Where can I get my own loli Yatori?

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>>145283283
i hated the last ep tbqh

>an episode without princess

>>145283770
Are you a wolf?

>>145283283
>sweet, playful and curious
>now she's stern, joyless and angry
what went wrong?

>>145285823
She grew up.

>translating shogi as chess
FUCK

>>145283283
As a milfag, this shit is hard to watch.

>>145288915
Pretty sure that both armies are meant to look totally incompetent and fighting on the basis chivalry/divine judgement. But still, don't really like how literally nobody besides the MC has common sense.

Filler episode?

>>145289041
Don't worry, MC will have a rival.
If MC is a lazy faggot, his rival is the general that never sleeps.

>>145289129
But for a 12-13 episode adaption pretty much everyone is going to job until the last 2 or so.

>>145288438
chess = check, original name is chatrung
shogi = checking game, just like chatrung

>>145289041
I like how they try to make the MC out to be like some sort of military genius, but his tactics are elementary level shit that every fucking Pte learns in basic. Even then they're still not that great, what with the way no one tells their troops to take cover or conceal themselves.

But the worst part is how I'm expected to believe how military officer candidates aren't getting jacked up for moving in formation and not wearing their uniform to standard.

>>145289188
Well in volume 2 there are already some tough enemy(notISIS), so no really everyone will job to MC.

>>145289242
Happens pretty much every time. In order to write a character who's really smart (or at least really knowledgeable on some topic) you either have to be really smart yourself, or you have to make everyone else really dumb. Since most LN authors aren't military geniuses, guess which one they go with.

>>145283770
she looks like dio with red hair.

>>145289242
Because no one thought he will take a mock battle serious.
It's also due to Empire's are full of officers that with charge mind, unlike upcoming enemies.

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>when she's down to fuck

>>145289381
Their actual enemy(not mock battle dumbass) is not really dumb, at least it cost MC a finger in first chapter of volume 3 already, even though it's cut by MC himself.

>>145289507
Let's be honest here, if you don't take a mock battle seriously then you're ignoring the entire point of training exercises such as mock battles.

That still doesn't explain why anyone thinks it's a good idea to position your troops in parade formation in the middle of a fucking field.

>>145289719
>Let's be honest here, if you don't take a mock battle seriously then you're ignoring the entire point of training exercises such as mock battles.
And that's why MC said the empire is hopeless, the LN even said most of time were just two armies standing there, shooting each other, then charges, one of side wins, mock battle ended.

That said.
>That still doesn't explain why anyone thinks it's a good idea to position your troops in parade formation in the middle of a fucking field.
Are you using 21 century tactics to comparing 17-19 centuries tactics?

I know that I will feel like dropping it when she dies, but I like it too much for dropping it
What a weird feeling

>>145290060
I think it's still common sense to take cover or to loosen formation when faced with enemies that can hit you from tens of meters away.

And that you should fire your fucking guns/crossbows if you're less than five meters away from the enemy.

>>145291216
I wish I could drop you.

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>>145289060
more like a background story episode about the MC and his childhood friend.
although i don't understand why they made this a whole episode, they could have compressed it into 5 -10 minutes at most and contined with the main plot.
>>145291216
I hope you are wrong, and i hope you don't correct me and prove me wrong.

>>145291216
>I like it too much
Why the fuck

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So she lost her virginity to a battalion of enemy soldiers? Does it hurt?

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>>145293139
Nah she enjoyed it, the slut.

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>>145293223
baka

>>145289719
>That still doesn't explain why anyone thinks it's a good idea to position your troops in parade formation in the middle of a fucking field.

Other than that being more or less how wars were fought up to WW2

>>145289719
Are you aware with 17-18th century line infantry formations? It's sorta like that only their air rifles are even worse than muskets.

I know, it's still fucking retarded since a crossbow could outrange a matchlock but it seems the author didn't really do his research on anything really.

>>145291616
loose formations are over-run easily by bayonet charges.

>>145293453
Please don't embarass yourself anon, ever since caplocks with rifling and better artillery became a thing in the 19th century the line infantry formation was gone and cover was used.
Go read Gunka no Baltzar and educate yourself on late industrial age/pre-ww1 tactics.

>>145283283
Good concept ruined by crappy execution and dislikeable characters.

>>145294035
Pretty much spot on

>>145283770
>tbqh
Don't post like this.

>>145293704
There's a river that they're reluctant to pass, remember?

>>145293786
The use of cover was not the end of the use of line formation, both co-existed up until the second world war.

The eastern front of the first world war never saw heavy entrenchment, and the western front before being bogged down with entrenchment was fought with much of the same line formation / charge tactics that wars had been up till then. For years generals on the western front attempted to break the stalemate with, surprise surprise, charges of line infantry! When that didn't work, they simply tried sending more men into the charge. Even by the end of WW1 no one had come up with an improved offensive strategy, which is part of the reason the rest of Europe was caught so flat-footed at the beginning of WW2 when Germany started doing something new.

>>145293139
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>>145289242
Even worse is the MCs attitude towards everything. I haven't seen anyone comparably gary stu-ish in a while. He acts like the most annoying piece of shit yet everyone keeps sucking his dick for spouting platitudes.

>>145294269
I haven't read up extensively on WW1 but I've studied the Balkan Wars a little bit and it seems line infantry doctrine was already obsolette by then (1912).

>>145294524
Line infantry seemed fairly obsolete by the end of the American Civil war, however, that did not stop it being used as the primary means of main army offense, for lack of a better method.

Picket / Skirmishers well back into the 1600s were fighting with what one might consider a more modern mobility/cover style. That didn't stop a main army or even cavalry charge from sweeping them away. Cavalry as much as anything else kept line formation relevant, as cavalry was still used heavily in the beginning of the first world war, particularly by the Russians who had full tilt lancers.

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>>145294269
Not the guy you're talking to, but this is wrong.

Linear formations had multiple purposes; first of all they maximised and concentrated fire and thus counter-acted the innate inaccuracy of early modern firearms and allowed most people to use their firearms at the same time. Second, they allowed people to stick together and defend themselves against cavalry charges, which were still a major threat. Lastly, most armies of the 18th century were composed of mercenaries, often people impressed into service. Sticking together raised the morale.

During the 19th century, various developments happened: aerodynamic bullets like the minie made firearms significantly more accurate and deadly at range. Breech loading allowed for firearms to be reloaded while laying down - this was especially important in regards to rifling, since one of the major factors when it came to rifles was that due to the rifling it took a major effort to load them. This allowed for rifles to be used in large quantities. It also allowed for troops to fight in a more mobile manner, taking cover while fighting.

WW1 was mostly fought from defensive trenches - but this had nothing to do with linear tactics. The men were not organised like that and didn't exercise any manoeuvres like in the 18th century. The shape of the trenches may have had a linear shape, but that's about it. When it comes to offensive tactics (we're talking tactics - not strategy), there was quite a lot of development. Accurate artillery strikes to take out communication and command (based on aerial reconnaissance), timed artillery strikes to provide cover for stormtroopers to charge ('fire waltz'), combinations of various kinds of chemical irritants and poison in order to first make wearing gas masks hell and then disable people when they would take them off ('shooting colours'). And most of all the defence-depth-doctrine applied by the Germans at the end, which pretty much marked the beginning of WW2 tactics.

>>145294243
Yes. and why do you think they're reluctant? Because the opponent have already set up a formation that would make charging across a river suicidal.

>>145294269
>surprise surprise, charges of line infantry!

Surprise, surprise, that's just a title! It's the same as calling modern armored units as hussar or cuirassier since it's their past designation. So calling WW1 charges as "line infantry" charges doesn't make any difference. Line infantry formations breaking through other formations already started dying out around the first half of 19th century. Linear tactics requires great morale, can you keep that up when your enemy is spraying you with bullets?

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>>145289719
>That still doesn't explain why anyone thinks it's a good idea to position your troops in parade formation in the middle of a fucking field.
Calm down Major Baltzer.

>>145295045
>WW1 was mostly fought from defensive trenches

On the Western front, for the final 2/3 of the war. The eastern front was completely different, and the Western front in the opening years was fought much the same as the Franco-Prussian war of 1870, only with the French having learned to deploy their forces as rapidly as the Germans. The strategic advances in speed and mobility didn't much to change tactics on the battlefield.

All of the changes you've mentioned came about during the course of the war, soldiers/officers pre-war would have been drilled in pre-war tactics. Particularly the top brass would have likely been veterans of wars fought in the old style.

As much limited use as these innovations saw, none of them was groundbreaking to the point it was able to end the military stalemate the war itself had sunk into.

Entrenching had proven itself a defense capable of stopping massed infantry charges, and there remained no superior offensive alternative put into wide spread practice.

>>145295303
I'm confused with what you're saying. Now you're disagreeing with your past statements and agreeing with mine. Now, why shouldn't they take cover or loosen formation, since we already both agree that the enemy is reluctant to charge, therefore bayonet charges are out of the question, and that they're both capable of hitting from afar? Should they stand around in the open, only to be picked-off one by one by an enemy that is a little bit smarter by thinking "Hey! they're only a few meters away and in dense formations! Our crossbows and air rifles, that have at least a hundred meters range, should probably hit them!"

Go read up on Battle of Majuba Hill and tell me.

>>145295992
That wasn't me.

My point is that these being younger less experienced officers, are only likely to do what they've been taught to do, which for that time frame unit cohesion being a top priority and all, stick together.

This was an exam, so of course showing that you can do what your teachers said to do better than the other guys is what the majority of people will try to do.

>>145295992
Not the anon you were talking to. You said earlier that they shouldn't line up in such formation, and the other anon told you that they would get charged without such formation. You then said they were reluctant to cross. I'm just reminding you that the reason they were reluctant was because of such formation.
As for shooting across the river, I think it's safe to assume their weapons are just that bad, otherwise either side would've just started shooting.

>>145295536
> Linear tactics requires great morale, can you keep that up when your enemy is spraying you with bullets?

But that's exactly what they did throughout the opening years of the war?

Eventually yes, people did start to question it, but at that time there wasn't any proven viable alternative.

>>145296183
Student thinking, huh. Understandable then. They could have shown a bit of common sense, tho.

>>145296259
They're reluctant to charge because of the river. If formation is an issue, then MC shouldn't have charged later on, which is another issue in itself. And why would they train with shit weapons, what would they learn from that? I don't think you'll learn how to use a spear properly from training with a short sword.

>>145296567
They're reluctant to charge across a river because the opponents have already lined up in a formation that would inflict maximum casualty while they are slowly trying to cross the river.
It's pretty clear they do not have modern weapons like we do and charging is still a viable tactic in their world. If people could cross a river as they would flat land, charging across a river would be a viable tactic too.

>>145296567
Not simply student thinking, Take any military officer, who isn't an actual war vet. Chances are they're going to be rolling with the doctrines that were drilled into them at school until such time actual combat proves different.

Then if they are a vet, by the time they see another war (say 20 years or more) and now they're a major or a general, the tactics they'll be looking to employ are likely the same as they used in their last active conflict, and who is some random fresh out of officer training 2nd Lt to do otherwise?

>>145296319
Then please provide proof. Linear tactic should have been dead before WW1, the brits already learning this from fighting with the Boers before. And the lessons the amerifats learned from their civil war. And some other wars between WW1 and Napoleonic. And since cavalry, one of the main reasons linear tactics existed, is already obsolete by then, there's no more reason to make men march in close formations towards their enemy. I mean, if you were commanding, and you can see that everyone can shoot accurately and in massive volleys, would you send your men marching and in tight formations?

All of you, just go read Gunka no Baltzar, it's surprisingly accurate and well researched.

That said, I like how anime like this, with their retarded depictions of troop deployment create threads with this kind of discussions.

>>145292221
How much does she wants the D?

>>145297011
It was pretty accurate, indeed, but the artillery showdown was just somewhat bullshit. I understand that the old guy was a genius artilleryman, but that shot to the tower was just fucking accurate, I call it bullshit.

Nothing wrong with that part, just had to throw it out. Manga is still pretty good.

>>145297152
She really wants the Development but unfortunately for her she's stuck in a bottom of the barrel LN adaptation.

>>145297226
Yatori looks more cannon that this slutty princess.

>>145296834
Charging in itself is an issue. Engagements between infantry should start with exchanging fire, and the commanding officer then judges when is the correct time to charge. It's not a starting move. Imagine charging a formation that's loaded and ready to fire. They get to pick off some of your guys, and when you smash through their lines, chances are there are more of them and your men are tired. They get to fire, you don't. That's why it's starts off first with exchanging fire.

>>145296977
Good point. I've seen this a lot in WW1 books.

>>145297731
Yes, even before the use of firearms in war, people would still give their enemies at least one volley of arrows before they started charging. If the firearms in the Alderamin world are less reliable than bows and arrows why are they still using them? I don't know but that's the setting so I'm just rolling with it. Within that setting, charging is still a viable tactic in certain situations. Charging across difficult terrain is not. If crossing a river is as easy as if the river is solid land, then charging across a river could be a viable tactic too.

>>145294035
That's wrong. The execution should've been better but it isn't crappy and the characters are pretty likeable.

>>145298348
If were taking into account their shitty equipment, then probably yes, charging might be viable. But why would they even bother using those if they're shitty?

>>145298348
Bow users required extensive training and practice. Crossbows required sufficient strength to cock.

Any mook can point a musket in the general direction of the enemy and fire. In the alderman world I suppose its a question of how common individuals paired to wind spirits are.

The talent for accurate shooting being rare, but present is consistent too, as the term sharpshooter dates back to the American revolutionary war, while smooth-bore muskets remain a mainstay for another 100 years.

>>145298527
Arrow/bolt/ball volleys were rarely used as a primary offense. They helped to disorganize an enemy, making it easier to rout them in a charge, or if on the defensive, break up the enemies' charge forcing them to pull back and regroup.

>>145299005
Yes, that's the thinking behind linear tactics, but the issue is why would they even bother training with shit equipment that can't even be used to disorganize the enemy or break their charge?

>>145295536
>can you keep that up when your enemy is spraying you with bullets
That's why trench warfare had such high death rates.

>>145298527
Like I said I don't know but I'm just rolling with it. The author clearly wanted charging to still be a viable tactic in that world. I'm only talking about the river you brought up. If we accept charging is a viable tactic, then your point about the river is wrong.

>>145299290
why can't it again? That clearly seemed to be what smug green brother was thinking. If his more disciplined unit traded shots with the troops just assigned to some lazy shit they don't respect, the other side would get fed up / break first.

>>145299360
Yeah, and so did amphibious attacks. Your point is?

>>145299653
About the river being a natural barrier? You can never disregard rivers, topography in general. There is no doubt rivers are going to be taken into account, whether charges are viable or not. I don't think you'd agree that charging across a river is smart.

>>145300043
Could the princess take an amphibious attack on her flat chest?

>>145301172
There are no prominent rises, just flat barren lands, so the enemy doesn't have a high ground advantage. I'd say it's possible.

>>145299820
I think he just mentioned that their armies are of the same strength. I don't remember any mention of morale.

>>145301027
Your argument started about the formation. The other anon pointed out that the formation is to prevent the other side from charging (or to inflict maximum casualty if they are stupid enough to try). You then brought up the river. The point you are missing here is, it's not the formation nor the river that made charging impossible, but both of them together.

>>145301464
numerically, but one is composed of officers that the enlisted all consider to be stronger/better

If you're afraid of and/or confident in the abilities of your commander, you're going to have a higher moral than someone being led by the lazy / incompetent.

>>145301486
I just looked over everything again, and it seems you're wrong. My argument was that they should take cover or loosen formation, then the other anon pointed out that it would be vulnerable to bayonet charges. Then I pointed out that there's a river, and a little while later I pointed out that charging is wrong in itself. The issue we're tackling is why not have the men take cover or loosen formation when the enemy is across a river and is capable of hitting you from afar. We already covered how charging across a river is impossible.

>>145302076
That assumption is correct, yes. And it should have played out that way. But what's your point exactly? I think we're talking about how charges work and how shitty their weapons are.

>>145302112
>We already covered how charging across a river is impossible.
Because of the formation.
You moved on to how charging is unfeasible anyway. For that I have no explanation. The author clearly wanted charging to be possible, so the people in that world for some strange reason are relying on unreliable weapons.
I'm only talking about how the formation is to take full advantage of the fact that the river is a difficult to traverse terrain.

>>145302112
>>145302590

Scenario:

Green's men move into the tree line on either side of the clearing, while this makes it harder for the enemy to hit them, it also makes it harder for them to hit the enemy.

Green considers his forces to have the advantage while trading blows on equal terms, so why wouldn't he fire from the position in which his forces can do the greater damage to the enemy even if they take slightly higher casualties?

Note that green is also cautious of an enemy detachment circling around to hit him, and dispatches his melee troops in the direction he suspects such an attack to come from, or, should they find no such attackers allowing them to circle behind the enemy to hit them from behind.

In such a situation his show of force / skirmish across the river servers as a fine diversion / wearing down of the enemy forces, and if his superior melee unit encounters an enemy unit he expects them to have no trouble with them.

Eventually Ikta's forces have to retreat, and even without anything decisive its still greens win.

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They made some "scientific experiments" in this scene while the camera wasn't rolling, didn't they.

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>>145303363
What kind of "scientific experiments"?

>>145303651
I find no way to put it any more subtle than "inspection of genitalia and their function".

>>145304008
You mean they fugged :DDD

>>145302590
But you don't need formation to prevent a charge anyway, when there's a river in front of you, and that they are also well aware that you can fire at their charge. They'll be forced to take cover. At best, you can loosen formation to lower chances of getting hit.

>>145303300
This. The only problem is that neither side fired at all during the standoff. And if Ikta didn't take into account that the detachment he sent can't take on Yatori, I don't think he should be considered a genius.

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>>145303363
very unlikely, she wasn't upset when she heard he slept with a 'divorced' woman.

>>145304067
No. Just inspection. Your mind sure is dirty.

>>145304186
You circled back to how charging is unfeasible anyway. Which makes the river irrelevant so I don't know why you brought it up.
If we accept that charging is a viable tactic in that world and their weapons can not reach the other side of that river, then their formation made sense.

>>145304320
Wouldn't inspection include an observation of how a penis twitches and throbs as it cums inside a girl?

Experiments have to be thorough.

>>145304186
the detachment he sent wasn't meant to take on yatori, just delay her while his force surprise assaulted the enemy commander's force. if she had continued following her original orders he would have won before she could rejoin the battle.

>>145304186
>>145304401
their weapons likely couldn't cross the river + clearing, so as long as they each stayed on the far sides of the clearing, they were fine. However holding in the middle of the clearing allows you to fire on anyone attempting to cross the river.

Hiding in the tree-line on the far side of the clearing would allow the enemy to cross the river un-harried and most importantly, re-form before advancing on you. Not to mention that being broken up in the trees leaves your units unformed if you want to make a charge at the enemy as they're landing on your side of the river to push them back into it.

>>145304401
Oh, that was just a side note, that charging is wrong in the first place. I added later on that charging isn't the starting move, but rather some exchange of fire. The river was very relevant, it's a natural barrier, so I don't know why it shouldn't be included. But you're correct that their formation would have probably made sense if charging is viable and their weapons are shit.

And another side note that was taken up is that why would they bother training with those weapons if they can't even cover a few meters? For what purpose? Like I said, I don't think you'll learn to properly use a spear if you were given a short sword.

>>145303363
I want to be Yatori's bath buddy.

>>145294035
Have to agree with this. MC in particular is really unlikeable.

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>>145304529
But since she didn't strictly follow orders and that they are superior melee forces and that they're only meant to intercept the detachment, it's also a threat to Ikta that they can break through the harassing detachment and attack Ikta's main group and incur much heavier losses since it's from the rear. In a sense, reversing what the green cunt perceived as an attempt to attack their rear.

Take this shitty Paint drawing.

>>145305617
It would have probably taken Yatori longer to circle around like that. In the time it would have taken her to do so, the main battle would have already been lost. Remember, the only reason Green lived through that battle is because Yatori hauled ass to get back there.

Also only Yatori is superior, there's no reason to assume her entire detachment is really that much better at melee.

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>>145305266
I'm conflicted. I like when the MC is actually showing emotions like pic related, it's just the rest of the time the show wanks him super hard, and he's completely infallible which it gets old fast.

>>145305791
People who didn't know Ikta all considered the battle unfair, stacked one sided because the trainees under Green's command are generally perceived as better.

>>145305019
Up until riffling was common, the effective range of all infantry weapons was short. That doesn't take place until the late 1800s. This world while having magic, is operating at Renaissance levels of everything else. (1450-1550)

During that time an infantry musket, or crossbow was not accurate at long distances. Armies were still comprised mainly of melee infantry with a mixed auxiliary of ranged supports. This continued up until all musket infantry became possible with socket bayonets in the late 1600s / early 1700s.

So while charging might not always be the opening move, it is the first decisive move, field battles at that level of tech were not decided by ranged fire, though ranged fire was used to augment the actions of the main force.

>>145305617
the ford yatori would need to use to cross was far enough away that the time spent crossing + backtracking while being harassed by the sniper detachment would be far greater than the time it took ikta to run his unit over those hidden bridges.

Also if Yatori arrived on the far side of the river with Ikta's men already done with most of the enemy over there, her forces would still need to cross the river. So she'd either have to circle back to the ford, or search for the hidden bridges (assuming she figures out that's how they crossed) while under enemy fire, and likely be met by an organized defense on the shore while her troops are bottled up on those bridges.

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>>145306274
>Also only Yatori is superior, there's no reason to assume her entire detachment is really that much better at melee

Then you should have mentioned this beforehand. I don't even remember what kind of group she's heading.

It's also still a possibility that Ikta can't ignore. He should know the threat that Yatori can pose being positioned there.

Time cannot be considered since it would be another event for their plan to succeed, and another for Yatori to break through and become a threat to their rear. Not unless they agreed on a time table, which wasn't implied.

And if they did charge before Yatori somehow breaks through, Ikta's forces would meet with a dense formation firing at them, now at a closer range since they're charging. They're also going to be probably tired and casualties were probably sustained during their charge. Combined with Yatori attacking their rear, they are going to be completely annihilated.

>>145290060
From the looks of it, the rifles they use seem to be more analogous to bolt-action rifles rather than muzzle-loaded firearms. So, already this tells me that it's a poor idea to attempt to use them as you would a flintlock or the like. But even if they're trying to use Napoleonic era tactics, they're still doing a poor job of it. Typically Napoleonic era armies would form up in two to three line in order to maximized frontal firepower, these guys are forming up in box formations which is far less efficient.

>>145293453
That is complete bullshit. Skirmish infantry has been a thing since beginning of organized warfare, but even then you're making the mistake of thinking that WW1 and the late 1800s were using the exact same infantry tactics that were used in the Napoleonic era.

>>145306919
Yatori's unit is stated to be melee by green before being dispatched.

Time can be considered as they know the distance her unit has to travel, as again stated by green it would have taken at least an hour to walk to it, which is why he was confident in splitting his forces.

Ikta charged with not only with his enemy not expecting it, but with superior numbers & close combat troops. Green had sent rougly 1/3 of his forces away, all of them being close combat. Ikta had split off a handful of snipers, with the bulk of his forces, and all of his melee troops remaining to charge the enemy.

He also had intel from his sniper detachment of yatori's movements, if she did something that could jepardize his plans, they could signal him. He waited an appropriate amount of time for yatori to reach the ford, it isn't outside of reason that his forces guarding the ford had instructions to signal if yatori failed to show up, or was spotted returning to her original position before the fight starts.

>>145307865
Actually, Napoleonic infantry did form squares, as a defense against cavalry charges.

3 deep maurician is a much older tactic prevalent before the use of bayonets.

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>>145306111
I get that your argument is that their range might have been really, really short, but it would be shittier than shit if their guns/crossbows couldn't even reach that far. Pic related wouldn't even be around 15 meters, and what is a crossbow's range? Around 50 or higher? And let's say that their air rifles are counterparts to arquebuses, since it's from the Renaissance. The shortest effective range I could find was 30 meters, and even that is being disputed as too short. And there's also massed formation firing, compensating for lack of accuracy. Even if most of their infantry was melee (even though some platoons were already designated fire troop or air rifle platoon), that shouldn't be a reason that some of their men that do have guns/crossbows can't do some puck shots at their enemy.

>>145308254
>15 meters
Oh please anon. The anime depiction was probably wrong but they still certainly were a lot further apart than 15 meters.

>>145304696
I disagree. The distance between the tree line and the river only looked to be about 25m-50m away. This is very clearly within the range of their weapons, as such if you concealed your forces in the tree line and the enemy attempted to cross, you'd be able to engage while they're in the midst of crossing the river.

>>145308254
uhm, that looks a whole lot longer than 15 meters in that picture there. 100 meters is your typical ren era first shot range, allowing enough time for at least one reload on a rapidly advancing formation, though 50 meters and under is where they'd really become effective.

so, lets say both forces are standing just outside that 100 meter engagement range waiting for the other one to make the first move.

>>145308188
That's part of my point. Square formations were only useful as a counter against cavalry, which was non-existent in this scenario. Thus, it makes no sense to form up your men in square formations when you know you're only facing infantry.

>>145308734
but they're not formed up as squares, they're formed up as squads, in a line, see >>145308254

>>145308060
>Yatori's unit is stated to be melee by green before being dispatched

Just to make sure that I'm wrong, where exactly? I've been looking over the episodes and I can't find any reference to her unit being melee. All I can find is that it was called a Fire Troop platoon when she was assigned her own platoon.
>Ikta charged with not only with his enemy not expecting it, but with superior numbers & close combat troops

Yes, and that's a problem. Charging. As some anons stated, they're mostly still drilled at melee, but there are also ranged infantry embedded into formation. They get to fire and drop off some of your guys, you don't. As the defending side, they have that advantage. Plus, while Ikta is trying to break through the defense, there's the possibility that Yatori breaks through and becomes a threat to their rear, so time doesn't even matter anymore. All green needs is to hold out, as he is defending and Ikta has probably has already sustained casualties.

The charge itself is the problem. It isn't that simple to charge. Charging isn't a wonder tactic that can destroy every formation ever. Especially not when the enemy has ranged weapons combined with bayonets.

>>145308856
Five ranks deep, which is still less effective than two or three ranks.

>>145294302

Welcome to the world of bad military fan fiction.

Gustavus Adolphus is a popular model.

Why didn't they form up into a half circle?

>>145308971
>Fire Troop platoon
Wind users are the only ones with the spiffy rifles.

>Charging isn't a wonder tactic that can destroy every formation ever.

Charging ranged formations with superior numbers is fairly 101.

Another note on bayonet charges, they typically ended with one side breaking and running before the other could even close to close quarters, and outside of the mongols, there armies that turn around and fight again after turning tail and running are few and far between.

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>>145308637
>>145308470
My bad, 15 meters is probably too short. I'm not that good at judging distance. But even I know that that is just to close to be called "too far out of range".

Scratch that. I just took a measuring tape and looked things over. At my conservative estimate, their distance should be around 30-50 meters, the river being around 10-15 meters, and the land 5-10 meters and the other side being 10-15 meters. 100 meters is just too far. Combined with massed fire, there shouldn't be a reason they shouldn't fire.

Pic related is Ikta's men at green's perspective.

>>145309505
that isn't green's persepctive though, that's the far edge of the river from ikta's position, which means minus the width of the river itself, green's men are double the distance visible here away, so maybe 70-80 meters.

If their ammunition is limited and the enemy is making no sign of advancing, why shoot there? Remember 100 is open fire only to have at least enough time for a reload, 50 is where you want them for a reasonable chance of hitting them.

>>145309675
I beg you to reconsider. Watch episode 4, at 00:28. That's the few seconds where green looks over Ikta's men, with one of the detachments leaving.

Perhaps we won't be agreeing on distance. But my point is it's just too ridiculous to consider this out of range. Opening fire also doesn't mean firing for effect. Being under fire is a way of causing drop in morale. It doesn't need to be constant fire, they can fire in a specific interval to conserve ammo while forcing the enemy to take cover/loosen formation. Standing around while you're being shot at doesn't sound so good, does it?