Imaishit

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>>144634996
> hard work and overcoming unfathomable odds earns you happiness

No anon

>>144634996
He is a true Gainax believer.

I really don't see the point in killing Senketsu/Nia other than attempting to forcefully evoke sad feelings. You could see Senketsu's death as a Kamen Rider rip off/reference I suppose.
At least Nova's death somewhat fit. I blame Nakashima's terrible writing ability. Both TTGL and KLK were very poorly written.

>>144634996
He's been abandoned by people many times in his life.

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>>144634996
It's not just Imaishit. This stupid shit is fucking everywhere in anime.

They always ALWAYS find some fucking retarded excuse to separate the characters at the end and give a semi-open ending where they "will surely meet again". I hate this shit so much.

>>144634996
killing off a character at the end makes it deep, didn't you know

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>>144635754
Indeed.

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>>144635200
People will defend the shit with Nia too. It was a cheap move to, like you said, force a bitter ending to make it seem deeper than it was. I really liked TTGL when I watched but that ending still pisses me off to this day.

>>144635724
the death is signaling the end of the anime
its that simple
you spent the whole time riding on the river of emotions, and you expected this to end happily?

>>144635200
>>144635859
Nia's death is used to prove that Simon understands the proper use of Spiral Power.

>>144635200
>>144635859
Nia's death is shit because she's mostly HUMAN and the anti-spiral part is only a little switch built inside of her body to mind control her. Destroying the anti-spiral should not have done shit to her, it was a fucking forced bittersweet ending.

one

trick

pony

>>144634996
Newfag here. Haven't watched Gurren Lagann.

What's the best way to watch it? By broadcasts or the two movies?

>>144635724
I hate it
Either the love interest dies, or some other reason to split them up, or the series ends on a very ambiguous ending that teases a conclusion, but doesn't give any closure. Years, fucking years sometimes, of people's lives, dedicated to a story, to an investment, only to get fucked over by the ending. I know it's about the journey not the destination, but if the destination is literally nothing, the journey becomes worthless, because all the effort, all that development, all that work, leads to "OHOHO MAYBE THEY GET TOGETHER, NO ONE KNOWS~"

>>144635950
Broadcast.

>>144635950
Broadcast, then give it some time and watch the movies.

>>144635932
No it's not, it's a cop out EMOTIONAL ending, despite the series being about doing the impossible, and breaking all limits, how does it end? By Simon's hard work being rewarded with losing the person he loved most in life, and having no way of changing it.

>>144635200
>I blame Nakashima's terrible writing ability. Both TTGL and KLK were very poorly written.
Kamen Rider Fourze had a happy ending though.

>>144635965
It's about the journey not the destination you ditz.

>>144636068
> I know it's about the journey not the destination, but if the destination is literally nothing, the journey becomes worthless

>>144635932
And here comes this argument. I should've remembered to say inb4. They could have easily proven Simon understands the power from the fact that he didn't try to bring back Kamina or any of his other friends that died in all their fights

>>144635200
But stories are meant to invoke emotion. They decide who dies then think of why.

>>144636109
>I know it's about the journey not the destination, but the destination is more important than the journey
You fucking ditz.

>>144636068
The journey can be great, but if the ending is shit it will always leave a bitter taste in my mouth

>>144635966
>>144635988

What's wrong with the movies? Aren't they just recaps?

>>144636036
Fourze was all around a terrible Kamen Rider anyway. The MC's stupidly fun one liners can't carry those side characters.

>all these mad waifufags
fucking lmao
Nia surviving would have been the only cop out
fuck off

>>144636168
Lagann-hen was decent since it toned down the Simon pandering and asspulls, with tons of new animation. First one was just a recap though.

>>144636116
Adding to this anon, it becomes an even more pointless situation
>Blow ALL those resources, abuse Spiral Energy to an utmost degree, lose dozens of friends and lives, all to not only stop the Anti-Spirals, but to get his woman back
>Oh, but don't bother saving her life, because THAT would be abusing Spiral Energy too much!

>>144636250
Yes, that's pretty much the point, congratulations.

>>144636242
Is it okay if I watch the first half, then go straight to the second movie?

I fucking hated Nia, I'm glad she died

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>>144635159
fuck you, fucking hobofaggot you were a god and didnt saved her

FUCK YOU

>>144636328
Yoko a shit

>>144636328
As far as I'm concerned, the show went to shit when she appeared.

>>144636303
No, the anime gods are going to kill you in your sleep if you do that.

>>144636143
If you have an incredible story of an epic adventure across grand locations, fighting insurmountable odds, overcoming impossible enemies, and struggling tooth and nail to reach a goal that has been aimed at since the first step, only for the ending to have the cast be turned away at the door because their shoes are ugly, it sours the entire journey.

>>144636345
this

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>>144635159
Now fucking over your friends then failing at suicide, that earns you happiness.

>>144636364
>yoko after timeskip
A shit.
>yoko before timeskip
A cute.

>>144636191
>Create a mecha that is larger than galaxies out of pure friendship
>But stopping Nia from dying of spiral cancer would be the cop out

>>144636416
The ending doesn't have retroactive effects. If the journey was great and the ending was underwhelming that's all it is, a great journey that didn't really take you anywhere worth going, but it was still a great journey.

>>144636020
>>144636116
>>144636250
>>144636416
If you bring Nia back to life, how do you then justify not bringing everyone else who's ever died back to life? How do you justify not making every being in the universe immortal to prevent them from feeling the loss you fear?

>>144636650
Not necessarily bringing her back to life, but preventing her from dying by supplying her with a small amount of spiral power so she can live a normal life.

>>144634996
He's a turbo-nihilistic gook what's there to understand?

>>144636732
How do you now justify not doing this for everyone who's going to die in the future?

>>144636501
Bullshit. A good ending ties the whole story together, giving it that sweet, lasting memory. A shitty ending leaves a bad after taste. People don't go back to stories with bad endings cause they remember the bad ending. Imagine if Spirited Away ended with Haku dying and Chihiro getting trapped in the spirit realm, a shitty, depressing ending, right? Oh but that shouldn't matter, cause everything leading up to that ending was so enjoyable! Or hell, what if you eat this rich, moist chocolate cake, and just before the final bite, we throw hot sauce on the piece, the cake was good up till that last bite right, so it shouldn't matter how terrible the last bite was.

A story, a plot, is all it's parts.

>>144636650
My argument was never to bring her back to life. Her death itself was bullshit

>>144636787
Why? She was a construct of the Anti-Spiral. Once he's destroyed she no longer has anything holding her together.

>>144636773
By implying Spiral Power isn't some cure all medicine? Spiral Power itself is a form of energy.

You guys do know that Nova is not dead,right? They even said in future trigger shows Luluco will eventually find him.

>>144636773
Because you don't need to justify it. They lost dozens of friends, broke the laws of physics and killed an entire race, I'd imagine stopping Nia from fading into nothing would be well within Simon's rights to do without needing any justification after SAVING THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE FROM EXTERMINATION.

>>144634996
who is that in the middle she a cute

>>144636859
Yeah, but him having to leave Luluco in the first place is retarded forced drama.
They even made his final scene exactly like Nia's, no originality.

>>144636859
Are you referring to them being in the background of the Kiznaiver finale? That was pretty neat

>>144636851
It's explicitly stated he could have used it to bring all his friends back to life. It is a cure-all.

>>144636886
Except that he did all of those things to destroy the Anti-Spiral or depose Lordgenome and free humankind. The only reason to prevent Nia from dying is his own selfish and sentimental fear of loss. This is the same fear that leads the Anti-Spiral to supress the Spiral races. To give into it would make him no better than the being he just destroyed.

>>144636993
No, they said there will be a time when we'll actually see them reunite. the Kiznaiver finale cameo was just something that happened during the season 3 arc. When Luluco meets Nova again she'll be Trigger-chan.

>>144636951
Nova's "death" was redemption through sacrifice. It fit his character just fine.

>>144637047
>It's explicitly stated he could have used it to bring all his friends back to life. It is a cure-all.
Then just omit that. Its bullshit anyway and just Nakashima trying to force a different theme in the end.

>>144636444
This tbqfh

Fuck him

>>144637047
See it would be different if Nia had been mortally wounded, or had some disease that was going to kill her. No, all the problem was they killed her original power source, and had nothing to keep her together anymore. It would have literally been as simple as swapping batteries. He wasn't going to be curing cancer, he wasn't going to be bringing her back from a fatal wound, it would have been him replacing the Anti-Spiral source with his own Spiral Energy.

It ruins the message of "oh we must accept loss and not be afraid of losing our loved ones", he lost Kamina and all his friends because they fucking died, he lost Nia because her source code got fucking erased. It was a scenario that no other human would go through, so you can't use that "well if he saved her why doesn't he save everyone else!" argument. It was a bullshit cop out to make the ending OH SO EMOTIONAL

>>144635200
Senketsu was the worst one. He gives a goddamn life affirming speech realizing his own humanity and potential was the same as Ryuko then dies because he was just a sailor uniform. Senketsu does not thing but the right thing throughout the entire show then gets punished for it.

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>>144637594
They ruined a perfect set up too, they could have had Senketsu mostly burn up, and all thats left is the scarf from the suit, so Ryuko wears him around as a normal scarf, graduating from a school uniform to a fashionable scarf, but nooooo, since theres no more fighting, theres no use for Sanketsu, despite him being family.

>>144637182
Why is it bullshit? Because you say so? Spiral Power can do anything else, there's no reason it wouldn't be able to bring people back from the dead.

>>144637311
Every death is the result of a loss of energy. You could do the same thing for a normal person, just replace the energy provided by their body with Spiral energy and they'll be able to live forever. Lordgenome even does this with Viral.

>>144637725
I want to hear how mature you think Berserk is because it has blood and titties in it (so sophisticated wow).

>>144637867
>there's no reason it wouldn't be able to bring people back from the dead.
There's no reason it should either. Getter Rays can show people the future but it can't bring back Musashi. One of the biggest flaws of Spiral Energy is that it has no set rules and it does whatever Imaishi feels like pulling out of his ass.

>>144638018
Spiral Energy does everything. It doesn't have rules, it's a manifestation of will. It can do whatever the wielder wants if he has enough power.

>>144638171
Then why does Simon have spiral power, while everyone else pretty much doesn't except for when it's convienient? What's stopping everyone from having an abundance of Spiral Energy?

>>144637867
Nigga I aint saying he should have made Nia immortal. I'm saying the only thing he had to do was make his own Spiral Energy Nia's source to keep her together. There was no moral reason for Simon to let Nia die. Keeping her from fading would not have been an abuse of Spiral Energy, and even if it was, he deserved something after all the shit he went through. TTGL's end message is "If you go through a lot of shit and struggle against impossible odds and win in the end, you won't get any reward and you will die alone and unknown"

>>144638332
They don't have enough guts.

>>144636783
This

I will never understand the half of /a/ with a rabid obsession with jamming shitty depressing endings onto shows/stories where they don't fit.

>>144638397
Who says they don't? They all have things they want to protect just as much as Simon.

>>144638505
>Who says they don't?
The creator of the universe they exist within, the one who wrote them into existence.
>They all have things they want to protect just as much as Simon.
Kittan is the only one you can say this of, since none of the others do much of anything.

>>144638396
The message is clearly "When you're time is up, pass the torch to the future generations and don't abuse your power to hold on your position and things that are no more", but whatever, you sound set in wanting your shitty happy ending and generic "if you worked hard, you'll be rewarded and live forever with your waifu" shonen message.

>>144634996
But anon Luluco found Nova

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>>144637065
She already found him and her parents are back together.

>>144638448
>I will never understand the half of /a/ with a rabid obsession with jamming shitty depressing endings onto shows/stories where they don't fit.
to make it ~deep~

>>144638859
>Luluco in a yukata
My heart.

>>144638901
Name 3 shows that you think had an unwarranted "depressing" ending.

>>144638973
Xam'd, Mahoromatic, Kumamiko

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>>144638607
>Future generation
Nigga they were in their 20s when the second half happened, at least that much. I know Japan has this theme of "If you're nearly 30 you're an old person" but they WERE the future generation, at the moment. There was no passing of the torch, or their generation was up. And it wasn't abuse, or holding onto things that are no more. Nia was alive, she wasn't dying, she wasn't hurt, she was fine until she just fucking fades away. There would have been no abuse in just giving her spiral energy to keep her alive, it's like denying a sick person medicine because "Oh, it's fine, they are going to die, we shouldn't abuse our ability to prolong their life, it's not right to cling onto things" But no, that doesn't seem to register to you, because you prefer a shitty ending because its "Deep and emotional, brah"

>>144639460
That's clearly why it flashes forward to when Simon is an adult and the two kids are now flying their own robots.

>>144635724
This. For some reason the Japanese think it's 'deep' or something.

>>144639560
Ah yes, because when Simon is an old man is certainly the same as when he's in his 20s in terms of generations.

>>144639704
He never said they were passing the torch at the climax of the show.

>>144639460
It sounds like your problem is you're too autistic to understand emotions and you think happy endings can be the only good endings because that's the arbitrary rule you've established in your head.

>>144639460
>Nia was alive, she wasn't dying
She was dying. Her source of life was gone and she was only running on fumes for a few days after destroying the Anti-Spiral.

>it's like denying a sick person medicine
That's the kind of issue you have to deal with when you have a medicine that can grant eternal life, especially when you know that granting that life can lead to total annihilation.

>"Oh, it's fine, they are going to die, we shouldn't abuse our ability to prolong their life, it's not right to cling onto things"
So it's completely fine to abandon the themes of the show in the final moments to get a happy end?

>>144639821
And it sounds like your problems is you're too autistic to understand good writing and shoving in a pointless death doesn't automatically make an ending emotional and deep.

>>144639951
The death isn't pointless you dipshit. It backs up the themes of the show.

>>144639951
You don't actually have any points. Putting the word "deep" in quotation marks like that doesn't count as one. You have your opinion, and that's fine.

>>144639950
The themes of the show was "Doing the impossible and kicking reason to the curb"

Just because you can give something eternal life via spiral energy doesn't mean every instance of a person fueled by spiral energy will make them immortal. I suppose all that building giant super robots bigger than galaxies was a viable use of Spiral Energy, though, right? I mean it's not like they couldn't have just built a really strong Gunman with the spiral energy instead of having a "who has the biggest robot" contest? Oh but no, thats fine and dandy in the grand scheme of things, but no, ensuring one person continues living, no thats what will destroy the universe. Good thinking Simon.

>>144639460
They WERE the old generation, and as you noticed, it's a japanese thing. Do you think Yoko assuming the role of a teacher wasn't intentional? That's what the second half of the show is about.
They accomplished everything in their teens, all what was left for them to do was not fucking up repeating the same mistakes as Lord Genome and assuring the future of the next generation.
If you're too autistic to accept how another culture works, stop watching their media.

>>144635724
You know that Penguindrum is based on Night on the Galactic Railroad, a traditional japanese tale about death and sacrifice, right?
Blaming anime just shows how ignorant you are.

>>144635824
All these years later I'm still fucking mad

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>>144640361
>scifi
>traditional japanese tale

>>144640099
They built giant super robots with Spiral Power to destroy a force that was supressing all life in the universe. What you're missing here is WHAT is being fought for. It's not just about kicking reason to the curb. It's kicking reason to the curb to express your will on the universe, to free people from oppression, and eventually it's about learning why your enemies did what they did and learning to avoid their mistakes.
Where Lord Genome and the Anti-Spirial made a mistake is that they give up to sentimentality and fear. They believe change will eventually bring destruction, and because of that they stop progress in order to preserve what they already have becaise they fear loss. If Simon saved Nia, he would be giving in to this same fear of loss. That's why he can't save Nia.

The only death that can be considered bad is Senketsu and that's only if you didn't watch the special finale episode of KlK

Nia was established to die. Her life force was gone, and the fact that she lived that long was a miracle. Using spiral power to BS her life to longer lengths is a worse mistake then killing her. If he brings Nia back, why doesn't he bring back Kamina, Kittan, and everyone else he cared about that died. If he does that, all their deaths had no meaning as a whole.

In Luluco, Nova's death caused his character to redeem himself for the actions he did, and it was fucking plainly stated that they would meet up again.

In Kill la Kill, Senketsu's death in 24 set-up for the climax in the conflict of episode 25.

>>144636916
>She

>>144640099
I always thought the theme of the show was getting rid of your crutches and realizing your own potential. The first 7 episodes were about how much Simon uses Kamina as a crutch despite having the ability to stand on his own, he just doesn't realize it, then after episode 8 its about Simon realizing he can live without his crutches and eventually defeats Lordgenome. Even Yoko comments about how Simon doesn't need her anymore.

Then post timeskip was just Nakashima not being able to be consistent for more than one cour as usual.

I get the feeling Senketsu was made to die in the finale from his inception. His last words really speak to it "school uniforms are made to be grown out of".

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Let's get this shit out of the way:
Panty & Stocking > Luluco > Gurren Lagann > Kill la Kill

>>144642575
Switch gurren and KLK and its perfect.

>>144642658
Shadow the Edgehog is not better than Gurren

>>144642354
They must have written those lines before actually writing KLK since Senketsu's whole character revolves around him growing as a person and ends with him coming to the conclusion he's just as human as Ryuko.

>>144642575
Pure cancer taste
KLK > TTGL > P&S > Luluco
They're all fine though.
>>144642870
So a person can't sacrifice himself? What are you trying to say?

>>144642575
PSG > TTGL > Dead Leaves > Luluco > KLK
Dead leaves doesn't get discussed as much as it should.

>>144643515
Because it's pure crude nonsense like Sex & Violence with Machspeed.
Nobody really cares about the shit Imaishi likes to do when he's unrestrained.

>>144641261
>travel to the afterlife
>scifi

>>144643379
I'm just saying it's goofy, you spend the whole shoe saying and building on the fact that he's more than a sailor uniform and thar he is Ryuko's equal but then his dying line is he's just a sailor uniform. I understand in the actual scene he's just saying it to comfort her but when you look at the whole show its like with TTGL your suddenly saying something that contradicts the message you've been sending out up till now.

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>>144644145
>travel to space and explore other galaxies and space civilizations
>gothic romantic horror bildungsroman

>>144644382
The show is more about the growth of Ryuko than the the growth of Senketsu so that's fine. And that line is just too good to not use.
And even if Senketsu is his own person, he only really cared about helping Ryuko, so it's not like it's out of character either.

>>144634996
It sells.

>>144635724
Kawamori liked this bullshit in his last shows.

>>144644667
I think the only thing of Imaishi's that sold well was TTGL

>>144647134
They all sold well except for P&S

>>144639131
>>/v/

>>144634996
FUCK YO SHIPPING

>>144636650
The problem is there is no point to the question. At no point in time did the writers have to give her KEYAIDS and have the necessity of using spiral power to save her life.

It's an example of poor writing.

>>144648347
Yes, they didn't have to. Kamina doesn't have to die either, hell the story didn't even have to be written in the first place. Writing will always have some level of contrivance, and although I do think that Nia being an Anti-Spiral puppet comes a bit out of nowhere, the idea that she can't sustain herself without the Anti-Spiral makes more than enough sense.

>>144648744
But the fact they don't try to use spiral energy to stabilize her condition is fucked. It's not bringing her back to life, it's like having a cure for a rare illness and not using it because it would be unnatural.

>>144634996
Senketsu and NOVAKUN only made me sad, but Nia made me fucking furious.
Not only they killed her off in a really cheap way, they also used a fucking stupid reason.
>muh shouldn't bring back the dead
SHE WAS NOT DEAD FOR DAYS AND YOU FAGGOTS DID NOTHING

>>144650261
Explain those semantics to the next person who ask you to save someone.

They won't care.

>>144650261
She doesn't need to be stabalized, she needs to be supported by Spiral energy the rest of her life. It's not like she needs an adrenaline shot to get the energy to heal. She needs to be on life support permanently.

Moreover, if you'll save her life with Spiral power, why wom't you save everyone's life with Spiral power when their time comes?

>>144636328
This, I don't get why so many people like her. She was an annoying mary sue.

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>>144652284
Most people don't have a deficiency of spiral energy.

>>144653874
Yeah, tell them that, they'll totally care.

>>144653874
Anyone can be saved with a Spiral energy injection.