So this is a meme right

No it's an anime

>>144689556
More like animeme

But how dank is it? This is important.

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>show becomes popular
>/a/ starts hating it

Every time.

>>144690422
it doesn`t matter if its good or bad either

>>144690422
No it's more like
>show is overrated
>some people on /a/ point that out while others blindly defend it

It happened with Erased too. That was mediocre shit, we all see that now. It was be the same with this.

Every time.

>>144690512
Erased was a flop in Japan.

>>144690422
pretty sure people were shitting on this since the beginning, its just now picking up steam since its apparently getting more popular. i remember when spring started people were saying its just the next in a long string of seasonal isekai shows, but now it seems like people have come around to liking it or the influx of summerfags with shit taste has made it more noticeable on the board. shit is everywhere right now

>>144690512
>Overrated

Every Show that is good/popular is overrated on /a/. Sometimes even the Bad ones if there are a constantly a few threads up.

>>144690512
You're missing the part where people pretend to be obnoxious fanboys on purpose to get more people to hate it.

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A bit, yeah. I mean it's not bad, but I think it's gotten a little inflated just because the season is so empty.

>>144689513
Average tier show with above average waifus
Nothing to see here

>>144690776
But whenever I point out its flaws, I'm met with paragraphs and paragraphs explaining why I'm wrong and why it's the greatest show ever, complex in psychological themes that matches Eva.

That's an awful lot of trying for trying to bait.

I mean sure there are those who start threads with this anime is 10/10 or this anime is aotc but the thread gets derailed by people viciously defending a rather mediocre show with very obvious flaws in characterization and writing.

>>144689513
>Faggot kid trying to be cool
Kid this is a masterpiece and you have shit taste. I hate summer. Those fucking kids.

>>144690890
Well the bait is the OPs mostly, since that's attention grabbing. There are also a lot of legitimate retard fanboys in the threads themselves.
The people starting the bait threads get lots of jibbilies from people actually agreeing with their unrealistic praise.

I like it. It's my AOTY so far

>>144690890
>complex to match Eva
Christ are people saying this? Evas one of those series you watch a few times and every time you notice something new or subtle to expand on the story

Re:Zero is standard anime fantasy with a resurrection gimmick that is frankly dragging the stale ass plot on longer than needed. If this pointless cycle of death keeps happening people are going to catch on to the fact that 99% is wasted filler that adds nothing to the plot/universe

>>144690512
It's overrated, but it doesn't mean it's bad.
You and the rest of /a/ would be praising this show if it didn't go mainstream and become popular.

Proves this site is full of hipsters

>>144691053
>Christ are people saying this?
Yes. That's the problem! Sometimes it's so serious I can't tell if it is trolling or not. And given the amount of energy and effort they put in their posts I'm inclined to think the latter (at least for some individuals).

This is on the same kind of level as SAO.

Its funny seeing /a/ defending Re:Zero while shitting on SAO.

Both are the same stupid shit.

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>>144691053
>that is frankly dragging the stale ass plot on longer than needed.
B-But SUFFERING!!!1

>>144691215
Re:Zero > SAO

>>144690422
Its the most popular and best airing show right now

So its expected

It uses cg so yes

>>144691103
No anon. I genuinely wouldn't praise this show. There have been plenty of titles that were and still are more popular and famous than this show- titles that I praise. This isn't one of them

When a show sacrifices a potentially complex narrative in favor of generic tropes, pandering, and bland writing then it's not a good show.

And that's what Re:Zero has done.

>>144691309
Whatever just pointing out the hypocrisy in you. You RE:Zero fags are on the same level of cancer as SAO fags.

>>144691309
Moderately, both series were carried on the back of their respective waifus. ReZero just has more

>>144691103
Proves you're part of the millennial generation where something is either absolute shit or AotY

How about it's a decent show, with a somewhat interesting plotline and nice characters that I'll still watch for Rem (inb4 who?) but its nothing earth shattering and definitely not on my top 10 or even top 20 list

I want plotfags to leave /a/ forever. Good shows like Amanchu or Regalia barely get any attention because everybody is focused on MUH SUFFERING of this shittuy show.

>>144689513
it is designated shitposting anime of the year

>>144691215
Re:Zero doesn't have cousins wanting to fuck MC-kun or cartoonish rapists being defeated by a dead guy's ghost.

Its better than SAO.

>>144689513
It is, you dip.

>>144693500
no instead it has a lead with a single digit IQ and a supporting cast with the character depth of a paper towel.

>>144691549
>Proves you're part of the millennial generation

I never fucking got this argument being used here on 4Chan of all places

This site's average user age is around mid-twenties

"Millennials" according to most demographers are anyone born between 1981 and 2000.

Unless they are in their 40s and somehow posting on 4Chan FUCKING EVERYONE here is a millennial

>>144693693
SAO's characters aren't that deep outside a fat bottomed sniper and she's just as simple as everyone else is Kirito's harem after her arc ended

>>144693835
Fucking millenials

There needs to be a new term for the super-millenials, people born after, say, 95.

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>>144693872
Well I'm certainly glad we've established that both of the supporting casts have the depth of a kiddie pool.

>>144689513
Re:Zero is your standard LN garbage. The writing is horrendous but plebs love it anyway and I'll give you the three main reasons why.

It's full of pain and suffering which can be undone for bonus pleb points. See Clannad AS for proof.
The plot is random and has no logical continuity, which makes it unpredictable and by extention incredibly exciting and mind-blowing if you have shit taste. See Mirrai Nikki and Code Geass for proof.
And finally it's got waifus. See any anime for proof.

Bottom line rezero is recycling the decades old formula that makes all tasteless plebs cream their pants: gore and suffering + random and shocking plot + waifus you want to care for + a gimmick = unrivalled masterpiece. Elfen lied brought it to TV more than a decade ago and shit-eaters are still happily eating the same shit. One would think that no matter how much you like something you would eventually get tiered of it if you had to consume it constantly. But I guess you can always count on anime fans to prove your wishful thinking wrong.

Yes, it's a typical shounen with ass-pulls left right and center which is aimed to appeal to edgy millennials who think it's intelligent.

>>144694108
roricon pls leave

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>>144690422
>show becomes popular
>everyone starts hating it
FTFY

While I like the fun show and enjoy it, it's hardly any different from SAO yet people praise this as a fucking masterpiece.

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>>144691215
This IS SAO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC1opsnJKQM

http://myanimelist.net/character/141521/Betelgeuse_Roman%C3%A9e-Conti

You truly are slothful.

>>144694108
Well said. Re:zero is just misery porn with waifus.

>>144694303
I think the hate this show is getting is backlash due to, as you put it:
> people praise this as a fucking masterpiece.

Its the kind of thing teenagers and low level weebs like a lots.

Is it decent? Yeah sure but a fucking masterpiece? Now thats baiting.

>>144694456
I should have put that into better words but that's pretty much it.

>>144690512
Overrated = People like something more than I think they should because I personally don't like it

Probably the most retarded memeword in existence

>>144694108
Your post sure is long winded and awfully detailed with prior knowledge about a show you supposedly dislike. Something's amiss anon.

You're like the morbidly obese neckbeard at the buffet who keeps complaining about the food, yet keeps stuffing his face with said food at the same time.

Why mods aren't deleting bait threads?

>>144694771
No, anon. That's never how you should handle things. What are bait threads? When is a thread bait? At what point is something just a controversial opinion and at what point is it baiting? It's based on intent and that's very difficult to know if you aren't the original poster. If they delete things based on what they think is bait, all that does is support the status quo.

Regardless, often times bait threads are the best because they get derailed anyway and sometimes there's meaningful discussion out of it, despite the intense arguing.

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>>144694691
It's awfully detailed with prior knowledge because, as anon stated, he's seen the shit pulled by Re:Zero before in other LN trash.
>food analogy

It's a decent show, but nowhere near a masterpiece level like the plebs claim it to be. But it can't be helped, anything with deaths, time travel and pretty girls is at least a 8/10 for the average casual watcher.

>>144694630
Overrated = People holing a show in very high regards without being able to reasonably justify what sets it above other shows.

I'd say that definition fits rezero perfectly.

>>144694691
Even if what you said about me is true, it doesn't make rezero any less trashy

It's a top tier entertainment show, /a/ shits on because normies call it deep and meaningful. Just like with SnK, OPM, and every other popular anime ever.
Seriously just don't go to places like reddit or kotaku, and learn to distinguish whenever you watch something for it's artistic value or just purely entertainment.

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>>144695157
>Overrated = People holing a show in very high regards without being able to reasonably justify what sets it above other shows.

But I can, and I'm pretty sure everyone here who likes the show also can

But since you used the word "reasonably justify" that will just result in the typical

>implying your opinion is valid

shitposting

>>144695459
problem is those normies are on /a/

>>144695535
>But I can, and I'm pretty sure everyone here who likes the show also can
then do it

>>144689513
It's the best anime to come out in the last decade.

>>144694986
How is thread starting with "So this is a meme right" not a bait that should be deleted and OP banned?

>>144695556
They are, but shitposters aren't any better. Seriously you can't discuss a popular show until a few months later after everyone forgets about it.

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>>144695652
sure, let me just copy my post from a previous thread

Just finished watching the 17 episodes in 2 days

I've enjoyed it very much. The direction and animation quality is top-notch, and the voice actors do a brilliant job, especially for Subaru. The plot started out as generic, but it got much better as it escalated. It's not an absolutely intellectual, revolutionary, mindblowing masterpiece, but it's a pretty fucking solid anime that has a good production quality behind it.

My main gripes would be

1) The CGI background mob in the cities and in a few scenes look really bad. Even a still image would be better.

2) There are a few moments where the transition between scenes is too abrubt. A good example would be when before Rem died from the curse.


The main reason why people give shit on the show as far as I can see (apart from the "hurr normies like it so it must be bad" shitposting) is because the MC

From what I understand from the plot, Subaru is supposed to be Pride. And that is pretty much a perfect summary of him. He starts off as a guy who we can relate to, but as more and more fucked up shit happens to him, the more he succumbs into an egoistical nature, and the story ackowledges this. The whole reason why he is in this situation currently is because he couldn't fucking sit down and shut up, but instead went to the palace to make a fucking scene. He became an egoistic idiot, but that is the role he currently plays. Saying stuff like "the MC is annoying/retarded" is completely natural, because it is actually true. But don't think for a second that Subaru should be a perfect copy of YOU. Yes, you would have maybe done more logical decisions in his place, but Subaru is not you, and you are not the MC.

>>144695556
>>144695459
>normies

You guys are the fucking normalfags. Seriously its hillarious seeing normalfags calling other people normies.

Fucking retards.

>>144695864
Even if we agree that everything you said about the show holds true, nothing in your defence suggests that rezero is anything more than an above average seasonal anime. Which would indeed make it overrated.

>>144696168
Define normalfag.

>>144695864
>Saying stuff like "the MC is annoying/retarded" is completely natural, because it is actually true. But don't think for a second that Subaru should be a perfect copy of YOU. Yes, you would have maybe done more logical decisions in his place, but Subaru is not you, and you are not the MC.

this so much. It's also important to remember that this guy's decisions become more and more retarded for a reason, he is frustrated and clearly losing sanity, after all the stress and suffering he was exposed to.

>>144696395
(You), also normie is fucking stupid. It's like you're ashamed of using the -fag suffix.

>>144695864
Subaru's character is only one gripe I have with the show. And even that has more to do with how the themes of his character were executed. He doesn't seem complex and is very one dimensional, defined by a set of flaws. He feels like some cartoony villain that would never serve as an MC. But supposedly he's supposed to develop. Development is important for the main character. However we see a lack of inner turmoil. There's not that multilayered personality that you would expect from someone who has flaws but is trying to improve. All his struggles have been the external world and how this world is filled with powerful sadistic monsters. That falls short of any meaningful character development.

There's also a lack of an organic plot. Things happen for the sake of them happening. There's no foreshadowing or build up.

Other characters are even more one-dimensional than Subaru. The candidates especially are defined by these exaggerated and unrealistic traits and flaws that come of as immature and fails to suspend my disbelief. After all, what kind of sane person would even consider these candidates to rule the kingdom. They're outright shitty people and its blatantly obvious to the supposed wise old men.

The show is filled with plot conveniences that the MC doesn't even overcome. Emilia had to be the one to accidentally eliminate Rem's suspicious nature towards Subaru by saying "he's a nice guy." Reinhardt conveniently appears and disappears because the plot demands it. That's lazy writing. Instead you could have shown how the cultists planned to attack when powerful people left or even imply that such as having an infiltrator observe the state of the kingdom (I don't know). Reinhardt's departure can easily serve as a foreshadowing that bigger threats are to come. This is how you make a good story.

Instead this is random events, fanservice, waifus, pandering, and misery porn.

It isn't good.

>>144696700
No. Just fucking define normie already so I can dismantle your pitiful argument, retard.

>>144696363
the animation and direction quality is above avarage
the voice acting is above avarage
the originality of the plot is above avarage
the soundtrack and the timing for the musical tracks is above avarage

There are weak points of it, sure. But in general the show is well above avarage

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>>144696700
>parroting shit said in a meta thread
pathetic

>>144696967
I agree, something like Konosuba is your average show, Re:Zero is a solid 7/10

>>144696940
Let me guess you think you're not a ''normies'' because you watch anime?

>>144697464
Dude you're dodging the question.

>>144697432
Yeah no. Re Zero is a 6/10 at best. Konosuba is way better. Aqua and Kazuma are way more endearing and we'll done than any of the characters from Re Zero.

>>144697588
Im not even the same guy.

>>144697605
What is a 10/10 show for you

>>144697605
>comparing shows from 2 different genres

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>>144689513
I put up with it for 10 minutes. When he started trying to use magic I shut it off.

Can't believe this turn out to be the most popular anime of the season when we had Academia and that SnK rip off or whatever its called.

>>144697739
I only compared the characters. One of Re Zero's flaws is that most of its characters are not every good.

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>>144696967
>the originality of the plot is above avarage

Thanks for the laugh anon. Anyway the premise tells absolutely nothing about the quality of a show. It's the execution that makes all the difference. And in the case of rezero, the supposedly very well handled superficial aspects of the show can't make up for the complete lack of anything praiseworthy being done with the characters, narrative or the themes.

>>144691306
Suffering is the lesser of two evils.

SAO's masturbatory wank will always be worse than re:zero

>>144697617
Oh then why don't you look at the context of my post.

The guy was making claims about normies while simultaneously contradicting his previous points.

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>>144696894
I don't really think it's fair to judge a character's development in the middle of a show. He didn't even have a chance to develop, because what we saw so far is Subaru's gradual descent to madness. Which, if someone get's torn apart multiple times, and has an egoistical nature set on "winning" while accomplishing this is harder and harder, is completely realistic.

>There's no foreshadowing or build up.
This is completely false. The cursed dog was foreshadowed it you paid attention. The witch cult was foreshadowed when Rem killed Subaru. Etc.

>The candidates especially are defined by these exaggerated and unrealistic traits and flaws that come of as immature and fails to suspend my disbelief.

This is actually one of the few faults of the anime. The VN gave the candidates much more time to present themselves, therefore presenting their non one-dimensional sides more properly. There are also a lot of backstory to them, but that cannot be presented in the anime due to lack of runtime

>The show is filled with plot conveniences that the MC doesn't even overcome.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT. Subaru DIDNT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING. He thinks he saved everyone and everything so far, while he did jack shit. That's why Emilia turned away from him. This is why he was called Pride. He IS Pride, a SIN.

>random events

the fuck does that even mean

>>144694108
Hi Digi o/

>>144697889
By "plot" I didn't mean the whole "guy gets into fantasy world + time rewind" aspect. What I mean by that is how the characters are built up in this setting, and how the MC reacts to the pressure.

>>144698124
The witch cult wasn't foreshadowed. It was just an element in Rem's backstory that we had no reason to believe it would be relevant later or when it would be relevant.

The dog was in the middle of the arc. It made sense. I liked that mystery.

The show feels disjointed: from the 1st arc to the 2nd to the 3rd.

That's what I mean by random events.

>>144698124
Except Subaru did do something. Without him those villager kids would be dead, and without him Emilia gets killed by the Witch Cult like the incompetent skank she is.

>>144698249
>Without him those villager kids would be dead

True, but also false. If you think back, what exactly did he do bestides being a chew toy? He carried out 1 kid, and accompanied Rem. He only killed 1 hound out of ~100. He could have been easily replaced by any random villager. Like the show said multiple times, he is weak and ultimately useless.

>>144697889
>Look how I pretend I know what I'm talking about for the solo purpose of being a contrarian
>You should watch a real master piece like EVA huehuehue

>>144696894
>There's no foreshadowing or build up.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Like the cultist attacks happened because Emilia got in a public setting and they hate elves. Subaru even mentions how well organized they are so they probably have spies around. I just think the story doesn't show everything that is happening in the world, you can only see so much in one live time.
>Other characters are even more one-dimensional than Subaru
I think the point of each girl is that they are suppose to represent something symbolic. maybe they have to be that way to show the symbolism more clearly?

I'm not saying that it's perfect, I just don't think your critic is spot on.

This is the new SAO.

>>144698425
I'm sorry, forgive my typos, I need sleep.

>>144698362
He let them know there was a curse. That's pretty important.

>>144698445
It is

>>144698425
This symbolism doesn't suspend my disbelief. The characters are flawed for the sake of being flawed. It's so simple and shallow. The symbolism of the candidates takes away from the characters.

If anything it was TOO blatantly obvious.

>>144690422
Danganronpa is literally loved by everyone who played the games

>>144697605
You're baiting, aren't you?

>>144698124
There is no VN.

>>144698806
Does anyone really think Emilia and Rem are more memorable than Aqua?

>>144698886
Stop it. Don't embarrass yourself any further.

>>144698535
Yea, that's fair to say.

>>144698932
Very convincing argument.

>>144698886
Rem is. I would personally wager Emilia too because I did read a bit of Arc 4 and I'm a bit of a waifufag.

Aqua is just your standard cliché retarded aloof girl. Are you seriously saying that a comedy show like Konosuba that is from start to finish retarded, has better characters than a show that is at the very least trying to do something?

I mean, what part of Aqua is supposed to be memorable? Her obliviousness? You'll find one in every standard shonen.

I was actually going to list those questions but I just realized that there is nothing else that actually differs Aqua from any other standard girl in your standard isekai story.

>>144696894
>There's no foreshadowing or build up.
The White Whale was clearly foreshadowed when it was mentioned blocking the fast path to the mansion in a different timeline, it's just that Subaru didn't pay much attention to it and took the fast path in another loop BEFORE the Whale appeared and rumors about it spread.

>>144697605
>>144698886
god you have no taste

>>144699024
I was not that anon.

>>144699088
Okay I agree about the White Whale part. In fact when Subaru was talking to the traders, I knew that the white whale would have some relevance.

>>144699164

It's foreshadowed in the first episode

>>144699080
They're all standard characters, but Aqua has the better interactions with characters that give her the edge. She's also way funnier. And of course the comedy show has better characters, it lived and dies by its characters because there's no strong plot to keep you interested. Rem's not particularly interesting, her backstory is fairly cliche. The show keeps having her die to show how devoted she is when just once is enough.

>>144698230

Isn't that a chekovs gun? Aka foreshadowing? seemingly irrelevant plot points becoming relevant later on.

>>144699404
Oh come the fuck on. Running gags that get boring really quick don't make you funny. Comedy lives on running gags and archetypes when it comes to anime. That is exactly what konosuba is. There is absofuckinglutely nothing in Konosuba that would make it better than Re:Zero.

Rem went from someone who wished to kill the MC to someone who loved the MC after seeing him struggle like hell. Sure it wasn't done really well in the anime, but it sure is a fucking lot better than Megumin who just keeps screaming explosion every episode and you're supposed to laugh at this after the 50th fucking time. Nobody ever changes in Konosuba. They are the exact same archetypes they were in episode 1.

>>144698445

It's summer time. How does it feel to "fit" in.

>>144697588
If you have/do one or more of the following you are a normie:
Job
College
Girlfriend or wife (2D waifus excluded obv)
Real life friends
Any kind of social life
Involved in team sports or any activity that requires interacting with real human beans

It's a tough crowd in here, man. If you aren't viewed as a total failure by society you should probably just leave now.

>>144699521

To be fair, in Konosuba characters start progressing slowly. Megumin getting closest followed by Eris/Christ and Darkness.

Still the world is too central, too modular and too disjointed. No sense of a greater world, just disparate settings.

Is saying that this anime is just "good" still too much praise about it for the fucking hipsters arguing back at people that are just sharing their opinions of appreciation or pointing out reasons of why it's not bad? Stop shoving sticks up your ass or fuck off

>>144697739
They're both "faggot NEET gets transported to fantasy world" but one plays with the setting for comedy while the other uses it for shallow shock gore.

All I'll say is that I randomly pick shows every season and this show seems to offer great opportunities to show the MC that he's made poor choices and rub it in his face after he gets too cocky.

Among the friends I've shown it to, no one has said they enjoyed his cockiness. In fact they were genuinely hating the show because "Worst Car" had gone unpunished too long.

The show has literally been about him taking everyone's destiny into his own hands and it's interesting seeing how full of himself he'd gotten. With the recent turns, I'm not able to say I love the direction, but the smackdown by the candidates was lovely, even if he still hasn't learned.

>>144699547
>Job
Nothing wrong with that
>college
Nothing wrong with that
>GF or Wife
Absolute cancer that need to fuck off.
>Real life friends
Depend what kind of friends if they are pure blooded dudebro normalfags you are cancer
>Any kind of social life
Cancer
>Involved in team sports or any activity that requires interacting with real human beans
Cancer

>>144699620

There are legit issues with Re:zero, but it is still by far one of the most ambitious, well executed animes in the last few years.

It is definitely not comparable with the issues that were in SAO.

>>144699521
>Nobody ever changes in Konosuba
That's because people don't really change that much. Moreover, no change or little change is far better than a change from wanting to murder someone to wanting to fuck him within a few episodes.

>>144699604
The last time I checked the fanfic it was still a shitload of running gags of explosions and Darkness slut gags.

It doesn't change. Whatever change there is, is minimal and extremely predictable. Like MC leveling Megumin's explosion, as if nobody ever saw that coming. Or Darkness not actually marrying that fat guy. I wonder who didn't see that.

It's just a clutter of really mediocre average shit. It's so incredibly average that it stands out. It literally ticks every single standard anime comedy shit there is.

>>144699521
Megumin and Darkness are not good characters, for the anime anyway. Aqua might not change and be a character archetype, but her gags keep on being fresh because they depend on the environment and context. For example, the gags in the frog and crocodile cage episodes were different and funny even though both stem from her stupidity.

>>144699547

How bout this.

I have a job (Lawyer-Partner), but have had 0 friends and 0 girlfriends since highschool.

I have watched anime since highschool, I have zero social life. I spend all times at home when I'm not in the office.

I also play on a rec ice hockey team, but do not socialize with my peers.

Do I qualify as a normie? My lifestyle seems quite abnormal.

I also do not drink.

>>144699740

Not saying it isn't predictable, just saying they do develop beyond their one-dimensional initial presentation.

>>144699367
I don't remember this, how was it foreshadowed?

>>144699700
>animes

As expected.

>>144699715
Oh fuck you. The fact that they never, ever change is what makes them incredibly boring archetypes. It's what makes them really boring running gags. After volumes upon volumes of the same damn slut Darkness and explosion Megumin gags it fucking gets really boring. Nothing, ever, happens, that is of importance. You can see things coming from hundreds of miles away and yet you still read it by temporarily turning mentally retarded just to be able to enjoy this piece of mediocrity.
You asked me what part of Aqua was more memorable than Rem originally? Well Rem had a massive, massive change. She was tortured, killed, had her limbs twisted. That is memorable. Megumin is still fucking around casting Explosion, having learned nothing from the last hundred of times she fucked things up because of her ridiculously long running gag.

Just stop trying.

>>144699930

White Whale and harpoons.

Its the door password felt uses

>>144699953

Nice strawman faggot

>>144699954
>Well Rem had a massive, massive change. She was tortured, killed, had her limbs twisted.
well sure I guess being killed is a massive change

>>144700061

To be fair, Rem goes from distrustful with only enough emotional room for Ram, to seeing a reflection of herself in Subaru and identifying with him.

She goes from distrustful, to loyal, to fanatically devoted.

She goes from a flat super-competent maid, to a more nuanced, devoted, still competent, but very vulnerable character.

>>144700061
Well, it is. The point is that I was asked whether Rem was more memorable than shitfaced Aqua, whose archetype I have met millions of times.

>>144700141
how can Rem be more memorable if she's been erased from existence

>>144700176
too soon ;-;

>>144699954
The essential reason why Konosuba's characters are more memorable is because their personalities are more memorable. Rem has essentially no personality and no amount of "development" will ever make her into a better character because she still has no personality and can turn on a dime to the writer's whim without ever seeming inconsistent.
Konosuba's characters are overly dependent on gags, I agree with that, but there's still an actual personality behind all of those characters and that makes them more interesting.

>>144700261
What personality? What personality is there? Trying way too fucking hard at being funny is not personality, and being flanderized the fuck out of only makes things really worse and turns you into an archetype. Aqua's aloofness and obliviousness is her extreme flanderization, and it's her entire personality, are you seriously saying that this is not 1 dimensional? Same with Megumin and Darkness.

I honestly cannot believe you are calling Konosuba or its characters deep.

>>144699700
>still by far one of the most ambitious, well executed animes in the last few years
surely you jest.

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>>144691053
>Evas one of those series you watch a few times and every time you notice something new or subtle to expand on the story

>>144700369

FYI not >>144700261
I love Konosuba, but I agree, most of the characters are rather flat.

I would argue, however, that Megumin has far more depth than Darkness or Aqua (esp. Aqua).

>>144700369
I'm not saying they're deep. They really aren't. I'm saying that they have personalities at all. When one of the characters does a thing I get why they do it because it matches with their established personality. Rem can do anything the plot demands because nothing defines her.

>>144700556
Her love for her sister and Subaru is what defines her. Her lack of any sort of self confidence is what defines her. These are forever more than what "I am stoopid so i dunno wat to do" will ever be.

>SAO
Shit that only used mmo as an excuse to a fantasy setting. Based on a LN. Overrated
>Log Horizon
Decent. MMO anime that was actually about fuckin MMO. Got a bit bad at second season. Based on a LN. Overrated
>Overlord
Mid ground between the last two, still pretty bad and everytime it tried to look like mmo it was pretty shallow. Based on a LN. Overrated

Its all the same shit, every fuckin year i cringe when i see the SAO of the moment MC name on a game im playing. You think you are a hipster or something to watch this but you are not. Its all the same fucking garbage. Get real. I have no idead how someone can seriosuly defend any of these shows as unique or having any decent characterization and not be baiting, actually, i seriously hope everyone is baiting. Too bad most /a/ users are not that bright

>>144699833
Jesus Christ who the fuck cares about an arbitrary title on a chinese cartoons forum, do people really take pride in being a social recluse just for the sake of not being called a "normie" on 4chan?

>>144690422
Probably because Re:Zero is easily one of the dullest anime in the history of
animes.

Perhaps the die was cast when Nagatsuki vetoed the idea of KyoAni producing
the series; he made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art
that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for
his LN. The Re:Zero series might be wish fulfillment (or not), but it’s
certainly the anti-Code Geass series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and
excitement. No one wants to face that fact.

>But at least the LN are ggood though!
The writing is dreadful; the LN was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every
time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character
"stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated.
I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was
incredulous. Nagatsuki's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that
he has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of
Re:Zero by the same Nisio Isin. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these
kids are reading Re:Zero at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on
to read Nisio Isin." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you
read "Re:Zero" you are, in fact, trained to read Nisio Isin

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>>144700176
That's only going to make her more memorable.
>>144700556
Rem's personality is mostly that she's overly emotional and tends to take things to extremes, though she often tries to hide it behind a rather obvious poker face. Her personality didn't change at all, only how she categorized Subaru.

>>144700781
Were you reading Yen Press? They are cancer. The TLs sometimes write fanfiction.

Though being honest the actual LN and WN aren't better themselves. Most LN writing is pretty meh.

>>144689513
it's like a crappier version of Overlord

>>144700667
Being devoted to someone isn't a personality trait.

>>144700805
Great, so she's over emotional but almost never expresses it. Might as well not even mention it then.

>>144698445
(You)

>>144691053
You shouldn't reduce the whole story to his successful runs and treat it like some story of a guy going through An adventure in a new world. Rather the focal point of the whole story is Subaru and how he copes with the curse that his friends only remember a fraction of their interaction and adventures together and thus isolating him. The world and the events exist so his character can make progress, his deaths aren't meaningless loops, because they contribute to the shaping of his personality.
His return by death ability is the perfect tool to create such a character development, removing external development, but retaining the inner development and by saying the story would be better if Subaru were replaced you only prove that you miss the whole purpose of the series.

>>144700921
Someone already mentioned Chekhov's Gun and that is a concept that has been ever prevalent since episode 1. I'd suggest that it'll become a huge point soon, so don't say they're better off not mentioning it until it's deemed a worthless point.

>>144700921
>Great, so she's over emotional but almost never expresses it.
She expresses it all the time.

>>144701016
no the checkpoint gimmick is perfect for stuffing in shock gore that idiots lap up

>>144701094
In what ways?

>>144693835
Generation X, baby. Some of you kids are alright though. People porn in the 80s had entirely different lives than those born in the 90s. You guys really shouldn't be grouped together.

The thing I don't get is that you said that something can be both decent and still overrated and he responds with implications that you think something is either awful or great. I can't track that.

>>144701094
To defend him, it's not always directly toward Subaru. He's more or less ignoring it.

Development: when a character grows from his mistakes, coming to reason with it, and using the wisdom he gains to achieve objective. Develpment is an internal factor, the character is required to make the progress on his own and achieving a better understand of himself, the others or his objectives.

Underdevelopment: when a character is so focused on something that he starts regrading and losing his objectives. Someone who go stale on trivial things or hust wont stop repearing stupid miatakes o er and over, somibody who just try random approach. Someone that lose his sense of purpose or refuse to do something to help the other character leading to their demise while he could have done alternatively

Madness and insanity (things that are not present in the show at hand) are not development

Re:Zerofags BTFO
inb4 pasta, is pasta

>>144694108
The first 12 eps were good as MC tried to use his time resets to learn what was going on and was generally tolerable.

Unfortunately in the current arc the hero has become insufferable. He complains about everything, doesn't plan anything, is worried about dying (despite multiple deaths), and doesn't explain about the Witch's Cult to people who trust him (Emilia, Ram, Rem).

It's amazing how much worse the protagonist has gotten despite having more people he can rely on.

>>144701134
The check point gimmick is a device for character development, literally the whole point of this story.

>>144701475
Because the protagonist is supposed to be retarded and rash, besides he's seen a lot of shit so that's already fucked him up pretty good, but i'm sure by the next couple of episodes he's learned his mistakes.

>>144701262
Sinking into madness and insanity and overcoming it sounds like character development to me fampai.

>>144701139
It's pretty much the main reason she does anything and why she takes everything she does to extremes. This doesn't necessarily make her a good character or anything, but it's directly pointed out that she isn't calm or collected at all. Almost every decision she makes is based on emotion, and she's a ball of deep-seated emotional issues. Being able to barely keep up a poker face doesn't make a character rational.

Rem's character doesn't completely change at any point. There's just a difference between how she acts around people she trusts and people she doesn't.

>>144701475
It was being hinted that he literally couldn't say how he knew things or he'd get rek't, to put it lightly. Now we know others can get rek't. :^)

>>144699475

It would be Chekov's gun if the Witch's cult were attacking this place in order to kill Ram and Rem. However this cult has different motives (they don't care that they killed Rem) the narrative effect is more like a villain from one character's backstory randomly appearing in the plot.

It's ironic that with slightly better writing this could have been a better arc.

>>144699954
>Well Rem had a massive, massive change. She was tortured, killed, had her limbs twisted.

And then the time reset healed her. No time resets for Darkness, Megumin, or Aqua.

>>144702281
Not that being tortured or killed is character development anyways.

>>144702076
It was vaguely mentioned by big tits McGee in the first episode when MC said he'd return the icon to devil-spawn.

>>144702076
But the villain was already connected to the plot through Subaru having the Witch Scent and being suspected of being a Cultist. Rem and Ram's backstory tells us they are an active force in the world, and Emilia's resemblance to the Witch and her use of the name involves herself in the plot. However, the story is primarily told from Subaru's perspective, and he doesn't know shit.

>>144701581
>Because the protagonist is supposed to be retarded and rash

The problem is that this makes him unbearable. In the first few episodes he was funny or at least tried to get along with everyone. Now he just rants and raves, rather than thinking about how best to convince people.

>besides he's seen a lot of shit so that's already fucked him up pretty good

And he knows that if he dies it will all go back to normal. By this point he should be apathetic about death because he knows that he will always have more chances to fix everything.

>but i'm sure by the next couple of episodes he's learned his mistakes.

We can only hope.

>>144702064
He only can't mention 'death by reset'. Everything else is fine.

>>144702763
Like >>144695864 said already, you are not the MC, and Subaru is not your replica. What he should do, how he should feel or what should be like is pointless to talk about, because he is not a perfect copy of you, thus he will not do what you'd do in his place. He is a character with his own flaws

>>144697795
Well, what would you do if you were teleported to a random world, Isekai master? If you want every MC there is to act like you would then don't watch anime.

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>>144696894
>there's no foreshadowing or build up

First fucking episode

>>144700781
KyoAni can't fix bad writing, don't delude yourself.

>>144702807
That's most likely just how they're presenting it. I can't say I had a chance to read the source material in Japanese, though I'd like to when I get a copy, but it appears implied that he can't explain anything regarding having seen shit happen in another timeline. What's he supposed to do, just lie to them? Even then, he never has time to rehearse a reasonable lie to tie with these propositions he makes about doing something.

>>144702648
Rem thinking Subaru was a cultist would have been a good time to explain who the cultists were and what they wanted. Unfortunately the anime keeps omitting any explanations of what is going on. As a result everything seems to happen randomly.

The Witch's Cult in Emilia's story doesn't have much relevance to what happened to Rem and Ram since there's no reference to this. You could replace the people who attacked Rem and Ram with anyone else and this arc would have the exact same plot.

>>144700734

I don't care, it was pointing out the hyperbole and nonsensicalness in the whole normies get out shit posted earlier.

>>144702858
>you are not the MC, and Subaru is not your replica.

Doesn't change the fact that Subaru is annoying. The author could have given him any personality but made him an impulsive idiot so the plot could be dragged out.

>>144702076

They were in the place to kill Emilia's peerage, which includes Ram and Rem.

>>144703128
He has plenty of time to come up with a lie as he usually has days before the disaster.

>>144703143
Except they're connected because it was outright said that they were the same group.

>>144703341
Their primary motive isn't killing Rem and Ram, so they could have been replaced with anyone else and the plot would be the same.

>>144703143
>You could replace the people who attacked Rem and Ram with anyone else and this arc would have the exact same plot.
It introduces us to the Witch Scent and tells us that there's an active group of genocidal Witch worshiping murder cultists out in the world.

>>144703672

Their primary motive is to kill everybody.

They are the witches cult. They have links to Satella. They represent the seven deadly sins and were foreshadowed by Ms. Bowel Hunter and Rem's flashback, plus the countless references to the witches.

You couldn't replace them with any of the candidates groups, because that would besmirch the process. You can't replace them with an angry mob, because the mob would lack the ability to actually kill anyone in Emilia's group.

It needs to be the witches cult.

>>144703672
>they could have been replaced with anyone else
They can't, actually. Their not-yet-revealed motivations for attacking Emilia are explicitly linked to them being witch cult and tie in to the larger storyline.

Critics of Subaru can't recognize that he isn't a hero but in fact an anti hero. He is inherently flawed and is supposed to be unlikable. It's like they've never read Macbeth or something

>>144697795
> be a nerdy guy
> get literally teleported by magic into a medival fantasy world

What the fuck is not rational about trying to perform magic? Hell most of us were autistic enough to perform kamehamehas or jutsus or controlling "ki" at least once, without literal magic happening to us prior to that

>>144703706
And how would the plot have differed if there was an anti-demon cult and a witch cult? If there's no difference then the story is badly written.

>>144690512
When I get bigger,big enough to go somewhere by myself,I want to cuck my friend who's far away. My friend who's been in a coma for 15 years. The friend who saved my life. I want to leave him with nothing but pain and sadness. He will have no adults,children's or classmates, only is mom. I will fuck his friend when I want to fuck his friend. I will cuck him when I want to cuck him and visit him with his friend's baby when I want to. I will then think about the cuck I left behind. Kids go to school like nothing has changed. Adults go to the office like nothing has changed. His mom eats like she used to. When I think about the cuck without me, I can't help but laugh. I want to cuck my friend.
>Erased in a nutshell

>>144703948
>Their primary motive is to kill everybody.

They attacked the demon village to kill the demons. Now they encounter two demons but don't seem to care about them or mention that they killed a bunch of demons. It's like their motives radically changed because the plot needed them to.

>They are the witches cult.
>plus the countless references to the witches.

Witch's cult. There's only one witch, the Jealous Witch.

>You couldn't replace them with any of the candidates groups, because that would besmirch the process.

Actually it would make the plot interesting as you'd have to figure out which candidate was causing problems.

>You can't replace them with an angry mob, because the mob would lack the ability to actually kill anyone in Emilia's group.

It's a world of fantasy, you could create a several super powerful character without breaking the suspension of disbelief.

Also no one in Emilia's group is meant to be super powerful, so the one who attacks them doesn't need to be that strong.

>It needs to be the witches cult.

No it doesn't. Using the Witch's Cult without thinking about why they would be behind everything is an example of poor writing. The Witch's Cult needs a clear goal, rather than just going around randomly killing people.

>>144690422
It's only like two samefags who feel the need to shitpost in every thread because it's better than Berserk and summerfags who want to fit in.

>>144704065
>They can't, actually. Their not-yet-revealed motivations for attacking Emilia are explicitly linked to them being witch cult and tie in to the larger storyline.

Unless they have a reason for attacking the demons they could have been replaced by anyone in Ram and Rem's story.

>>144694108
Good post. I can't believe /a/ is eating this shit up.
It's like NGNL all over again.

>>144704702
>Critics of Subaru can't recognize that he isn't a hero but in fact an anti hero.

An anti-hero is someone who performs heroic deeds but not for heroic reasons, such as greed or fame. Subaru isn't an anti-hero because his motives are to help people.

>It's like they've never read Macbeth or something

Macbeth murders his friends and relatives for power. How is any of this heroic?

Macbeth is a tragic hero, not an anti-hero.

>>144705448
Sure.
They're led to do it by Roswaal.
Roswaal is a Skeleton Key body hopper who is a student of the 400-years dead Witch of Greed, Echidna. He still maintains links to the cult because of this.
He is highly interested in Ram's prodigy genetics and wants to fuck her so that he can bodyhop into her child. His end goal is to become powerful enough to slay the dragon and revive and free Echidna, who is currently sealed, because he loves her.
The way he (and Echidna) bodyhop involves pouring a personality into an empty vessel. This ties into the overarching story, which is placing emphasis on this pattern of characters being vessels, because Emilia is being tested as a potential vessel to unseal and revive Satella, and potential implications for Subaru depending on how hard you want to speculate.

>>144704969
I actually thought the people in black robes were an anti demon group and not a witch cult.

The witch cult just feels like they dropped out of fucking nowhere.
And when they do show up it feels like they just pop in out of fucking nowhere and have nothing to do with anything except give subaru an enemy.

They don't even really expand upon the witches scent or his own return from death thing.
They just say WITCH SMELL BRINGS ALL THE BEASTIES TO THE YARD and he dances around.
Bettle boy is entertraining but he feels like an out of place random element that doesn't do anything except exist to be a bad end for subaru.

>>144706342
They do constantly the scent grows with death and he's seen as blessed by the witch cult for smelling so strongly, the beasts were created by Satella and are know where he is because of the smell. The dogs were trying to kill him which is why they chased him when he increased the scent and the whale will be expanded on toward the end of this season. The witch cult want to bring Satella's resurrection and plan to kill the false idol Emilia. They hired Elsa and the beast shaman and have only come to murder everyone now because their previous attempts didn't work.

>>144705699
That makes no sense. Why does Roswaal want the cult he controls to attack his lands and kill Ram and Emilia? If he controls the cult he should have them help him gain more power, rather than attack him.

>>144707982
Because knew about Subaru in advance and needs him to free Echidna.
He knows Subaru has some kind of power that makes things work out for him, so he's been orchestrating these disasters to confirm that it's true, to test him, and to get a feel for him. He's actually far more concerned about Subaru's presence than Emilia's.

i like this show and i find this very Tarantula by Pendulum

I watched it until the episode where he literally became a knight and wanted to fight for his waifu. Then it just got unbearable.

I enjoyed the first two arcs but I just couldn't bring myself to keep watching.

>>144708727
The despair goes on for another 5 episodes, the argument at the end of that episode was the most painful shit I've seen in recent memory. Yahari, Charlotte and Kiznaiver have nothing on it.

>>144697795
There's a lot of wrong thing in the show but learning magic is the only smart thing he did, you dumbfuck

>>144689513
I'm enjoying this quite a bit. I look forward to it every week.
I don't think we'll be getting any more kino ala Ep15, but the direction is still decent.