Overanimation

>>144381629
The universe shouldn't revolve solely around the plot. You need viewers to feel connected to the whole story's world and not just the current drama.

>People try to argue that it's "Fun" but it really isn't it
/a/- The post

>>144381691
Then the director should give a reason for the viewers to care for the characters or world instead of having them do quirky things just because.

>>144381757
These quirks are are reasons. My post was originally about the background animations though.

>>144381995
Then it's wasting resources "just because".

It's not like you need to know every one of a ship's crew, Zeta Gundam does well enough only having the pilots and captain of the ship react to things while the ship crew just functions out of view.

>>144381629
>ADHD kid who think a 10 minutes talking head is the pinnacle of animation.

>>144381629
>Reconguista in G does more than overanimation, it also does overacting with everyone going "EEEEEEEH" whenever something happens,
That literally does not happen. Like, ever. There's a scene where Bellri grabs his girlfriend's ass and she just pushes his hand away instead of shouting at or slapping him.
>there's always something being animated in the background while characters are talking,
Sorry you hate being engaged, anon.
>there's too many characters doing pointless things or saying pointless lines, not contributing to the plot, as if going "Look at me, I'm so quirky.",
Not everything needs to be directly related to the plot, anon. It's called worldbuilding.
>like Steer for example, who responds in English for some random reason instead of Japanese like everyone else.
That's actually really common in anime. I actually thought her English was superb.

>>144382135
I just think it helps that whole atmosphere.

>>144382211
>There's a scene where Bellri grabs his girlfriend's ass and she just pushes his hand away instead of shouting at or slapping him.
Do you have a webm or do I actually have to watch G-reco?

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>forced animation
>over animation
>pretentious art style

Why does /a/ know nothing about animation?

>>144381629
This post is worse than the average shitpost.

People praise Tatami Galaxy as if it's the second coming but really, at it's climax, Tatami Galaxy was incredibly disappointing as it fails to explain why the central plot happens at all.

Why was the main character suddenly stuck in the tatami rooms and capable of traveling between alternate universes?
No explanation is given, we're just supposed to accept that's that.

An adapted work from the same author does this even worse, Uchoten Kazoku.
We're given the absurd setting where humans eat Tanuki, despite Tanuki being intelligent.
The show does not give any explanation as to why humans eat tanuki, does not give any reason why we should care about the tanuki nor any character.
Benten can fly for some reason despite being completely human.
The show has no plot, it's character driven, every character just talk about themselves as the story goes on and fails to engage the viewers.

>>144382320
https://youtu.be/zYDunqZIuJI?t=14m55s

>>144382320
I don't have the webm, sorry. Try asking /wsg/.

And G-Reco is a good series.

>>144381691
>You need viewers to feel connected
Funny, since this is often where Tomino shows fail

>>144382614
The reason the central plot of Tatami Galaxy happens is because Watashi is displeased with his experience in college. The sequence in the finale where he walks between his different tatami rooms is to show him that he really had no reason to be displeased with those experiences and that he should just continue on with his life and stop wallowing in his stupid ideal.

>>144382960
But it doesn't make any sense within the story as to why he is suddenly thrown into a magical cage of tatami rooms when the previous episodes had him go through his life normally or non magically.

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>>144382320
Just for you.

>>144383096
The whole show revolves around him magically going back in time. It's reasonable enough that other weird magic crap could occur as well. It's even foreshadowed earlier in the show, though admittedly that foreshadowing is both incredibly confusing and nigh on completely nonsensical on your first time through.

>>144382211
>I actually thought her English was superb
Her VA is a japanese-australian.

>>144381629
You might be retarded if a mecha clapping distracts you from the plot. It just adds to the fun.

>>144381629
You expect too much. Shit like your pic related is only made to sell toys.

>>144383502
>fun
There's that word again.
It's the word people go to when they can't say anything else about the show.

>>144383561
Stop replying to yourself OP.

>>144383561
Are you really unable to understand the concept of fun? Or even context in that case.

>>144383550
It's not though, Build Fighters was made to sell toys and it had passion.
G-Reco was Tomino trying to send out the same message he gave in Turn A Gundam.
"War is bad, kill people who wants war."

>I am a retard that can't pay attention to more than one moving thing at once
How are you not run over when going to the convenience store?

>>144381629
>overanimation

>>144383550
Almost all anime is only made for advertising

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>>144381629
>whenever something happens, there's always something being animated in the background while characters are talking, there's too many characters doing pointless things or saying pointless lines, not contributing to the plot


That's done with the intention of making it look more real, in reality people don't just stand still talking. They many times talk while moving or doing other tasks. Sometimes people not in the conversation might be in the same room as the ones talking but focusing on something else.

>>144383550
>Tomino
>giving a shit about mechandise
Yeah he loved it so much he actively sabotaged Victory by asking concept artists for Victory to make the dumbest MS and MA designs possible to spite Bandai for axing F91 and is even recorded telling people not to waste their money on Victory Gundam.

He made G-Reco because he wanted to have fun. Also:

>toys
>midnight slot run and air time

>>144383641
Tomino's message in G-Reco isn't about "war being bad" though.

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>>144381629
Is this bait? Are there really autists who can't focus on more then one thing at time in this day and age?

>>144383884
Yeah that was a cool scene.

>>144381629
>forced animation meme
kys

>>144383912
Raraiya killing off a ship means two things, the crew of that ship makes light of war and must be stopped(like how Kamille is 100% that Scirocco has to die for the war to stop) and that Aida can't be the one to do it because she's Amerian royalty.

>>144383936
>kys
No, you kill yourself.

>>144383998
The main message in G-Reco was about contolism.

>>144381629
>tl;dr I am a literal retard and everything should be lowered to a standard I can follow
Maybe you should try some website more easy on the eyes, OP. Here, try this: http://www.ndss.org/

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>>144384037
More like how Deikum was a deluded fuck.

>>144383912
>G-reco wasn't focused on mecha fights
>still had better action than IBO at more frequent intervals
I'm gonna make Okada pay for IBO, someday.

>>144384080
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>>144383795
I still don't understand one thing and that's the difference between the Capital Guard vs the Capital Army.

>>144384106
You should bitch more that GBF Try was less QUALITY then IBO. Try had the second and third stringer animators and newer studios at Sunrise doing Try while Tomino got all the money and budget and the best of Sunrise's animation teams for G-Reco.

Also Okada just does writing, not directing or producing or anything heading the show. Someone post QUALITY Atra.

>>144384194
They were just different branches, Capital Army was the newer of the two.

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>>144384194
Atra a qt though.

>>144384106
Its more embarassing at the fact Try got the shitty studio doing it and still looks better while IBO's animation director is really the main problem though I think their main guys are focusing on Love Live Sunshine.

>>144384194
The Capital Guard were the OG SU-Cordists. Think of them like the Titans, as an example (although they're not anything at all like the Titans). The Capital Army was set up as a supplementary force, think the AEUG (even though they were headed by the villain).

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>>144384194
Capital Guard only maintains and protect the capital tower, they abide by SU-Cord taboos, they're an established institution with proper training.

Capital Army are a bunch of start up fucks, undisciplined and with a thirst for war and more weapons, people speculate this is Tomino doing a criticism of modern right-wing Japan who are leaning towards a more militaristic society, being unfamiliar with war but eager to get into it.

>>144384194
Guard = Londo Bell or ECOAS; basically an elite task force
Army = ESF or rather the regular military

More divided around SU coridsm stuff mainly hence the rivalry between the two.

>>144384289
C U T E !

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>>144384350

>forced animation
You can try harder next time.

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>>144384607
IBO BDs are looking good.

Guy guys how come you don't realize this?

Having a "Goodbye everyone! It was fun while it lasted, but it's high time we move on." final message wasn't enough to dissuade Bandai so Tomino made G-reco as way of saying

>You wanted my Gundam this is what you get open wide bitch!
>Now don't bother me.

It's all intentional there is no point in criticising.

>>144384194
it's the difference between citizen militia and an army

>>144383884
[Black History starts playing in the background]

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>>144384194
Capital Guard
As the name implies its a glorified police/bodyguard squad where its main task is to maintain peace and protect the Capital Tower and Capital Territories.

Capital Army however was headed by this Mofo who using intrigue and Earthling fear of the unknown to justify the creation of Capital Army who is an Army where its influence went outside from the Capital Borders

Tl;dr
Capital Guard is JSDF,
Capital Army is IJA
The Unknown is Chinese

>>144381629

The proper term is forced animation.

>>144385369
>The Unknown are the Russians
Fixed for you.

>>144385420
>Russians
I thought the Japanese re-armament program was to counter Chinese influence over South China Sea Islands?

>>144385539
Also an excuse to nut up because of Kuril Islands dispute with Russia and Dokodo Islands with South Korea.

>>144385569
Revenge for Nagasaki and Hiroshima when.

>>144385689
I don't think Nips are dumb enough to want to polarize its relationship with the US when dealing with the fact every single neighbor they have hates them.

>>144384747
It's quite sad that, not only Tomino's final Gundam was lackluster in comparison, but it will be remembered by the shitposting surrounding it, rather than the show itself.

>forced animation thread becomes g-reco thread
Sasuga grecotards.

>>144385956
(You)

>>144385956
They're just desperate

and everywhere

Like hungry cockroaches

What is with the G-Reco threads recently?
It is like we have one every day.

>>144386355
Age of Neesans

>>144386441
>Whiny bitch useless sister keeps crying "MUH CAHILL"
>Bellri didn't even fuck her at the end

Age of Neesans my ass

>>144382614
> it fails to explain why the central plot happens at all.

Why are you people always so obsessed with the mechanical details? Seriously who the fuck cares about those? You're missing the point.

I guess this is what happens with the generation raised on all the bullshit light novels that spend two thirds of their material on the never-fucking-ending exposition vomit about their boring ass magic systems and school rules because they literally have nothing else to say.

>>144386527
>Aida
>whinny bitch
You didn't watch the show after episode 3 did you?

>>144386819
Learn to read, fucktard

>>144386792
It was hilarious seeing the contrast on /a/ vs /m/ with the G-Reco threads.

>/a/
>complaining about too many characters
>plot not being spoonfed into their brains
>requiring constant exposition or it gets "too complicated"
I bet every single detractor of G-Reco is probably born after 1997.

>>144381629
The only time overanimation is bad is when the show spends more time on expressing the animation than then telling the plot and setting up the characters

>>144386871
I did.

>>144386953
Then Utena.
There was a thread where the discussion led to the consensus that the show repeated animated segments as a necessity for symbolization, it spends a significant amount of time using animations shown many times before.

Is that bad?

>>144384194
Capital Guard would basically be like the JSDF, only there for defense at least on paper. Capital Army would be like a force that doesn't need "defense" to act.

>>144386792
That's one thing I noticed about the so-called hardcore fans.Sure, having a good setting/ believable verse to immerse in is important, but often these fans seem to obsess over the most minute of details and yet completely fail to understand the most basic of the story's concept. They'll keep nitpicking or wanting to know about all the little things all while ignoring the story or concept that the author may want to tell or when said details don't even matter to the story.

At some point, I wonder why these people even bother watching a show at all instead of reading a history textbook or some other technical manual since the story don't seem to matter much to them. By the end of the day, the setting is meant to complement or act as vehicles for the story/characters/ plot to be delivered. Having the most accurate and detailed setting alone does nothing if you don't actually back it up with proper story.

>>144383884
I wonder what happened to Turn A in the time between the ending and the start of G-Reco.

>>144387789
Wait, wasn't it destroyed alongside Turn X in the final fight?

>>144387920
Not sure if it destroyed or sucked out to another dimension because moonlight butterfly clashing, maybe Gym will make something out of them to spend his time in limbo.

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>>144384106
>>144384194
People like to pick on Okada, because she's the biggest name involved.
However the director had the reputation of being a huge hack long before that:
http://toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Cloverfield

Seems like anybody could have written IBO and it would have turned out a disappointment with him on the helm.

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Did someone say overanimation shit?

Is manga overanimated?

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>>144389337
That's true, but to be fair nothing you can really do if the script is shit to begin with.
Remember this? This is what you get when you pair the director behind Shirobako and Girls & Panzer with Okada as the writer.

>>144389384
Mob 100 is not overanimation, its tryhard animation - too many smears, distortions and off-key stuff trying to emulate shitty drawing of the author.

OPM had Murata`s great drawings and in anime looked as good. Mob just look like scribbles.

I for one, welcome our Overanimating overlords

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE7R3qNGdNA

>>144389660
Wasn't Mayoiga a manga before? It's not an original screenplay by Okada.

>>144389850
No, its original project, Manga was released at same time, with different story based on anime story too.

Its not Okada`s though - Mizushima came up with the story and characters, and Okada just did the script for anime.

Okada`s original of that season was Kiznaiver

>>144389907
Yeah, that sucked too.
So there you go.

>>144381629
You're right.

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>>144381629
Yeah it's almost as bad as forced animation

What are some good examples of underanimation? I imagine older anime would have those, like 50s-60s anime.

>>144391546
Dai-Shogun

>>144383561
Yeah, stick it to those plebs, enjoying their entertainment and all

>>144381629
I disagree entirely.
These people are working in an audio visual medium. Not animating something during long scenes of any sort of dialogue is just missing an opportunity, and breaking away from the animation of a few lips flapping and heads bobbing is just about the best thing you can do to keep viewers engaged.

Imagery can tell a story just as well as wording can, and not using both would be mediocre at best. We don't need to see characters having a conversation, we just need to see the players there to have said conversation, and the imagery that follows can enhance it, it can recontextualize it, it can expand on something completely different, or it can just make the viewers more engaged in keeping their eyes on the screen or feeling like the world itself is alive.

You mentioned Hyouka's room changing as an example, but the reason why you're wrong is because you think it disengages the viewer when, in fact, it engages them moreso than a long drawn out conversation would, which is why it was added in. Showing the rooms of a home is a good way to make a place feel comfortable, or even reflect that the characters feel comfortable or welcomed in that area with each other.
Just showing them talking would be fucking stupid. That works for a book because it would be extraneous to write descriptions of a scene where they constantly switch rooms, instead of just writing the conversation, but for an animation, the ability to do that is a bonus, not a drawback.

>>144389384
>>144389763
I think it's biggest failing isthat the animation style they went for so immitate ONE's is shit, and the material just isn't funny.

The characters are too hyperbolic, but somehow the situations are nowhere near absurd enough to justify it.

>it stops the viewers from being engaged with the discussion.
Maybe you should learn Japanese or learn how to read out of your peripheral vision so you don't have your eyes glued to the fucking subtitles to the point where anything moving on the screen distracts you.

>>144389384
The most visually inventive anime since Space Dandy. Everything OPM failed to be. How anyone can hate this but gladly eat up shit like Amanchu is beyond me.

>>144392162
>How anyone can hate this but gladly eat up shit like Amanchu is beyond me.
They target completely different demographics. It should be very easy for you to understand that, you've probably dropped a few shows this very season because they aren't targeted towards your demographic.

>>144392189
No, I'm just practically done with above average TV anime. I thought Osomatsu, Rakugo, Eupho were ok at best and I'm never going to return to them. Mob Psycho has been the only TV anime that has consistently entertained me since Dandy and Ping Pong.

>>144392423
I think you thought I quoted a different part of your post than I actually quoted.

>>144384106
Okada has nothing to do with the animation and directing. That's Nagais fault.

And i say that as someone who dislikes Okada.

And G-Reco simply had the far more experienced staff. It got made by Sunrise Studio 1 which consists of industry veterans. The studio responsible for Try and IBO only exists to shit out 1-2 new Gundams every year without any further direction.

>>144392848
>The studio responsible for Try and IBO only exists to shit out 1-2 new Gundams every year without any further direction.
But they always have Obari working for them.

>>144392976
Without him and a few other decent directors that Sunrise studio really would be a bland shithole.

I liked Overman King Gainer and G-Reco

>>144392976
And Obari exists solely to animate the same two cuts over and over, so it fits.

>>144381629
The plot is just there for cool animation to happen, not the other way around.

>>144381629
You're gonna make her cry anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YamWNqHQvgQ

>>144393000
>decent directors
Decent animator, sure. But I don't think he's actually directed something worth the time I spent on it since the second half of Bubblegum Crisis.

>>144394743
Then why not just make anime with the shortest plot and just overanimate it.

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>>144381629
I can't really believe someone would criticize the little background details in G-Reco. It was one of the great things about it. There was the obvious stuff you were supposed to focus on in a scene, but there was also usually something in the background going on too that helped give the world a sense of being bigger than just what was immediately happening. Watching it with /m/ helped me notice when it happened and keep track of everything as it happened.

Also, as >>144391927 said, this is animation. Just seeing things moving moving in interesting ways is enjoyable in it of itself. Movement of anything can help give character and tone to a scene, like the villain who's the focus of a scene clapping sarcastically and it being mirrored by another mech in the background. The eyecatches of the characters dancing also a way to show off animation and give a bit more of a visual flare to their characters. It's not even like G-Reco ever really did anything as egregious as this either >>144394840. The "overanimation" stuff was just showing the world moving beyond the focus of the scene.

>>144386792
Otaku are characterized by a constant, maniacal thirst for information. They are information junkies.

Anime all the way up until the mid/late 2000s provided entertainment for (anime) otaku. Why? Because there were shows which accommodated the otaku mentality, they produced books full of technical information, provided watchers with an overwhelming number of details and information about anything from how a mecha worked, what operating system a gynoid girl was running on or even the technical abilities of the catgirl from another planet, detailing the velocity and distance in her jumps.

Anime now does not cater for that, because it doesn't sell anymore. The buyers are consumers, not fanatics and the shows pander to this. If perhaps a show was to be released that does - then good. It's not strictly limited to what is in the past.

Yes you can be an otaku of anything, but anime and eroge alone do not cater to otaku. You can be a train, car, bike, computer, software, history etc. otaku, but if (somehow) any of those subject matters stop providing a source of data, there is nowhere for the otaku to go but backwards.

Think of otaku like a hard drive - they collect and store information and can access it at any time.

Fans of modern anime are not otaku, they are more like processors or RAM - storing information for as long as it's relevant and then dropping it all when something new comes along.

If you're only a fan of modern supercars, you're not a supercar otaku. If you only care about the latest games, you're not a game otaku.

>>144389660
Okada had no creative input with IBO though. If she did, it would actually be good, and not a boring generic Gundam

>>144395416
So much words yet not a single relevant point is made.

>>144395416
Except even UBW had it's info dumps adapted to it's anime. How can anyone forget the walking in circles.
You're also exaggerating the how pre mid 2000s had plenty of information at all. There are so many examples of shows that don't such as anything from drama or harem genres which aren't mecha. You're talking out of your ass: the most popular shows mid 200s and before had fuck all details: Love Hina, FMP, Eva, FMA, the Tsukihime adaption.

>>144381629
Some serious mental gymnastics going on there, anon.

Background animation and character movements help give the anime a more alive feelings, and an atmosphere that they aren't just cardboard cutouts on a backdrop. This is extremely important with heavy dialogue shows.

There isn't much a point of having an anime if you're not going to animate it.

>>144395416
I admire your effort but you are going to get more replies if you just write shorter bait.

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>>144394743
Uchoten Kazoku as an example, this story has little to no plot, start to finish, all the characters remain the same, no issue that is brought up in the story is resolved aside from their uncle being dead.
Benten gets a lot of attention doing a lot of mysterious things but none of it ever explained.
The only issue that seems to concern the main character directly is his relationship with Kaisei and even that is completely ignored, just mentioned.

>>144395773
>>144395625
>Otaku: Japan’s Database Animals

>>144394743
Says who?

>>144396415
Says every anime that is an adaption.
The only exceptions are anime-original.

>>144396512
I don't follow.

>>144396386
WOW WOW

Doesn't matter if there is no hope as long as the madness of the system grows.

>>144396543
The plot has already happened. Anime adaptions are merely trying to sell the source material, and the only thing anime has different is animation and sounds. Therefor, the plot exists merely for animation to happen in anime-adaptions.

>>144395416
Starting off a dozen-sentence post with "otaku" is basically the fastest way to get me to ignore you.

>>144396588
Plot having happened and a story being told are very different things. I think it's pretty easy to dispute that all adaptations are "mere advertisements" for the source. I think adaptations of works I know are cool because they offer new perspectives on the material, not because they're the exact same but with sound and music. I know there are a lot of people who fetishize by-the-panel faithfulness but even then, I see no reason why anything you're saying should be ontologically true.

>>144396713
>I think it's pretty easy to dispute that all adaptations are "mere advertisements" for the source
It's not, that's literally what they are. We don't get many adaptions for finished series for a reason. Generally the adaptions happen while the source is ongoing, unless it's a huge seller and they can capitalize on that.

>>144396747
But like, if you adapt Shakespeare you're not trying to shill his plays.

>>144396807
>implying that's remotely the same situation
Not him, but are you retarded? Shakespeare's investors aren't fucking funding the adaptations.

>>144396807
This isn't applied for other mediums. Book to movie adaptions for example happen after a series is finished quite often.

>>144382614
Sounds like a speed watcher if they couldn't figure out why Benten can fly.

>>144396564
Back to jail, tax evader.

>>144381629
>I can't pay attention to more than one thing at once and background characters should be still cutouts completely out of place with the rest if the environment

>>144381629
>"Look at me, I'm so quirky."
This is your problem in a nutshell. Basically, your mentality is the problem here, not anime itself.
And while I think there are example of over-animated scenes, those scenes are wrong not because of the reasons you presented.

>>144392162
I always wonder about those extremes people seem to always go for. Like you love one thing and raise it to heavens but you feel the need to condemn some other series to hell. Mob Psycho 100 has been fantastic so far and hopefully it stays so. At the premiere of first episode they alredy had finished episodes up to eighth so they have decent schedule to keep things decent. Amanchu! is fantastic, playful and fun iyashikei.

>>144398864
Tribalism. My taste is good, and whoever shares not my taste is my enemy and must be destroyed. Because I cannot destroy over the internet (yet), I can at least hurl insults and belittle anyone who is my enemy.
>curse you, pants-heretics. Shirts forever.