Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1622

Daily reminder that WaniKani is the best. It teaches you 2000 Kanji and 6600 Vocab words and even ensures you never get overworked by a massive amount of reviews.

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Why aren't you taking advantage of the opportunity that you have? You have an opportunity right now that you will probably never have again. A lot of NEETs are acting like they're going to be NEETs for the rest of their life and they're studying Japanese at a leisurely pace, but you probably won't be a NEET in a few years from now.

You have to grind hard now and get everything you can get out of these years of having no responsibilities or obligations to take up your study time. What's worse than not learning Japanese is having this opportunity of a lifetime of being a NEET and then still not learning Japanese because you wasted your NEET years by taking it easy. That's far worse. At least normal people can say that their work hours took away their study time and that's why they never learned Japanese. NEETs can't say that, you have all of the time in the world right now.

You should be studying at least three times as long as the average normal and employed person. There's no excuse for anything less and if you do less than that then you're going to hate yourself when this opportunity is no longer here.

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今日も一日がんばるこもしれぞい！

Glad someone finally decided to make the damn thread

>>145144163
Daily reminder that ReAdInG is always better than any SRS

I finished my hour of mandarin reps
Time to watch raw anime for hours on end

>>145144166
I'm not a NEET alright, and I do 30 words + grammar every day.

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>>145144163
Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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>>145144402
Sadly there's nothing good this season aside from Active Raid. I can't watch the other crap.

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>>145144483
>You CAN learn Japanese!
way ahead of you my friend

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>>145144433
>Not a neet
>Thinking you can できる

>>145144826
The hipster factor wanikani goes for is just disgusting

>>145144487
re life was kinda fun but it's already all available, and re zero is still entertaining

but there's always a backlog

I'm nearing the end of where I can improve significantly from anime anyway

>>145145726
I wish there was a good drama this season

just learned that the kani in wanikani stands for 蟹

>>145145967
罠悲

>>145145967
Funnily enough you don't even unlock that kanji until wanikani level 32 genki II chapter 66 section e4

>>145144487
>Sadly there's nothing good this season aside from Active Raid
False, try getting some actual taste you shit eating retard.

足を向けて寝られない

well this is interesting

>been up for 6 hours
>still haven't started my reps

>>145146610
Don't even bother doing them, frog

>>145146610
Who are you quoting?

Today I did Anki for 35 minutes and then I read a visual novel for 3 hours and 45 minutes.

>>145146994
Not your blog

>>145146994
This a new epic meme?

>>145146994
Should've read Anki for 4 hours and 20 minutes.

I managed to pass JLPT N5 without being able to string a single sentence together.

How can I move from SRS junkie to functioning member of society?

>>145147069
>>145147155
lurk more

>>145147271
Read through successive levels of JLPT textbooks until you reach fluency

>>145147271
You don't need to be able to string sentences together to pass any JLPT level.

>>145147312
Posted this every thread for a while doesn't make it board culture.

日本語を勉強していて、面白いと思ったことと難しいと思ったことは何ですか。

>>145147443
yes it does, lurk more

Okay I just started my core deck and as I'm studying it I try not to look at the sentence until I answer figure the answer out for the reading for the vocab


Do they WANT us to read the sentence before answer the vocab? I just ran into 2 readings of 日 and 日　so I assume so?

>>145145842
91 days is a good show if you like crime drama.

>>145147790
Not really, I do it the same way.

>Look at card
>Say Solution out loud
>Reveal Sentence
>Say Sentence out loud
>Next card

>>145147851
Eh.. If I said it aloud I would name all its readings then read to find out the meaning.

I guess there really is no "wrong way" so long as you get the material however.

>>145147762
You need to post it for months on end with the dedication of Fin with zoiko for it to become board culture.

>>145147926
I also edit my cards to make it more obvious what they ask for.

日　（ひ）
〜日　（〜にち）

>>145144826
I like how this list finishes with 済

>>145147643
難しい所と言えば、おチンチンがいつも固くなるからうまく集中出来ない

>>145147926
There aren't that many words that can be read multiple (common) ways so that isn't really a big deal

>>145148040
Alright thanks anon.

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>>145147188

>>145148017
I messed that one up in the last review just when it was about to get burned.
Wrote ざい instead of さい for the reading.

Which should technically be okay since 経済 also uses that reading but wanikani is very strict.

>>145148118
ざい is just a rendaku reading, it isn't listed officially

>>145148118
And that's why you shouldn't have used wanikani

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When did you realize that you can't learn japanese?

post grids!

>>145144166
>you probably won't be a NEET in a few years from now
I don't see why not. It's been that way for 8 years now.

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>>145148156
Yes, there is no excuse for this, but I try to make one up nonetheless everytime this happens.

>>145148223
How do you get money? Do you live with your parents?

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>>145148213
Muh mining deck

>>145144166
I probably will be a NEET forever because my pills cost 400 dollars per month.

>>145148244
I have 'healthy complications' for which I claim a total of 900+/mo in autismbux. It doesn't sit well with me on principal, but I'm an opportunist.

To be clear, I do actually have health issues (and crippling social issues), but I haven't been doing much to improve my situation. Until recently.

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>>145148213
Set number of kanji in in app table to 50 so you can easily count how far you are. I wish the maximum that value could be set at was 100 instead of 99

>>145148444
Lucky bitch, wish I was fucked up enough to get neetbux

>>145148444
Nice trips

Learning a language can help overcome social issues, because your brain treats it like a fresh start. Multi lingualists often say they feel like they have a different personality in every language they speak.

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I'm getting there!

Is it fine if I use a 10k core deck instead of a 2k/6k?

10k is starting off with numbers etc so I think there about the same.

What does 分け mean in the following header.

スピーチレベル(丁寧さ)の使い分け

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>>145148213
It just struck me that i have a long way to go.

>>145148919
It's not, since you should start your own mining deck eventually.

>>145148534
>Multi lingualists often say they feel like they have a different personality in every language they speak.
This probably has more to do with how each language is used changing how you would respond in different situations

what is the difference in pronouncing 切る and 着る I can't seem to figure it out.

>>145144166
>>You should be studying at least three times as long as the average normal and employed person. There's no excuse for anything less and if you do less than that then you're going to hate yourself when this opportunity is no longer here.
Once I stopped being a NEET I became way more efficient at studying (not just nip). Honestly when you're a NEET it's hard to get the kind of motivation required to do something for hours on end, even when it's something you want to do/like doing.

The best tip for getting better at studying as a NEET is to stop being NEET, desu.

>>145149106
This isn't Chinese anon.

>>145149106
You understand you are learning the language with the most homophones right?

>>145149156
>The best tip for getting better at studying as a NEET is to stop being NEET
This sentance contradics itself

>>145149236
No it doesn't you dumb ESL.

>>145144166
>At least normal people can say that their work hours took away their study time and that's why they never learned Japanese.
Yeah what a great fulfilling life.

I'm working shift, often 18 days straight without a free day, it's not only tiring as fuck to work so many days straight, working night shifts alone is fucking me and I often can't concentrate on shit due to the lack of sleep.

I'll quit my job and live of savings fuck this shit.

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>>145144826
Nah

火花を見てる人いる？

結構面白いネットフリックスのドラマだ

>>145149281
>getting better at studying as a NEET
The act of studying while not in education employment or training.
By getting a job you are no longer neet and therefore you have not gotten better at studying as a neet

>>145149416
How long have you been mining to get that? What's your vocab count?

>>145149289
I worked in some IT business last year. I was so bored at times, I started memrise and just spent hours there every day learning Japanese.

>>145149447
English allows for shitty ambiguous sentences amigo. If you weren't ESL you'd be able to tell the sentence clearly implies: If you're a NEET that wants to improve at studying, stop being a NEET.

Sorry you can't comprehend basic English speech, Harambe.

>>145149468
About a year, 9600

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>>145144166
>tfw doing my reps and watching anime during night shifts because there's nothing to do 90% of the time

If you can get lucky and find a comfy job, then this is a non-issue.

After finishing basic grammar, should I do a kanji deck and a vocab deck simultaneously or should I finish the kanji before beginning vocab?

>>145149512
>After
You start core and grammar at the same time. Read the guide.

>>145149547
start with kanji, one week in add vocab and hope it uses kanji you already learned

>>145149547
You should be learning kanji THROUGH vocab, not as two separate units.

>>145149608
The only thing he "should" be doing is what he feels works best for him

>>145149512
Yep, I just bring my laptop with me and read VNs all night usually.

>>145149608
That sounds like the best option to me. Does the core 2K/6K deck do a good job of teaching the Kanji along with the vocab?

>>145149505
>the sentence clearly implies
It doesn't though. Its completely ambiguous

>>145149647
People can get scammed into "feeling" that something works best for them very easily.
See Rosetta Stone, Wanikani and JALUP.

So my computer accidentally broke 3 days ago. What do you guys recommend to start reading with now? I suppose I could use books from the library.

>>145149764
There are two real options for what the sentence could mean, and one of them doesn't make sense. That leaves the other meaning. Once again I'm sorry for your lack of understanding, Carlos.

>>145149697
>Does the core 2K/6K deck do a good job of teaching the Kanji along with the vocab?
It doesn't do that at all, you have to abstract the knowledge yourself through vocab.

>>145149777
Wanikani does work though. It doesn't work as well as free alternatives, but it's far better than the other gimmicks people could fall for.

>>145149777
Wankikani actually does work fine, anon. It's pretty equivalent to working through something like core, it just costs more money than it's worth.

What the fuck is JALUP.

>>145149814
>one of them doesn't make sense.
It makes sense it just sounds silly because it is.
>The best tip for getting better at driving as a bus driver is to stop being a bus driver

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>>145149416
>Only 2.8 kanji
Do you even want to be able to read?

>>145149894
>What the fuck is JALUP.
This shit http://japaneselevelup.com/item-store/

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>>145148213

>>145150024
I refuse to believe people are dumb enough to fall for this shit.

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>>145150121
Its probably rich kids with their parents credit card

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Hey guys.

I just finished studying kana and am trying to move on to Core 6k.

With regards to studying with anki, should I take the time to decipher the kana and read the surrounding words before I try to figure out what the answer is?

Pic related

>>145150529
Oh jesus christ I had almost forgotten about that yellow colour

You're gunna wanna change that entire layout, the cards aren't supposed to be set up like that, I think there's a good default one in the core somewhere

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That's the longes string or ら / れ I ever witnessed

>>145150099
>>145148326
pls how do you get perfect grids like that?

It's like you just press good every single time.

>>145150596

Yeah, I had suspected something was wrong. Do I just delete these decks and download something else?

>>145150660
It's been a long time since I used a core deck so I'm not sure which ones are which, but I'd assume the one in the guide is the normal one, is that not the one you used? If not then just go check out the anki setup page

>>145150648
They just sorted them by score

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https://soundcloud.com/masaaki-ikawa/saigono-uta-young-mix

Pretty song with pretty lyrics (and rather simple to understand).
Don't click if you hate your dad.

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>>145150721

Alright, I went and re-downloaded the deck. Is this what it is supposed to look like?

And also, should I just focus on the vocab or also try to decipher the sentence they give you at the bottom every time too?

>>145150919
There should be audio and images for the cards too, so you won't have to decipher the sentence and can listen to it instead.

>>145150919
The main things you wanna focus on is how the word is read and what the word means, the sentence is just there to show you how the word works in context

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>>145150968
>sentence audio

>>145150635
Man I've seen some great conjugations before but I can't remember any of them now, 残念

>>145151069
Yes? Perfect for language shadowing.
The core 10k deck isn't 700MB for nothing.

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>>145150919
That's the right one.

Generally I just go for meaning + reading, but the first time I see a new word I try to understand the sentence to get context for it.

I'd also recommend installing this addon: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/498789867
as it lets you replay sounds in a much more easy to control way, without having to listen to the entire sentence audio every time if you're just trying to get the pronunciation of the vocab down. It gives little playback buttons like in my screenshot.

>>145150099
>>145149416
What tool do you use to make a chart like this? Is it something built into Anki I haven't found yet?

>>145151228
It's an addon called kanji grid

>>145151138

Thanks, friend. That will come in handy. If there are any other add-ons I should be downloading, feel free to let me know.

>>145151136
Yeah, it's great if you like spending double the time in Anki each day instead of reading.

Is there anything worse than playing a VN where the sound stops every time you click off the window to search for a word

>>145151290
How does having audio in anki double the time

No beginner is going to be going through the core deck faster than an audio clip can play anyway

>>145151300
Nanking
The Holocaust
People who like Rei over Asuka
Rwandan genocide

>>145151250
Thanks a lot!

>>145151300
Uptalk. Ganguro. Not knowing Japanese.

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>>145151290
>not recording yourself trying to perfectly mimic the sentence audio and then totally hating yourself when listening to it

>>145151342
can confirm I barely get through half the sentence before the voice actor finishes.

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おはようおにいちゃん

たのしんでいこう

>>145151377
How is a bunch of random people that I've never even come into contact with suffering worse than my ears being inconvenienced?

I'll give you the eva one though, liking Evangelion is indeed pretty atrocious

>>145151540
はうういもうとさんっっちょうかわいいぃ！
おもちかえり～

>>145151484
What's uptalk?

>>145151653
Not much what's up with you

>>145151653
This:
>>145151136
>Yes?
>>145147790
>so I assume so?

>>145151966
My god who would have thought there were so many American teenage girls in this thread

>>145151250

Does it matter which "kanji grid" add on I download? I think there's four different ones

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>>145148213
Just starting out!

>>145152532
I'm using this one https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/942570791

>>145152618

Thanks. Good luck on your Japanese adventures

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>Once you have read through your chosen grammar guide, you are ready to start reading Japanese. While it’s not necessary, reading will be easier if you have reached about 2000 words in Core2K/6K at this point

Okay is anyone actually capable of reading anything with only 2000 words?
I hit 1800 words so I read through Tae Kim to be able to read, but once I tried I noticed I can't read shit cause I don't know most of the words I encountered.

Am I doing something wrong?
I seriously can't believe that anyone here is able to read if you only learned 2k words from the vocab deck, especially with the stupid shit you learn early on that seem like I won't encounter it any time soon when reading.

Can I change the order for new cards so that it makes more sense?

Learning shit like　茶色　before learning 茶 or learning 曇る before learning　雲 makes no sense imo for example, I mean it's not that bad just weird, but there are other vocabs that are rather difficult like all the business and political terms that seem not so important for beginners.

>>145153083
You're obviously supposed to look up words while reading.

>>145153083
Of course you can't read fluently with 2000 words you idiot. You start reading and then learn vocabulary through reading. That's pretty much how you HAVE to do it.

>>145151138

It seems like you have an add-on that lets you type in your answer, which looks helpful... if that's the case then could someone tell me the name of it?

>>145153083
You're gonna have to reorder the entire deck by hand.
Also, 2000 words is fairly good for starting to read a manga with furigana and mining everything.

So I'm doing RTK, Core2K, and Japanese the Manga Way. Any other resources I should use, or super-beginner friendly reading material?

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>>145153239
It's not an addon it's built in to anki.

>>145153083
I started Tae Kim at 2k as well.
I'm around 5k and I still have to check the dictionary all the time, lots of unseen kanji.

But I'd say I am around a point where I have a good set of vocabulary to understand lots of sentences without help.

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>>145153313

>>145151699
Just thinken about Japanese

>>145153416
Can't tell if that would actually be useful or not

I've been reading 終える as おしえる for ages and I have no idea why

>>145153416

So should I just type in exactly what you have in front template, styling, and back template?

>>145153618
I find it slows me down a bit (in a good way) and keeps me honest. I also found when switching to typing in it helped me a bit with recollection.

I imagine it will vary a fair bit person to person on how helpful they find it if at all.

>>145153313
JtMW is a waste of time.

>>145153685
The highlighted lines are how you make typing work, sorry for not being so clear.

Just change the thing on the back of the card that you want to type in on the front from like {{Meaning}} to {{type:Meaning}} and then on the front add a {{type:Meaning}}.

My styling is actually a lot longer than what you can see in the screenshot and what you can see in the screenshot has nothing to do with typing.

The manual has a more detailed explanation here: http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html#typinganswers

>>145153689

The reason I want to use it is because of RealKana. I enjoyed learning Kana with RealKana and I'm just so used to typing in answers that way.

>>145153722
So what, Genki?

>>145153722
How could anyone possible hate JTMW, it's one of the best

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So when reading visual novels, do you guys save your favorite girl for last, or go through her route first and finish the other ones later? I just got to the main route split in Tonakoi and I don't know which route to do first.

>>145153722
JTMW is just Tae Kim done properly.

>>145153772
Don't listen to him, JTMW is fine, I'd say it's much better than genki, since genki is really more suited for a class environment

>>145153677
I have a feeling stuff like that happens to me without noticing too.

>>145153794
Chances are I'll be bored of the game by the time I finish the other routes so I just go for best girl first. You could end up liking another girl while going through the route which will motivate you to do another route after finishing, and so on.

>>145153794
Favourite girl usually changes as I do the routes anyway.

>>145153958
You slut

What are the scariest kanji on ANKI, DJT?

正 推雑 測 日月 惑感減 here.

>>145153772
Genki is something entirely different, although it also teaches you grammar it's more like these books you have in school for learning other languages, it's not bad but slow.
>>145153780
I don't hate it, it was entertaining and thought me some things, but you know having 2 examples for the topic particle might be enough, but the more complex grammar parts weren't really covered as good as they should've been.

>>145153952
Maybe you should try not reading games so shit you get bored of them that quickly.

>>145153981
>Jouyou kanji are scary

Oh child...

>>145154014
Teach me some non-shit games senpai

What is the difference between たべますand 食べています?

>>145154005
> complex grammar parts

Like what? It teaches you enough to begin reading.which is all a grammar guide should do. You hammer out the nuances afterward with native content.

>>145154119
Eat
Eating

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>having fun reading VN
>new Anki day rolls in with 80 new words and 600 reviews
FUCK. Time to grind again.

>>145154005
That's kind of the point of using JTMW. Like Tae Kim it's designed to give you a quick overview of the basic grammar so you can jump in to reading. It's not really supposed to be comprehensive.

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>>145153952
Best girl it is, then.

So if you do the RTK method, are you supposed to just ignore learning vocab for 6 months and focus on grammar and kanji instead or are you supposed to do all three along side each other?

>>145154152
Let us know when you burn out.

>>145154152
アンキは死ねばいいねぇ

>>145154141
Thanks.

>>145154152
Stopping reading in order to do your anki reps is like stopping a marathon so you can go to a gym and walk on a threadmill.

>>145154152
This is me every day before going to bed.
BUT NOT TODAY! Just finished my reps, will enjoy my couple hours of freedom.

>>145154195
>どこを見てるんですか
テキストボックスに決まっているだろ

What can I do to speed up my reading?

>>145154285
I like it

>>145154383
You know the answer to this.

>>145154204
If you're not going to do any vocab at all surely you can aim to finish it in three months.

>>145154383
ReAd MoRe

>>145154204
Depends on how much time and motivation you have

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こくない　= domestic
こくさい　= international
Everything is right with the world.

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How do I fix this terrible-tier font?

Do you think the nips struggle as hard as us when learning English?

>>145154687

I hope they struggle more and then cry themselves to sleep at nigh because they can (not) learn Eigo

>>145154611
input#typeans {
font-size: 26pt !important;
font-family: Noto Sans;
}

code#typeans {
font-size: 26pt;
font-family: Noto Sans;
}

.typeGood, .typeBad, .typeMissed { background: inherit; }
.typeBad {
color: #aa0000;
background: #eeeeee;
}
.typeMissed {
color: #888888;
font-style: italic;
}


Is what I'm using: >>145151138
You might have to adjust the colours a bit for it to work on a black background.

>>145154687
Probably, based on just pronunciation alone it seems like a bitch

>>145154578
こくないそーせーさんってなんですか、おにいちゃん

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>>145154736

Thanks man. Only one problem, though...

Not sure why this is happening.

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>>145154741
Which makes me think...

Why don't we have Vocaroo conversations around here? I would like to listen to people trying to speak nipponese to get a real sense of the "advanced" guys.

I'm don't enough grammar to speak, but if anyone wants me to give the starting push, just paste some text and I'll try and read it.

>>145154948
Did you replace everything in style? Because you were just supposed to add what I posted and keep the rest the same.

>>145153780
>>145153805
the overuse of romaji makes it shit

>>145154977

Damn. Any way to undo that?

>>145154979
Romaji is only a problem when people use it as an excuse to not learn kana

If someone's making an active effort to learn kana, or has already learnt kana, then reading something in romaji literally makes zero difference

>>145155021
no, delete the deck

>>145155107

Alright. I will do that in the next life when I return from Targetmaster

>>145155021
Make a new anki profile, import the original core deck, copy the style, paste it in to the style of your deck in the original profile.

Or get someone else here to post the normal style.

Any good easy to read 3DS games? I've been playing the Taikos, easy enough to read, is Yokai Busters good?

>>145155573
I haven't played it myself but I imagine Pokemon is fairly easy to read.

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>>145155231

Alright, this is how it's looking after fumbling around for a few minutes. It works. Can't say it's perfect but I will deal with it, unless there's something fundamentally wrong with it.

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>been up for 8 hours
>still haven't started my reps

>>145155573
I would imagine the dragon quest games are easy enough, haven't tried it yet but that's why I started learning japanese in the first place.

>>145154956
Most people in these threads don't practice production much, especially spoken

>>145155623
As long as it works for you anon, that's all that really matters.

I'm having a pretty hard time remembering the pronunciation of super basic shit like 荷物、　住所、名字　in my vocab deck.

Can I just learn the English meaning and get it over with? I just want to learn this shitty language to read porn.

>>145155788
No, you gotta remember the pronunciation.

Don't worry, these three are cards I have failed after matured, because they are so simple it's complicated to remember alternative uses of the kanji.

The middle one is pretty easy once you are introduced to more vocab using those kanji.

>>145154956
I don't really do voice conversations just because I don't live alone and I'd be self conscious about it, but if I did I would do it with japanese people

>>145153794
I only read the routes of girls I like when it comes to moege, other girls can go fuck themselves.

>>145155788
Set your leach threshold a bit lower while doing Core, and when stuff becomes a leach just ignore it until you're better at the language overall.

You should be learning pronunciations, but it's not like you have to learn the exact Core2k words right away.

>>145155788
took me 5 months to remember 荷物 pronunciation, seeing it in context while reading shit helped.

Should I attempt both recognition and reproduction with Core2k? With recognition only I could definitely go a lot faster; right now I'm aiming for both and even 20 cards per day is hard.

>>145156215
I do both for my mining deck since I found that it helps me a lot, but that's probably not true for everyone. Raising the interval modifier is useful in that case, since technically you're going to review each word twice.

>>145156215
By reproduction you mean?

>>145156343

passing down the legacy
baby making
mommy fertilizing
knocking her up

>>145156343
The pronunciation.

>>145156392
What the fuck, are you checking yourself only for the meanings? Of course you have to learn the pronunciation.

>>145156392
You definitely should not disregard it, then.
If you learn a kanji's reading, it helps a lot when you hear that word being said outside of ANKI or when you find new combinations and try to put sounds together.

For instance, I knew the sound "shiai" was match from hearing it in anime, but I didn't know the word written in kanji yet.
Yet I knew the words 試験 and 合う from previews reviews and that made me realize the meaning of the word without seeing the answer when it first showed up on ANKI.

>>145156430
RTK puts that off for later, just sayin.

>>145156620
RTK is kanji, not vocab you moron.

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>>145156620
I'm so sorry.

>>145156559
>>145153981
What exactly do you believe that ANKI stands for?

What is the difference between 成人 and 大人?

>>145156981
Applied Neurology for Kanji Internalization, why?

>Trying to learn 500000000000 kanji through vocab
>Fucking impossible
>Japanese people don't even remember kanji

how the FUCK do they even read their language?

>>145157348
They learned the kanji through school and now are able to recognize them, whether or not they can reproduce them by memory.

>>145157065
成人. adolescence
大人. an adult

>>145157065
>>145157467
青年 and 成年 are the real dickery.

>>145157467
>>145157538
Everything I've checked indicated 成人 means "adult" too though.

>>145157405
This pretty much.

I'm not great at spelling aloud but if I see the word later on I can say it understand what it means.

Same with them I'm sure.

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>>145154956
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Nr0bzajqhp

Here, some enka improvisation.

>>145157850
凄くて美しいぞ！

>>145157348
They guess them based on okurigana, nobody can actually read it.

>>145154204
More or less, except you can't do much grammar without vocab so you're basically fucked. RTK basically requires you to not learn any Japanese for several months, it's utterly deranged.

>>145144487
Active Raid is okay, but there are better shows too

>>145158027
>utterly deranged
deranged as in difficult or not feasible? RTK appeals to me as I have a full time job and I want to focus on learning one thing at the start and not have to juggle learning priorities.

In a flashcard example for くれる:
友達が誕生日たんじょうびプレゼントをくれた。
was translated as :
My friend gave me a birthday present.
Would a direct translation be- I was given a present by my friend?

>>145158116
I was using maybe a bit of hyperbole there. Jumping into it with both feet is a bit mad, even if you don't have anything to lose the benefit of running the whole course is probably not worth it. However, if you do it or something like it intensively for a couple of weeks you will get a lot of radicals or pseudo-radicals which will help you understand what the fuck you are looking at when you move on to vocab.

Does anyone else get nostalgic when they see old cards? Like, whenever I see something like 短い I remember the good old days when I couldn't memorize that card for the life of me. Simpler times.

>>145158434
Not really, sometimes I will miss simple kanji like 感 because back in the day they felt REALLY complicated, and when I see them nowadays it looks pretty light on stroke count, making my brain believe it's a new, simple kanji.

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>>145158434
>I couldn't memorize that card for the life of me
短い
低い

every fucken time god dammit. but since i read yours properly i think im over it

>>145158434
It's been 1.5 years now but every time I see 短い I still go "oh fuck is it ひくい or みじかい".
I read it wrong again just now.

Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course vs RTK?

>>145159219
Anime

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>>145159219
Neither

I apologize if this is an obvious question, and if I'm sure it is, but nonetheless - does ひ always sound like a combination of "she" and "he," and does は always sound like "wa"?

>>145159743
>does は always sound like "wa"?
はい

>>145159818

So in what cases does it sound like "wa"?

That's what's confusing me

>>145159887
When it's used as a particle.

あたくしはうんこ部の班長です。よろしくお願いします。

>>145159743
You can say the H like in English "he", but that's a bid odd. Remember that "ふ" is FU and lots of old people pronounce it HU, so think about a blend between the two when making the H sound.

>>145159914

LONDON

>>145159743
does ひ always sound like a combination of "she" and "he,
Not always, but very often yes.

>>145160139
倫敦
敦

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you fellas better watch out, im on to the big boy words now

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>>145148326

Holy shit natto looks 気持ち悪い as fuck dude.

>>145160457
It also smells like that.

>>145160457
And so does it taste

>>145160263
Eh... you have probably already studied 目覚まし時計, though.

>>145159495
I have never meddled with mining, but what happens if you forget a kanji and mine it several times? What about seeing a kanji and thinking you already know that word, but it actually has another reading because it's a different context or different verb/conjugation?

What if you think 結合 was already mined and don't botter, only to find out it was actually 合格?

>>145160591
>but what happens if you forget a kanji and mine it several times?
Anki won't let you
>What about seeing a kanji and thinking you already know that word, but it actually has another reading because it's a different context or different verb/conjugation?
>What if you think 結合 was already mined and don't botter, only to find out it was actually 合格?
Not being retarded helps in my case.

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>>145160457
ぜーんぶ食べてね！せっかく作った

>>145160591
>I have never meddled with mining, but what happens if you forget a kanji and mine it several times? What about seeing a kanji and thinking you already know that word, but it actually has another reading because it's a different context or different verb/conjugation?
>What if you think 結合 was already mined and don't botter, only to find out it was actually 合格?
Holy fuck use your brain retard
I feel like here are more newfags lately. Is the summer from /b/ coming over?

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>>145160927
>>145160694

No bully

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>>145160694
>>145160927
>I have never, ever, ever once mistaken a kanji!
Woah, maybe I should just drop out.

>>145160591
>another reading because it's a different conjugation?
I know you're scared of kanji but even Japanese aren't sadistic enough to make kanji change readings depending on conjugation.

日本語writtingの上達には、どうすればいいでしょうか　さっぱりわからないので、皆さんは普段 文を書くの練習をするのか？
それとも、ここにいるみんなもlistening+readingだけの達人なのか

>>145161044
What does that have to do with everything.

It doesnt' matter if you mistake it once. You'll just mine it the next time you see it.

Although 99.9999% of the time, mistaking a kanji will lead you to not understanding the sentence and therefore eventually discovering that you misread a kanji.

Will we live to see an age of perfect or near-perfect machine translation?

>>145161044
I've mistaken plenty of kanji, not being retarded helps realizing that you're mistaken and need to look shit up.
Especially when reading, even if we suppose that someone is blind enough to somehow misread 合格 as 結合 if it happens in an actual sentence there's no way you wouldn't notice.

>>145161296

Why would you want that? That would make it easier for plebs and nignogs to invade the wombs of pure jap qts

>>145161100
writingっていうのは手書きのことか
まずはパソコンで正しい文を出来るようになる
手書きはそれからだ

いくら薔薇とか魑魅魍魎とか書いて日本人に自慢しても正しい文が書けなければ意味ないしね

>>145161296
>Will we live to see an age of perfect or near-perfect machine translation?
Literally not even possible. Maybe it will get to the point where it can almost always get the literal meaning across with sufficient context, but machine translation can't surpass the inherent limitations of translation. Puns and assumed cultural knowledge will remain out of reach.

Is Namasensei kill?

>>145161506
It would require the computational power of the singularity probably. Let's kill this strand of discussion though.

>>145161585
He plays video games drunk and then uploads them to youtube now.

>>145161629
>It would require the computational power of the singularity probably.
No, it literally isn't possible.

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>>145153083
>He believed the meme

Anon, you should have spent that time reading instead of learning a bunch of random words.

>>145161772
Do you believe AI advanced enough to be capable of speech is impossible?

>>145162018
Did you read this post >>145161506?
Perfect machine translation is impossible because perfect translation is impossible. You can't translate something like 月が綺麗ですね without assloads of translator's notes. Being as good as a skilled human isn't good enough because humans can't do it either.

did i fuck this up?

インターネットがなければ、　私は生きていけない

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>>145161458
Sorry for the ambiguity, so no toori, I can't write (produce) sentence as I wish in jap.

So far I've read quite a lot and able to understand jap wiki page at around 90 percent. But still when I'm trying to come out with a sentence in nip, all the conjugations seems to ran away from me.

Does anon here practice writing at all ? How is it done ?

>>145162108
I do some lang8, but mostly I think you just need to read (and even better, listen) to nips talking in the way you want to be able to write.

I also am constantly talking to myself in Japanese when I am driving and such

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>>145161296
You would literally need an advanced AI to give you a perfect "machine" translation of Japanese, and by the time that comes out you'll have android waifus so Chinese cartoon porn will be irrelevant.

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when will i learn japanese

>>145162092
I would write it as 私わインターねとを必要するに生きます

just kidding yours is fine

>>145162245
青葉の大人版か

>>145162344
Ironically she's probably shorter than Aoba, although she's an old hag in android years.

Quick question - how fast did you guys get through Core 6k and how many new vocab each day?

Sorry for poor english

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>>145162089
You are all assuming translation needs to be verbal.

In the future people will communicate through brainwaves, so you transfer abstract thoughts with the intention of what you want to say and those are decoded as identical stimuli on the listener.

>>145162203
i've tried shitposting in /int/jpgeneral/.

Anyway, whenever I came up with a sentence construction in my mind (in my first language) that i'm not familiar with in Jap, i'm fucked up because lack of decent jap material in my language

>>145162648
Why are you coming up with sentence constructions in another language first? You should be going straight to japanese

Around ~4k words into core 6k, words usually written in kana are left in their kanji form in the example sentences. It doesn't hurt to know the kanji, of course, but it's worth keeping in mind to check Jisho, so you don't think some common vocab is actually a grammar.. thing.. instead.

>>145162436
6,000 cards total divided by 20 cards a day = 300 days.

Assume a year because there will be days you give up or miss. Start reading about 2,500 words in, and you'll only need to look up every 5th word to add to a mining deck. Anything before that, and you'll waste more time through unfocused learning.

>>145162436
I'm not done at all but I'm currently doing 23 new ones a day from what I've been told its average but you can push to like 50 maximum if you have the time.

if you did 23 a day every day for 3 months you'd be done with 2k words.

I handle 23 fine but it will take me solid hour and a half to get all of it done including my backlog ones but once I get a better grasp on my old ones I'll probably increase the count.

Set it as high as you want and lower it if its to much its not that big of a deal.

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>>145148213
While I was saving the image I realized I am at exactly 2000 kanji. That is with Core5k and about 2200 mined words.

>>145162912
>>145162947

Thanks guys.

>Do mining deck
>see new card
>can read kanji and get the meaning right
>reschedule card to 0 days so it doesn't count as a new card
Anyone else is doing this?

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I have written a Japanese song that is all gibberish, to pay back for all the Engrish I have suffered through these years.

Should I transcribe the lyrics as ateji? Or would that be too easy? Would kana end up being more confusing?
Perhaps throwing in some homophone regular words in there?

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>>145152570
Wanna race

>>145163379
No, sounds like a major pain in the ass.

>>145163508
Just use 旧字体 wherever you can and katakana instead of hiragana.

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>>145163508
だいじょうぶ

きっとおにいちゃんはできるよ

>>145163787
Anon, I want to confuse nips, not myself.

Anyone know of any decent nip letsplayers?

>>145163843
You know it's imouto when...

>>145164330
When the reply has fuck all to do with the post it's replying to.

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>>145148213
Feels pretty good considering I'm about only 5 months into this.

>口実 means excuse
>口実 = literally "truth from mouth"
I fucking love kanji.

>>145164158
civila

>>145164735
>literally
You could also read it as "mouth clitoris" if you wanted to.

>>145164735
If it literally translates to that, where does the "from" come from? I can't seem to find it.

which discord are you guys on? I'm n2 looking for speaking partners.

>>145164735
the cringe

>>145165159
アニメを充分観ていれば流暢に話せるようになるからわざわざスピーキングの練習しなくてもいいよ

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>rate muh 手書

Does anyone know the reasoning behind 皮肉?

>※店頭にて既に品切れの場合がございます。予めご了承ください。
Please tell me I'm reading this wrong, it's not sold out right?

>>145165563
I didn't but I just learned it after 2 seconds in google.

Also I learned the actual nuance of it which is quite different than just "sarcasm"

>>145164735
>口実
>truth from mouth

http://gogen-allguide.com/ko/koujitsu.html

learn more chink's historical context before you speak

>>145165159
fuck off

>>145165611
>場合がございます
そうである場合があってそうでない場合もある
その文からはなんともいえないね

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実ってtruthてきないみはほとんどないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>145165710
>実ってtruthてきないみ
what did he mean by this

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っとさん、どこ触ってる？

>>145165710
その子達のエロ画像ください

>もしあたし本当に浮気やってしまったら、二度と御免だと泣きが入るだろう。

Anyone know what that 二度と御免だと泣きが入る bit is meant to mean? I don't have a clue as to what it's implying. Maybe it's some idiom?

>>145165710
i almost understood this

>>145165913
>実ってtruthてきな意味
i guess

>>145165942
ロリコンの皆は下水な存在。

>>145166052
>二度と御免
こんな事絶対二度としたくない／させたくない

>>145166204
>下水な
wot
thats not a na-adjective, is that still valid

>>145166364
「ゲス」のミスなんじゃないかな

>>145166396
ah i see that now

>>145165528
Looks like lyrics to a typical vocaloid song.

日本語王に、俺はなる！

「……ほらそこ！　指先、つま先をしっかり伸ばして！　演技が小さく見えるわよ！」

...Hey you! Stretch your hands to your toes as much as you can! Your performance must look (smaller?)

The context is a coach coaching a girl to stretch more in a gymnastics class. By 演技が小さく見えるわよ I'm guessing they mean that they want their form/performance to look smaller/tighter? Or that they're saying their form looks weak? I'm unsure.

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>>145166666
>66666

well there goes the thread

what is wrong with discord? it's there only place where I can consistantly talk to native Japanese speakers. Or it is a meme to hate that as well?

>>145166703
>Or that they're saying their form looks weak? I'm unsure.
I read it this way. Like "hey you! do this shit properly -- it doesn't look like you're putting any effort into it"
...but I don't know anything

>>145166959
Go shill your botnet somewhere else

Why do kanji have separate readings just for names? Why not just use the ones used in words?

>>145166526

title is literally on the top

>>145167678
tradition!

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>>145157155

Underrated post. Very clever.

>>145167678
Japanese people all want their children to have special snowflake names.

I just realized that I've finished core2k. People keep saying that core past 2k is not so useful, so would it be a good idea to drop it (i.e. set it to 0 new words per day) at this point, and focus on reading instead?
Currently I do 15 core words and 15 mined words a day, and that'd become 0 and 30 instead, respectively.

>>145165563
one buddhist guru in China said to his four disciple

>[You get the skin of my teachings] you don't get me

>[You get the meat of my teachings]you don't get me

>[You get the bone of my teachings]you get me

>[You get the marrow of my teachings]you get me

From here on, the chink took the term 皮肉[skin and meat] as something being superficial. (They also use 皮毛[skin and hair] sometimes).

Being the autist as usual, the nip took the sarcastic criticism subtext, and associate 皮肉 with it.

>>145168790
damm the chinese must really sneer at nips most of the time

>>145168636
I always thought that the majority of Japs valued being the same as everyone else/not standing out. Group > Individual

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>>145168790
What sarcastic criticism?