Hyouka

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>>146514508
This anime had some of the most terrible writing I've ever seen.

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>>146514508
one of the nicest OTP

>>146514614
Are you the same whiner about Satoshi calling himself a database?

>>146514661
Are you saying that isn't also an example of piss poor writing and lazy characterization in this garbage series?

>>146514712
Why is it an example of piss poor writing and lazy characterization?

>>146514614
You don't know shit about writing.
That, or you have only watched a dozen of shows to call this one the worst you've watch.

>>146514647
>>146514508
Why is Oreki such a slut?

>>146514769
Because his character is just a tool created for Oreki's convenience.

Also the whole "I'm a database but I can't analyze it!" shtick is even worse and even more unrealistic.

>>146514841
>Because his character is just a tool created for Oreki's convenience.
How so?

>Also the whole "I'm a database but I can't analyze it!" shtick is even worse and even more unrealistic.
How so?

>>146514891
>How so?
Because it's a mystery series.

Not even going to explain the second one you giant retard.

>>146514841
Have you ever read any mistery novel?

>>146514947
>Because it's a mystery series.
Have you ever read a mystery novel? Holmes for example is knowledgeable in a huge number of topics from biology to chemistry and anatomy. In fact, if you were to combine all main characters in Hyouka you'd pretty much end up with a proto-Holmes character, but having such a skillful and knowledgeable teenager character would be unrealistic, wouldn't it?

>>146514841
That aspect about Satoshi's character was mainly introduced to show how Satoshi and Oreki depend on eachother. Oreki doesn't have the database but can easily break down what he does know. Thus, in order for Oreki to solve issues he needs to be fed the information, something Satoshi has in surplus. Satoshi has the database but cannot investigate further. In order to solve an issue, he needs to use his database as input or Oreki's output. It's a symbiotic relationship which serves as the basis for their relationship. He isn't just a tool, they're both fucking tools and need eachother. Wasn't that one of the core themes of the entire Cultural Festival?

>>146515050
Sherlock holmes books are lazy bottom of the barrel writing that appealed to idiots who would repeatedly eat up the same story over and over again. No better than nancy drew or the hardy boys. The only difference is the demographic.

Now go read some real literature that isn't offensive to anyone with an IQ above 60.

Did Hyouka ever have a storyline? I watched a few eps and it's quite pretty and pretty much just watching for the one girls eyes. Dialogue wasn't too bad.

But with every mystery show ever... it's just banal. So, why did you watch Hyouka may I ask anyone who finished it?

Was it just /comfy/ and /cozy/ at the time like Mushishi? Or was there something genuinely interesting. Characters were good? Because mystery is always kinda lame because genius char just makes some shit up that no one could think of that's unrealistic.

>>146515207
I can smell the asshurt from here.

>>146515221
>So, why did you watch Hyouka may I ask anyone who finished it?
Pseudointellectuals were tricked into thinking it was a masterpiece because of the flashy backgrounds and nice art which could not save any of the characters from being one dimensional cardboard cutouts that could cure even the greatest case of insomnia.

Am I the only one who didn't understood the key item finding event? Oreki somehow found out who the culprit was, but the induction, deduction and what the fuck ever he did with his logic just didn't made sense to me.
I thought about it for like 30 minutes but got nothing

>>146515221
>Did Hyouka ever have a storyline?
It had various storylines told in episodic format but all encapsulated into a main theme of Oreki's subtle character growth through the series. You need to pay more attention my man.

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>>146515349
You mean the school festival arc? Yeah that arc was the most confusing. I need to rewatch it but I think the purpose of being so confusing was to make you feel like Satoshi.

>>146515221
The fact that it takes place in a high school makes all the mysteries grounded in reality, and they lay out Oreki's thought process to the point one couldn't argue that it doesn't make sense.

Not to mention it's KyoAni's visual masterpiece, but various scenes from the show speak for themselves for that.

What made it interesting for me, speaking very broadly, was how every arc/story went out of its way to explore more aspects of Oreki and the other characters, letting you in on their perspectives, for it to finally come full circle by the end of the show. That final moment in the last episode still remains one of the greatest things I have ever seen.

If Oreki was the analyzer/Holmes, Chitanda was the motivator, and Satoshi was the database, what was Mayaka? The audience/Watson?

>>146515238

I'm not that into mystery, but like they point out in the anime, there are "rules" that are followed in the mystery genre. Sherlock Holmes doesn't follow these rules, and are sort of out of the game. Agatha Christie is a better example of a mystery writer.

I've never read much mystery, and I didn't even after watching this show. But it seems like a fun genre. Though it seems awfully "locked" if you have to abide by those laws.

>>146516801
http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/vandine.htm

>>146516476
The little bitch who thought she was tough shit

>>146514647
She was fucking annoying.

>>146515528
Why do you guys love to abuse the word "masterpiece"

For real I always thought ya boy Oreki was a good looking dude, no homo.

>>146517779
This piece of work happens to be masterful.

>>146514614
I liked this show a lot, but the exposition at the beginning of the first episode almost made me drop it.

>>146514508
I go between loving this show and disliking it almost daily.

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>>146515752

Hyouka along with Nichijou are plebeian filters.

>>146514647
>hairpin
Is that Nibutani?

>>146516476
Mayaka would be the presumption of many various probable causes.
Oreki would be the deduction towards a single definite cause.

>>146514508
Never seen it, but it's on my backlog.
Downloading now. What am I in for?

I stopped watching this because the protag is such a fag I couldn't take it "muh energy." fuck off

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>>146523305
Oh, not another one.
Should I not bother?

Dropped it the first time I watched it. First episode is kind of bad. But then I tried watching it again and absolutely fucking loved it. Rewatched it like 4 times since then.

>>146523356
I liked everything other then the protagonist, his attitude was just so shitty

>>146523466
Yes, and then he slowly changes. It's called character development. Is this your first anime?

I'll give it a shot.

>>146523489
>not wanting to slog through a faggot mc constantly "justifying" being lazy to possibly like it later makes me new

Maybe if he didn't have a monologue about energy every five fucking minutes

>>146523560
not him but all admit the energy thing was rather retarded

>>146523933
>all admit
fuck me

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>>146516476
The best girl.

I wish I had a Chitanda in my life.

>>146515079
Wow, those sounds just like real people, and definitely not convenient tools for easy storytelling.

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Eru is great

>>146515221
It wasn't a mystery show for one, it was a SoL with insignificant daily mysteries added in.

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I still can't believe how perfect her design is, Just beautiful honestly.

KyoAni has rarely done great characters, but I think the faggot friend might be the worst of the lot.

>I won't go out with the girl I like because I might start caring about her too much, so instead I'll just shit on her face in an obvious cry for attention. Look how much I care about her, see, I made her cry. I'm so gallant.
Mayaka doesn't deserve that little shitheaded fuck.

>>146514508
wow this thread is going so go- zzzzzzzzzzz

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Reminder that All the volumes have been translated:
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/?title=Hyouka


Author just released a 2 part short story this 1st quarter.
He also released another short story this August and will release another one in September.
Vol6 is gonna be released this year.
Hyouka Live action too.

Lots of action this year.

>>146525060
Just tell me if Oreki and Chitanda fuck so I can read it.

Also, tell me if Mayaka and the beta faggot fuck, so I can drop it.

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>>146525060
Oh boy

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I had to drop this shit after 8 episodes because it was boring as fuck and kept making me fall asleep, which sucks because I really liked some of the art.

>>146525115
>Just tell me if Oreki and Chitanda fuck so I can read it.

No fucking but you finally have Oreki getting off his lazy butt and actively chasing over a long distance Chitanda because she went emo.

>Also, tell me if Mayaka and the beta faggot fuck, so I can drop it.

They do

Hyouka and K-On are the two KyoAni shows I have difficulty finishing. I don't hate them though.

Zzz

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Just watched the first ep.
I think I can get into this.

The ED is a little lewd.

>>146525336
I'm so sorry that you're an ADHD ridden cretin, Anon.

>>146515207
Holy fedora

>>146525259
Wtf, is there a fucking strobe light within their vicinity?

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>>146525927
Not my fault the story is absolutely shit, anon. If you actually thought this was worth watching all the way through then it's too late to save you.

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>>146525519
>Chitanda because she went emo
>They do
I'm not going to enjoy this.

Do people really dislike Satoshi as a character? Are they really so retarded that they can't understand his motivations which are said out loud? He's an idiot but he's probably the more human and well written of the cast. Do you people also think that Tomoko from Watamote is a bad character because she fails to communicate and is often hypocritical? It's not like the stories are painting them as good people. Or is it just bait that I bit?

I actually prefer slice-of-life mysteries like Hyouka than your usual murder mystery care of Conan or Kindaichi. The fact that so many people were killed for the sake of the story is just immersion-breaking.

>>146526147
>he's a hypocritical idiot but p-please like him
No.

>>146526147
I've only seen one episode, but I found him quite a wise young man under the goofball exterior.
He cut through Hotaro's BS at the end there.

>>146526147
The cast in general is well written.

>>146526287
He was wise enough to steal and break the chocolate his girlfriend made for him, because he didn't want to hurt her feelings by making her happy.

I guess "don't be a retarded cunt" isn't in his database.

>but he has an obsessive personality, even though the fucking episode explained that he's grown out of it already
Now watch someone try to defend this shit.

>>146526401
I haven't gotten that far yet.

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>>146515144
This was so lewd, my lord. Time to rewatch.

What's your favorite episode?

>>146526809
Valentine's probably but all of the post festival episodes are very nice as you get to see the subtle and not so subtle changes in everyone's personalities, especially Oreki and Satoshi.

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>tfw cant smoke peacefully

>>146526809
I found the start to be meh, really kicked into gear with the festival episodes though, I think it's one of the few anime where the final episode is the peak.

>>146527113
At first I thought he is hiding some porn in the safe.

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Would you?

Can a kind anon quickly explain the manga lab drama arc? I still dont quite understand why Maya was going through such SUFFERING. Why was everyone such a prick to her? The whole arc felt off compared to the rest of the show.

>>146526235
>teenagers discussing why their teacher was mad like it was something important
>not immersion breaking

>>146527236
Because Mayaka is a boy!

>>146527306
Wait really? Was it meant to show how she has trouble connecting with girls because she's a tomboy? Ehhh, weakest arc for me but I get it.

>>146527236
Is the lab drama manga only?

>>146527236
At the start, her Senpai refused to believe that some manga are just plain better than others, which Mayaka refused to believe after reading "A Corpse by the Evening", which according to the story is super good for a school festival doujin.

Then there's the part where her clothes get drenched in dirty water, which was just a club member trying to screw up her drawing which ends up going wrong.

Last one is the whole conversation she has with the bitter senpai who refuses to read "A Corpse by the Evening" so she doesn't have to acknowledge that her best friend who never particularly cared for manga to out of the blue come up with a masterpiece, just like Satoshi getting depressed after trying really hard to catch the thief, only to get outdone by Oreki, who never lifted his ass the whole festival. Mayaka gets sad over this huge gap in skill because she herself compared her own manga to her Senpai's, and thought it was way better than hers.

It's easier to understand if you rewatch to tell the truth, as you can easily forget who is who with the whole festival thing constantly going on.

tl;dr: Mayaka gets angry and sad because her senpai justifies shit taste in manga with
>opinions

>>146526809
The entire festival arc was god-tier in direction and atmosphere.

>>146526809
First arc best arc.

As for favorite episode probably the trip episode or the pool bonus episode.

>>146527601
Its all coming back to me now, arigato anon, I think I will go back and rewatch. I forgot about the senpai not wanting to admit someone who didn't obsess over manga couldn't possibly write something so good. Actually, the fact that Maya tries to force her to read it makes so much more sense now. I can appreciate her motivations of not letting someone just hide behind "everything is equal in art ;)" Based Maya.

Season 2 never

>>146514614
Nice bait.

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>>146514508
I enjoyed it / 10. Objectively Kyoani's prettiest show to date. The ending left me feeling cheated though.

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>>146527601
Oh this I remember. I thought they had some sort of manga original with some laboratory shit.

>>146527836
Isn't there a live action movie and the author is writing again?
Takemoto wants to fuck Oreki so at least there's still a small chance of a S2 or movie.

>>146527929
I want Empress to make my penis go missing.

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All the girls are fantastic, even the background ones.

>>146526809
>>146527708
This. I thought the whole Hyouka-origin would just be an overarching story taking the backseat having an episodic mystery-solving as the main theme. Glad they resolved that right off the bat.

>>146528839
>ywn be goaded by curious little angels to do her bidding
Why even live?

>>146514508
it was nice, wish his imagination in the end was the true ending.

They should have gotten married

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Played like a fiddle, always.

>>146529259
kek

forced animation

>>146529371
forced buzzwords

>>146515144
Fluffiest, softest ED ever.

>>146529371
Forcefully dropped on your head.

>>146529371
nice forced post

>>146524214
But characters in a story are quite literally tools for telling that story.

>>146528899
love it

>>146528899
I loved seeing it hie home how much he really liked her, That rosey filter was perfect too. It really showed that end Oreki is something of a different person when compared to ep1 Oreki.

>>146529659
Lord Liu Bei was in a bad mood anon.

>>146522294
In that people who don't like them have pleb taste, right?

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What happens on the way back to the music festival?

>>146535796
They fuck

>>146529562
Second ED was better

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>>146514508
Let's have a Hyouka...Zzzz

>>146527187
We must have had very different school experiences.
I thought he was cooking meth.

>>146536443
>hyouka is so boring it even puts the characters to sleep
Can't they just fire Takemoto already? Nigger is ruining the studio.

>>146515221
Hyouka isn't a mystery show primarily, and if you want a mystery show, Hyouka will dissapoint you because the mysteries shown and solved are so mundane. It's actually hard to say what it is about, but to me it is about a certain set of people, the Classics Club, who they are and how they evolve. Most importantly it is a show about how life is mundane and getting to love mundanity of life. To me it is completely different from any other anime, because it's the opposite of the usual escapism in anime shows, it is about completely confronting how life is or how it usually is, and finding peace in that. It's the zen meditation of anime, it's concentration and calmness at the same time, and that's why to me it's NOT like Mushishi. Also unlike Mushishi, Hyouka is not episodic, the "plot" revolves around the evolution of the characters

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>>146536443
Chitanda is so beautiful in this scene.

>>146537500
Don't preach like you have the absolute truth in the matter. I liked Hyouka's mysteries way more than the characters.

>>146523560
>>146523305
Good that we're talking about a highschooler here so we all can find it reasonable for him to be lazy and slightly edgy, right? Good that we all know that most teenagers aren't cool and mature and have certain childish issues. Good that we know that Hyouka is about overcoming those issues, right?

>>146526809
Actually the Ogi short story

>>146537624
You're right, it's just that that's what makes it unique to me at least and why it's one of my favorite animes

>>146516801
>Though it seems awfully "locked" if you have to abide by those laws
Why have I been seeing so many people on /a/ get hung up on Knox's Rules/Van Dine's rules/etc lately? They've always been treated as a rough set of guidelines, and are more often than not twisted within mystery stories (which is fine provided that there is internal consistency and logic, all thes Rulesets amount to is basically "don't resort to asspulls").

Knox's Rules and the like exist at all only because at the time (early 20th century), the genre was at the peak of popularity and there needed to be some sort of base standard to be followed (and mystery novels were seen as "games" at the time)

>Sherlock Holmes doesn't follow these rules, and are sort of out of the game. Agatha Christie is a better example of a mystery writer.
Christie often deviated from these rules more than Conan Doyle ever did, I think

Hell, Hyouka itself namedrops Van Dine's rules while deviating from one of it's main points, that the crime in question has to be something huge like murder in order to justify and maintain the audience's interest.

>>146514508
Really liked the show i wish it was longer the only bad part in my opinion is how sometimes it felt poorly directed here and there but overall a really good show.

>>146525060
Volume 5 is one of the most disappointing things in recent years for me.

>>146514841
I thought that was meant to represent how satoshi was a pretty normal guy intellectually (most people remember better than they solve)

sure he did well in the trivia contest but that probably wouldn't be difficult to win with a little study

>>146515473
the school festival arc was damn impossible to solve unless you knew japanese

>>146523365
same,
i feel its a show that probably gets better once you understand the full story, Im a sucker for mystery so I was in pretty quick

>>146526809
mystery movie arc, dont know which episode was the last part of it

>>146529523
the straw millionaire part was great

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>>146527601
Oh man, I can't believe how over your head everything went. They bullied Mayaka because they knew she had a short temper and they wanted to use the catfight to advertise the club and get more people to come. Look at this webm, Smugi is bullying Mayaka and as soon as Mayaka gives in and stands up, the club president runs off with a poster in hand, trying to be subtle and nonchalant.

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Is life on easy mode if you have a talent?

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If I didn't solve anything besides the chocolate episode, does that mean I'm stupid?

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>>146539734
and later in the same episode we see this paper posted outside of the manga club

>>146539735
Some talents more than others, and it eventually disappears if you don't keep cultivating it.

>>146539738
I never took Hyouka as the kind of show that gives the audience a chance to solve the problem.

>>146526809
Most of them, I like Chitanda a lot.

so much of this was boring shit i did not care about

>>146515207
That's an edgy opinion you have there. I'd bet you also love berserk and NGE because those character are so "real"

>>146525060
>He also released another short story this August and will release another one in September.
The time has come, and so have I.

>>146539931
Most of them always threw a curve ball at the end but they provided pretty much all the info needed for one to solve them by themselves, but they mislead you most of the time which made it harder.

>>146524016
Best KyoAni design that's for sure.

For those who have yet to read the newest short story, here.
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Hyouka:Short_Story_4

Though I'm told I now have wings....

>>146543371
According to >>146525060 there was one released this month?

>>146543620
This is the most new story that's been translated. That I'm aware of, at least.

>>146543371
Doubt it progresses the story but better than nothing I suppose.

>>146514661
Looks like you hit the nail on the head.

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>>146539734
Oh, you're right, that segment went over my head, and it turns out the president was in on it. So it's a plan to get Mayaka to riled up over an
>opinions
debate in order to bring people to bring people to their stall, and turns out the president of the manga club is a cold-hearted bitch.

I'll keep my position that a lot of the suffering also comes from the later segment with the whole talent thing though.

>>146514947
>Because it's a mystery series.
If you're going to pretend you know anything about mystery writing, try reading a mystery novel first.

>>146539734
>>146539793
Holy fucking shit I need to rewatch this

The animation quality in the last scene in episode 22 is at least on par with what you see in movies. Fucking gorgeous

>>146539793
>sexless being

RUDE

>>146545119
The entirety of the show is better directed and animated than most movies.

What the fuck ever happened to her uncle?
>went missing in India
>Oreki's sister just came back from India
That was one mystery I would have liked to see solved.

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>>146546172
What if her uncle is future Oreki

>>146546260
but he was also in the past

>>146546172
People go missing in third world shitholes all the time.

>>146515144
I love the bounce when they turn over

When will the author make a spinoff with Oreki's sister and her adventures as a psychic?

>>146547175
Oreki's sister is too OP and too cute so never

>>146546979
But it's mysterious!
I'm curious!

Chitanda's mysterious vacation to Mexico!

>>146547249
I don't think there's any mystery about what happened during her vacation!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfuWtQBAm28

>ED2 > ED1

Should I read mystery novels?

>>146547382
OP1 > OP2
ED2 > ED1

>>146547534
What do you mean? In general? I like the Agatha Christie novels, I'd recommend starting with "The Mysterious Affair at Styles", then go for either "The ABC Murders" or "Murder on the Orient Express", saving "The Murder of Roger Ackroyd" and "And Then There Were None" for last. Enjoy being humiliated by Christie's ruses.

Sherlock Holmes books can feel a bit dated and Christie is still entertaining to this day.

>>146547696
>And there there were none
I sometimes wish I'd never read that just so I could read it again without knowing anything

>>146547696
Okay, I'll give them a shot.

>>146547696
good choices

>>146526055

no, they are curious

>>146547249
Stop it

>>146525060
>Hyouka Live action too.
S-source?

>>146525060
Holy shit, thanks man.

>>146549598
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-04-06/live-action-hyouka-mystery-film-casting-call-posted-by-city/.100720

>>146529259
Would have been better with a beat panel between the last two

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The first OP is one of my favorite OP of all time.

>>146549598
Why would you care? Takemoto directed the shit out of Hyouka, nothing live action is going to touch that.

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Can we post some more Oreki or Chitanda wallpapers? I have 2 monitors now so I need both.

Also, to contribute the conversation, I'm actually really not looking forward to the live action version. I generally don't think live action actors add anything to the source (well, second-source) material with slice of life shows. It would have to have the care to package Oreki correctly, and maybe just the realization that the show is about his growth and not just is obvious interest in Chitanda. Maybe my opinion of typical Jdramas is overcrowding my expectations. Maybe also because Oreki is such a qt.

The latest short story for the light novels was enjoyable, maybe more so than the drawn out Volume 5, and I'm interested in seeing how Chitanda grows from it. I like that she no longer has a solid plan to go towards.