Team A vs Team B

Team A

>>145514373
>Reinhard
>Wham
>Best angel
Automatic victory for team B

>Send Amuro out in the gundam!
>he isnt here sir
>fuck

>>145514373
Team B no question.

>>145515304
Do you not understand how strong Doflamingo is?

>>145515676
>strings

Ramiel is weaksauce compared to characters from Naruto and One Piece.

>>145514373
Jobber Kakashi or Dual MS Kakashi?

>>145515676
Team A
Best pic of Rin
shonenshit and a Maburabu

Team B
BAH-ZER-CAR
Reinhard von Lohengramm
Death by geometry angel
Tittymonster
JoJo contender

No contest, B wins without a challenge

Is that Shanks or Gildarts?

>>145514373
There are red-haired people on Reinhard's side so everything will be fine. Team B.

>>145516190
Based on what? Your personal preferences?

Donflamingo
Kakashi
Gildarts

Are enough to solo team B.

Team A with a breeze.

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>>145516328
No they aren't, do you even know how strong Rias and ACDC are?

>>145516314
well yeah, that's what this shit is, isn't it?
Otherwise you're just going full afterburner autism mode and wanking about powerlevels and other bullshit shonen tropes.

>>145516417
I suggest you get with the times. Make sure to read:

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Higher-Dimensional_Manipulation

and

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Tiering_System

before trying to discuss power levels or vs battles again.

>>145516394
ACDC is weak as, the robot from that porno in the bottom left will kill him

>>145514373
>ACDC from nowhere.

>>145515676
>really hard strings
>still loses to really hard rubber
woah....

Is that Takeru?
Then it doesn't matter how many times it takes him, he will eventually find a way to win.

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>>145517685
It's Yuuya Bridges.

>>145516126
>his laser melts mountains
>can anything available to Team A penetrate AT fields?
and
>his drill is the drill that's gonna pierce the heavens

Ramiel means auto win for team B.
AT-field and shit.

>>145519013
Not really. I mean, I'm rooting for team B and all, but Ramiel is strong only because Eva relies on technology most of the time to win. Placed in other verses where magic and other shounen bullshit are rampant, it's not that particularly powerful.

>>145518169
>Throw Kamui Shuriken

>>145518169
1.8 X 1011 watts is all that's required to penetrate Ramiel's AT Field. Kakashi could dispatch it easily using Raikiri in his Susanoo form.

>Team B has an Angel
>Team A has motherfucking Bright Noa
I have no idea how people expect Ramiel to do anything but die.

No one passes geometry

Ramiel is a literal non-factor in this. Reinhardt would have to use it in the role of a sniper because it doesn't have the mobility to be used on the front lines.

>>145519160
Kill yourself

Reddit already won desu

>all these shounen babbies don't even realize Team B's real powerhouses are Gunha and Rias
>Ramiel is basically nothing but artillery support, similar to Yuuya
Rin and Kakashi are legitimate threats, but Rin can't beat Rias in magic and Kakashi would get splattered by Gunha. In fact Gunha could probably solo half Team A, whatever he didn't get Berserker or ACDC would.

And that's completely setting aside Reinhard is leading them.

>>145522018
You are legitimately underestimating Kakashi. By far the fastest of all combatents, and Kamui is a potential gamebreaker. It's his original dojutsu, released from the Mangekyo Sharingan, that allows one to transfer anything to another dimension. The target is enveloped with a barrier space and the user concentrates their mind to what they gaze at. When the technique is invoked, the space at the centre of the barrier is distorted and the target inside the barrier is drawn in completely. The location and size of the barrier can be specified at will. Kakashi is able to use this technique up to at least three times in a given day, even when starting at full strength. Combine that with his Susanoo form, and he can easily compete with Gunha.

Doflamingo's Torikago also gives Team A a huge advantage in the form of CCing Team B.

>>145519160
Putting Ramiel in a setting where magic and shounen bullshit exists doesn't take his AT-field away.
And no magic or shounen bullshit can destroy an AT-field.

>>145522565
And just why is that? What makes AT-field so special that magic can't pierce/bypass? It's, at best, manifestation of the soul. You have to really argue how one ability that warp/distorts reality is any different from another ability that warp/distort reality.

>>145522565
It also doesn't change the fact that Ramiel's AT Field can't withstand more than 1.8 X 1011 watts. Kakashi beats it easily.

Then again, there's no convincing crazed Evangelion fanboy idiots like yourself.

>>145522787
It's stated in NGE that only an AT-field can destroy an AT-field.
There's no prove that magic does affect it.
There's also no prove that magic doesn't affect it.
This argument is stupid.

>>145522859
But isn't the reason the positron rifle killed Ramiel that the Evas were around or something?

>>145516494
>Dimensional Tiering
Hahahahahaha. In that case, Ben-10 is the strongest because they have aliens that goes up to 26 dimensions.

Behold! The strongest!
http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/Naljian

THIS IS WHY DIMENSIONAL TIERING IS A STUPID FUCKING IDEA!

>>145523037
Anon, just stop. You are heading into full retard territory here. Saying shit like only AT fields can destroy other AT fields is hyperbolic and assumes every other piece of fiction runs under the rules of Eva. Under your logic, the goddesses from the Tenchi-verse can't harm Ramiel because they don't have AT fields. Which is beyond stupid.

>>145523037
>But isn't the reason the positron rifle killed Ramiel that the Evas were around or something?
Rubbish, that's hearsay.

As for the facts: it was penetrated with 1.8 X 1011 watts, which means Kakashi can defeat it easily.

>>145516300
This.

>>145523393
Honestly, if that other anon hadn't been so stubborn about AT field, he could have simply argue Ramiel could just float up high in the sky and shoot everyone in team A to death with its giant laser beams.

>>145514373
Let's see:
>Ramiel vs anyone on A
Nobody has its attack range nor as fast projectile attacks so... Automatic lazor to the face= GG

>Berserkah
Maybe Flamingo could exchange blows and Kakashi may took a couple of his lifes... Then Godhand kicks in and he's back and with immunity to whatever crap. Berserk wins.

Don't know/care about the others, but if just two from B could take on the whole A....


Yeah pretty awful teams OP

>>145523535
Doflamingo, Kakashi, the XFJ-01 Shiranui and Tsuna are all capable of flight. Too bad Evafag.

>>145523675
>Nobody has its attack range nor as fast projectile attacks so... Automatic lazor to the face= GG
Idiotic Evangelion fanboys have no place in this thread. Nevertheless, refer to >>145519160

>>145523675
Eh, the matchup isn't that bad. If we can assume Kakashi can mindrape Berserker, trapping him in an endless illusion, or Rin has access to her jeweled sword, giving her the ability to shoot giant laser beams as well. But it really depends if we're using their theoretical strongest version or not.

>>145523736
Wrong anon. I was arguing against the eva-fag and saying there are other ways besides relying on AT field = auto-win stupidity.

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Team A + Team B vs Team C

>>145523853
For the sake of argument, let's assume every character is at the peak of their abilities.

Haven't watched NGE in a while so I didn't remember it right. They nuked a bunch of angels and it damaged them.
So yeah, AT-field is not as strong as I thought.

>>145523378
My point in that post was that it's inherently stupid to apply superpowers and magic from one universe to the other.
Saying X can harm Y is an assumption unless there's some evidence in both universes.

I'm not saying this to defend Ramiel, just pointing out how retarded those discussions are.

>>145523393
If the rifle was just that strong then sure.
I just remembered it as the Eva's AT-field making it possible for the rifle to hit or something.

>>145523786
So tell me, how would anyone in A fightback Ramiel if they're getting continiously shot by a Lazer with 100% accuracy?

Also
>Calling me an emongelion fanboy for not buying the uncontextualized shounen magic that he keeps going about because he can't argue for shit,

Kill your self faggot.


>>145523853
Genjutsu works by disrupting the Chakra flow of it's target, guess what? Only Naruto character have chakra because is an alien substance in their universe, not actual Ki, mana, prana, lifeforce, not something as similar.

Everyone who brings up Genjutsu hax conveniently forgets that.

>>145524523
True that. But that's essentially the same problem with the whole only AT fields can harm AT fields issue. Conversely, if genjustsu can only affect people with chakra, then nothing same stop a chakra-infused attack since no one else has chakra to defend against it. We have to assume some form of equivalency is in play here, otherwise, it's becomes a giant game of rocket-tag.

>>145524523
>So tell me, how would anyone in A fightback Ramiel if they're getting continiously shot by a Lazer with 100% accuracy?
Some of the Team A characters could probably tank it. If a fucking Heat Shield can, Kakashi's Susanoo form could easily. Doflamingo, Kakashi and Tsuna are also easily capable of evading it because they can move faster. Just because it had 100% accuracy in the NGE verse against slugs like Unit 01, doesn't mean it's capable of hitting massively hypersonic characters.

>>145525111
Aren't Ramiel's lasers lightspeed, or at the very least, relativistic?

>>145525259
They're visible to the human eye; the command center literally saw it coming as it hit Unit 01.

Kakashi can pretty much teleport.

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How is Bright supposed to be anywhere near Reinhard's level?
Who is he going to slap?

>>145525420
I think it's one of those situations where we need someone to rewatch that episode and post screenshots of its lasers. Not saying Ramiel can win this by itself, but how fast it is, is a big force multiplier here.

>>145524829
>We have to assume some form of equivalency is in play here, otherwise, it's becomes a giant game of rocket-tag.
Not neccesarily.


Let's see:
>But that's essentially the same problem with the whole only AT fields can harm AT fields issue.
This isn't true, the spider angel was gunned down by normal rifle ammo and N2 bombs did damage various angels bypassing thçeir AT Field. And the computer virus was defeated by pure h4x0r skills, no counter at-field involved. Clearly AT fields strenght depends on the angel, and the weakest ones could theorically be deal with in conventional fasion. Ramiel didn't seem to have a strong AT Field, so there's no need nor reason to exclude it.

>Conversely, if genjustsu can only affect people with chakra, then nothing same stop a chakra-infused attack since no one else has chakra to defend against it.
I don't follow your logic here, but chakra-based attacks (other than Gen ofc) are physical and chakra IS a physical substance. They could be blocked by non-chakra means just like it happens allthe time in Naruto.

>>145525624
You know what I mean. If we assume Genjustsu can only affect people with chakra, then no one can kill ACDC since no one can use hamon on team A.

What the fuck is Rin even going to do to help?

>>145525875
Jeweled Sword, giant laser beams, healing, and other magic bullshit.

>>145525111
Who can tank it?
Last time I saw Sasuke's Susano'o getting melted by acidic mist and in its fight Ramiel never stopped shooting it's lazer beam, so Kakashi would pretty much be inmovilized.

Also you're conveniently forgetting that the heatshield was wielded by an eva with his AT field in full use, and it still chew through


Meanwhile:
>>145525259
Not lightspeed but still pretty damn fast considering it's several km range

>>145514373
Both team have good captain

>Team A
Rins jewel sword might take out 1 opponent and she is rendered useless
Doflas could probably hold off against FIreIceBoy and Rias
Kakashi Mangekyo can trap less suspecting opponent (but his stamina has limit)
Just how strong is gildarts? can his magic shattered AT Fields?
Tsuna to provide the raw fire power and air superiority
i have no idea about the mecha, is it as broken as demonbane?

>Team B
Her destructive magic may rival tsuna fire lazor
Angel with Lasers and AT field. pratically invisible if there is no way to break the AT field
todoroki lack of combat experience is a weakness but his good brains paired with rias & esidisi might work out something.
Not sure how Gunha ability works just know that it is quite broken
Berserker. a mindless warrior with extended life. unless he can follow orders else he is just going to fall into team A plans
Esidisi being knowledgeable in warfare and his ability is a strong asset


overall Team B with stronger individual, but Team A will have more teamwork

>>145525759
Kakashi could seal him, so does Rin. Still they could butcher him in a bazillion piece and he isn't Kars so he won't attach himself again.

Pillar men are very resilliant and could pull some nasty moves with their bodies, but they aren't impervious to all non-hamon damage just like Stroheim proved.

>>145526221

Well, it probably won't hurt Doflamingo at least, since One Piece has actual precognition/spider sense as its strongest method of evasion instead of powercreeping movement speed. So he can step out of the way before it fires, which would be pretty effective against a tactless enemy.

I think he would end up in a subterfuge role with his copy clones and mind-control puppet strings, trying to take out important targets. He could easily control IcyHot at the least, making it 7v5. Or 2v1 and such if he can cordon off an area.

It seems like team A has a nice obvious strategy there. They have a bunch of hard hitters acting as the main force while they try to pick off distracted individuals.

But I'm not sure what team B would even do. They're a bunch of overpowered loners, so it's all up to Reinhard I think.

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Autism alert.

So this is how I see it panning out in the opening stages. Team A has more raw firepower, but Team B has a bit more flexibility in regards to set up.

Berserker would act as a defensively minded tank against Team A's front line. God Hand essentially gives him 12 lives, and every time he's defeated, he develops resistance against whatever bypassed the God Hand.

Esidisi probably puts up a fight against a multi-tasking Kakashi, but still loses due to sheer firepower, especially considering he has to deal with Doflamingo strings too.

Gunha provides most of the firepower from Team B, probably taking out Tsuna or Gildarts. Rias also has a huge amount of firepower, and can probably create a significant problem for Team A with Ikusutinguisshu Suta through sheer area of effect, even if it should be easy to dodge.

It goes without saying that Ramiel will be a far more damaging sniper than the Shiranui, but it's worth noting the later has far better mobility, and could occupy different roles in the team if needed.

Reinhardt is a far better commander than Bright, and he'll probably predict his every move.

>>145525499
Did you watch Char's Counterattack?

>>145528000
Not to nitpick, but you do know it's entirely possible to take off more than 1 life with a single attack from God Hand, right? And that there's an upper limit to the resistance.

>>145529881
Taking into account Saber Alter's Excalibur Morgan could only take one life, I reserve doubts that anyone on Team A could do any better.

>>145524829
Kill yourself

>>145530134
Confirmed for low reading comprehension
Excalibur Morgan took 2 lives and that was because Berserker almost dodged the blast, if he took it head on, he would just end up perma dead just like his Fate route counterpart.

>>145529881
Yes it is possible, but God hand never shown to have limit in its resistance from its immunity from previous fatal blow because it works on a conceptual level.

>>145529881
Try actually reading the VN.

>>145514373

Doflamingo uses his strings to take control of everyone in the enemy team other than the angel

everyone 13v1 's the angel, kills berserker enough times, and then the remaining team B people kill themselves


gg hard game report team B pls

>>145532764
He can't control entities that are too powerful.

Also

>another evafag overrating ramiel

ten

>>145525954
She's nowhere near Berserker.

>>145514373
Mein Kaiser wins

>>145537800
No it doesn't.

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>>145514373
Bright can't even win against a fucking chicken, what makes you people think he can defeat Reinhard in a battle of wits?

Team A

>>145519160
>Placed in other verses where magic and other shounen bullshit are rampant, it's not that particularly powerful.
Most of that stuff is designed to combat other people. Illusion and mind control bullshit isn't gonna work on a giant flying geometric shape. Close-range combat techniques will be useless if it's far away or high in the sky.
>>145519351
>1.8 X 1011 watts
What does that even mean? Is that some sort of notation I'm not familiar with? Or is it just multiplication?
Because a little under two kilowatts is fucking nothing, tons of attacks on AT fields had more power than that and couldn't scratch them.
I wish I had seen Eva recently so I could know better but I seem to remember there being some extenuating circumstances, if AT fields were that easy to deal with they wouldn't even NEED Eva units.

>>145523934
Team C would win to be quite honest familly

>>145539581
I think he meant 1.8 x 10^11. I forget the exact value that was mentioned in the series itself, but 180 gigawatts sounds about right.

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>>145514373
Who the fuck is the captain of team A, and why isn't it this man instead?

>>145519351
>1.8 X 1011 watts
What is the source on this number? A mere 1800 watts is not 'all of the power in Japan'. Hell it's barely a couple of houses.

I think you mean something more like 180,000,000,000 watts or 1.8x10^11

>>145539817
>he hasn't watched gundam

>>145539581
>>145539798
>>145540644
It was copy pasted from Evageeks/Evangelion wikia. They didn't use the ^ symbol.

Nonetheless, 180 million kilowatts is nothing for Kakashi.

>>145541489
What, does he use AMD or something?

>>145541873
You do realize that even the smallest of nuke plants only produce about 500 MW and we're talking about 180,000 MW.

>>145542245
You are suggesting that Kakashi can output as much energy as 350 nuclear power plants son.

>>145542510
Easily.

>>145542138

Lightning is ridiculously strong for a very short time, right? Does this fictional energy shield work in a way that lightning would break through it?

>>145514373
Strongest character on Team A is Gildartz, but he's no match for Gunha or Ramiel.

Team B has this one easy.

>>145543365
That's one way to confirm you're retarded.

There are literally 3-4 characters on Team A that can defeat Ramiel. You Evafags just hate seeing your entities lose.

>>145537759
You do realize the Jeweled Sword provides unlimited mana, right? And that unlimited mana can be converted into a beam? It's basically infinite damage, which would easily overkill Berserker an infinite times over.

Kakashi, Gildartz, Doflamingo and Tsuna is just too much speed and firepower for Team B.

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>>145514373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdU8dyjgXU0

>>145543076
An average lightning strike would be 2.5 gigawatts, compared to 180 gigawatts.

>>145543689
Why the hell are people even arguing Kakashi versus Ramiel? Ramiel can fly and is utterly massive. Kakashi is better off fighting the other humans here. Let the actual heavy hitters that can fly take care of it.

>>145514373
bright is not a good tactitian and his team is pretty shitty (fucking Yuuya and Tsuna)

Team B is simply so much better

>>145543855
Once again, you haven't read Naruto Shippuuden.

Raikiri in his Susanoo Form is enough to obliterate a mountain and easily enough to penetrate Ramiel's AT Field. You Evafags just never get it.

In all of this bickering, I've forgotten to ask. Are we using Ramiel from the original series or from Rebuild?

>>145544528
OP's picture is original.

>>145544804
And someone in this thread had said their strongest version. That and there's more feats for Ramiel in Rebuild. Although rewatching the clips of the fight from both version, the laser does seem to be insanely fast, possibly relatavistic. Original version's best destruction feat seems to be several buildings and hillside, while movie version literally melted off half of an entire mountain. That's kinda ridiculous.

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>>145545182
If it's a true "laser," then by definition it's lightspeed. You could simply cite artistic license for having a "travel time" for the beam. Else it could be a plasma cannon and have a sub-c velocity.

Well, that being said, Ramiel's true strongest form is pic related.

>>145546500
Relativistic speed means significant proportion of the speed of light, which is sub-c velocity. I'm just saying the word laser since it's easier to say than 'unknown beam of unknown energy'.

>>145547552
I know. That being said, the practical difference between relativistic and light speed velocities would be negligible unless the distance at which fighting takes place is on the order of 10,000 km or more.

>>145514373

>Screams geometrically
>Bahsahkah
>Awaken my masters

B meme magic is strong

If we are using rebuild ramiel, then its artillery capacity is way too much