She's a drama whore.
Removal from the story when? Utaha needs to go too.
Eriri is LITERALLY PERFECTION and her tsuntsun face makes me want to kiss her
Eriri and Utaha are bringing it down.
>Megumi knows she can kill
>the truth lies beyond the game
Her tsuntsun face makes me want to punch her.
>the only good things about this shitty series
Utaha is good, she and Megumi have the best and most memorable scenes in the series. Eriri's purpose on the other hand is to be the source of forced drama that brings an otherwise fun and relaxed series down. Her arcs are the worst, and logically, she's also the least popular heroine.
She's also good for bullying the fuck out of Eriri.
The whole series is summed up in this screenshot.
>Megumi will never sleep in your bed
Reminder to stop spreading lies.
There isn't any other valid answer.
Then a lot of her charm is gone now, because Maruto has made it way too obvious she loves him. Though considering how Maruto's writing has gone to crap since Volume 7 ended, it wouldn't surprise me if he's just bullshitting at this point. Personally I think now is a good time for Megumi to be more overt with her feelings but we need more dere Megumi, not mad Megumi.
>because Maruto has made it way too obvious she loves him.
I'm really not seeing it. For all we know she is only acting like the overbearing 2D heroine Tomoya wanted. She has been aware of Tomoya's feelings since volume 7 (or even before) and her character never stopped being reserved and composed, until Tomoya made it too obvious for her through his Eriri route that he still loves Eriri and she took the opportunity to tease him.
She has improved a lot.
I think she will probably never make a move on Tomoya until he gets over Eriri. She's too aware that the guy refuses to move the fuck on and would be abandoned in a heartbeat for Eriri.
But she's not even trying to raise flags with Tomoya. She just keeps doing her passive aggressive act. Tomoya has been in love with Eriri since elementary school, Megumi should know if she wants to win, she has to act now.
Her cousin seemed like a nice person. Definitely a better person than the sperglord Tomoya is.
She knows that, but at the same time, I don't think she feels it's particularly worth it. She likes him, but not enough to actually try to move to the next steps. Plus Eriri is in the way, and with what happened in the girls side volume, probably will just keep hanging back.
That's not really her style. She pretty much backs away because of Eriri. She hasn't really received any signs that Tomoya likes her in that way either, so there's that. So you got a two step problem for her, the first is Eriri and the second is that Tomoya's own feelings are just unsure. If things go on as they do and Megumi did go after Tomoya, you probably get a WA2 situation, where Tomoya abandons Megumi for Eriri again.
The only real problem would be the fallout from Eriri, but if they managed to make up after V7, they can make up again. Just because Tomoya doesn't have feelings for her now doesn't mean that can't be changed later.
Considering how often Tomoya forgives Eriri and is still so in love with her, Megumi is probably finding it pointless to forge forward. It's discouraging when the guy you like keeps going back to the girl who keeps hurting him.
She's doing it on purpose. Megumi will be happy for her best friend Eriri to reach a romantic conclusion with the love of her life who also happens to be profoundly in love with her. She's so selfless and kind. A cupid. Her jealous act helps Tomoya to stop being indecisive and choose what his heart truly wants.
>Apparently, after hearing that she entered a game circle, her friends (named Mina Nozaki & Manami Furuhashi) were interested to hear more about the circle. Izumi asked Tomoya to explain about the circle to her friends, but Eriri exclaimed that amateurs or people who are not an otaku shouldn’t join. Izumi retorted by laying out the fact that Tomoya was also an amateur who only started a year ago and managed to have his circle’s game released in the Winter Comiket. Eriri wanted to declare that she and Utaha were members of that circle, but lost her strength to do so partway. Both of Izumi’s classmates then revealed that they are actually full-fledged otakus. Completely losing the ‘battle’, Eriri leaved the classroom as Tomoya took off with Izumi’s classmates to explain about the circle.
How bad is it for Eriri to get BTFO by a "joke"?
She didn't know Izumi's friends were otaku. Even if she was right, it's not her decision to make. She already fucked off and left the circle in ruins. She's hardly the one to talk about proper management.
Nothing. Everything went better than expected.
The meaning is fitting with her effect on the world. I don't know what the purpose of your post was because there is nothing related to blessings about Eriri nor was it witty.
This is why I love Eriri most.
Now you're contradicting yourself. Most of her development comes from the fact she will prioritize her career over Tomoya because she finds the most happiness when drawing. As long as she is an artist she is happy.
The scene I look forward to most for S2. Damn YP for licensing the LNs before fan translation finished vol.6.
Megumi > Utaha > Eriri > Michiru > Izumi
Long hair = Short hair > Long ponytail > short ponytail
Koisuru Metronome > Egoistic Lily
He only has a little grudge that will be resolved in due time. The grudge itself little to do with gained benefits that came out of the drama and resolution. You really should pay more attention to the story and its character instead of caring only about shipping, you know.
Megumi will have the most development out of all the girls in the end.
It is normal for secondary heroines to have faster development than the main girl to conclude their character arcs before the endgame, which is of course reseved for the main heroine. Best for last as they say.
Eriri and Tomoya being around each other made the two of them stagnate because they were respectively too comfy/protective and stuck in a rut. It's like mixing business and pleasure whe they were around each other. That's the main issue the author gave.
It is little. The whole lover spat exchange was both antics and Tomoya and Eriri blowing off steam. And still they get along. Doesn't change the fact the whole ordeal was beneficial to everyone, you know.
Japanese culture is big on the whole people fight and quarrel because they care and are close to each other. What Tomoya and Eriri did was exactly that. Megumi was even used to hammer down the notion of love on Tomoya's side since Tomoya was so insistent because he loves Eriri. No doubt Eriri is the same.
It's the opposite. The development of a main girl is steady, scattered throughout the story. Megumi is always developing - even in arcs where she isn't the main focus, privilege most secondary girls don't have - be it showing previously unknown sides to her character, widening her emotion range or giving subtle details for a stronger characterization.
It is a slow yet solid process of build up. Her development and her role as the main focus of the story will just come full circle in the endgame.
>The development of a main girl is steady, scattered throughout the story.
That'd be nice if it actually happened. Ever since V8 she's had barely anything. Of all the girls in V10, Megumi actually had the least screentime.
It'd be called lover's spat in the West, although it's nowhere as moe and prevalent as Japan's version of it.
Tomoya and Megumi don't have lover's spat-like fights though.
I would say the big turning point will be when he has to choose between Megumi and Eriri. This will probably be once Megumi finally gives up on him and utterly rejects him. Actually, that's just fantasy, but I really want her to just reject him.
She had the best scene in volume 9 though. GS2 was probably the novel where she got the most development. But yeah, volume 10 was odd in that she didn't even have her typical special scene at the end.
Tomoya acting like a henpecked husband to Megumi is more amusing though, since she actually understands him and knows how to push the correct buttons to trigger him, and the power of gap moe has a great effect on Megumi acting like that.
Agreed on everything except
>Short hair > Long hair = Long ponytail > short ponytail
Short hair = short ponytail > long ponytail > long hair desu senpai.
That said, Megumi is lovely either way.
She actually understands him != only she understands him
Though no other girl has Megumi's level of grasp of Tomoya's character. Utaha admitted she understood him the most in GS1.
>Maruto said there will be an anime original beach episode
>A1 is known for messing with source material like with Boku Dake's ending
>Volumes 5 and 6 don't have enough Megumi pandering even though S2 is called Flat
Megumi understands Tomoya to a certain degree, but it's pretty ludicrous to say she understands him the most. Eriri is very intimate with Tomoya, but even she doesn't understand Tomoya as much as she thinks. Utaha is the perceptive one, but she too can't say for certain that she understands Tomoya the most—character ignorance overturned it.
When was that? I don't remember such exact words. In any case, Utaha has been wrong before. Character ignorance is natural part of the writing process when dealing with character perception. From our meta side, it's hard to imagine Megumi understands him the most, especially when she couldn't understand her best friend who's also a Creator and consumer otaku.
It would be dumb to fit in anime original content for Megumi for 6 when it's in her best interest to have little scenes until her scene near the end of volume 7. The impact wouldn't be strong and meaningful if she wasn't put in the back seat until then.
Dude, I said it in my previous post. GS1.
If you haven't realized it, most of Megumi's actions are determined by her understanding of Tomoya. Like in volume 7, she knew Tomoya was depressed and she knew she was the key to end his suffering, and she knew the absolute best way to accomplish that. It's why she was so confident in dressing up and playing the heroine act in the same hill from volume 1 to cheer him up. She knew Tomoya would be happy to see his beloved heroine again and would be motivated to start a new circle. Tomoya also tells Megumi things he would never say to Utaha and Eriri, furthering her knowledge of him. It's why they have such a close and positive relationship. Compare that to Utaha and Eriri, who were suprised to see Tomoya chasing after them again and forgiving them and wishing them luck with Akane. They didn't expect all that.
Eriri is another matter altogether. Megumi thought she understood her when in reality she didn't.
Megumi needs lots of scenes so that when Tomoya doesn't see her for two months, we feel the impact too. More scenes would also help make it more believable she fell for Tomoya. And then there's how she needs scenes to build up her friendship with Eriri.
>Utaha admitted she understood him the most in GS1.
I thought you were talking about Utaha herself here. But yes, the epilogue in GS has such a quote. But again, character ignorance can be wrong, especially from a meta point of view.
Most of the example you give is common sense and understanding of Tomoya on a basic level though. Tomoya's love for the game and the fact Megumi is the inspired heroine he idealized in the game? That's isn't a secret. Cheering up a friend when he's down is simple. Tomoya also say things to Eriri and Utaha that he doesn't say to Megumi. Nobody full understands Tomoya, so acting in a way that isn't expected is only natural.
The drama with Eriri shows Megumi is fallible.
>Cheering up a friend when he's down is simple
The action itself is simple, but knowing the exact moment, the exact place, the exact words, even choosing the exact appearance and getting the expected results is something only someone who understands the other person beyond a basic level can accomplish. It's clear Megumi didn't just want to cheer him up, she wanted to be his heroine again. Healing scenes like this always represent a special understanding bond between the MC and the heroine.
I never said Megumi fully understands Tomoya nor that she is infallible, she just has the best grasp of Tomoya's character. Just like Utaha has the best grasp of Eriri's character.
That's all pretty basic though. What better way to cheer Tomoya up than to re-act the hill scene that started it all? That kind of thinking.
Either way, each girl have different strengths at understanding Tomoya. Let's say Megumi has a wider grasp, Eriri is more intimate, and Utaha is most perceptive.
>I never said Megumi fully understands Tomoya nor that she is infallible
I know. I was just saying.
As an artist. Utaha knows Eriri's self-destructive side.
It's super obvious. There's also how Megumi said that she fell for him suddenly, and none of the scenes so far seem to show when she fell for him.
This scene implies she used to have a crush on him.
So why did she make this face after Tomoya called her a liar?
Season 2 will up the visual and story references. Can't wait.
Megumi was adorable during that whole date.
Bottom left is pushing it. Thank god we have something actually comparable to that scene.
Tomoya knows Eriri is a tsundere though.
Her mad face is the most adorable.
>not the most helpful girl in the cast
>not the one who brings Tomoya the most happiness
She's literally a blessing anon.
She's pretending. She knows they love each other and just need a little push to get together. She isn't a bad person so instead of ruining their beautiful love story, she is playing wingman in a subtle and misleading way.
>If Eriri and Utaha weren't in love with captain autist would they have left the circle in a nicer manner?
No. Utaha did it that way because he didn't give her the D. Eriri is a coward so she might have done something awful.
Megumi just proceeded to warn and give Eriri guidance to follow her love after they made up in GS2. She even deliberately said she will always be with Tomoya, of course only so Eriri can improve her game and take her place as Tomoya's lover.
>Yeah but that is independent of their romantic feelings for him.
Akane would have never scouted them so they would never have to leave. But anyway, they wouldn't have cared about him at all if they had no feelings for him, so they'll just tell him they're leaving and fuck off.
Utaha only screwed him so hard because she was frustrated he wouldn't fuck her. So yeah, it was purely because of romantic feelings. For Eriri it's more questionable. She couldn't personally tell Megumi she was leaving so maybe she would chicken out.
Both of them actually.
Not that anon, but it's up to interpretation that while Eriri's love is bigger now, Megumi's feelings changed from nothing to something. How much about this means love is not clear.
I do remember how I watched this expecting love Utaha's character from all the posts, but ended liking Megumi the most.
She has some interesting development, and her interactions are fun, while Eriri gets on my nerves and Utaha is a nice girl who can accomplish nothing.
I think Utaha really needs to move on from him. She hasn't and is doomed to never even being considered by him.
Utaha still loves his game all things considered. I am not sure Maruto will sweep her away until the very end.
Do Utahafags even bring in shekels?
Utaha is the second most popular girl. Besides Megumifags, Utahafags are the only other important faction in the fanbase.
They are making a life size statue for Utaha too.
And she shows it to him for the first time in a glorious scene.
I haven't read Koisuru Metronome so I can't say but she has no shot of winning him in the main series. Her only ray of hope is if Megumi turns into something wicked and Eriri goes full crazy. Oh, and for Tomoya to stop worshiping her.
So why are Eriri and Utaha so hostile to eachother? I know they make for a good pair and care about eachother professionally but there is no real reason for them to bicker like two children over a toy.
We already knew she had no way to win in Volume 7, but it didn't say anything about KM. Now we have Volume 10 where the Utaha route is essentially KM, but Tomoya says that the girl in that route isn't the real Utaha.
They're tsundere for each other. That's what makes them great and hot as a pairing.
>Eriri has fallen out of love with him
This never happened. And Utaha might know she doesn't have a chance with Tomoya, but that won't stop her constant sexual harassment towards him.
Yep. No problem. Everyone should realize that Tomoya is never going to change his heart and that it's pointless to fight over him. They all should support Eriri x Tomoya and wish them a happy life together like Megumi is doing.
>her constant sexual harassment towards him.
She is just teasing him. There is no love behind it. If he actually responded to it and tried something she would stop him.
>This never happened.
Someone told me on 4chan that Eriri stopped liking him that way and their chances were over. Funposting?
That would be reassuring. Too much of the drama in this series revolves around Tomoya's dck.
>Someone told me on 4chan that Eriri stopped liking him that way and their chances were over. Funposting?
That's utter bullshit. And Utaha's sexual harassment is borderline rape, the only reason actual rape hasn't happened is because someone keeps showing up to cockblock them.
I just finished this episode. Why was Utaha so bothered by this? Did she realize that what she was doing was wrong as a creator? If so there is no reason to be mad at him for 6 months, it isn't as if he did anything wrong. It seems like she is over it though.
He met her as a creator and they connected through her creation. If she wanted him to care about her as a person she should have tried to appeal to him that way rather than act like a spurned lover.
I agree but that is because 8man himself is actually enjoyable as main character. He is not perfect and has made lots of mistakes, but compared with Tomoya, he is miles better.
The girls are not really that good tho. In that aspect, Saekano is far better.
Yahari dragged Yukino's issue too much, to the point it got uninteresting. Still better writing and prose than Saekano tho.
I don't even know anymore. It's like he was castrated by her actions in their childhood, so now he is incapable of telling who loves him for real.
This is what actually pissed me off the most. I understand her position as a creator. Tomoya wouldn't even reject that if there were plenty of reasons, as he shows himself in the station. But what is the fucking necessity to make her and Utaha look so bad with the betrayal, is beyond me. Unless it was formulated that way to make then out of question as romantic partners later,.
Of course Utaha, who won get the D is the one who has to tell him the true first.
tomoya love utaha 99% Megumi1% eriri 0% but eriri win friendsphip Utaha 1% Megumi 35% Eriir 64%
Blame Eriri for not telling Tomoya beforehand and leaving the responsibility to Utaha of revealing the truth. That's also one of the reasons Megumi goes to confront Eriri and calls her out on her shit.
I'm seriously wondering how Tomoya is supposed to get over his Eriri love. How is Maruto going to break the bond after all she's done? I can't see a satisfactory Megumi end if he still doesn't deal with that first.
Would love and appreciate a translation of this.
> he has feelings for Utaha
not only of amiration and love(feeling ambiguous)
After talking with Eriri a bit and finally leaving the place, Utaha began to cry desperately, Eriri was obviously supporting her even when she still holds some mixed feelings (Why she jelly????? )after noticing how close Utaha and Tomoya are(???love 100%)
Tomoya kept thinking about Utaha even throughout the camp, and finally decided later on: he will write a scenario with Utaha
The circle has returned from their training camp. Tomoya is working on his game. Megumi shows up to meet him but he’s too busy thinking about Utaha to notice her!!!! in the room, so she picks off some of the sunburnt skin on his neck. Tomoya screams in pain and finally notices her. Megumi tells him she’s noticed how depressed he is about Utaha and that he needs to cheer her up. Tomoya asks if it’s okay for him to focus on the ex-circle members instead of the current circle members. Megumi says yes, mentioning how she’s used to him betrayed her ever since he wrote the Eriri route. Tomoya realizes that he has to write an Utaha route
As always Tomoya acted like a huge idiot, this happened mainly because when he heard Utaha rejecting his heroine (which means rejecting the way he feels about Utaha!!) his feelings were affected too Why??? love 100%)and now Tomoya and Utaha who used to be together now started to move away, on different paths.
Eriri is very special for Tomoya, but I haven't really seen anything that necessarily indicates Tomoya is still in love with herand Megumi friendship(can be love or not)
Tomoya hesitated to answer of question about feeling for utaha when megumi asked him about his feeling about her (Utaha) directly and didn't was a clearly answer. And the other hand, he said Eriri was his first love(was).
Hopefully, Tomoya will realize his own feelings for her vol 11
I suppose the odds of tomoya ending up with utaha? ?Not impossible unless Megumi win because as heroine
She has done enough already rescuing him and staying close by his side. She just can't suddenly override Tomoya's feelings, which too bad for her haven't changed a bit even after all the shit Eriri has pulled on him.
That would happen anyway if she did nothing. Now she actually has a chance to appeal to him since Eriri is away most of the time. She needs to take the chance before she comes back.
>tfw the anime cut out their nearly kiss in volume 1
Granted, the way they arranged the whole scene would have made it impossible to fit.
To be honest, and given the precedent in WA2, I'm expecting her to get aggressive if she is actually jealous and not acting. Maybe at first under the excuse of acting like the assertive type of heroine for the game.
Is Megumi really have older brother? Because if it's true then there are some inconsistencies, because she says at manga ch 10 that she only have older sister
Maybe at some point they come to the realization that they're already a couple without really realizing it. That would be a pretty refreshing and realistic romantic development for anime standards.
I think he might actually hate writing LNs. Everyone calls the prose shit and the only reason it's still going is because of the anime.
>most anime exist to promote the LNs
>this LN exists to promote the anime
Iroha was pretty much the reason Yahari S2 still did well.
>Nips seem to hate it when a girl takes the initiative
There are some cases where that doesn't happen.
Which is her best hat?
Loving any other girl at this point would make him mentally ill. Eriri is really the most logical choice at the moment given their history and build up of tension Tomoya has with Eriri for years.
Megumi in sundress when?
It can't be helped. Eriri drove her insane since the start.
Tomoya has a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome. Yes, they could easily get together and despite how much Eriri hurts him he'll keep loving her. I think he loves her more the more she hurts him.
Setsuna lost so hard it hurts. He will avoid that?
Best outcome from all the bullshit. Somehow I can see how an ending without any romantic relationship would be played by Maruto. I mean, it was about their circle and their game, but not about romance itself.
Actually I'm fine with any ending but Eriri's. She deserves to lose.
How does Stockholm Syndrome apply? Do you even know what that mean?
To simplify it, Eriri is the first girl Tomoya loved that got away, the girl he shared childhood memories with that has a special place in his heart. They say absence makes the heart grow fonder, and then when you add all the squabble that contributes to potential sexually tension/frustration, the attraction grows and keeps growing.
Other than Eriri not being bad at the start, it pretty much definies their relationship. She's self-absorbed and acts abruptly, hurting him more than once and he still forgives her and loves her.
Handicap then. Betray doesn't need to be a perquisite.
Nothing alike except for having blonde hair.
How are any of them similar to Eriri at all?
Only juxtaposition similarity of closet otaku and closet chuuni. And small chests.
I'm hoping for an Eriri bad end. Tomoya gets together with Eriri, she does something again to push him away and break his heart, they split up and because he's a fucking idiot, tries to get back together with Eriri. Repeat cycle.
Every time I see someone complain about an archetype for being generic, I have to wonder if that person is still too new to anime and have yet to be desensitized to the truth. The truth being the realization all longtime and high powerlevel fans eventually will reach--that is consuming things you like and seeking it out to appease one's fetishes on a daily basis is endgame.
I'm all hears if you can explain how that's the case then. Tomoyo is the only one that's remotely similar, but she's missing a few key obvious traits and circumstances to create Eriri's personality.
>Utaha is the true heroine of the story
Seriously, look up Stockholm Syndrome and try to define their relationship using it. You can't so stop trying so hard.
Eriri is no more self-absorbed than Tomoya. They're both selfish, stubborn, and quarrel with each other. Eriri is arguably actually a bit more considerate in her own way since she has made decisions that hurts her too because it's what's best for Tomoya and herself. Tomoya has a soft spot for Eriri as an old flame that never faded away, but he holds onto grudges so there are things that still need to be worked. Being that, you can't even say he forgives her completely, much less imply he doesn't know faults when he sees them. The antic turned squabble Tomoya and Eriri got into in volume 10 reinforces this.
Megumi just gets the covers of the best volumes. Maruto doesn't whore her out.
Maruto's favorite archetypes are tsundere and kuudere. He intended the main girl to be the worst girl because he was under the impression that in LNs, side heroines are the best girls, but that backfired.
Do you think hostages forgive completely their captors when this happens as well? They only sympathize with them and earn their trust. Eriri is the hurting side of the relationship, she's hurt as well but due to her own choices, Tomoya is on the receiving end. If this was a normal relationship, Tomoya would have forgotten about Eriri since she abandoned him as a child. His feelings would have waned out. Or he would have come to genuinely dislike her after she joined Akane. But they instead come off stronger each time.
>comparing them to hostages and captors when that's not how their relationship started nor is that how it is now
Since you're not going to take this seriously and only want to prolong baiting with circular logic then I won't take you seriously either.
Heard you the first time. You're overthinking it and looking at something that isn't there. That doesn't explain why Megumi was jealous and acts sarcastic, which was done in no way to push Tomoya onto Eriri's route.