They were all wrong. They each embodied a specific aspect of being a king, but there was almost no crossover. They talked shit at Saber because she took her self-sacrifice to the point of martyrdom and only thought of others whereas they both had that selfish pride that put themselves first.
>he barely remembers the best scene in the whole thing and one of the few cases where an anime features good characterization that isn't interrupted by constant inner monologues and other tropes of the medium
This isn't really good caharcterisation, in only serve Urobuchi pseudo-philosophic bullshit. It's not characterisation if it's necessary to the narrative structure and the way characters are dipicted here is just to tell the show nihilistic blabble it want to tell.
Also, Saber was the one supposed to be in the wrong. There no reason to debate over that with this scene alone as its obviously biased against her. Yet, all of them are arrogant idiots not realisasing what that the war they're taking part in is fucked up and that none of them is gonna win it.
That is simply what Urobuchi did in all his show, use the characters convictions against them to beat them to ground.
>Also, Saber was the one supposed to be in the wrong. There no reason to debate over that with this scene alone as its obviously biased against her. Yet, all of them are arrogant idiots not realisasing what that the war they're taking part in is fucked up and that none of them is gonna win it.
But that's characterization you idiot.
Call me what you want but I have no interest in reading VN, none whatsoever.
That being said, is Fate Zero the only anime adaptation of the Fate series worth watching? I watched Stay Night and it was the worst anime I've ever finished.
No one, it's just opinions. Saber is most pathetic because she wanted to change the past, meaning she doubted her own job as a king, which is both laughable and offensive to the other kings.
You can't handle a bit of banter m8? What kind of shitposter even are you?
Sorry I thought I made my response very joking, and it would be obvious.
>As a man can you please no insult men like this.
>I would argue, but your supporting evidence so far seems flawless.
I thought these two statements would be silly that it would be obvious.
It's better from a meme image standpoint.
>Iskandar's empire fell apart after his death
>Camelot was destroyed while Saber was king
>Uruk continued to exist long after Gil's death
You tell me
>Reading 50+ hours of chuuni garbage.
The entire scene is literally pic related. The point is that while none of them is exactly wrong, they all think too narrowly to really be right.
Saber "loses" the argument not because she's wrong in any objective sense, but because she's having a crisis of self-confidence.
>tfw I've been gone from /a/ so long that I'm oblivious to this secondary thing.
Is it another form of "seconded"?
A "secondary" is someone whose first exposure to a story or franchise is through an adaptation (typically the TV show) rather than the original (in this case, the VN).
If I'm not mistaken, it originated in Touhou fandom.
Superior Artoria stopping, she destroys humanity and isn't afraid of anything.
I almost got baited into reading Fate VN after watching Zero, I soon realized that that shit wasn't for me.
I get that it sucks seeing other people bandwagoning without staying true to the source. I feel that way when /mu/ calls Kanye West's MBDTF album a masterpiece when Late Registration was clearly his opus. But at some point you have to accept that a good medium will enter a point where its fans become polarized. If anything I respect Fate for playing the field.
Are you suggesting that supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses?
>Saber "loses" the argument not because she's wrong in any objective sense, but because she's having a crisis of self-confidence.
This. Her idea of what a king should is just as flawed as Gil and Rider's.
Reminder the only good Type Moon anime from Ufo is KnK.
I hate how this term gets thrown around. Why is it always so clear to you where it's real and where it's psuedo. How is a discussion of how should a king rule psuedo philophical? Such a useless term.
I like Saber and don't like Gil, so he was in the wrong.