Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1636

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>>145709260
japanese is god
kansaiben is the devil
なんでやねん

オッス

>>145704811
>protagonist's one character trait is that he likes food
>annoying overly cheerful character (生徒会長)
>annoying overly cheerful sidekick

I mean you can do this with anything
>Daitoshokan
>protagonists one character trait is that he likes reading
>overly annoying cheerful blonde character
>overly annoying unpopular-with-girls sidekick

What's important is whether or not the VN is good, and Daitoshokan, and Flyable Heart, are both very good VNs.

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>>145709260
Posting an update once more before getting stuck into working on converting the notes.
The Basic, Intermediate and Advanced pages now have their interactive table of contents. Unless there are any major oversights or minor improvements that could be done, I'll probably be spending the next few months working on the notes and not really poking into these threads. Here is an example of a concept entry that already has the concept note image converted, for an example of eventually how ever entry will appear: http://bunpou.neocities.org/基本basic.html# 間・あいだ(に)

The site has a feedback and comments link at the bottom, on the front page. If you have any comments, ideas, spot and typos, etc. please don't hesitate to use the form. While I probably won't be checking these threads, it's a google form so I'll get an email when someone posts something.


http://bunpou.neocities.org/

>>145709455
http://bunpou.neocities.org/%E5%9F%BA%E6%9C%ACbasic.html#%E3%8A%A6%20%E9%96%93%E3%83%BB%E3%81%82%E3%81%84%E3%81%A0%28%E3%81%AB%29

anyone wanna just sperg out and argue with me

英語でも日本語でも構わないぞ

when I die, I want to be buried with my anki stats

>>145709483
俺の日本語を改正するくれるなら会話あげるよ、孤立君

>>145709420
ちわー

>>145709483
日本かぶれクズ出て行け

xth for you cant learn Japanese

>>145709679
でも私できるですかだようね？

>>145709679
出来れば出来るほど出来るようになる

sorry for the really noob question, but i'm just wondering - what's the best method of learning kanji right now? through anki, or through a textbook like heisig's one (and if it's through a textbook, which are the best textbooks? i can't get kodansha's one though :( )

thanks!!

>>145710154
Wanikani

>>145710154
let the kanji flow through you

>>145710154
Do you want to just be able to read it or actually write it?

>>145709260
Thank you very much. I just got out of Japanese 1A in college and really confuse what to do next - til i see this thread T_T！ありがとうございます。

>>145709605
何の意味もないだろ
相手のセリフを書いてるなら

>>145709642
ただの悪口大会とか別に興味ないし

>>145709679
＋１

>>145710154
just google kanji alphabet and learn them from the pictures theres only a few of them

>>145710252
and then into the toilet

>>145710520
>tfw 2 (You)
アリガトウ、ファンパイ

>>145710196
Thanks :)

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>>145710520
>just google kanji alphabet and learn them from the pictures theres only a few of them

what the buck up everybody I learn and remember the romaji instead of writing the damn shits

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>>145710559

>>145710586
shhhhhh

>>145710580
>trying to memorize all romaji
Not even native Japanese know them all

>>145710586
romanji isnt really a great way to go itll just make your life harder especially on spelling tests where you have to spell 続き and 外れ correctly or go to summer school

>>145710672
it's no harm just remember if you're paying for romaji lessons you're probably getting ripped off...

>>145710672
but I'm having fun typing romaji

its ok as long as fun is involved right?

>>145710714
>its ok as long as fun is involved right?
どうでもE

>>145710672
What is so hard about that, romanji differentiates づ and ず with du and zu respectively, also じ and ぢ are ji and di respectively as well.

>>145710714
>its ok as long as fun is involved right?
this thread is long mired with regrets and self-flagellation from personal misunderstandings, its hardly the place for fun
if you are having fun, its because you already know japanese and are here for gratification in teaching

tfw in japan and still struggling

>>145710778
tfw not in japan

>>145710778
Where in Japan?

>>145710738
わたしわかくです

>>145710520
いや意味があるぞ、俺に
改正以外に他のヌルポ書いたらもいいよ

>>145710820
please write watashi in kanji pls or use "ore" I beg you anon

>>145710850
ワタクシ

>>145710778
Tfw not in japan and not struggling

>>145710820
>tfw
isn't it suppose to be は instead of わ

>>145710850
余は貴様の言うことを聞かん

>>145710795
a manga cafe in tokyo.

struggling is relative tho, my speaking has improved but my listening, vocab, and (kanji) reading are gwtting nowhere without active study

>>145710850
和多氏

>>145710977
Just find some desperate gaijin hunter to carry you around and baby you.

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>>145710888
nice and checked
one of us is gonna make it lads

>>145710714
in djt where posting is laid back and not a big deal so that you can do it at your leisure fun is ichiban (that means number one in nihango)

>>145710762
as the first guy to be sentenced to summer school you have the right to the 主人公の席 if you want it

>>145710826
今ここで新しいミームを作りまっしょい

ヌルポスティング

>>145710850
空閨

>>145710888
tfw gay

>>145710993
how?

>>145711056
just be white and go to shibuya

>>145711101
>tfw not white

>あ！ご飯の準備してこないとなので、切りますね

>>145711101
k ill go now and report results

>>145710404
both? i feel like i remember better after i write things out, anyway so..
the srs anki method hasnt been working out for me, unless i should be doing more then just looking at the words and trying to remember what it looks like and what they mean. i've opted to write it out instead (e.g. when i can't seem to get the word correctly, i write it out a couple of times and it becomes easier to remember) because i feel like i have better retention that way.

>>145711321
If you want to do both, grind through the flash card, but also learn the stroke order and write it a hundred times each following that stroke order everytime.

Muscle memory is how people remember to write kanji.

>>145710520
>>145711007
空行ウザイ

>>145711374
顔ウザイ

>顔ウザイ
Hahaha

>>145711007
おぉそれは気に入る、とっても高等なミーム気がする
俺もこれを使うとしよう

>>145711553
Haha I saw that one too, he really got him there damn, I like the part where he goes ウザイ

>>145711553
>>145711646
?

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>>145711653

It has been months since I last opened Anki, I have lost the habit.
It took a while to get into the habit and now I'm out of it I fucked up.

I might have to reset everything and start from the beginning.

>>145711342
thanks! also, what's the best settings for the anki flashcards? or the most optimal setting that most people use? because i've just been using a variation between Eng(front) -> Jap(back[with Kanji, kana]) and Jap(front[with Kana,Kanji]) -> Eng

not sure if that's the best method of doing it though so if you (or anyone, really) could give me pointers that'd be great.

thanks!!

>>145711705
there's no shame in starting from zero, if you have the motivation, you'll pick things back up quickly :)

>>145711759
Ruthless

>>145711618
遠慮せず存分に使ってやれ

>>145711705
just skip anki and go to japan youre probably ready to just get laid 24.7 by thirsty ladies who wanna worship some import dick

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>>145711705
>I might have to reset everything and start from the beginning.
Don't do this, it's a massive way of time.
Take a week to power through the reps. Do a batch of 100 every hour.

I recently did the same with 3000+ pent up reviews. It's easier than you might think.

ざわ..ざわ..

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>>145711705
>>145711938
And here's my review count. 7 days is all you need.
As you can see I took it a bit slower in the beginning to get back into it.

I feel like I'm having a lot of trouble with having grammar I learn actual remain in my head after I'm done studying. How do I fix this?

>>145712301
Read more.

>>145709455
I haven't come in /djt/ for a while, nice to see some people have been working to help everyone, thanks for your help anon. 頑張ってくださいね。

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>>145712339
/thread

Do you guys think I can learn katakana and hiragana in one week? This certain japanese company accepted my resume and I'll have my beginner test in a week. They gave me materials though.

Trying to translate a sentence and I'm not sure how these 2 words go to together:
別に嬉しくないし
Is it just something like "I'm not particularly happy?" or is there more to it?

>>145712395
"read more"

>>145712395
OR am I reading the definition wrong and it's more like "I'm not really unhappy"?

>>145712301
Keep practising it, I am constantly going doing a the quizzes on http://genki.japantimes.co.jp/site/self/site/js/
I'm only just starting to get to grips with grammar.

>>145712386
If you're mentally disabled, yes. If you're a normal person you can do it in 3 days.

>>145712395
３．５・１０

>>145712386
Yes it's easy, look at a mnemonics chart and drill it in, you can get rusty Kana in a day and never forget it after a few days practice.

>>145712427
>>145712450
Oh so it's easy as fuck then, i'll try my best. This japanese company seems to pay well

>>145712450
>mnemonics chart for kana
Just drill it in please.

>>145712508
Faster and easier with mnemonics which you'll naturally forget about once it's in your head.

>>145712301
Instead of just memorizing a rule, try to look at lots of example sentences and find out why it works this way.

DOJG usually has lots of examples.

>>145712530
>tfw still haven't forgotten the one mnemonic I used for す 11 years ago

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>>145712701

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>>145712701
>11 years ago
ちょっと待って

>>145712701
>11 years ago
wew lad, are you a grandmaster in japanese now?

>>145712763
still sub N5 who believes he's N4

>>145712763
>>145712760
american public schools don't go very fast

I didn't study much in college either so add a 3.5 year break

>>145712760
i think if you were gonna say nothing else ちょっと待った woulda been more dramatic and funny

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>>145712786
I expect nothing more from /djt/ really.

>>145711101
>>145711260
well i dont know what was supposed to happen exactly but nothing did

>>145710977
Did you go for Comiket, or is this the end of your Obon vacation?

My speaking is shit but everything else is fine, so exact opposite.

>>145712883
Yeah you're dragging the average down pretty hard

>>145712905
Go sit in a coffee shop with some compelling content and ask random Japanese girl what this word means you don't understand while pointing at ロリコン

>>145712935
sick burn, senpai

>>145712926
ive been travelling for 3 months in other countries, and this is te start of three months in japan with the goal of language immersion. but im beginning to realise im gonna have to study real hard to make the kind of progress i want regardless.
comiket was awesome though.

>>145713012
my fave part of comiket was the trashy cosplay and the general smell of ass and balls

>>145713050
so it's like every convention ever?

>>145713050
what about the early line?

>>145713012
If you only have three months, you should completely abandon learning the written language. You can still use the pickup line of "how do you read this kanji?" though, but you'd be better off sticking to tinder/hellotalk and slumming around various bars (okay, just Hub) looking for gaijin hunters or other foreigners who feel alienated because they can't speak to anyone outside of their bubble. Shibuya and Shinjuku are the best places for meeting drunk people who want to show off their English, but of course it'll get old fast. Do check out a few bars in Shinjuku's Golden Gai though, they're used to tourists.

Really though, if you were able to get into a manga cafe for the night, you managed a bit better than most beginners that I know.

>>145713050
My favorite part are all the lolicons from /a/ and /jp/ I befriended, they were the true treasure all along.

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>そのかん
>そのあいだ

Which is right? Is there a difference?

I'd always worked under the assumption that 間 was read as あいだ　when not part of a compound, but anki just threw up 間, read as かん, with the example sentence starting そのかん.

>>145713140
I hate to imagine the awkward silences in between people interjecting tired, overused memes as well as feigning interest in each other's hobbies to an exaggerated extent with that one autist who tries to correct minor inaccuracies in your speech

>>145713234
actually most peeps that you meet outside in the streets are more chill offline than their text appears online

>>145713140
im not a beginer really, im at the level where i can hold a basic conversationif someone talks reaaaaal slow for me and a little worse with reading.

what is this Hub?

>>145713189
either one is fine

>>145713297
British pub that's basically just a foreigner bar. They're everywhere in Tokyo, and they're largely shit if you've been to actual bars, but if you're stressing for friends, you might make some. Japanese girls are usually pretty, but the ratio is usually skewed towards guys. I'd say go on a Fri/Sat and see though, if you have money to burn. Half pints are only 400 yen.

>>145713234
You realize other people aren't mindless NPCs, and are, you know, actual people, right? I've never dealt with that hs anime club shit, but it seems like such a boogeyman concept. Internet people are real people, it's hardly a sekrit club anymore.

>>145713423
You're a chad and you don't even know it

tzz tzz tzz...

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>mfw I mined 160 new vocabulary cards today

I'm not learning Japanese, but could somebody please just translate what this means?
手伝おうか
thanks.

>>145713493
I'll help you out, I guess.

>>145713423
would you say nightlife is a waste in general unless weekends or is tokyo more like a constant nightlifr city?

>>145713234
Welcome to the Telecommunications Field. If you wanna get those Cisco bux you get used to it.

>>145713493
>>145713516
With the か being there, wouldn't it be "could you help me out?".

.t someone who's halfway through tae kim

>>145713493
"Should I help you?"

>>145713568
It's what you make of it, really. I basically live in Kabukicho so I'm used to 24/7 life here, but I vastly preferred life in the countryside before I moved here.

Lively bars and clubs generally stay open till 4-5 am, so people can make the first train, but you're gonna have to have some cash to spend to last that long, and honestly? If you can't find your way into that scene already, it's not for you. It's not for me either, but the occasional beer and 3 am ramen is nice.

You probably shouldn't compare it to London or Hong Kong though; Tokyo's a tourist destination, but for most of us, it's just a place to live and work.

>>145713595
The ~おう form means "let's help out", but with the か it's more like "Shall I/we give you a hand?"
It's hard to say with so little context, it could also be someone talking to themselves thinking "I guess I'll help out too" or whatever.

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>>145713464
>mfw I mined 161 new cards
Try to keep up, please

手うが

>>145713732
流行らねぇよ

>>145713763
でもなんか・・・
アリじゃね？

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リア充全員堕落しろ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNp_zIr5TFs

How do I get raws of stuff I want for free
Nothing of the ancient shit I want to read is scanned

>>145714125
Trade it in for green paper.

>>145714125
comico
syotetu
aozora bunko
gangan online
Comic ZEROSUM
Tonarinoyj
COMIC IT
Kurage Bunch
Comic Earthstar
(for those who like BL) BLove and BL-Novel Club

>>145714196
I want tank scans and nothing I want is digital or ongoing

>>145714229
Use Share? Perfect Dark sometimes has some golden olden stuff on it.

Sometimes the files are just empty or plain not what they say they are.
It is a little obtuse to set up but there are plenty of instructions online for how to use it.

>>145713234
>awkward silences in between people interjecting tired, overused memes as well as feigning interest in each other's hobbies to an exaggerated extent

that makes me even more hesitant to get a mic; nobody really gives a shit do they

How do you test your proficiency?
I don't mean JCAT, I mean something like a online quiz or test.

I can't just sit and read a book, I need tests where I can attempt the questions and then check against the answers.
I can't do this with some things because If I do it too often it isn't testing my comprehension just my ability to remember the right answers for that particular test.

>>145713283
I wouldn't want to meet 99% of the people on this board in real life.

>>145713423
>You realize other people aren't mindless NPCs, and are, you know, actual people, right? I've never dealt with that hs anime club shit, but it seems like such a boogeyman concept. Internet people are real people, it's hardly a sekrit club anymore.

You're not convincing me that the meetup wasn't exactly like I described

How many months in should I try jcat?

It's just multiple choice right? I don't think I could write something by myself yet

>>145714546
>I mean something like a online quiz or test.

JCAT

>>145714578
That is useless to me, I need something that tells me where I went wrong and that I can do again and again (if it has enough variation that is)

I know what I would get from JCAT, I am only strong with Kanji and Vocab recognition and would likely fail grammar and everything else.

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>>145713963

>>145714546
You mean exercises? Genki has a workbook and you can find the answers online as well if you look for it. I haven't read Genki though so I can't say anything about the quality and such.

>>145714630
Visualizing Japanese Grammar has some exercises, though I never did them, I only watched the videos.

>>145714708
>and you can find the answers online
There's an answer key as well, which if you're pirating Genki you probably will get with it, and if you are buying it is only like ￥600 or something.

>>145714965
Yeah that's the one I meant.

何のために日本語覚えるの？
字幕無しでアニメみたいの？

おにいちゃんのおちんちんみせて?

>>145714546
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pan78z20w4o3xjn/Pregrado%20Japones%202015.pdf?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x5unxhr07olc466/Respuestas%20Posgrado%20Ingles%20y%20Japones%202015.pdf?dl=0

>>145714912
ミサワはほんとうに腹がたつ

>俺のこと目指してんのか?

目指していない!

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>>145715150
大きなお世話っすにゃ　

>>145714630
read more

>>145715150
私の初射精は日本の女の写真を見ていた最中でした。
それから夢中になった。日本人や日本語よりエロいことは断じてない。

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>>145714708
>>145714965

I'll have a look at the Genki workbooks, Thanks.

If anyone has sites or workbooks that have exercise I could really do with them,

>>145715185
Oh those look interesting, Thanks anon.

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>think Japanese looks cool
>like the look of the language for aesthetics
>want to learn it
>"maybe /a/ knows", find /djt/
>turns out there's three different alphabets
>the alphabet that's used the most isn't the cool one (katakana I think it's called, the angular one)


Should I still learn japanese? The only thing I'd use it for is reading untranslated dōjins and maybe games.

>>145715513
>kanji isn't angular
What are you smoking anon?

>>145715513
Just fucking learn it.
http://realkana.com/

>>145715513
Japanese requires perseverance.
You should be deciding based on whether you have the sufficient motivation to learn Japanese, after all you are going to spending an hour or so everyday, hours every week to learn.

As a hobby it isn't a bad one to be honest, as long you are an organised person and enjoy it.
Too many people here do this as a form of self punishment it seems.

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>>145715513
The vast majority of manga scanlations are done by fucking stupid blind idiots who fuck up the meaning of the text in their "translations" and sometimes make it mean the exact opposite. That's not even taking in account the ridiculous amount of manga that aren't fully translated or that are stalled for years on end. If you care at all about enjoying manga you would learn Japanese.

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>>145715513
>>145715731
Also it's the same with games, many "translators" just ignore the original meaning and insert whatever the fuck they want and pass it off as a translation. Pic fucking related.

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>>145715513
>think Japanese looks cool
I think it looks kind of ugly. It's like pic related

>>145715731
Everytime with these manga translation mistakes there's しか in it.

Entered advanced volume of DoJG. I do know あえて already but here is where I actually will start seeing some grammar I don't already know. Thanks DJT for sometimes promoting this deck, it is very helpful for both the sentences and the explanations of the grammar.

>>145715819
Read mo- Oh, no problem

>>145715775
Holy shit now I'm hungry.
Hungry for Japanese and sausage

>>145715771
>>145715731
Well I don't want to be cucked, but I couldn't even learn German... Is the op link all I need to start learning Japanese?

>>145715799
what is that image senpai?

>>145715912

/DJT/ is always hungry for sausage

>>145715975
>cucked
Kill yourself.

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>>145715975
>couldn't even learn German
Taugenichts

Just started Anki, how many fucking different ways of saying numbers are there? Fucking stupid

>>145715975
German is harder than Japanese. The hard part about Japanese is the vocab and writing system, but its consistent and the grammar is nice. German is a shit-fest of stupid grammar rules and exceptions. Its not only easier but more fun.

>>145716220
shut the fuck up retardo

>>145716261
no u
Why don't you go suck on 11 small animal dog penises fagget

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>>145715975

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>>145716246
It takes an English speaker much longer to reach proficiency in Japanese than German though. Being bad at something for a very long time is how I would define hard.

>>145716394
Why is Japanese harder than Mandarin? You don't have to deal with tones

>>145716394
Takes me 2 hours to do laundry, that doesn't mean doing laundry is more difficult than cooking a meal that only takes 30 minutes.

>>145716394
This doesn't account for the fact that Japanese has some of the best self-learning materials available, including the entire visual novel medium which when paired with a texthooker is basically spoonfeeding the language to you, along with a story and cute 2D girls that no other language will offer.

>>145715819
Oh shit あえて was literally the latest new card I got, we /advanced/ now?

>>145716502
I'm talking about how long it takes to become skilled. Cooking is harder than doing the laundry because you need to practice it for longer. The same goes for pretty much anything considered hard like playing the violin or drawing or skateboarding.

>>145716220
like two, i guess, sometimes just one

>>145715731
>I don't usually read shoujo manga, but I guess I can look it over. Let's see...

d-did I get it right?

>>145716612
I think looking at time required to become skilled is a fundamentally flawed way of looking at it. The process of becoming skilled at Japanese (or any other language for that matter) is fairly straightforward and simple, it just takes an investment of time.

>>145716246
>The hard part about Japanese is the vocab and writing system
Why do people keep spouting this fucking nonsense? If that were true Japanese wouldn't be literally the hardest language in the world for machines to translate.

>>145716637
>ordinal
>basic counters
>counters for number of days/days of a month
>counters for number of people
plus many many more

>>145716736
But the way counters work is mostly consistent. It's not like you actually have to learn a different word for "one" for each of them.

>>145715771
>戦う
>not imperative
>not potential
戦える with え dropped or set phrase? my mind is full of fuck

>>145716246
I'm kinda glad I got raised German and then learned English.
I imagine it would be really weird coming from English and finding out there's three genders for nouns and other useless crap.

>>145716685
"but I guess I'll look for one to read (out of these)"
探す in て form just means she first looks/searches and then reads

>>145716736
>one apple
>one pear
>one banana
wow so many ways to use one what the fuck

counters dont change the way you read the number

>>145716814
>I imagine it would be really weird coming from English and finding out there's three genders for nouns and other useless crap.
Fuck Europeans for putting that stupid shit into their language.

>>145716793
Probably supposed to be read as やる気

>>145716637
>いっぴき

いち
ひとつ
ついたち
ひとり
I don't think "one" was a good choice. Plus they like to mix up the pattern at least once or twice in every single fucking one of them. It's undeniably redundant and stupid (although every language has redundant shit).

>>145716888
>choosing 3 things classed under one category
pls

>>145717031
meant for
>>145716777

http://skypech.com/
http://chatpad.jp/
結果を投稿してください

>>145716715
The grammar is very simple, and follows rules very nicely unlike German. That said, it is very different. Once you know and get accustomed to how different it is, its becomes relatively easy though.

>>145717410
>tell person I'm not from japan
>see I made a mistake
>？？？
too はずかしい for me

>>145717031
Hence why I said "mostly" in my post. Congratulations on cherry picking one of the few bits of inconsistency.

お腹が膨れる位に精液出されて
でも初めての時より身体が…

>>145716394
Learning Japanese is like memorizing a long poem, it takes a long time, but pretty much anyone can do it with ease if they have the time.

Learning German is like trying to work out a complicated maths problem in your head, taking a terrible amount of mental strain and effort, but not much time.

I want to be able to understand my waifu.

>>145717798
>and follows rules very nicely unlike German.
Yeah, but unlike German the rules are vague as fuck. German has a lot of rules and a lot of exceptions to those rules, but even those exceptions have rules to them you can memorize. Being tedious is different than being difficult. German might be tedious, but it's the kind of language you actually could learn by anki droning for two years. Japanese is absolutely impossible to learn without natural input which you have to evaluate on your own in order to grasp the rules.

>>145717943
isnt it just 西洋人です
unless 人 in this case is always 'people' and not person

>>145716685
>d-did I get it right?
Nope, it's pretty much all wrong

>>145718232
>but even those exceptions have rules to them you can memorize
And then every couple of years we change them and have our teachers drill the new rules in school.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuerungen_der_deutschen_Rechtschreibreform_von_1996

There's more chaos here than you'd might think. Especially if you ask parents or grandparents for help.

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>>145715513
Don't do it.

>>145718525
And would you mind helping me learn from my mistakes?

>>145718632
>taking advice from a Japanese major

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いいか？よく聞け。
お前らは私をフォローしてる時点で私のフォロワーなんだ。
だから「きもい」だの「死ね」だのいう権利はまず無いんだよ。
分かるか？
お前らは私のフォロワーなんだ。
崇拝しろ。敬意を払え。

嘘ですごめんなさい
お詫びにアマギフ下さい

>>145718961
got me

>>145718961
誰だ？

>someone here STILL bullying /v/

why_tho.jpg

>>348473654

Would anyone know how one would one go about reading the kanji 蛇?
It is normally 'hebi' and used as 'snake', but after rewatching some Monogatari I caught the fact that it can also be read as 'kuchinawa' which is 'serpent'.
Are both completely acceptable or is there some kind of context or other kanji usually associated with it to differentiate.
I am assuming that if one was to read a sentence with the character out loud, they would most likely just say 'hebi'.
In a similar way the average english person would say 'snake', where as 'serpent' means the same thing but is a more poetic use.

>>145719138
hebi 99% of the time, the 1% of the time it's read otherwise there'll be furigana

>>145719138
There's like hundreds of words like that where you don't know the pronunciation because it could be multiple things.

>>145718585
I don't get what you're getting at by saying there's chaos - sure it was a lot of effort to adapt a massive amount of words to new spellings, but those changes were made in order to make the rules more accurate. The chaos got reduced. And either way, something like the rechtschreibreform isn't going to stunt your learning as a foreigner.

Like I get what you're saying and all, but the rules behind Japanese grammar are not simple. They objectively are not. The proof is the difficulty in creating machines that can use those rules to translate Japanese, like just look at the difficulty in explaining the difference between が and は. It's insane how so many people can call Japanese grammar simple, saying the only difficulty is the writing system, when even the very basics lack clear rules.
I guess the idea that Japanese is simple comes from the lack of complicated rules, which can be attributed to the fact that those rules are literally too elaborate to formulate.

>>145719138
It's the authors choice how it's read by using furigana. They could even put サーペント on top of it and it's fine.

Without furigana it's always へび

>>145716471
Tones are easy as fuck unless you're deaf.

Well maybe not easy, but I would put their difficulty as comparable to rendaku

>>145718760
i dont usually read anything but shoujo manga

reread the しか section. shoujo しか not read -> outside of shoujo not read

second half >>145716855

>>145719269
you're easy as fuck

>>145719138
"There's a serpent in my boot!"

>>145719103
知らないけど笑った

>>145716686
Same with any language. But Japanese takes more time. You can use your own definition of hard if you want but you have to understand that it's not the definition other people are using and just makes you come across as a pedant.

Memorizing large amounts of information is actually difficult under pretty much any reasonable definition of the word.

>>145719237
I really can't compare it since I only had to learn English and a bit of Italian before, but I really don't think Japanese grammar is much harder than what I had to deal with in Italian.

Maybe because there wasn't enough interesting stuff to read and watch in Italian.

>>145719297
>i dont usually read anything but shoujo manga
This was actually what I thought at first and then I just mind tripped myself ;_;

>>145719467
Japanese grammar is deceptively simple. Even something as basic as ている has much more to it than it seems at first.

>>145719467
>but I really don't think Japanese grammar is much harder than what I had to deal with in Italian.
If that were true anyone could translate everything Japanese after a few months of studying by using a dictionary. How do you explain the amount of mistakes in translations if the grammar is so simple? What's there to fuck up when you can look up every word you'd normally have to memorize?
You could learn the essential rules to Italian grammar in literally 2 weeks of self study and then start reading native material up to intermediate level by using a dictionary and googling verbs' conjugations. Japanese doesn't allow that. Why do you think that is?

>>145716685
It means she's read nothing but shoujo manga.

>>145719704
Translating is different from reading and understanding.

>>145719203
>>145719218
>>145719246
Thank you guys. I always love these DJT and people are generally nicer and more helpful than the rest of /a/.
Hope to be on here one day and be able to help people new to Japanese too.
Take care

>>145719766
Making a good sounding translation is, but if you read and understand it you aren't going to produce something completely wrong like the oens we are discussing here.

>>145719704
Koreans can, I don't really see your point :^)

whats the difference between あり得ない and 無理

>>145719766
Oh right, I'm sure >>145716685 and >>145715731 knew what was /really/ said, they just failed to put it into English words.
Yeah, no. Wrong answer. Try again if you have another great guess.

>>145719904
read
more

>>145719917
Sorry not an opinion, it's a simple fact. And nowhere did I say anything about those pictures.

>>145715706
>start a core deck
>terrible vocab / kanji retention
>switch to RTK
>kanji don't stick, and it's boring as fuck
>go back to core
>youcantlearnjapanese.xp3
>RTK again
>dropped after 1,2k kanji
>RTK again, a fuckton of reps piled up
>done with RTK 4 months after first picking it up
Self-punishment is too light a term for those 4 months. I felt like puking every single time I sat to do my reps, tired after a day at work. But it was necessary. After that I continued with the RTK reps as I read through TK's grammar, and went back to core. And this time grammar made sense, vocab stuck, and I was having fun learning Japanese for the first time. Finishing the 2k deck and starting mining on my own felt amazing in and of itself, but actually understanding the first few sentences of Harukuru was so damn worth those 9 months of self-punishment.

A man can only stumble for so long before he either falls or stands up straight, so to those of you who feel like they're going nowhere or have doubts if they can do it: you can learn Japanese. 生きてもっと苦しめ。

>>145720057
I used the inability to translate as a proof. You countered saying it's not the same. I provided an example.

Explain why the people in the examples managed to get it wrong despite having a PC and basic grammar knowledge (which is simple, don't forget)

Then again I say explain, but of course you can't, because you are wrong. Your off topic remark isn't wrong, but if you were trying to make an on-topic argument with it then you failed, because it provides nothing to either defend your point or counter mine.

>>145718632
What's the source on this? This is pretty good.

>>145720427
http://web.archive.org/web/20150424002439/http://soyouwanttolearnjapanese.com/

>>145720297
Welcome to 4chan where more than one person can join in on a convo and make a point. I recommend lurking more before making your next post.

>>145720638
>lurking
Does anyone actually do that? 4chan is really boring if you just read posts.

>>145720638
Your point was stupid and showed a huge misunderstanding of the conversation up to that point. Just like the point of the post I'm responding to right now.

>>145720944
No I'm pretty sure you're just gay and embarrassed right now for not seeing something this obvious. Please reflect upon your poor behavior.

>>145720638
That point was either wrong or irrelevant, depending where you were going with it. Want me to post it again, this time removing the references to the previous discussion in order to satisfy your autism?

Trying to watch fate zero with jap subs
All those archaic words and weird grammar
Fuck me I tought it would be easier after watching guilty crown like this

>>145721046
I wasn't the one arguing with you I'm just telling you you're stupid. Not gonna post more and get trolled. Just figured you should know that it's everyone who thinks you're an idiot, not just one person.

>>145721046
hey man, different people can join conversations and thats obviously a different guy, please keep that in mind okay newfriendorino?

>>145721109
No you are the idiot gaylord!

>>145721102
>archaic
why do nip learners love to overuse this word so much

it's like anything they didn't learn in genki is archaic

>>145721142
>I was just pretending to be retarded!

>>145721216
>I was just pretending to be retarded!

>>145721180
But it is
The ん form for volition is archaic

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/a/nons, help ;_;

>>145721046
>>145721109
Good show guys, good show. Really liked the twist at the end. When's season 2?

汝 means "thou", right?

>>145721236
Go slower, stopp studying new cards and when you have 100 or less reps a day start studying again.
Try to limit your every day reps to 100 or less, by limit I do not mean to use rhe anki function of limiting reps, i mean to add cards to reach 100 reps tops a day.
If they go over stop, rinse repeat

>>145721232
It appears in every other anime and VN. It is used by characters that are trying to talk fancy, but does not have any particularly strong association with specific time periods or anything. It's no more archaic than 木漏れ日

>>145721236
How many words is that? I saw other anons cramming reviews after slacking for a while but I'm not sure that's the best idea if you haven't done Anki in close to 2 years.

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>>145721236
虎穴に入らずんば虎子を得ず

>>145721386
depends on the standing of the people involved, their gender, the context, whether its night or day, the month and the color of their clothes

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>>145720832
>Does anyone actually do that?
No, that's why this site is dying. Welcome to Facebook 2.0

>>145721396
I asked japanese people on the net and said it was archaic.
I still encountered them when reading fate/tsukihime/mahoyo and tokyo necro (still reading it), but when listening i suck a lot.
I find hard to grasp relatives while reading, when listening it becomes a lot harder

>>145721386
No, it means stop playing persona

>>145721460
Thanks.

>>145721481
I mean it does originate in old japanese as does almost everything, but I suppose I just mean that like, everything people love to call archaic in japanese is used more than the most common things you might call archaic in English ("thou must") so it's really just slightly less uncommon grammar.

>>145721387
I was actually thinking of trying to power through them 2-3 hours a day. 100 reps a day would take a month or two, that's scary.

>>145721405
~2k kanji.
My vocab decks are spread out, somewhere between 3 and 6k. Maybe I should just blitz through core.
Seriously, I didn't realize how bad it was until I looked at the deck life stats. Holy shit, two years. I can still vividly remember taking part in these threads three years ago.

>>145721445
I guess.

>>145721677
Prbably to them archaic has a different nuance.
It still sounds hard to grasp when listening, thanks to the subs is easier, but the fact that there are no commas there makes me less able to understand clauses, i mainly read VN and not even that much

>>145721733
I would probably reschedule them.
I don't like Anki that much, but is indeed one of the best tool for me.
Try to noy burn out though, i did that 2-3 times and stopped studying completely many times

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could be worse considering I added like 90 new cards yesterday
Most of the trouble was with todays 30 cards

>>145721995
Isn't that a lot?
Do you just Anki?

>>145722068
>40 minutes
>a lot

>>145722068
I'm not even done since I have my other deck but yeah mostly anki
I'm learning chinese and just shitpost here because it's the anki general

>>145722137
300 reps 40 minutes
It take me 40 minutes to do80
>>145722172
I see.
Good luck with chinese

This is a warning to all neets, of which there surely are a lot of in this thread

do not become a wageslave

t. ex-neet

>>145722279
Thanks. Also I think it will kind of be interesting to have experience with trying a slightly modified "DJT method" with another language to see how it works. Or at least that's my あとづけ excuse.

Since I've observed DJT for a long time and all.

Anyway you probably shouldn't spend more than 10 seconds per card. Although I suppose you're probably the guy who writes everything or something.

>>145722279
I did 700 in 50 today anon. 40 minutes to do 80 is a lot of time. You really probably shouldn't be spending 30 seconds per card.

>>145722402
>>145722414
I use sentences (sometimes 2-3 in the same card) and write down some of the Kanji.
Also I use japanese definitionas and I try to strenghten my grammar while reading

>>145722397
Yeah no shit.

w-what's the decryption key for some of those mega links?

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>>145722397
>>145722593
馬鹿か？仕事のない存在は最低の存在です。就職しろ

>>145722397
After my 2 years in Japan I'll have to.
Sadly
UBI when?

>>145722397
I'll become a wageslave soon because you get like 200 more bucks that way than government welfare

>>145722638
そんなに仕事が好きなのなら結婚しろ

>>145722397
I'd rather kill myself.

>>145722638
働いたら負けだろ

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HELP

Why did all of the reading list links stop working

>>145723129
you've been hacked

>>145722638
働けば死ぬ

>>145723129
echo "できない" | sha256sum

on a command line to get the key

>>145718256
俺わ日本から来ませんでして日本をあまり話せますです

>>145722579
I see. I prefer to spend less time on flashcards and read outside. I'd rather read compelling content than spend my time reading a dictionary

>>145722397

I will repeat autismbux + living with your parents = best life possible.

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>>145723286
>ますです
田舎者か？

>>145723530
yeah and then your parents die and it's real fun

>>145723571
Well you'll have your inheritance at least, and when that runs out you can just kill yourself.

>>145723657
Yeah sounds pretty good. I too will be quite satisfied with my life the day I die.

Tried to browse the JPN Playstation store yesterday

Surprisingly I did pretty well video games are mostly Katakana it seems

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>>145723858
That holds true for ingame as well.

Is it normal that I feel like I'm only learning recognition by using the core 2k deck? I assumed that's what it's for (unless you write out every kanji as you learn it) because I can find the kanji while typing if I know the reading and I can learn to write specific kanji by hand only if I need to

>>145724157
Well mostly, if you want to learn production use English -> Japanese cards.

With core there's also the sentence audio to aid listening/pronounciation.
You can learn to write kanji too if you want to make that effort, no one's hindering you.

Phew I made it thru はなひらっ now I gotta figure out what to play next before the type 2 diabetes induced blindness sets in.

>>145723941
That's more cringey than full kanji names.

>>145724491
katawa shoujo

>>145724536
Kill yourself.

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日本人は可笑しすぎる

>>145724814
i hope they're being ironic

>>145723941
This must be what it's like to see a game where all the attacks are in romaji.

>doing Anki reps
>new cards all have to do with holding a job or looking for work
FUCK OFF

>>145722397
働いたら負けは冗談とか思ったかよ

>>145725433
>getting triggered so easily
Just think of cute girls looking for jobs, no one expects you to.

>>145725433
but you need them for the shows about cute girls doing work things like new game

>>145724157
>>145724470
I ignorantly swore by using core 6k for production all the time, because it was harder in the beginning with all the synonyms and unfamiliar sounds leading me to give incorrect pronunciations involved.

I switched to Recognition about 3k words in, just to prove that recognition was easy mode and not real learning. Turns out I spend about the same time per day, but my retention rate is higher and I'm focusing on the Japanese audio instead of trying to match words across languages.

My retention rate is really high, so it probably helped in the long run, but it really isn't the optimum way unless you're actually translating for a living, since you want to minimize the time you spend thinking in English anyways.

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> 7 months into anki with kanji, vocab and grammar
> about 1400 cards into each

so uhh... when will I be able to start reading stuff? I still feel like I'm encountering unknown shit 90% of the time

>>145725912
Never, you can't learn Japanese.

>>145725912
I'm already at 3000 at half your time, and have already completed a full length VN.

Try harder.

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Hi, I installed Daitoshokan but it won't boot up because it's not cracked. But, the cracker is in Chinese. If anyone could help me out I would appreciate it.

>>145725912
>7 months
>1400 cards into each
ニグロいったい何言ってんの

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>>145725965
"""""""""""""completed"""""""""""

>>145726006
Don't ruin Daitoshokan with bad Japanese.

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Dear anons of the /djt/

As you've probably noticed, I haven't been around a whole lot the past few months. The co-editor of the guide has been doing a great job for all that I can tell.

I've been going other directions in my life, and I don't think that it's appropriate for me to in charge of the guide any longer, as I've largely lost touch with this place and my interest in Japanese after two and a half years.

Hence, as of today, I'm leaving the guide in the hands of the laborious co-editor who has been taking care of it for a long time already. Ownership of the document has been put into her hands and I've given up my editing access to it.

I don't think there will be any need for this, but please do remember that you are absolutely free to create and modify copies of the guide, and to petition them against the current guide. The whole backend of the /djt/ is very loosely organized and run by various people, and ultimately all that needs to be changed is the OP which anyone can make. Nothing is stopping you from introducing change if you consider it to be necessary, either through dialogue or whatever other actions are possible through the means that 4chan (and the internet) provide you with.
I see that there are people making efforts for the good of others in this thread, please don't hesitate to become one of them.

Happy learning and さようなら dear anons

>>145713189
>that span (of time)
>that interval (of time)

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>>145726375
>and my interest in Japanese after two and a half years.
Another one down.

>>145726375
>modify copies of the guide, and to petition them against the current guide
time to make a wanikani version

>>145725912
>7 months
>1.4 cards

What the fuck are you doing 5 new cards a day?

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>>145726483
Pretty much, I can read all the stuff I want to read and watch the anime I want to watch. But my interest in anime and manga has been waning.
Traveling in Japan was quite nice though.

>>145726531
You wouldn't have had to wait for that until I'm gone. You were free to do that since ever.

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should I be reading my mangos in windows photo viewer or is there a better way?

>>145715771
>Also it's the same with games, many "translators" just ignore the original meaning and insert whatever the fuck they want and pass it off as a translation. Pic fucking related.
That's actually a good translation though. The translation given on the left side is only "more wrong". The guy is being bothered by the monster in the original scene. The highly literal translation on the left is such bad english writing that it would make me stop playing the game.

>>145726375
>her
I wouldn't entrust a job like that to a woman desu.

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>>145726740
She's been doing a far better job than I ever have when it comes to maintaining the guide since I don't know how many months already. I don't think there's anything to be worried about, and if there should be, refer to my previous comment regarding your freedom to make copies and to edit these copies.

Why does "shigatsu wa kimi no uso" translate to "your lie in April"? Is there a general rule for "<time> wa"?

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>>145726375
バイバイ ;_;

>>145726708
I use MMCE

>>145726664
Can I ask you how your trip in japan was?

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>>145726375
Have fun! Build a fully custom keyboard sometime.

>>145726249

"Don't ruin this, don't ruin that," they all say. I can't read a single visual novel that anyone gives a shit about because I'll ruin it with my insufficient skills, so I have to read nothing but garbage for a year or so, is that it?

I tell you what, buddy, I watched the first episode of the Daitoshokan anime when it aired, and the very first scene was of the protagonist falling on some girl's boobs. I don't know how the VN compares but it's probably no masterpiece.

>>145726934
???

>>145726934
ローマ字やめろう、チンピラヤツ。

>>145726708
I pack them into a .cbz and read them with okular. It automatically remembers where I left off, I can scroll it like a book and there's not much clutter in the program.

>>145727025
>"Don't ruin this, don't ruin that," they all say. I can't read a single visual novel that anyone gives a shit about because I'll ruin it with my insufficient skills, so I have to read nothing but garbage for a year or so, is that it?

You'll have nothing but garbage to read for the rest of your life, that's the path you chose when you started learning Japanese.

>>145727025
>but it's probably no masterpiece.
It is though. But if you're really a year in and have completed many other VNs, go ahead. It just shouldn't be one of your first ones. Also you're obviously not looking good enough, plenty of fantastic easy reads like Eustia.

>>145725965
>>145726617
You can't even learn English.

>>145726985
Thanks, I'll give that a try.

>>145726375
Thanks for all the work you put into it and thanks again for adding my introduction bb

>>145726617

15

I had to tone it down because it was giving me like 100 reviews per day

I'm going to have to lower it again because I'm forgetting a bunch of shit and they're starting to pile up again in spite of doing it daily without fail

>>145727120
>plenty of fantastic easy reads like Eustia
>>145703244
>I would recommend waiting a bit on Eustia, it's so fucking good you want to read it smoothly and appreciate it's beauty, not be interrupted with vocab lookups constantly.

>listening to DJT advice

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>>145727120

>But if you're really a year in and have completed many other VNs, go ahead.

Well I can't anyway because I don't know how to use the cracker, but I've only read two so I'm still upper-beginnerish in DJT terms, I suppose.

>Also you're obviously not looking good enough, plenty of fantastic easy reads like Eustia.

I think I see what's going on here.

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>>145726664
>Retarded fucking weeb gets a wake up call that Japan is a place of business and not his stupid fucking animu

Good riddance faggot you learn this shit to play Vidya earlier then the rest of the world not move to Nippon and live your fantasy.

>>145727323
How is 100 reviews a day a lot? How long does it take you?

Can someone help me translate this?
手うが

>>145727323
Change your anki settings a bit. For example if you fail a card let anki put it at 20% of it's last interval instead of a total reset.
That way you can work in new cards and the ones you half know but get wrong once in a while won't take up so much of your reviews.

Also maybe add in one more stage for new cards, so that you have to good them 3 times instead of 2. That helps me remember them better initially.

Play around with the settings until you're comfortable with it.

To the American autist shitting up the threads:

Stop.

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>>145727323
>100 reviews
別にいいじゃね？

>>145727505
"The pleasure of being cummed inside"