What went wrong?

kubo

>>146163167
The Editor

By forcing Kubo to work in Sweat shop conditions and hellish work schedule, they gradually degraded the quality of story and art. In a sense it was also Kubo's fault for agreeing to such terms when he couldn't handle the demand.

The same thing is why comics books are so bad right now because you have editor constantly forcing their wishes on the creator, and ruining their creativity.

Too many characters introduced too fast.

Kubo

Nothing. Aside from the loose ends

>>146163167
Too many characters with back stories

>>146164711
>The Editor

No, it's entirely on Kubo.

Narutofags shitting up every thread on /a/

This video sums it up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACq7tgjHdGA

It wasn't a fashion series like Kubo has clearly wanted to make for years.

>>146168457
kubo: lets blame 4chan

It didn't end after they save Rukia.

>>146163167
Kubo couldn't cut it as a weekly mangaka for more than 6 years or so

It became not good.

>>146169908
this

>>146163167
I just want to know why it was named fucking Bleach

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It didn't stop at the logical closing point.

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>>146164711
>Kubo Did Nothing Wrong: The Post
How much of a delusional drone must you be to believe Kubo is completely blameless for years of pure shit

>>146169826

I watched this earlier today. It really nailed why I stuck with Bleach for the whole soul society and how soulless everything got after that. So much potential wasted.

Orihime was a mistake.

She's some half-baked idea Kubo slowly gave more power to, originally a balloon-tits sexdoll Kubo tried to pass off as a legitimate character.

Kubo's attatchment to balloon-tits girl projects his homosexuality far more because gays have shit taste and pick women they project not women (Rukia, Nel) who are normal.

Kubo went powermad witb butthurt enough to replace Rukia with Orihime since no one liked his obnoxious whore character.

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>>146170841

>>146170841
>Orihime was a mistake.
>She's some half-baked idea Kubo slowly gave more power to, originally a balloon-tits sexdoll Kubo tried to pass off as a legitimate character.
>Kubo's attatchment to balloon-tits girl projects his homosexuality far more because gays have shit taste and pick women they project not women (Rukia, Nel) who are normal.
>Kubo went powermad witb butthurt enough to replace Rukia with Orihime since no one liked his obnoxious whore character.
STAY MAD BITCH

>>146171115
Did you need to specifically quote every single sentence in reply?

>>146170045
Kubo likes the Nirvana album "Bleach".

That's it.

>>146164948
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>>146164948
yes

>>146170045
Bleach as in cleanse the souls and also the the song album from Nirvana

>>146163167
The title.

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>>146171512

Kubo is a bitter closeted homosexual who took his anger out on Rukia's popularity and not his personal favorite, Shithime.

>>146171579
>closeted

I thought he was openly gay?

>>146171844
I kek'd

>>146171565
http://bleach.answers.wikia.com/wiki/Why_is_the_story_called_%22Bleach%22

>>146164711
Do you really think the editor would ask Kubo to make 26 fucking Quincies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNQhmDLjTk

>>146170841
>warned by Kubo that their relationship was platonic
>Hueco Mundo is entirely bait for Ichihime
>a few brief chapters before the end Renji thanks Ichigo for fixing his and Rukia's relationship

Ichirukifags will never learn.

>>146164711
The old editor was actually his bro. That's why he was kept on for so long despite his series' declining popularity. The new editor is the reason Bleach got cancelled.

>>146170841
Reminder WE(ichiruki) caused this ending due to coments like this

>>146170045
I read it was named after a Nirvana album years ago in Shonen Jump.

>>146173084
>be Kubo
>struggling to keep your series popular
>go on twitter/read fanmail to ease your troubled mind
>90% of it is just people calling you a faggot for not turning Bleach into a shoujo romance and for not centering the plot around just two characters (Ichigo and Rukia)

I'd be pissed too actually.

>>146173084
Reminder Ichiruki was never on the table and you people are insane.

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>>146170841

Do Ichirukifags like Narusasu too? because Naruto and Sasuke had a similar relationship, heck, I would argue it was even more romantic and Sasuke actually stayed relevant till the end

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What a shame there was no bad ending, or a proper fight between Juha and Aizen.

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>>146163167
gee i dont know, its like they suddenly change theme and goal mid story into unrecognizable state

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If Bleach was so shitty and the ending was such garbage, then why do I feel so sad about it ending?
Also, why do I feel nostalgic about it and the anime and remember it with such fond memories?

>>146174042
That's the first and only time we've seen what Aizen's fighting style is like.

>>146163167
You read it. That's what went wrong.

>>146169034
Bleach would never been allowed on old /a/ after the Soul Society Arc.
The only reason you fucktards avoided the persecution that the Narutards experienced is because you fucktards tricked idiots on /a/ that Kubo was a troll, instead of the hack he is.

You dipshits only realized this when your wish fulfillment shipping bullshit didn't happen. Kill yourselves, you Bleachfags are the cancer that helped to start the decay of /a/.

>>146163167
You can't expect a weekly serialized shounen manga to be good after 15 years.

>>146163167
We grew up and taste began to change.

>>146169826
not a bad video. never was a hardcore fan myself, but I found myself caring less and less for the big three after Naruto.

>>146163167
Rukia being sidelined.

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>>146163167
Kubo has a bad habit of taking on more than he can actually pace, because he deals with writer's block by creating characters. I do this too, it always spirals out of control.

He also let's his characters' powers get out of control, worsening his pacing issues. See all the elite Quincys, and most notably Szayel. Not even kidding when he showed up in final arc I started screaming at my computer.

>>146174035
Narusasu would have been canon, but Togashi had one of his 7 personalities threatened everyone at Jump if they created a main protagonist faggot couple before him.

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>>146170841
The problem is that Kubo is an immature fuck.

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>>146173084
Don't put us all on the same level. I didn't even know Kubo had a fucking Twitter.
But well yeah some IRfags are pretty autistic. Just look at this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ho8JOPD6Iw

>>146174646
The only reason Bleach became allowed is because fags like me (mostly me and a bunch of anons) posted about it and discussed it. If you want to blame anyone, blame me.

>>146174807
kek'd

GonxKillua fucking when?

The whole fucking thing should have always stuck to the premise of the first arc.

>>146163167
Kubo stopped trying. Bleach really used to be good at some point, but Kubo gave up.

>>146174974
>The only reason Bleach became allowed is because fags like me (mostly me and a bunch of anons) posted about it and discussed it.

Did you even fucking read my post, you shitty tripnigger?
/a/ would have shitposted your thread with toddlercon gore and maybe even fucking cp until you faggots couldn't handle it anymore. The only reason you escaped this was because you dipshits, not you since it is obvious you are a newfag, claimed Kubo was an ebin troll. /a/ played along with this and allowed you fucks to post on here.

That and seeing your shitty shippers sperg out like Porky gave us some amusement.

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>>146175002
3 more arcs.
So 50 years from now.

>>146175125
CP/gore-spammer was a 2010 phenomenon and stuck mostly to bakemonogatari threads. OP got wikispam. Bleach gained traction in 2008-2009 and was the norm by 2010. Get over yourself you fake oldfag.

>>146174759
But this was a great moment. How ironic that the Espada of insanity was Mayuri's voice of sanity. Even though it was completely unnecessary.

>>146175163
Togashi will be dead and probably so will I...

Is Yuyu Hakusho worth reading?

>>146174646
Bleach and One Piece were widely accepted for the first two years. Naruto was nearly always shit on since the Chuunin arc.

I refuse to believe anyone who has apparently been on 4chan for over a decade still types like an angry 14 year old kid.

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>>146174198
I'm going to rewatch the early series, so I'll try to get back to you.

But in its own way there was really nothing quite like it. Even when the story failed, the character design, art, and world were there to hold it up.

Or maybe I'm just being a fool and this is exactly what people said about DBZ/Inuyasha.

>>146175207
>CP/gore-spammer was a 2010 phenomenon and stuck mostly to bakemonogatari threads

CP/gore spam was never in the fucking Monogatari threads, what the fuck are you talking about?
OP wikispam was only by Porky. Naruto got a double whammy of this and the cp/gore spam.
Bleach wasn't a norm by 2010, it was on here way before then.

Fuck off with your shitty revisionism, you worthless attention whore.

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>>146174198
cus bleach used been decent and had interesting ideas that went to waste as time went by

>>146175258
Why are you even replying?

>People replying to a tripfag

For what fucking purpose? It's like talking to a retarded person and expecting him to listen.

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>>146163167

The fundamental problem was probably conflict between Kubo and his editors at Jump about the overarching story of Bleach. I think Kubo planned to have a monster-of-the-week series and only have a few overarching elements like Grand Fisher and romance subplots, and I'd guess that the editors wanted what we eventually got instead, big story arcs in exotic locales. You can sorta feel the small scale Kubo had in mind from the early tone and small setting of early Bleach.

There's no necessary reason that Bleach couldn't have been an effective long-arc series, of course, but when it's not planned to be that way and then the planning for those arcs has to occur during the already stressful work week of the average WSJ mangaka, the planning will be either poor or nonexistent, especially if the person doing it doesn't particularly care to be doing it. Any planning that does get done will also clash with the plans made at the outset. A clear example of this in Bleach is the main character of Ichigo, who starts out with a thuggish charm and personality that he slowly loses as his character goes places it wasn't really intended to go. I personally felt this as soon as I saw the bankai that got picked for him.

When we look at the big three as a whole, I think the reason that One Piece has turned out to be the most successful is that it was the best planned and most consistently executed. OP has a definite plan for where it's going, it has a definite tone and progression that is slowly being accomplished, and Oda doesn't need to scramble in the few hours he can allot to scripting. Whether you like it or not, it's now survived the other two and remains as the Big One at this point.

>>146175236
Yes.

>>146175212
It did turn out that way, but fuck if I didn't immediately flip my shit about it.

>>146175258
>Naruto was nearly always shit on since the Chuunin arc.
While it kind of crapped out in the end, the first 2 parts of the exam were pretty boss. You know, when they still did vaguely ninja stuff. It didn't really go to shit until the second arc of Shippuden and from there it was just a constant slide.

>>146175271
>Or maybe I'm just being a fool and this is exactly what people said about DBZ/Inuyasha.
You're not. We regularly had Bleach dump threads just to appreciate the fashion/style. It actually crossed over quite a bit into early /fa/, when "lowkey anime style" was growing in popularity in reaction to Hot Topic's in-your-face weeaboo fashion.

>>146175321
Because I've been on 4chan since 2005 and I think that post is factually wrong.

>>146170132
Such a missed oportunity, fuck you Kubo.

>>146175425
>Because I've been on 4chan since 2005
Why bother if you know he's a tryhard faggot trying to get a rise out of others? That's the only reason the tripfag is replying. They feed on eachother like the scum they are.

>>146175425
>Because I've been on 4chan since 2005 and I think that post is factually wrong.

No one really started shitting on Naruto before Shippuden on /a/. The Naruto-Sasuke fight
Your posts are just as wrong as the other idiot.
Why the fuck am I even replying to this bullshit? It's basically fake old fags circle jerking to each other.

>>146175312
Bleach threads got saged into oblivion in 2008. In 2009 Ichigo hollowfied and we got that stupid THE HEART forced meme bullshit along with the fake Kubo interviews. Though in a way THE HEART is the reason why Bleach became accepted, because we spent a lot of time discussing what it meant and the HM arc itself after the memes died down.
>CP spammer was never in monogatari threads
We didn't call them monogatari-threads, just bake-threads. And yes he was, ask any bakefag who watched it as it aired and followed the discussion in the months that followed. There is a reason why that gif of kanbaru and araragi tossing mosaiced books into the air captioned "gore thread" exists.

>>146175461
Eh, I just hate misinformation and people still trying to pretend 4chan was some scary place that would have ripped you up and spit you out, when it's been mainstream has hell for the past 7 years.

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>>146175527
>because we spent a lot of time discussing what it meant
And what was your conclusion?

>>146163167
Didn't focus on Rukia as much as he should have. For whatever reason he kept on separating her from the main cast and it made everything suck. It would be like if Kishimoto removed Sasuke from the plot for 400 chapters of Naruto. Shit would have been cancelled just like Bleach.

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>>146175312
>CP/gore spam was never in the fucking Monogatari threads

Oh man, never have I seen such clear evidence of newfaggotry. Nobody who browsed then could think this.

If you reply, note that you can only delude yourself, not me.

>>146175582
Basically what the pasta says about the Ulquiorra fight. Only we came to that conclusion long before it was compiled and hosted anywhere. Ichigo lost a part of himself in that fight, this is evident throughout the rest of the manga. Ichigo became "bland" and broody. He wasn't the same trash talking punk with a heart of gold. People used to tell him to shut up and fight, or stop thinking and just swing his sword. He did just that.

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>>146175656
The truth hurts.

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>>146175390
I don't know that far, he seemed to have the overall plan down for a while, with Ichigo being a hybrid and all that. He had his beginning and he had his end, he just didn't seem to have a middle.

This is something that manga, especially those in Jump, seem to have in common. The author knows where they want to start, how they want to start the ball rolling, and somewhat of how it will end. But they have little to no idea of where to go between the two and given the nature of their contracts they can't really pin it down either. This system often also ruins the endings.

On the bright side, at least Bleach got a better ending than Psyren.

>>146163167
Dragon Ball Z power levels and the entire concept of a war arc that consists of nothing but hundreds of side characters engaging in games of teleport-backstab with newly introduced enemy fodder characters uninterrupted for the entire remainder of its lifespan.
To think that Kubo was told to hurry it up.

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>>146175993
>hundreds of side characters engaging in games of teleport-backstab with newly introduced enemy fodder characters

This. He could have fixed everything if he just would stop wanking over designing new character so hard.

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A small detail people missed. Chad's heavyweight boxing match was sponsored by Y-Hans. The same Y-Hans in Yukio Hans Voralberna.

Whats with bleach's color centric powers anyway?
Black being the most powerful > red > blue > green etc.

>>146163167
Shitty bleach faggots wouldn't stop making shitty threads even when their shitty manga died, and not put keywords in their opening comment/pic so their shitty thread would bypass filters.

>>146177285
lel shitty whinny faggots still whining. gj never change /a/

>>146177285
The threads will die down soon enough. This is their death rattle.

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>>146169826
>a musical stage show
Jesus Christ...

It stopped being fun and entertaining and started being a shitty YYH knockoff.

>>146175435
>that was the ending of bleach
>small epiloge where Ichigo becomes a renown doctor that saves lives
>never marries but lives a life full of friends and their families
>dying in his bed surrounded by his best friends
>last panel is an old Ichigo seeing a hazy outline of Rukia performing a soul burial on him
>she comes into focus as her sword pulls away, smiles, and offers him her hand
>he reaches out and it's a young hand that grasps hers
>roll credits

>chapter title is The Strawberry and Death

>>146177874
>last panel is an old Ichigo seeing a hazy outline of Rukia performing a soul burial on him
>she comes into focus as her sword pulls away, smiles, and offers him her hand
>he reaches out and it's a young hand that grasps hers

I hate Ichiruki but that warmed my heart a little.

>>146173037
source?

>>146164711
>>146173037
Source on this bullshit?

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>>146174077
>>146175004
>>146175316
>>146175390
>>146175982
>>146177756
Still mad.

>>146178332
Wow, I edited that thing like shit.

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>>146171115
If Kubo loves Orihime so much, why does she do nothing besides provide a little first aid and get Ichigo in the end?

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>>146177937
Because it's not shipping, it's just good story writing. You can practically imagine seeing everyone else waiting to greet Ichigo in a big splash panel on the next page.

>>146178461
Because Kubo can't into moderate usage of power potential. You're either bad at using your powers or godlike.

>>146174759

I hoped that he actually came back and he would do a team up with mayuri for some convoluted reason.

>>146179117
I was surprised that Mayuri didn't bring Ssazel back as one of his zombies, if only to make Ssazel even more his bitch.

>>146174035
I was NaruHina and IchiRuki so no

>>146175207
LoN I really hope you kill yourself one day

>>146163167
Nothing, it saved anime

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>>146177874
So beautiful it hurts.

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>>146174035
Ichigo and Rukia had a similar relationship to Naruto and Sasuke? What the fuck are you babbling about?

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>>146179357
Mah nignog.

>>146178461
Her role got expanded a bit in the series later on. I was also thinking about this and yeah, Orihime was indeed meant to get Ichigo in the end. Or more like Ichigo was supposed to get Orihime. She is said to be beautiful by other characters, her fanclub at Soul Society, the fact that every character pretty much shipped her with Ichigo til the very end, etc.

>>146179357
muh nigga.

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>>146180033
Would Orihime having a little Ulquiorra fairy have prevented the Ichihime ending?

>>146174035
I never cared for Naruto pairings but after I found out that Hinata had the balls to confess I wanted her to win.

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>>146180122
Doubtful.

>>146175435
>Fuck you Kubo
Every issue with Bleach leads back to SJ editors, blame them.

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>>146180033
>>146180122
A little Ulquiorra fairy that throws atom bomb spears, I mean. That would have been something to give Orihime an offensive punch and not just adorable.

>>146173037
That's not how it works. His editor doesn't decide wheter his cancelled or not. Actually, the editor's job is doing everything in their might for the series not to get canned.

>>146180122
That's adorable but no. Also remember Orihime's hairclip fairies? Neither does Kubo.

Is it true that Kubo deleted his twitter?

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>>146180259
Kubo's garbage memory also hurt Bleach a lot.

Why did Hitsugaya have all his limbs, but Soifon and Yamamoto kept their stumps?

>>146180412
Why did Hiyori survive being chopped in half, when other characters took less harrowing damage and still died?

Kubo just likes the short characters.

>>146180412
But Soifon didn't keep her stump?

The series took a dive after the full bring arc. Kubo did try to make it better; but he kept following the same models he went with thru the entire series and didn't offer variety; so it was rather disappointing.

Had he been a little more unconventional; it would have been far better; but he also set the power bar too high more than it needed to.

His ratings really shot after the full ring and needed to redo the hueco mundo arc far better. The last arc was pretty tough for him; what he needed to do was become more unconventional with his writing and get more creative; but he really didn't.

Aizen was a cooler character compared to ywach who basically was kinda just cheat mode 24/7

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>>146180445
Yeah, Hitsugaya and Hiora got fucked much worse than Gin, but they survived.

>>146180479
Soifon had 2 arms in the Sternritter arc? I can't remember the last time she showed up to determine if you are correct or not.

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>>146180562
Seriously?

Also Yamamoto keep his stump because of his pride and didn't let Orihime fixed it.

Doesn't make it any less retarded though.

The last good arc was Hueco Mundo

>>146180608
>Hueco Mundo
>Good

Uh okay.

>>146180620
I only watched Bleach for the fights

>>146180608
Yeah man, I loved recycled S.S. Arc

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>>146180644
I don't care what anybody says, the Arrancar arc was cool. The Arrancar had some good designs and some nice character moments and the fights weren't over rushed or obviously decided by character match ups (at least until the Fake Karakura Town fights)

>>146163167
Nothing. All according to the plan.

>>146174042
Never enough with Aizen

Everyone arguing over what old /a/ thought of Bleach needs to be reminded of this mantra from back in the day:

/a/ hates Naruto
/a/ is tsundere for Bleach
Only newfags sage One Piece

>>146180598
Shunsui didn't regenerate his eye and ear either. Fucking why?

>>146184275
> /a/ hates Naruto
Because we're the edgiest of contrarians who can't like the most popular western series (in terms of sales)

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>>146184908
>contrarians

For that, Nurutu would actually have to be good rather than a steaming pile of shit. Hating a steaming pile of shit is just called good sense and taste, anon.

But since you are clearly new, the main reason why /a/ detested Nurutu was due to its completely disgusting and cancerous fanbase. These were the days when gaia was in full swing and the nastiest, cringiest shit was being churned out by them. To prevent /a/ being infested, the board collectively was as hostile as it could be to those faggots to put them off coming here.

Also
>sales = quality
Good one

>>146184970
>T. Newfag
The reason /a/ hates Naruto is because Moot said he liked it and someone got quints saying that it was shit.

Though the fanbase is utterly cancerous, slightly better since the NaruSaku threads committed sudoku

>>146185008
>newfag trying to call others newfags

Just stop. Nobody who has been here since the mid 2000s is going to buy your revisionist bullshit.

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What the fuck was going on with Kira near the end?

>>146185081
Who knows or cares?

>>146163167
>Ichigo's whole being is about protecting people
>he does a damn good job of it
>literally sacrifices his ability to protect people to stop Aizen
>gave up his whole being to protect people
>instead of rolling with it and ending it there Kubo decides to keep going with a boring asspull arc that no one liked
Not saying the series didn't go to shit way earlier but that would have been a pretty good stopping point.

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>>146177874
I liked the thing that 1 anon wrote where Ichigo goes into his inner world after being beaten by Aizen once, where Zangetsu takes off his cloak and reveals that he's wrapped in Ichigo's soul chain, lowering his power by a lot, so Ichigo has to face the choice of cutting it and freeing Zangetsu's actual power, but killing him in the process. It's why his hollow was so strong, because only a spirit could access more of Zangetsu's power.

Then we find out Ichigo's bankai is actually his shikai and he gets a new bankai to win with. They win and then Ichigo goes to soul society, only to come back as Karakura's official shinigami at the end where he saves some little kid and his mom from a hollow.

>>146163167
Kubo went wrong. He lost control of all the characters.

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>>146184275
/a/ liked Naruto until the timeskip and sometime after filler hell in the anime.

You can always safely disregard salty sagefags that spam things they didn't like since then they decided they didn't like the whole board and did nothing but spam for all of 2009/10, until finally all that was left was Facebook-tier threads and actual roleplaying in 2011. If /a/ didn't get cracked down the hardest of all with mods it would be worse than the biggest shithole you could possibly find on reddit.

>>146186565
Early /a/ never liked Nurutu. Your revisionist shit wont ever work.

/a/ hated it because of Gaia. Thats all there is to it.

>>146186554
>lost control of all the characters

What does this even mean?

Corporate intervention happened. Fuck the editors. Fuck Shonen Jump.

>>146187570
power creep, repeating powers
plot holes, no, plot abyss

>>146188761
Corporate money is the only reason Bleach even exists. Also corporate meddling would have probably saved Bleach. Just look at how they made the movie.

>>146187470
I also only ever saw Naruto here when it was being mocked. And yeah mostly mocking the fans.