Why was Zatch Bell so good /a/?

>>144432132
Wtf is zatch bell

>>144432132
It was pretty bad desu. You ZBfags are like Torikofags. Delusional.

>>144432132
It was alright.
Faudo was fantastic though

>>144432280
this

>>144432132
It's one of the two anime from my childhood that I remeber going to shit near the end, the other being Rave Master.

That being said, I was a huge fanboy of both, and even had the GC games.

>>144432173
Chinese bootleg of Gash Bell.

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>>144432132
it's called gash bell you fucking retard

>>144432280
finally someone with good taste.

If cute moe childhood friend wins, I will pick this shit up. If she loses and gets her heart torn out, fuck this series.

>>144432280
It was good aside from some really cringeworthy attempts at humor.

>>144433123
Nobody wins the kiyobowl as far as we know.
Idol is objectively better though.

Gash Bell (Manga) > shit > Gash Bell (anime) > Zatch Bell

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Gash Bell might be one of the best shounen battle manga out there.

It's pretty great.

Zatch Bell got absolutely shit on by Shaman King in terms of art

>>144433996
But Zatch Bell had a much better ending.

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>>144433996
You're full of shit.
Raiku's art is topnotch.

>>144434084
Didn't Shaman King get an update though? It got axed and had a garbage ending but apparently he added in a new ending later on?

>>144434107
I keep hearing about this new ending but I've never seen it.

>>144434102
>a few good panels here and there is better than consistently okay to great panels
Shaman King's early art is pretty meh though, I'll give you that.

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>>144434146
The art is consistently good from volume 1 though.
Raiku's art has a lot of impact with what he does with it.

>>144434124

The name is Shaman king kang zeng bang

>>144433037
Is her eyes swirling cause of hypnosis?

This is important

for my dick

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>>144433996
Gash has better comedy.
And why are we comparing it with Shaman King?

>>144433351

What are you on about? The awful randum xd humour was the best part about it. Everything else was generic, boring and just plain out terrible.

>>144432132
It wasn't. It was shit.

>>144434324
This

The manga called Gash great however.

>>144433709
>Not liking the insert songs
BERY MERON and CHI CHI OPPAI made thevanime for me.

Read yesterday the first volume of vector ball.
10/10 MC

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>>144434316
Raiku's gags are the pinnacle of comedy.
Pearls before swine I say.

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I'll never understand why it's so popular to hate on Gash? Have people not read it or are they simply against fun?

>>144434909
I love how all the character are ugly as fuck.
The childhood friend best girl

Cheap Beelzebub ripoff.

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>>144434977
top kek
Good bait anon.

I remember the /a/ threads as the manga was being translated
good times.

>>144434231
no she's just an autismo

>>144434940
It's generic trash. I've read dozens and dozens of chapters hoping it'll get better but it never did. The invincible folklore guy was the only good character.

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>>144435451
>Generic
From that one word I can tell you haven't read it. Nice try though.

>>144432132
Why did Zatch have 2 different voice actresses in Japanese and was Kiyo ever shirtless?

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>>144435574
>Sexualizing the Kiyo
Stop. He's pure.

YOU KNOW WHO'S GOT THE POWER

>>144435525
If you think Gash isn't the epitome of generic you're trolling. Putting aside the fact that the main character gets over his so called social anxieties and becomes a regular brave shounen protagonist guy in the first few chapters, which is complete shit in terms of characterization, the basic pattern of every "arc" (if you can even call them that) is so painfully plain that I had to physically force myself to keep reading this trash.
>new demon/human pair are introduced
>minimal effort is put into their characterization
>they battle
>gash learns a new spell
>ZAKERUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>demon dies, gash cries
>I PROMISE I'LL BE A KIND KING
>the characters are forgotten forever and no progress was made
It's so insultingly formulaic, that I'm genuinely baffled as to how anyone can fail to see it as the generic "villain of the week" trash that it is.

Perhaps if the pacing was better, if the pattern didn't repeat itself so many times, it could be more bearable to read, but it's an old manga with old standards. If the overarching "plot" went anywhere interesting I certainly couldn't be fucked to read another hundred chapters to see where.

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>>144435685
Folgore?

>>144435677
Seriously tho, didn't his shirt ever come off?

Black book girl and demon were cool as fuck.
I was a fan of Akuma

You mean the manga or anime OP?

Manga is one of the best things in the world.
Anime is meh but the music numbers are fun.

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>>144435760
That's really only in the first volume or so.
You obviously haven't read it a lot of shounen manga, since most of them take a bit for them to settle into place. Stuff like Bleach was generic monster of the week before Soul Society too.

Gash has cool battles and great character building with some genuinely emotional moments. If you're unable to appreciate that you simply have bad taste.

The real reason not to like it is if you don't like its zany style and weird-ass comedy. I think it's perfectly understandable if such a style is not for you, but that's just a question of preference.

My advice is try and actually read something before you criticize it.

>>144435885
The manga in particular. More familiar with that since I viewed it much much later after the anime.

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>>144435767
This scene is probably the closest.

>>144435943
Because it has the perfect ratio of drama/comedy

and you really feel for the demons.

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>>144435826
Should they have won?

>>144435993
No they didn't have the ultimate spell Gaou Zakeruga

>Weekly shonen battle manga good
kek

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>>144436018
>Gaou
Surely you mean Baou right?

>>144435942
>waa you haven't read it mommy make it stop
How long are you going to pursue this angle fucktard? You want to play Gash trivia and test my knowledge? Just end your life. I need to go back and see how many volumes I read, it sure felt like eternity because time slows down when you're suffering. I had no problem with the art and the comedy was the only entertaining thing about it, how did you get the impression I had a problem with it? If you're going to defend this piece of shit at least put some effort, because so far what I'm hearing is "It gets better after 30 volumes, I promise"

>>144436027
Your loss m8

>>144436047
Dear me it appears I misspelled it. Thank you for correcting me.

>>144432132
The manga was the best.

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>>144436049
Calm down anon, no need throw a fit.

It's obvious from your post that you didn't read very far. The beginning is formulaic, but it sets up the concept and setting while introducing the characters. After that it gets a lot more well-paced with big story arcs. The Faudo arc is especially pretty good.

What you've done is like dropping a game in its tutorial.

I find it extremely hilarious that in Vector Ball the MC keeps throwing furniture at the monsters.

>>144436075
No problem, anon.

>>144436154
>lol why so mad
I should've seen it sooner.

>>144435966
What are you talking about, he's wearing his shirt.

>>144432132
If it wasn't for the trash/rushed ending, it'd have been great. Pony/Folgore chapters are the hardest I've ever laughed with manga.

>>144436188
Well, I guess this means you don't want to discuss it further?

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>>144436194
It's not buttoned up though, which is the closest to not wearing a shirt he gets iirc.

Vector Ball's pacing is all over the place.

Is Raiku trying something new or is he slowly losing touch?

>>144436194
>>144436277
Wait nevermind, he's wearing a t-shirt underneath.
I'm retarded.

>>144436188
>>144436049
Great arguments there man! Would you like to join the debate team? With you as our secret weapon we're bound to win regionals!

>>144436277
Yeah ok but he's still wearing a shirt underneath.

What about shirtless Kiyo then?

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>>144436278
What're you talking about?
It's only been one volume and it's been great so far.
Honestly I liked that he didn't drop all the exposition in the first few chapters and waited a bit to keep the mystery going.
The dynamic between the main duo is great so far.

>>144436365
I dunno man it's just a little weird. He's kind of just introducing everything as a joke, it's a little too much deadpan humor.

I'm sure it'll find a rhythm but right now it just feels weird to me.

>>144435574
at the time Zatch had to switch the original voice actress was on maternity leave

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>>144436421
To each his own I guess.
I think the comedy works a lot better since the protagonist isn't the straight man this time.

So far it's been good at introducing its character and the tone of the story. What it's really about will probably get clearer in volume 2.

>>144432132
The theme is executed well and the series doesn't drag out long. The good guys and bad guys involved in the faudo arc received a lot of development.

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BEST CHARACTER YOU CANT SHOW ME A BETTER ONE

Please guys, help us with shirtless Kiyo.

>>144436531
Barry, Folgore, Kyanchome and Ted are better.

Just off the top of my head.

>>144436531
mah nig
Victoreem best demon.

>>144435760
Formulaic is good, makes it easy for the target audience to follow.

>>144436538
Ted was probably the coolest character in terms of combat style.

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>>144436538
FAILURE TO COMPLY WILL RESULT IN MORE VICTOREEM BEING POSTED

>>144436531
Assume the victory position!

>>144436568
Ted was my favorite.
Gear up power up was such a cool concept.

It's basically dragon ball but with less showmanship and stupid HAAAAAAAA energy gathering.

>>144436587
Glorious Revolution 3-6-0!

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>>144436599

>>144436587
MELON!

>>144432173
>Wtf

Kill yourself

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>>144436622
>>144436651
I'm chill now~~

I like The Law of Ueki.

Seriously guys, was Kiyo shirtless anyway?

>>144436685
Thank you for your unrelated note.

I also liked Law of Ueki up until the point where he is revealed to be part of the angel tribe or whatever.

At that point the fights stopped being about thinking of creative ways to do shit and became about how many stars you had and that meaning you could use stronger powers.

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>>144436622
GLORIOUS

>>144436651
The last melons

>>144436492
Don't get me wrong, I liked it.

But I feel that the slice of life non fighting part have weird pacing.

The last chapter was great for example, I have no complaints about that.

What about DnK?

I liked it all the way, even if the ending felt out of place. I wanted it to get an anime, but oh well

>>144432132
Anime was ok,

The manga was way better and in general it was good because it didn't last too long and many of the characters got development.

Also the Answer Talker ability was handled well since by all rights it should have been super OP as shit, but it wasn't.

>>144437135
Liked it. But I mean he fucked himself over when he decided to make a manga about animals carnivores who won't eat meat.

That's why he had to cop out by saying that fish don't count.

>>144437234
>That's why he had to cop out by saying that fish don't count.
Didn't someone point that out and called the mc a fucking hypocrit?

Someone post shirtless Kiyo

>>144437297
Like in the manga? I don't think so.

It was explained that he couldn't talk to fish and therefore they weren't sentient and that they could therefore eat them.

But I recall the MC saying something like "when I'll be able to talk to them then we won't be able to eat them anymore"

At the end he also talks to a whale but that's not a fish so doesn't count.

>>144432132
Because Kiyoshi's just as badass as Gash is.

Kiyoshi seems like an average Joe, but once he sees an enemy attack, he's able to form a strategy around it. The only way to defeat him is to surprise him with something he hasn't seen yet.

>>144437312
>>144436703
Dude there's no such thing as shirtless Kiyo.
Let it go man.

>>144432132
Gash Bell is a fucking textbook example of a good battle shonen targeted towards a young audience.
It's got everything:
good comedy
serious scenes but never gets 3edgy6me. Ultimately doesn't take itself too seriously.
a varied cast: it's impossible not to find at least one character that you like
a simple, but still engaging, plot
good, interesting, fights
power of friendship
all that shit about being kind, learning how to make friends, etc.
It's everyting that should be in a kids manga. Anons complaining about it are just too old and expect something more deep and mature from an anime aimed towards kids.

>>144437443
Of course he was shirtless man, I just don't know when.

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>>144437297
>>144437420
He does gets called out on it, which is why he so desperately wants to find the fruit that the carnivores could eat too.

He's a goddamn wreck because he knows his entire mission in life is bullshit, yet he has no choice but try and and fulfill it.

>>144437313
V

>>144434146
The early Shaman King art was absolutely the best and the "pretty boy" designs got absolutely repulsive and Deviantart Snapesnogger-tier as the series went on. He was still obviously skilled but the character art took a HUGE step downward.

I've not read Bell but from what I've seen the art looks kinda standard and not special in some ways but it definitely has a charm to it and I'm sure there are some really good panels/spreads to punctuate important moments like >>144434102

The guy's a skilled artist, I saw a Gurren Lagann fan art piece he did with full colors and whatnot and it was very good

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>>144438260

>>144438260
>>144434146
Do you fuckers seriously find this to be good design? Yes I know it's not Shaman King but it perfectly illustrates his later design philosophy for drawing "pretty boys".

I'm not bothered by trying to appeal to fangirls/fags with sexualized design because I can find that stuff attractive myself; this is just straight up bad design sense.

>>144438260
>I've not read Bell

You should read Bell man. It's an amazing ride.

Was it good? I only saw previews of it on Toonami and assumed it was trash. Same with that Bobobo show.

Too busy watching Sailor Moon and Batman: TAS like a REAL NIGGA.

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>>144438260
The thing about Raiku is that the he can drawn really detailed and fairly realistic stuff if he wants to. Just take a look at the shit he did in Doubutsu.

But the way he draws in Gash (and Vector Ball for that matter) is not like that. It's rough and simplistic, but it's chock-full of charm and personality. It's really a matter of preference if you like that style or not.

Most anons think that many details = quality and sadly thinks he's not a good artist. It's really a shame.

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>>144438354
Forgot pic god damn

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>>144438400
The anime was mediocre, the manga was great.

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>>144438417
Sounds a lot like Shotaro Ishinomori in being HUGELY skilled but mostly drawing charming loose simple cartoony stuff, yet occasionally drawing something super-detailed and extremely solid. I like both types of art so obviously I love manga that mixes the two.
>>144438426
Meanwhile look at the early art for Shaman King, it's extremely appealing and fun while having a more irreverent tone to it, similar to Oda (who Takei is very good friends with)
>>144438358
It's one of the fighting shonens I'm most interested in, I will one day. I'll also probably watch that one movie with actually-good animation (I think it was the second one? It had a giant robot in it is all I can remember).
>>144438314
And yeah this is some pretty high-tier art obviously done by someone with lots of proper classic training

>>144438592
Read it now. DO IT.

>>144438628
Easy there cowboy.
He said he would do it.

>>144438452
The anime looks like it suffers from shit animation ASIDE FROM the movie I mentioned here >>144438592 and the third OP (I was wrong, it was not the second)

All the clips I've seen of the actual TV show outside of OPs looked like extremely low-tier early digital art with no good animation

>>144438653
I just want people to enjoy it as much as I do.

I reread it every 2 years and it's always an amazing ride.

Just make sure to listen to the anime's soundtrack when you read the manga. It's the best thing the anime has going for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLJc5hl6LDY

>>144438705
As do I anon, as do I.

If I have to be honest, Raiku just takes a while to build up his world, like around 30-40 chapters. Gash Bell had a very slow start then it peaked at Faudo. The ending was a little underwhelming but it did the job. Hoping Vector Ball is the same

Speaking of which, I also have chapters 6 and 7 translated but my typesetter doesn't wanna touch the magazine scans. Lemme know if anybody wants a trans-dump

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>this will never get a proper anime adaption

I hate this industry with a fucking passion.

>>144438705
A friend constantly tells me to read it too, I won't forget. Don't worry.

I'm kinda catching up on old popular shonens I've not bothered with for the 11 years I've been into anime now, for example I've been watching Ashita no Joe S1 and now I'm watching S2 which are both amazing (though the manga arguably did the Carlos fight better than either anime). Also marathoning Yu Yu Hakusho and I'm looking forward to the tournament arc that has a bunch of Shinbo-directed episodes and genereally great visuals. Also reading all that's available of Cyborg 009.

I'm gonna pick up the original Dragonball properly too (but switch to the manga in the episodes where the budget-saving gets really bad)

So yeah I have a lot of stuff to watch/read but I'll get into Gash eventually

>>144434107
Shaman king had the imfamous "Princess Hao" dream ending then got 10+ chapters as a finale.

They were a boss rush that ended with everyone riding a train and Hao getting bitch slapped by his mom. Then a time skip where Yoh is a hobo hippie, Ryu raises his kid, Horo Horo is a NEET, Chocolove is in prison, Lyserg actually got to be a detective, and Ren is banging Iron Maiden.

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>>144438834
>The ending was a little underwhelming but it did the job.
I liked the ending. Everyone taking their powers to the absolute limit, the party getting killed off one by one, a hugely OP final dungeon-esque boss and the finale where Gash gets empowered by all the demons he met during the series. Shit was fun.
I don't get why people have a problem with it.

And after it there was the epilogue and the final battle with Brago.
I can't think of a better way to end of the series.

>>144438988
The Clear arc was a little contrived to me, but it was very fitting for Brago and Gash to be the final two. I'll give you that.

>>144438988
All the stuff you mentioned was cool. The Final Boss however is really boring.

>>144439056
What else should it have done?
It already had an antagonist which had a clear relation to Gash and who was eventually redeemed.

I think it was natural that they next went for an irredeemable asshole.
I dunno, his annihilation magic felt really dangerous and I liked how the arc really emphasized that only a few of the strongest competitors were left.

>>144432132
Love the manga
It was a time before shonen devolved into whatever the hell it is now

One day I'll finish Gash. 200 chapters to go.

>>144439753
Read it a while ago, and am reading again. On 58. My nose is clogged. Eyes red. Too many tears. Also I can't seem my text on phone. I hate portrait mode.

>>144437135
DnK dropped in quality hard when chimeras happened in my opinion.

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>>144440890
Yeah, I think the first part was much better than the second half.
I don't think there was anything wrong with scaling up the narrative. The manga couldn't continue as it had up until that point anyways, but the chimera really clashed with the rest of the story.

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>>144432132
Shame all we have are shitty scans

Holy fuck are people translating Vector Ball?

I only just found out the other day and made a thread asking why more than the first chapter wasn't done.

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>>144442144
Someone translated the first volume

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>>144442144

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>>144442057
I'd be fine with this if we actually had a decent release in the U.S.

Also holy shit Raiku looks old. Was he always this old looking?

I'm kind of disappointed that Animal Land didn't get an anime adaption after it finished it's run.

Raiku's usually has all these goofy songs in his series and I want to hear them.

Knowing my luck, Vector Ball will get an anime and then get a crappy "original" ending.

>>144442338
Morikawa looks based

>>144433037
It's called GOLDEN GASH you fucking dipshit

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>>144442338
I always picture Raiku as a dorky kid.
But yeah, I guess most mangaka get old after their second long serialization.

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>>144442635
Doubutsu never really seemed like anime material to me.
I would love to see it as a movie or something though.

A Raiku thread that didn't die out immediately.
Color me surprised.

>>144443839
I could see it running for a 52 episode series. 39 at least.

It might come off as slower paced though, but I think there is enough material for it.

>>144432132
Zatch Bell was like a more traditional, more positive shounen version of Death Note (well, Zatch Bell came first, so Death Note is the less tradional, depressing version of Zatch Bell).

>Kiyo was the most intelligent boy in class, who was bored with life.
>He gets a book and a demon, that forces him to change (in this case) for the best.

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>missed a Raiku thread

Fuck bump for Kid.