What is your opinion on the original Gundam TV show? Does the

It's okay.

Why don't you watch it first, not weighed down by the gravity or others?
Then discuss it when you are done.

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Oh and the character designs look really good and varied in both face and body types but everyone who knows the character designer by name cums over him and says he's one of the best artists in the industry so I kinda doubt people will disagree with that

>>146055199
I've already read a bunch of "Tomino is cancer this show is a bunch of cowabunga shit I'd rather drink aids blood from a buffalo's anus" threads I'm just curious how people will react to a more neutral OP

>>146054954
It's okay I guess. I really enjoyed watching it. Probably the best thing in Gundam since I found just about everything else after it to be mediocre.

>>146055275
>0080
>Mediocre

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>>146054954
Not the best one but there is worse too.

The worst thing I can think about it is probably the fact that they shoved in some nonsensical designs for new toys when the ratings weren't good like the G-armor.
The Icelina episode was silly.
Most of the character stuff is very good.

>>146054954
Mindblowingly fresh.

>>146055275
It honestly seems like the most appealing to my taste since asied from G Gundam since it was made when "real robots" weren't an established thing and it still maintains cartoony super robot elements from all the clips and caps I've seen

I heard Tomino retconned some of the silliest robots because they were not realistic and serious enough or whatever but I enjoy that type of shit

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>>146054954
>off model robot frames
What do you mean with that?

>>146055273
fuck off attention whore.

>>146055463
I made this post >>146055505 without reading your post

The dumb robots look fun to me funnily enough

>>146055414
I thought 0080 and Turn A were okay. I like 00, Greco, X, Z & ZZ but I wouldn't call them good.

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>>146055552
They're pretty dumb.

>>146055741
>but I wouldn't call them good
There's no such thing as "objectively good". There's such thing as objective flaws, but whether those flaws are show-ruining or not will always be subjective. If you had genuine fun with them then they're good, to you, personally.

If your fun was 100% ironic then I guess your wording is fine.

>>146055943
I never understood that, how does one have fun ironically? I had fun. I just wouldn't argue that they had strong or compelling narratives. Which is how I equate something that's narrative driven in being good.

>>146054954
I thought it was a pretty good show. The original Gundam is pretty much well received all-around from Gundam and non-Gundam fans. Any other Gundam show (except 0080, probably) is rather divided with plenty of vocal hate and praise, though I only noticed this on /a/ and /m/. Don't mind about the "Tomino is a hack" thing. Most of the shitposting about him came from G-Reco which is the Gundam with the most divided fanbase. I thought it was meh, but I've seen far worse.

>>146056122
Ironic enjoyment = enjoying something because you're laughing at how bad it is vs. actually enjoying it for genuine intended qualities.

I disagree anyway; I think that even if the narrative in a narrative-driven work isn't very strong, the execution can make it good. I couldn't call Gunbuster bad for example even if I think there's more bad than good in the script.

>>146056238
It's not a G-Reco thing. First there's Garzey's Wing, then there's Brain Powerd which developed a hatebase because deranged Eva fags took something Tomino said out-of-context as "Brain Powerd is better than Eva". In-context, he basically said he thinks Eva is bad but that he also thinks Brain Powerd itself is bad.

I still want to watch Brain Powerd eventually even though the creator says it's bad; I've found myself liking "disowned" works in the past (for example Tezuka). The Nagano mechs look neat.

>>146056318
For me, personally it's more of a spectrum than straight Good | Bad. Which makes feelings hard to place. It's just hard for me to say "Yeah that was great." when I may find half the cast to be underutilized, themes and ideas to be poorly explored and executed or the show just generally a mess of ultra contrived circumstances strong together by general drama/storywriting cliche's.

I've seen everything Gundam related in recent memory aside from Wing, Igloo, 00 Movie and AGE which I'm watching now.

I watch Gundam cause I like Mobile Suits and while I can derrive some enjoyment from just about every series I've watched for one particular aspect or another. I do agree that execution can make something good.

>>146054954
I can only stand to watch 0083.

and maybe Wing's intro before I change to a different show.

>>146056690
>I watch Gundam cause I like Mobile Suits and while I can derrive some enjoyment from just about every series I've watched for one particular aspect or another.
I'm on a roll today for unfinished points it seems.

I meant to say while I can enjoy it for one aspect or another when it comes to finally sitting back and absorbing what's going on in the show I may not be able to come to terms with calling it a good show.

>>146056690
Okay yeah, I see that and I actually feel the same way sometimes. There's more than "good" and "bad" and I was just being shallow.

>>146055543
Shit like that is no different from human characters often being drawn in a wonky way by inbetweeners or in a throwaway cheap episode etc. From what I've observed it seems like in the 70s there simply wasn't a "mechanical animator" sub-set of "key animator" so no one focused on learning to draw mechanical things as well as possible above all else and thus the robots were given to regular animators. Some of the frames are legit shitty, others are just from the middle of a motion and only look "bad" by modern standards because people are used to Gundams looking believably mechanical. A lot of the gifs I've seen aren't really bad, they're just animating Gundam the same way they would animate a super robot mech i.e. more human-like and rubbery.

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>>146057190
What I'm saying is I highly doubt the people who are super weirded out by 0079's mechs ever watched Tomino's super robot shows like Daitarn and Zambot 3

If they watched Zambot 3 in particular they should know 0079 is not badly animated for its time at all (Zambot's Kanada episodes were cool as were a few other scenes but I mean GENERALLY it looked rushed and cheap as hell)

Watched like the first ten episodes. It was okay, but I don't really feel compelled enough to finish it. I like the robot action, but I'm not that interested in war dramas.

>>146058257
Now that you said that I think I'll watch it.

Robot shit gets boring without the people's stories behind them.

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I'm liking this so far

>>146054954
Holy crap, this gif is beyond gay.

Watching it now, about episode 20. At first I was really bored. But now I guess I'm in 'it's so bad it's good' territory. The animation is really shit, the colors are tacky and badly coordinated. The designs are tacky too, the only good designs are Zeon and federation uniforms. But not the stupid hats and helmets. Amuro's retarded expressions are starting to wear me out. Although the way his VA shouts cracks me up. People shit on Shinji, but perhaps only because they're newfags and don't know 'bout Amuro. Looks like it was him who started the fashion for underage emo protagonists.
The names are really stupid. Cucuruz? Bright? Clamp? Hamon? A lady named after a kind of meat? Really?
I don't even care that much for mecha. I've only started watching it because I'm generally interested in older anime. And because I wanted to see what's the fuss about this meme character named Char. So far he is some kinda disappointing edgemaster, he killed some violet-haired fag and disappeared. I wish the violet-haired fag stayed alive, he was kinda funny at least. Instead of him Zeon side got a troop of characters who have little screentime and die too fast. I don't like it. I like when both sides in a conflict have well-developed 3-dimensional characters with appealing qualities. So far the only character I like is Bright, he's trying to stay sane and actually do something, while just about everyone else is being pants on head retarded, edgy or emo.
Sorry for tl;dr. I'm really debating if I should drop it.

>>146054954
The narrative structure was way ahead of it's time, but it's kind of played out at this point.

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>>146060597
Why would you start watching Gundam if you don't like mecha? It's like reading Getter Robo for the intricate plotline.
If you've already watched 20 episodes why bother dropping it though. You're basically halfway through.

>>146054954
The show is okay, it's watchable. But the movies have better visuals and better mechs, the amount of bullshit like G-Fighter is decreased.

>>146060597
Char is not an edgemaster. And he comes back after a moment.

>>146060597
The first few criticisms are one thing but the human designs are great. Unless you mean the robots (which I have no significant opinion on one way or the other) I can't help but wonder what 70s anime you do like if you think the character designs are bad.

Having this much facial and body variety in a traditionally "anime-esque" show that's not super-cartoony is an impressive feat as far as I'm concerned.
>>146061094
Getter isn't 'intricate' but it does have interesting themes and the story does play a big part in why it's good.

>>146055225
the kids look fucking horrible though
and hayato

>>146062446
It's really funny that the designs you dislike are the ones that remind you the most that you're watching a cartoon.

The kids are fine as is Hayato.

>>146054954
The problem I ran into was not actually the designs or animation, but the sound. I couldn't find any subs that didn't sound like an old cassette that had been replayed to hell. I ended up watching the dub, and the fact that they largely remixed the sounds, or used a better master, or whatever, actually made it a pretty good experience. The voices were reasonably solid as well, Gundam dubs are seldom offensively bad.

>>146061455

>the movies have better anything

what.

>>146062446
This. Every time these kids are on screen they creep me out, their style is so out of place, and heads like 2x the size of adult human, wtf.

>>146061713
I meant vehicle, location designs. I specifically said uniform designs are ok. And I agree that humans are surprisingly varied. Ii don't even remember another show which had a fat black guy.

As for 70s anime I like RoV and Oniisama E and they both didn't look as dated to me as 0079 does.

>>146061455
Shit, I knew I would do better to watch the movies.

>>146062912
>As for 70s anime I like RoV and Oniisama E
>Oniisama E
>70s
Hahahaa fuck. Confirmed for having no knowledge of 70s anime.

Most 70s anime/manga kids looked like that so congrats on proving my theory that people who freak out about how "horrible" 0079 looks have no experience with 70s anime.

>>146062912
Rose of Versailles and Oniisama e look better than most TV anime within a 20 year period of them airing, they are outliers.

>>146054954
Tomino's writing style is bizarre to say the least plus the animation is incredibly lazy but if you like science fiction you'll find that 0079 is incredibly competent as a story despite having a shoestring budget even by 70's standards.

The competency of all of the following series thereafter in the franchise varies wildly but Early UC Gundam is still a fun ride regardless

>>146060939
Gundam will never reach the heights that it did in 0079 and Zeta.

>>146062801
I'm generally not a fan of watching series summary movies unless I've already seen the series. What do you feel makes the movies worse though?

>>146062795
I started watching the dub and thought it atrocious, then about 16 episodes in the subs stopped working on my TV and I switched to the dub again and genuinely liked it bettter. It's like someone came into the studio and whipped the actors into shape. Though they would do better to whip the translators into shape beforehand. They can't shorten phrases for shit, leave too many unnecessary long words, no wonder poor actors struggle with just pronouncing it fast enough, let alone pronouncing it expressively.

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>>146062912
Oniisama e is from the 90's.

It's better than Wing

>>146063160
Almost everything would be better than wing.

>>146063097
>lazy
>despite having a shoestring budget even by 70's standards.
I went through like 15 random episodes on Youtube and fucked around with the seek bar. The show looks clearly above-average by 70s anime standards.

I honestly think anyone who says this has watched barely any 70s anime. Gundam is fucking gold as far as consistency of quality goes compare to Zambot 3.

>>146063256
>>146063097
Also for the record Zambot 3 is considered a classic and at least shines when Kanada takes over (though still looks very cheap). Now think of all the genuienly shitty 70s shows that people forgot and realize how silly it is to say 0079 looks "bad by 70s standards".

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Kai Shidan is my favorite character in any Gundam series. Also, the Guncannon is boss.

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>>146063437
Same.

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"0079 is horribly animated for its time" = "I have only seen the cream of the crop 70s anime"

I love when people post that one gif where they recycle and flip and animation horizontally as an example of "horrible animation" even though the actual animation is pretty great for a 70s TV anime.

Fist of the North Star did that too, in a scene animated by Toshiaki Hontani AKA "the guy that even his peers thought was insane and working too hard when he did animation for Akira".

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>>146063606
It is pretty amazing how all the protagonists managed to survive the end of 0079.

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>>146063437
Kai was the best part of Zeta and he was only in two or three episodes

>>146063707
*recycle and flip THE animation

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>>146063729
He became one stylish motherfucker in the years between wars.

>>146054954
It's great. There's some wonky animation, but it gets by on some solid art direction. The movie trilogy refines things somewhat (the third movie in particular is an improvement over its televised source material and is worth watching either way).

I wouldn't call it perfect, but it's a definite classic.

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>>146063035
Also
>being shocked by "cartoony kid, less-cartoony adult" when the two main characters of one of the most popular and iconic 70s properties are just that

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>>146063606
Fuck, I like this Amuro too.

>>146063116

Fuck off trying to quiz me, faglord.

>>146064284
the comedy animation on the dude in the blue zaku is awesome

>>146064367
I'm actually curious faggot. I plan to watch them after finishing the show.

>>146064447

>I plan to watch them after finishing the show.

Why do you give a shit what I think then? Fuck off and watch them.

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>>146064404
>blue zaku

>>146064284
I love the comedy with the Zeon pilot, but it is clear that Amuro is out for blood.

>>146064565
I have no experience with Gundam outside G, this is my first time watching a real Gundam.

Inb4 "newfag" I've downloaded anime online for over a decade, I just glanced over the 'real robot' genre in general.

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>>146064915
Oh, I thought you were telling an old joke/meme.

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>>146065059
It's really interesting to experience something so iconic for the first time and have "ah, so THAT'S where that reference came from" moments

>>146064284
>40 fucking years of Gundam and Amuro is still the most inventive in fights
why are Tomino storyboards so much better than everything else?

I really like SEED Destiny, SEED, 00 Season 2 and AGE.

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>>146065900

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explain this

Gundam 79 is a good story told in the worst way possible

You should instead read Gundam the Origin, and watch Zeta afterwards

>>146065655
Yeah, it can be really strange when you see such an influential series when you's known so many references to it.

>>146066619
I found the original parts of Origin to be pretty bullshit and unnecessary but otherwise it's a good retelling.

>>146066619
I've seen enough to know that "the worst way possible" is bullshit

I'll read the manga after I finish the show

>>146063437
He is very witty
A motherfucker who can survive through everything

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>>146066971
And by this I mean a bunch of the scenes I've seen in the first 2 episodes and webms or gifs like >>146064284 (along with my aforementioned skimming of various episodes) look like something that would only work properly in animation even if it's low budget animation.

I know Yasuhiko is a great manga artist and likely makes it work great in another medium but it's just a different type of experience; I want to go through both.

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>>146067213
Not to mention I quite enjoy the music.

>>146067213
>a different type of experience; I want to go through both.
I think this is a pretty damn good attitude to have. Origin is definitely worth reading, but 0079 is also definitely worth it as well.

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>>146063807
>I wish i were you

Everytime

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>>146067406
And to add to it, color is another thing that can add to the emotion of the scene which manga also lacks.

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>>146067435

>>146067213
You do you, but the anime loses steam pretty quick. There's a wonderful story hidden behind an extremely repetitive episodic routine.

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>>146068144
"Extremely repetitive episodic routine" describes some of my favorite stuff though.

>>146067472
actually certain moments in The Origin are in color. It's usually the moments that really need it too.

>>146065858
>Amuro is still the most inventive in fights
That's not Uso.

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>>146069826
Fucking this. I have yet to see any pilot top Uso in terms of creativity.

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>>146067213
IIRC, the first episode had some amazing animation, especially a rain of shells from a Zaku's weapon that have real weight to them has always stuck with me.

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>>146071172
Since when do beam sabers work like that?

>>146065900
I know this is bait, which is why I'm gonna ask what the fuck is wrong with SEED's first season and 00 Season 2?

Age and SEED Destiny are horseshit, but cmon.

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>>146071316
Since they decided it worked like that.

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>>146071348
S1 of Seed is fine as a remake of 0079, but all the most interesting characters die. I really enjoyed it.

>>146071512
I don't think I'll ever watch Seed because I don't want to stare at those designs for an entire series

>>146071316
It's Usso, don't ask any questions and just marvel at how good he is at killing people.

>>146071316
they do, I've seen plenty of beam sabers and I work often with them

>>146054954
>What is your opinion on the original Gundam TV show?
It's outdated, didn't age well either in animation/art or characters/story

>Does the good outweigh the bad or vice-versa?
The bad definetely outweights the good, there are way too much super robot moments for whatever "serious" shit that Tomino was trying to tell. I don't blame him because I know he was forced to but it still lowers the quality of the entire thing.

And the characters might have been new or something at the time but nowadays we've seen them a million times and better. The same for the story, the appeal was that it had more "war" stuff than other mecha shows, but nowadays we've seen more serious stuff in mecha.

Honestly, just watch the 3 movies and move on to Zeta.

>>146063437
>>146063606
>Keeps a rifle under his seat just to keep blasting at Zeeks

Kai is one of the three good characters in the entire anime.

>>146054954
Obviously shit hadn't aged well, but it is "required" watching if you want to get into all the juicy UC stuff.

>>146074301
>And the characters might have been new or something at the time but nowadays we've seen them a million times and better.
>The same for the story, the appeal was that it had more "war" stuff than other mecha shows, but nowadays we've seen more serious stuff in mecha.
From most of those similar stuff you've described, 'better' and 'serious' should be applied rather loosely.

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>>146057536

>>146067327

Gundam music is almost always fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKCCNMyKNJc

>>146066847
This. Origin has great art, but everything it adds is tedious and unnecessary. People are better off just watching the anime, especially if they want to follow it with Tomino's sequels or other UC stuff.

>>146054954
The animation is bad but the fights are still better than a lot of Gundam. I'll never understand why people prefer Zeta. I prefer 79's plot to Zeta's miserable and often nonsensical attempt to have a deep story and characters.

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>>146078752
I'll watch and read both.
>>146075662
See, that's what I mean about different mediums. Manga can't afford to do stuff like that too much (or even crazier stuff like Yusuke Murata's "keyframe" manga scenes) or else it'll just waste entire pages. It works there in adapting a pretty iconic sequence but it wouldn't work if you did it constantly.

For example, I really like the way the Gundam gets up here in episode 6; I can't actually show it through a screenshot because it's a fluid motion with too many frames to just image-dump. It would absolutely not be worth doing animation-like paneling for it, as it's a pretty small, quick thing - but it's a nice detail.

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>>146079193
I do like how the manga did the Gundam standing up for the first time scene

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>>146079261

Anyone else fucking hate how they deliver exposition in Gundam? It's one thing to be vague and have information about the universe be slowly delivered to you through natural dialogue but Gundam feels like it's intentionally trying to confuse you. They constantly name drop shit like we should already know what they're talking about and it gets even worse in Zeta where some characters would just change the name of something off screen without telling the audience or giving any indication of what they were talking about.

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>>146054954
It's good
Watch it

>>146075662
>swinging upward
>not just swinging at the cockpit
Why Amuro?

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>>146079055
>The animation is bad
An anime show definitely wouldn't have as many blatantly rushed drawings as this today, along with the sometimes silly reused animation. But if you're able to consume an old piece of media while comparing it to other works of its time, Gundam has a bunch of moments of competent-to-outright-good motion especially given its obviously low budget.

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>>146079800

>>146079671
It's not that hard to follow in the original Gundam. Just pay attention
>>146079750
Amuro's a cocky fuck. He wanted to let that Gouf pilot know he beat him instead of just immediately killing him. Revenge for his humiliating initial defeat

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>>146057536
>Zambot 3
>badly animated
Lies. It's the Akira of 70s robot cartoons.

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>>146079832
This isn't very solidly let alone mechanically drawn, but the motion is great.

>>146079055
Zeta is somewhat miserable and depressing, but it's hardly nonsensical.

>>146054954
That's the single best fight in the series, prove me wrong.

>>146079901
By 'miserable' I don't mean that it was depressing. I mean that it was a failure.

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This is good character animation by any standard; so is the bit at the end here >>146064284

>>146079856
See, this is the kind of stuff people who say 0079 was badly animated for its time have no fucking idea even existed. And once again, this is a classic, Tomino-directed show that everyone remembers fondly. If you bring in the average show from that era that no one even remembers you'll find even worse things.

I enjoyed it, but man could the earth/whiny people segments have been trimmed.

>>146079945
Then you're still wrong. It's heavy-handed as Tomino tends to be, and there's a solid 5-10 episode stretch that drags a bit, but it gets its story and ideas across.

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>>146079970
To be fair Zambot 3 had a really garbage budget from what I've heard.

>>146054954
I watched it for the first time a few months ago. The good definitely outweighed the bad, it's great.

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>>146080124
The Kanada episodes are good, as are some other scenes; but even the Kanada stuff screams "this is made cheaply and quickly". Still, it's really fun to watch because it's fucking crazy what he could pull off given the deadlines and resources.

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>>146080199
I mean, compare this to the TV animation the US was shitting out around that time and it's pretty great. Probably made with far less money too.

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>>146080249
>gurren lagann ep 15 reference? tomino confirmed for bro

>>146080046
It gets the ideas across but it fails to actually utilize any of the basic potential those ideas had. Just look at Recco's interesting plot turned "lol i need a dick"

>>146080311
>"lol i need a dick"
I've not seen G-Reco but can you elaborate on what this means

>>146080343
Sorry, Reccoa not Recco.

>>146080311
I think that description is generally true of G-Reco, but it's not true of Zeta.

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>>146079970
This scene is more about good storyboarding than animation but I thought it looked cool

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>>146080529
Actually now that I look closer at it, I like the animation too.

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>>146080608
I'm glad someone else giffed this because I'm too lazy to make webms and it's a really well directed scene

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>>146080763
I like all the shots from the perspective of the cockpit to be fair

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>>146080796
This is pretty cool

>>146078752
>but everything it adds is tedious and unnecessary
Personally for the most part I think the additions are only about as "tedious and unnecessary" as any elements shown in the "other UC stuff" you've mentioned. While I don't think the manga is perfect in all aspects myself (and especially not a replacement for the TV series), I believe it still very much stands strong on it's own despite said flaws and is definitely just as much worth a reading as 0079 TV is worth a watching.

>>146074301
>Honestly, just watch the 3 movies
Aside from the 3rd movie, NOW there's something just worth watching the TV series over.

>>146080311
That's a pretty lazy and reductive look at Reccoa. She was a lifelong victim of abuse and manipulation, and ultimately finds herself victimized and manipulated again in a desperate grab at validation. The way this funnels into her behavior at wartime is myopic and destructive, yes. But that's kind of the running thread between various characters in the series. The way Katz serves as a reminder of the dangers of romanticization of war, or Char's indecisive identity problems, or Kamille's impulsive indignation. Like a lot of Zeta's characters Reccoa is an extreme personality in an even more extreme situation, and the mess that follows maintains fidelity to the concepts that drive the story. The myopia is the point. It's why the series (and Tomino's Gundam in general) are all about UNDERSTANDING.

>>146080912
Anon I understand what they were trying to do with Reccoa. I get what they were trying to do with all of Zeta's mostly terrible characters. I'm saying that they failed to execute it well.

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>>146080869
And this too

(Call me out if any of the stuff I'm posting is exclusively from the movies because I've not finished the show and I don't think movie-exclusive scenes should count)

>>146080968
Good for you, I guess.

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>>146080970
This scene is great from a visual perspective (well, the last shot I didn't cut out because I suck at webming not so much, but the rest)

How come 0079 has shit animations and quality while Zeta still looks fine and dandy for an 80s anime?

>>146081200
Because 0079 was made in the late 70s

>>146081200
Zeta has stiff and boring fights in exchange for having better animation.

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Here's that 'partly transparent face' effect Gunbuster did.
>>146081200
0079 looks above-average for a 70s anime.

>>146081164
>>146080970
>>146080869
>>146080763
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>>146080529
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>>146064284

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>>146081325
Also, 0079 was produced with no fucking idea of whether it was going to be successful or not. It makes sense that Zeta would have more money to spare seeing as Gundam was a well-established brand by that point.

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>>146081325
It took me maybe 5 seconds of fucking around with the seek barof an episode at random to find a pretty well done scene.

>>146054954
It started the whole thing.

And brought us Ai Senshi:
https://youtu.be/9Ux6K5L4IyU

>>146082079
This is a very "anime song" track but in the best way possible, I honestly love it.