Literally anime about war criminal who killed millions of people.

He didn't do anything wrong.

>>145381317
His planes killed millions of americans
This is very wrong lad

>>145381367
>Americans dying
>Bad
The fact that the only candidates in the American election are all terrible pretty much says a lot about America in itself.

>>145381367
>>145381367
>His planes killed millions of americans
The hero we need.

>>145381367
>killed millions
>MILLIONS

Oy vey! Calm down there, Chaim.

>>145381288
>Literally anime about war criminal who killed millions of people.
But the movie isn't a biopic of General Curtis "bombs away" LeMay.

>>145381288
>ESL tier grammar
fuck off gook, literally the only demographic pissed off by this movie

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>>145381367
yeah and yankee armies killed thousands of dixie americans
nuke the north huh?

>>145381504
>>145381465
>>145381459
>>145381450
>>145381427
t.unit 731

>>145381465
The indiscriminate firebombing of Japan has to be one f the most offensive things I ever learned about in history class. Humans are fucking disgusting as a whole. I wish they didn't teach us about war crimes at all and just successfully kept that shit under cover. I hate knowing about it.

>>145381367
The only bad thing is that they didn't kill all of you.

>>145381585
>The indiscriminate firebombing of Japan has to be one f the most offensive things I ever learned about in history class

Wait till your read how the carpet bombed Europe and killed millions of innocent civilians in the process. Why do you think Nazis are so vilified nowadays? It's because they want to mask and shift blame from all the horror the Allies inflicted. They had to justify it to themselves somehow after the war. The Germans are Demons and Hitler was Satan is a pretty neat way to do just that.

Fuck the Amis.

>>145381585
really? I never felt anything when learning about it and not in some "i m psychopat XDXDX!!!" but more in that me and most of my friend just didn't care about it in the slightest

now it happen to someone I knew/myself then fucking shit I would be mad

Nipps are pure evil and they must be exterminated

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>>145381288

Nolan improved on it.

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>>145381288

>war criminal

Guy made planes. Technology is amoral. He didnu nuttin.

>What was Miyazaki thinking ?

Miyazaki likes flying machines. Does a comic then film about guy who made flying machines.

>>145381585
He who does not know history is doomed to repeat it.

>>145381288
The movie is kinda about Miyazaki struggling with this because he's a self-loathing leftist. He loves warplanes and the genius who designed them, but hates himself for enjoying shit that propagated war. The documentary The Kingdom of Dreams and Madness makes a point of tying this together with otaku culture too, showing Miyazaki trash talking otaku and then showing that he kinda is one when he's hanging out with Anno

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>>145381675
>kraut
>innocent
Bomber Harris did nothing wrong

>>145381288
Ferdinand Porsche designed tanks for the Nazis.

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>>145381524

>Anime turns into SWW debate

Neo-/a/ everyone

>>145381367
>millions

Yeah, no.

You don't ever know your own story, do you? The americans provoked the japanese by fucking with their economy, and they willingly let themselves be attacked at Pearl Harbour, so they'd have an excuse to join the war.

>>145381675

Because they attempted to exterminate entire ethnic groups? Undoubtedly there were Allied crimes (particularly by the USSR) but nothing on the level of the horrors that the Nazis inflicted on Europe. Most civilian deaths caused by the Allies (minus, again, the USSR) were collateral damage from trying to destroy German industry, while extermination of civilians was the very point of Nazi ideology.

tl;dr go back to your containment board

>>145381865
Well it mean that this movie have some intellectual value not only small lolis with big tits

I remember when I first started watching Precure a couple years ago, the first season had an episode that showed the aftermath of the firebombing in a flashback. The one girl's grandma was there for it and you see her as a youngster herself leading a bunch of crying little ones to the top of a hill to watch their town burn to the ground while this sad musicbox melody plays. Just awful.

>>145381801
Not like we don't keep repeating it anyway though.

>>145381768
That's the standard all over the world, and you better realise it. Moralfagging, and the "muh human race we are all equal" bullshit is unique to Europeans. A Jap won't care that Flips suffered at their hands in the war, because Flips are not Japs.

Europeans are the first people to abrogate slavery and condemn imperialism. They're also the only people with an anti-ethnocentric bias, to their detriment.

Miyazaki's film is pretty left-wing by Japanese standards anyway. Like most of his stuff.

>>145381871

The US imposed an embargo on oil imports to Japan because they were waging aggressive war in China.

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Japan dindu nuffin

all these teenage endelord faggots, go backto cutting yourself

ITT: the fascist crossfag containment board is leaking

>>145381906
Nazi Germany perpetrated nothing close to what hell the Communists unleashed on their own turfs. You need to read some actual history, propaganda.

>collateral damage

You really are historically illiterate: they purposely bombed civilians dude. Homes. Schools. Kindergarden buildings. Playgrounds. They carpet bombed the cities indiscriminately. The whole idea was to kill as many people as possible, whether or not they were involved in the war effort.

>they attempted to exterminate entire ethnic groups?

Horse shit.

>>145381367
i'm pretty sure the more americans die the better the world gets m8.

>>145382072
Go fetch a mod from IRC if you're so triggered. It's bound to happen in a thread about a movie about a war criminal.

>>145382100
No, rather, the lesser powers would fill the voids and the regional powers will not hold back.

>>145382100
This. American here. We;re a generally awful people, and our society is designed to make us more-so every day.

>>145382144
your not an American you stupid nigger

>>145381865
>>145382072
Report, sage, and rangeban americans

>>145381367
"millions". more like a few 10.000

>>145381974
That's basically my point, famalam. We third worlders don't give a fuck about

>all the /pol/tards have anime avatars

Now I see why.

>>145382169
I wish. Many of us actually hate the retarded way our country works and the awful things our government does around the world, but what can anyone do about it in the face of the ignorant masses and the curropted powers that be? I hope to be able to afford to not be an American anymore some day.

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>>145382099
> this is what nazis actually believe

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>>145382254
Jiro did nothing wrong. Go back to tumblr.

>>145382299
>smug anime girl and meme arrows

Truly the soundest of reasonings.

>>145382332
He shouldn't have smoked next to his dying wife.

>>145381993

A war in which the Americans were involved themselves under false flags.

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>>145382099

"actual history" like some geocities website from 1998 made by some methed-up skinhead or what

>>145382254
I would say that the /pol/tards with anime avatars and the /pol/tards without are different types of people.

>>145382353
You dont deserve better

Where are the active duty /a/ when you need them? Please slap some sense into these weebs.

>>145382144
You better keep that nation afloat, and I say this as a latin american. The powers below you and your rivals will step in to take your void and they are much worse than Americans. You guys gave Africa to the communists and the Chinese, look what has happened to it. You left Eastern Europe to die under thr Soviets, look at how much it had to recover. I'd rather be an under a western procy than the shithole that's Russia and China or the local regional powers. Otherwise, you are going to leave a massive power gap that'll be ta hindred fold worse than the Middle Eastern Powergaps since he Cold War

>>145381288
If war machine developers were considered war criminals, Manhattan Project scientists would be charged with war crimes for killing indiscriminately 100k-250k people in two days.

>>145382299
I'm not a Nazi. I'm just not historically illiterate like you so I know a thing or two about the conditions and policies of all combatants during WW2. The Soviets killed an order of a magnitude more people during their "utopia" building. But that aspect is minimised because Harvard and Yale are full of leftists. So they blame the Germans instead.

I bet you don't even know that it was the leftist progressives who pushed for forced sterilisation policies for "undesirables". Sweden still did forced sterilisation up to the 1970s.

>>145382413
>better

Can't really get much worse than no argument at all either.

>>145381288
Is this kino?

>>145382408
Thats your first mistake /pol/ apologist.
Then you'll say /pol/tards are good people with a vocal bad minority

The people upset about this film better go take their fire and pitchforks over to NASA too.

They did something far worse than Miyazaki did with making a film about a war criminal. Nasa hired those war criminals to work for them. One of them Wernher Von Braun who was the creator of the V2 rocket that rained down all over the UK killing mainly civilians. Von Braun also went on to help create the Saturn V rocket that was used in every one of the moon missions

>>145382470
/pol/ is a board of peace. The despicable actions of individual /pol/lacks do not represent the board as a whole. #NotAllPOL

>>145382400
No, "actual history" as in actual history books, not the History channel or Schindler's List.

>>145382379

>japan invades china
>US cuts oil shipments to japan in response
>japan needs oil to continue its war effort, eyes dutch east indies
>has to seize american-held philippines before invading the rest of southeast asia

totally evil amerikkka's fault amirite

>>145382169
That much is obvious. He's lacking the indoctrination.

>ITT: Inventors should be charged with war crimes and lynched in a hail of fire and brimstone
Fucking despicable. We engineers are he essential guides to the progress of humanity and the destruction of it. We have our own interests and the interests of our nations that we agree and disagree. Our inventions and tools have no morales, no emotion, and uses. They can be used for peace, they can be used for war. A tool is nothing but an inanimated object used by the wielder and their masters. It is the user responsible for using the tool as intended under their morale compasses. This thread is dildos and OP is a fucking faggot

>>145382452
By the way this is way more casualties that it would have taken to end the war without bombs.

Visited the Hiroshima museum about the bomb yesterday.
Still makes me want to vomit.
But hey "We did nothing wrong this was to end a war against an enemy negotiating to surrender without resources to continue war and the threat of a soviet invasion, nope totally worth it"

>>145382424
Where are the mods when you need them, more like. This discussion has nothing to do with anime.

>>145381865
>SWW

What?

>>145382424
Killing sand people somewhere? Getting drunk on a base somewhere else? Collecting my taxes in return for these services?

>>145381288
It was a shit movie anyway. Boring drivel with none of what makes miyazaki movies good

>>145381367
Inventors don't kill people, people kill people.
Your argument is like the idiots blaming guns for murder.

>>145382512
Of course you read history books except those written by the joos marxist from reptilian universities, only le redpilled Faurissonesque historian

>>145382649
>muh /pol/ boogeyman

>>145382623
Second world war? Or sex without warning.

>>145382512

i have

dresden wasn't nearly the most populous city in germany but was important for its industrial output, so why was it selected for the heaviest bombing? example of actual civilian targeting would be, say, the london bombings in 1940 or the whole "one third of poland/lithuania/belarus dying" thing

and had the nazis won on the eastern front somehow, the explicit plan was to exterminate the majority of slavs in the former USSR while making the rest into serfs or house slaves (while germans colonized everything west of the urals), a process which started during the war

>>145382596
It was either "kill several thousands of people" or end up committing unintentional ethnic cleansing since the emperor and generals ordered their people to become every available man, woman and child to be militia with improvised weapons. You take your pick, if we went with the invention, Japan would have been Paraguay 2.0

>>145382453
No one denies that the Soviets killed more people than the Nazis. They had a lot more inhabitants after all. the Chinese killed even more.
Doesn't change the fact that Hitler wanted to exterminate entire ethnic groups for no reason and install a terror regime not unlike the Soviets in all of Europe. So I think the bombings were pretty justified, it was war after all. A war the Nazis started. I'm German btw

>>145382623
Second World War, only amerifats use World War 2

This isn't a fucking video game series

>>145382728
Canadians say WW2 too.

>>145382686
In the end the americans admitted that their goals changed to just to kill people, "destroy the determination of the enemy", something like that, he's not totally wrong about that.

>>145382709
>invention
I meant invasion
Doesn't change the fact that Hitler wanted to exterminate entire ethnic groups for no reason and install a terror regime not unlike the Soviets in all of Europe.
Are you fucking kidding me? Stalin and Hitler are one and the same, only difference is Stalin was smart about it using proxies and installing terror regimes as the Warsaw Pact Nations and Soviet "Republics". Your an idiot if you think Stalin wasn't for creating zones of influence in his communist empire

>>145382762

I can't think of anyone in the world who uses SWW.

>>145382453

I'm not a Nazi, I just [STOP SPOUTING (((LEFTIST))) PROPAGANDA]

I never once defended Stalin. I was speaking entirely about the Western Allies.

>>145382712
I may be retarded, but didn't he want to ship them somewhere else first having to go through some waters that the british controlled, but they were like "nah, fuck you"?

>>145382783
I swear we're being memed.

>>145382771
>Are you fucking kidding me? Stalin and Hitler are one and the same, only difference is Stalin was smart about it using proxies and installing terror regimes as the Warsaw Pact Nations and Soviet "Republics". Your an idiot if you think Stalin wasn't for creating zones of influence in his communist empire
Mean for>>145382712

>>145382712
No, the Lebensraum policy was about (re)colorising Eastern Europe with german nationals and granting them special statutes, similar to the german expansion by settlement during the Middle Ages, not about exterminating the locals. That's nonsense post-war revisionism.

>>145382709
Yes in your /pol/lack delusions maybe, germany wasnt "ethnically cleansed" and this is certainly not a justification to drop a bomb hitting 350 000 people melting children and vaporizing their mothers

Who hyped for Dunkirk here?

>starring Tom Hardy
>directed by Bravo Nolan
>about one of the greatest allied feats in WW2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM9BWtppzko

>>145382762
I am canadian and only dirty Onatrio aka northern Americans use WW2

>>145382801
Pretty much all of the EU countries call it second world war. I don't care how you call it, though.

>>145382869
Is SWW what they taught you in Hongcouver?

>>145382866

>No Aiden Gillen
I'm sorry Nolan, but you fucked up.

>>145382791
Yes dude, anyone to the right of psychotic tumblrinas is a Nazi. Sure.

>>145382596

The Japanese cabinet was divided on whether to surrender until the bombs combined with the Soviet invasion of Manchuria. The other options on the table were a full blockade of Japan to starve them out or an amphibious invasion, both of which likely would have caused more casualties for Japanese, Americans, and other Asians (since Japan was still at war in China and Southeast Asia at this time)

>>145382855
>Accuses me of /pol/ because I disagree with him
Lel. The Japanese Government were willing to fight till their race were to be exterminated. Their people were following the orders of their government like it was the word of God, and you know it due to the figurehead of Hirohito being from he divine to lead the Japanese people. We dropped one bomb to make them surrender, and they refused thinking they can still fight us. That's when the second bomb came in. If anything, the Japanese turned their people the oil for war manufacturing. The fact you'd rathet we invade them and create an unintentional ethnic cleansing rather than reduce the number of dead shows your delusion, weeb

>>145382908
Before or after the bombs the threat was the same for the japs.
They would have surrendered.
Useless dick waving casualties

>>145382866
Based Nolan
Kino is saved

>>145382853
pretty sure the Slavs should serve as a slave labor force. No one knows how the working conditions would be, but they probably wouldn't be much better than Gulags, effectively slowly killing off the local population and replacing them with Germans

>>145382905

No no, you're either a Nazi or close to it. Mainstream right-wingers aren't retarded enough to agree that:

>the Allies were worse than the Axis
>Soviet crimes are covered up by leftists in academia (note: Marxism in academia has been in sharp decline since the 1970s)
>the Nazis didn't attempt to exterminate Jews/Roma/Slavs/etc.

These threads always bring out the crossboarders who probably don't even watch anime. Go back to your containment board and jerk off to Pinochet or something.

>>145381906
>Most civilian deaths caused by the Allies [...] were collateral damage
But that is a load of crap. Churchill himself said Germans would taste what Brits tasted with London bombings before deciding to carpet bomb Nazi territories, destroy tons of monuments and art.

>>145382596
>an enemy negotiating to surrender

>Ha, ha, looks life my entire fleet is destroyed!
>Also my air force has been decimated and my armies have been bogged down in the quagmire that is China

>I'll agree to pull back to the borders of Manchukuo, a totally independent and sovereign country.

>Please ignore my atrocities in China

>>145383011
Yeah 3 million poles just disappeared

>>145381585
And the Chinese, Japanese, and Philipinos celebrate that ass kicking to this fuck. Fucking nips got what they deserved.

>/pol/ ruins another thread
The worst part of this is, you can tell what faggots are from /pol/ just from the delusion they spit out on a daily basis, and who aren't.

Go back to >>>/pol/ or go to >>>/his/ so you can be educated

>>145383090
Thats what happened though.

>>145383015
I never claimed the Allies were worse than the Axis, but that the Axis was nowhere near as "demonic" or cartoonishly evil as it is is now commonly portrayed. That's just propaganda.

The fact that Soviet Crimes were covered up by leftists journalists and academia is a fact. And it happened more than once. See for example Chomsky being an apologist for the Khmer Rouge regime which killed millions.

The Nazis did not attempt to exterminate Slavs. Their beef was with jews only. The gypsy extermination was attempted by Nazi allies in Eastern Europe.

>>145383142
>/his/
>Not another /vpol/ hugbox

>>145382993
Considering it took two bombs to tell them to surrender, I say that's an invalid statement. We warned them, they ignored it and they paid the price. We warned them again, they ignored it and they suffered another loss.

>>145383188
>The Nazis did not attempt to exterminate Slavs
Are you autistic

>>145383142
You can also tell who comes from tumblr. They plug their ears and shout "Nazi" and "/pol/lacks ruined the thread".

>>145383142
The real funny thing is how afraid the ignornat are of the truth thats obvious even to them, so they just shout offensive, cover their eyes and ears, and pretend to hold a moral high ground that absolves them of any need to actually examine facts and present arguments of their own.

No wait, that's not actually funny. It's very depressing.

>>145383204
/his/ is pretty blue piled

>>145383174
Their negotiations for "surrender" consisted of a request for white peace and a return to antebellum borders.

>>145381768
Nuke America too for the shit they did in Vietnam then, faggot

>>145383220
>

You just spat delusions especially the warnings, flyers saying "something bad will happen go away" from the fucking enemy propaganding everything to death.

>>145383228
I am knowledgeable on the subject. Unlike you. There was never any policy of genocide in Eastern Europe. The Lebensraum was about colonising European Russia, and recolonising the Baltic countries and other territories in central Europe.

Germans were to be granted special statutes like they had during the Middle Ages in Transylvania, for example. "Nazi wanted to genocide the slavs" is just post-war propaganda.

>>145383262
No its just people that actually learn history Cleytus

>>145383340
Yeah because almost 4 million poles didn't die under German occupation

>>145381585
Fuck you. The Japanese got what they deserved during WWII, those two bombs gave them a reality check. And also served as a warning to how dangerous the Atomic Bomb is, for future generations to be cautious about it.

>>145383188
Nobody's covering up anything you dingus. But I will agree to that anon that the Axis really are guilty of crimes against humanity.

Are the Allies all clean? No, just look at Stalin, he's equally as much of a faggot as Hitler. But the fact of the matter is, the Soviets saved us from Nazi Germany by convenience at the cost of millions of lives. Hitler gassed the Jews, Stalin killed millions in purges, they are all faggots but give credit where credit is due.

>>145383336
>You just spat delusions especially the warnings, flyers saying "something bad will happen go away" from the fucking enemy propaganding everything to death
>Propaganda flyers
Confirmed for knowing fuck all about WWII. We send them radio warnings to their Brass and their officers. Those so called "Propaganda Flyers" were legititmate warnings for the people to evacuate. The fact their very own government didn't allowed them too says otherwise.
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/truman-japanwarn/

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4LcYHzc2Mk

>http://www.history.com/speeches/truman-threatens-japan-with-atomic-attacks

>>145383340
>>>/pol/

>>145383428
People die in war. The number was nowhere near close to 4 million. The only actual extermination going on in Poland was aimed at Polish Jews not, Poles.

>>145383340
>I am knowledgeable on the subject. Unlike you. There was never any policy of genocide in Eastern Europe
>The Nazi revolution was broader than just the Holocaust. Its second goal was to eliminate Slavs from central and eastern Europe and to create a Lebensraum for Aryans ... As Bartov (The Eastern Front; Hitler's Army) shows, it barbarised the German armies on the eastern front. Most of their three million men, from generals to ordinary soldiers, helped exterminate captured Slav soldiers and civilians. This was sometimes cold and deliberate murder of individuals (as with Jews), sometimes generalised brutality and neglect ... German soldiers' letters and memoirs reveal their terrible reasoning: Slavs were 'the Asiatic-Bolshevik' horde, an inferior but threatening race.
>Ian Kershaw Stalinism and Nazism: dictatorships in comparison. Cambridge University Press, 1997, p.150

Fuck you're stupid.

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>>145383262

>still using the fucking matrix meme

holy shit, /pol/acks must try to be as unfunny as possible

>>145383340

""""""special"""""""" status as in the native people of ukraine/western russia being rendered second-class citizens and everything west of the urals being under german sovereignty? even disregarding the overwhelming evidence that there were indeed plans (and more than plans--plenty of civilian deaths on the eastern front) to kill off the "excess" slavic population that wasn't put into serfdom

that's on top of the holocaust, of course

>>145383340
>There was never any policy of genocide
too much /pol/ itt
abandon thread

Let's just agree on one thing, justified or not, each side made terrible and questionable decisions all throughout the war.

Were those the best decision? Who knows, but shit already happened, people died for those decisions, and almost all the people involved passed away already anyway.

Regarding warcrimes, well, the people even did those or were victims are all mostly dead. All that's left is the children of those people(If any), and records of said crime.
What are you gonna do?
Blame the children of the people that did those crimes and force them to pay for their parents' crimes?

Besides, if they really want to persecute people for warcrimes, they need to do it for both sides of the war, not just persecuting the losing side.

>>145383512
Kill yourself stromnigger

>>145383262
>/pol/ hating people who are actually knowledgable about history because "muh blue pilled board doesn't agree with my narrow set of ignorant beliefs"
Like pottery
/pol/ truly is the worst board

>>145383619
You first.

>>145383478
Nice tertiary sources.

An american tv show, a youtube video, and a speech dating from after Hiroshima.
Wow sure is convincing.

It sure is /pol/tard parrot in here

>>145381288
I imagine your anger as you read a book about Kalashnikov.

>>145383723
Kalashnikov was a true hero that defended his country from the Nazis.

>>145383679
>a youtube video
That "Youtube video" is nothing more than a mirror for digitizing a primary source that came from The Library of Congress
>and a speech dating from after Hiroshima
>What is Nagasaki
>American tv show
>Muh BIAS!!
Not like the very own Japanese government straight up deny their own warcrimes. And I'll have you know, that "American TV Show" contains said digitized video from the source material.

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>>145383262

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>>145381465
>Old Iron Pants
>The Demon
>Bombs Away LeMay
>The Big Cigar

He had the best nicknames.

>>145383649
/his/ doesn't have knowledge about history. They know trivia about history, but now the whys and the hows of it. They only know how to project contemporary biases onto past developments, so all their explanations range from insane to right by accident.

>japan could have conquered the whole world if america didnt exist
>we could all be japanese right now

>>145384023

it's pretty bad, butt massively better than /pol/

really you're best off not using 4chan for discussing "serious" topics, i only post here for the mongolian cave paintings

>>145384023
>/pol/ actually believes this

>>145384072
The current Japan we know and love is completely different from WWII Japan, anon.

WWII Japan a shit. By nuking them twice, they became a much, better, peaceful and lovable Japan.

>>145384148
>We have nukes to blame for otaku culture
American should nuke themselves

>>145384287
Miyazaki please.

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>>145384023
/his/ is based

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>>145384287
More like going full retard with pacifism to the point you won't defend your own people is what caused it. The bombs did nothing for otaku culture

>>145384287
>America is responsible for /a/
I'll agree with you on the nuking.

America was, is and always will be the bad guys.

>>145384460
No they were ok in like.

Uh

The emu war.

>>145384686
Wikileaks is gonna publish the secret American plan to supply extremist emus with weapons and training any day now.

>>145385025
>Australia declares war on the emus and America for supplying them the next day.
When do we get a Miyazaki film about it?

>>145382866
I love Nolan but I don't know if I'm interested in a war movie from him

>>145383262
/his/ is pretty evenly mixed between /pol/ and /leftypol/, plus some apolitical people who actually know their history and anthropology