Can Freyja make Hayate cum with her fold waves?

>>145176699
No, but she makes him a Demon of Razgriz.

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>>145176699
She knocked him out.

>>145176699
Probably. She makes me cum and she isn't even real.

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>>145177181
Ooh. Me too.

Yes, though she's not good enough to rape people with her voice yet

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Why is Freyja so perflat and best?

I am so going to look forward to the ending when Hayate rejects everyone and BTFO you goddamn shippers.

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>>145177420
Precious hoina is always precious.

>>145177497
Kawamori will just make Freyja go back to her home planet to help her people and most likely marry that guy from her village

Hayate will stay with NUNS together with Mirage as friends

>>145177699
>as friends
ＮＯＢＬＥ ＣＯＮＦＩＤＡＮＴ

>>145177699
Why would he do that to her? She has said time and time again, she doesn't want to go back but wants to sing with Walkure.

Also, why do her people need her help to begin with?

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>>145177420
Redid this.

>>145177699
>Hayate joining the NUNS
>Hayate not following Freyja
>Freyja marrying second son-kun when she doesn't even love him and wants to dedicate her life to singing
>Freyja leaving Hayate behind even though she's in love with the guy

Too early for delusions

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>>145176699
Yes, if the length of his dick antenna is matched to the frequency of her fold waves

>>145177801
Trim the edge and rotate, anon.

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>>145177497
>Macross
>Not having a winner
You must be new to this.

>>145177699
Ha no. Freyja and Hayate will stick together and journey through the galaxy like other Macross couple before Delta.

>>145177888
Name the winner of 7

>>145178035
Macross 7 is an exception.

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Solo Wing Mirage will save the sector from those twisted songs

>>145177880
Edges are fine and I think original position is best.

>>145178035
Basara won the Gamlin-bowl.

Personally, I think Hayate/Freyja may be the best Macross couple as of yet.

Their communication is amazing, the teasing and banter is superb, their romantic scenes have been diabetes inducing levels of perfect, they inspire each other and readily overcome obstacles thrown their way. The chemistry and how they're so in tune with each other and their actions. The copying of mannerisms. And they're so loyal and devoted to each other, it just leaves you like "Jesus fuck."

A fine example of what a romantic relationship should be.

>>145177497
Won't happen. Freyja x Hayate is strong and gets stronger as the story goes on. In any case, Freyja is best girl and she deserves to win.

>>145178175
I think it has a lot to do with that I actually for the first time like the male counterpart to supposed couple this time?

Hikaru? He was pretty awful boyfriend material
Basara was a joke
Alto was an angry awful idiot. I imagine he'd be a good one after a few years of training by Sheryl, but not before then

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>>145178179
Damn right she is. Besides that, having a loli win would be unprecedented in the franchise.

>>145178084
So if it exists than means macross can indeed have no winner.

>>145178323
I think you made this post to try and trigger some autists who will deny that she's a loli. I mean I even personally she just fits in the young and petite category. But lolifaggots themselves would of course diagree.

Anyway, just using the word makes me think you're baitng just a lil'

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>>145178175
I agree with everyone you just said. Couples that get on each other nerves at the start of the story, but grow to care for one another, shown in banter and squabbling are always the best.

>>145178434
Its an exception that proves a rule? Every other macross had a winner.

You can disagree if you want, but I'm only saying there's a rule not an absolute.

>>145178313
Oh God yes that too. For the first time we actually have a decent male MC in terms of boyfriend material.

Also don't even get me started on past female MCs.

Minmay was goddamn awful.
Misa was a joke.
Mylene... Well we all know how awful she was.
Ranka... No, just no.
Sheryl was too "humph I'm a diva and I'm too sexy for this world"

Freyja in contrast is just so, so perfect. But hey, that's just me and my opinion.

Freyja hit the jackpot with Hayate and Hayate hit the jackpot with Freyja.

>>145178475
>Its an exception that proves a rule?
What did he mean by that? (Seriously though, I've never understood that phrase.)

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>>145178323
>Freyja
>loli

>>145178323
She's an old hag, not a loli.
I still love her.

>>145178448
But I'm not baiting? Just stating the truth. I'm true to myself as a lolicon and part of the reason I'm attracted to her is because she's loli, or at least loli-sh.

So everyone agrees episode 18 was the best episode yet right?

>>145178521
>>145178552
Go away. Don't start that in here with your autism.

>>145178093

>Solo Wing Mirage will save the sector from those twisted songs

Who her?
Yeah we know her, its going to take a while, she started only a few episodes ago.
Did you know anon there are 3 types of Tsundere?

Those that slowly fall for the MC
Those that the MC falls for
And those who are cucked by 16 year old apple freaks.

And her?

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A precious Hoina will always be precious.

>>145178506
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule
Yeah, it's very often misused.

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>>145178462
I really love their bantz, episode 3 made me rooting for Freyja. Also their relationship get much better in each episode even their blushing kinda made me feel awkward lately. Still love it though.

>>145177786
>she doesn't want to go back but wants to sing with Walkure.
That's now, we're talking about then.
>why do her people need her help to begin with?
Growing apples and shit.

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Look at them holding hands. How lewd. Censor it.

>>145178462
Ranka should have won. But oh well, I'll forgive Kawamori if Freyja wins.

>>145178313
>autists
You mean LRD and normalfag trolling to get a rise out of lolifags. Who cares about them though?

>>145178711
>Ranka should have won.
Nah, I can't see Alto and Ranka become a couple. I feel like it won't work.

>>145178696
And what would make her want to stop singing with Walkure and go back to her village? She is adamant about it, to the point of living her life till the end with them.

> Growing apples and shit.
Only for days offs and vacations.

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So anyway - what the fuck did I just watch?, and should I be concerned that I want to see more?

>>145178686
Awkward in what way?

>>145178175
I'm having heart palpitations just thinking about how adorable and perfect they are. THANK YOU KAWAMORI.

>>145178169
Peace, love, and rock n roll, without the love.

>>145178482
Something is up with the writing this time around where the romance doesn't feel forced. Freyja and Hayate is a good B-plot that doesn't drag on like the Frontier triangle. In Delta, for once, I care about everybody and their backstories, and I'm not just getting dragged along by the writing waiting for the fights. I like the robot fights, but the drama is nice as well.

>>145178763
They're baiting you, Christ. Don't answer them.

>>145178434
Macross 7 didn't really invest in focusing on love interest development. It makes sense that nobody won in that series. Delta is different in that it does.

>>145178763
>And what would make her want to stop singing with Walkure and go back to her village?
I don't know anon, finding out is part of the excitement, but it's a bit close minded of you to deny the possibility of the plot developing in a way that leads to that. Who's to say there will even be a Walkure by the end of the show?

>>145178814
I'm not baiting. Why would you say that?

>>145178521
>>145178552
How the hell is >>145177420 >>145177801 not loli?

>>145178814
Ok, senpai ;_;

I dreamt that I was driving on the highway and listening to Basara singing Ai Oboete Imasu Ka. It was fucking glorious.

So then I woke up and searched for a cover but found nothing. I'm so disappointed right now. My heart, my dreams, shattered.

>>145178711
>Ranka should have won

I agree.

>145178744
>Nah, I can't see Alta and Ranka become a couple.

Also agree.

I liked Ranka as a romantic interest more, and I think she had such a sweet, genuine crush on Alto, but in retrospect, they had no chemistry. But that doesn't mean Sheryl and Alto were good. End game should've been Alto x his own angst.

>>145178482
Mylene was the only awful one. Even Ranka wasn't that bad. Minmay was flawed but it makes her a better character.

>>145178853
The western society led you to believe teenagers are children and young women are teenagers and you should probably avoid lusting after them too just in case.

>>145178853
Do you believe Ranka or Mylene are lolis too?

>>145178853

Freyja is quite literally a middle aged spinster among her race

Her people live for 30 years. She just turned 15 and is someone who ran away from her planet to be a singer instead of settling down

>>145178853
Trolls trolling. Just ignore them.

>>145178795
Multiple mindfucks.

Did Mikumo control the ruins in the end or did it control her?

>>145178179
If somehow Freyja doesn't win and it ends up sky-end or completely ambiguous, I am so going to remind each and every single one of you shippers every day for a long fucking time.

>>145178938
>Ranka
>not loli

>>145178808
I love their natural interaction and bantz. It's have more romantic tension lately and I feel awkward in a good way also Hayate's Freyjafagness is kinda creepy in episode 17.
>>145178913
Alto saw Ranka as a sister, also watching her chasing Alto is kinda painful.

I'll admit that I actually prefered Ranka and Alto at the very start of Frontier, mainly because I couldn't get a grasp of Sheryl, she seemed a little too full of herself and not actually genuinely interested, while Ranka was obviously into Alto. This changed with episode 5. And as the show progressed it was clear Ranka had zero chemistry with Alto. So sometimes I switch ship. It happened pretty early in frontier. Come think of it, I was probably cheering Hikaru on to get Minmay early in SDF too, again because he was into it, and early off there wasn't really any good buzz between Hikaru and Misa. Then after a while, this turned out not be true, and I consider everything after episode 27 to be horrible fanfic tier. Misa clearly won the bowl at episode 27.

>>145178795
All I know is I needed a hug after witnessing that whole scene. A hug and an ED2 single. I got neither.

>>145178853
She's clearly in her teen years, with a developing body including boobs. Past loli stage by three or so years.

>>145179087
Hug me anon.

>>145179040
Stop posting, now.

>>145179027
and end up even more autistic/cancerous than them.
Good job.

>>145178962
Is this bait? They have a shorter life span, not that they age nearly 3 times faster than humans. Freyja isn't a middle-aged old lady that looks 40-50.

>>145179139
You first, pal.

>>145179040
What's next, you're gonna call Kaname a milf, Arad a bara and articulated anime figurines figmas?

http://www.zhuatieba.com/video/XNDMwNzQ2Mzgw

Can anyone clarify me the reason behind this video? Is it a commercial video of sheryl or a is it a cut scene from any of the Macross F materials?

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>>145179044
Alto saw Ranka as a sister, also watching her chasing Alto is kinda painful.

I think that's why I preferred that thread. It was painful, and awkward, and a little cringeworthy at times, but it made for better drama. I'm a sucker for unrequited love in my shoujo manga, so it hit all my sweet spots.

But, in the end, I prefer the actual romance and tension of Freyja and Hayate over my Alto and Ranka delusions.

>>145179129
Can I pretend you're Freyja?

>>145179160
Yes it is bait. Don't entertain it next time

>>145179025

>Did Mikumo control the ruins in the end or did it control her?

Or was Roid controlling her and the ruins?, or is someone pulling all their strings?

>>145179160
their aging looks different tho
crystallization and shit
essentially this means that appearance comparison is pointless
inb4 bait

>>145179072
The forced extension in SDF made Hikaru unbearable. Character-wise I think Minmay was least damaged, her running away from her crises and Shitfun was interesting. Misa was too pitiful. Too bad they couldn't make the love developments more graceful, I like aftermath of war stories.

Which is the best Macross couple and why is it Hayate/Freyja?

>>145179243
Roid seemed to be simply observing, though he knew what was happening.

Anyone have ideas what the "tuning" was?

>>145178935
Irrelevant. The pics speaks for themselves. FFS, Freyja plays with little kids in the town and she fits right in.

>>145178938
>Ranka
Obviously. She's more or less like Freyja.
>Mylene
No, Mylene is physically 16.

>>145178962
Never-mind how baiting you sound, but she look looks younger than she is. That's the bottom line.

>>145179110
Not even in teens. Maybe very, very early teens that's still in the budding phase growing out of pre-teen. But she still appears like a kid so she's a loli.

>>145179200
Don't you get a kick out of Mirage having unrequited feelings for Hayate so to speak? Or do they just not have enough interactions

>>145179291
It's canon that they die young, not that theor aging is accelerated. It's said out loud. I think there is rapid deterioration by their late 20s though.

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>LRD is samefagging
Nice thread, /a/

>>145179200
Das is you can't denied the reality and have to accepted that AlSheryl is an OTP. Just move on like the character, Ranka lost the bowl but she still move on and married someone. Let's just enjoy HayaFre at this moment.
>>145179201
Every one here are a little girl, Freyja is also a little girl.

>>145179385
Nah her boobs are defined already. She looks 15, her age.

If we get movies or a timeskip, I'd love to see what an 18 year old Freyja would look like. And with slightly longer hair, maybe a bit past shoulder length. She'd be a total beauty. Not saying that she isn't right now, but 18 y.o Freyja would be a total bombshell.

>>145179385
Isn't she fifteen? She's past the loli stage.

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>>145178175
Hikaru is literally the only protag who I thought actually is someone who could be potential boyfriend material for their girl. The rest are not nearly good enough or autists.

>>145178913
I liked Ranka's chemistry with Brera more. She gave Brera his humanity back, and Brera trusted her 100%. I know the shôjo manga implied that maybe they are not related at all, but I wish Kawamori had made them a canon couple in the tv series.

>>145179187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gd_6vQ-nlA
>>145179341
Great relationship, great bantz, great sexual tension.

>>145178853
>>145179385
They're baiting, dude. Japan already agreed she's a loli, so they're just fucking with people.

>>145179442
He said he liked the unrequited aspect anon. He liked that Ranka lost.

>>145178711
>>Ranka should have won
No

I introduced a few of sheryl and ranka's songs to a group of my girl friends in college who are not really into japanese stuff. I'm so glad that the response i received from them was positive as they really went crazy over those songs. They have plans to watch macross as well. In the meantime I tell them to listen to Walkure's songs as well.

Macross is really good when it comes to music! Indeed a success!

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>>145179087

>A hug and an ED2 single.

I want both that song and the ending.

>>145179520
>Hikaru
>Boyfriend material

No. Just no.

>>145179520
You better have meant Hayate because Hikaru a shit.

>>145178913
Ranka's crush on Alto was pathetic and superficial. She didn't know anything about him, and they had no chemistry. She only liked him because he's hot and because she thought he would always support and protect her. But most of the time, he wasn't even the one who protected her.

I don't care about Sheryl, but she's a way better match for Alto that Ranka ever would be.

>>145178313
>tfw Kawamori said Sheryl might get interested in others
Alto has to work to keep her.

Is Heinz going to be alright? Mikumo mindraped him pretty hard.

>>145179200
I liked the unrequited aspect of Alto and Ranka, too. In the end and after a few rewatched I think their relationship in the tv series is quite interesting and complex, a bit fucked up too, and that's something that doesn't get enough credit. They care about each other, but most of the time they weren't on the same page, as exemplified by the Vajra dilemma (the scene where Ranka defends Ai-kun is one of my favourite of the franchise, because Ranka is right but, damn, I can understand Alto's reaction).

>>145179747
Keith will protect his otouto, fear not.

>>145179559
So what you are saying is that all Windemereans are pedophiles? Because Freyja herself mentions how she was encouraged to marry even prior to Macross delta events
hot

>>145179611
>>145179622
Yeah that was supposed to be Hayate.

Hikaru a fucking garbage. (DYRL Hikaru is okay though)

>>145178922
Ranka is fucking shit and the worst heroine so far. As annoying as Mylene was at least she was a strong and brave girl for her age and not a pampered whinny child.

>>145179439
That shitposter calls Rie's tsunderes teens instead of lolis. I don't know why there are people that still entertains his bait.

>>145179582
That's nice, but no one gives a fuck about your blog and/or shitty bait so fuck off.

>>145179789
He already failed to prevent the /ss/ anon.

First shpping war, then writers arguing, now LRD shitposting? the hell is going on with Macross Delta thread.

>>145179477
And small mounds aren't uncommon for loli.

>>145179500
>Implying age matters
Stop posting.

>>145179559
Whatever, I'm out.

>>145179882
It happened only once. He will protect him next time.

>>145179605
>both that song and the ending
You mean the Mikumo song that played during the credits montage? Meh, I wasn't really that much into it.

>>145178922
>Even Ranka wasn't that bad.
I hope you mean Movie Ranka

Rewatched Longest Birthday the other day. Hikaru never could be bothered to go buy a gift for Minmay even though he was invited well in advance. This is the episode where he's promoted and gets Kakizaki and Max as his underlings. He takes them with him to Nyannyan show that he can show off to Minmay. He then has to sortie so he's forgiven for anything that happens for rest of that episode since he does go and risk life and limb in combat (though he's not different from anyone else doing so either) Except at the end when he gives his medal and plays it off as his intended present all along.

Delta's birthday episode actually has Kawamori doing his fabled subversions of expectations, because early in the episode Hayate seems to be complaining about expensive things and that a birthday present shouldn't be about money (which in a sense is true, but early on it just seems like he's unwilling to spend any great ammount) but then instead he ends up giving Freyja one of the best possible presents and one that can be seen as pretty romantic by most standards

>>145179900
The show is shit, shitposting is the only thing left for us to do. LONG LIVE WINDERMERE

My only complaint about this episode is that the other pilots vanished when both sides engaged battle.

Seriously, where was Chuck and Arad? Even when Bogue was about to shoot his idolfu there was no one to protect the Walkure save for Hayate.

I know they wanted to show the resonance effects on the pilot, but just a 6 seconds scene of Arad and Chuck being busy enough for Bogue slipping away and charging at the Walkure would have been enough.

>>145179803
I like scumbag Hikaru as a character, makes for loads of fun moments.

>DYRL Hikaru is okay though
DYRL Misa is garbage to compensate.

By all rights, I should want Mirage to be the girl to end up with Hayate. The older more mature one, fighter pillot, hot space elf, light tsundere elements, etc.

But Freyja is just charming and her chemistry with Hayate is rock solid. It's like two people who are just comfortable with each other and there's no imbalance in the relationship, the way Minmay and Ranka had maturity issues compared to the guy in their respective series.

>>145180035
Belka pls go

>>145180048
It's about the MC and his idol, the rest of the squad is not important

>>145180062
DYRL is just so truncated, with Minmay and Hikaru making them more simplistic and lacking in development shaves off their rough edges, with Misa is actively short changes her development, it's harder to buy her changing from cranky and aloof to a genuine love interest without the time the series invested in doing it

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Based Anthology. Cute as fuck.

>>145180048
You also kinda forgot that Chuck is supposed to be an AWACS guy, but we've never heard any AWACS chatter.

>>145180048
Maybe they'll do perspective shift next episode? Seems like a pretty fun idea anyway

>>145180152
M-muh deeto

Hayate and Freyja are just extremely well complemented as a couple. It's the first Macross couple that to me just screams "destined" to be.

>>145179141
Anon, pls. No one can out-cancer shippers. But considering how any meaningful discussion in these threads has been replaced by all this shipping post, it's less being cancerous and more schadenfreude.

>>145179946

>You mean the Mikumo song that played during the credits montage? Meh, I wasn't really that much into it.

I loved it, it had that nice grungy feel at the start and made a nice removal from the ricky martin pop feel the rest of the songs have.

Each to their own tastes I guess.

>>145180152
My heart!

I'm still holding out for a HayaFre date in the anime. Please Kawamori.

>>145179832
>>145179954
I meant series Ranka too. She may have faults but it was part of her character development and made her more interesting. Her flaws weren't there just to be annoying, but served a purpose or explained why she rightfully lost.

And she tried to go against everyone because she believed something wasn't right with the war, which took some balls. Grace controlling her afterward wasn't anything she could prevent.

>>145180258
He took out HayaFre dance lesson episode because there're not enough episode so no date episode for you and me ;_;

>>145180152
>shitposters will still say she isn't loli

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>>145180152
Did someone scanned Anthology?

>>145180325
> tags: loli, pregnancy
okay

>>145180319
Bullshit! There's always time for HayaFre cuteness. Since their resonance is based on their bond, a date episode (he'll even a 5 minute date scene) would help them get closer.

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>>145180370
Not yet. I found this from twitter.
>Hayate blushed after seeing naked Mikumo
SLUT
>>145180395
They're working on the plot now so no relaxing time for you, just go watch episode 5 again and again like me.

>>145180640
He's only asexual when it comes to Mirage, huh.

>>145179914
Hers aren't that small. She has hips too. The point her, her figure is already in the middle of developing, she's too grown to be a loli.

>>145180640
B-But senpai ;_;

>>145178175
>>145178179
>>145178323
>>145178462
These fine gentlemen and scholars knows their shit.

Make me proud, Kawamori.

>>145179938
Once was too much. Keith is a failure of an oniisama and should commit sudoku.

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>>145180640
Drunked Mirage's a QT.
>>145180743
It's an anthology maybe there're Hayate blushing for Mirage in this one too.
>>145180796
Accept it kohai. No fluffy HayaFre for you anymore. Still hoping for sex scene though.

>>145180197
If you see conversations that you don't like, just change the subject. Meaninful discussions haven't been replaced, we discussed pretty much everything we had for now and are waiting for new content.

>>145180079
Hikaru wasn't a beacon of maturity either.

>>145180995

Comparatively. He was career military and had to grow up a lot faster than she did.

His thing was less immaturity and more he grew into an inconsiderate dick.

>>145180943
>Then I'll forgive you
Hnng. Dere Mirage is too cute.

>>145180640
Was Mikumo trying to rape Freyja?

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>>145180943
I SERIOUSLY NEED TO READ THIS FUCKING ANTHO I'M GONNA FUCKING BUY IT

>>145181149
She just want to have fun with everyone.

>>145181070
Being an inconsiderate dick is one of the heights of immaturity though isn't it. He was better in DYRL.

How is the novels so different? It looked more cheerful compare to the series?

>>145181230
Fun rape?

>>145181330
It have more detail.

I saw people saying there's more HayaFre shipping in the novel. Is that true?

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>>145181381
Yes

>>145178175
Dude, I wish Hayate was MY boyfriend.
No homo.

>>145176699
What is sex with Freyja like?

>>145181440
I saw some Nips talking about more HayaFre in novel so maybe. Just buy it if you want to know, just support Delta senpai.

>>145181644
like a singing dick shoved up your ass all the way up to your brain

>>145181702
Also someone said that you can calling it's a HayaFre novel. Didn't read it yet so not sure if it's real or not.

Has the single leaked yet?

>>145181702
I'd buy it but then when I get it, I'd just be looking at chicken scratches. This senpai doesn't know nihongo

>>145180079
>light tsundere elements
No.

I don't know why people kept saying this but no.

>>145180640
>Kaname escorting Mikumo away

Cute

>>145181330
>It looked more cheerful compare to the series?
You forget the series was super upbeat for a good like 10 episodes. The story is only in the first part

>>145181843
But he isn't wrong about that. Even Freyja have light tsundere attributes in her hence the banter and quarrels.

>>145181825
Nope. Better chances during the weekend.

>>145180048
I'm guessing Arad and Chuck keep Herman and Cassim occupied. Because Hayate has to give all of his attention to be a match for SHIROKISHI. Meanwhile Mirage attends to the twins and Bogue is...Bogue.

>>145180370
Ok that's priceless. Someone made Messer's room cute

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As someone who never watched any Macross aside from Delta and is into waifu wars, I really, really wanted Mirage to win.
I mean. She is tall, sexy, has a strong personality and she really cares for everyone. In my book, she is fucking perfect. Also those ears makes me hard.
However, I can't deny that Freyja is just too damn good in combination with Hayate and she is cute as hell... My only wish was for Mirage to had a deeper connection to Hayate so I could still consider her as a candidate for the bowl, however, Freyja is just the sole winner (which I don't really hate)

Look at what Mirage is wearing and tell me she isn't just perfect waifu material.

2 days 23 hrs 15 minutes until episode 19

>>145182162
If you like Mirage, don't you think she end up happiness is way more important than winning someone just because he is "MC".

>>145181962
Bantz=!tsundere. And neither is Mirage. Mirage was legitimately just angry at him. Then she stopped being angry at him when they got on better terms. That's not tsundere.

>>145182162
I agree that she is perfect waifu material, but I'd rather see her overcoming her issues that wining the bowl

>>145182162
She will win

>>145181161
Dam, ponytail Kumo is HOT!

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dickulture

>>145181962
Mirage wasn't tsundere, she was rightly pissed. Freyja is also not tsundere, she just exchanges bantz.

I think at the end it boils down to "which pairing has a stronger emotional connection and deeper impact" when it comes to winning the bowl. Mirage may be a nice person but HayaMira doesn't have the emotional intensity or meaningful bond to drive Delta plot or the audiences heartstrings like HayaFre does.

Mirage never stood a chance.

>>145182162
Mirage is a good girl. As much as I love episode 16 for muh otp in it, I get pangs of pain on Mirage's behalf whenever I see her scenes.

Watch Frontier, it's the macross where the love triangle was made the biggest deal out of. All macross but seven has one (technically it does too but it might as well not have had one)

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>>145182437

>>145182390
>her overcoming her issues

They are advancing towards the plot with only 8 episodes left. No chance for Mirage

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10 years later, I still remember 16.

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>>145182651

>>145182638
fug
maybe in the movies then

>>145182382
You should look up and learn what tsundere means.

Banter for a reason. They fight and got on each other nerves. It's hostility in a lighthearted manner. It defrosts over time and becomes a way to show affection. OTOH, Mirage was hostile in a more serious way and it was based around anger, but she warms up to him and eventually comes to like him. Both case involves the girl warming up and that is tsundere.

>>145182366
I always had the idea that if girls doesn't win the MC, she dies sad and alone, which I blame the shitty anime I watch.
I mean, I really want to see her happy, together with another person, which doesn't have to be the MC. I love animes that have side-pairings and not a big MC harem. My only hope is for Mirage to find a suitable male that appreciates her and she can have great scenes with like HayaFre, but she seemed kind of going for the MC, and knowing Freyja is just winning that shit, makes me sad.
I wouldn't mind a handsome man like Keith for Mirage. L-elf just does this things to me.

>>145182638
Half an ep is sufficient to overcome her issues, since it's only a mental block. She already has the skills and she doesn't need to change her personality, all she needs is a moment of decision or epiphany.

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>>145182638
I just want her to flying free or do something she want to do. Even she smile when Hayate cheer her up she still look sad. Where is fucking happiness for Mirage.

>>145182638
I think episode 21 will be about her and we might see even a confession. I don't think they will do much with her character considering not only 8 episodes are left, but also her whole character attention lately it's about her feelings. If they give her a good fight in the final battle, that would be nice.

>>145182754
>I always had the idea that if girls doesn't win the MC, she dies sad and alone, which I blame the shitty anime I watch.
Watch better anime
It's better if she finds happiness in the way she wants it

>>145182767
>Half an ep is sufficient to overcome her issues

"Hayate rescue" episode would be decent for Mirage

>>145182767
>>145182807
>>145182810
She needs to find her reason to fight

>>145182738
That's not tsundere. It's missing the crucial element where she's combative for no reason.

>>145182807
Soon she'll create the world with no bullying and no boundaries.

>>145182382
>>145182598
>legitimately
>rightfully
How does that disbar a girl from being tsundere? Do you realize how many tsundere there are that have valid/believable reasons to be tsun?

>>145182651
Someone post the Arad/Kaname edit.

>>145182906
>Implying that's a requirement
Watch more anime and read more manga. You don't know what tsundere means at all.

>>145182906
That is not and never has been a 'crucial' element that defines tsundere

Tsundere does not mean the rabid hell bitch types that represent the extremes

Originally tsundere simply reffered to any girl that would be initially cold/hostile towards the main character, but would eventually come around to like/fall in love him. It's when this was identified, and given a name, tsundere, that the horrible archetype was borne and many shows gives us character who are 'tsundere' for no reason.

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>>145182937
Leave it to Wizard 1.

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>>145177420

Freyja's not that flat.

If this weekend we still don't get anything from mirage imma go bonkers on this shit

>>145183083
>Roid
>Wizard 1
>A revolutionary

It fits

>>145183083
Come to think about it could NUNS or Elipson have a spy in delta squad or walkure my bet it either Arad or Mirage

>>145182754
I think Keith with his actual more playful personality he only shows from time to time could be good for Mirage. Shame it's not gonna happen.

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>>145183131
She's wearing a skirt in that shot. You think Hayate saw her panties?

How lewd.

>>145183456
>You think Hayate saw her panties?
No, he saw nothing of sort.

>>145183444
It could happen if Windermere end up expanding their life, even better if they show up in next TV Marcoss like how Max and Milia in Macross 7.

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>>145183456

What does this face make you think?

>>145183456
Isn't she wearing the shorts that go with that top? She wore that outfit in episode 3

>>145183619
Aw yeah, the next show will star with 15 years ago, there was a war.

>>145183619
I'd be satisfied if Mirage suddenly got good, Keith noticed her and in case they met face to face he smirked at her like he did with Messer and Mirage blushed. Come to think of it Keith flies freely, exactly what Mirage lacks.

Think we'll get to see Hayate mom before the show ends? Think Hayate'll bring Freyja to see her?

>>145183643
>fuck she's going to start tickling me

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>>145183659
Looking from this point, it's look like she wearing a skirt.

>>145183643

creeping sense of terror

>>145183707
>they met face to face he smirked at her like he did with Messer and Mirage blushed
STOP THIS FUCKING HEADCANON. But I like it.

>>145183075
You have got to be baiting. That is exactly what tsundere means three decades ago and what it still means now. It never changed. A girl that's hostile/aggressive/bitchy//etc but softens up enough to show a sweet/cute/loving aspect to the person they are tsun to is the basic design of a tsundere. It's that simple. Virtually every tsundere have a reason to act tsun and go dere. Exception exists though and that normally are reserved for works that revolves mainly around gags and comedy as development aren't necessarily required for such works.

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>>145183643

>>145183839
Did I say it changed? It's more than just that now though. A lot of shitty anime has characters created for the sole purpose of being a tsundere, and don't actually include a reason for them being tsun, they just want a tsundere in their show

Are you mentally deficient to think there aren't a fucking ton of poorly done anime out there where this the case?

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>>145183981

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>>145182950

so mikumo is some princess?

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Heinz's song rape when?

>>145183981
>>145184129
Oh that's some subtle detail.

>>145177776
Meiya was self-assured, mature, and noble. Mirage is none of those things.

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Why is she holding down her skirt, I can't see her pantsu this way

>>145183643
>UHIHIHIHIHI~

>>145184195
Messer must feel jelly...fish.

>>145184198
She is Razgriz

>>145182906
That's only the most common prominent feature of the shitty cookie-cutter tsundere. It's by no means a crucial element for a tsundere.

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last scene of Delta
>Freya looking little older
>harvesting apples on Windermere
>she look in the sky with gleaming eyes
>suddenly blue-haired little girl say to her "sing me something mama!"
>Hoina!
>THE END

>>145184552
I'm pretty sure that Hayate and Freyja in the last episode would be in the Windermerean farm and picking apples.

>>145184101
>Originally
>reffered to
Yes, you explicitly implied that it changed. Implying there's a difference now.is the same thing.

Quality and reason of being tsun are not directly link. It isn't even a prerequisite needed to be classified as a tsundere. Good and bad exists in everything and that includes tsundere that have a reason and also the ones that aren't given a reason.

>>145184552
Does the little girl have a rune?
I keep wondering if halfies would have a longer lifespan...

It bothers me that despite their small amount of screentime Herman and Cassim are likable and believable characters but then you have characters that have more screentime and have more to do with the story than Herman and Cassim but are one dimensional and had very little characterization to attach to their personalities.

>>145184372
>implying pantsu

>>145180994
Anon, in these past few threads, I've been called Mirage-fag numerous times and have any discussion about the ruins and Freyja completely derailed because it dared challenged their precious ship. And then every other shippers dogpile it, and proceed to change the topic to more shipping talk. You are incredibly naive to think this can be ignored.

>>145184552
>Freyja retired from Walkure
I would love to see their kid but stop doing something their love and go fucking making baby like a rabbit instead is kinda weird.

Ep 18 was a bit intense, kind of confused.

Mikumo is some test subject, and when freyja went out of control, was it because of the protoculture or did it happen because she and hayate reacted so strongly?

At what point did HayaFre become a thing?

Easy answer is of course episode 16. It's clearly the point at which Hayate begin to consider her romanticly and in her case the final flood gates were swept away. What about before then?

I doubt Freyja seemed all too impressed with Hayate in episode 1, and he was kinda annoyed with her for having such cheerful outlook. He quickly got rather protective of her and even helped her to get to Ragna. She for her part seems to start thinking he's a pretty sweel guy for a jerk at this point. By episode 3 they're really buddy buddy with each other, clearly enjoying each other's company. Episode 4 has Hayate taking his role as her protector very seriously and he's very concerned with her well being and not being down by episode 6.

Freyja first seems to start being genuinely attracted to him by episode 9 after the whole resonation thing, though she's not really aware of it. Hayate for his part doesn't seem change his outlook and neither does she for a while after this. They're just pretty close and good friends and naturally drawn to each other. Then we get episode 16.

Did I miss any beats?

>>145184960
Protoculture ruin fucked her so her song fucked Hayate.

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>>145184552
I'm ok with this

>>145184765
what if they made babies while they're what they love

>>145184960
It's all because of Portoculture ruins.

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Well Hayate already has his apple picking outfit so yeah. Hayate and Freyja have a vacation home in Windermere where they go twice a year with their daughter to relax, spend some quality family time and pick apples.

How precious.

>>145184730
We talked about this yesterday already. We get it you want attention but it's becoming annoying. If you want to discuss something feel free to start it but stop complaining if other anons don't agree with it for whatever reason, shipping including, or ignore it. If you don't like the threads feel free to leave. None is holding you here but your bitterness.

>>145184730
There are still anons willing to talk if you provide good arguments. Are you talking about the resonance stuff? because that's already been discussed in the last thread.

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What is Keith end game?

He don't care about his bro, doing shady shit with glasses fag and kill others without giving a fuck

>>145178175
This anon knows what he's talking about.

>>145185009
Nope. I think you got it perfectly. And then episode 17 was him contemplating the possibility of the crush and seeing her with lovestruck eyes. Episode 18 tore down any barriers concerning their different lifespans and they confirmed that they would fly/sing for each other.

We're approaching the end of this fine ass show. How are you all hoping it's going to end?

I think we're en route to some kind of grand sacrifice, either by Freyja or Mikumo, and probably also Heinz.

I wouldn't be surprised if Heinz ended up surviving the ending though since his death seems to be such a foregone conclusion. It would be surprising.

Think we're going to see any satisfying Windnigger deaths?

>>145185056
I would love to see Hayate riding VF while take caring of his son then.
>>145185120
That's some kind of delusion anon.
>>145185009
He look like a love struck boy in episode 17 but I'm still not sure if he really love her or not. Just have to wait, the ship didn't sail yet.

>>145185350
>Think we're going to see any satisfying Windnigger deaths?
Quasim, Herman, Roid

>>145185009
I felt a turning point, even minor, was when (I think it was) Makina said he saw Hayate and Mirage together and said they were lovers. Here is where Freyja goes her way to find out if this is true because she felt the pain in her heart more than mere curiosity.

It's fucking sad though that Hayate will be close to his thirties and Freyja close to dying.

>>145185356
As I said yesterday for Hayate is not love yet. It's on the level of like, crush, words better fitting for his emotional situation towards Freyja. Now for this to become love, we will need some action and words from both parts. Like in episode 16, what Hayate did for Freyja it transformed her like to love going by episodes 17-18. So we will need Freyja to do or say something that will make Hayate's feelings become love.

>>145185509
episode 22 maybe

>>145185509
this is probably fair

I'm pretty sure episode 22 will be the big deciding turnaround for Hayate from crush to love. Freyja supposedly does something very brave this episode. Perhaps in that moment where she puts herself in danger, he comes to realize how important to him she really is and that he loves her. Hence the VA's "Hayate needs Freyja"

>>145185221
His end game was first to make Windermere great again, but it looks like he and the windies are out for revenge more than anything. Now with Roid's crazy plans he'll remember his first goal, tell his friend to go fuck himself, make up with his otouto and rebuild Windermere again.
Honestly I don't think he'll be in time to save Heinz though.

>He doesn't care about his bro
He does, he just won't admit it. He ignored him to let him focus on his singer and later king role. It's tough love, just like what Messer and Mikumo did to their teammates.

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So what's happen here? The ruin didn't did something with Freyja yet but it's look like her song overwhelming him?

Differences in the novel for anyone who cares.

Al Shahal
Episodes 1-2
Reworked so that it is mostly from Hayate's perspective. No switches to Walkure doing undercover work or Aerial Knight pov, Messer fighting Keith, etc., but there are some scene shifts to Freyja, Mirage in combat, and Kaname noticing abnormal fold receptor readings from Freyja.
Some flashbacks added of Freyja reminding Hayate of his father.
Ends with Hayate being shot down

Ragna
Episode 2
Flash-forward to Hayate and Freyja arrival on Ragna, but with Hayate reflecting on Mirage reprimanding him for a long time for jumping into a military craft, him getting tired of it and retorting about her being out of sync, which invited another long angry lecture, but he does recognize that she has a point.
.
No encounter with Chuck's siblings, they go straight into the Elysion.
Scene at the reception desk starts out the same, but Mirage calls Aisha Blanchett about specimens alpha and beta showing up, with Aisha saying she will contact Kaname and Arad and telling Mirage to proceed with process theta.
After some more communications, Mirage tells Freyja that she is allowed to enter the audition as a special exception. Hayate congratulates her and is ready to run away because she is too bright for him, but Mirage tells him that Arad wants to see him.
After Earnest and Kaname's introduction, the audition screening is skipped directly to the interview.
The rest is the same as the anime, but with no Mirage at the end.

Ragna
Episode 3
Still no kids.
Kaname, without Chuck, shows Hayate and Freyja to the Walkure dormitory.
Mirage walks out and is annoyed and wondering why Hayate is there, and to her shock, he says it's because he has joined Delta squad.
Scene shift to Mirage angrily complaining to Arad about Hayate missing class, not following orders, vomitting on her, etc. and that someone else should be in charge of his training.
Mirage thinks there are better choices for pilots in alpha and beta squads, but Arad points out that there is no other candidate in Xaos with Var resistance numbers as high as Hayate, which is the most important thing for a group escorting Walkure, and that the team was originally conceived to be made up of 15 members. Mirage is still reluctant, but Arad orders her to continue training him.
The rest starts to plays out a like episode 3 with the training in some ways, but Hayate begins to panic when Mirage makes the declaration of making him leave if he isn't able to shoot her down in 3 weeks.
Messer tells a stressed out Hayate that he isn't giving it his all and advises him that anything is fair play in a dogfight. Hayate starts calming down and gets ideas about this after he runs into the seacat.
The rest is the same, but more spaced out.

Ragna
Episode 4
Windermere interlude
Party
No kids, no Messer talking to Chuck's sister. No bridge girl gossip about Kaname and Arad.
Instead, Aisha introduces herself to Hayate and tells him how he has the potential to activate fold quartz.
The Freyja scene on Aether about her music player living 30 years is mixed in with the party, and after Freyja leaves, Mirage appears out of nowhere because she overheard them talking about Fire Bomber and talks about how long Windermerians live on average.

Planet Randor
Mostly the same for the initial set up but compressed.
Mirage pov of her being annoyed by Hayate breaking formation but there is text about her being excited and having fun flying with Hayate.
Aether is attacked by 20 Drakens while Delta is dealing with six and the Var'd local forces.
Arad reminds us that the Drakens are believed to be able to nullify missiles and auto targeting. I guess that's why we never see missile spam.
Messer has his brief dogfight with Keith and a Var flashback.
Walkure doesn't have to split up and rather than having to wrestle a nightmare in battroid mode like in episode 4, he transforms into battroid and shoots down a missile volley aimed at Walkure. No Mirage joining him here.


Biggest change
No Bogue, no twins, no Herman, no Cassim

>>145187155
>No Bogue

God bless the novel

>No Cassim
>No Herman

What is this bullshit

>>145187001
Something like that? It's been happening for the past few episodes. There's no real good explanation for it. It's clear something is off, but noone reacts as if something is wrong before Freyja is in fact taken by the system. Up until then it was just "intense resonation".. of course we can tell that something seems weird. I'd had previously wondered if it was because he's wearing a fold quartz that acts as an amplifier when he maybe no longer needs one maybe? Like he's getting a crazy feedback loop or something. I honestly don't know if this is simple enough to explain it though.

>>145187155
Thank you anon.

>>145187019
>>145187112
>>145187155
Thanks! It was interesting.

>>145175329
>>Isn't macross chronicle discounted as being an official source?

You are thinking of VF Master File where it is an in-universe document not official setting material which is Macross Chronicle. If it is on Macross Chronicle it is official.

so bet on getting bitch mirage this eps?
something about freyja causing hayate to var-like

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Look at those thighs, look at that hips to waist ratio, look at all those curves. How can you even consider Freyja to be anything but a healthy and fully developed teen?

>>145185350
I don't think we'll get Freyja, Mikumo or Heinz sacrificing themselves in the end. I could see something along the lines of Freyja "singing/wearing out" out her lifespan in order to "connect the hearts of people and therefore bringing about an understanding" in one big final song. She also manages to connect with the hearts of Heinz and Mikumo (whom I think will go berserk at some point and bring about an apocalypse of sorts). And then she begins to fade away, but Mikumo would sing life back into her or something out of gratitude, since Mikumo is some type of magical being that can control the protocolture ruins.

As for Heinz he can't die, he's the ruler of Windermere so he has to survive to help guide his country into a new Era of peace.

>>145184730
If you're the mind-control anon that's not just because of shipping, but because your theory is retarded.

>>145188688
>Era of peace
Mistakes were done. You can't take this shit back just like that. He's fucking stupid for being manipulated like that. Heinz deserves an awful death.

>>145187019
>>145187112
>>145187155
Thanks anon.

>>145188607
Mmm i'd put 70/30 on not getting them.

>>145188873
>hating on a 9 year old boy who has the fate of his people resting on his shoulder

Calm you manboobs, anon. It's anime. And it's a Kawamori series to boot. If you're looking for death, violence, no understanding, then Macross is not for you.

>>145185009
Freyja showed instances of being specifically conscious of Hayate as early as episode 3. Her crush on him was around the point you mentioned as it's the first time she actively blushes towards him

One thing I can confidently say is that it wasn't a love at first sight sort of thing.

>>145185221
>He don't care about his bro
No he does. He just acts very intentionally cold towards him. That is actually changing now with Roid in command as he's asking about Heinz and stuff.

Episode 13 when the ruins blew up, he actively did yell out "Heinz!"

>>145188873
He's also literally 9 years old. Like, he should be in fucking 3rd grade, not ruling anything. Not to mention all the bullshit Roid probably put in his head

>>145189271
It's a boy that has lived 1/3 of his life and he's a king. You can't play the age card in this case.

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>>145188668
A-are they preying on Freyja?

>>145189489
Roid is basically his regent.

>>145189593
Yes.

Nobody unironically likes this show, right? Have we all forgotten what a disgrace it is to the Macross series?

>>145189527
Well you've lived at least 1/3 of your life as well and you seem pretty fucking stupid, so I guess we'll call you and Heinz even.

>>145188668
If you think Freyja's body is sexy then I have some interesting news for you.

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>>145189652

>>145187019
Thanks for the detail descriptions. Basically mirage has more involvement in the novels

>>145189702
What?

>>145189717
Everyone hated it at first, and for good reason. I guess it's like battered wife syndrome in anime form.

>>145189793
You are into little boys.

>>145189830
It still has shitty writing and poor character development. Girls are cute.

>>145189842
You mean lolis.

>>145189842
Yes, and what about the news you had for me?

>>145189830
>Everyone hated it at first
I didn't.

>>145189953
Well, all macross fans then.

>>145189987
I'm a fan of Macross, and don't you pull an "all true Scotsman" on me.

>>145190054
>I'm a fan of Macross
No you're not. Not if you like the direction the franchise is heading.

>>145190096
I'd say that the person who is disliking the franchise is the one less qualified to consider himself a fan. Maybe you should call yourself ex-fan.

>>145190096
Its still the same Macross, but with idols and pretty plot armored boys to sell.

>>145190131
Ex fan is one way to put it. Although, I could also say that I'll just ignore everything post-frontier.

>>145190096
I haven't watched the older series. What's wrong with Delta compared to them?

>>145190401
Nothing is wrong with Delta, it's been a bit slow but it's starting to pick up pace. People just forget that every Macross series has something that makes them different in their own sense.

You'll never make them happy.

>Delta is just too different! It's not Macross!
>Delta is too similar to past Macross! I want something new!

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>>145189880
>lolis
The point of >>145188668 is that Freyja's body is not loli-like. She looked borderline loli during first episodes, like for example on this screenshot >>145184552. But half a year passed since then, she actually matured in anime. Just look at those hoinas.

>>145188668
> Freyja
> Teen
Anon her life is half over. She's a full blown cake.

>>145190676
Its Macross so they will magically fix windie lifespan. And kill that Epsilon guy, voiced by Fujiwara for UNDERSTANDING.

>>145190576
>she actually matured in anime
It's the clothes, anon.

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best girl
best voice
best body
best everything

>>145190789
best plot device
best Razgriz

>>145190789
>best
It's the most shallow girl. She has nothing to show.

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>>145190783
Idk man, that looks like a teenage body to me.

>>145190789
She makes me cum HISTORIA

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>>145190783
Are these curves created by clothes too?

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>>145190860

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>>145190860
But that's not Reina.

>>145190789
That face is weird. I mean, it's cute, but it's too cutesy to be Mikumo. The relatively small body is not helping either. I guess it could pass as a younger Mikumo.

>>145190676
What do you think teen means? It's someone who's between 13-19. She is.

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>>145190962
actually now that I think about it both Hayate and Freyja have flown "nude" before in episode 1.

How lewd.

Will the wavy wave jellyfish song from episode 10 be on the next album

>>145191054
Reina is actually the flattest girl

>>145191108
No. That song isn't "Walkure"

You'll find it on the official soundtrack.

>>145190860
Despite the shinpi memes, she's one of the most developed characters in the show.

>>145190888
I was just being sarcastic about people considering Freyja a loli. I agree that she has a teenage body. It's just that her hoinas aren't that big so autists act like she's a loli because of her age. But I still don't think she actually matured in the anime or that the studio had any intention of showing us some kind of growth. In both of the pics you posted it's clear as fuck that it's all thanks to the clothes she's wearing.

What's your opinion on goods that expire quickly?

>>145191278
It's all good as long as you can get the most fun out of them till that happens.

>>145190962
>>145191298
Her Freyjas really did grow quite a lot.

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>>145175282
>I want a source stating that Zentraedi live longer than humans. I see this meme perpetuated a lot. But never a good reliable source.

I've heard:
>All zentraedi live longer
>Commander type zentraedi live longer
>Only Bodolza live long (DYRL version) which is more do with him being super modified and plugged into his fortress like he was it's heart.

The fact that pure Zentradi characters barely ages if at all. As seen here Milia is identical to her daughter Komilia who is 20 when Mylene was born. Timothy Dandalton in Macross VF-X2 still looks young despite being a Zentradi Space War 1 veteran. Mei Leilong in Macross 30 has the same genetic quirk as Klan but if we believe Aisha she's an old lady.

>>145190962
Nice photoshop skills, senpai.

>>145191278
Gotta enjoy them while they're good.

Yes, but consider that Freya's song had over 22000 fold waves, whereas an important song in your normal idol's song has around 12000.
I think it still equates to Freya's being superior even against a 52 girl's band because even by normal standards she is so infinitely superior.

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>>145191710
It's the angle man that makes it look like they are bigger.

>>145191439
Yeah. That doesn't work at all. Sorry. Max is pure human as well, and he's equally unaging.

When questioned about why Max and Milia looked so young in 7, Kawamori made up some bullshit troll answer like they're both ace pilots and Max is a genius. He clearly didn't care about it, and he didn't point out any increased life span for zentraedi, because there is none.

Klan and Mei Leeron's issues with looking a lot a younger than they are in miclone form is explicitly tied to technical glitches with miclone technology and has nothing to do with Zentraedi not aging. Like did you miss the fact that Klan was a true loli in miclone form and fully grown adult in meltran form? Or did you just not watch Frontier?

>>145191195
>But I still don't think she actually matured in the anime or that the studio had any intention of showing us some kind of growth
Just look at this collage. All Freyja's faces are sorted by episode. Maye it's just me, but I do see some changes. In the right part her faces are more mature and sexual than in the left part.

>>145191924
>at this collage
I mean to link >>145178323

There's this thing called puberty

>>145192075
except Freyja is literally in the prime breeding age of her species

>>145192075
No, there are only lolis and MILFs.

>>145191924
Yeah, sometimes it looks like that's the case but the thing is that there is so much inconsistency even in the same episode. In one scene she seems all mature and in another scene the same old Freyja. That's why it doesn't seem to as intentional growth but rather random fanservice for the heck of it.

/r/ images of Mikumo raping Heinz!