Who was in the wrong here?

>>145745268
No one. The point was Saber didn't have any conviction or self-awareness.

>>145745268
>Mongrel
What did he mean by this?

>>145745507

mongrel

Definitions of mongrel
noun
a dog of no definable type or breed.
a lovable mongrel puppy
synonyms: cross-bred, of mixed breed, half-breed, interbred, mixed

>>145745268
I barely remember this scene but probably Gil because he's shit.

They were all wrong. They each embodied a specific aspect of being a king, but there was almost no crossover. They talked shit at Saber because she took her self-sacrifice to the point of martyrdom and only thought of others whereas they both had that selfish pride that put themselves first.

>>145745797
>he barely remembers the best scene in the whole thing and one of the few cases where an anime features good characterization that isn't interrupted by constant inner monologues and other tropes of the medium

>>145745268
Saber obviously

It's a meaningless scene where three characters discuss vague notions of "kingship" that don't effectively line up with any ideology or political spectrum.

>>145745268

No one. Each was a product of their own times and beliefs.

I wish they made Alexander younger, he was only 32 when he died and he is almost always depicted as clean shave.

>>145746830
reminder that Gilgamesh and Alexander should swap designs

>>145745268
All you need to know that women are always wrong so saber is.

>>145746895
I would argue, but your supporting evidence so far seems flawless.

>>145746895
>>/pol/

>>145746895
>.t Shinji

>monarcucks

>>145746944
More like /r9k/.

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OTP

>>145747034
You have a nigger for president who will soon be replaced by a mentally hill woman. Who are the real cucks?

This isn't really good caharcterisation, in only serve Urobuchi pseudo-philosophic bullshit. It's not characterisation if it's necessary to the narrative structure and the way characters are dipicted here is just to tell the show nihilistic blabble it want to tell.

Also, Saber was the one supposed to be in the wrong. There no reason to debate over that with this scene alone as its obviously biased against her. Yet, all of them are arrogant idiots not realisasing what that the war they're taking part in is fucked up and that none of them is gonna win it.

That is simply what Urobuchi did in all his show, use the characters convictions against them to beat them to ground.

>>145747329
>Also, Saber was the one supposed to be in the wrong. There no reason to debate over that with this scene alone as its obviously biased against her. Yet, all of them are arrogant idiots not realisasing what that the war they're taking part in is fucked up and that none of them is gonna win it.
But that's characterization you idiot.

>>145746933
>>145746944
>>145746986
Why are they so many women on /a/?

>>145747430
>You need to be a woman to be averse to making a massive generalization and treating it like absolute truth.
As a man can you please no insult men like this.

>>145747329
>caharcterisation
I don't even

>>145745906
Calm down. The whole scene was simplistic Iskandar masturbation and Saber's characterization was retarded, Urobuchi didn't get her at all

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Call me what you want but I have no interest in reading VN, none whatsoever.

That being said, is Fate Zero the only anime adaptation of the Fate series worth watching? I watched Stay Night and it was the worst anime I've ever finished.

>>145747413
No, making a character a fonction for the story is exactly what characterisation isn't, you dumbass.
Don't speak about what you don't even understand.

>>145747657
>is Fate Zero the only anime adaptation of the Fate series worth watching?
Yes.


Secondary.

>>145745268
No one was wrong. Iskandar is the most retarded out of those three though.

>>145747587
No because an actual man wouldn't take such a post seriously.

This is how i know you're a women getting triggered.

>>145747657
UBW is better. Not the movie, the UFO table.

>>145746895
This post is best post.

>>145747430
Not women, just a bunch of pussies.

No one, it's just opinions. Saber is most pathetic because she wanted to change the past, meaning she doubted her own job as a king, which is both laughable and offensive to the other kings.

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>>145747740
You can't handle a bit of banter m8? What kind of shitposter even are you?

>>145747745
UBW is garbage

>inb4 "secondary"

>>145747329
>>145747697
>caharcterisation
>characterisation
>realisasing
>characterisation
Is your z button broken?
>fonction
And are you in France?

>>145747740
Sorry I thought I made my response very joking, and it would be obvious.

>As a man can you please no insult men like this.
>I would argue, but your supporting evidence so far seems flawless.
I thought these two statements would be silly that it would be obvious.

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>>145747826
It's better from a meme image standpoint.

>>145747851
silly enough*

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>>145745268
>Iskandar's empire fell apart after his death
>Camelot was destroyed while Saber was king
>Uruk continued to exist long after Gil's death

You tell me

>>145747745
That's the one I watched. It was pretty. But it was also very trash. Guess I'm done with Fate then.

Zero is one of the best animated works of all time though.

>>145747657
>Call me what you want but I have no interest in reading VN, none whatsoever.
Then forget the series exists, is that so difficult?

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>Zero secondaries

Every time

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>>145748135
>Reading 50+ hours of chuuni garbage.

Every time

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>>145747329
The entire scene is literally pic related. The point is that while none of them is exactly wrong, they all think too narrowly to really be right.

Saber "loses" the argument not because she's wrong in any objective sense, but because she's having a crisis of self-confidence.

>>145745268
Iskandaru is the only right one.

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>tfw I've been gone from /a/ so long that I'm oblivious to this secondary thing.

Is it another form of "seconded"?

>>145748135
Zero will always be better than some fap bait eroge and highschool kids fighting in a war.

>>145748315
>am i fitting in now?

>>145747984
HF movies should be good

>>145748315
>it has sex so it's bad

America pls

>>145746672
Only proper answer.

>>145748314
A "secondary" is someone whose first exposure to a story or franchise is through an adaptation (typically the TV show) rather than the original (in this case, the VN).

If I'm not mistaken, it originated in Touhou fandom.

>>145748314

This >>145748315 is a perfect example.

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Superior Artoria stopping, she destroys humanity and isn't afraid of anything.

Zero is so edgy and mature. CONQUEST AND VIDEOGAMES XDDD

>>145748369
The sex in F/SN is terrible in a way that has nothing to do with morality.

Saber because you can't just call yourself a king because a tart threw you a sword

>>145748272
I almost got baited into reading Fate VN after watching Zero, I soon realized that that shit wasn't for me.

I get that it sucks seeing other people bandwagoning without staying true to the source. I feel that way when /mu/ calls Kanye West's MBDTF album a masterpiece when Late Registration was clearly his opus. But at some point you have to accept that a good medium will enter a point where its fans become polarized. If anything I respect Fate for playing the field.

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>>145748465
Are you suggesting that supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses?

>>145748274
>Saber "loses" the argument not because she's wrong in any objective sense, but because she's having a crisis of self-confidence.
This. Her idea of what a king should is just as flawed as Gil and Rider's.

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Reminder the only good Type Moon anime from Ufo is KnK.

Saber. Saber is always wrong

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>>145748465

>>145746883
This, except Alexander doesn't need pointy ass hair

While Gilgamesh kills lions with his bear hands, so he should be huge

>>145747967
>inherited a globe-spanning empire
>left behind a city-state
The worst of the three.

>>145748465
Shut up you filthy peasant

>>145747631
Fai!!!!

>>145747329
>pseudo-philosophic
I hate how this term gets thrown around. Why is it always so clear to you where it's real and where it's psuedo. How is a discussion of how should a king rule psuedo philophical? Such a useless term.

>>145750421
Philosophy I don't like is pseudo-philosophy.

Saber was wrong. Gil was right

Nobody realized the wrongness of monarchy and the perfection of communism so technically, they were all wrong.

>>145750743
Communism is shit

>>145747737
How did he win the most without relying on "muh fairies" bullshit or "muh walls"?

>>145745268
All of them, they should have just spit roasted Saber.

>>145750743
fuck off herkz

>>145747329
Holy shit what a garbage post. That air of arrogance while being completely retarded. It's unparalleled.

>>145751203
Just like Gil.

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>>145745268

I like Saber and don't like Gil, so he was in the wrong.

>>145745906
>Best scene
You mean the most pretentious. Like this shit surpasses the Kara no Kyoukai: Epilogue level of pretentiousness.

>>145747329
Fai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>145745268

>>145747631
And nasu did?
He made her a moeblob in Stay Night.

>>145745268
i dunno lol

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Goddess Artoria did nothing wrong.

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Nero also did nothing wrong

>>145752721
>made her
He literally created Saber in stay night faggot. And that's where she receives her entire caratherization.

>>145747631
This, butcher really butchered saber's character in fatezero

>>145752721
He's the creator of saber moron, what is your point?

>>145746944
You mean /r9k/

>>145752721
>the creator doesn't get her character
Anything else you want to tell us, anon?

>>145747631
What didn't he get?