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Are we witnessing the birth of a glorious age of anti self insert MCs?

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Are we witnessing the birth of a glorious age of anti self insert MCs?
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>anti self insert
What does that even mean?
You can't get more self insert than a shut-in NEET being transported to a fantasy world.
muh suffering doesn't change that
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>>144488376
>muh suffering doesn't change that
yeah, suffering is way better than the life of nothing most hikki's live through

that's why there's so much suffering porn in anime
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>>144488178
No, Kaneki suffered this much as well.
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>>144488440
Let me guess: you have never done any physical labour in your entire life
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fuck off
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>>144488376
his uselessness make self-insert fags go nuts. that's how it work.
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You won't get me to watch this shit. Fuck at least put some reddit:zero or some shit in your post so I can filter it properly.
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>>144488376
Would you prefer another generic battle harem where every girl wants to fuck the MC and there's some jokes here and there while the story doesn't progress at all?

I'd rather get more stuff like Re Zero and Higurashi then generic shit like To Love Ru and the other 100000 anime like it.
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>>144488791
Did you start watching anime this year?
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>>144488440
You know that you can still self insert into a character that suffers, right?
Self insert doesn't mean you wish what happened to the character literally happened to you.

Or else no one would want to self insert if the MC ever got hurt or injured.

>>144488652
I'm not a self-insert fag and his uselessness makes me go nuts. I don't think that's related.

>>144488791
No I wouldn't. LN trash is LN trash, just because Re Zero kinda has a plot and is edgy doesn't make it that much better.
Go wank over ElfenLied you child.
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We are witnessing the birth of endless bait threads.
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>>144488178
>japs being self aware or self depreciating

This is just a happy accident. They probably still expect you to self insert as him.
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>>144488879
Told.
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>>144488791
>Higurashi

Yeah I love anime that shits all over the original material. Nice one anon.
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>>144488178
No, that garbage character is basically a bad rethread of Shinji but done for gratuitous and mindless suffering with some sort of vague moral stuck in between all that typical japanese self loathing instead of being simply born from the depressed mind of Anno.

If you weren't an underage newfag you would understand this, but nope.
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>>144488879
>Replying to three posts in a thread with less than ten replies
>Trying hard enough to fit in to bash Elfen Lied as the summerest and sheepish
Do you think that you'll be able of getting sex this year, newfriend?
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People don't like to admit it, but Subaru is the most accurate, if not generous, self insert possible. You autistic fucks argue about how retarded he is in every way yet he's accomplishing more than any fucker on the board would.
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it's sort of like if HOUION KYOUMA had been stuck int a Fantasy World by the Organization and now he has to use Reading Steiner to survive and stop them.
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>>144488440
what is ntr?
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>self-insert
Stop with that shit. Most fiction protagonists are self-inserts at some degree because that's how empathy works. Unless you're legit autistic of course.
And suffering porn is as bad as power fantasy, it's easy catharsis.
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>>144488791
All those show mentioned are the same shit, you know, right?
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ITT: beta males
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>>144490415
Oh thank god. I thought I was the only one. Who wants to hang out and play D&D later?
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>>144490475
Nah. Lets play Magic: the Gathering together and talk about how we'll never get a girlfriend even though we're really nice.
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>>144488791
Why are these the only two options though.

Generic battle harem or Re:Zero. What happened to actual good anime? You know, where characters actually had personalities, motives, and were multi-faceted individuals not defined by 1 or 2 bland quirks, archetypes, or tropes.

Let's say Subaru is anti self insert for the sake of argument. He is so not deliberately but because of the combination of being generic like the mc in battle harems combined with an irritating amount of pitifulness as a result of poor characterization of his motives and personality.
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>>144490703
You made me footpalm.
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>>144490703
the combination of being butthurt and a beta male
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>>144488791
>where every girl wants to fuck the MC and there's some jokes here and there while the story doesn't progress at all?

re:zero is only slightly less guilty of those things than other otakushit.

Not every girl wants to fuck him but they all start to become deeply attached to him and behave as though he is deeply likeable in a not-very-convincing way.

there is a story but it progresses slowly.

Compare what re:zero accomplished in its first 10 episodes with what Madoka accomplished in its first 10 episodes, or what shin sekai yori accomplished in its first 10 episodes.

I really cannot possibly see re:zero being more than a 6/10 anime. I feel generous giving it a 5/10 to be honest.
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>>144489216
actually the fact that he's still referring to elfen lied as 'the newfag anime that children watch' indicates that he has been on /a/ for a long time. It is very out of date to assume that newfags watch elfen lied.
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>>144491084
Did you watch the latest episode where pretty much all the girls said he was disgusting?
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>>144491227
And they also gave him explicit clues to things they like to hear in negotiations that he can use to make them listen to him in the next loop.
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>>144491144
Not at all. Elfen Lied threads are made as often as overrated shit threads, to initiate newfriends in epic board culture. Last one was barely made a week ago. We are only halfway through summer, not that much time, even if your days are now filled with this community full of likeminded people
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Everyone always gets so up in arms about self insert protagonists. Sure, most of them are shitty, like most anime in general, but self insertion pretty much just boils down to how relateable a character is.
Examples: Shinji akari- No one wants to admit they'd be doing the same shit he'd be doing as a 14 year old, but you would.
Guts- Muh suffering protagonist in a dark fantasy world. The same thing as RE:Zero except done better.
Light Yagami- I'm better than everyone and am super smart, but I really don't think death for a good cause is wrong. Pretty much anyone with half a brain thinks killing people for a greater good isn't that bad of an idea.
Tell me you never thought about what you would do in their situations. That is self-inserting. Good protags make you want to be them, and they have some kind of moral code or compass that keeps them relateable and likable. Stop shitting on the idea of self insertion . These stories are to distract you from your life and have entertainment anyway.
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>>144491414
>The same thing as RE:Zero except done better
Back to /v/ with you
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THE DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC of a self-insert MC is not that the MC experiences things the main character would like to experience, it is that the MC is engineered to be EASY TO IDENTIFY WITH so the audience can imagine themselves as him.

What this usually means in the context of anime is creating an MC with a meek personality that does not leave a strong impression or is an otaku . the classic example is how a huge number of harem anime and manga in the 00s had a main character with virtually zero personality who never took the initiative so that the otaku audience could imagine themselves as him and insert themselves into him.

a new flavour of self-insert MC that has become more popular since them is the cynical highschool student. This is designed to be easy to appeal to for not-very-popular, kind of bitter teenagers who have sour grapes. The cynical highschool student MC ends up surrounded by the attention of beautiful women and affable male friends who, like the harem MC , all want to be his friend and have his company for not very convincing reasons. the audience enjoys seeing cynicism and sarcasm and aloof, unsociable behaviour as "cool".

Wishfulfillment is closely linked to self-insert mcs but not exactly the same thing.

self-inser MCs are a means for an emotionally stunted audience to experience wish-fulfilment more because their ability to empathise with characters who are not explicitly similar to them is low.

Furthermore, a show can provide wishfulfillment and suffering. the audience can enjoy imagining gaining the friendship and admiration of several beautiful girls and doing cute chores with them then disengage and enjoy the drama of the MC suffering in a 3rd person way
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>>144488178
>anti self insert MC
*pic not related
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evangelion did this 20 years ago
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>>144491227
no because I dropped it around episode 10, but even if what you said was true it is probably just a gag or something that will be undone by next reset.
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>>144491332
I don't come onto much /a/ anymore but when I do I don't see elfen lied mentioned very much at all.
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>>144488178
So who is that wolf guy and why MC beheaded?
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>>144491414
Guts only has a few aspects of his character which are relatable.

In most other aspects he is not a character you identify with like "that's so me!" but a rolemodel. Someone whose strong personality leaves a big impression and who is much more impressive in terms of character and otherwise than most living people.

Light Yagami is similar in that way, you aren't meant to look at him and see much of yourself in him.

pondering "what would I do in their situation" is not what people mean when they call someone a self-insert MC. When people try to ponder that about gutts or light the answer is probably very different to how light or gutts actually acted in the story because light and gutts are impressive and unusual and different from most people and have characters which leave an impression

what people actually mean when they point to an anime character as being a self-insert character is explained in >>144491758
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>>144488376
I think the point is more that he's been shown to be a piece of shit in the recent episodes to some extent and other characters have called him out for it
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>>144490836
Re:Zero has terrible writing and shit characters.
Prove me wrong.
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I don't watch this shit show so can someone explain how does this fucktard is supposed to suffer so much?
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>>144492193
Read the novels
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>>144492193
Why waste my time talking to a wall?
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>>144491084
>an anime about time travel where time travelling does not imply living through roughly the same path at all is advancing slowly

wew lads who whould have thought
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Self-Insert MCs dont exist those can be named other things like shallow or shit characters, certain archetypes etc.

Self-insert is just a buzzword for people who dislike a certain show but don't know any other way to shit on it.
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>>144492259
I'm strictly talking about the anime. I know nothing of the novels, I will admit.
>>144492289
You haven't even tried making an argument.
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>>144488178
Self-Insert MCs dont exist those can be named other things like shallow or shit characters, certain archetypes etc.

Self-insert is just a buzzword for people who dislike a certain show but don't know any other way to shit on it.
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>>144492146
Speak for yourself faggot. I find Guts to be pretty relatable therefore he's a self-insert.
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>>144492251
Ordinary underpowered guy in a cut throat fantasy world where an evil witch and her minions ravage and destroy towns regularly and the 'good' politicians are busy manipulating and abusing the fuck out of each other. Oh, and the MC has the smell of the evil witch on him so many assassins want to rip him apart.

tl;dr just fucking watch it.
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>>144488178
This show's entire fanbase is fucking pathetic.
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>>144492536
>You haven't even tried making an argument.
Well I guess you win. Good for you.
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>>144488178
Did he die?
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>>144492536
How do you expect to identify the writing of a work by a visual work that doesn't really in written words? Are you clinically retarded?
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>>144492624
>tl;dr just fucking watch it.
why, that sounds like the worst piece of shit
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>>144488178
re: zero is good. /a/ just likes to complain about everything.

I'd much prefer an "anti-self insert" protagonist than one with a cheat ability, ridiculous growth rate, special snowflake weapon, absurd popularity with women who all want to bear his children, etc.
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>>144491808
Well at the end of this arc things will be pretty fucked up and he can't reset it
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>>144492728
not him but that's not the actual plot. It's a time loop anime with a lot of lore and a great MC.

Why not just watch and formulate your own opinion instead of being some faggot contrarian?
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>>144488178
Wait, so it's actually good?
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Is the suffering good enough to outweigh the harem tone and retard-MC antics that happened early on? Because recent webMs have gotten me interested but I couldn't stand the first couple episodes
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>>144488178
>anti self insert
You must be kidding right? Or this is bait and it usually is. Doesn't matter. people wish they were in toyota position.
>be hikkineet
>be stupid
>be autistic
>have father complex
>transported to a different world
>meet princess heroine on the first day
>notice you can respawn
>notice you can do magic
>it's dark magic like your edgy teenage self
>meet friends and pussy that you can never meet in original world
>you can never die
Wow, with just that I myself want to be in toyota's position.
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>>144491758

The self-insert character depends on the author of the story and not on the audience, otherwise every character could be called a self-insert and that is just false. If you find a character to be relatable that does not make the character a self-insert.
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>>144492915
1st arc is great
2nd arc gets boring in the middle but is pretty good towards the end and end at episode 11
3rd arc,which is the reason why people are praising it, is GOD-TIER
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>>144492516
>Self-insert is just a buzzword for people who dislike a certain show but don't know any other way to shit on it.
There are more problems to this show than just Subaru's generic character. Quite frankly most if not all the characters exist without purpose. They are archetypes with some kind of blatant flaw that is shoved in your face.
That's not good writing. It's reductive. There's no complexity to the characters. It's a shame really because the anime sometimes has moments that negate this flaw.
Rem's entire motive for killing Subaru, although not explicitly told, is linked to her past. But other than her past and her inferiority complex there's not much to her character other than "I love Subaru."
Also the way Subaru solved the problem about Rem was extremely disappointing. The solution was pretty much handed to him through Emilia when she tells Rem that Subaru is a good guy after the whole lap scene.
Furthermore there is no justification for Subaru's strong feelings towards Rem and Ram when he said he loved them. It is explicitly stated and we are expected to believe it but it feels superficial and rushed.
There's a troubling lack of proper characterization in the series.
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>>144488376
>>144492971
Re: Zero's MC is "anti self insert" in the sense that it's his flaws as an un self aware, antisocial NEET stubbornly self-identifying as the protagonist that is the root cause of all his problems. He's a very flawed person, there's a list - pride, wrath, glutton, lust, I forget the rest; and his nature has proven to be unchangeable. His experience in the fantasy world has been nothing but torment due to it.

So at one level it's deconstructing isekai, taking a look at the realistic results of a NEET transported to a fantasy world but the narrative doesn't really dwell on that before moving onto its more complicated themes of sin and the mechanism of its timeloop and general worldbuilding. The protagonist isn't just a flat deconstruction of isekai, it's more of study of excessive pride and narrow vision imo.

>>144492251
He suffers because he's forced to go back to checkpoints every time he dies, repeatedly experiences gruesome deaths, repeatedly sees his loved ones gruesomely killed and it's all ultimately shown to be carefully curated and intentionally designed by the person controlling his timeloop in order to mindbreak him towards total evil, apparently.

The room for discussion of the convoluted plot - most of which comes from spoiler arcs not covered this season - is probably half the show's hype. Seeing it here on /a/ is what got me to give it a chance, anyway.

Its light novel source material reads like fan fiction trash but the lore so far seems to hold up and the anime maintains a relatively high standard for writing and production value. I usually avoid current season, and shonen shit especially, but I find this show acceptable.
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>>144492837
But why are these two the only options?
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>>144492970
As you watch it, you'll find out that the retard genki antics are actually a mask and he's actually depressed as shit. Everything after episode 11 is excellent but the rest is good too.

There's no harem either, he gets btfo and abandoned by one of the girls later on and only one girl actually likes him. The MC has actual flaws and isn't what he appears to be.
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>>144492621
I'm speaking for people who are not delusional; you are delusional.

Gutts would be overall relatable to some war veterans, other than that, no, only a few aspects of him would be shared by the readership of Berserk, e.g. his shyness and reservedness in joining the band of the hawk.

most of the readership of berserk would be nothing like him in terms of character.

how can you look at the way Gutts' approaches mortal peril and think "wow, I see so much of myself in him"
what a dumb fucking retard you are.
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>>144493125
Have you seen an anime with a middle ground MC? Most anime is shit and most MCs tend to fall into those 2 categories.
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>>144493012
Also, /a/ keeps confusing the bland archetype MC for self-insert characters and that is just wrong because it's almost always never the case. Pic related is a confirmed self-insert character.
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someone post the suffering chart!
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>>144493073
>Furthermore there is no justification for Subaru's strong feelings towards Rem and Ram when he said he loved them
Subaru was about to run away with Beatrice when he remembered the hand holding thing and realized that they weren't heartless monsters. So, he committed suicide in that loop to amend their view of him and also to stop Rem dying due to the shaman dog bite.
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>>144493125
it's not really, but the MC is supposed to be a special snowflake of sorts. He's either very "this" or very "that". If he's in-between, he's just mediocre, and that's not very special.
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>>144493231
Joseph Joestar
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>>144493220
look at this beta male who can't self-insert into guts. fucking gaylord kill yourself
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>>144489182
He's nothing like Shinji, Shinji was smart enough to run away from his problems.
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>>144493297
I've seen someone that suffers a lot more and there are people that wish they were him. Subaru is still a shitty self insert character. See how in the latest episode the author actually used Subaru to show how girls treat him in real life. It super obvious.
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>>144493365
You mean the guy that constantly asspulled his way past all his enemies?
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>>144493347
Isn't the point of harem that the MC is so neutral and forgettable you can project yourself into his position?
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>>144493231
Edward Elric.
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>>144491084
Maybe that's because Madoka tells it's story in 12 episodes instead of 24.
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>>144493432
yes, but re: zero isn't harem. even for non-harem anime, the MC is either leans towards being an overpowered Gary Stu who's love and respected by all or a loser like Subaru without special abilities and desirable traits who most characters don't really care about (except for Rem, for some reason).
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>>144492971
Story of my life.
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How do I become more like Reinhart?
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The fact that re zero is popular just shows at what state the anime industry is in. The people who buy shit are the otakus who most of the time are cynical bastards with no female contact.
This gets reflected in the anime we see nowadays, cause they have all the buying power. Only a few studios get the chance to work on something they enjoy and still make a few bucks.l
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>>144491084
The thing is Madoka is plot driven and not character driven.

Until Rebellion, Madoka's characters were not really fleshed out.
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>>144493412
Jojo fights is chuck norris-tier anyway and that's what makes it funny, no need to focus on that but Joseph's character tend to repel otaku self-inserts.
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>>144493630
I'm not suggesting re zero is harem, I just mean there's room for MC's who are average and mediocre, not special snowflakes
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>>144493741
It's a good thing White Fox enjoy making Re:Zero then hey
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Is there uncensored version? I remember ep1 was censored shit.
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>>144493630
The fact that a loser neet has so many female friends in this fantasy world is enough to be called a harem. Its so obvious to whom it panders too.
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>>144493630
Exactly. But it shouldn't have to be that way. You can write a flawed character and still make that character interesting.

But Subaru has no redeemable qualities. Even his "good" qualities like his caring nature come of as generic, shallow, and don't really redeem him in any way.

The anime went half way in making an interesting character. It would have been great to see a powerless human without any special abilities survive and struggle. But right now, Subaru feels one dimensional at best and the reasons why he went so far were mostly due to plot conveniences and, in episode 16, characters spoon feeding him information for whatever reason.
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>>144488178
>anti self insert
for you
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>>144493833
when you ignore his "return by death" ability and the fact that he has an affinity for dark magic (which he can't control): that's pretty much what Subaru is supposed to be; just an ordinary guy without special properties. He's obviously going to change drastically throughout the series due to "character development" but Subaru is supposed to be an average guy.

But everyone in the comments section complains about him being weak or useless despite the fact. If you took an ordinary person and dumped them into an isekai setting/RPG world, they'd be useless too. Subaru is what he was written to be.
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>>144493963
Emilia left him, and the only female friend has he has left is Rem.
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>>144493966
>Even his "good" qualities like his caring nature come of as generic, shallow, and don't really redeem him in any way.
I get a feeling that a lot of it is just him imitating his favorite anime protagonists.
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>>144493966
It's just that some people like the "suffering" and the "edginess" of the show/ln

I for one found it too overbearing.
They're lingering too much on Toyota's frailties it's becoming tiring for me the viewer to see him repeating the same mistakes over and over.

For me they needed to balance the failures with some victories, some change in Toyota that signifies that he's learning something from the loops. It just seems that Toyota takes one steps forward and then two steps backward with them loops because of the LN "plot".

If you've played Dark Souls it's similar to those "Artificial difficulty" complaints that separates the good sections which are difficult but fair to the shit sections that are just gank squads.
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So do i have to take it that the majority of /a/ thinks that re:zero is a good show with a good main cast and a well written plot. A 7or 8 out of 10 show to be exact?
Then this place is just as bad reddit cause these guys seem to love it too.
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>>144494174
And you think that will stay that way? She is still connected to him and will stay.
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>>144494251
The next few episodes should have a fair few victories.
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>>144494290
No. It's much of an edgefest as Tokyo: Ghoul but with a different kind of conceit.

People who honestly think Toyota is a "different and interesting" character need to watch more anime and read more literature.

I think most of the viewers are sticking with it just because of muh waifus now.
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>>144494356
Even so, even if Emilia forgave him that's still only 2 female friends. It's got a cutesy artstyle and harem feel but it's not a harem at all.
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>>144494290
What's with the retarded "This other website likes it so I can't!" mentality that people on /a/ have? I'm sure people on reddit like your favourite anime too so just make up your own mind on what you like rather than caring what different userbases think.
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>>144493963
>friends
I haven't read the web novel because I can't find it but i dont know if Subaru considers anyone to be his friends besides Rem and Emelia. The royal candidates and their subordinates don't seem to particularly care for him.

>Its so obvious to whom it panders too.
yes, it is; a male audience who don't want a sausagefest in their novels. most light/web novels written by men tend to have a lot of female characters.

>>144493966
Subaru's character is still in the process of changing. The Subaru from episode 16 is not the Subaru from episode 1.
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>>144494290
>being so beta that you don't like certain media because of your burning need to be a contrarian
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>>144494290
desu I think it has some likeable characters that really carries the show.
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>>144494482
Ahh summer.
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>>144494482
I dont care either way, just saw a lot of people here despising reddit but it seems their tastes seem to be the same, i find both awful.
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>>144494290 (You)
>hey guys please feed my confirmation bias xdd
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To be honest Subaru shouldn't even be suffering because he has that respawn shit. The only scary thing about death is that you can never wake up from it. Pain is just a normal process in life. And enough pain to cause death is just instant. I see no reason for Subaru to even suffer this much of a mental breakdown.
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ITT:
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE
>cuck
>beta
>haremfag
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>>144494555
Only newfags call summer
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>>144494691
you'll fit in one day, anon.
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>>144494713
Only summer call newfags.
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>>144494532
I dont like certain media cause it sucks straight up, not much to say. I thought /a/ would hold itself to a higher standard but they are just as bad. Knowing that shit like that is what sells and is liked is quiet disapoiting but thats anime.
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>>144494614
I dont think you know what that word means kiddo.
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>>144494756
No but really I'm not new or summer so don't bully pls
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>>144494817
Here's your (You)
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>>144494884
No really the go back to __________
has always been in the /a/ lingo.
May it be SA, Gaia, Reddit or /v/.
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>>144494124
Not true. See: >>144493095

Subaru is a prideful, self-centered person.
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>>144494771
>I thought /a/ would hold itself to a higher standard
What higher standard? Anime is entertainment and people watch what they're entertained by, it's very simple.
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Why is edge of edges sake praised in Re:Zero isnt that lazy writing and manipulative. Having all these cute girls so you care for them from the get go only to make them suffer, a character who acts like a retard, who can reset his life but only uses it when the plot demands it. I cant imagine this being any good.
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>>144495072
Because /v/.
This anime doesn't even add anything to the database of anime nor does it refine,renew or redefine archetypes.
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>>144495072
>when the plot demands it

Tell me, how the fuck does this work? As far as I'm concerned, this is nothing but a meme that half of /a/ fell for.
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>>144494987
But thats not what i saw here, the moment i see someone mentioning reddit or mal people flip their shit and call them casuals with shit taste.
Almost everytime.
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>>144494662
>Pain is just a normal process in life
Man, its no wonder painful torture techniques never actually work, or drive people mad should they survive!
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what do you niggers know about suffering

I bet none of you was locked inside a giant fucking robot with your insane mother's soul begging you to die with her
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>>144494517
Yes, I agree. His character is still in the process of changing but the implications and the method of that change is unsatisfactory.
He has managed to overcome difficulties through plot conveniences, to be honest. Furthermore there is no self reflection with him. We constantly see him fall back into the same annoying and irritating habits. Now that's not to say he shouldn't as sometimes characters develop slowly but combine that with the lack of self reflection on his part and it doesn't feel like Subaru is moving forward or developing.
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>>144495197
Because they're most likely new.
Anyway, the point was that you would have to be massively insecure to not like something solely based on the fact that another group of people also like it.
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>>144495195
Its forced drama, all these restrictions the mc has so he cant further the plot. He doesnt even try to think outside the box and use his ability to his advantage. Even Tom Cruise did that better.
How can i feel drama or tention when i kow the character just resets afterwards. Yet they focus so much on the violence but for what? Its just bullshit writing all around.
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>>144495197
You compare Re:Zero against other Isekai anime.

I doubt people can name me 5 Isekai anime better than Re:Zero.
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Why was the foot-lady so mad at Subaru?
Because he is a foot-fag? Man, what is wrong with that bitch, it is just a fetish like any other.
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>>144495373
>lelel lo XD, people should completely change in the lapse of one month, look at me, I don't know how people work in the real world.
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>>144488791
>there's some jokes here and there while the story doesn't progress at all?
Sounds like Re Zero.
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>>144495442
Because he's pathetic and she thought he might be better than that.
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>>144494987
I think it's a matter of not eating shit when it's served to you, anon.
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>>144495393
Yea thats true i dont like that either. Like what you like dont let the fandoms sway your opinions on it.
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>>144490236
>because that's how empathy works.
Self-insert is about the authors, empathy has jack shit to do with the concept.
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>>144495275
Maybe you should read the rest of my post. Pain that can cause death are usually instant and with a body that can reset itself, the pain will usually be gone. Subaru as of the anime didn't even manage to get more than 20 resets. With enough feeling of pain it will usually just feel like second nature to you. Psychological pain is just stupid as hell for Subaru. You can fucking reset. You know what's actually worse. No matter how many time you reset, you can never change the outcome of someone's destiny that usually is death. That is something that should cause horrible pain. But Subaru wouldn't even encounter that pain because he is a pussy ass bitch.
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>>144495515
You know what's "shit" is figurative and subjective, right? It's what a lot of people on this fucking board don't realize.
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>>144488178
ITT: The same ESLs that argue that Touma, Shirou, and Takeru aren't self-inserts
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>>144495394
You're acting as if anyone can simply cope with dying. Subaru isn't a character from a Tom Cruise movie. In case you haven't noticed, he isn't the strongest character. The act of dying must be extremely traumatizing in itself. You can't exactly self-insert yourself into that.
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>>144495478
You completely misunderstood the point. I'm fine with struggle and failure. But the show fails to represent an individual who's trying and when it does it feels one dimensional and fake. This is because of Subaru's lack of self awareness.
My point is that the problem lies in presentation. People have pointed out his similarities with Shinji previously. Note that Shinji's struggles and failures were presented much better than those of Subaru's.
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>>144488178
Why are there so many retards on /a/ ?
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>>144495515
But you cannot escape from the fact that anime is entertainment. Everything else comes after that fact.

If you don't enjoy Re:zero or any other anime that's okay, but what isn't okay is pretending like it's objectively and absolutely bad.
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>>144495729
Because it is objectively bad.
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>>144495571
Seems like you are not paying attention to the show.
At this moment, Subaru basically loves everyone around him because of his insecure nature. He still feels pain and doesn't want to feel it. He doesn't control "his" power, so he doesn't actually know if he can respawn indefinitely. So, bacause he doesn't know if he'll be able to reset he doesn't want the people to die, nor he does know where the checkpoint will be. So the deaths of his "beloved" ones still affect him.
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>>144495421
Juuni Kokuki
Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku
Escaflowne
Rayearth
Noein
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I feel like this series isn't even terrible or good. But some reason it's popular among normalfags around me.
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>>144495751
Yeah, it has a good rating on MAL. Anything that MAL and Reddit likes is shit.
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>>144495729
I enjoy parts of Re:zero but just because I enjoy it doesn't mean I can't recognize its flaws.
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>>144493125
You talk like its anyones here fault.

Those are the common options because those are we are given to read/watch.

We dont write the stories here anon, thd nips do. And surprise, that's what nips find popular and interesting.
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>>144495571
Exactly, the drama should come from him using his resets but not being able to change anything. How the fuck is this guy getting so mad about this waifu girl rem dying if he can just die and try again. I thought he is a neet otaku, thats like the bascis of games like that.
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>>144495715
>This is because of Subaru's lack of self awareness.
Isn't that a pretty major flaw on its own?
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As much as I'm enjoying it right now, I'm not going to say Re:Zero has an amazing story. I like it, and I'm loving how well the anime is produced, but the story does have some flaws.
However, most of what /a/ complains about is either absolute horseshit, or just idiots who can't pay attention for the life of them.
>>144495571
I did read the rest of your post, it simply doesn't apply to Subaru at all. "Enough pain to cause death is usually instant" is factually wrong first of all, but we won't even get into that because to begin with, virtually none of the deaths he has suffered were the type to instantly kill you in the first place. This statement literally cannot be applied to his story. Subaru's deaths, with the exception of four out of what, nearly 20? They were ALL the kind were you live and suffer for what would feel like hours to you. People can go crazy from feeling that type of pain even ONE time, and furthermore, having been in great pain before doesn't mean it just becomes nothing to you if you go through it again. Torture literally wouldn't fucking work otherwise. When a person stops feeling pain or no longer cares about it, its an abnormality, typically caused by them losing their goddamn minds. It's not a normal thing and the only idiot who would think otherwise is someone who has no knowledge of how pain/mental suffering works and or has never felt serious pain in their life.
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>>144493365
Joseph isn't, Jonathan is.
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>>144495859
He doesn't control the checkpoints, they can change to any point in time at any time whatsoever. That's why he thinks of it as a curse instead of an advantage.
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>>144495840
There have been shows that defy these faults.
I'm not blaming anyone.
I'm saying that it doesn't have to be only these two options.
Also, what is found to be popular and interesting is dictated not by the people producing entertainment but by the consumer.
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>>144495373
>He has managed to overcome difficulties through plot conveniences
He doesn't have much of a choice at this point. He literally has no skill or talent for fighting.

>>144495373
>Furthermore there is no self reflection with him. We constantly see him fall back into the same annoying and irritating habits.
Maybe those habits are annoying and irritating for you, but Subaru is constantly thinking about how to prevent "bad ends" like his previous deaths, even going as far as to (temporarily?) change his mentality and methods.

>it doesn't feel like Subaru is moving forward or developing
Key word here is "feel". Subaru may be immature but he's constantly looking for a way to move forward while finding a way to save everybody from dying. Yes, his mentality is that of a teenager but guess what; he IS a teenager. Subaru is a "well-written" character but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a "good" character.
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>>144493963
>harem now means having friends

Never change /a/
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>>144495859
>How the fuck is this guy getting so mad about this waifu girl rem dying if he can just die and try again.

Rem isn't his waifu. But the main problem here is another one.
You would never get used to see people who you love being tortured and killed, even though maybe you can avoid that fate in another loop. Be realistic anon.
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>>144495894
Yes, because we are presented with a character who have no redeeming qualities that allow for him to persevere and develop as a character in a meaningful and believable way.
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>>144495859
>How the fuck is this guy getting so mad about this waifu girl rem dying
I legitimately think half this board is autists who have 0 emotional intelligence.
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>>144495951
It's because he's still operating under the same mindset that the fact that he was sent to another world means that he is "special and has hax mc status".

He is still taking things for granted that events would fall into place magically because he is a selected character from another world.
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>>144495324
Asuka suffers more in the manga for being a test tube baby
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>>144495695
Thats why you shouldnt write in a dumb mechanic like that into your story. The author only put that in so he can make his characters suffer as much as possible before he kills them off and reset so you guys can get your sufferng porn again. I get that that might be entertaining but its completely manipulative bad writing if you look a little bit deeper into the plot.
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>>144495773
Death is instant. Pain is temporary. The moment you die the pain will be gone. A lot of characters that have respawn powers don't know if their powers will suddenly stop. That's a moot point. Also, as I said he have the power to respawn. His death will cause everyone that die just minutes ago be alive.
Because you think I don't know what I'm talking about I will explain to you. I will keep this simple.
>Subaru knows he can respawn
>Subaru knows about the moving checkpoint
>he should know that the checkpoint moves after a big event is over
>he should also know that it usually involves half-elf
>with this he basically knows the rules of his respawn
With just this he shouldn't have suffer as badly as he is right now. So, the conclusion is that Subaru is only suffering because he is an idiot.
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>>144494290
Reminder that reddit likes your favorite anime anon
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>>144496087
You don't even know the plot.
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>>144496141
to be fair, he's only experienced the moving checkpoint twice.
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>>144496141
>>Subaru knows about the moving checkpoint
>>he should know that the checkpoint moves after a big event is over
>>he should also know that it usually involves half-elf
>>with this he basically knows the rules of his respawn


Ahahahaha. No.
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Holy shit, why do you fags still shitting on Subaru? Did you suddenly forget that he was betrayed by someone he trusted, and forced to redo everything with his first impression on someone forever tainted by traumatic incidents? Not to mention to lose all progress when things went a little better.
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The problem is we don't know anything about Toyota's past self to judge how he should be reacting.

If he was an analytical neet then I would agree with this
>>144496141

But we don't know much about him outside of what we see him doing now.
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>>144496023
>He doesn't have much of a choice at this point. He literally has no skill or talent for fighting.
There's a thing called being even somewhat rational or intelligent.
>Maybe those habits are annoying and irritating for you, but Subaru is constantly thinking about how to prevent "bad ends" like his previous deaths, even going as far as to (temporarily?) change his mentality and methods.
That isn't self reflection or self awareness. His thinking doesn't go beyond "trying to avoid the problem."
>Key word here is "feel". Subaru may be immature but he's constantly looking for a way to move forward while finding a way to save everybody from dying. Yes, his mentality is that of a teenager but guess what; he IS a teenager. Subaru is a "well-written" character but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a "good" character.
That key word is important because it separates what the series it telling you and what is actually happening. The series can always emphasize him bond with Rema and Ram in the beginning of the 2nd arc but it doesn't mean that bond was there. Presentation is important.
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>>144493966
Subaru wants to be liked and belong which is why the show intentionally portrays him as trying to hard to be nice.

He has a lot of redeeming qualities other than being caring which isn't as shallow as you claim (remembering the hopes and dreams of all the kids in that village) like living every life to it's fullest to work his way out of loops, heroics even before he realized he could reset and that one moment at the end of episode 10 where he has cannot hit Rem because for a brief moment she calms down after catching her sister.

In episode 13 when he's having the argument with Emilia, when she asks why he's acting recklessly on her behalf he originally says he can't repay her for what she's done for him, things like saving him in the alleyway and taking him in but because it had happened in a loop that she can't remember he decides to go with the dreaded "nice guy" line because he's desperate.

Now what motivates him as noted by Crusch is revenge not purely because he wants to save people but because he wants to murder Betelgeuse.
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>>144496229
And both of them are big events that cause his waifu to die. It's pretty obvious. You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure that out.
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>>144496029
Of course you would not but does it have ot get repeated that often in the story? Show us one time how much he cares for his waifu and its good. Repeat that several times again and you are just doing it for the suffering boner. And when i look at what people like the most about zero its the suffering boner they get from it.
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>>144496311

But those rules are anon's fantasies.
Subaru knows nothing about his power. And I can tell you those rules are wrong.
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How does the witch curse work? Why can Subaru talk about his kei-tai and Witch Cult attacking the mansion but can't say shit about the re-run ability?
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>>144496364

There's plenty of episodes with world building without any death.
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>>144496035
Yea cause RE zero is such a masterpiece of writing right?
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>>144496344
But you're fucking wrong. You're trying to decide the rules of the resets by two examples with poor knowledge and you are INCORRECT. The season ending is going to show you how retarded it would be to go with that logic, and why Subaru would (is going to) suffer for it. So as it turns out, nah, you're not smarter than him and would fuck yourself just as hard in this world.
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>>144496449

It's better written and thought than some anons think. Sadly some comments seem too stupid to be real.
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>>144496186
I dont mind that, but /a/ should mind or so i thought thats why i asked.
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>>144496213
There is no plot to begin with.
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>>144496383
Those rules are based on observation that Subaru should have been able to do. Who cares about the witch moving the checkpoints because of jealousy shit. Subaru doesn't know that yet. I don't care if it isn't really a loop but just parallel universe. I don't care if someone else can respawn too. I don't fucking care about the with smell that get stronger everytime he respawn that only a super select few can even notice. I don't care if the rules may change later. But doing nothing because you're scared about something is just pure ludicrous. Not taking any risk is the biggest risk of all.
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>>144496504
Indeed they are writing their own rules and they think to be smarter than the MC when they know NOTHING about how the power works. Thery should wait the end of the series at least. They are only embarrassing themselves.
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>>144496586

Again, you are writing your own rules and forcing them into the plot when you are completely wrong. Oh my.
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>>144496141
Ok, what I see is that you actually are not paying attention to the show, basically negating its narrative and imposing your own on it. You don't know the character personality that's been shown to us, not knowing the checkpoint has only moved 3 times. Also ignoring the fact that not even us know the rules of his respawn. Discarting pain as an actual barrier and ignoring the randomness of the checkpoint.
Please, put on your tripcode so I can filter you.
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>>144488879
>edgy
I bet to you anything remotely dark or tragic is 'edgy' right?
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>>144496141
You speak as if you know what it feels like to lose half your body, have you organs fall out of your belly, get your throat cut before being emotionally destroyed, walk through a genocide of people you care about, have your loved ones fight to death to save your life while you are unable to do anything.

You fucking retard.
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>>144496335
>rational or intelligent
Subaru is only average because that's what he's supposed to be

>self reflection or self awareness
elaborate on what would you have him do and be as specific as possible. what's the difference between your ideal Subaru and the modern Subaru?
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>>144496335
For one, not abusing "Returns by Death" is pretty fucking smart. The show explains why abusing it would be a bad idea. Anons in this thread have explained why it's a bad idea. You're just retarded, ESL-kun.

>His thinking doesn't go beyond "trying to avoid the problem."

What's the problem with that? Subaru was a NEET before the plot happened. He's not MacGyver, and he's in a world where anything can kill him with ease.
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>>144496504
Yes I try to make the rules based on what Subaru knew. That's stupid of me. Should have used my power as the reader and just read out the rules right? You're a fucking idiot. the rules I listed out was an assumption that Subaru could use to follow. Establishing rules like that will usually give you more confident in doing something. Giving Subaru the confidence to actually try to die for a happier tomorrow.
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First SAO and now Re Zero the anime community collectively likes bad stuff it seems.
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>>144496691
If its edgy for the sake of being edgy yea that its bad or just not good.
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>>144496586

So you think it would be smarter killing himself over and over again, randomly. Perfect logic.
I don't even.
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>>144496712
No I don't. But what me and Subaru knows is that respawning can make all of that go away. Now please tell me why I shouldn't continue to abuse my power without using if scenarios as answers.
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>>144496737

Your post is completely idiotic nonsense.
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>>144496744
>First SAO
>first

fuck off newfag
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>>144496820
Not randomly you fucking dumbass. Just based on the rules that Subaru can establish. Narrowing the option of what I don't know could happen. For example, he can lives out his life away for the rest of them only to die of old age and respawning back to the same time. But he doesn't know that because he's scared to try.
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>>144496833
>But what me and Subaru knows is that respawning can make all of that go away.

And you lose also all your relationship progress, any reason to exist.
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>>144496833
We don't know how strong the smell can become and what creatures or freaks it can attract.
Your idea is stupid because if the smell cannot be reversed and freaks come after him, he is fucked forever stuck in a death loop for all eternity.
Also i guess dying is always scary and painful.
How can you assume that he doesn't have a limit to his respawning?
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>>144496941
>Just based on the rules that Subaru can establish.

THERE ARE NOT RULES HE CAN ESTABLISH. Anon, stop embarrassing yourself and follow the anime or drop it if you are not able ti understand some simple facts.
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>>144496942
Which you can establish back and you now know how to establish them better and faster. Please any other reason?
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>>144488652
If he's so useful why is he a fucking neet?

His character makes no sense.
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>>144496737
Yes, it is stupid of you, because who the fuck would try to abuse something as ridiculous as Return by Death with so little information? He has experienced only TWO "loops", and the conditions for his checkpoints were completely different. One checkpoint involved fending off the Bowel Eater and saving Emilia, the other was saving Rem and an entire village from man-eating dogs. The only similarity here is fending off some kind of boss.
So lets say Subaru did decide to go by your logic. In THIS loop, what does he have to go by? If his previous checkpoints were caused by solving some huge event, what is the current event going on now that he should solve? Saving the entire village a second time from the witch cult sounds like a good bet, and he's been trying to do so but nobody will help him. How's he gonna pull it off? How would YOU pull it off, since you'd evidently be so confident now that you believe you know the rules?
Also, why the fuck would knowing the rules of the reset make you stop caring for the people you love if they get murdered right in front of you? Or make you no longer respond to pain you're feeling? Just wondering.
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>>144497029
He said useless
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>>144496820
Why does everyone thing that dying is like a walk in the park? Honestly, we have one retard talking about litteral torture/pain and death being not that big a deal and something Subaru should be able to just forget.

And now we have this moron talk as if dying is the easiest thing in the world. The guy doesn't know anything about his damn power and it's not something he can just toy with. Even if his respawing is endless, there is nothing that confirms this.
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>>144497005
Yes they are. He can respawn is one. His checkpoint moves is two. He can't tell anyone about his powers is three. His checkpoint change based on something is four. What he doesn't know is why is his checkpoint moving.
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>>144497013
>Which you can establish back and you now know how to establish them better and faster.

It's not true since the situation isn't always identical.
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>>144496719
He doesn't seem average. In fact he seems really stupid.

I'm okay with him struggling and failing and being emotionally torn from his constant failures.

However this is a person who makes a mistake doesn't even think about that mistake, faces consequences and makes that mistake again.

This is due to a lack of his character complexity. It's not only a problem with him but with most characters in the series.

Perhaps what bothered me most was his stupidity in the palace.

Because Subaru lacks any redeeming qualities, whatever character development he has is obtained in not a very meaningful and believable way.

He isn't realistic in that sense.
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>>144497029
>uselesness
>useful
Go do your homework before your mom gets angry.
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Wait till its over and judge the series then. No use arguing when it almost has half a season to go.
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>>144496833
For one, a lot of the problems he's had up until arc 3 could be easily solved without having to kill yourself every time. Plus, you can learn a lot more from staying alive longer. He found out about the while whale by not killing himself after he fucked up so badly in the negotiations.

There's nothing dumb about trying to solve the problem without having to kill yourself each time.
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>>144497093
>And now we have this moron talk as if dying is the easiest thing in the world
That post was an ironic post, not a serious one.
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>>144497140
>asking /a/ not to argue

I agree with you but there's no way that will happen.
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>just throw a MC who gets fucked over and over and it suddenly becomes a top tier anime with a relatable character

Ah, the good ol' empathy meme. Truly a beautiful sight to gaze at.
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>>144497106
>his checkpoints changed based on something
>something
And he doesn't know what that something IS, therefore trying to abuse his respawns would be stupid. You know what else we know? Abusing his respawns would increase the witch smell and him, and we have no idea what the consequences of that would be. Considering this world has countless shitlords who can mop the floor with him, the idea of abusing his power is even stupider.
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This has already been done. Subaru is a Shinji clone. And they are doing a pretty good job, /a/ hates Subaru.
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>>144488178
>anti self insert
This is the new deconstruction meme?
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>>144497106
>He can respawn is one.

Not sure there's not a limit.

>His checkpoint moves is two.

Not sure it works like that.

>He can't tell anyone about his powers is three.

The only sure thing.

>His checkpoint change based on something is four.

Nothing sure about it.

Pure nonsense, anon.
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>>144497057
Big events yes. Now what big events are there? Save Emilia. Save villagers. And now defeat cult and big whale. He have three options.
having some set goal you can try to accomplish wouldn't make you stop caring but just make you more at ease because you know you can just FUCKING RESET. Rem getting her existence erased and the checkpoint moving forward was and will be one of the clue as to why it move. Using that we know how and when it moves and can make further conclusion.
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>>144497274
Shinji is an example of how to properly write Subaru though.
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Idiots who say that Subaru is not well written and that he should have figured out his "power" are observing Subaru with the eye of the reader giving them a bigger perspective than the one Subaru has and are using that as the starting point to solve the problems.
They are not using Subaru's POV.
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>>144497274
But at least Subaru doesn't sit in a corner crying for half the show
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>>144497338

I think Shinji is worse written than Subaru.
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>>144497117
He never see's it as a mistake because of his pride, he instead wants to prove it isn't one.
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>>144488376
>shut-in NEET being transported to a fantasy world
Can't wait for this fad to fuck off and die tbqh. Why can't a fantasy anime just BE in a fantasy world, instead of having a Japanese schoolboy whisked away from his boring life? Do otaku have no imagination?
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Subaru has Satella's blessing. He is being used to create a scenario that benefits the witch the most. It is not a coincidence that he has a raging boner for commie elf.
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I really like this show together with the anti self insert MC and the non existant forced over animation I feel like they are doing a pretty good job. The deconstruction vibe of the isekai genre I'm feeling is just sublime!
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>>144497411
Okay, but that makes him an irredeemable character. How are we expected to believe that he grows as an individual without any necessary qualities in him that yearn for self improvement. There is a lack of an internal struggle.
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>>144497229
Please, as I said a lot respawners don't know when and how their powers work. It's a moot point because as we have seen his powers never stopped before. Only a super select few can even notice the smell. It isn't a problem then and it still hasn't been a problem.
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>>144497494
>There is a lack of an internal struggle.

Why do you think his actions are so confused?
Because of an internal struggle.
Do you need inner monologues so bad?
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So spoil me, is he going to get killed by the whale?
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>>144488178
I would rather watch self-inserts vicariously living out the life I can never live than to see the realistic repercussions. If wanted to see the horrible truth of bad guys always winning, I would just watch the news.
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>>144497498
>It's a moot point because as we have seen his powers never stopped before.

So what?
I still would not take the risk, you are just saying that because you are not him and you don't care wether he respawns or not.

>Only a super select few can even notice the smell. It isn't a problem then and it still hasn't been a problem.

Rem noticed it and killed him once.
Betelgeuse smelled it too and he does not look like someone who you want to hang out with.
Sure few people can smell it, but those who can are all undpredictable psychos or freaks.
You are making no sense
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>>144497559
Yes you dumbass. It's obvious.
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>>144497117
>However this is a person who makes a mistake doesn't even think about that mistake, faces consequences and makes that mistake again.
"What mistake are you talking about? Please be more specific." is what I want to say but making the same mistakes and not realizing it seems about right for a character like Subaru.

>Perhaps what bothered me most was his stupidity in the palace.
Subaru is a teenage boy from modern Japan. He doesn't know anything about formalities in another world. Although what he did was immature and ignorant, his actions reflect his character and thus he is well written. It's fine to not like Subaru as a character; there's no rule saying that you need to.
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>>144497552
His actions are confused because he's actually stupid.
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>>144497327
>He has three options
And absolutely no idea about what to do towards any of them. He has no allies, no resources, no power. I asked how would you approach this, since you're so ready, not what the endgoals are. I already said he needs to save the village and Emilia, but HOW?
>having some set goal you can try to accomplish wouldn't make you stop caring but just make you more at ease because you know you can just FUCKING RESET
Then you have absolutely no reason to complain and are just bitching for nothing. Subaru literally did exactly that during the mansion arc. He knew he could reset, and tried to use some of his lives to gather information so he could make a clean victory. It didn't make anything that happened less shocking, less painful, or less terrifying for him, because this mentality will not prepare you for unknowns.

Simply put, as if where the anime is right now, applying your logic to Subaru as a complaint makes no sense whatsoever. He is literally doing what you believe he should do, but you simply don't like his methods, in spite of the fact that you probably couldn't do any better.
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>>144497627
It doesn't make him well written as a protagonist. If he wasn't MC we would look at Subaru as the incompetent fool.

Shinji is probably the best example of a well written character similar to Subaru.
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>>144497611
If he were to really care for himself, he wouldn't even be in the situation. Just run. But he didn't. It's obvious from day one that he can an will sacrifice himself for other people. Death is actually a blessing for him.

As I said, only a super select few. He's going to get notice of them anyway after killing whale. What's the point of even trying to hide the smell anymore. There's a point where he can't hide the smell anymore and he had already crossed that line a long time ago.
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>>144497639

Oh my. Drop the show, or wait for the episode 18 at least, where you'll get what you want. Self-reflection. And you will be surprised because Subaru admits to have all the faults many anons hate about him. He thinks to be useless. He thinks to be selfish. He says he is used to blame the others for his failures because of his pride. He wears a mask as a clown when he interacts with other people just because he isn't able to interact properly. He hates himslef deeply.
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>>144497736
Many of us do look at Subaru as an incompetent fool. I agree that he's incompetent, and he's ignorant about the world around him, but I don't think he's a "fool", just "an average guy who doesn't know shit".
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>>144488178
Literally the worst MC of any anime I've watched. He has no redeeming qualities and is so fucking annoying.
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>>144497752
>If he were to really care for himself, he wouldn't even be in the situation.

I heard that there is a curse that attracts him to Emilia, don't know if it's true.

>It's obvious from day one that he can an will sacrifice himself for other people. Death is actually a blessing for him.

That is retarded.
He want to save others and death is something that happens to him.
If he had not had the power to respawn he would not take so many chances.
He still does not know if he will respawn again, so in a certain sense he takes risks.

>As I said, only a super select few. He's going to get notice of them anyway after killing whale. What's the point of even trying to hide the smell anymore. There's a point where he can't hide the smell anymore and he had already crossed that line a long time ago.

But the smell gets stronger anon, so even worse freaks will find him.
It's not hard to understand that the few who can smell it are the ones you don't want to meet.
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>>144488178
If anyone has ever used the term "edgy" to describe this anime, their IQ is sub-110.
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>>144497494
In episode 14 and 16, he sucks up his pride for other people and to save others.
In 14 he's depressed, attempting to come to terms with how pathetic he is and probably thinking about leaving, it's only after he's talks to others and gets into arguments does he return to thinking he was right.
In 16 after Betelguese demonstrates that he's pathetic by himself, he drops his pride to beg for help when he refused to accept any in 14. His conversation with Anastasia ends with him actually mad at himself instead of just everyone else, he realizes he actually needs to improve and he keeps her lesson in mind later in that episode.
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>>144497667
Because his methods are stupid. First thing I would do when transported there, i wouldn't get myself killed but we all know that Subaru isn't that smart. And that's the reason I don't like Subaru, because he is an idiot. You don't be mad at people when negotiating. You smile. You don't just blurt everything out from your mouth. You shouldn't just stand have shown all your cards when negotiating. When making a deal you get it in writing. Even if he was a hikkineet, he shouldn't be this stupid.
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>>144497852
That sounds great. But so far the show hasn't emphasized that. It hasn't played with the themes of his inner turmoil.

My qualms aren't really with Subaru but with how the show presents his development as a character.
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>>144497498
>Please, as I said a lot respawners don't know when and how their powers work. It's a moot point because as we have seen his powers never stopped before
>a lot respawners don't know when and how their powers work. It's a moot point
So let me get this straight. Because YOU, a person who has absolutely nothing to do with his story, has seen/read a lot of books, movies, anime etc. where characters looping endlessly is apparently A-okay, Subaru, the fictional character who has never been confirmed to have seen a large amount of such stories, should just charge with the utmost condifence because fuck it "If those guys could die endlessly, so can I!"
>Only a super select few can even notice the smell. It isn't a problem then and it still hasn't been a problem.
The anime has only three arcs so far. In this time, Subaru hasn't been in this world for even one month. In said less than one month, two people have smelled it, and both of them were huge problems who could slaughter him like a lamb. The second can slaghter an entire goddamn town and kill the 1st without even moving. But Subaru is supposed to not care what the witch smell might attract if he makes it grow too strong?
Shit anon, I don't even know where to continue with you.
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>>144497956
Anyone who watches anime at all has an IQ under 80.
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>>144490128
what is shitposting and frogshit?
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>subaru is a prideful egoist at heart
If you think this is correct, you either have autism or an escapism problem. Please get yourself checked, you are unable to correctly rationalize other humans' actions.
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>>144493296
I might not fully agree with what you're trying to say, but I must say this is probably the most evident author self-insert even from the visual viewpoint alone.
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>>144498014

The show has been great exactly because it showed Subaru in a way that makes the audience see him like he sees himself
There are many different ways of storytelling.
This has been brilliant and original for this reason. They wanted you saw Subaru that way anon. It's intentional.
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>>144498008
He's getting increasingly desperate and frustrated, his stupid actions should not come as a surprise.
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>>144496833
Anon, pain goes away, but you should realize that pain is not always just physical. Subaru's death is not something he can just forget, it's not something he can ignore. That feeling is engraved in his being, but apart from pain Subaru has to deal with a lot of emotional pain. And if you can come out of that experienced without the slightest chance in your personality I'd consider you abnormal. But let me answer your question:

Could you honestly say that you are able or determined enough to rely on a power you have that can rewind time to a certain point in time when you were alive. You have no idea where this power comes from, or if it's even endless. You don't know it's conditions or it's rules. The only thing you know is how to activate it. Of course you could gain much from abusing this power but i am sure you'd chance in a bad way. Killing yourself over and over again is not something any normal person can or should do. It goes against everything Subaru or humans have learned, it goes agaist everything we stand for. Why do you thing he struggeld so much in the beginning, why he was not able to trow himself from that cliff. Anon, nobody can just 'abuse' a power like that so easily as you claim to be. And if you are anywhere sane in that head of your you'd find out that this is true.

But Subaru is changing (like most people would), having experienced so many death he's slowly growing num to the feeling. He's entering a stage where he might start abusing his power. Subaru's character would have been absolutly terrible if had been abusing his power from the beginning,it would have been shit writing to the max. But in contrast to that he said that he will live every life he has to it's fullest without relying on his power. AND this gave the possibility of a development where Subaru is actually going to start abusing his power.
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>>144497917
>character with no redeeming qualities you can comfortably self identify with
>the same as being badly written
Someone needs to do some self contemplation
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>>144488178
You mean like how there was a "glorious age" of weak-willed shounen heroes after Eva popularized the concept?

Face it, in a couple of years' time, y'all will be complaining about that too.
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>>144498179

And for this reason, if the adaptation of episode 18, From Zero, will be well done, it will be the best episode of the series.
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>>144498179
I'll have to wait and see how it plays out then. I've just been judging the show from what I saw up until ep 16.

That being said, there are still obvious problems with how all the other characters are portrayed.
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>>144497936
Yeah witch curse but he can actually ignore it. It's just that he is autistic and stuck with the first girl that was nice to him.
Yes and he never thinks about whether he can respawn again or not. It's you guys the fan that's actually adding this. It's really only after Rem vegie that he gets kind of aware but the problem isn't prevalent enough to make him stop. And that's the problem here.With his mindset he should have taken bigger risk with his power but he didn't. The fans tries to justify it with he scared that his powers would stop but the only thing really stopping him is the because he is a sensitive bitch. I bet he is one of those people that rides a bicycle with a helmet and knee and shoulder pads.
What's the point of hiding them any longer if people can already smell them. If those small level dipshit can smell it, you better bet that the big fish can already smell him.
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>>144498179
>The show has been great exactly because it showed Subaru in a way that makes the audience see him like he sees himself
This is supremely autistic holy shit, it's like a buzzword spun across an entire sentence
Please tell me what lead you to this conclusion
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This series is kind of entertaining.

I mean, sure, it's kind of childish and bullshit but then again it's aimed at teenagers so I don't know what you expect. I don't know what you expect overall from a medium that's pretty much the definite teenager bait.

Can you actually enjoy the middle-ground on anything? Every time I see discussion about ReZero, or other seasonal decently popular show, the discussion is always defense party against people who think it's total shit with no redeeming qualities. Is it even possible to discuss popular show in a way that ultimately amounts to anything else than shit flinging?
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>>144498008
OMG pls stop with it this meme: Oh I am so perfect and can do everyhting better then Subaru and keep my calm in every situation no matter what has happend to me and to the people I love or care about.
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Guys, someone is selling a '99 Impreza in my town. Is purchasing it a worthwhile investment, or would I be better off just getting a shit Corvid or Corolla? I want to know. Please.
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>>144498351
>Please tell me what lead you to this conclusion

The fact I know what happens later?
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>>144497956
Using 110 here is such a nice touch, would discuss anime with
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>>144498234
Did I say he was badly written? I said he has no redeeming qualities and is an overall idiot.
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>>144497559
Why the fuck was there a giant whale?
Also who is the big rat at the end of episode 15 and who is the daughter?
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>>144498291
I don't even think I can keep arguing.
You keep creating your own mental rules and applying them to Subaru just because you don't care what happens to him, since you are not him.
I stop here
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>>144498220
The real problem is that he acts like he knows shit about anime and manga but it pretty much goes away the next minute. He should have arrived in that stage much sooner.
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>>144488376
You missed the point
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>>144498456
Depends on the person anon, It's not something anyone can predict.
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>>144498437
He literally never said that he was scared his powers would stop. It's the fans that tries to justify with this. What he did say is that dying hurts a lot and remembering it scares him a lot. That's actually the real reason Subaru is scared.
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Why do you like this series? Honest question, help me to understand.
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>>144498425
>Literally the worst MC of any anime I've watched.
Which aspect were you addressing then if not the character as a whole?
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>snorts
>clears throat
>tips fedora
>scratch my ass
>fap to hentai
>re zero is shit

do i fit in yet?
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>>144498548
>He literally never said that he was scared his powers would stop.
He literally did worry about that. Rewatch the series and don't discuss it again until you're done.
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>>144498548
He actually did anon, he actually did.
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>>144498568
He's the worst as in he's just plain annoying and constantly fucks up. He can't follow an order for shit, I never said the character himself was badly written, in fact he's pretty well written for his purpose, getting people not to like him and see how much of a fuck up he is
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>>144498611
>re zero is shit
That's wrong anon. What you need to say is
>re zero is the most intellectual anime this year
>it's the Evangelion Madoka of anime
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>Book describes Subaru's power as "Power to overcome anything"
>People call him useless
You guys are funny
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>>144498611
Yes, welcome to /a/.
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>>144498660
>>144498662
When and where? Because he never did specially worry about his powers stop working. Stop making shit up.
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>>144498669
Oh I get it, it's like the king Joffrey thing
My bad
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>>144498761
Yeah, he's just not a likable character
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>>144498686
I swear, even ironical shitposting is getting worse as time passes.

Or then it's just these threads. Who knows really.
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Mob Psycho, in one episode, trumped Re:Zero's writing (and every other anime's writing from these past two seasons, on that note)

Episode 2 was even better. OP, you wanna know why you're wrong? Watch ep 1 and 2 of Mob.
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>>144498742
>When and where?
Arc 2

>Stop making shit up.
>n-no i cant be wrong stop it
Fucking kill yourself. Seriously, do everyone a favor and stop joining in on re:zero discussions.
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http://rezero.wikia.com/wiki/Natsuki_Subaru/Synopsis
So is the anime following the light novel or the web novel?
Cause the spoilers seem to be different than what's written here.
it seems rem got erased but subaru dies and resets back to before she got erased and they killed the whale without rem disappearing
So which is it?
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>>144498669
He gets shit done in the end that's what matters.
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>>144498742
If he thinks about whether or not his power has a limit, then yes it's implied he's worrying about it, especially because that would mean he can only fuck up so many times.

>>144498865
Don't try to start this shit.
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>>144498865
>ask a question
>"You're wrong."
wew
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>>144498869
>Arc 2
He never said anything like he was worrying. As I said stop making shit up. Unless you have a specific quote from either the LN, anime or manga about that specific worry. I won't even care enough to respond.

>>144498937
Worry about having a limit doesn't mean he worries about his power stopping. This comes from a guy that just changed his checkpoint.
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>>144498736
thanks
im from /v/

can i ask for sauce now without
>lurk for two more years
?
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>>144493012
>>144493296
>>144498390

only educated posts in this thread.
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>>144498742
In the Roswaal Mansion arc, like 2 or 3 deaths in, he mentions only going through 4 loops in the capital and worried about exceeding that number.
Now please formally apologize to all the anons here, physical paper and no pencil.
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>>144499043
>>144498858
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>>144488178
Re:Zero fags still trying to hard to pretend this shit isn't SAO.
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>>144499143
>2016
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>>144499034
>Worry about having a limit doesn't mean he worries about his power stopping
You can't possibly be this dumb. Are you really unable to make the connection that reaching the limit = powers stop working?
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>>144499143
But it isn't SAO, it's called Re:Zero
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>>144499180
both are self-insert garbage
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>>144493012
But that's just a definition pulled from mostly your arse. Even if "self-insert" wouldn't be strictly the right word, it's absolutely clear what's discussed here, as it's undeniable there exists character archetypes that offer for the viewer a character to insert into.

Arguing semantics when the topic is clear as this is just kind of silly and off-topic.
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>>144499034
He didn't want to die partly because he worried about his power's restrictions. This is a fact. A fact that goes against your earlier narrative. You can't backpedal beyond this point even if you try getting into the semantic difference between a "limit" and an "end." You are wrong.
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>>144493393
So are you saying more extreme suffering makes the character less of a self-insert?

What is going on in this thread?
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>>144499294
>But that's just a definition pulled from mostly your arse.

that's literally the official definition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-insertion

why are weebs so ignorant? they're fucking cancer
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I had someone tell me this show was shallow, and they dropped after episode 7...

But like shit like Kyoukai no Kanata.

They obviously have shit taste.
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>self insert characters
How does this work? Do you self insert as the protagonist, essentially replacing the actual MC? Or do you just imagine yourself controlling the MC?

Everyone's talking about self insert this and that and I don't even know what it means
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>>144499143
kill yourself
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>>144499393
Because anime is garbage.
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>>144499405
This is a dangerous post.
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>>144499118
I wasnt ironic about coming from /v/
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>>144499393
>"literally the official definition"
>links wikipedia
>calls others "ignorant" and "cancer"
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>>144499405
GOATBED new album when?
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>>144499266
>Crappy analogy
>"One character trait makes the series garbage"
I'm not even saying ReZero is good, but you're equally as garbage. You could have pointed out any of the shit features the series excels in, but decided to construct the weakest argument in the entire thread.

Great job.
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>>144499409
Self insert is where the MC is cool and OP with a harem of cute girls, so the viewer wishes to be in their shoes.
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Sure is /r9k/ in here
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>>144499405
Are you Reinhard?
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>>144499487
autistic weebs resort to greentexting whenever they can't refute something. typical beta male behaviour.
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>>144491227
They're literally all tsundere for him
They're giving him tough love in hopes he'll improve
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>>144490082
okarin is way smarter than subaru. he's a bit of a shut in himself but he would quickly understand that no one knows what he's talking about in past lives (it only took him like one talk to each character to figure that out in steins;gate)
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>>144499584

What? I am being honest with you anons. Kyoukai no Kanata was pretentious garbage. Re:zero is by far superior in almost every way. No emo girl, no apathetic mc trash. No half assed psychological aspects.
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>>144498881
uhhh guys, are we getting the light novel version or the web novel version?
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>>144499537
>so the viewer wishes to be in their shoes.
You gotta get more specific if you want to break through my autism
By wishing to be in their shoes do you just mean that people delete the MC in their mind and add themselves to the story or just combining themselves with the MC, keeping the skills and powers and having the MC act as they would?
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>>144499393
What's next, you're going to post a link to tvtropes?

Even if it turns out that wikipedia is super trustworthy source which it undoubtedly is in something as undefined as analysis of terminology, it doesn't change the fact that you ignore the topic of the thread (which should be self-evident to anyone with a brain) in favor of arguing semantics.

You did not refute anything I said and only repeated the same shitty mistake I called you out on.
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>>144499754
don't post serious replies to shitposters. it only encourages them to bait harder.
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>>144499698
To be fair, Okarin was in a familiar setting.
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>>144499835
What else is there left at this point really? The thread is a shitposting competition anyway so you might at least point out which of the shit smells the worst.
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>>144499880
the time it took subaru to realize he was in an actual alternate world and not a video game was embarassing though.
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So you're telling me no one here knows the difference between self-insertion and identification?
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>>144499723
I agree. I was just making an inner 4shill joke with Reinhard being gay, and you know, posting DMMD
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>>144499913
It's a shame really, the thread was pretty decent earlier. There was genuinely anime discussion happening.
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>>144499929
Only took what? 3 deaths? You can get amnesia from shock you know. He might have had the delusion that it was just a dream. He kept thinking he was in the same timeline, and that took a 2nd death to realize that he was resetting all together. 3rd time everything became clear.
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>>144499034
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>>144500005

I would fuck Reinheart so bad, he would develop a new blessing to protect his anus.
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>>144499972
Didn't you read any of the replies you already got?
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>>144499744
I think it's more the latter, pretending they are the MC in that world with their powers. Like how you see people running around like they're in Naruto.
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>>144488178
The main problem with the MC is that he is what Kaiji is except that he NEVER EVER EVER learns. You could say its Subaru's personality but he is the walking brick wall. He never learns from any mistakes and he takes the gold medal for not "reading the situation" or even just asking the most remedial of questions
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>>144500216
>Kaiji
>Ever learning anything either
And Subaru obviously is going trough a suffering path before giving a healing ending where he most likely learns all kinds of things and heartfelt lessons.
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>>144498742
We are not making shit up. Just rewatch it then, I am not gonna search shit up for you.
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>>144500196
>there are kids who unironically run like this
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>>144500216

What is stubborness and what is pride?

As a person with such qualities, it takes years of beating my head against the wall to stop doing stupid shit. Like literally, it is very hard to change how you act if you do not internalize that change. You can know your flaws, but that doesn't make you think about them in a time of panic. Realizing your flaws is only the beginning.

If you do not know this simple psychology, this anime 2deep4you.
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>>144499972
At this point the meaning of the word self-insert applies to a character you don't like.
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>>144500460
I used to know one in high-school. Good times.
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>>144500479

Not that anon but I wanted to add to this.

A self-insert is an author putting themselves in the story.

What people are referring to with "self-insert" is when people project themselves into the shoes of the main character. Aka empathising with them. You cannot empathize with something you have no experience with. this causes you to imagine it and feel uncomfortable along with the character. So technically, they are living vicariously through said character and that is a form of self-insertion, because they are putting themselves in their shoes. It is not the trope/narrative perspective self-insert.
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>>144500622
>What people are referring to with "self-insert" is when people project themselves into the shoes of the main character.

Why does it have to be the MC? Who said it can't be a side character?
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Reminder that Re:Zero is going to be the new evangelion and Madoka
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>>144500690
nobody did. you can self-insert into any character.
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>>144500140
>replies
first post here

self-insert/author surrogate is completely different than identification, and you're all mixing shit up.
also as >>144500479 says, if we follow /a/ shit taste you'd trash each and every bildungsroman simply because they rely on identification
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>>144500690
Yeah you can do any character, but that is kinda difficult with Re:zero because its told from his perspective.
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>>144500753
You can identify or relate with any character. Only the author can self-insert. If you want to self-insert you should write your own fanfiction.
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>>144500690
because the story telling usually revolves around the MC, whereas the life "story" of a person revolves around themselves. people relate to the MC because the MC is the focus, just like they are (in their own minds). that's why you get so much wish fulfillment and power fantasies in media; people want to live out their dreams in the form of fiction.

>>144500694
it's not
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>>144500900
>it's not
It will be.
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>>144500469
That image reminded me of a very important question that has been bothering me for a long while: how is that tracksuit still intact after all the punishment Toyota has been through?
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>>144500897
so is subaru a self-insert or not?
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>>144500999
Subaru is a sewing genius
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>>144500760
>if we follow /a/ shit taste you'd trash each and every bildungsroman simply because they rely on identification
You should probably stop treating /a/ as an hivemind that is represented by few vocal posters.

Aside that, in case you are someone fresh to the thread all I'm saying is that by reading the OP post you should be able to understand what he is trying to convey, and arguing semantics, even if technically right, is hard to see as anything else than nitpicking in a topic as simple as this.
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>>144500999
Reinhard's blessing of sewing off-screen
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>>144488178
He's better than that shitty character called Kirito though
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>>144500900
That's what you say but it really doesn't answer my question, anon. Going by your logic a viewer can self-insert into a side character because said viewer finds that side character more relatable than the MC.
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>>144492837
So you're saying that the ability to come back to life at a checkpoint any time a relevant character dies isn't a cheat?
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>>144501150
You make it sound like it's an accomplishment
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>>144501015
Meme answer: Yes

Serious answer: It depends on the author.
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>>144500690
>Why does it have to be the MC? Who said it can't be a side character?

>I self insert as this secondary character that barely appears for a minute in ep 7

self insert by /a/ definition is a derogatory term used to trash a show they don't like rather than a simple literary device.

>>144501085
and still getting the term wrong after years of shitposting proves the above
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>>144501251
>a viewer can self-insert into a side character because said viewer finds that side character more relatable than the MC.
Why this shouldn't be possible?

You know all those edgy teenagers for some reason identify as Joker instead of Batman.
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>>144501368
I don't still see how shitposting and memes "prove" anything, at least on a level of generalizations you're attempting to make based on this thread.

I'm just going to stop posting now as this entire thread is kind of bad.
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>>144501305
It doesn't exactly make his life easy, anon. It's a necessary gimmick to allow the viewer to see the potential bad endings while not losing important cast members. It can even be thought of as a curse seeing how much Subaru has suffered because of it.
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>>144495960
>Also, what is found to be popular and interesting is dictated not by the people producing entertainment but by the consumer.
That's what I said.

Those options are presented because its what the nips find interesting.

SAO is still top seller there.

There some those uncommon cases that are different, but /a/ will call it pretentions, forced drama, edgy ou insert-buzzword.

A show that dodges all those bullets is tje rarest of all.
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>>144500469
I mean the dude called Sloth isn't even lazy so I don't even know what to say.
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>>144501722
Bishop powers have nothing to do with their personality.
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>>144496087
>reset/timeloop stories that are meant to be about resetting and the MC suffer-and repeat are stupid because it makes the MC suffer and repeat

Oh geez anon, what a cleaver person you are.
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The girls are all dumb sluts, typical for an LN but ramrem are boring and emilia is basically asuna. If you removed all the girls it would make for a better story.
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>>144501503
>I don't still see how shitposting and memes "prove" anything

That proves that people cant even take 5 minutes to open a book and look up the actual term, they'd rather regurgitate a meme that has lost connection to the actual definition and is used only in derogatory form.
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>>144496585
No anon, the plot is heartwarming and about true love. Just wait till Satella appears, it will become a romance.
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>>144501893
It's entering the sausage festival portion of arc 3 soon so rejoice.
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>>144496585
I don't think you know what plot means.
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>>144501893
To be fair, Emilia does have more personality the Asuna, at one point, Emilia actually gets so pissed at Subaru, that she decides to literally find a knight and kiss him on the lips right in front of Subaru and walk right off with him
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>>144502198
WTF NTR?! I HATE EMILIA NOW!
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>>144496517
>I dont mind that
>but /a/ should

This doesn't even make any sense anon.

/a/ is not a single person. The hate for Reddit comes from the fact that their very board core (comments) is based around in circle-jerking.

Liking something Reddit likes is not rare, shows are a limited resource, but circle-jerking about circle-jerk is what makes /a/ Reddit-like.
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>>144502198
Wow, what a cunt.
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>ctrl+f's for KonoSuba
>0 results

What the fuck kind of Re Zero bitch thread is this if nobody's even making an apples and oranges comparison?

I'm disappointed in you /a/.
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Subaru is self insert as fuck don't delude yourself. Plenty people self insert as Nanaya/Tohno Shiki for example
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>>144496833
Because you don't if you return forever or has a limited number of lives.

If you hack into a game to never lose a life after dying, you can die infinite times even if your life gauge is in one heart/1up. But what if you just have 99 hearts? Good fucking job killing yourself.
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>>144502674
Apples are the superior fruit, and oranges take too much work for little pay off.

Oranges are cute though.
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>>144502674
To be fair, even KonoSuba is more realistic portrayal of lame-ass mc stuck in AU setting, even if it lacks the superficial suffering.

There, happy now?
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>>144502757
Bullshit, clementines are way better than apples.
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>>144502757
Only good apples are the those pink English ones tho
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>>144498390
nigga do you know where we are?
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>>144502198
Please tell me the anime won't get to that part. I don't feel like going through another Boku Dake-tier wave of shitposting.
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>>144502198
My god, Emilia is utter shit.

This reaffirms Beatrice, Rem, and Crusch as superior specimen.
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Grimgar did everything Re:Zero did but better. It's the "more dark alternative universe transportation" -story, but everything is portrayed in more humane way and never reaching the edgefest levels and poorly depicted mental defects on plot demand.
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>>144503206
Careful, that show got shit on harder than this one by the contrarians, I wouldn't bring that up
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>>144503206
>edgefest levels
Aaaaaaannnddddd in the trash your opinion goes.
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>>144493125
Middle grounds devolve into the Kirito-type.

Like Nardo, Luffy, or even Gash/Zatch.
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>>144502915
Go granny or get out.
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>>144497639
Why do you even bother complaining about the lack of inner struggles of you don't even bother paying attention?

There's a limit to spoonfeeding.
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>>144488178

It's just returning to the norm where MC's had flaws and weren't perfect Gary Stu's, the Gary Stu thing is cancer.
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>>144493833
Monmusu and Prison School's MCs are pretty blank. Especially the latter; ignore the edgy face
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>>144498014
>But so far the show hasn't emphasized that. It hasn't played with the themes of his inner turmoil.
And they shouldn't. It's way more interesting when we have to think instead of the MC explaining his actions.

We should get hints anyway, like his victory pose, his face while looking at the couple walking on the street, him blaming thr candidates for doing nothing, etc.
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>MC has flaws, that means he's good!
This is why I hate discussing anything resembling a plot not contained by episode with /a/.
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>>144503915
A character that has flaws and develops from them is the essence of good writing.

>MC has no flaws, that means he's good!
Surely this isn't what you're implying, right?

If you hate discussing, don't speak. We don't want your uneducated, contrarian opinion.
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>>144501665
>SAO is still top seller there.
And the second most popular LN is something that can't be shitposted about so you never see any mention of it here.
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>>144499034
>Worry about having a limit doesn't mean he worries about his power stopping.
Anon, are you aware that a limit implies that it will stop?
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>>144488376
>muh suffering doesn't change that
Without Emilia and the power of plot he'd most likely end up as a hobo in the city he first spawned. This is a direct jab at delusional otakus who think they'd be super awesome if the chance arose to show their true potential. Instead of using his power to the fullest, he is afraid and useless and accomplishes something only after lots of suffering and goodwill from others.
Basically
>NEET is a NEET even with magic 'n shit
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>>144501150
>tfw you want to ironic say Kirito is better but not in the mood for it
>Subaru's VA seems like he'll be type-casted into fag MCs

Why am I even thinking of bullshit?
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>>144503206
Grimgar is more sleep inducing than re:zero.
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>>144503423
Why are you typing like a retard?
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Now now, everybody. Let's screw our heads on straight.
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>>144499393
> this level of /v/ermin
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>>144503269
Really? I was late to the party so I was never around the threads. Kind of surprising because on comparison I don't think Re:Zero has any bigger merits.
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>>144503423
>Aaaaaaannnddddd
Stay in MAL faggot
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>>144488178
Looks like Irithyll of the Boreal Valley.
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>>144503915
Flaws make the character otherwise they are Kirito flavored masturbation that destroys all tonal consistency for the sake of self-insert masturbation
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>>144504127
>Without Emilia and the power of plot he'd most likely end up as a hobo in the city he first spawned. This is a direct jab at delusional otakus who think they'd be super awesome if the chance arose to show their true potential. Instead of using his power to the fullest, he is afraid and useless and accomplishes something only after lots of suffering and goodwill from others.

Oh great, now we got the "It has a deep meaning!" crowd coming in. God, this is why i hate it when shit with decent writing gets popular.
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>>144504381
Are you implying that Kirito doesn't have flaws?
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>>144504440
Not that anon, but even his flaws are somehow portrayed as kind of cool things that make him look more humble, or something he can easily overcome when plot demands.
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>>144504440
I don't watch SAO, but surely an infamous gary stu such as Kirito isn't punished enough for having flaws.
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>>144502198
No, stop. That can't be true. That's just being a massive cunt.
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>>144504487
>>144504507
What makes a gary stu isn't the properties of the character, it's how the world becomes nonsensical to make things turn out better for them. A character with no deliberate flaws is something else completely.
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>>144504288
To be honest, I also enjoyed Grimgar more as well, but it was relatively unpopular here, and its threads had more shitposters than fans, which is why you don't see it discussed too much.

Grimgar was a more down to earth, compact, and personal story, while Re:zero is trying to be a sensation. I can see why Re:zero is more popular.
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A bad MC is one whom I'd like to NTR all of the girl who stroke on his dick

A good MC is one I actively want to watch grow, suffer, falling down but coming back up again. And I'd applaud to him for actually putting up some work in order to get girls to like him.

Subaru is good.
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>>144504127
But that's not even true. Honestly, comedy like KonoSuba makes this point more obvious: instead of becoming adventurers main cast work minimum wage shit jobs and sleep in haystack. Subaru hangs around royals and is involved directly in the fate of his new world. Sure, he is reliant on others, but when that basically amounts to having cute cast of waifus then I don't think Re:Zero is conveying the intended message, if the message was the intention in the first place.
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>>144504440
He only loses in low-stakes shit. Like that fight with the AIDS girl.
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>>144504647
Gary Stu realistically does not have as solid definition outside "perfectly unrealistic character" as it's not even anymore referring to it's original meaning. But sure, why not, the world also seems to bend around him for plot convenience so at least you don't prove anything otherwise.
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So if I'm getting this right, the majority of the "problems" with the anime people have so far are handwaved away because "it's explained better later on when X thing happens"? So, what, should people just wait until the entire season is out before they start?
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>>144504884
That's the standard LNfag response to everything
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>>144502198
>someone who thinks babies are made from kisses would do that
I'm calling bullshit unless I get some context. When and why does it happen?
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>>144504884
Not all LNs can be like KonoSuba and actually let you figure things out as you go.

There's always gotta be a twist to shock the viewers because woah you could've never seen that coming I can't wait for all those naysayers to reach this part!!!
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>>144502198
I don't believe you, but it would be great if it were true.
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>>144504884
It's like in when Oreimo was airing you had to play the PSP game to properly appreciate Kirino.

It's all just bullshit, anon.
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Are people really trying to compare this show to Konosuba?

Konosuba is lowbrow comedy while Re:zero is taking itself seriously and trying to create a real story. They're in a different class.
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>>144505168
>>144505446
Middle of Arc 5, Emilia finally gets tired of Subaru always holding onto Rems body, and seeing him crying when he trips and lets Rems body hit the hard road of a market makes her snap. She lets a tear roll down her cheek and whispers, "I'm sorry, Subaru-kun..." as she walks over to an Off-duty knight, and puckers her lips, letting it gently touch the knights lips

And that's just the synapse of what happens, there's plenty more to it.
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>>144505599
>Are people really trying to compare this show to Konosuba?

It's a meme that happened after a youtube "Anime reviewer" decided to call it a "Konosuba clone".
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>>144504945
>>144505303
>>144505493
No, it's just people want to be spoonfed further when they are too lazy to look at the context when it was already shown. You people are all slothful. Betelgeuse was right. Spoonfeeding is equivalent to sloth.
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>>144505909
Damn, that's 3DPD behavior.
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>>144505599
I know it might be beyond your comprehension but works of fiction sometimes include comparable traits despite apparent differences in tone and setting. Just kind of friendly pointing this out.
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Turns out that half of /a/ doesn't know what a self-insert character is.

A self-insert MC has a bland personality with few if any flaws. This is done so the viewer can turn them into a sort of avatar. Teenage weeaboos self-insert into a character like Kirito who is a video game pro who's intelligent, confident, attractive, smooth and good with women on top of having an edgy style. He's the hero of the story and he makes things go his way.

Suburu is an autistic, dumbass NEET who embarrasses himself and even the viewer through secondhand shame.

Re:Zero isn't self insert, it's torture porn for sadists who enjoy witnessing the suffering of others.

t. Emotional sadist (sobbing women give me boners)
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>>144506351
But that's not the definition of self-insert you retard.
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>>144505909
>thinks babies are made from kissing
>kisses a random knight because she's mad at subaru

I don't believe you fampai.
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>>144506351
You see, the funny thing here is that I don't like torture. What I like about Re:Zero is how I see a protagonist that is the living embodiment of sinful nature slowly be broken down and made into a better person by recognizing self-worth.
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>>144506615
If you want to go by the literary instead of anime meaning the Suburu is still not a self-insert.
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>>144506792
She obviously wanted a child.
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>>144506926
I don't realistically know enough about the author to say anything to this claim, but I'll just point out that anime doesn't have its own deriving terminology in the way you seem to imply.
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>>144505909
>he clings onto you too much
>you tell him to back off
>he clings onto another girl's dead body
>perfect time to be a cunt about it

What the fuck?
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>>144506960
I mean you could've atleast given the knight a name and a backstory how he saved Emilia etc. and not make him some random dude off-duty for your bait. Though the Rem story was creative. (Can you even see that which doesn't exist?)
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>>144506128
>cherry picking
>strawman
>not understanding the meaning of my post
I know that fallacies are beyond your comprehension, ESLfag, but ignorance is not innocence.
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>>144506915
>A better person
>implying he won't embrace his sinful nature in its whole and become Sauron
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>>144507526
I see that he becomes a person that is a worthwhile protagonist, still an idiot. Despite being an idiot (still up to the current), he improves himself ever so slightly. But still an idiot. But he's our idiot.
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>>144507460
This post seems like you just threw together all the buzzwords you could think of and coupled it /pol/ reaction image as a frosting. If you think the two series do not have comparable features then you are full of shit. Sure, as I said, the tone is different but even the fact both build on the base of "stuck in alternative universe" gives enough substance for some comparison. Even this thread includes somewhat interesting comparisons which you would of course know if you'd read the thread before posting.

In case you were baiting I'm sorry for falling for it.
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If we had this dude's life adapted, I wonder how that will turn out for the audience?
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>>144504386
>this is why i hate it when shit with decent writing gets popular.
because people try and analyze the meaning behind the good writing?

if you're intentionally being retarded then good job, here's your you. if not, you're a moron, here's your you
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>>144508065
But why fucking analyze EVERY FUCKING THING?

Why can't a character be just a character without being a fucking symbol of some shit?

Why can't the color red just fucking mean red and not the spiraling depression of the fucking author?

Not everything has to mean something.
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>>144508350
>I don't like thing and it upsets me when others do
one of the marks of a good show is that it can get people to derive meaning from it, potentially beyond what the writers might have even been thinking. I'm sorry that good writing triggers you so much
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>>144508350
No offense but you seem like a fucking retard.
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>>144488509
Kaneki is self insert for emo faggot edge lords and Fujo bait for emo land whales
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>taking a look at the realistic results of a NEET transported to a fantasy world
This is the dumbest shit I've read all week.
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>>144509940
It really is since middle grounds devolve into Kiritos sooner or later and forcing the middle ground to stay balanced makes them feel like they never progressed.
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>>144509940
I just want