ITT: Influential Anime/Manga

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That chart is missin some stuff.

>No sailor moon
>No monogatari
>No SAO
>No K-On
>No Madoka

Your chart is outdated.

>>145958724
>No sailor moon
Are you blind?

>>145958602
>putting NGE on the same chart as Astro Boy and Gundam
kek

>>145958777
Right, Didn't notice it at the bottom. It's my fault.

Osomatsu-Kun for slice of life?

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>one piece
>NGE

What did one piece influence? It's just dragonball with pirates

Death note is not on there? No Akira?

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>wan piss

>>145958724
How is madoka influential? If anything it takes influence from everything that's come before it.

>>145958602
One Piece didn't influence the industry nearly as much as Dragonball. Your chart sucks OP.

>>145958602

>no rurouni kenshin
>no studio ghibli movies

Haruhi = Modern moe/ Light Novel adaptation

>Nothing from Hayao Miyazaki

Seriously?

>>145958602
>not a single Dezaki anime

>>145958602
Creamy Mami is pretty much the mother of a lot of the modern magical girl tropes.

Also, Cyborg 009 anon.

>>145958602
Needs Boku no Pico.

>>145958602
Saint Seiya, Hokuto no Ken, and Ashita no Joe need to be there, for creating Battle Shonen as we know them.

>>145959150
What did he influence?

>>145959548
Nausicaa brought about high budget anime films in the late 80s.

>>145959548
Anno? Everyone in Japan?

>>145959622
No it didn't.

>>145959702
How?

>>145959150
TV anime and Anime movies are different in so many things that doens't even counts as one. From the budget to the length. Regular anime never did what Miyazaki could do... not even as tribute, but movies like Paprika did.

You need to put SDF Macross on the list. At the very least it pushed sunrise to include transformable robots in cartoons for like ten years or so.
Also remove one piece.

>>145959752
How what?

Anno considers Eva his version of a prequel to it, or at least that's what I've read.

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>>145960254
That makes sense.

>>145960404
Yeah, it really adds up.

Furthermore, there's his own work on the film, his desire to make a sequel to it, and of course his short film Giant God Warrior Appears in Tokyo.

>>145958602
>One Piece
What the fuck?
Also, you should probably rename it to just anime, since that seems to be what the focus is on.

>>145960404
Ideon also inspiried Eva and influenced a few things in gunbuster.

>>145960532
>Giant God Warrior Appears in Tokyo

Hah, I didn't know Anno made that. I know he directed that live action Cutie Honey movie though.

>>145959702
>>145960254
>>145960650
>anno was influenced by it, therefore it should be considered one of the most influential
>fucking space runaway ideon gets mentioned
This board is filled with idiots these days.

>>145960663
Yup, he also ran a tokusatsu museum exhibit.

>>145959235
Is there really a single Dezaki anime you can point to as game-changing individually? People just took inspiration from his directing style overall, as far as I know.

>>145960743
>It's okay to not mention an influential series that influences a series on the influential series chart

>>145960743
It's one of the most famous films from the must famous anime director of all time, and heavily influenced the creator of one of the most popular TV anime of all time. That doesn't necessarily mean it's broadly influential, but come on.

>>145960894
Not him, but that's not how it works, nigger. We aren't going to include every single thing that influenced anything on the chart, or else it'd never end.

>>145960894
Yes, it is.

>>145960943
Valid. I'd argue it's at least as influential as Slayers, for a start.

>>145959150
The man pretty much intentionally segregated himself away from the rest of the mainstream anime industry and did stuff in a different format, with a different directorial focus, than the typical model would (then or now) allow. He all but kicked himself off the list intentionally.

Was Macross the first show to introduce itano circus or did it just popularize it? I know it was in DYRL, but I don't remember any missile spams in SDF.

>>145961052
In long term influence, perhaps, but Slayers sparked a brief period of a bunch of imitators in the late 90s (or you could maybe argue it was just the first of a natural wave of that kind of fantasy, I don't know). I guess it'd come down to what type of influence we're going to count - does it have to be enduring, or does that kind of temporary burst qualify?

>>145961181
Both should qualify to some degree.

>>145961165
I just remembered the one in the daedalus attack, So there's that.

>>145958602
>one piece on the same chart as astroboy and dragonball
Is this a joke?

Where is Black Jack?

>>145958724
>K-On
It's descended from Lucky Star, but that doesn't belong on the chart either. If anything, Azumanga Daioh defined SOL in its modern form, but the genre already existed and wasn't really a "game changer" for anime.

You people really underestimate the importance of the Uchuu Senkan Yamato anime, a lot of directors and animatore cite it as inspiration.

>>145961742
>you people
Who? It's on the chart and no one has said anything against it.

Slayers was just an ecchi take on Lodoss Wars, should put that instead.

>>145958724
epic

>>145961799
Fuck I'm literally retarded and mistook it for GE999 because I'm on mobile and everything's so small.
Better kill myself now.

please make a flow chart of what influenced what


t hank u

>>145961806
>slayers
>ecchi
Kill yourself.

>>145961975
Kill yourself.

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>>145961975

>>145962033
Kind of weird how it skips right from Wings to FLCL.

>>145962133
Why so? The chart is for really notable animation only.

Here's the .psd file if anyone wants it.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/9l3brjglr27kel2/gamechangers.rar

>>145962192
Don't try and act cute.

>>145958602
Not quite sure about Ranma, Slayers, and One Piece.

>>145962258
>>145962133
Did you read the legend? I have to assume that that same core animation staff wasn't together on any of Gainax's projects in the interim.

Eh the lsit isn't too bad but there's some glaring omissions.

For example Kinnikuman is a LOT more influential than Dragonball, despite not being as popular. Kinnikuman actually pretty much invented how WSJ action manga functioned. It was the first to do long arcs centered around action, and also one of the first to pointlessly revive characters from the dead and whatnot. The structure of WSJ and the shonen manga scene in general changed drastically from Kinnikuman, but Dragonball took that formula and did something even better out of it, turning into a worldwide phenomenon.

Also Slayers was not even close to be influential outside of maybe popularizing the adaptation of light novels.

>>145962310
Ranma - First harem
Slayers - First female lead in a shounen
One Piece - Shit

>>145962391
>Slayers - First female lead in a shounen
Slayers isn't even a shounen, faggot.

>>145962404
Yes it is you fucking idiot.

>>145962258
>>145962358
It's about influential animation based on animator Toshiyuki Inoue's opinion.

>>145962391
Ranma is not the first harem series. One Piece is actually a lot more influential than it due to establishing worldbuilding and war arcs in shonen like it did.

>>145962358
Oh, sorry, I think we both misunderstood it. The red line indicates that the change has taken place, ie that with FLCL it's the new, whereas Wings and Nadia, Gunbuster, NGE is all by the same core group.

Even though Tsurumaki worked on Nadia and NGE, but FLCL is a good point to mark a stylistic jumping off point.

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>>145962453
>one piece is more influential than ranma

Captain Tsubasa and >>145959119

>>145962424
Nope, shounen is a manga demographic, only manga and manga adaptations can be shounen. Lurk more.

>>145962475
Oh, I see.

>>145962453
>Ranma is not the first harem series
Name one that came earlier.

>>145958724
Haruhi popularised anime metacomedy 3 years before Monogatari did. K-on didn't really add anything to the comedy or SoL as genres. Madoka didn't really influence anything either.

SAO is the only one that really deserves to be there, for causing this fucking immeanse resurgence in isekai stories.

>>145962424
>I am literally too new to know how demographics work
Kill yourself.

>>145962391
>slayers
>first female lead in shonen
I highly doubt it

>>145962391
>Slayers - First female lead in a shounen
[citation needed]

>>145962391
>Slayers
>shounen
It's an LN, retard.

>>145962677
You're the one disputing the claim, therefore the burden of proof is on you, idiot.

First female lead in a shonen, off the top of my head, Cutie Honey?

What about Hokuto No Ken?

>>145962704
No, in fact that's the exact opposite of how it works. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

>>145958602
The chart really needs some Lupin the Third.

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>>145962720
>cutey honey
>shounen

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>>145962391
>Slayers
Talking out of your ass

>>145962613
I dunno specific examples by name but Go Nagai did harem manga like a decade before Ranma but it was a LOT more pervy.

>>145962743
Not in this instance, idiot. What do you even expect him to say?

>>145962704
>I can say whatever I want and it's automatically true!

>>145962613
Urusei Yatsura

>>145962825
Until proven otherwise. Evidently you're not smart enough to do that.

>>145962807
I expect him to provide a reliable source, obviously.

>>145962767
He's right, though. It was published in a shonen magazine.

You kids need to watch more anime.

>>145962856
>urusei yatsura
>harem
Idiot.

>>145962767
It is, retard. And Slayers is not. Learn how demographics work.

Doesn't matter which was the first harem because Love Hina was the one that actually influenced the genre and gave shape to what it is today.

>>145962720
Going by MU, you seem to be correct for anime.

>>145958724

Also having Sailor Moon and Cutie Honey on there seems kinda redundant.

>>145962874
What's a reliable source? An ANN article saying it was the first?

He claimed Lina is the first female MC of a shounen; it's up to you to provide evidence that contradicts that, which isn't difficult. Idiots like you who fail at the most basic of debating skills are better off posting on MAL.

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>>145962895

Lum has the harem.

>>145962954
Sailor Moon is more deserving, especially with Devilman already there.

>>145962374
Eh, something "better" is subjective. I prefer the character's of Kinnikuman a lot more personally. Although, there's no denying that Dragon Ball made a much larger splash in Japan and overseas.

>>145962704
Sukeban Arashi you fucking dolt.

>>145962992
>He claimed Lina is the first female MC of a shounen; it's up to you to provide evidence that contradicts that, which isn't difficult. Idiots like you who fail at the most basic of debating skills are better off posting on MAL.
That's not how any debate ever worked, but anyway, people have already given contradictory evidence.

>>145962992
Are you drunk? Reading your post makes me wish I was.

>>145962859
>Whatever I say is automatically correct!

Slayers fags once again prove how delusional they are.

>>145962954
I don't know, I think they're both very influential in separate periods.

>>145962992
A claim made with no evidence can be dismissed with no evidence.

>>145958602

Is One Piece on there due to its World Record or its gigantic sales?

It's definately a noteworthy series no doubt but I wouldn't call it a "game changer", it's just a really big player.

>>145963021
Yes it is. You still haven't answered what a reliable source is for this claim.

Then again, you're stupid.

Replace Slayers with Love Hina.

Ken Akamatsu's influence killed the harem genre by making 90% of subsequent male leads post Love Hina complete wimps.

>>145963120
ANN would be more reliable than a random anon, sure, but still not that great. A paper or Japanese news articles describing it as such would be better. Not that it matters, since again, people have already given accurate contradictory examples, as well as pointing out correctly that Slayers isn't a shounen.

>>145963120
If I clam the sun is green, I'm the one who has to either prove or convince that to people, it's not the rest of the world's job to prove me wrong.

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>>145963182
>he needs a journalist to help him confirm claims on 4chan
You are a legit imbecile.

>When two parties are in a discussion and one asserts a claim that the other disputes, the one who asserts has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim.

>>145963005
>>145962704
Cutie honey actually.

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>>145962391
>Slayers
>shounen

>>145958602
>no Ideon
>no Kaze to Ki no Uta
>no Rose of Versailles
>nothing associated with Kazuo Umezu or Shotaro Ishinomori

>>145960875
The chart says anime/manga on it so I don't see why it shouldn't mention RoV. Regardless of Dezaki's involvement the manga made a pretty huge impression on the Japanese during its publication.

But it's not like OP even fucking understands what they're saying because if they did shit like gojinko monogatari and akira would be included

>>145963394
Nobody in this thread knows what they're saying, to be honest.

>>145959079
>>no rurouni kenshin
What.

>>145963394
>ideon
Idiotic evafag detected

>>145963255
>ANN
>journalism

>>145961301
I don't think any one is ascribing quality.

What exactly is one piece responsible for inspiring?

>>145964230
Pirates of the Caribbean. You didn't think they actually got four movies out of a fifty year old ride.

>>145964230
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyr7Ymbtl2Y

>>145964230
Somalians.

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brought NTR to the general masses

>>145964230
>Best selling manga of all time
>no influence
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Doesn't Ashita no Joe hold influence as one of the earliest critically acclaimed Sports anime that bothered to put as much effort into its animation as it did with its character development? It also speaks wonders of the era Joe grew up in, really drawing in commentary about fighting for tomorrow when today is filled with despair.

>>145964516
It's also one of the most referenced anime if all time.

>>145964445
You might notice that of the top ten best-selling manga, only one is on that chart.

>>145964516
>animation
What the hell are you on about? Joe's animation was mediocre at very best. Do you mean visuals overall?

>>145964445
>no examples of anything that was influenced by it
>avoiding the original question
????

>>145964516
>anime
The manga was much more widely popular.

Post more influential manga!

>>145964588
The fights had great animation to them, especially for the time. I guess the aesthetic of the show as a whole was solid, but the matches had a lot of effort poured into them.

>>145964440
Kill yourself.

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>>145964653
>Post more influential manga!

>>145964653
But it was Dezaki's debut, and also the first good TV anime.

>>145964653
Hana Yori Dango
Drifting Classroom
Kaze to Ki no Uta
Bakabon or Osomatsu
Probably something by Azuma Hideo, I don't know.

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What was the first anime that ushered in the VN adaption fad?
Was it pic related?

>No Naruto and Bleach in the OP

Sure thing man

>>145958602
you forgot the citizen kane of manga: shin takarajima.

>>145964832
>the first good TV anime
I liked the Kimba dub when I was like ten, fuck you.

Ring ni Kakero set many of the shounen battle manga tropes that everyone still copies today.

>>145958952
and dragon ball is just hokuto no ken with kimono

Just because something came first doesn't mean it's the most influential of its kind.

>>145963105
Mother fuckers forgot about Dre

http://mediag.jp/project/project/images/JapaneseAnimationGuide.pdf

>>145965054
Are you going to be more specific about what you're referring to, or just leave that vague statement floating there?

In terms of manga:
Shin Takarajima
Astro Boy
The Heart of Thomas
Harenchi Gakuen
Ashita no Joe
Akira
Urusei Yatsura
Ring ni Kakero
Dragon Ball
One Piece

>>145964832
I dunno, I feel like >>145958683 was more influential on Japanese society than Ashita no Joe.
As far as Dezaki anime goes.

>>145965230
Yeah probably, but their was a generation raised on Joe, it was huge.

>>145962647
>this fucking immeanse resurgence in isekai stories.
That's mostly the English publisher's fault.

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>>145965230
There was a real life public funeral held for Rikiishi.

>>145958602
Azumanga Daioh is pretty influential I think.

>>145964832
>and also the first good TV anime

I thought what I saw of Goku no Daibouken was fairly good, at least stylistically.

I also liked Sabu to Ichi's anime adaptation too, even if the manga is still obviously the definitive experience.

>>145964230
I don't say directly, but commercially, adventure series like Rave Master, Fairy Tail and Magi surely had some influence from One Piece scenario. Editors are not stupid. See, before OP, the main manga from magazine was GTO, and the main from Sunday was Conan.

Aesthetically, the author of Boku no Hero has a bit of Oda. In fact his art looks like a mix of Oda with Toriyama. The goofy expressions, the bodies, etc.

>>145965230
I think you're overestimating Ace Wo Nerae's influence on Japan compared to leading Gekiga manga like Ashita no Joe or Kyojin no Hoshi.

>>145962647
>>145965420
> this fucking immeanse resurgence in isekai
What fucking immense resurgence? Including SAO, I count ten TV anime in 2012-2016, as opposed to seven in 2007-2011.

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>>145965606
Oh, fuck me, you guys were talking about anime specifically. My fault, should have read the entire conversation.

I'd still hold that Ashita no Joe's anime adaptations are more influential than Ace Wo Nerae's.

>>145965631
a mediocre Kobayashi intimidation but now in animation!

>>145965487
And there was a correlation between the popularity of Ace wo Nerae and the tennis boom of the 70s in Japan.

I'm tellin ya, EVERYONE ate up that shoujo shit. Not to mention the impact it had on directors.

>>145965812
ace is good?

>>145965838
It's very good. I recommend it. Although, there's no subs for S2.

>>145965812
You're not wrong, and it did inspire things, but there's more references to Joe in random anime than pretty much anything else.

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ok for real, can anyone name a soundtrack prior to Giant Robo(1992) that brought such an important and powerful score, it really revolutionized BGM, which I think is apparent with the late 90's having such stellar soundtracks

>>145965694
But people complain about it ten times as much now, that must mean there's ten times as much!

>>145965928
Now this is completely subjective.

>>145965928
Uh, Gunbuster?

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did Claymore revolutionize sameface?

>>145965928
I really like Captain Harlock's and Mobile suit gundam's soundtrack.

>>145965897
I've seen tons of references to both shows, to be honest.

>>145965928
I think as far as revolutionizing BGM, Lupin III Part II is a definite contender.

>>145965897
If we're counting references as influence then I think we need to include Glass Mask.

Was SEED influential, or merely successful?

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>>145966394
Oh yea, solid pick anon.

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It seems a lot of Dezaki work ended up being influential.

Sasuga master Dezaki.

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>>145965812
To my knowledge, Ashita no Joe had no real impact on the actual boxing scene of Japan, but it did have political impact in Japan because of the fact that it and other Gekiga manga were such a huge thing for the Dankai Generation of Japan. Like the infamous story of when the Japanese Red Army hijacked an airline enroute to Korea and announced:

>We are Tomorrow's Joe!

And like others have pointed out in the thread, Joe was a huge deal for an entire generation. He was an anti-establishment icon for many in Japan.

Though I don't think it's quite debatable who seems to have had more influence in the anime/manga mediums. Nearly every anime nowadays goes for the cheap and easy reference of the Ashita no Joe 2 ending, same with the Cross Counter in manga.

ZnT for the current state of the LN battle harem industry? Or should that technically be IS?

>>145966618
But notice that the each of his adaptations already had highly successful manga.
Manga is more appealing to the masses.

FLCL popularized the OVA format.

>>145966718
I'd say it was IS, although I suspect battle academies are on their way out.

>>145966835
Pppffftt

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>>145966835
>FLCL popularized the OVA
Hmmm

>>145966838
Ie senpai OVAs will revive it.

>>145966835
*the 80s

>>145966893
StB's not a battle academy though.

>>145966957
It's close enough.

>>145966835
>this is the type of idiotic newfag that now posts on /a/

>>145958602
Was Jojo not influential?

>>145962391
The first female lead in a shounen is Cutie Honey.

>>145968252
Yeah, I guess it is.

Hana Yori Dango for ruining shoujo.