Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1635

おすっ

Hand hold me RIGHT NOW.

>>145676865
That's disgusting anon

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How long are the Fureraba character routes? I'm on my first sex scene and not really enjoying anything.

>>145676063
You don't need particles to attach ある to the 連用形 form (楽しく). That's why it's 楽しくない and not 楽しくじゃない.

The optional （は） there is also possible with the casual negative. 楽しくはない and 楽しくはありません are valid and have their own nuances to them. You would never say 楽しくではありません, though.

>>145676959
All moege are shit and almost all of them get even worse once the common route is over. Go read Oretsuba instead

>>145676954
Do I do RTK meanings then learn the readings through vocab or just fuck meanings and learn readings?

>>145677123
Just try Core and if it's too hard to distinguish kanji do RTK or radicals.

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>>145677140

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I did it guys, I'm finally all cought up again.

>forced yuri shit
Yeah, fuck off to >>>/u/

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>>145676861
ちわっす
>>145675808
>>145675984
>以外と
>not 意外と
But yeah I misread the last part regardless

>>145677357
/u/ haters are the most permanently butthurt people on the board

>>145677342
What the fuck

>>145676995
I just covered the difference between 形容詞 and 形容動詞.
I just didn't see one of pages, I have now gone over it and understand.

>>145677429
I like cute girls, I like yuri

I don't like MAI OTP IS GAY spammed everywhere. Yuri threads on /a/ are image dumps with little to no content and anime threads with yuri shipping get the same treatment. This isn't a sfw yuri board it's an anime board.

>>145677446
What you see here is the surge in power you get by doing 手うが before every review session.

>see image i remember seeing on /djt/ months ago
>surge of memories from writing shitty japanese and giving wrong advice
>no one ever corrected me
On one hand I'm glad I'm at a level where /djt/ isn't necessary to my studying anymore, on the other hand I feel bad for graduating and letting the cycle continue

>>145677560
>Yuri threads on /a/ are image dumps with little to no content
Image dump threads are the only good threads.
Surely you don't actually enjoy arguing about waifus like an autist?

>>145677884
Why would you come to /a/ for an image dump when you can just go to danbooru?

>>145677884
The autistic thing to do would be to save images solely to post and never talk about as if posting them meant you were interacting with someone.

fuck dykes op

>>145677833
>giving wrong advice
I always knew I shouldn't trust you guys. Always arguing over what's wrong or not. Hell that N5 level question posted a day or two ago got a bunch of incorrect responses.

Is stackexchange a good place to actually get solid advice on language?

>>145676865
な、なんか変なもの言うな、アノンのエチ！！！

>>145677621
its not 手うが you need to learn japanese but 天佑が

>>145678054
Go to lang 8 or something, anywhere you can consult with a native speaker instead of JSL yotsuba veterans

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俺の大学はアニメ部がある
入るのはやだけど気になる
見苦しい女ばかりそう
俺のＪＡＰＡＮＥＳＥ　ＳＫＩＬＬＳで感動しようか？

I want to try out mimicking a sentence to form my own.

高い買い物を買わせてすみません。
Sorry to make you pay for expensive shopping.

Is this grammatically correct, I based it off sentence I found:
長く待たせてすみません

I am wondering If I said:
高く買わせてすみません。
It would be understood through context? is it strange then to say 高い買い物? would that be over emphasis?

>>145678054
That was yesterday.
I am studying from textbooks and little of imabi/kim tae
I think at the basic level at least DJT is helpful, I can't really speak for intermediate and above grammar etc.

I want to go to study Japanese at university for the benefit of having someone with credentials to teach me or at least access to a network of people who know what they are talking about.

>>145678054
>Is stackexchange a good place to actually get solid advice on language?
Yea there are some native speakers there.

>>145678299
こんな日本語では無理です。

>>145678299
しょうもないけどしょうがない

>>145678299
You could speak incoherent sentences and they wouldn't know the difference, so yeah probably

>>145678349
Try an italki tutor. One-on-one attention, cheaper, don't have to leave the house, and no tedious busywork like with a college class.

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>>145678380
ＥＳＬの方は永遠だ

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Kanji were a mistake.

>>145678719
haha yeah that is a bunch of kanji

crazy!

>>145678719
Yeah fuck kanji i only read long strings of hiragana, imouto where you at i need my reading practice for the day

>>145678349
Both of your sentences are grammatically correct. I would say 高く買わせて is better because 買い物 is more commonly something you する than something you 買う.

I would probably say something like そんなにお金をかけさせてすみません, myself.

I can read kana rather fluently now.
Do I learn grammar now, or do I gather vocab first?

>>145678700
お前は英語が出来無ければ、日本語も出来無いよ。

>>145679096
Both at the same time

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>>145678719
A month ago I would have agreed with you but now どうでもE

>>145679111
あぁ、思わないから抜かりした
ＪＳＬということだね

>>145678719
Ranma 1/2 is great.
I brought a PC Engine Ranma 1/2 game and was pleasantly surprised at how good it was, fully voiced and nice story.

I found an online version if you are interesting:
http://www.emuparadise.me/PC_Engine_CD_-_Turbo_Duo_-_TurboGrafx_CD_ISOs/Ranma_Ni_Bun_no_Ichi_-_Toraware_no_Hanayome_(NTSC-J)/149900

You use ootake to play it.

>>145678943
きょうはいもうとがこない
けどあたし、びっちいもうと、がいる
おにいちゃんのちんぽをすわせて

>>145677361
>not 意外と
It's not

>>145678950
why not 男なら全部払うべきだ。お詫びなんて必要ない

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>>145679629
so anon didn't mean

今日は意外と早かった
Today was unexpectedly quick

まじで ？

>>145678950
Thanks for the help.
Thinking about it, you are right I often see 買い物 with する I don't know why it didn't dawn on me.

>>145679839
No that wouldn't make sense. I'm dumb, 昼寝します

>>145678054
>Hell that N5 level question posted a day or two ago got a bunch of incorrect responses

I never posted an answer, but I thought it was に. An anon said that, that was a second language learner mistake. Is the sentence still grammatically correct though?

弟は部屋に掃除をしました

>>145680167
I think it just means something else, hence "second language learner mistake".

>>145680167
"grammatically correct" is not actually the right question to ask when learning a language.

"I flew in new york" is perhaps grammatically correct but is completely wrong when you obviously want to say "I flew to new york"

>>145680228
Yeah that's what I meant. Still grammatically correct, but a different meaning.

choose the grammaticaly correct answor

俺（　）日本

を
の
が
は
で

>>145680393
わ

>>145680167
I thought it was を since I thought the room was the object of 掃除をしました but I have now learnt it is の, 部屋の掃除をしました。

I'm slowly digesting Japanese grammar, I feel like I am horribly slow at this.

>>145679691
日本人らしくないな、それ

>>145680557
それにしても正解があります

>>145680393
ぱ

>>145680451
It doesn't matter how bad you are at answering questions like that as long as you can understand what sentences say when they are given to you. That stuff comes with reading

>>145680966
顔が光ってる
顔は光ってる

if you dont understand the impossible to explain difference between は and が how can you know what is being said though

>>145680772
正解でも正解ではないものもあります

>>145681197
There are different levels of understanding

>>145680393
の

Bought it myself.

>>145681266
みんな拍手

>>145681197
It's not impossible to explain, just complicated, は and が have some clear differences.

In most cases it's a shift in emphasis, like in your example.
With が it's important that it's the face that's shining, but with は the important thing is the shining.

In some other cases it's more obvious. When you identify an unknown person for example.

fuck it maybe ill just do 100 new anki cards today i'm getting impatient

>>145681266
どうもどうも

>>145681608
This is how burnout happens.

>>145681608
This is how not remembering any of them 4 days from now happens.

>>145681197
顔は光ってる is actually a really unusual construction. It only gets 11 search results on Google, whereas 顔が光ってる gets over 50,000.

>>145681197
Not every sentence gives you an opportunity to make a terrible mess of it by misunderstanding the difference.
Making the は・が mistake in your example sentences won't make you get the facts wrong.

The opposite case is also nice, if you bother to reread the sentence and figure it out. You make a factual mistake that gets revealed at some point, and you can return to the sentence to figure out your error.

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This picture ruined translated manga for me.

>skip reps for one day
>ONE DAY
>literally can't remember anything today
Kill me.

>>145682037
There's a reason for Anki being a meme you know, and you found it right there.

Man FUCK 上

This kanji is designed to fuck up vocab drills.
>more than half a dozen readings
>used in over 1000 words
>virtually identical readings and writings with completely different meanings
I mean, it's pretty simple to read it correctly in context but when 上がる shows up in Anki it has no context, and I've since learned well over a dozen different meanings just for that verb.

>>145682037
That's why you should bulk through new cards only once a week, it allows for more flexibility.

>>145682189
Just get high and review, everything will be 大丈夫.

>>145682020
How does something like this happen?
Do they just hand a dictionary to a monkey?

彼女なしの時あの感じ

>>145681888
but why

>>145682018
see post above you

>>145682189
see post 上 you

>>145681719
>>145681792
I'm gonna do it and you can't stop me!

I'll do it 10-20 new cards at a time though

>>145682020
I posted that the other day but I think that there is a good English translated version of Nozaki-kun but that was the one I found.

But yeah reading something translated is always dangerous because it's not like they're speaking and you could tell by the Japanese that the subs don't match. I know I was watching Gunbuster and they completely changed the script in the preview section of the episode. Really jarring to listen/read to.

Remember to study everyday kids so that this doesn't happen to you.

>>145682285
They might have known how to read Chinese and guessed on the Japanese grammar. I was watching a playthrough of some vn that this Chinese person translated and some of the things were horribly wrong. Grammar's important too, you know.

>>145682189
Anki has its uses and memorizing all the meanings of 上がる context free is not one of them

>>145682189
上がる just means to move upwards, don't overthink things.

Is "betsu ni" Japanese for "I am worst girl"?

>>145682524
Don't say we didn't warn you.

>>145682285
Do you not "get" translation, or something? Anything fan based is complete pot luck, and for written material, it's even worse because you have to go looking for the raw to compare it to.

Christ, there was a good one a while back that was literally just the dubtitles for Dragonball somehow plastered back into the manga for Dragonball wherever some idiot thought they might potentially fit.

>>145682528
I'm guessing the Nozaki-kun one is more likely to be a complete idiot who can use OCR rather than a chink, translating just the kanji because he couldn't understand grammar. The barrier to create shoddy work is lower than it's ever been.

>>145682586
getting stagefright?

>>145682789
Anon think about it. Does that really sound like a meaning you need to be worrying about in your first 1000 words

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>>145682705
That's true, I didn't even think about OCR. These are probably just kids in high school who want to be involved in the community and are just not studying properly. I feel pity for the people who will always be dependent on translations.

>>145682020
I don't get it

>>145682886
Get what

>>145682962
What's wrong

>>145682878
pic is gross

>>145683031
you're gross

>>145680451
Why does は, が and を not work for this sentence? I know they are wrong but I don't really know enough specifics to really get it.

弟は部屋は掃除をしました。
I assume this is wrong because the room is already the subject?

弟は部屋が掃除をしました。
Same reason as above?

弟は部屋を掃除をしました。
I assume this is because 掃除 is a noun a noun can't be a the object of another noun?

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>>145682996
nothing actually thats about pro level tl quality

>>145683075
i wasnt talking about the character in the pic though

>>145683183
you're gross

>>145683222
i know youre but what am i

>>145683258
you're gross

>>145683280
yea i know you are but what am i

>誰かに言われたからとか、周りがしてるからとか。

How would you translate this?

>>145683355
I wouldn't because I can't actually into Japanese

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>>145682996
”彼ったら私の顔にしか興味なくてぇー”
”That guy, Aside from his looks, I have no interest in."

>>145683355
Toka because I said to someone , Toka because it is around

あほはわしの方
じゃったんかッ
Freaking dialects. What purpose does じゃったんか serve here?

>>145683400
>私の顔
>his looks
lol

>>145683355
By writing the lines before and after in a way that allows a natural implementation of the sentence's original meaning.
What's the point of out of context translations

>>145683561
to sound like a freakin gooch

>>145683571
read the reply chain

>>145682020
This is why you never do read chink translations. I would rather struggle to read the raw than a chink or gook "translation" which is more often than not simply a rewrite with at least 30% information loss.

>>145682789
What English does with up is not exactly simple, either.
>go up
>get up
>suit up
>shut up
>make up
>makeup
>fed up
>burn up
>your time is up
>pipe up
>end up

It's best that you just deal with the variety of meanings and accept that you won't be burning a fully decked dictionary into your brain.
An Anki card is supposed to be closer to a twitch response than to a recital, give yourself some slack when it's due.

>>145683561
is it done

>>145683644
I did
I'm not laughing at the person I responded to

>>145683561
だったのか

>>145682886
1. He is only interested in my face
2. That's nice. !?
3. He's horrible. He doesn't love me. He loves my money.
4. Ah, I understand.
Are you financially supporting someone?

Rate my translation.

From the last couple times these types of pictures have been posted, I've determined that these translators are really confused by しか.

>>145683724
Thank you.

>>145682372
が is a particle that explicitly marks the subject of a clause, the agent of an action. 顔が光ってる is a statement that a face is shining.

は marks the topic, which is something completely different from the subject. It's the thing the sentence or clause or thought is pertaining to, the thing that it's "about." To obtain a natural understanding of Japanese grammatical structure I think you should try to understand it the way the Japanese understand it, rather than worry about finding a way to understand it in English.

As for why 顔は光ってる in particular is so rare, it's probably just because there aren't many situations where the face needs to be the topic of the thought.

We can pull out a line from one of the Google results to see what kind of context は might be used in:
>「ママのお顔は光ってる　Oさんのお顔は　光が当たると光る！」
Here, ママのお顔 is marked as the topic so that the topic can then be changed to Oさんのお顔 later, which draws a contrast. While considering Mama's face, we find that it is shining. While considering the face of Mr. O, however, we see that it shines when hit by the light from Mama's face. In order to translate this into English we would naturally make their faces the subject of the sentence, because this is the only natural-sounding way to do it. But that's not how it works in Japanese, and it's erroneous to try to think of it that way.

>>145683732
Dont pretend you didnt see the top left bubble

>>145683732
>Are you financially supporting someone?
That sounds odd to me.

>>145683766
wow why didnt i get a tanks >>145683674

>>145683732
Missing a bubble and overly literal, but at least accurate. The last line could be phrased better to work in English as sarcasm. 5/10.

>>145683851
Sorry about that. 4chanx did not show your response in the pop-up. Anyway thank you too.

>>145683773
>が is a particle that explicitly marks the subject of a clause, the agent of an action.
Since you're being borderline pedantic, I need to specify that が isn't exclusively used for agents. For example, が is also used for the recipient of passive, intransitive, and "objectifying"* clauses. In western traditional grammar this is just called the subject, and in linguistics this is called the nominative.

* (like some uses of Xたい, like アイスが食べたい)

There are languages where the "subject" cannot be the recipient of an intransitive clause. These languages are called "ergative-absolutive". For example, if japanese were ergative-absolutive, the subject of an intransitive verb like ある would take を, like 金をある for "I have money".

>>145683918
its cool

>>145683556
Thanks, this made me get it.

>>145683773
in other words there are specific situations such as your post to use は in this kind of statement where as がｙ is more all-purpose?

Today I did Anki for 42 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 1 hour and 19 minutes.

>>145683800
>>145683897
I didn't notice the bubble, but I don't know what it says anyway. The town is effective for couple situations? No idea. Feel free to help me out.

>>145683801
I was only going for meaning. I'm not much of a writer.

>>145684337
Should've read Anki for 2 hours and 1 minutes.

>>145684337
Today I did anki for 84 minutes and then I read manga for who knows how long because I don't stop the time for that.

>>145684337
Today I did Anki for 47 minutes and contemplated suicide for 47 minutes.

>>145683991
I think it works when you try to understand it in a specifically Japanese context.

In your example アイスが食べたい, 食べたい is an i-adjective meaning to exist in a state of wanting to be eaten. アイス is indeed the agent because it is the object doing this existing.　アイスを食べたい is commonly accepted and used in everyday speech, but prescriptively it is incorrect because i-adjectives don't take objects.

The passive form and other intransitive cases are the same. You say アイスが食べられた because 食べられる is a verb that means to receive the action of being eaten. The ice cream is doing the receiving.

>>145684250
Description by some nip in the /int/ thread at some point:

が is used for verb phrases (顔が光っている)
は is used for adjective or noun phrases (私は嬉しい、私は元気です）
If you use the wrong one it draws contrast, such as それがいい implying you wouldn't want it any other way whereas それはいい is just a statement about the iiness of sore

It's not really a perfect explanation but it's probably about as good as you can get for how simple it is

>>145684352
It's 街できいたカップル事情, which is something like "Couple situation heard around town" and if I was to try working it into a more natural English phrase it would be something like "Word on the Street: Relationship Issues" since it's supposed to be a TV program.

>>145684352
Probably easier to understand if you see it like this
街で聞いた
カップル事情

>>145684477
There's nothing japanese about it. That's how nominative-accusative morphosyntactic alignment work. There's no magic. There's no japanese context. It's exactly the same as the overwhelming majority of western languages. It's *ONLY* potentially confusing if you say "the subject is the agent". In linguistics, the agent is the doer of a transitive action. And it's not just jargon. If you say "agent", people will think that way too, even if they don't know linguistics. Forcing "agent" to work around complicated grammatical unwrappings is not intuitive, and it's not how the grammar internally works in natives' heads. It's literally the worst explanation.

>>145684490
>>145684561
Oh, I was thinking 利く for some reason. Thanks.

>>145684352
>I was only going for meaning. I'm not much of a writer.
I'm 90% sure he's being sarcastic, so something like "Who're you supporting!?" Would work.

Today I did wanikani for 60 minutes and watched six episodes of Rokka no Yuusha.

>>145684606
>wanikani for 60 minutes
Somehow I doubt that
>watched six episodes of Rokka no Yuusha
Good taste :^)

>>145684592
It sounds like you're just sperging because I'm using the word agent wrong, so I'll apologize. I'm sorry. I'll always say subject from now on.

>>145684656
Sorry, I get very aggressive when people try to word their way around preexisting terminology.

>>145684606
>Rokka no Yuusha.
Man, that show was kinda great until they were stuck in a ruin for 5 episodes.

>>145684694
That was the best part. I think you have shit taste.

>>145684728
It was really interesting at first, then it dragged on without any conclusions, and then the anime just ended abruptly.

>>145684694
Every week I would think "Are they finally get out of the ruins this week?" and it was making me angry, until I realized they aren't ever going to get out, and then I started enjoying it again.

I can't even remember who the extra one was anymore, there was so much back and forth. I might have to watch it again.

It will probably never get a second season, so it is on my list of LNs I want to read someday, along with Grimgar and some others.

>>145684892
I don't know how "cycles through exposing how each character thinks before getting to the culprit" is "dragging on without any conclusion". In fact, that's basically the ideal way to structure the ending to a shortstory.

良いやり取りだったね

>>145682020
>This man...
>He doesn't care about anything but my face!

>...
>That would be nice...

>He's...
>He's terrible...
>It's not me...
>It's the money I've earned that he's in love with...

>Ah...
>I can relate.

>You--
>Are you someone's sugar momma!!?

これはどうでしょう

>>145685153
I have a hard time imagining a Japanese father saying "sugar momma".

>>145685244
Just paint him black and give him an afro and it's the perfect localization.

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So where do people get their raws from.

I was thinking about catching up on Kaiji but looking at the amazon reviews it looks like it started going super downhill after I dropped it 3 years ago, so I think I would rather just download them.

The Tonegawa spinoff seems to be getting good feedback, I'll probably buy those.

>>145685330
Yeah the mangaka just drags stuff forever in all of his series. The anime for Kaiji / Akagi are the best thing that has come out of him.

>>145685244
じゃ

>You--
>Is someone leeching off of you!!?

これでいいんでしょうか

>>145685420
I like that better.

>賑やかなアーケード街を抜けた先に位置する。
This is in reference to someone's home.

Call me stupid but I really, really don't understand what 抜けた means here.

>>145685379
The worst part is that the arc I dropped was where the gamble was this savior game.
Where it was just the lives of just 3 random Asian dudes that I don't give a fuck about at risk. Apparently this gamble gets dragged on for the rest of the arc.

>>145685586
to pass through

>>145685648
Why not use 通る though? What really confused me is every definition I got had to do with something falling out, coming loose, or generally just not being there.

>>145685812
>Why not use 通る though?
Why should the nihonjin only use one specific word for any general concept just to help out gaijin?

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>>145685812
It's more in the sense of "to come out the end of."

>>145685859
They shouldn't, I was just wondering why use that word over a word with a more general meaning.

>>145685942
Okay, thanks anon.

>>145685812
抜ける has more of a nuance to it that makes it seem like he got out of something rather than just passing through ordinarily.

The CoR hasn't been updated in like two months.

>>145676959
The routes are fairly short, only a few hours if you read fast.
Which route are you on? If you're considering dropping it I'd highly recommend reading Rina's route first, it's absolutely glorious, I'd rate it the best moege route ever written.

>>145687768
Thanks, I'll try Rina's route. I'm on Hiiragi now. I got pulled in by the tsun only to hate the dere.

>>145682020
>djt tries to translate things for /a/.png

>朝稽古（あさげいこ）
My IME can only type this through あさけいこ

Is there something wrong?

>>145688232
Works with Google IME

>>145688069
Yeah I see your point, Hiiragi was my favourite girl when I just started, her opening scene with the dog was great. While Rina didn't seem particularly amazing at first. What a great surprise that turned out to be.

>>145688374
Hmm.. I'm using fctix-mozc, which is the open source edition of Google Japanese Input.
Maybe it's a couple versions behind.

chatpadで１５歳の子のLINEをゲットしたぜ

Finally caught up. I don't know why, but I'd been incapable of doing anki for no apparent reason until yesterday.

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>>145688895

>>145688895
ankiを置いて、日本人と喋るのほうが楽しいよ

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>>145689084
Sorry, I'm not retarded, so I don't think talking to uneducated people in a foreign language will help me learn it.

Now if you said picture related you might have something worth saying.

>>145688884
警察に連絡しました

>>145689164
ま、読めるのも楽しいけど
でもankiとはちょっとな
なんというか
同じこと繰り返すして別に内容もいないだし
俺的には楽しいにしたら楽に学べられる、語でも何でも
そして語ならやっぱ使わなきゃ意味ないし

>>145689346
ありがとうございます
実は警察もはなしたいな
きっと漫画から学んだ言葉もたくさん使えそう

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>>145688895
>>145688951
I know that feel, just got back into it myself >>145677342

>>145689436
Sorry, I don't read JSL posts that only contain words I know.

>>145689572
lay off the smug until you earn it yotsuba master

>>145689572
手うがことをしてみるか？

>>145689657
What's smug about that? I don't know what mistakes a JSL might make, so I only read their posts if there's words in them that I need to learn. I don't want to expose myself to bad grammar.

>>145689572
前に俺が書けたことを読んだけどなｗ

>>145689745
Not really, I saw "日本人と喋" and automatically assumed you were talking about talking to natives for practice.

>>145689745
>俺が書けたことを
how does it feel to be dysfluent

>>145689715
Good thinking Steve, now could you throw me a lingQ membership already I'd really like to achieve your level of comprehension

首を洗って待ってろ

Sometimes these idioms make no sense.

君たちの嫁の息子は幾つですか？

>>145689864
どうでもいい？
日本人じゃねーし
英語もその感じだし
日本人どもがわかるなら俺的にはそれでいい

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>google ＯＢの本
'old boy/graduate' 出身者

>>145690012
Japanese is full of shit like that
It's retarded but fun

>>145689999
I mean if you had basic fluency in japanese you wouldn't make that mistake

and anon is right, you're literally using words in the top 1k of frequency

ビッチ先生はもう来ないのか...

>>145689864
Everyone in this thread should know well enough

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>>145690093
apparently..ゾウ

Has anyone here read any of Parasyte? How difficult is it? I'm looking to read a fun shounen that I haven't already read in English and it looks like a cool story.

>>145691232
Japanese/10

>>145689864
this place is like deviantart for japanese

>>145691317
We've had this discussion before. It's like saying Goosebumps and War and Peace are equally difficult.

>>145691516
this place is full of sub-N5s that consider N5 a joke

>>145691628
It's a fucking manga dude not Wittgenstein.

>>145691668
this may surprise you but there are english comics with english so bad/complicated that it's unreasonable

anon may not know anything about parasyte other than the themes it covers, that's why he's asking

real忍者日本語がわかる人いますか

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yhEZ-lLtIU

>>145691972
日本語なんてどうでもいい
漢語の勉強をしようぜ

>>145692166
好主意大声笑

So, what are your Anki deck settings? Did you leave by default? Changed the new cards/day?

Useful word: 夜這い

>>145692571
I changed that when I fail a card, instead of resetting it entirey it get's set to 33% of whatever interval it was.
I think that's a lot more comfortable.

>>145692619
夜這いＵＲ ＭＯＭｗｗｗ

useful word 知的障害

>>145692816
can you please use it in a sentence

useful word 強姦罪

useful word 便利な言葉

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>>145692294
thanks for the word bro

>>145692932
今日は一日精神遅滞と診断されるぞい

2名もゲットだぜ

>>145693169
没有问题我的爱

>>145693222
しゅごい！
らめ！らめて！しゅごしゅぎるよーあっとうざれじゃふ

>>145693308
ちんこを置いてから喋れ

>>145693308
それを読んだ後に具合が悪くなった

ちんこに声をかけたらちゃんと返信できる

Does subahibi get considerably harder after the first day?

>>145693622
in terms of reading comprehension yes

>>145693308
>らめ
What does this mean?

>>145693737
japanese slurring swaps d and r because they're articulated in the same place

どうもありがと　ｍｒ．ふぁっごｔ

>>145693737
だめ
How are you not fluent in "have a dick in me" slurring, anon? Read more porn.

desu I kinda just made up some of the sound changes, but there actually are some super common ones for legit slurred speech. Stuff like し->ひ so people might say おいひい if their mouth is full

いい天気だから自転車で大学にいきました。九時に到着しました。

Does this make sense? I don't need to re-state the destination in the second sentence, right?

Gotta love when JMDict throws you a curveball ごっくん

Is nihongonomori the only Japanese learning youtube channel with anything beyond total beginners content?

>>145694511
There's plenty of native japanese channels

Do you guys add name kanji to your mining deck?

What program do you use for writing in japanese on here?

>>145694804
I would if I was a beginner reading for the first time when names were super fucking hard to remember. In that case I'd add the names and move them right to the front to learn them quickly.

In my first VN there were characters whose names I were forgetting how to read long into the VN. But once you're comfortable with the language, names become super easy. They tend to be some of the most repeated words in a VN, so as long as you aren't bogged down with other high frequency words you pick them up with little effort and never forget them.

VNs are pretty inefficient for learning names though, because the character count to text length ratio is so low.

>>145694804
Yes.

>>145694858
the guide

>>145694804
I'm guessing you mean names and not name kanji since the latter are used in very common words

>>145694918
I was asking more about characters that get used only in names. I don't think I have that much trouble remembering names with kanji I already know (which is most of kanji)

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>>145694858
I don't know what everyone considers to be the "best", but I personally like Click-N-Type Kana keyboard

>>145694687
Like which?

>>145694858
I just write a bunch of English words into Google translate, and copy and paste them one at a time here.


Once you know enough grammar (from listening to anime, seiyuu radio shows, reading Tae Kim) it's easy enough to guess the order they should go in. I mean, worst case though, you can just write the sentence backwards from what you'd expect in English and still preserve the meaning, so it isn't too hard.

>>145694461
it makes sense that youre white as hell but as for your actual questions seems fine dude

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>>145695076

>>145695247
simply epic

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>>145695286
Ah I haven't seen that shit eating grin for a while.
You brought back some memories anon.

>>145695072
Well once you hit 2000-2500 there's actually almost no difference in memorization difficulty between "kanji I know but new reading" and "new kanji". But whatever just add them to collect kanji for your kanji dick.

>>145695076
Wow. Thanks, this looks like it'll be way faster than copy-pasting from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana. Much appreciated.

>>145695505
>english subs

>>145694858
Microsoft IME. It comes with windows no extra software needed and works great.

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Today was a bad day

orz

>>145695072
There is kind of no point in doing that because aside from whatever is common and taking an educated guess, there is no consistency with pronunciation.
There is a reason why there is always furigana attached to names when they are first shown in games/anime/manga etc

>>145695884
>31 minutes
>before finishing the first 2k
are you even trying
do 10 more cards a day

>>145695964
I don't know where that 31 minutes come from desu
I'm pretty sure I spent over 2 hours on this deck today, like I do every day (I write out the kanji, by the way)

>>145696028
That means you're spending way too long on some cards. I'd tell you to stop writing out kanji except for the first couple times you see any given card, and to do twice as many cards instead, but writingfags gonna be writingfags.

>>145696028
I believe it only counts the time you spend before flipping the card.

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retarded＝ガイジ
　
知能障碍児　
ちのうしょうがいじ
がいじ

How the fuck am I supposed to know when to use a certain reading on kanji? some have the exact same spelling such as 開く can read as Hiraku or Aku

Does it ever really become a problem?

>NTT's Vocabulary Count Estimate Test estimates that university students know 45,000-50,000 words.

Seriously? Does this actually mean if I do 10 new words a day it will take me 14 years to become fluent in Japanese? What the actual fuck

>>145696524
Just go with whatever sounds better in your head.

>>145696603
You imply you'll be using 50k words a day in Japanese. And you should be doing far more then 10 a day.

>>145696692

Yeah but I'm in college . With all the studying and extracurricular activities, that might leave me an hour or two of free time if I'm lucky

>>145696738

And some of that time I need to spend for grammar, too

>>145696603
The figure is meaningless without knowing the study's methodology. You don't need to be native-level to be fluent/read anything you want without a dictionary anyway.

>>145696603
You will never reach native level unless you live in Japan for years.
20k words will go a long way, and you can easily reach that in like 3 years at 20 words per day.

>>145696738
How long have you been learning nip?

>>145696850

I just started about a month ago. I wish I had more time, because I definitely have the drive to put in many hours a day.

>>145696603
"words" can be pretty ambiguous. In truth, what matters is that you know the RIGHT words. There are tons of words you can read without ever learning specifically if you have decent experience with the language. This is why I can read fluently with only ~6k words in anki (although I read for several months without anki so that's missing a lot of the Core2k level stuff). Anyway, the number you need to actively memorize isn't close to 50000.

>>145696524
ひらく is transitive and あく is not. They mean fundamentally different things. In isolation, no, it is not possible to tell which one it is.

>>145696990
WHY JAPAN?

>>145696894
Nigga relax you LITERALLY just started
>Mfw being semi neet and studying 12 hours a day

feels good.

>>145696990
That isn't really true though. It can be pronounced hiraku intransitively as well. The answer is just not to worry much about it because if it matters you'll be given furigana

>>145697048
>WHY JAPAN?
Same as produce (noun) vs produce (verb) in English, for example. It's really a non issue.

>>145697107
Transitive verbs in Japanese don't require an object, but they can take one. ひらく's subject is the one that opens something else, while あく's subject is the thing opening. It's still transitive (the subject is acting on an object).

>>145697160
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/188325/meaning/m0u/

閉じふさがっていたものがあけ広げられる。あいた状態になる。「戸が―・く」「傷口が―・く」

Wow was that hard? Can you please check a dictionary or something before you start to argue?

>>145686522
The CoR was only ever really being updated actively when CoRくん was looking after it. The anons who are looking after the CoR, etc. are more or less passive. If you want it updated, it is kind of a matter of being proactive and doing something that is really, really effortless for whoever is looking after things.
Do you see the reference to the items that are missing from the CoR? All of those were only ever added because an anon actually made a spreadsheet in the style of the CoR itself and set it all up so that the only thing the anons maintaining it needed to do was replace the CoR with the spreadsheet the anon who added a whole bunch (which are now gone) of stuff.
At this point it looks as though whoever as access has stopped caring/checking DJT/the site entirely.

>>145696482
そのpicに写っているのは俺っす

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Should I put emphasis to remember the pitches of words when studying Anki?

For example, 見る comes up. What I've been doing is, even when I get the definition and spelling of the word correct, if I pronounce it mi-RU instead of MI-ru like the Japanese girl on Anki says it, I'll hit again.

Is this a good habit to get into or is it not necessary and a waste of time?

>>145697746
if youre going to make a habit make it saying each syllable with equal emphasis and dont be lazy and let your pronunciation drag like the gaijin that you are

crisp and even thats the key

So where the fuck do I go for actual advice instead of the bullshit you tend to post here?
I mean you can answer silly shit that you learn in the first months, but if it come to anything more advanced you are just spreading wrong information or Insult each other or post bad memes.

>>145697979
reddit.com/r/learnjapanese

>>145697746
I personally never cared about it, after reviewing it multiple times with sound it still stuck in my head though.

>>145697855

Didn't really quite understand what you just said, I appreciate the help. If you mean to put effort into pronunciation to sound as close to a native as possible, that's what I've been trying to do

>>145697979
i have to think you are just trolling because if you truly understand the shit from the not then you are capable of doing all your own research to figure out what you need to do to achieve your goals

>>145697979
The thing about DJT is, we give actual advice on the things you want actual advice on, and give bullshit answers to the things you shouldn't be asking to begin with.

>>145698007
/r/learnjapanese in comparison is full of beginners trying to give awful study advice for beginners, but will try to answer everything properly

>>145676784
よろしゅ～ちこうよれ

>>145698139
>and give bullshit answers to the things you shouldn't be asking to begin with.
don't even pretend this was intentional >>145697160

>>145698107
dont say ほおお when you want to say ほ

dont talk like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aGOpjqAW3M

>>145697979
>>145698208
DJT isn't here to teach you Japanese faggot. It's just a thread full of Japanese learners who want to talk about it with other Japanese learners, or occasionally some anons that might get their dicks hard helping people out with something.
We aren't here to get karma or upvotes. Why the fuck should I care if you get helped or not?

Not to mention nobody reads every post in DJT all day. You post here, you get a fraction of the users reading it. Sometimes it's a hit, sometimes it's a miss.
Welcome to 4chan.

What does "seikatsu" mean?

>>145698439
>Not to mention nobody reads every post in DJT all day.
(´・ω・｀)

>>145698511
something thats pathetic as hell for everyone itt

>>145698520
Every post really? I keep DJT open all day, but I don't read every post.

>>145698568
I analyze every post to determine the poster, and save it in my folder for that poster

>>145698568
I've read every post for about 10 months. The first thing I do in the morning before my reps is open /djt/ and catch up.

>>145698607
What's my folders name?

>>145697160
>Transitive verbs in Japanese don't require an object, but they can take one
That's just want "transitive" means. "Can take a direct object".

"Intransitive" means "cannot take a direct object". However, in japanese, in certain situations, intransitive verbs can be forced to act as if they can take a direct object. The "suffering" (as in being affected by a state of being) passive works this way.

>>145698643
Anonymous. Big folder...

>>145698607
show me my folder

>>145698633
*sits down and sips coffee, strokes beard* ah i wonder whats good in the latest episode of djt: the young and the hopeless

>>145698549
please dont be so kibishii
itai ｔｂｈ

>>145698702
Your deductive power is off the charts.

>>145698607
Good times.

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>>145698607
How's my folder?

>>145698807
i bet you just made that but nonetheless thats the shit i do like

>can't read without more words
>can't more words without more anki
>already at 30+ words a day
being a beginner is suffering
I'm learning chinese so grammar is too easy to be worth studying

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>tfw you will never get creeped on by anon

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>>145698807
ほら、おにいちゃん

>>145695884
You have reviews limited to 20 a day? What the hell are you doing?

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>>145695884

20 reviews limit ? dis nigga b trippin

>>140879121
What did he mean by this?

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>>145698807

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>>145698807
Epic.

WaniKana vs RTK

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>>145698807

>>145699562
Both are a waste of time and shit.

Use a deck in anki.

>>145697359
It was updated regularly for several months until just over two months ago.

>>145696175
Oh, that makes sense

>>145696099
>I'd tell you to stop writing out kanji except for the first couple times you see any given card
Nah, writing them out seems to work best for me, so I'm not changing that

>do twice as many cards
I'll do that once I'm on vacation

>>145699262
>>145699359
I tried not limiting reviews once and ended up with 120 reviews due each day and it literally took me 8 hours to finish. It's just too overwhelming and doesn't work for me at all desu

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>tfw you will always be singled out in japan for being white piggu
>tfw you dont even watch anime all that much and are happy just reading subs
>tfw kanji eat my soul

why did I decide to do this instead of mandarin

>>145699754
Doing 20 words per day when you are only doing 20 reviews is just a waste of time. You'd be better off with 5 new words per day and not limiting reviews.

>>145699836
It's not too late to change.

>>145699836

go to the gym and realize the potential of your tall bigger-dick superior aryan form

>>145699944
It doesn't sound like you're using the gym correctly

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>>145699754
>I tried not limiting reviews once and ended up with 120 reviews due each day
That's a lot.

>>145699754
>Nah, writing them out seems to work best for me,
I don't know about best but clearly what you're doing isn't working out very well dude

>>145699836
ho ho ho

>>145699924
that last part was mostly a meme. /r/ing sceencaps from the thread of the guy who said not to learn Mandarin at all costs because of how shitty the Chinese are

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>>145700005

>implying I use the gym

I was just giving you hypothetical advice

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It's been about 5 days since I last opened anki. It was at that time I realized I had missed several days and just decided that fuck it, it's been over two years, it's time to quit Anki. Five days later, I'm feeling fine. I'm free. I have no more studying obligations, I just read. Feels euphoric to be honest.

Also I'm saddened by the fact that Jamal is STILL posting, what the heck? How many months has it been? God damn dude. Sorry to leave you behind with him DJT.

>>145699754
>120 reviews due each day and it literally took me 8 hours to finish
Holy shit man, what the fuck, 120 reviews only take 8 minutes to do cut that stupid writing shit.

>>145700084
The REAL freedom is to be able to force yourself do what you need to do even though you feel unshackled to not do it! Not through some stockholm syndrome, and not through some faith, but through sheer actual will.

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>>145700124

That was deep.

>>145700084
Better get back to that shit fast, with 5 days it's still salvageable.

>>145700124
Naaah, that's a definition of self discipline.

>>145700009
My retention has always been around 85% since I started studying Japanese 8 months ago. Today might've been a bad day.
I'll probably wait and see how frequent these bad days become before changing my ways.

>>145700101
But I'll take an exam for a scholarship to study in Japan next year and I have to know how to write the kanji properly, anon :^(

>>145696603

>people say you only need like 5k kanji to be fluent in Nipspeak
>sources like this say 50k words
>most words in Japanese are in kanji

What the hell... am I missing something here?

>>145700084
japanese means what you want it to

every sentence is like an empty canvas for your creativity

>>145700124
Did you miss the "two years" bit? There's comes a point where you don't need Anki anymore and although it can be difficult to convince yourself to break the chains it's fine if you do.
>>145700181
Not a chance. At most I'll start up a new deck if I ever get interested in studying for the kanken or something.

>>145700084
I think quitting is a bad idea. You should at least keep up with reviews. They will eventually only take a few minutes per day.

I think he was on vacation for awhile, but unfortunately he came back.

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>>145700331
Yes you need at least 5k of different Kanji. On- and Kunyomi you also need to learn. 50k words sounds a bit low, probably more like 100k.

>>145700331
Your sources lied. You only need 3k to be fluent in nipsspeak. Maybe 4k if you're reading lots of prewar lit.

>>145700331
Kanji != Vocabulary
Vocabulary is made up of kanji.

>>145700295
You should do RTK alongside your vocabulary.

>>145700536
What's that? Grammar?
I'm mostly done with Tae Kim's Grammar Guide, so I've moved on to Nihongonomori's lessons on YouTube and their website.

>>145700352
>There's comes a point where you don't need Anki anymore and although it can be difficult to convince yourself to break the chains it's fine if you do.
That's when you do anki on a weekly basis instead of daily.

The reps are small enough and the small delay to some cards doesn't matter.

Anki's #1 use is keeping mature information fresh with minimal effort. Spaced repetition is just the most efficient way to make sure that information becomes mature.

>>145700350
私はキャンバスにちんこを描きます

Does anyone have all of Yuru Yuri raw? I want to try reading it for practice but the torrents are dead for older volumes.

>>145700651
CoR

>>145700397
They were taking a few minutes already. It was just psychologically a burden.

Although this may sound smug, I think you and I have a different perspective. You are still learning Japanese, but from my perspective, I've already learned Japanese. So while you are thinking, "you will learn Japanese better if you stay with Anki", I'm thinking "I already know Japanese so Anki is irrelevant".
>>145700642
The bulk of my decks from studying for over 2 years is not to be underestimated. I was getting hundreds of mostly mature, some leeche reviews a day. I would say simply reading and listening to Japanese will keep all the relevant information fresh on it's own, Anki has been superseded by simple exposure.

>>145700752
>The bulk of my decks from studying for over 2 years is not to be underestimated. I was getting hundreds of mostly mature, some leeche reviews a day. I would say simply reading and listening to Japanese will keep all the relevant information fresh on it's own, Anki has been superseded by simple exposure.

What I do is suspend things that I'm sick of seeing. This goes for leeches and very common words, but not jargon.

>>145700612
Remembering the Kanji, a method to learn to write all of the Jouyou kanji. It's useless to most people here, but since you actually need to learn to write kanji, it would help to alleviate your Anki issues. The book and Anki deck should be in the CoR.