why japs likes isekai so much?

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>>146438929

why the western faggots likes medieval fantasy and sci fi so much?

are their taste so shit?

>>146438929
Why is /a/ so full of brainless faggots that can't write a single sentence properly?

Am I the only one that thinks it's still better than the high school SoL that was the anime meta a couple of years back?

>>146439029
>anime meta
Jesus christ.

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"Isekai" is just a plot motivator/device.

Enables the author to have a character that is modern and relatable (or at least understandable) while dropping whatever other setting they want.

In and of itself, it's not a genre.

>>146439066
What else do you call it? Flavor of the decade?

nips only know how to copy from western works like harry potter and John Carter of Mars

I'm actually pretty alright with series where MC is magick'd to another world after death and/or he does not care/want to go back

>>146439125
Something that wouldn't make it obvious that you're a fucking crossboarder. Not that it mattters anymore considering the state of /a/ nowadays.

>>146439161
>no Harry Potter like anime

Only one which comes close to it is that Magi arc where Aladdin goes to magic school

>>146439068
It also gives the character a lazy reason to become super powerful very easy.

>Hurr I'm an otaku and skills in this world are just like muh vidya gaems

>Hurr I have a Middle School level of scientific knowledge, I can make OP technology

Have to make the character relatable enough that the hikki reader feels like they could be a worldbeater too, or else it wouldn't be escapism.

>>146439235
>Something that wouldn't make it obvious that you're a fucking crossboarder.
Like, fucking what? Teach me proper /a/ terminology, master.

>>146439257
>Hurr I have a Middle School level of scientific knowledge, I can make OP technology
But middle school scientific knowledge would be OP as fuck in medieval era settings

>>146438929
Because reality is awful.

>>146438929
This would be pretty good if the MC keeped staying low and being a jew instead of abusing his broken snowflake OP bullshit.
I don't know about the LN but that part where these slave girls got panicked and begged the MC to not abandon them in the mango was pretty nice.

>>146439257
Well, sure. As far as world-setting go, it very easily paves the way to some OP growth or instant power acquisition shenanigans. That's half the point, usually. If Twain could do it, everybody can.

It being [easy] mean every shitty author can have a go at it. The total number of good authors who have a go stays the same I think or even lowers compared to other popular settings.

For example, I do like Death March while I hate almost everything else. Not to say DM doesn't have shit in it. It's mostly lighthearted somehow.

>>146439288
Now I'm no >>146439235
, but this behavior reeks of new faggotry too.

>>146439362
Not saying certain applications wouldn't be, merely that it's a lazy and relatable way to make the MC super powerful very easily. Then the genre is predicated on the Isekai premise for the character to have the knowledge and it doesn't merely establish some of his character traits and sensibilities- it is the basis for his fighting style, his abilities, his equipment, etc.

>>146439377
>3100 SPs all invested in Jewing skills
I'd read it

Tama and Pochi are healing.

>>146439007
>Posting QUALITY FUJOSHI anime

>>146439029
What the fuck is an "anime meta"?

>>146439027
What did you expect from retards trying to force another metashitposting general.

>>146439428
>hating /a/ for becoming a place full of normalfags is newfaggotry

>>146439027
This. I'm almost convinced OP and this guy >>146435706, and a lot of the threads with similar OP posts recently are the same person; /a/ can't be this full of illiterate people.

>>146439586
fuck off, Liza is the way to go

Release that Witch is actually pretty good isekai

>>146439655
>"Like, fucking what? Teach me proper /a/ terminology, master"
>hating /a/ for becoming a place full of normalfags
kys normalfag.

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>>146439029
>the anime meta

>>146439716
well, majority of 4chan are americans

>>146439257
>It also gives the character a lazy reason to become super powerful very easy.
>>Hurr I'm an otaku and skills in this world are just like muh vidya gaems
>>Hurr I have a Middle School level of scientific knowledge, I can make OP technology
>Have to make the character relatable enough that the hikki reader feels like they could be a worldbeater too, or else it wouldn't be escapism.

I'm fucking surprised there isn't an otome version of that

Have some female MC become powerful while her male companions wanting her V

>>146439885
Liza is nice, but she isn't as healing as them.

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>>146440274
>I'm fucking surprised there isn't an otome version of that

There's plenty.

Pic unrelated, she's just a dumb book autist.

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Korean Isekai is better,
Phsyco MC, ice queen waifu, necropilliac loli,
loli that needs to be kneaded.

>I understood her deeply, but I was unable to fathom the very bottom.
>Barbatos was merely a diligent bitch, an insensitive bitch, and an insane bitch.
> And even to Barbatos, I was merely a lazy bastard, a keen bastard, and a psychotic bastard.
> Since an insane bitch and a psychotic bastard had met, then they should be able to get along fine for the moment.

Dungeon Defense, why are you soo good

>>146440274
Except Fushigi Yuugi was literally my first exposure to Isekai if you don't count Doraemon.

so "one peace books" released official english translation of shield hero 1-5 LN, torrent where?

>>146440749
le edge

>>146438929
It's an easy self insert escape from the mundane life that most Nips have. Life after High school and college pretty much sucks if you are a business man which is pretty much most people.

>>146440749
Im probably just a retard but does lala love him or not, why did her affection suddenly spike up when it did.

>>146440749
>no dungeon
>no defense

Garbage.

>>146442753

MC and Lala do legitimately love each other, but they love the pursuit of authority more than their love.

Both MC and Lala prioritize their pursuit of authority over the world first and their love for each other second.

Once he realizes that and confirms it with Lala, in addition to apologizing for the mistake he caused by trying to take revenge in her stead with her Mom, they made up.

>>146439125
Genre massproduction you fucking idiot

>>146439377
Which one is this one? Tried to google this but all I get is Manga wiki link and a link to mangastream.

There was an article that actually went into this in detail. Basically, Japan's society causes the hardworking to suffer, while those born into money or having certain privileges ("cheats", if you will) breeze through society.

Entering an RPG-like world is easiest to write a self-insert fantasy, therefore, because you can add cheats that are believable.

>>146444240

Get ready for a snooze fest since nothing can hurt or kill MC or harem/children (Pochi, Tama, Liza).

It's also part cooking novel simply for the fact that a considerable amount of chapters involve him cooking or trying to recreate food from his world.

http://www.sousetsuka.com/

>>146444240
Death march manga.I dont think you will like it.
>>146444562
Stop mentioning that article made by a retard

>>146444639
I thought that part of the article made sense, I don't know if its actually true about their culture but it seems that way. I know chinese are obsessed with status and authority and its the only way to get ahead or be important to them, I guess its the same.
Its the same reason why Satou in Death March just turns 15 again for no reason and starts with a super strong skill.

is there an easier way to go to isekai than killing yourself?

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>>146442239
the FUN kind of Edge

>“Do whatever you guys want. Why are you asking me about your life and death? If you’re going to live then live, if you’re going to die then die.”

>nodded. The language spoken by the humans and the language spoken by Barbatos were different, so I had to stand as an intermediate to interpret. The only person proficient at the human language while also being a Demon Lord was myself.

>“She says to die obediently.”
--------------------------------------

>“They said your words are too damn vague, and want you to break it down for them so they can understand easier.”

>“Iyaa, what an abundance of bullshit. If they live then that’s their life, and if they croak then that’s their death. Why should I care?”

>I nodded my head.
>I then translated her words exactly to the prisoners.

>“This lady here said that you guys are quite full of shit.”

>If Barbatos asked.

>“Is the provisioning situation in the empire decent?”

>I would translate it as.

>“She asked what you guys ate on average for all of your mugs to look so dirty like bums.”

>>146446568
I dunno its corean I'm not sure about this

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>>146446714
It's 100% Korean, I don't know why it sounds so much more natural and fun compared to Japanese.
Probably because the Translator has excellent English

>“However, I had tried to murder that old woman as if it was the most obvious thing in the world. If Lapis had not stopped me, then that old lady’s insides would have been torn apart. What was the reason. Why did I try to carry out an act that wouldn’t benefit me politically? There is only one answer. It is because I love Lapis Lazuli……”

“……Wait a second.”

>Barbatos frowned.

>“Stop getting excited on your own and wait a second. What, love? You tried to kill that kid’s mother because of love? Dantalian. Did my ears hear this properly?”

.“You heard correctly. It seems you have a great sense of hearing.”

>“Fuck. How is that love?”

>>146446309
Only if you wait for your death or be conveniently teleported+ your whole family/classroom

>>146448233
bangs shield

>>146438929

The whole thing is a result of being in a recession for almost 30 years. Because every thing that's made in the industry has to sell and make profit, there's no one trying to be avantgarde and try anything new. They just rehash all the known stuff because they know people liked something similar and that this is hyped and is going to sell. Isekais been popular for years now, and they're not going to move from it until they have milked the cow dry.

tl;dr blame recesssion

>>146448274
Speaking of shields, the author of shieldbro did a small story that somehow shares a universe with it.

It's called "in a world without life" if you're looking for it on novelupdates.

>>146448755
find me translated vol.5 of shield hero LN

>>146439716
He's commonly known as ESLfag, you newfag.

>>146448824
It's been uploaded to madokami a few days ago anon.

>>146439007
I'll say they're in to superhero stuff more than anything

the best isekai was angel beats

>>146449138
jesus, registration process is retarded

>>146450328
It is kinda a semi-secret club

>>146440749
Let me know when it becomes a manga or anime. I tend to get A.D.D when it comes to reading L.Ns.

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Light Novels already make me want to die and this Iseskai cancer spreading to anime only makes it worse.
What really pisses me off is when extremely convoluted RPG systems are part of the world with no rhyme or reason behind it beyond laziness.

Main Character only becomes overpowered because he exploits the system or gets preferential treatment because he's a special snowflake otaku/neet. We know this antagnoist is strong not because of his actions but because his stats are in the 100s of thousands with over one million skills. shit like that.

>>146453065
reeeee:zero?

>>146439237
>little witch academia
literally anime harry potter.

>>146440749
korean shit is full of NTR so nope

>>146439237
>no Harry Potter like anime

It's more like Zero no Tsukaima was influenced by Harry Potter (not solely, but the influence is there) and then a long run of magic school battle harems were influenced by ZnK.

>>146438929
Because they played vidya when they were younger more than they related to one another in person. So it's a genre that relates strongly to their childhood/teenagerhood and its fantasies.

>>146439029
fuck off

>>146447203
>It's 100% Korean, I don't know why it sounds so much more natural and fun compared to Japanese.Probably because the Translator has excellent English
Yes and because 99% of the people who 'translate' narou WNs just use MTL. But the worst part is that most of them barely even speak English.

Sure, there are shit tons of narou WNs where the writing is shit but most of that is also thanks to those butchered translations and how stale it reads.

Is Drifters isekai?

>>146440749
>Dungeon Defense, why are you soo good
>>146442239
>le edge

It's the Magnificent Bastard style of evil, which is what makes it good.
Compared to every other Korean story I've tried, where they're just generically greedy or generically backstabby.
That, and it's not just MC bastarding magnificently, it's a bunch of the other characters too.

Maybe it's because this is the author's third attempt, and he actually learned from the first two?

>>146439237
>>146455595

Mother of Learning and Warlock of the Magus World are the only real type of Western Harry Potter novels I can think of.

They both feature a potter like magic system, or as close as it gets with liberties, mind you.

>>146448728
I'd say it's not purely isekai at fault here; it's the trend of adding a bunch of shortcuts on top of it, which makes it a lot easier to write webnovels. It's far too easy to lean on the canned scenario crutches of "summoned hero automatically gets hax" in place of character development, or "it works because game mechanics" in place of world building.

Combined with webnovels having been accepted by Japanese publishers as a new place to mine for content, thus plugging it into the light novel / manga / anime process. Basically a shitload of people are writing these for free, and turning the most popular ones into physically published versions is really cheap compared to starting a new manga or a new anime, so there's minimal risk to the publishers.

I hesitate to ever blame escapism, since escapism has been a running thing for a much longer time, and not just in Japan.

>>146455938
Yeah. When I invoke ZnK as Potter-influenced, I don't mean to say it's something really deep. It's just surface elements. Wands, caster supremacy, pets, magic school, fantasy pseudo-Europe.

Basically the same iterative copying that goes on in general for East Asian media and Japan in particular. Something new is suddenly popular? A big wave of new things will riff on it for the next ten years.

>>146456257

You have to draw a lot for manga and that shit is crazy as we all know, anime original series are a shot in dark as to whether they succeed or not.

Any publishing company only has to go to Narou and see the highest ranking story and boom, you're done.

Hire a popular artist to create the characters and draw the art and you have it made.

Not selling enough? 12 episode advertisement coming your way, go big like Re:Zero and do 2 cours because fuck you it's popular and the dosh rolls in.

>>146456735
Yep. You don't need a giant staff to monetize a webnovel. Just an editor and an artist, and those two can be working on lots of series per year. With costs that low, there's not much risk. If it has pretty girls on the cover, it'll probably sell the few thousand volumes it needs to at least break even, so even the failures are soft failures.

All of you faggots sould start reading dungeon hunter.

Its a Korean light novel about a demon that died and went back to the start of the demon games, in said games 72 dungeons (each for every demon) appear all of a sudden in the human world.

The MC is fucking mad at the 4 grand dukes and his goal is to take a fucking shit in every single one of the 71 demons.

Its pretty fucking great.

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>>146457205
are you talking about this one?

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Is this the Isekai thread? I might as well ask this here, then.

Why did the author pretty much make a whole chapter about how "Humans" can have children with all sorts of things when time and time again, they mention that Makoto is a "hyuman" raised as a "human"?

It makes no sense, unless he's adopted or something like that.

>>146457205
>19 chapters translated
fuck off

>>146440749
This writing style change has got me kinda worried.

>>146439377
Most people don't want to see nothing happening for 400 chapters straight, if people are okay with Saitama being A-rank they sure as hell can't cry about Satou being a viscount.

>>146449138
Now for the bonus challenge: Find me more translations for Spear Hero.

>>146460042
no one translating that garbage

>>146438929
This has to be one of the few LNs where the LN is inferior to the WN. You can tell all the drastic changes like the first book was half baked aside from introducing the divine sword much earlier and in exchange ruins a multitude of facets from the WN and just ignoring all the loose ends.

And yet since the author changes so many things so drastically you can't help but wonder what else is in store since it's practically like a retelling kinda like all those adaptations of Romance of Three Kingdoms. I wonder if the author knew about that when making such changes.

>>146460460
That's a shame, there's far worse being translated out there.

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>>146438929
Did a new chapter come out for that? I want them to get to Karina already.

>>146460739
nope?

>>146458162
To make the reader understand how Makoto is a fucking super special snowfuckingflake, a hyuman that surpasses humans in a world where humans are demigods

>>146438929
>Popular Japanese escapism is fantasy worlds where the protagonist can be useful to those around him and where he can make life long bonds with a diverse vast of characters

>Poplular American escapism is zombie shit where the protagonist goes from burned out loser to a god among men while the world burns around them and serves as an outlet for edgy violent fantasies

Really makes you think

>>146461166
No it doesn't that's already reflected by how many times ESLfag makes these threads and keeps crying about the same shit while secretly trying to push his own edgy values.

Because japanese people all dream about leaving japan and still being relevant

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>>146438929
They can immerse into the settin quickly, just by saying a few words like "demon king" "demon continent" "adventurer guild" or "hero" they can already imagine a world without even need to be described because they already know it.

For authors its the same, make for them more easy imnerse the readers into their story.

ITs the same principle than remakes and sequels in western media, why they do those? Because it instantly creates a connection with the audience making easier catch their attention, japanese LN and WN are the same thing except instead of using old TV or movies to stablish that connection they use concepts from games.

>>146458162
Speaking of this series, wouldn't his sisters be insanely more strong than he is?

>>146461625
The two older sisters still have Bug's blessing from what I remember

>>146461979
Onee chan has, imouto never had it.
>>146461625
No, most of his power comes from his concentration and "fate twisting" powers, they could be stronger than the heroes though.

>>146456735
>>146457080

I wish I had the same oppurtunities in my country. I kind of want to write some novels, not exactly light novels but short novels for kids aged 16-19, but it really a hassle to do it here. Maybe I could try in English, but since I'm ESL the language gets so bad.

I haven't been writing since I finished high school over ten years ago, but I've thought of some ideas that would be fun.

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Needs more Nana and Karina.

>>146460739
Karina somehow manages to have weirder shaped breasts than Raita girls or even the HOTD ones. It's like deflated or something.

>>146462466
*and Pochi
FTFY

Because once a kid in japan hits the workforce their life becomes an actual hell. Escapism, perticularly escaping to another universe that is less shitty, is appealing to them.

>>146438929
Same reason /a/ loves anime so much.

>>146460042
>>146460460
Look for shameless translations, up to 430 translated. Then TLer disappeared

>>146462587
Maybe they are unsupported. Karina is suppose to have crazy huge breasts.

>>146462443

I couldn't tell you m8, I know Japan has Narou for webnovels. Korea has Naver's challenge league for webcomics, like Noblesse, Tower of God, etc.

From what I've read up on American/English start up writers (for fiction), just forming a wordpress and starting to write is enough. Should your work become a real hit you can just publish it yourself or most likely receive an offer from a publishing company.

>>146462950
I don't think using physics as an explanation works in Death March's world. Nana has a slightly smaller cup but all her illustrations have perfectly fine shape even when fully naked.

Also refer to >>146462466 the deflated shape still retains itself while she's in a full dress, no way does she lack a bra.

>>146463003
>wordpress

Maybe I'll try something like that. It doesn't have to be a hit, but it would be meaningless if no one reads it. I'm not that into writing masturbatory works, I don't think I could do it if others didn't read my work.

>>146462875
Yeah that's why I said more, as in I already knew there were some. The funny thing is I was totally okay with the MTL tier translations because I can see Motoyasu being that broken.

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>>146463104

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I'm fine with it, if anything i love the idea of different views on video game logic, having health bars etc. or the ability to memorize skills/magic like Ainz-sama

>>146463166
As for me i can only feel a sharp pain running through my lower parts

>>146464235
I don't think I'll ever understand that. Is it just the poor grammar or being spoiled about Raphtalia suffering? Either way, I still can't relate given how I always felt Shieldbro was incredibly lighthearted.

>>146463649
It's like the difference between people fine with playing single player rpgs that are casual difficulty versus people who can only have fun with achievements, multiplayer, and hard mode. Very rarely will they understand each other.

>>146463649
Oh, manga got updated.

>>146464334
Well some people say that it's revenge for making him change the wn end. Though if that was the case i guess he got better once he started working on the lns

>>146438929
Because they are cucks

>>146462466
Death March is the worst kind of garbage in the genre.

>>146464607
How does that magically make it unbearable? I don't get it. Would you not feel pain if you didn't follow /a/ and simply read the gaiden? Or are you trying to imply that spear hero is all about being bitter?

Cause like I said, I don't get how you guys can think of spear hero as anything but a comedy. Whether it's Raphtalia dying or the 'NTR' it's all done clearly as a joke with no lasting implications since we already know the ending which is Raphtalia goes back and lives happily ever after with Naofumi, and Motoyasu goes back having won no girls nor Firo and simply lives the rest of his life with a bunch of random birds.

I mean I can't read raws, so I can only take interpret the spoilers so much, but every time someone posts something they cringe at, it's always followed by how it's a joke or doesn't matter in the end, so what's the big deal?

>>146465101
What does that make people like you who purposely sift through garbage just to tell others it's garbage? Are you that guy on the designated shitting street that constantly yells at people about their poo being smelly despite choosing to go on that street yourself?

>>146439452
Are there any stories where the MC's future knowledge isn't all that useful at first, and he has to actually study the world and figure out how it works before he can even start to use his modern education to think of ways to improve things?

The japanese society is literally No Fun Allowed: The Society

This nigger is so fucking broken he puts Rou from Re:Monster to shame.
Like, there is literally 0 conflict in this series because this guy is so utterly OP that there is no fucking way he could even be defeated.

Aze-san is best girl.

>>146465105
I'm not sure either how does that make it unbearable for some, maybe it rapes their headcanons and AUs because it explores those same AUs and gives you pretty much what would happen exactly?

I enjoy spear hero for what it is, a "fuck you" to the fans with tons of what ifs, plot, backstory and LORE sprinkled on it.

>>146465438
Thank god for 3 free meteor casts

When will Liza get the D?

>>146439362
>But middle school scientific knowledge would be OP as fuck in medieval era settings

no it wouldn't. half the things japanese mc pretends werent invented in mideval times actually was there, and the other half of the shit he makes wouldnt work the way he makes it without magic carrying him like a crutch.

just look at all the super amazing foods the mc introduces in these stories. He makes shit from 'scratch' using what he believes are the base ingredients by looking at the back of a box in his kitchen. Like "LOL PANCAKIE DESU" NO BODY HAS EVER BAKED BREAD IN A PAN, SIMPLY SUGOI MC-SAMA!" SUGOI SUGOI, FRYING FOODS IN OIL TOTALLY ORIGINAL IDEA DO NOT STEAL.

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>>146465670
Soon. She says that the only person to marry her is someone stronger than she is. And the only person that is that much stronger is Satou.

>>146465670
No, Pochi did.

>>146440346
this shit is hilarious

>my op reincarnation power is that i'm literate in a world of illiterates, and i know how important it is to bathe!

>>146465351
magi's grandson isn't future knowledge its the common sense of our world is really useful when applied to magic but he doesn't know what their common sense is
>>146465183
I didn't understand at first why people would come to an anime board and complain about shows all day but then I realized its just a social outlet for them so they're just excited to talk about their japanese amateur fanfiction with other anons.
Pretty much the only reason these threads exist, I didn't see a single one before Overlord got popular.

>>146465351
Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality? I remember it starts out with Harry having his autism trigger over every little thing magic can do, but eventually he starts figuring out rules and workarounds.

>>146465351
Invincible Saint is kinda like that. You can still find stuff to bitch about if you wanna be anal, but the MC earns his power kinda like Rudeus does in MT, except he wasn't born with massive mana. His sole advantage is receiving 1 extra skill point per level up, which means jack shit because for 4-5 straight volumes he doesn't even go past level 1 and he's already 'invincible' by then, let alone the fact that you can learn skills without skill points just by performing them manually. His biggest advantage is mainly his paranoia and being a masochist, neither of which have anything to do with modern knowledge.

>>146461625
It's revealed later but his power comes from his ability to meditate and reach enlightenment. In 'our' universe, this means to reach a blank state of mind and be reborn figuratively, but in their universe it means to commit suicide of self and be literally reborn. The problem is, when a creature is born in their world, the universe grants it power based on its fate. So every time he plays out the act of being reborn, he is given more and more power by the universe.

>>146465549
Is it really a fuck you? Maybe it's cause I don't self insert into Naofumi nor have a tendency to cheer for any character in shipping or whatever. I just enjoy the humor. Naofumi in Spear Hero is adorably naive as well, I've always wondered how Raphtalia would react to such a Naofumi.

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Why don't you like isekai, OP? The best anime are isekai.

>>146465764
>implying Heiron won't be in the running

There's actually plenty who can fit the bill, they just all happen to be Satou's friends.

>>146438929
Flavor of the month.

>>146465764
I'm always disappointed when I view light novel illustrations. I read these stories and imagine amaizng fantasy creatures and the people living in them, and then I see this boring japanese bullshit of the amazing lizard woman being a generic japanese girl with some boring scales. Shes not even a proper monster girl. Why the fuck would anyone discriminate against someone with a few scales or some fucking animal ears? Shit is so retarded and unbelievable.

>>146466456

Humans IRL discriminate against people just because they talk funny or their skin is a different color, monster ears are certainly at least as distinct than that.

Not that I disagree with your overall point.

>>146438929
Mostly escapism, it's easier with Isekai

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>>146465764

The only people who can actually have a chance are people with strength around that of a [Hero] or someone who can kill/fight a Demon lord.

Keep in mind that Pochi, Tama, and Liza will continue to get stronger than Heroes and Satou wanted them to reach Lv 100 before he feels satisfied that they can take care of themselves.

And the amount of people who have that kind of strength are very few, so Satou has more or less ruined her because he raised her standards way too high.

>>146466415
Would be right with her current strength and level but Satou keeps fucking powerleveling them because he still thinks they're too weak to survive without his protection.

>>146466456
>Why the fuck would anyone discriminate against someone with a few scales or some fucking animal ears?
They are stronger than humans so wars are a thing and humans in certain countries are butthurt. Wait until you get to the weaselkin basically ruining everything ever.
>>146466579
He said in a recent chapter he wants them to handle an army or a demon lord at least. I doubt it will stop at that. He's already seventy different people, has a thriving business, is the hero, knows the hero, and killed three demon lords and a spooky shadow.

>>146466334
That's what it would look like to me considering the spoilers and whatever we got translated as of now.

I kinda ship L'Arc and Naofumi for their interactions in vol 5, and would like to see a yaoi doujin just so i can read and be done with this

>>146466689
>weaselkin ruining everything ever
Are you implying what i think you're implying

>>146466537
Humans discriminate each other primarily based on culture (ie conflicting laws and ideals), and as an excuse to monopolize or steal resources. There are very few people and are basically zero historical instances where one country went to war or enslaved another simply because they had slightly different physical characteristics. People hate immigrants because they steal economic resources, not because they are brown. People have trouble dealing with darker skinned pepple because they can't clearly communicate because of language differences, which innately leads towards distrust and aggression.

In before liberal fairy tales about the holocaust and evil white people going out of their way to enslave africans because of the wickied blackness of their dark skin. That's another problem with these stories, they become unrealistic because people try to use cat ears as a fill in for racial stereotypes and the author thinks that their middle school history lessons are enough to create believable political backstory.

>>146466579
True, but Heiron has some crazy ass potential given how he's a level 60~ and still can make Satou's Crisis Perception ring like crazy. In fact if it weren't for the dragon spear Liza would need a hero title to stand a chance.

It's just that Satou will never allow him to tag along for power leveling given how catastrophic the surrounding damage will be.

Yuika isn't a lesbian so I guess she's out, but she's probably the series biggest example of levels mean jack shit. I don't think even the 3 lines of god were as scary to Satou than when she first went crazy on his ass.

>>146466760
the nose knows!

>>146466797
You're being silly, everything you said is true, but that doesn't mean people don't associate physical features with the things you said.

I mean for fuck sakes are you telling me nigger big lips jokes don't exist?

>>146466817
>levels mean jack
>satou only beats the first demon lord he fights because he can tank all his attacks

>>146466797

Are you suggesting similar issues aren't often the ultimate cause of discrimination against demihumans?

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>>146466689

Wait till the fucker builds his own kingdom/city, fully master his space-time magic bullshit, and fends off a fucking worldwide alien invasion because the plot is off the tracks

>>146466817
I'm more worried about Pochi and Tama, they're right behind Liza in growth and they're fucking kids. Can you imagine how broken those two are going to be in future?

They're gonna stomp on Demon Lords for fun and fight armies for exercise, Christ.

>>146466944
Blackface?

>>146466854
also no i'm not really sure what you meant with that, i'm sorry

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>>146467059
When will we have some images of Sestina and Sera?

>>146467059
>stop an alien invasion

Huh, never thought aliens would be brought up in any isekayy stories

>>146467120
I think we already have a Sera pic.

>>146467059
Will the story even last that long? Has it even been 1 year in Death March? I have a hard time keeping up with the timeline.

By the time they grow up the world will be at peace cause Demon God is dead and everyone is busy with Satou's BBQ parties. And it's not like Parion seems to be interfering with the harem hijinx so it seems to be safe on that front as well.

>>146467096
Don't forget chinks are all yellow though that's more to do with their historical malnutrition or whatever.

>>146438929
So what Middle/High school knowledge would actually be useful in a medieval/fantasy context, and what would be a more realistic way to take advantage of it?

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>>146466579
Dude got hypnotized by an ape and got almost killed like four times fighting people with level less than 90 even when he's lvl312, of course he's going to level them fucking more.

>>146467204
We already got Cthulhi ripoffs with their own R'yleh, ayylmaos aren't a great deal.

>>146438929
Suppose you get your ass dropped on a generic isekai, how do you get as filthy rich as possible as quickly as possible?
I'd just be able to jury-rig a dynamo with a couple big magnets and copper and presto, electricity.

>>146467208
>Has it even been 1 year in Death March?
3 months by the time he is in elflandia

>>146467258
I slept through most of my classes in highschool and I'm studying to be a translator (of this world's languages) so I would probably be completely fucked.

>>146467236
when do these happen?

>>146467234
>>146467206
Oh nice. How long til she tries to pin down and consummate her relationship with Satou?

>>146466797
>>146466944
Not either of them, but they're both sort of right. Cultural difference is what gets in the way of living shoulder to shoulder, but physical differences and spiritual 'corruption' become more of an issue when miscegenation starts to become the focus.

>>146467295
Then it's over, it's gonna be like Hayate where 1 year = journey's finished -> epilogue years later. That 1 year will be entered into the annals of legends as the HAPPENINGS.

>>146467234
I thought she was a loli.

>>146467327
I lucked out since I'm studying physics. Assuming almost everything works the same way there's so many way to get rich (or at least become insanely famous throughout academia).

>>146467342

Are you thinking about the old grandma Miko that go turned into loli? Different character. Sera's always been a young missus.

>>146467412
And then you get transported to a world where 1+1=5. Welcome to Ippo's Perfect Dempsey Roll universe.

>>146467459

>>146467402
Shit that was meant for you.

>>146467412
Wouldn't you end like all those guys who tried to become insanely famous by making amazing discoveries and then got fucked over by religion?

>>146467412
More likely you'll be singled out and bullied by the existing academic culture that will shoot down everything you say based on their own paradigms and probably some kind of elitism against outsiders like you.

>>146467503
No, I don't even remember Satou talking about her body or her being older than Arisa and the other lolis even being mentioned, so I just assumed she was a loli.

>>146467204
don't look up the ending to the legend of maian light novel

>>146467534
>>146467542

No one wants to point out how the death march universe basically fucked over a guy who invented nukes by the boatloads simply cause it's taboo?

>>146467573
No one reads LDY stuff for the story anyways, just the juicy girls and steamy teasing. Wish Aflame would continue though.

>>146467234
I want to fuck her

>>146467638
The Death March universe isn't a fair example because there is some asshole deity that gets buttmad whenever some tries to advance civilization.

>>146467638
What happened to the nukes?

>>146467638
>No one reads LDY stuff for the story anyways
and with good reason. his writing leaves a lot to be desired.

>>146467638
> fucked over a guy who invented nukes by the boatloads simply cause it's taboo
Gods fucked him for the vapor engine THEN he made the nukes.

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>>146467719
They turned into duds cause a god or two got pissed. Nuclear power doesn't really mean shit against people who are nearly Kumo Admin level.

>>146467687
Shieldbro universe wouldn't work either cause Bitch Goddess. Hell for non-Isekai, even something like Rakuin is basically GG since humanity's futuristic star trek fleet just didn't work within that planet's atmosphere.

>>146467804
*steam

>>146467812
Sometimes I don't know if I should love Arisa and Mia for being so cute and based or hate them for being such fucking cockblockers.

>>146467804
Yeah but his nukes were useless anyways. It just goes to show how modern technology means nothing.

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>>146467904

Sera's sister with big puppies.

>>146467975
She's basically getting a side character version of Albedo's treatment. Ringrande didn't get jack shit attention from Satou so it's weird why the author chooses to invest illustrations and scenes to her.

Actually does anyone know what happens to Nana's sisters in the LN, since they you know, all live this time?

>>146467904
>yfw Arisa will die because Pochi changed Liza's death in her fan fiction

Well, not that it'd matter much beyond a revive Arisa arc.

>>146468190
>Arisa will die because Pochi changed Liza's death in her fan fiction
wat

>>146467833
Fabuley proves you wrong as it's built upon the technological knowledge of past heroes. But most of it is rendered moot becuase lol status magic

>>146468217
Read the WN, it's fun.

>>146468266
I read everything up to vol 14 chapter 45 and I don't remember about that.

>>146467209
Germ theory of disease and the ability to prove it. From there, propagating knowledge of vaccines and naturally occurring antibiotics.
Knowledge of anesthesia and sterilization techniques
Telescopes, if glassblowing is advanced enough
Compasses

>>146468313
I think anon was talking about that one chapter where Pochi was revealed to be a space princess.

>>146468250
But Fabuley is a joke compared to Rock Valley, let alone becoming a god. To begin with technology is something formed because the wielder themselves are incapable of achieving something by themselves, yet most universes with godhood allow one self to obtain such power anyways. It's like taking a slow ass elevator when you can take the stairs.

>>146468340
I don't remember that either.
What the fuck?

>>146468385
Are you implying most people wouldn't take the slow ass elevator?

>>146468338
How would one even start trying to prove germ theory without modern levels of microscopy? Vaccines are more doable, but they primitive form they've been around means they're still pretty dangerous and would get you branded as a quack and murderer really quickly.

>>146468455
If you live in a world where you gain permanent stats by taking the stairs, indeed no one would.

>>146468338
>Telescopes, if glassblowing is advanced enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZTgX4UrVdE

Time to rewatch Men in Tights

>>146468503
Tiny invisible demons, yo.

>>14646838
Im not sure rock valley would be any more technologically impressive than melromarc before naofumi's apotheosis. Though i agree with you on godhood and shit

Meant to quote >>146468385

>>146468761
Well we know in Shieldbro that technology can achieve godhood, but it just doesn't seem likely modern technology would be enough to do so when Ren's world was far ahead and he couldn't implement jack shit, but then again Ren was a pure pure naive boy.

>>146461166
It just means western men indulge in politically correct outlet for our inner conquerer. Who doesn't want to become a God of war mowing down armies of peons (or zombies, whatever)

>>146468503
I'd avoid microscopy and use culture methods to show germ developments. You would make some gelatin infused with sheep or people blood, take a sample from a festering wound or some other infected tissue, perform some basic isolation streaks, and demonstrate the growth of colonies. That's assuming that the world wouldn't have some form of magic that would aid in glassmaking.

Cow Pox is the standard of easy, safe, and effective vaccinations and would be practical as the starting point for a demonstration.

>>146466797
Spoiler, they actually tried to justify enslavement after it was established using the Ham story. Early on African slaves were pretty much treated like any other slave in Europe throughout history. The racial justification and religious ones only kicked into full gear as the agricultural cash crops of sugar, cotton, and tobacco skyrocketed in appeal and value and African slaves became cheaper than European ones.

Also most slaves were people captured in tribal warfare and then sold to Euros or other Africans. Slavery is a fucked up thing.

>>146468933
What they say about sufficiently advanced tech, no different from /magic/

>>146467904
>Mia
Has she ever said anything besides, un, yes and brief explanation about elf life?

>>146469311
Occasionally she help by summoning stuff or playing music.

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Here's Aze, Satou's high elf waifu and arguably cutest girl.

>>146469311
Guilty?

>>146467929
>his nukes were useless
We actually don't know about it, he said that after he treated with human genocide the Gods transmuted all the radioactive material in the world but he never said if the nukes he had were transmuted along with it, were scrapped or if he still has them.

I'm sick of Isekai shit I say this yet I like Konosuba

>>146468190
I actually freaked out when I read that thinking it was a premonition/future chapter and that the story would take a grim dark twist with everyone dying and shit.

Whar does isekai mean? A fantasy world or a human transported in a fanatsy world?

>>146469468
It still means they easily have the power to fuck him up though. I mean we already know Parion can just come out whenever she wants and she's ranked Unknown by Satou's AR.

That said, it's a different story if the god is sealed like Demon God or dead like fatty's priest's god. We don't even know who fucked over Corpse or what power they had back then.

Still, given how Satou's magic can easily deal far more damage than nukes once again there's little point in technological supremacy which relies on well, technology as opposed to your own power. Even technology in Death March relies on magic to begin with, nothing is pure non-magic aside from maybe the nukes, it's just kinda pointless.

It's like choosing to invest in static flat non-scaling consumables versus just leveling up more with your character. Who would pick the former if they knew the latter had no limits?

>>146469375
I like her design the best, followed by Sera's.

>>146469617
I was half freaking out, half in denial thinking there's no way it's true. It had a great build up.

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>>146469657

Melts like butter

>>146469468

The nukes were only a threat to humanity, basically a hostage tool. Corpse still had no way to touch the gods themselves.

>>146469375
>>146469743
Worst girl in the entire series.

>>146469743
Did you buy the book or something? I see those giant borders unlike the ones I downloaded off the wiki, not sure if they are the same quality.

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I feel like it'd be fun if the MC was just some bum who didn't play video games and was a garbage man or some other useless job before he got sent to the video game world, instead of a giant fucking dork who will pick all the optimized stats and skills and destroy the Demon King or whatever cliche fucking thing it is.

>>146469631
Literally, another world.

>>146468973
It was more of a divide and conquer tactic since the black and white slaves were teaming up for rebellions. The former white slaves basically became the enforcers for blacks being enslaved.

>>146469743
The kind I like in my pancakes.
>>146469806
Go to bed Mia if you sleep another million years maybe your breast could grow a millimeter.

>>146469837
Go write about it then, I don't see what you're trying to appeal with it other than just wanting to be a special snowflake among special snowflake novels, so show, don't tell.

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>>146469825
I found some quality scans while I was dicking around, can't say much about it.

>>146469910
Have some Mia

>>146469311
She talks a lot when she is drunk.

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>>146469923
I dunno, it's just kind of boring to see the protagonist win every contest with ease because he knows how to min-max RPGs. I feel it would interesting to see how someone who has no idea what the fuck a RPG is even react to a RPG world. No need for such passive aggression.

>>146468933
Oh also ren was focused more on being a loner and adventuring more than implementing shit because, what would be the first thing you'd like to do when you get to a new world that feels like a videogame if not doing those things?

>>146469985
I must decline, go give it to another gentleman.

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>>146470000

Nice quads, have more Mia anon.

>>146470072
What a cute boy.

>>146470023
I don't know why you are getting defensive. I said to write about it, as in explain the appeal in your post. Cause I didn't understand.

Are you trying to say you want an adventure with a noob? What about that VR Ossan thing where he picks the shittiest skills? Oh wait that's not an Isekai, that's an old geezer playing a video game.

>>146439362
In theory, perhaps.

In practice, fuck no.

A middle schooler can't be relied upon to know anything in specific enough detail to make anything actually worthwhile, and definitely can't explain the intricacies in enough detail to actually satiate a scientific mind.

For example, I'm a college student, and I know the extreme basics of how firearms work. I understand barrel rifling and I could give a VAGUE explanation about how a bullet cartridge works.

But I couldn't fucking make a gun or describe it in sufficient detail to get one made without an actual blacksmith being very patient with me while we puzzle out the finer details together of the course of months, if not years.

That's not fucking world beating scientific knowledge, I'm fucking worthless. Can't even mass produce bullets, it would be such a huge pain in the ass to get a medieval societies logistic up to that point, and that's if by some miracle I could get into a leadership position, which there's no fucking way.

>>146470177
Unless Lu Bu is your father in law, but at that point you'd just start learning wuxia and destroy armies with your fists.

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It's not the worst genre I've been interested in, on that note Arifureta 136 got posted just the other day and I need to go read it

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Any liza fans around?

>>146470177
What about you stop trying to make an i5 and make an slightly improved version of an abacus?

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>>146470306
>Arifureta 136 got posted just the other day and I need to go read it

Everyone point and laugh.

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>>146470252
>>146470398
I forgot the text, Anyways, I think some novels would be a lot more interesting if you had a historical figure in the Isekai setting. It be funny to see how they would react to certain situation like seeing an elf for a first time or a kabold, like and actual kabold and not that "I only have scales and a tale senpai" shit

>>146470451
So, Drifters?

>>146438929
Wait, this got a manga?


hooolleeeee fuck

>>146469868
Somewhat, but economics were the really deciding factor.

>>146470023
>it's just kind of boring to see the protagonist win every contest with ease because he knows how to min-max RPGs
What if he has to min-max a WRPG system and ends up mediocre or terrible because he doesn't grasp the mechanics at all? Like, a guy who thinks he's playing some JRPG but it turns out to be D&D3.5.

>>146470487
Yeah, but not so focused on Japanese samurai, generals, and warriors. I am talking about Drifters, but with Presidents and shit.

>Take great pains to hide identity for entire group
>Pochi keeps going nanodesu

How long can this charade possibly last?

>>146470721
I loved how the Weaselkin dude totally found out but went full "Nope, not getting involved in this shit" and pretended he didn't see anything.

>>146470682
Then you better go over to /co/ or something. I highly doubt nips give a flying fuck about presidents, when they won't even make manga about their own prime ministers.

>>146469868
A lot of overseers were blacks as well anon, and slaves at the same time. Slavery is a bizarre institution to wrap our heads around nowadays. Free Blacks often owned Black slaves if they could afford it.

>>146470768
The Legend of Koizumi was amazing though.

>>146470177
While it's unlikely you'd recall and be able to implement (semi-)modern rifled infantry firearms, there's still game-changing power in half that knowledge.

A rifled cannon, smoothbore cannon, advanced steelsmithing, or simple gunpower would each add at lease one order of magnitude in military power to a nation which could produce it. Practices like rapid infantry transport, RFs, and dispersed command structure would multiply force with simple structural changes.

Or for wider applications: nutrition, classic physics, periodic table of elements, hygiene, germ theory, industrialization, etc. Even something as simple as a mousetrap would have major impact.

>>146470800
That's cause the mahjong genre allows anything to happen. Have you seen the line up?

>Legend of Koizumi
>Akagi / Ten
>Saki / Achiga

The diversity of the genre matches the diversity of the tiles.

>>146458008
Any more of this don't care if raws.

>>146438929
Isekai is dead, how do we fix it?

Or better yet, what do we replace it with?

>>146470851
None of those are game breaking in most Isekai where an RPG system is implemented. Some guy can have 50 levels over you in throwing rocks and would throw his pebble faster than your sniper rifle goes off.

Even in Drifters, nothing the weebs do matters compared to nigger jesus.

>>146470681
>Die in real life as 40 year-old virgin
>Be reincarnated in another world
>Turns out being reincarnated in this world means that you have to roll your stats with no rerolls
>"Oh boy, this is just like maplestory that I spent fucking 10,000 dollars on at least with my Mom's credit card!"
>Roll crap stats
>6 all round for STR, DEX, CON, INT, WIS, and CHA
>Be born in new life as NPC as sorts
>20 years later you are just some human pleb that gets killed off when your village gets raided by orcs

>>146470938
Have MC reincarnate a shitton of times, each time in a different world and/or time period.

>>146470768
True, another idea would be where you take a MC from another light novel or manga and just plop him in one of the generic Isekai setting. Bet the nips would jizz their pants for that shit.

>>146471109
But we already have that. Herohero is the MC of Slime Tensei.

>>146471098
Elf tensei. It's shit.

>>146469375
>>146469743
She looked cuter and less boring in my imagination.

>>146470851
The problem there is that much of that knowledge is highly dependent on other things not all that apparent to us which will be sorely missed in a medieval context. That and they would seriously rub a lot of vested interests the wrong way and put all sorts of targets on your back.

Advanced book theories aren't actually that useful here, and instead practical things like civil engineering experience, double ended bookkeeping, and field organization for high-yield farming would be much better. Trying to get ahead with germ theory would be like trying to become a military genius after understanding modern squad tactics on clearing an entrenched position before realizing you have to get on a horse, march 10 miles, and then lead an actual group of medieval-era men without the convenience of satellite imagery or modern logistics.

>>146471174
I wouldn't know, I kinda just stopped reading that LN a while ago cause it was just getting fucking retarded for me.

>>146471002
>killed off
You mean pinned under debris or a fat orc while you helplessly watch your wife/daughter get raped and mindbroken.

Just kidding, no one wants to marry someone with 6 CHA

>>146471242
It's a joke, they aren't related but Slime Tensei's MC was a direct fit for HeroHero from game character to job.

>>146470938
>Isekai is dead, how do we fix it?

We can't fix what's dead, we just do what we do with every dead genre/plot device, give it to the fujos.

>>146471287
With stats at 6 all round you are pretty much the fat, retarded, pig fucker of the village that no one would touch. The village would probably breath a sigh of relief when you die when you thought it was okay to stick your dick in a hornet's nest.

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>>146465813
She also has the constitution of a dead rat.

>>146439068
By definition, it is in fact a genre.

>>146471182
This

People that think they're "smart" enough to improve upon a medieval system in any way are generally somehow not smart enough to also realize that they don't have the logistics, resources, social capital, experience, etc etc to pull off fucking ANYTHING of import.

Technology doesn't just appear out of nowhere, even if someone has the right idea and know-how. It needs a foundation to grow out of, rich fertilizer for ideas to take hold. It's not a one man show.

It requires an entire society working in natural concert for advancement to happen, one uppity autist that thinks he's hot shit for paying attention in his biology class simply can't do much.

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>>146471180

Eh. She's cute enough.

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>>146471180
The same happened to me with Nana, I thought she would look like pic related even when I knew she was a grown Mia clone

>>146465813
You're laughing now but those two things counted for ALOT in the sort of setting she's in. At the very least she and her sister will be the only survivors if a plague starts spreading.

>see a bunch of Chaika translations on NU
Oh boy.

>the quality is garbage, like straight out of google translate tier

>>146471730
I feel ya, I died a bit inside when I saw the quality and I worked my ass through Turbo's Kumo translation and pre-Nigel and company Overlord translations.

>>146471550
>Weak autist MC
>Relies on others for help with everything
>Creates bonds through dependency
>Bonds develop to possible romantic relationships
>MC also tries to improve self to stop being so useless

Is this perhaps the best Isekai formula?
It's so far worked on Re; Zero and many people also love Bookworm.
Even My Disciple Died has this at the beginning, just add in some plot and create an endgame and then you're golden.

>>146471182
>>146471607
I'd love to read a story one day about someone like that, maybe a Primitive Technologies kind of guy or a historian who loves what he studies but understands all the holes and gaps in his knowledge because of the fog of history, and while slowly making sense of the actual realities of the new world or past figures out ways to influence things for the better without going on a revolutionary power trip.

>>146471801
Turbo's work is a literary masterpiece compared to this horseshit. Goddamn, I'm mad.

>>146440346
>>146471550

What is this? Looks cute is it manga or light novel?

>>146438929
I like Dungeon Defense best even if it's the edgiest Isekai in History.

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>>146472042
Ascendance of a Bookworm, it's got a manga and a LN/WN.

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>>146471611
I was imagining something along the lines of a wakfu's eniripsa but with a cuter face and less brown.

I wonder if the LN changes to Death March will in turn change how the WN turns out. LN changes a lot that can possibly affect the plot, so it's a bit depressing to think all those loose threads would simply be ignored to tied together haphazardly.

>>146472133
Thanks anon, it looks comfy as fuck.

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>>146472100
>tfw you'll never have regular sex with your pear-shaped stone-cold secretary and a genocidal lolibaba
The writer changing his writing style to depict the guy's growing madness is pretty fun to if translator-kun is to be believed.

>>146438929

Because they know what happens when they become an adult, in Japan.

>>146471831
Also works for the beginning of Shieldbro as well as the first arc of Eliza, just have to add in some despair.

>>146470313
Of course. The only reason I'm reading this.

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https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=105581

and

https://shintranslations.com/the-new-gate-toc/

Are some of the more likable Isekai stories that I've found over the years.

>>146472180
Probably the world will burn since LN Satou is too Japanese to interact with women

>>146470941
For just power-levels, it depends on how the author gauges "power". mamare's said that if guns were developed in Elder Tale, they'd be significantly more powerful than any swordsman. Meanwhile, Kawahara has Gun Gale's guns be weaker than swords.

As for Drifters, Nobunaga's modern military and Jesus' unlimited(?) army haven't met yet. But we do know that Oda's tactics have been very effective, at the level of being considered better than magic by most people.

>>146471182
As >>146468568 noted, practice is effective even if the principle isn't understood. Logic gates are wizardry to the modern citizen, despite them using computers on a daily basis. Ascribe the practice to a supernatural phenomena (shrimp and shellfish are demonic) so people will use it and reap the benefits (shrimp and shellfish are bottomfeeders, thus disease-prone).

>Trying to get ahead with germ theory would be like...
I don't know whether you don't know or are overdating germ theory, but there's no "getting ahead" here. Merely dispelling miasma theory and replacing it with the understanding of disease as transmissible and prevented through certain hygiene practices would have benefits. Hot water, high-purity alcohol, and soap existed millenia before the medieval period.

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>>146472275
Rip Eliza's translation. Wish someone would pick it up again but I guess it's not popular enough for anyone to bother.

>>146472227
Enjoy your magic disease.

>>146472312
>World Customize Creator
Fun at first but got increasingly more boring as it goes on

>notSAO
This is bait

>>146472450
Magic cancer is fun.

>>146472382
Give me two years anon and I'll translate it for you ;_;

>>146472620
No rush, I've waited longer for other things.

>>146472358
>As >>146468568 noted, practice is effective even if the principle isn't understood.
This is true for something that can be passed off as an artisan craft, like mixing concrete. But people aren't stupid even in the past, and trying to pass off something incomprehensible as demonic magic is a one-way ticket to getting burned at the stake at worst, or getting laughed at for being a madman at best.

I have a solid grasp of germ theory and its influence in modern health. What I also understand is that you'd be facing an insurmountable public health problem just trying to convince people to adopt a number of hygiene practices, many of which would invariably tread on cultural and religious practices through these sorts of tactics. This is actually a pretty common problem for health professionals who are unable to conceive that even fairly logical preventive health measures can be waylaid by modern custom and myth. Plus miasma theory proponents would be a constant thorn in your side as you'd lack any of the technology and widely held modern standards of evidence to convince them their model isn't just as effective.

>>146472382
The only reason it's dead is the TL moved to China and got Firewalled out of Wordpress.

>>146472503

>notSAO

It's more slice of life than actual isekai. But is amusing, when the plot actually moves.

WCC, I agree. Still, initially it's nice.

>>146472763
Yeah, I know, would be nice if someone else picked it up.

I wish someone would pick up Elvenblood again. It was apparently too much for the original TL's heart to handle and they dropped it after one volume to do nothing but Only Sense Online.

It was Edgy but not THAT Edgy Jesus Christ.

>>146473033
Yeah, Krytykal is a fragile flower. Wish someone would pick it up because I feel blue balled as is right now.

>>146472358
>>146472709

You're much better off keeping the theory to yourself and just applying its practical usage in a more humble guise. In fact you're much better off coming up with a Classical miasma based variation to germ theory if you have to explain at all. Just walk in, win some goodwill by helping people with their health issues, and explain yourself simply if ever at all. Save theories for when you become well known enough to debate at a university or royal court.

>>146472709
If you're saying the challenge is social, rather than technical as you initially claimed, that would be true of anything.

Civil engineering? You aren't recognized by the architect guild, so you get laughed out. Double-entry bookkeeping? Their scholars have masters for generations, and don't need to waste time with your wasteful and condescending allegations. Field organization? See bookkeeping. Nothing new would ever be adopted because people are an "insurmountable problem" in keeping to their current ways /s.

The reality? Demonstration is the strongest evidence. Convince one practice to adopt the new technique, and compare their new results with their old results and their competitors'. There's no "lack of technology" to prove the effectiveness of antiseptic habits when all that's needed is counting cases of infection - you can count, right? And there's no shortage of potential adopters when all you need is someone ambitious. It's likely to take more than one showing, and it won't be widespread overnight, but it's possible.

>>146472358
Guns in Elder Tale would just be magic enchanted guns though. It wouldn't be strictly science. Not even the steam engine in Elder Tale is strictly science. Once you integrate magic into technology, you can no longer claim science is superior since it's relying on the magic factor anyways.

The way guns would work in ET is simply because guns can also level up so it's no big deal. Log Horizon is more game based anyways, there's no 'god' so far, and even the strongest of the strong, Leonardo is only the strongest in one aspect, which is damage. So naturally a bunch of gunners would mow down swordsman since Elder Tale is stat capped to begin with. There's no possibility for any single character to achieve godhood so to speak, everything is relatively balanced, or at least not capable of being invincible.

SAO guns are gimp simply because of Kawahara's wank fest to swords, SAO isn't even an Isekai in the slightest so it means jack shit there's no magic it's just up to the programmers to adjust balancing.

Drifters will end in Jesus army losing, but it'll be ham fisted as usual and make no sense no different than Souten Kouro. The very idea that a guy who can create life out of nothing and can sustain an ever growing army indefinitely until he dies of old age with nothing more than a wave of his hands being able to lose is ridiculous. He can just stay far far far back in his home territory and flood Oda's forces over and over.

I've really enjoyed Hello Work.

>MC wants to enjoy comfy life in small border town
>he works pretty hard
>not dense as a fucking rock
>mc level /= skill, people below his level can still kick his ass since they've trained with it
>LN art is nice
>made me laugh a few times
>pic related

Only cons is that each person who ever decided to pick it up goes on huge hiatus or just disappears. It's taken over a year for each volume, and gone through two different websites already.

>>146472763
The Great Wall is still effective over 2000+ years.

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>>146473389
Forgot pic, whoops

>>146470329
That's fucking stupid. Do you know how much it would jump them forward if you taught them differential calculus?

But no, instead they get a 15 year old who only knows times tables.

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>>146472382
The girlie grows up to be pretty handsome if the LN cover is to be believed.

>>146472312
TNG had potential, but the most excruciating part of it, that possibly manages to surpass Re:Monster in badness, is how the author keeps pulling out new fucking moves every part of a chapter and spend a paragraph minimum on each of them.

All this does is basically make it impossible for the reader to even grasp how the game system worked. There's so much redundant attacks and just lolrandomsokewl attacks that you can't even imagine it being a game. Shin so far in the translated material that's out has more moves than half the classes in a typical MMORPG would have combined, and even if he's a 'specialized blacksmith' he still has enough ridiculous moves that you could pass him off as a god even ignoring his stats, and only look at the breadth of how many skills/spells he has.

You can tell it reeks of Xianxia/Wuxia given how the attacks are named and the overwhelming wankfest descriptions of his moves blows through everything. None of that is intolerable by itself, but god damn it just never stops.

I don't even remember any of his moves from the first volume anymore. It all rooks da shame.

>>146473466
Half of /a/ can't even prove basic derivative properties, and I'm sure that half of the other half can't even understand them.
How are you going to prove and convince, let alone the earl, the farmer that a square saves you one meter of fence when they don't even know how to count?

>>146473214
Except with practical things like engineering and bookkeeping practices one doesn't need to turn up at a guild spouting advanced equations and economic theories like a crazed street preacher. One just has to build it, or practice it, and let the results speak for themselves, and speak plainly.

That can't happen with germ theory. That is, while one can demonstrate the benefit of good hygiene, that can't then be turned around to explain how little microscopic creatures live everywhere and cause disease and how this is better than miasma theory because a miasma theorist can just as well explain what's happening by reforming their principles and adapt to it. That's how these sorts of theories survived for centuries in the first place despite practical evidence to the contrary.

Let's not even begin with the problems of conducting a public health survey on a small population without that many cases of infection to begin with, and relying on just happening across someone with ambition to have the foresight to hand over that much control of public health policy to someone, nevermind that such men of ambition wouldn't have any real control over these sorts of things, and would be very conscious of gaining a reputation as a mad, eccentric tyrant who goes around banning people from doing anything without washing their hands because his court wizard says so.

>>146473606
Worse part is TNG has redeeming qualities. The mystery of the transportation and how it's dealt with all the players resembles Log Horizon, except this time players CAN DIE and more importantly the henchmen NPCs are all connected to their masters. There's a lot of aspects that make it stand out among other Isekais, but it's all overshadowed by the boring combat that takes itself way too seriously and invests way too much text into jerking itself off.

If I had to describe it, it'd be Skyrim: The MMO. Because that's how easy it is for high level players to basically dabble and spec into every damn tree. In fact the fucking last boss is even soloable and was designed to be a solo boss. About the only saving grace is that Stealth Archery is apparently very rare in TNG cause heaven forbid some Shin-tier character just PKs an entire nation from across the continent with an arrow to the knee.

>>146473214
In my opinion, the key dependency for organizational shifts is authority. These do work out in "I got reincarnated as a noble" settings, because they have the authority to mandate a change first and then show the results after.

Technology-based changes can work out fine when the author has done the background work ahead of time so that the setting enables it. Like the gun nut one, because magic shapeshifting liquid metal let him skip a lot of the usual dependencies, and he could handle the design because he'd spent a decade working in a machine shop and studying gun technical manuals for fun.

Where it looks flaky is when the isekai MC is just dumped into a village and then revolutionizes everything because of course he does, everyone eagerly listens to his Japanese middle school knowledge.

>>146457205
Each chapters pretty long as well, god dam the Koreans like trolling as an art.

One thing that irks me is how even the LN of death march doesn't change the fact that the stats rarely if ever update. Especially after the early volumes. 99 is the 'cap' but it sucks that we don't know how the rest of Pendragon holds up in stats, or even the other characters.

But I get the feeling that the author just didn't wanna deal with numbers. He doesn't even bother with keeping track of skill level numbers later anyways. And then once Satou started making custom scrolls and got chant orb, it's just home free stretch for the guy to write in whatever he wants.

>>146473792
What you're saying about engineering and economics is true of any theory-practice relation. Flask pasteurization and culture growths would demonstrate the germ theory in isolation, while antiseptic habits would demonstrate it in practice. Show they work to invalidate miasma theory, then present germ theory as an explanation for why they work.

And you have no understanding of where medieval infections were most common. There's no need for edicts or even public health to get hundreds of data points. Here's a hint: stab wounds.

>>146474238
Of course. I'm thinking less hero adventurer and more Lakeside Order, demonstrating effectiveness to powerful people.

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>it's a MC gets into a fight with a "aaaah? the hell you say? I'll kill you" pseudo yakuza minion in the adventurer guild episode

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What isekai VNs are there besides Muv Luv and Duel Savior?

>>146474581
>What you're saying about engineering and economics is true of any theory-practice relation.

No, and I explained why already. Pasteurization and culture growths would not explain anything of germ theory without also giving miasma theorists a chance to explain away these things with a wave of their hand. The practical application of engineering is something that doesn't require anything but demonstration to convince medieval architects to study and copy, because it can be applied without any explanation of advanced mathematics and chemical science, whereas trying to explain germ theory without common medical understanding at a 19th century level is to only demonstrate it to oneself while presenting a phenomenon someone in the medieval age would retool to fit their own views of natural science.

This is why germ theory only comes about so late in history despite the concept of a vaccine existing for centuries beforehand. It required the existence of an ongoing debate between the transmission method of large scale diseases in a dense urban environment, and miasma theories that had advanced beyond what they were in the middle ages.

>stab wounds
Which already enjoy such a high mortality rate by their very nature that you'd never be able to prove how half the patients that survived did so because their caretakers washed their hands while the other half died because their wounds were already infected due to foreign material seeping in or their intestines spilled out.

These ideas would be great and all in the 19th century, but like others have pointed out it's not that simple at all in an earlier context. Semmelweis could only prove that surgeons were infecting patients by tracking infections from ward to ward because the modern hospital system with wards, sterilized surgeries, and contingent contagionism existed. It wouldn't work out half as well for him if he suddenly popped up in the 12th century without them..

>>146475381
>practical application of engineering is something that doesn't require anything but demonstration to convince medieval architects to study and copy
You're arguing natural values; that medieval architects will accept, study, and copy a demonstrated due to their nature as architects. Are physicians of some artistic character which outright dismisses a practically successful theory because there's an alternative explanation? Why do you think engineers are some superior breed of people?

>you'd never be able to prove how half the patients that survived
Again, you can count, right? Casualties deceased per casualties treated. If the antiseptic surgeon gets consistently fewer deceased, people will care.

>>146476551
>If the antiseptic surgeon gets consistently fewer deceased, people will care.
I'm sure you're convinced of that, but you're working on Isekai logic and seem unaware of the history of science, as well as Medieval society. There already were practical doctors like Hugh of Lucca in the Middle Ages who developed antiseptic techniques, but like I've been saying all along none of his results could trump the weight of established medical tradition, folklore beliefs, and the negligible improvement in mortality rates because of all the other complications that can end up killing a patient despite one's best efforts at following modern sanitation and hygiene in the past.

Even with everything we know, and all our modern tech and logistics, it took decades to drop modern India's child mortality rates by half, and we still can't manage to save hundreds of thousands from diarrhea related terminal dehydration despite the solution being as simple as telling mothers to give their kids water when they're sick, and they still do what they think is rational within their own mindset. To think a medieval village is going to be any easier with even less material support and backing is perfect Isekai tier fantasy.

Look, I never said anything about engineers being superior to physicians. What I'm saying is you don't really understand either, especially in a medieval context. An arch, a buttress, a dome, these are all things that can be wordlessly copied and even transmitted as an art form without any reference to architectural science. Physicians in the past were the same way, practitioners of art and tradition who'd adopt practice without need for theory.

>>146477132
You're still arguing to nature, that a reproduction with any degree of understanding would perform as well something made by a knowledgeable person. There's no essence of concrete that persists in any attempt to make concrete, and failing to understand the theory will result in a poor performance which you would claim makes other fields less likely to be recognized. You're exempting engineering from the group of things which could be imperfectly applied and dismissed for that imperfection.

>>146473214
>Civil engineering? You aren't recognized by the architect guild, so you get laughed out. Double-entry bookkeeping? Their scholars have masters for generations, and don't need to waste time with your wasteful and condescending allegations. Field organization? See bookkeeping. Nothing new would ever be adopted because people are an "insurmountable problem" in keeping to their current ways /s.

That's not how medieval society worked at all. You didn't have architect guilds, you had mason guilds where individuals competed with actual projects, not dissertations in a lecture hall. If the civil engineer slider builds a dank ass bridge, no mason would laugh at him and instead would be copying the design if not trying to apprentice with him to learn more. Scholars also didn't do bookkeeping, merchants did, and literally no other group in medieval society cared more about avoiding waste and being extremely suspicious of their loans and money dealing. That's why double ended bookkeeping was developed by Italian merchants, not court scholars. And what sort of scholar or master oversees harvesting? That shit is the purview of the landlord and the villagers who own the land in question, and literally all it would take to attempt it is to acquire a patch of land for yourself.

>>146477512
None of that has anything to do with the debate. I'm never once argued that it's the nature of people, only that all your suppositions on the adoption of new technology is based on modern anachronisms requiring a society that believes in scientifically demonstrated policy, It's a complete misunderstanding of how the past worked even as late as the 19th century, let alone the 12th. You'd be surprised to learn what our ancestors managed without the proper understanding of modern scientific theories.

>>146477523
^This

TL;DR until the Enlightenment, the scientific method was considered to be overrated, and your shitty highschool math knowledge is not better than the ancients' with the distant exception of you knowing calculus, but you don't know how to derive it from first principles anyway.

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Why don't we get more stories revolved around alchemy and human experimentation to become immortal?

>>146438929
You guys are all fucking plebs
The chink now their shit and now they started to have some Isekai novels in which a group of people (about 500) got transfer to the past
It's much more believable since with that much people they could basically build the foundation of civilization, produce stuff rather than lel I am a high schooler and I can make fire arms

>>146477658
>I'm never once argued that it's the nature of people
Your assumptions of a society's willingness to adopt certain practices over others based on their field is an argument of the nature of people.

>>146477981
Only if you're ignorant of that society and how it really works, but that's a hallmark of the genre. This is about institutions and paradigm shifts, neither of which can be changed without first understanding them completely.

>>146478176
So by asserting that medical practice would not be adopted while engineering practice would be adopted, are you claiming complete understanding of medieval culture in the presence of an out-of-context problem?

>>146478328
Not complete, just more than yourself, and enough to point out the obvious flaws. I'm not unique either, plenty of others have as well.

>>146478405
Your position has been shifting on everything except nature. First science was incomprehensible demon magic, then science would be dismissed even if it worked because there were alternate explanations, then science with isolating proofs would be dismissed because there's no inherent 'science-ness' which can be made rote. You're ignoring what doesn't agree with you. And you call yourself an expert?

>>146478731
None of these strawmen have any resemblance to my arguments. Feel free to review and figure out what everyone else but yourself seems to understand. I haven't ignored anything, I'm just saying your presumptions are absurd, whether historically, medically, scientifically, or even practically. So good night, and sweet Isekai dreams.