Baki Dou 117

>>144450181
>http://blog.yuncomics.com/archives/1730467
based musashi.

>>144450181
Sorry, 118. Typo.

>>144450438
You must be Musashi's only fan at this point.

This is getting stupid

>>144450181
i am done with this retarded shit, kys itagaki

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stop

>>144450181
Musashit is making me want to drop this
no, seriously

>>144450950
>>144451108
>>144451189
>>144451214
This is the exact same shit Pickle did.

>>144450530
>You must be Musashi's only fan at this point.
I'm one, too. Much better character than Pickle.

Also, Pickle was shown to be somewhat weak against real fighting before. Remember Retsu kicking his balls and shit.

>>144451292
Pickle had a prolonged fight with Retsu with build up and aftermath
Katsumi had a long build up to his fight with Pickle and consequences
Jack had a prolonged fight with Pickle with consequences

Musashi has just been going around destroying everyone with imagination or manhandling his opponent

>>144451452
So has Yujiro.

Except he's been doing it over the run of the entire series, has been trolling people left and right and somehow people still like him.

Him and musashi are both cancer that should just get removed.

>>144451452
>Jack had a prolonged fight with Pickle with consequences
>consequences
He got a cool new scar?

>>144451527
Yujiro blowing everyone the fuck out has been spaced out over 25 years

Motobe will appear the next chapter, this isn't the end is what I am telling myself ...

Americans are mad because science and dinosaurs lose out against meme katanas and traditional martial arts.

>>144451655
Motobe outright said he won't save Pickle.

Pickle still needs to reveal his Scar, you still have 1 chapter at least.

>>144451527
Motobe with his deus ex machina ninjutsu is much more cancerous. I don't buy the real fight shit with him, either. If he was so good, Tokugawa would have put him on the official convict fighting roster.

Is Musashi the worst thing to happen to this series?

>>144451948
Oliva and Che Guevara were MUCH worse. Also, Retsu's boxing stint where pro boxers were suddenly on the level of underground arena fighters and Ali Jr. who literally came out of nowhere and vanished back into obscurity just as quickly. Itagaki had some kind of nigger fetish back then, it was really weird.

>>144451948
The Yujiro vs Baki fight was. Imaginary dinner. That almost made me stop the series, total bullshit.

>>144452064
Really? The series have gone way more insane than that.

>>144452017
Yeah what the fuck happened with Ali jr?

>>144452165
>Really? The series have gone way more insane than that.
Nah, that was just so fucking whack. I can take dinosaur-eating cavemen, revived samurai, super-powered convicts and imaginary giant mantises, no problem. But whole chapters dedicated to serving imaginary tofu as a duel between father and son? Nah. Just nah.

>>144452165
>Yeah what the fuck happened with Ali jr?
Itagaki was obviously going through a "nigger boxer" phase. It's over now.

I mean, come on. World-class boxer were used in the first Baki arc, and Baki ate them for breakfast. That was pre-Tournament. In the tournament, he was even stronger, and Retsu went toe to toe with him - and now, Retsu can't just tank Smoking Joe's punches because boxing gloves? That's doujinshi tier.

>>144452017
>>144452064
These were just little things that lasted for maybe a dozen or two chapters. Musashi has been shitting on everyone for a hundred chapters straight. Just because he is fucking Musashi from Nippon legends.

>>144452456
>and now, Retsu can't just tank Smoking Joe's punches because boxing gloves? That's doujinshi tier.
I guess Itagaki thought the same thing because Retsu's boxing career was just hand-waved in Baki-Dou. Maybe he was on drugs at the time, who knows.

>>144452495
Yeah, so? What's the problem? Baki always had the theme of real martial arts trumping modern martial arts. Gaia nearly defeated Baki in the first series, after all.
And you can't get much more "real" than a samurai. Would you have preferred they revived Nobunaga? Or maybe some European guy?

>>144452017
>Oliva and Che Guevara were MUCH worse.
Aside from how jingoistic it got at points, what was wrong with that arc? Olivia & Guevara themselves were fun characters and their fight was fantastic.

>>144451452
>Pickle had a prolonged fight with Retsu
>Jack had a prolonged fight with Pickle

Hahaha, I'm sorry for your mother.

>>144452572
>Or maybe some European guy
Grote Piet or Christoph the Strong would fit nicely.

>>144452572
Also, Musashi is kind of a big deal even today in the Japanese martial arts scene. Itagaki uses several memes from that scene, like Musashi being able to see into the future.

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>>144452576
>Olivia & Guevara themselves were fun characters and their fight was fantastic.
You can't be serious. Are you 12?

Also, it's Oliva, the guy is based on bodybuilder Sergio Oliva.

>>144452456
Can't boxers get stronger? It was always implied that pretty much everyone in the underground arena was stronger than top sportsmen, and McGregor/Iron Mike did take part in the tournament and beat one guy.

Chopped pickles ass must taste good,

>>144452572
>real martial arts trumping modern martial arts
That's not the problem. The issue is that we're following him most of the time, and all his fights are boring as fuck. Ooo Musashi can swing his nippon steel 1000 times folded sword so fast. Is the same thing every time crammed into a 100 chapters supposed to be entertaining?

>>144452891
Olivia doesn't stand out that compared to the rest of the manga.

>>144452891
>You can't be serious. Are you 12?
Not an argument.

>>144450950
Have we been reading the same series?

It's ALWAYS been stupid

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By the way, is that whatshisname from garouden?

>>144453013
Sup /pol/. You didn't bring an argument either beyond "lmao Che Guevara is ebin :DDD"

>>144453035
Matsuo Shozan? I don't think so.

Can someone dump the chapter please?

>>144450181
>http://blog.yuncomics.com/archives/1730467
Goddamnit


I can't wait for Musashi to be over

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>>144450181
At this point I don't even care anymore, just absorbing next fighting scenes like whale shark plancton, is enough for me

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>>144452998
I like Oliva. It's cute how he got stronk just for his waifu, and exploding out of tuxedos never gets old.

Thing is, now that Baki, Yujiro, and by extension Pickle (and possibly Musashi?) have been shown to be stronger than him on a pure muscular level, that kinda takes away his entire gimmick - I would've preferred if he WAS the legit "strongest" character in the manga, but his lack of techniques or fighting spirit or whatever else holds him back from being truly the "strongest fighter".

How did Jyaku manage to get an invite to Raitai?

>>144451452
Musashi's fights go back and forth to an extent and he never goes out without at least some superficial bruising.

Pickle wasn't even scratched until his fight with Jack.

>>144456021
He started training again as of Baki Dou so he might come back stronger.

Also I'm not entirely convinced Baki is necessarily physically stronger than Oliva even if he won their punch out. His punching technique and speed could just be better - they don't actually trade blows in the punch out, IIRC Baki gets several punches in for every time Oliva punches him.

>>144453035
what happened to their noses

>>144456176
What? He did beat one guy. He sucks compared to the Karokuen crew, but I never got the impression he was worse than the average Kaioh.

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>>144456176
The Raitai level isn't that high compared to the main characters' level. Everyone else but them and old chinese man got curbstomped, at least Jyaku came up with something to last a little bit. I think he's pretty cool.

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>>144453035
>>144453237
would be cool to see Shozan show up in Baki-Dou

>>144452017
Retsu was trying to learn about boxing, if he just BTFO every boxer with one hit he wouldn't have learned anything. So he tried fighting like a boxer and taking hits like a boxer. Insights for improving one's own art can come from the unlikeliest of places. If Baki can learn by observing insects he could squash in a second, Retsu can learn from boxers.

In particular Retsu learned about the dizzying effect a boxer's glove has on you when it hits, which is apparently unique to boxing. He learned it by fighting a scrub at length and getting hit; he was able to come up with a counter on the fly due to his experience and superior skill, and now if he fights a non-scrub boxer who wouldn't let him recover he's better prepared to face and counter it. He can also add to the 4000 years of Chinese martial arts by passing that knowledge on.

except he's dead so he won't get to do any of that

>people hate Oliva

Are you serious? The Oliva arc was one of the most fun rides of the franchise. It's right up there alongside the Convict arc for me as the best the manga has to offer.

>>144456176
He's a Kaioh, all Kaioh were invited by default.

Baki, Yuujiro and Ali Jr. were the only actual external entries (though later Oliva and the two non-Kaio Chinese came in as well).

>>144456948
Also he needed to get used to his peg leg and this was a good opportunity.

>>144450181
>MUSASHI
MUSASHI
>MUSASHI
MUSASHI

long live the king

>>144453202
The entire premise of the manga is buff men doing buff things. There is nothing wrong with Guevara.

>>144451939
>destroys Yanagi immediately without telling anyone
pretty sure Tokugawa didn't *know* he was good

>>144451939
>Tokugawa would have put him on the official convict fighting roster.

Hanayama was on the roster even though he lost to fucking Katsumi.

>>144451862
I was wrong on that; I misread the text. Motobe sorta questions his own ability to protect Pickle, but does it rhetorically, implying he'll try anyway. Credit to arstavial for pointing that out

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>>144456285
That's the problem - it's superficial. He's no more damaged by that stuff than Pickle was by Retsu's windmill; it's just drawn like he's injured to feign.. something. Musashi literally got a hole in his eye from the shrapnel thing by Retsu, but it was 'superficial' and meaningless.

>>144458110
Still better than Pickle just outright tanking everything everyone threw at him with no damage.

>>144458110
I don't care if Tokugawa has to call his mom, grandma, aunt, great aunt, daughter, sister, grand-daughter, great-grandma to do it, and hire 10 teams of surgeons and engineers, I want Retsu back.

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So how strong Hanayama is? I get that the power levels are pretty hazy in this series especially so excluding the top dogs but where do you put him?

>>144456021
Did Baki even use the demon back against Pickle? I was under the impression he didn't.

>>144459488
Japs put him near the top. I'm inclined to agree simply because the author is likely to follow the will of the fans.

>>144459488
>>144459933
Outside of the Hanma's and the 'character of the arc' it probably goes Kaku>Olivia>Hanayama

>>144459488
I'd say Unchained tier. Or at least he'll fuck up an Unchained and get utterly destroyed in the process (only to step out of the hospital).

>>144460576
>he'll fuck up an Unchained and get utterly destroyed in the process (only to step out of the hospital)
that's just how Hanayama fights, it's still a win

I hate anatomy in this manga, its same as torishit

>>144450950
See
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>>144461922
It's been stupid, but it's never been this repetitive before. Musashi is getting very annoying, and I was a fan of Musashi for a long time.

>>144462192
Imo Musashi is Pickle 2.0 which is why Pickle fighting Pickle 2.0 is just flat out ridiculous.

You know what this series is lacking? Actual male on male rape.

>>144462314
Too ridiculous. It shouldn't be happening, honestly.

>>144463682
This is a series where 2 guys are stronger than the entire American nuclear arsenal. A fight between a caveman and a clone of the most famous samurai is NBD.

>>144462336
Go read Shamo or something then.

>>144463945
>NBD
Neurobiological brain disorder?

>>144459488
Hanayma is much weaker compared with Oliva, but he have a better punch technic, and in Dou is show his talk about constantly training after his first encounter with yugiro, I suppose he is in the Oliva class, not in pure strength but in overall stats

Would Jack have a chance against Oliva, or would he get BTFO? I feel like the only thing he has on him is height.

>>144465478

It would be a close fight, probably. Jack is a top tier fighting.


>>144462314
It's not a bad idea, but it's actually frustrating seeing Pickle get Pickle'd. At least Pickle's fight arcs were all about his opponent basically fighting a wall. All of this is basically masturbating to Musashi.

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>>144465478
Jack would crush Oliva, unless we found out that his surgery really has made him weaker.

>>144463945
I didn't mean ridiculous in terms of feat premise, I meant ridiculous in terms of basic logic. Pickle has been undefeated throughout his run in the manga, and so has Musashi ('technically').

Pitting two undefeated persons against each other like this defeats the purpose of either one of them being undefeated. If Pickle wins, we'll go "Of course he won, Pickle's never lost." If Musashi wins, we'll go "Of course he won, Musashi's never lost." There's no value/stakes in this fight, in a sense.

If Pickle dies, it's just an exact repeat of the Retsu fight and therefore meaningless. If Musashi dies, we're out of a villain and the arc is deflated. The only 'right' way to play this situation now, as I see it, is to have Pickle reciprocate somehow in the next chapter such that they're even yet again, then have the fight stopped for an unexpected reason. Like Yuuichiro showing up and instantly becoming a more appealing target to Pickle, or Musashi philosophizing something new (value of life, maybe?) and rethinking the fight.

Honestly, there's no reason for the spectators to be there unless something truly abnormal is going to happen. Baki knows about Musashi's hands mode from Yuujiro, and Doppo know about it from Baki, so that can't be used as a surprise. Pretty much all of them know about Pickle's scar mode. Something truly new has to come into this fight to justify the setting.

>>144467557
>Jack would crush Oliva
How? Jack is all about strength, and by all accounts Oliva seems to be even stronger. I'd say Retsu has a better chance against Oliva than him, at least he has a significant advantage on technique.

>>144467658
>I'd say Retsu has a better chance against Oliva than him, at least he has a significant advantage on technique.
What? Are you not aware he is dead? How can a corpse have a better chance?

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>>144467658
Jack lives through pain. Like his entire life is constant pain. Since Baki was able to beat Oliva through brute force, and barely manage to do so because of the pain/injury, I can't imagine Jack would be any worse-off. I'm certain he's at least at Oliva's strength level by this point - after 2 more years of nonsensical training/fighting - and he'd be able to keep swinging for much longer than Baki because of his fucked-up pain tolerance. The only person able to tank more damage and keep swinging would be Hanayama, I'd think.

If Oliva had any real technique or anything, it'd be a different story. But since they're both brute-force fighters, and Jack never goes down (almost beat Pickle, even), I'm giving this to Jack.

>>144468003
Jack has some technique, no?

I hate talking about baki for the same reason I hate reading baki. For everything I love about the series, how fucking wildly inconsistent the author is about "people taking damage" its fucking impossible to feel any tension or apply any logic what so ever.
Its like watching a mortal kombat game where everyone has bones broken spines ripped eyes burnt and they're obviously fine if their hp isn't zero because that's how fighting games work. You can brush it off in a fighting game because you at least have an hp bar and its a game. Baki has all kinds of absurd damage in fights where its fucking impossible to tell if someone is actually injured in a way that affects the in the least. Its fun and flashy and showy and its a ride to watch but the damn thing never has tension or suspense.
I feel like this is only getting worse as he focuses on bigger and badder dudes where he can't have them just flat out die or lose from having a spine snapped so they just fucking slog on like nothing happened.

>>144468136
*some* technique, but not nearly enough to be considered a technician like Doppo, Baki or Retsu.

you think Motobie will interfere in this fight too?

>>144468317
I feel you. This chapter in particular is special types of bullshit. How is Pickle cringing in pain from an eye poke, when Musashi was getting teeth in his eyes?

The peak of the series was the Hayama vs Speck fight. Now the powercreep has gotten so high it's unintelligible (though to be fair, I did enjoy some of the pickle fights. They were well done in terms of damage and all that jazz.)

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>>144468317
That's not actually right. Every person to suffer a real spinal injury in this series has died or been severely, severely injured. Emi died. That Kaiou who Oliva fought died. Baki's fight with Yuujiro completely ended. Retsu died. The spine actually seems to be the one thing Itagaki likes to stay consistent on.

The eye thing is harder to justify, but it is decently practical in reality - eyes are hard to lose. A lot of injuries that make you think someone would permanently lose eyesight don't actually cause permanent eye damage. You can pop your eyeballs out of their sockets and push them back in without injuring your long-term sight.

And the notion of any given broken bone being easily fixable isn't something exclusive to Baki; virtually every manga that includes fighting has that.

>>144468384
>you think Motobie will interfere in this fight too?
Well, he was checking out the place the day before, and now he isn't in the audience. Something's up.

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>>144468730
>Motobe set up bombs under the ground, killing both Muhsashi and Pikman

>>144468936
>>144468730
When can we get fist fights again?

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>>144468989
tomarraw

It's not over until Pickle reveals his scar and does his perfectly horizontal charge right?

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>>144472188
Correct, but even that probably won't end it, given the way the fight has been set up. The crowd is there for a reason. Most of the other important fights in Dou and SoO had no real audience. We're gonna find out/see *something* new and surprising.

DOPPO BEST BAKI

So

Is Retsu still dead? ;_;

>>144459488
if you read his manga, when he comes back from the dead he is Baki tier

>>144473316
evidenced by?
legitimately asking, haven't bothered catching up with Scarface

>>144472188
It's not over till pickle is cut in half and dead.

I dunno what everyone's problem is. Pickle was a lot more dominating in his own arc than Musashi is in this.

>>144474904
Pickle had some variety, and didn't oneshot every character.

>>144475376
>>144475376
>>144475376
>Pickle
>variety
Nigger, what.

>didn't oneshot
Neither does Musashi.

I think you have mental problems or something.

>>144450181
Musashi will take Pickle as his disciple for shit and giggles.

>>144459488
Hanayama has a "perfect body" and it's been repeated several times.

If he trained he'd be the best along with Yujiro.

As of now he's still a top tier, though you don't always notice because his fights are about getting his shit kicked in and still winning, it's never a flawless victory.

>>144476136
>Neither does Musashi.
>I think you have mental problems or something.
alright
guess we're doing this
Baki, Ichiro, Doppo, Shibukawa, Pickle (the first time), Gaia

>>144450181
I'm on "Hanma Baki", about volume 10B, what should I do about it?

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>>144476700
?
Do about what? These threads aren't really spoiling you, if that's something you're wondering. Just read through Hanma Baki and then Baki Dou is next. These new chapters aren't translated yet, though.

Major irl issues for half the group, so we're further behind than we intended to be. Will be back on track by next week.

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>>144450181
Goddamn Itagaki, what the fuck are you doing?

>>144476809
No, when am I supposed to read volume 10B

>>144452891
he's right, they are fun characters, their fights were good and the setting/bizarreness of the prizon was good too.


why do you even like Baki if you don't like biscuit oliva?

>>144476918
Oh. Never, if you don't want to do so. It has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the manga. Seriously, all it does is give a half-hearted explanation of how Pickle is still alive.

>>144476507
>Baki
Musashi got KOed. Managed to win in the end.

>Ichiro
Literally who?

>Doppo
Musashi got injured, only managed to KO Doppo when using a sword.

>Shibukawa
Musashi got beaten down and injured, managed to win in the end.

>Pickle (the first time)
Musashi got beaten down. Ran. No one won.

>Gaia
Not a fight and no one-shot either.

All of these were prolonged fights, too. I think you should see a shrink.

>>144477021
>why do you even like Baki if you don't like biscuit oliva?
Why not? Oliva is shit, as is Pickle. Worst characters in the manga easily.

>>144477171
>this much selective autism/retardation
PHG, you were right

>>144477071
Thanks.

>>144473146
I know a lot of people that never touched mangas checked Doppo's short

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>>144477204
>Oliva is shit

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Terraformars author confirmed Bakifag.

And honestly it's not only this, when reading Terraformars you can find things like in Baki explained the same way.

Like Joseph being sanic because he runs with his heels like Michael Jordan, or any explanation by the narrator at all, they read the same way as when stupid shit gets explained in Baki.

>>144477545
I call it "shounen science".

>>144467557
Musashi will kill Pickel because Pickle is a shit character and Itagaki knows it. IIRC, he had personal problems at the time of the Pickle arc, that's why it's so weird.

So, what does he do? If he just lets Pickle vanish and never talks of him again, people will say "Well, what about Pickle?"
He needs Pickle to be defeated utterly, so that conflict is dissolved. Same as Ali Jr. However, Pickle is pretty much invincible, so what do?

You need a new character doing it because otherwise, it seems as if the power levels are extremely inconsisten.
Therefore, Pickle will get raped by Musashi just as Ali Jr. got raped by Baki.

>>144477545
When reading this fight I stopped for a minute and realized I was hooked/hyped about it.

>I can't believe i'm hyped about someone fighting an imaginary mantis

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>>144477855
>IIRC, he had personal problems at the time of the Pickle arc, that's why it's so weird.
Any source on that? I'm quite curious.

>If he just lets Pickle vanish and never talks of him again
Thing is that he could have gotten away with getting rid of Pickle easier than any other character - Pickle has the excuse of needing to remain in hiding in order to not get iced. Nobody else has any real reason to go off the grid.

But I'm okay with Pickle losing, in truth. I'm salty about him winning fights for no reason in his arc. He deserves the loss; it's just that it doesn't make sense thematically. Again, if I knew anything about Itagaki's personal life during that time, maybe it'd make more sense, so source if you have it?

>>144477545
Very few mangaka use the extradiegetic narrator nowadays, if they use a narrator at all, the only big manga that does it is HxH I think.
Baki and Terraformars have a really nice use of a narrator which really improves the writing, unless you're one of those guys who think that characters explaining their powers or techniques every single time like Kubo does is good writing.
The narrator in Baki is great because it doesn't interrupt the flow of action and provides comments or explanations that also make you more hype.

One other author that does use some kind of narrator device is Oh! Great but he fucking sucks at that, like, he literally does it wrong in every possible way, too long, too frequent, scientific or historical explanations almost copypasted from schoolbooks with no flair at all and usually the narrator is basically one of the characters fighting or a spectator having a long inner monologue, it completely breaks the flow of narrative.

>>144478114
I just read it in a Baki thread.

is it normal to get a boner when reading this manga

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>>144478247
So did I, which is why I asked. I guess, unless that guy shows up and cites something, we can't fairly assume it's true.

>>144478224
One Piece utilizes this but sparingly

>>144452017
>It's a dumb americans triggered by Guevara episode

Nice.

>>144478224
tl;dr