Kizumonogatari

I was upset they skipped out on his inner monologue of him valuing his life before giving it to Kiss Shot.

Just finished Nademonogatari. Ask me anything.

>>145397267
Dumb stylistic choice. For how francophilistic the film pretends to be, narration would have made it much more noir.

>>145397923
Brief plot overview?

literally nothing about this was monogatari-tier other than the setting

>>145397923
How much CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT happens?

>>145397267
Show >>> Tell

>>145398067
I'm phoneposting so I can't go into much detail, but Nadeko's parents tell her to stop screwing around, graduate middle school, and get a job. Nadeko knows she would be useless in the work force and wants to have enough time to work on her manga, so Ononoki helps her make four doubles to work as her manga assistants: Shy Nadeko (Bake version), Flirty Nadeko (Nise version), Anti-Nadeko (angry Otori version), and God Nadeko. The clones run off and Nadeko has to apprehend them, with some help from Ougi and Ononoki. She faces her own self from various points in her life and comes up with clever plans to catch each of them. At the end, Gaen hires her as a specialist, which was Ononoki's plan all along.

>>145398262
Ononoki gets her hair cut short at a point, but it's only temporary.

Japan for some reason thinks it's haram to include narration that was present in the source material, especially when it's vital to the plot.

>>145397923
post summary

>>145397267

After kiss-shot's glorious tits, I just couldn't focus on anything that followed. It didn't help that the rest was all talk and I've read the book twice. I'll give the movie 4/10

>>145399088
Sounds interesting. Did you like it?

Also Nadeko clever? Is this possible?

>>145399088
>Gaen hires her as a specialist

You know, I fucking hate Nadeko but I want this to be true so badly. It would honestly be the best outcome for Nadeko.

Does it mention in which regards she hires her? Is she like Episode as in an outside consultant or like Oshino/Kaiki etc when she's now studying under Gaen?

>>145399775
None of the narration was vital to the plot as far as kizu goes. Also show don't tell. Fuck all of you

>>145398838
>>145401974
I liked Kizu's approach but I don't want to be associated with that meme.

>>145402343
>kys
When did this shit become acceptable here? Fuck off.

>>145401387
It was my favorite Off Season book by far.

>>145401973
It's not totally clear, but it sounds like Gaen just wants her to help with some beginner-level jobs.

>>145399088
is this fucking real? what the shit is that plot

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>>145399088
neat
also a doll getting a haircut

>>145403792
you sure out 'eme'd them boy

>>145397267
Really? That's the best part
>>145403792
Kill yourself has been a thing since 2012 or earlier.

As for "kys" yeah that's reddit.

But to be fair, I'm a monogatarifag and I have autistic hate for Reddit.

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>>145399088
>Nadeko becoming one of the specialists
Holy shit

>>145399088
It was only Ononoki who gets a haircut? Other anon said Sodachi got one as well.

>>145404430
Oh, that's right. Sodachi does have a haircut, which she says she got when she started college.

Nadeko obviously has one too, but we've known that since Owari 3.

>>145404348
Well, if Gaen wanted an easy-to-manipulate pawn then she sure picked the right girl.

>>145399088
>and comes up with clever plans to catch each of them
>clever
This has to be fake.

>>145403378
>>145404348

It makes sense for Gaen to train Nadeko in oddity related shit.
Kaiki's makeshift fix for her god issues didn't actually cure the problem but now that she'll have to deal with oddities on the regular and have ways to deal with them, when her own shit comes back to haunt her then she'll be able to deal with it.

I'm just hoping she goes the Kaiki or Tadatsuru route since she's obviously not skilled enough to be Gaen, Oshino or Yozuru and given we've seen her drawings can be brought to life, she could use familiars like Tadatsuru.

>>145404971
Snake's opponent is herself from the past. Even she should be able to outsmart that.

>>145404971
>>145404679
The whole point of Nade is that Nadeko grew up and is attempting to improve herself. Let the meme go.

>>145405080
Just because she's trying doesn't wipe away everything that she started as. Multiple novels of her being stupid and gullible is plenty of reason for people to be skeptical that she's suddenly being clever.

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>>145405080
>Let the meme go.

Careful reminder to all anon. Please do not let the Meme go. If your local Meme stands on a roof and waves at you, be wary that your Meme is about to leave.

See the warning signs and act as soon as possible.

>>145405229
But we've seen her improving herself for 3 novels now, so this isn't new.

>>145405080
she's always been retarded

How are the commie subs for the first movie? Are they filled with memes or?

>>145407594
When has commie ever not been shit?

>>145407594
Less memes than usual, but still a couple instances. They also change a bunch of lines for no discernible reason, but don't go completely off track. So slightly better than their usual efforts.

>>145407835
I guess I can go with that then, thanks.

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>>145399088
>stop screwing around, graduate middle school, and get a job
I don't remember, where Nadako's parents show to be mean or desperate for money before this point? Seems kinda silly. Unless someone put the parents up to pushing Nadeko like that.

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>>145397267
>muh 10 minutes of Muraragi talking about Hanekawa's pantsu.

>>145408103
Don't add letters that don't belong. His name is Araragi.

>>145408061

They basically treated her like those parents who try to live vicariously through their children by dolling them up and putting them in pageants. Like Kaiki said when he talked to them, they had no desire to know her as a person. So them figuring out her true self and telling her to just go get a job isn't surprising.

Ironically, also found out by Kaiki, she still loves them, fucked up as they are. Not as fucked up as Hanekawa's stepparent or Sodachi's, but pretty fucked up

>>145408061
The idea is that she was always a perfectly obedient child that never gave them problems, so once they were suddenly faced with the problem of their child becoming a shut-in, they had no idea how to deal with it and just got fed up.

>>145399088

>Gaen hires Nadeko as a specialist

Okay. Nisio has to be trolling now hardcore. Are you telling me that both Gaen and Oshino passed up Hanekawa, who has the most talent for this shit, even upon hearing her escapades in Tsubasa Sleeping, and Nisio decides to have Nadeko get training instead?

While I like Nadeko getting some purpose, she already wanted to be a manga artist and had good talent for that.

I swear, Hanekawa is gonna accidently save the world several times and those bums still won't think to actually train her.

>>145409930
They probably don't think they can handle Hanekawa. Gaen in particular probably sees her as a threat.

>>145409930
Everyone expected Araragi and Shinobu, Hanekawa and Kanbaru to become specialists.

Maybe Nisio is just trolling everyone and making the least likely characters specialists instead for the conclusion. And then announce a sequel series.

>>145409930
It's more like Gaen will have Nadeko do some jobs for her. I don't Hanekawa would be willing to do what Gaen tells her to do, since they don't like each other.

Oshino also doesn't like Hanekawa and probably is completely uninterested in training people anyway.

>>145410418
Araragi specifically doesn't want to get too wrapped up with the supernatural. He probably won't be able to avoid it if he does have an extended lifespan, but he's going to try to be normal for as long as possible.

Spoiler anon here. I'm home, so I'll post a more detailed summary. Some of it I've already posted before.

Nadeko's parents tell her to stop fucking around, graduate from middle school, and go get a job. Nadeko is troubled because that doesn't give her enough time to sharpen her manga skills, and also she knows she would be absolutely useless in the work force. Nadeko and Ononoki have been friends ever since Tsukihi Undo, and Ononoki puts forth the idea that Nadeko should draw four copies of herself and Ononoki will bring them to life to work as her manga assistants. She draws her Bake self, her Nise self, her Otori self when she flipped out on the class, and her Goddess self. As soon as they come to life, however, all of the clones fuck off, so Nadeko and Ononoki go chasing after them and capture them.

Nadeko first runs into Ougi-kun, who tells her that he just saw her going to school. When they sneak inside the school to go find her, "Flirty Nadeko" (Nise version) is there, surrounded by classmates who she's happily chatting with. To get the classmates away from her, Ougi pulls the fire alarm. After Nadeko seals Flirty Nadeko in a piece of paper, Ougi and Nadeko escape through the halls on Ougi's mountain bike.

Nadeko and Ougi split up after that, and Nadeko immediately gets word of a middle school girl running around town wearing nothing but bloomers, which she assumes is "Shy Nadeko" (Bake version). Following the rumors, she instead ends up running into Sodachi at Shirohebi Park. Sodachi is there skipping class because she's having a hard time fitting in at university. The two of them have a heartfelt conversation and Sodachi gives Nadeko some life advice.

>>145410745
After they go their separate ways, Nadeko gets the idea that Shy Nadeko might be headed for the Araragi's house. When she goes there, she sees that someone has already forcibly broken in. When she goes to Araragi's room, Anti-Nadeko (Otori version) is lying in wait for her and tries to murder her with a chisel. Thinking fast, Nadeko hides the magical paper under her clothes and Anti-Nadeko accidentally seals herself when she tries to stab the shit out of Nadeko.

Nadeko goes to Kita-Shirahebi Shrine next to look for God Nadeko, but instead she finds Ononoki completely dismembered. Apparently, God Nadeko used Shy Nadeko as bait and then wrecked Ononoki's shit. Nadeko helps but Ononoki back together, then they go back to Nadeko's house to regroup and strategize.

http://www.cineplex.com/Movie/kizumonogatari-part-1

Kizu in Canada on August 28th.

>>145410745
>>145410887
Really want to read this one. Like I said, it sounds interesting. (especially the Anti-Nadeko part)

>>145410887
Ononoki suggests the strategy that Nadeko use the shikigami she caught to help fight the remaining Nadekos. The original problem was that Nadeko summoned too many shikigami at once to control, but if she unseals them one at a time, it should be fine. Nadeko is reluctant, but agrees to the plan.

They leave for the final confrontation. God Nadeko is hiding out on the second floor of the town bookstore. Ononoki and Nadeko plan to get the drop on her, but Nadeko sees Shy Nadeko reading a book on the first floor and thinks it's a good chance to sneak up and seal her first. It turns out that was a trap, and the bookshelves come tumbling down to crush her. She unwittingly unseals Flirty Nadeko at the last second, who holds up the bookshelf long enough to let Nadeko get away, and then gets crushed out of existence.

>[Commie] Kizumonogatari - 01 [BD 1080p AAC] [835FC13B].mkv

Be honest /a/. How bad good it is?

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>>145410745
Did she meet Sodachi before? (Tsukihi Undo? Sodachi Fiasco?)

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>>145411204
Yes. She isn't an Araragi, so she doesn't have shitty memory.

>>145411121
When Nadeko and Ononoki get far enough up the stairs to see the second floor, they see a hundred Nadekos wearing nothing but bloomers. God Nadeko mass-produced her own shikigami by photocopying one of her drawings. The shikigami are functionally useless, but having a bunch of them as distractions makes it easier for God Nadeko to stay hidden. Ononoki tells Nadeko to come up with a plan. After working stuff out behind the scenes, Ononoki blasts a bunch of NPC Nadekos with Unlimited Rule Book (she can only use it once because she's still in bad condition) to clear the floor. Then two identical Nadekos show themselves to confront God Nadeko. God Nadeko hesitates for a moment, but then decides that if she can't tell which one is the real Nadeko, she'll just kill both. One of the NPC Nadekos then comes up from behind and seals God Nadeko in a piece of paper. The two Nadekos who were killed were decoys (Anti-Nadeko and a shikigami Anti-Nadeko drew), and the real Nadeko took off her clothes and put on bloomers to blend in with the NPC Nadekos.

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>>145411513
>a hundred Nadekos wearing nothing but bloomers

>>145411513
Finally, the real Shy Nadeko is the only one left. Nadeko runs out to go track her down, having guessed where she must be, when Ougi picks her up in Araragi's Volkswagen. Ougi says he knows where she needs to go and he'll take her there. He ends up taking them to Senjougahara's apartment complex, figuring Shy Nadeko went there to go murder Gahara. Nadeko, in the style of Anti-Nadeko, calls him dumbass piece of shit motherfucker who can't do anything right.

The real place Nadeko wanted to go is Naoetsu High School. Shy Nadeko is waiting by the school gate for Araragi. Nadeko tells her this is wrong and she has to move on and stop waiting for him. Shy Nadeko cries, asking Nadeko if she forgot how much fun she had waiting for Araragi and being around him. Nadeko hugs Shy Nadeko, reassuring her that she'll fall in love with someone else eventually and feel all those feelings again one day, and then seals her in the paper.

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>>145411864
In the epilogue, Shinobu comes and pays Nadeko a visit by hijacking Tsukihi's shadow. She indirectly helps Nadeko test out her powers (materializing the things she draws) by ordering her to try out a bunch of things. Before Shinobu leaves, Nadeko asks her if she still thinks she "just happened to be cute," but Shinobu has no recollection of saying that in the first place. They part on somewhat awkward but no longer hostile terms.

Finally, Ononoki shows up in Nadeko's room with some news. After telling Gaen about everything that happened and how Nadeko handled the situation on her own, Gaen is interested in having Nadeko do some jobs for her. This is pretty much the perfect opportunity for Nadeko, who has no proper life skills but needs a job lined up after she graduates. Nadeko realizes that this was actually Ononoki's plan the entire time.

>>145411864
>when Ougi picks her up in Araragi's Volkswagen

wew

>>145412160
>Before Shinobu leaves, Nadeko asks her if she still thinks she "just happened to be cute," but Shinobu has no recollection of saying that in the first place. They part on somewhat awkward but no longer hostile terms.

I remember that scene in Otori. Seems like Nadeko grew up a lot. Nice conclusion for her.

Thanks for the summary anon.

>>145397267
Watched part 1 last night, was really disappointed with the lack of narration. I was really hoping that the episode would open with the lines from the start of the book.

When is this shitty series going to finally fucking end?

>>145411864
>Ougi has Araragi's car

Well fuck

>>145413161
In two half-seasons and two third-movies, unless they do the rest.

whens the next one coming out

there are only three words in the english language to describe this movie: good fucking lord

>>145413536
What about in japanese

>>145402516

Maybe about a year ago. Maybe you need to get on top of your shit already /a/. For all the complaining about the awful constant shitposting, baiting and failed attempts at creating memes it sure doesn't seem like anybody is doing anything about it.

>>145404086

Seems like a pretty typical Monogatari plot that people always used to call a masterpiece before

>>145413161

As long as it keeps making easy effortless money it will never end same as a long running shonen manga or things like popular idol anime. It's at the point where he's managed to get so many fanatically devoted fanboys and girls that the guy could literally just write one word for 200 pages and it'd still sell the exact same amount as it always does including the adapted version. Honestly once Endless Eight got deemed acceptable and still outsold the vast majority of anime despite being 95% the same content for 4 straight volumes and Bakemonogatari became the best selling anime by average of it's decade despite all of their problems it just showed the mindset of the fanatical otaku for the whole industry to see and the writing was on the wall the way things were going to play out from 2009 onward particularly where it concerned light novel stuff. This franchise fans literally do not care what happens with the series and cast as long as they are seen to be supporting the thing they are fanatically devoted too. Like no sense of financial self-preservation, concept of value or even common sense or any sign that any real thought goes into any of this process really.

>>145397267
Because everyone in Japan has read the LN at this point and so you should have as well.

>>145414461
>>145413161
Do the people who bitch like this actually read it? The series has not taken a drop in quality and the later installments are some of the best ones. People aren't buying it just because they're mindlessly devoted, they're buying it because they still enjoy the characters and story. Nisio set himself up for an interesting extended universe, so I don't see why it's a problem if he wants to keep writing in it.

Kizumonogatari interview summaries: http://pastebin.com/Qs1HNugz

>>145414651
>20 days
>longer than the usual time it takes him to write a novel
What the ever loving fuck? When does Nisio sleep?

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>>145410522

Araragi is the supernatural no matter what, ever since his bond with Kiss-shot.

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Wonder what the hell MusubiMonogatari will be about.

>>145412160
>Ononoki's plan the entire time

Well damn

I think the lack of narration fit the tone of isolation and surrealism. It just would have been too comfy with based Araragi laying out the truth about men being the most careful on the way home from buying porn.

The gag they did for his purchase was amazing though. The movie had just the right amount of silly shit to not be intolerably aloof, like the squeaky head pat. That shit made everyone in our theater laugh.

>>145397427
I think that's the one thing they might have absolutely made a mistake on. It really depends on if they are going to go for a variation on the themes of the LN to go along with the tonal changes. It might work out in the end, but I'd consider it a fault if Parts 2 and 3 end up being "straight" adaptions.

>>145414651
>At first she wasn't confident about voicing Shinobu because she hadn't voiced many children, so she enjoyed voicing adult Kissshot, who's closer to her age.

Maaya confirmed for old hag

Are we still waiting for good subs?

>>145415038
>MusubiMonogatari will be about

At this point I want some Araragi as I miss him even if I got a bad feeling.

>>145415344
I want Deathtopia and Kissshot.

>>145414651
>He wanted to make the movie erotic and visceral like the light novel

Did pretty decent.

>>145415321

Not really

>>145411122
I was actually just searching for subs for this, I downloaded one and it was 1280x544 for some reason.

>>145415397
Wouldn't be surprised if down the line if Nisio keeps writing the LN's that Deathtopia would give Araragi a stupid name.

>>145411122
Preferred Sephirotic oddly.

>>145415472
So there's been better ones released since Commie's?

>>145416162
There's only one, and it's really only stylistically different (arguably the kanji conversation is worse though, imo)

>>145415808
Considering the amount of bullshit Araragi has been through, a silly name wouldn't be the worst.

>>145416306
>arguably the kanji conversation is worse though
In commie's or sephirotic's?

>>145414123
>implying the current userbase of /a/ is capable of making funny and original memes

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>>145411864
>Shy Nadeko cries, asking Nadeko if she forgot how much fun she had waiting for Araragi and being around him. Nadeko hugs Shy Nadeko, reassuring her that she'll fall in love with someone else eventually and feel all those feelings again one day, and then seals her in the paper.
I'm proud of you snek.

>>145412160
>Nadeko realizes that this was actually Ononoki's plan the entire time.
Based Doll saving the day once again.

>>145416810
Seph and that N2's TL

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>>145415763
Use the raw with v2 in it, and then get the .ass for seph subs.

>>145414855
But he's actively trying to not get too involved. He wants to go to college, get a job, and raise a family, much more than he wants to be a specialist.

>>145415161
squeaky headpat sound webm where

>>145412160
>Before Shinobu leaves, Nadeko asks her if she still thinks she "just happened to be cute," but Shinobu has no recollection of saying that in the first place.
I can't decide which is most likely:
-Shinobu actually forgot.
-She remembers, but was lying.
-She never said it in the first place and Nadeko only though she did because she was playing the victim card so hard.

>>145411122
great, entirely competent release.

>>145420001
Or it's just some 4th wall breaking joke.

Why do all the encodes look like they're from a TV broadcast?

>>145414651

Bullshit propaganda more like it

>>145415161

See the thing with this franchise is it's so cold and empty but employs a lot of weird stylistic bullshit that you can spin any sort of flaw or lacking element any way you need to make it seem like some masterstroke of genius and totally intentional for artistic purposes. It really is the holy grail of this sort of stuff and a large reason why it's so endearing and popular. It's literally impossible for it to have a "bad installment" with the marketing and fans giving it enough spin.

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>>145420257
Because the japs don't know shit about how to make blurays, and also because the animation is subpar.

>>145397267

So that people can keep asking this question obviously.

>>145420801
You could also try coming up with a counter-argument, maybe mention specific scenes or details to support your view. I know it must be frustrating to try to troll about a work as great as Kizu (in any of its forms), but you should put at least a little effort into it.

>>145401333

Yup certainly never seen tits in an anime before. Sure does set this one apart from other anime doesn't it?

>>145416861

Yes lets not set the expectation bar too high here. I'm actually with you on this one, people here fucking suck at being funny and clever. Most of these things just come across as angry and copied from somewhere. /a/ might as well be the Carlos Mencia of the internet when it comes to comedic stylings.

>>145421061
I'm sorry but are you looking for congratulations on being a loser?

>>145421039

Here's the thing, I really don't care dude. I'll probably end up putting about as much effort into this one as the average /a/ poster does into their own clever little comments. In short might as well just say some shit like the rest of you because in the end it really doesn't fucking matter much either way, this topic is just going to bleed over into another equally stupid one by tomorrow.

what went wrong?

How can you have 7 years to make a film that is guaranteed to make profit and still be so lazy as to use CG models for far away shots? There's literally 7 different characters they need to draw.

>>145421104

Maybe a contextually relevant reply at the very least. Second chances for everyone but I'm sure they'll manage to blow it like they always do here.

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>>145417918
Thanks anon

>>145405229
>Just because she's trying doesn't wipe away everything that she started as.
Araragi started off as a retard too. For that matter, so did Heart Under Blade. What matters isn't what you did before, but what you will do NOW.

>>145421143
You don't really care, which is why you seem to be familiar with threads on the topic and you've come to post your low energy trolling in this one. I suppose if you want to consider the average /a/ poster an incompetent shitposter, then you do match up to that indeed.

>>145421155

Not giving a fucking shit, having a terrible planner like Aniplex that just does tons of stealth marketing and lying and then splits popular guaranteed to sell to waifu otaku things up into separate parts for blatant exploiting of fanatical fan groups that can't help themselves (we're talking about the sorts of people that'll inevitably Darwin Award themselves the bloodless way) and a studio that were it not for stealth marketing and millenials wouldn't even been relevant today let alone seen as some kind of industry pace setter when they're anything but.

In before some reply like >durr hurr Aniplex guy hurr durr replying to a troll hurr durr ignore durr

Guess what, it's fucking /a/, there is no high standard to be achieved here so here's another pre-emptive who fucking cares before it happens cause I said the name that must not be said even though even knows it's probably what happened.

>>145409377
>Ironically, also found out by Kaiki, she still loves them, fucked up as they are. Not as fucked up as Hanekawa's stepparent or Sodachi's, but pretty fucked up
Well of course. Even though God Nadeko was insane, she never once considered harming her parents. She could have done anything she wanted, so the fact that harming her parents wasn't on the cards shows that she doesn't resent them.

>>145421332

>Insert clever fucking shitpost reply here

>>145421309

No I don't really care what you think in the long run. You're not that important whoever you are, just some faceless anon whose shit that he's saying matters about as much as the next person just vomiting out words in the thread.

>>145420996
So the BD encode is fucked from the start?

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>>145421378
If there was a good encode, we would have seen it by now.

>>145421309

If the shoe fits wear it. Look around you, it might not be as bad as it was last week but the people here are kind of a fucking joke 99% of the time. If they aren't just trying to obviously bait some other person with an extreme opinion they clearly don't actually hold then they're getting facts that anybody that actually watches anime and not just Sony mass marketed stuff like Monogatari and the Fate series blatantly wrong. Why should I take you people especially seriously anymore after the kind of shit I've witnessed even just in the last month?

>>145421372
Now you're starting to hit your stride. Should have at least mentioned the topic in passing to give me more to reply to, but I wouldn't expect you to be that good.

>>145421341
Didn't she consider harming Tsukihi? Who she wanted to harm as god nadeko wasn't related to who she resented. She mostly focused on Araragi and people around him.

>>145420996

Why give a shit when it's guaranteed to sell. Honestly fanatical buyers with no standard are the biggest problem facing the industry right now because they drive the industries standards down over time too. There's just no clear standard for quality assurance or any sort of accountability for any of this shit barring something stupid that shouldn't matter like an idol seiyuu getting married, having a life or children, not responding to a gift the right way or anything like that and social reject otaku having melt downs and trying to murder them over it. Other than that apparently anything goes. I bet /a/ thinks this is super cool and an awesome status quo cause it leads to more shit and degradation for shitposting.

>>145421450

Life's a bitch and we don't always get what we want do we?

>>145421558
Honestly they would gain much more praise with MINIMAL effort by just having everything done at a higher resolution from start to finish. They draw this stuff on paper in the first stages, right? Can't they just jack up everything to 4K and release digitally?

>>145421332
when did it all go wrong?

>>145421650
When was the last time you didn't have anything to watch during a season?

>>145421175

I'm terribly sorry if I've wrongfully (you)'d you. I didn't mean to disappoint you, senpai.

>>145402297

>Show don't tell

How is that a meme? It's literally taking advantage of the one thing cinema has over writing. It's basics.

>>145422372
"Show, don't tell" is a writing thing to begin with.

>>145397267
I've loved all the books, but i really don't think his monologue was necessary for Kizu. This has been one of my favourite adaptations thus far.

>He thought Hanekawa and Meme could be a good couple since they're special to each other: Hanekawa is the only person Meme is uncomfortable around, and Meme is one of the few people Hanekawa looks up to.

Damn it Oishi.

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>>145422618
And? His point still stands. Reddit tier comment

havent seen any monogatari show since nisemonogatari aired, how many parts are out now and is it worth watching

>>145414651

>He thought Hanekawa and Meme could be a good couple since they're special to each other: Hanekawa is the only person Meme is uncomfortable around, and Meme is one of the few people Hanekawa looks up to

Nisio. Nisio pls. Pls no. Don't do it.

And he didn't mention Gaen, so it's only Hanekawa he is uncomfortable around?

But again don't do it Nisio. Hanekawa deserves a decent guy, not someone who actually took the side of parents who think nothing of neglecting a child for their own ego.

But he would do that, it would be one of the most ultimate trolls.

Hitagi Rendezvous 005 is out, by the way.

http://tarabletranslation.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/owarimonogatari-3-hitagi-rendezvous-005/

>>145428075
Shinbo thinks Araragi should be with Hanekawa over Senjougahara too, so I doubt his opinion counts for much.

>>145427650
>how many parts are out now
Too many

>is it worth watching
With every new "season" it loses more of its appeal. When Bake aired it was cool and new and different and weird and refreshing and a thousand other buzzwords, but at this point it's a never ending story featuring different flavor pun dispensers in a place composed entirely of random cool backdrops and a plot that's a set of the same "witty" back and forths we've seen a hundred times already spread out over a rough synopsis.

>>145428891
Bake was one of the worst, content-wise.

>>145428102
>tfw still waiting for the part when Ougi appears

Sweating about it

>>145429156
Next chapter, my man.

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>>145429601
Excellent

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>>145428102

Just started reading through it.

Hitagi wants to name her daughter Tsubasa. I don't know what to feel. Hell, how would Hanekawa feel about that, in her heart of hearts? Joy? Charmed by the love of her friend (although these two girls seem to have more than a friendship type of love going on, or more than a regular strength of the usual friendship). Might be the most interesting result of a triangle I have seen in awhile.

>>145429807
I love that they love each other so much instead of being petty rivals like most triangles.

Though as far as the type of love goes, the novel version of Neko White was pretty gay.

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>>145428075
>And he didn't mention Gaen, so it's only Hanekawa he is uncomfortable around?

Gaen is part of the reason he's uncomfortable around Hanekawa.
Imagine having to deal with Gaen for such a prolonged period of time that you quit university just to escape her and forgo a mobile phone explicitly to avoid speaking to her.
Now imagine after trying your best to avoid that girl, you find a girl who on the surface is extremely similar if not just a bit nicer.

Of course you would be wary, it's the correct response to have given the amount of control Gaen extends.
Even after Tsubasa helps find Oshino, the fact he's still weary of her even after her character development is still very much the correct course of action in his situation.
He is the man who avoided Gaen like the plague but still managed to be found by Hanekawa in the last place anyone would think to look.

Hanekawa is honestly the second most dangerous person in the series after Tadatsuru and Tadatsuru is only more dangerous because while he generally only targets oddities, he was going to straight up murder humans like Kanbaru had his respect/fear of Tooe Gaen not stopped him.

>>145431435
Hanekawa is genuinely a good person, though. She's just smart and good at seeing through people. Those aren't bad qualities in someone who will use them for good.

>>145430083

I guess this is what was meant by Hitagi saying that her relationship with Hanekawa was special, and why Kanbaru in Nise didn't like it, because said the two had their own world, all to themselves.

Whatever could Nisio be implying.

>>145431551
>Hanekawa is genuinely a good person, though

This is true and part of the issue. Hanekawa stops people from facing their own issues because she's so effective at doing her job that "helping you help yourself" becomes difficult.
Ougi brings it up that being too good at something can bring it's own form of "bad balance" and Ougi was right.
When someone is handing out the answers for you, it stops your own growth which leads on to a knock-on effect of the person not actually coming to the proper conclusion within themselves which will stop future oddities.

An odd parallel to how Hanekawa does things is actually everyone's favourite Punch Wizard, Yozuru Kagenui.
They both butt in and are way too effective at their job but the difference comes in that Yozuru's methodology means that the Oddity can't come back to be a hassle to that person.
It isn't the best end given the person affected by the oddity is still a mental wreck but it does solve the oddity issue.

Hanekawa/Yozuru are more than capable of solving oddity issues but not letting the person deal with it themselves leaves them still a broken person.

Kaiki is an example of what happens when you makeshift fix a person. Nadeko wasn't really fixed at all, none of her problems really got solved by the end but he just suggested the Numachi Rouka approach to her life in an attempt to stop the immediate threat and hopefully have her running away might have time heal her issue.

>>145431822
Guess Oshino is based.

>>145431822
I don't see how Kaiki failed to help Nadeko. He gave her a goal in life to work for.

>>145433030
Nadeko still has all the exact same issues she had before she became God. His entire advice in the end was "You don't need to face your issue. You just need to avoid it hard enough that it never comes up again."
Numachi and Kaiki have that in common. If you run, eventually time will sort your issues. It is probably part of the reason that Numachi and Kaiki respect each-other as conartists.

>>145433279
How is that what Kaiki said at all? He told her to stop clinging to Araragi and do something with her life she could be proud of.

>>145433360
He stopped her from seeing Araragi to stop her from relapsing.
He says the same thing to Araragi when he appears after Kaiki finishes his business.
If Oshino had dealt with the issue, Nadeko would have faced her issues, grown as a person and been able to speak to Araragi normally with zero reserve since that is what comes with successfully helping yourself.

Kaiki gave her an escape option which was "Do something you like, humans don't necessarily live to be happy but something good might happen once in a while."
It did nothing to actually solve her issues, it just gave her a way to avoid them.

>>145431822

The difference lies in that Hanekawa doesn't just try to help the person thoughtlessly, that is more Araragi's flaw than hers.

I think the only really bad decision she made was telling Araragi not to mention Sodachi's dead mother to her, but then she reprimanded herself for the harm that thoughtless niceness would cause and changed her opinion.

Even the one issue with her helping the Fire Sisters, that she got chastized for what happened to Karen, and Araragi mentioned Oshino saying Hanekawa was too smart for her own good, implied that she didn't think about what to do in that situation. Karen ran after Kaiki by herself before Hanekawa could meet and talk with her. Hanekawa just didn't mention what she planned to do to prepare after meeting Karen and before confronting Kaiki, because she never makes excuses and humbly takes into regard any reprimand someone gives her. Well, maybe except for Gaen, who is the only one she ever gets actually pissed at. Even Oshino, who she probably has never had any sort of welcoming presence from, she respects wholeheartedly.

So the current Hanekawa is more teasing with her advice, but she always patiently waits for the person to come to their own conclusions and thinks about their best interest. While Gaen takes an extremely heavy-handed "look down from on high and use the pawns" approach, and Oshino is too much of a loner type of guy who takes balance over thinking about the person in question, meaning he also makes rather insensitive, taking serious discussions in a rude flippant manner.

Hanekawa takes more of a middle ground of being strict enough without seeming completely uninterested in the person themselves that she helps. Something she proved by being tough on Sodachi, but extending a hand right afterward.

>>145421612
>They draw this stuff on paper in the first stages, right? Can't they just jack up everything to 4K and release digitally?
You can scan paper as high DPI as is possible on your scanner, but it still generates a raster image not a vector one.

They literally need to draw on larger paper to compensate for the difference. This is a huge pain in the ass and hugely expensive because you need scanners large enough to scan the drawings. Also larger sheets of paper are unwieldy and more prone to tearing and damage.

>>145433736
Then go full-digital since they already use computer graphics for 90% of their shows?

>>145433694
That is ultimately how good character development worked in her favour.
She grew as a person and understood that Oshino's way is the correct way to deal with any oddity related issue.
Gaen actually still runs the same way as Hanekawa. She gives you the situation and items you need to actually sort your issue but she does it by forcing you into the position rather than gently leading you into it.

I can respect Gaen's way more because from how we see it, she's much shorter on time but still tries heavily to preserve the balance.
She makes Araragi take responsibility for the actions caused by his mistakes but throughout the entire arc she gives him access to the items he's going to need to proceed and correct these issues.
He gives her Kanbaru when he's lost by the Snail, she rescues him from Seishiro using Episode when he nearly drops himself, she gives him a stun gun bamboo sword and helpful conditions to his duel with Seishiro even though she wants him to ignore the duel since him dying to Kokorowatari at that point in time wouldn't have achieved anything, not at least until she could get Yumewatari.

Gaen is very much the Hospital Director to Hanekawa's Head Doctor.

>>145433781
>full-digital
Not easy to do, no artist afaik does it full digital like you describe. Its no joke doing the initial pencils digitally, all artists whose workflow I've read about do their pencilling on paper and then scan the image and do the inking onwards digitally on top.

Inking digitally is one thing since you are tracing the pencil draft (i.e. you have guide lines), but drawing from scratch on a blank digital canvas is much more time consuming and requires a much higher level of initial investment in training in traditional to digital transitions. Even the new kids on the block who're more comfortable with digital do their pencils on paper.

>>145433898

Hanekawa may be too gentle at times, but I think being more human about things ultimately solves the problem in its entirety while enabling someone to feel good about themselves.

No matter how harsh you are, if a person wasn't ready to do something, they won't do it, even if they have the potential to help themselves.

Oshino and Gaen are too focused on the balance. It's too chessboardy, something Hanekawa actively avoids being, or feels bad if she uses people. Oshino suggested to Araragi to marry Hanekawa to give her the family she wants, instead of helping him to understand that while she desires a family, it's being accepted, a place to belong, that fulfills her, he totally flubbed that up.

And Gaen just does what she will, almost purposefully fostering resentment. When you get right down to it, though Kaiki and Oshino may hate it, their positive and negative traits may have been nurtured by her, because some are astonishingly similiar.

>>145433477
That's not really as big of a deal as you're making it out to be. Keeping your distance from someone you need to move on from is incredibly normal and sometimes the right thing to do.

>>145434408
>When you get right down to it, though Kaiki and Oshino may hate it, their positive and negative traits may have been nurtured by her, because some are astonishingly similiar.

I came to the same conclusion. Oshino's methodology and boner for balance at the cost of the human element really speak to me that he's adapted Gaen's methods for his own usage just without the sweet clairvoyance.
Though given he is called "Oshino the Opportunist" and Tadatsuru and Kagenui independently talk about how Oshino makes a lot of plans so that he can account for as much as possible, I think that shows Oshino's lack of ability forcing him to adapt Gaen's style to fit him rather than him being able to copy paste it.

Kaiki on the other hand seems to actually understand people generally but from an impersonal way.
That's sorta where his and Gaen's issues come from, they can understand people perfectly fine but if you can't empathize then you don't properly understand the results that can come from your actions IE Senjougahara not leaving her mother when Kaiki ruined the family or Araragi choosing Shinobu over Hanekawa and Senjougahara.

I'd argue that Yozuru's strong personality making her the one person Gaen doesn't like is to her benefit. While Gaen still manages to manipulate Yozuru, she doesn't seem to derive the same enjoyment from it like she does when she picks on Kaiki or Oshino.
Tadatsuru mentions how surprising it is that Gaen can actually move "the wild beast" Yozuru while Gaen explicitly mentions her dislike of Yozuru to Hanekawa back in Neko White.

>>145434568
Normally I'd agree but Monogatari has explicit consequences of not sorting your issue.
You get more oddities affecting your life and it will continue as long as you don't do anything to solve it,

>>145434568
This is how Monogatari is written. Things are taken to extremes and things are very explicit.

>>145428891
I agree with this. Also Nise happened and ruined the characters for me.

>>145434784
>>145434916
But the solution IS that she stops seeing him so she can properly move on. She's not running away from her problems, she's actively making a choice to keep her distance.

It's presented as the right solution by the text, and she still hopes that one day she'll reach a point where she can have a proper conversation with Shinobu and Senjougahara?

>>145412160
>>145420001
Yeah was thinking about that.

How are the translations of non-Kizu novels? I've been wanting to read them and finally stop being a filthy secondary, but if it's all as bad as the unofficial Kizumonogatari translation then I don't think I can handle it.

>>145435097
Kaiki's solutions have a way of backfiring. It's a common theme in his life that every time he tries to do something good for someone else on a personal level, it fucks up for him.

It's presented in the text as the right option because Nadeko and Kaiki are similar enough in personality for it to work when other methods like Oshino's might not.
In an earlier conversation with Hanekawa, Kaiki warns Hanekawa to avoid becoming like him and Oshino as it is a terrible way to be.

Nadeko avoiding Araragi is a terrible idea from the outset since her best friend lives with Araragi and the chances of running into Araragi are incredibly high.

Ideally Oshino's approach would allow Nadeko to live a normal life like Kaiki wanted for her but Nadeko's personality made her too resistant to wanting to face herself and sort her issues.

The fact Nademonogatari has Nadeko doing that exact thing speaks more to Gaen-vis-Yotsugi's credit than Kaiki's.
Had Gaen not used her oddity to set up a situation where Nadeko could actually fix herself, she was destined to repeat her mistakes.

>>145435361
Gaen didn't do shit. It was all Yotsugi.

Anyway, Nadeko avoiding Araragi is fine because Tsukihi pretty much understands the situation and just goes over to Nadeko's house instead. It's not like everything is going to fall apart forever if Nadeko and Araragi cross paths, anyway, they just shouldn't hang out anymore.

>>145397267
The entire movie would be Araragi talking then which is not ideal.

>>145435361
>>145435506
Also, Nademonogatari is not when Nadeko starts improving herself, it's just the culmination. She is already remarkably better even in Owari 3.

>tfw I just want to watch Spooky animated
How may years until Ougi Dark?

>>145435361
>It's a common theme in his life that every time he tries to do something good for someone else on a personal level, it fucks up for him.

You think that is why he tries to find some selfish reason to justify helping others?

From experience, he has been successful in selfish pursuits, but failed when it came to helping others. Even when he genuinely wants to help another, he feels he will fail unless he justifies his actions with personal interest?

>>145412160
>In the epilogue, Shinobu comes and pays Nadeko a visit by hijacking Tsukihi's shadow.

Didn't shinobu say she wouldn't be using the sister's shadows anymore during Karen Ogre? Also when does Nademonogatari takes place?

>>145435608
At least one and a half. Just read the novel.

>>145435506
>Gaen didn't do shit. It was all Yotsugi.

You say that but given the type of oddity Yotsugi is, what Tooe says about her in Zoku, what Gaen says about her in Owari and what Ougi plans to do with her in Owari, a lot of the stuff that would usually be attributed to Yotsugi can't necessarily be Yotsugi's own self-determined actions all the time.
I doubt Gaen didn't have her hand in Nademono in zero way. The results that came from it seem too convenient and it feels like the entire event that spawned from Yotsugi's suggestion smack more of personality correction akin to Kaiki's actions rather than Yotsugi.

Had Tooe and the other exorcists plus our friend Ougi not given their opinion on Yotsugi, I would have agreed that it was all Yotsugi's idea but it casts too much doubt to think Yotsugi was doing that without a command.

>>145435577
Well yeah, being able to call him Araragi-san and not flipping out shows that even for a con-artist and halfbaked exorcist, even Kaiki's attempts to exorcism work once in a while.

Nisio trying to redeem Nadeko after the shit she pulled is rubbish. For example, how would Tsukihi react if she knew what Snake did? It's fucking retarded.

>>145435710
It really can't have been Gaen, though, because the whole point is that Yotsugi was trying to pitch Nadeko's case to Gaen. The amount of free will Yotsugi has is dubious, but the way she acted in Nade can only be explained by her truly caring about Nadeko.

>>145435798
Every single girl in Gatari except Snail tried to kill Araragi at a point. You just have a hateboner for Nadeko in particular, dude.

>>145435641
I think he tries to justify helping people to himself because he's trying to maintain the con-artist persona he's made for himself to himself.
It helps maintain internal consistency and helps him deny that he's a good, self-sacrificing person who is still on the run from his problems that started 20 years earlier.

I personally found Kaiki helping Kanbaru was honestly the sweetest thing he could do.
Not even the more commonly associated thing of taking her out for meat but giving her the one thing Tooe left him.
He gave up that head, for free and without any reservations. It was an item of such importance that a man who tries to have zero attachments still kept it 15 years after the fact because it was a memento of the woman he loved.

I think him talking to Kanbaru actually helped him sort his connection to Tooe out a little and let him finally let go and while I don't think he will have changed too much as a person in that he'll continue to con people, I think he might be able to just lighten up a bit more once in a while.

That really must have been a really heavy burden to carry for someone as soft as Kaiki is.

>>145435798
Nadeko tried to destroy an entire town, Tsukihi included. She's entitled to shit. Nisio never addresses the main issues and that's why he's a fucking hack.

>>145435883
He's not exactly unjustified in his hateboner. Nadeko has done a lot of shit wrong, hasn't repented in any way for it and doesn't show any guilt for her actions.

He probably shouldn't let his hateboner get in the way of objectively judging Nadeko but with the above facts in mind, he's not wrong in his Hateboner being as hard as it is.

>tfw can't open commies website

>>145436045
Except she does feel remorse.

Anime-onlies need to stop talking out their ass about Nadeko. You have zero frame of reference for what she's like afterwards.

>>145436332
She doesn't show any guilt though. We haven't seen her attempt any form of trying to correct her issues.
Just because you feel bad doesn't exactly mean you're trying to be a better person.

Most people's issue with Nadeko is that she's not doing anything to pay for her crimes. That she gets off scot-free afterwards.

Kanbaru has spent her entire time paying back Araragi for saving her in Suruga Monkey and has saved his life multiple times.
Hanekawa has continued to help Araragi and been a great measure of support for him after two of her attempts on his life.

These are examples of people who actively try not to be shit-tier like Nadeko and it works in their favour.

>>145436537
She is willing to accept responsibility for what she did. Also, she was not exactly in her right mind when she served as a God, but she still accepts that she did it and doesn't try to excuse it.

She's done a fine amount of good, considering how she helped out Ononoki and how she's now going to do jobs good Gaen.

>>145436699
>he's done a fine amount of good, considering how she helped out Ononoki and how she's now going to do jobs good Gaen.

Her creation was instrumental in fucking up Tsukihi in Tsukihi Undo and future good jobs we have zero knowledge of are not good examples of her committing good.
Also none of that good is related to the repeated near-death stabbings of Araragi over the month she was God.
Even if she never did any good for the rest of her life, she at the very least should somehow find a way to make up for that.

ougi is my favorite monogatari, will reading ougi dark change my mind?

>>145397267
Araragi isn't really fond of his pre-paradigm shift self and tends to forget stuff as well, so he wouldn't include all the internal monologue.
The thing is everyone who cares for Monogatari has already read the book and made Kizu into a meme till they adapted it, and for me, since I knew what went through Araragi's head because I read the book, made me appreciate the scenes so much more silent than if they included the narration. It's actually pretty impressive.

>>145411121
Damn, this sounds fun as fuck.

>>145410522
He complains when shit goes wrong, naturally, but I don't get the impression that he's as adverse to getting involved with the supernatural as you're saying he is
but rather he's accepted it as an inevitability of the life he leads. It's not just Shinobu (though that is the biggest factor), there's the matter of one of his sisters + Hachikuji who he considers to be his "best friend" (his words, not mine) on top of that.

>>145410745
So is Ougi actually just a free/wandering oddity like what Koyomi intended and not explicitly connected to Kanbaru now like what some people thought?

>>145438068
>So is Ougi actually just a free/wandering oddity like what Koyomi intended and not explicitly connected to Kanbaru now like what some people thought?
That's how it sounds to me. Ougi taking on a male persona seems related to Kanbaru, so he's probably more invested in her than the rest of the gang, but otherwise he seems to have a good deal of freedom.

Why doesn't Shinobu's VA sing openings?

>>145438625
Apparently it's against her artistic principles or some shit.

>>145438800
Wait, no, that's wrong. She has done anime openings, what she doesn't do are character songs, which Monogatari OPs are, so.

So, does the kizu novel jump around from scene to scene like the movie seems to do (such as Araragi talking to shinobu and is suddenly surrounded by vampire hunters)?

>>145440478
It's split up by chapters. Never seemed particularly jarring to me.

>>145437808
If Araragi is really that forgetful, then how does he narrate events that happened months ago in the first place?

>>145440575
Araragi really just forgot two main things in the series, his art project and Sodachi living with him. Most of it seems stuff he didn't pay attention in the first place (people around, clothes), stuff he consciously blocked from his mind (all other Sodachi events) or stuff remembered/told exaggeratedly (maybe like karen's breasts in koyomi).

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>>145429694
I fixed some transparencies.

>>145440883
(Also added gradients to the eyes. Forgot about that.)

>>145428102
>my family is poor so I'll milk that fact as much as I can to get my way
>holy shit Senjougahara is using even her own complexes to her advantage SO SMART
>I'm falling in love all over again
Araragi is pretty fuckin stupid sometimes.

People still care about this garbage?

>>145442078
Was that an unsubtle attempt at a thread bump?