DRAGON BALL SUPER

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>>144304327
need to find out more of this yellow kai too

universe 10 god of destruction reveal when

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>>144305001
close up

>>144304327
Goku is just a SSJ2.

There i no God Base Goku

Saiyan Beyond God is a seperate power up

Base goku still = Frieza saga base goku

Zamasu = Buu Saga SSJ2 Goku

>>144304327
that quality

>>144305500
what? there is no just ssj for, he absorbed god ki so god ki is his base so green kai is atleast god level minimum

>>144305706
that has been retconned. Base goku is base goku level, SSJ Goku is SSJ Goku level.

>>144305706
If Goku uses god ki, he either has the white aura like in Return of F, Red hair or blue hair.

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what subs are you watching guys? is deadfish any good?

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>>144305763
the manga is not the canon, nothing was retconned

>>144305765
>headcanon

out

>>144305858
they should be good to go anywhere by now for english

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L-lewd!

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If you're a Gohanfag who wasn't happy for him by the end of the episode you aren't a true fan. Yes, he's not the killer fighter we grew to love, but he hasn't been that way for over a decade now. I am not ashamed to admit I'm a 26 year old man who shed a tear over a Chinese cartoon after realizing that Gohan has finally found peace and is pursuing his dream.

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>>144306087

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>>144306059
you must be joking

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>>144306105
B-But he was gonna become a Super Saiyan God Rainbow 500

>>144306059
>>144304327
Holy shit man, kill yourself.

>>144306175
>gt fags would actually like this

>as strong as SSJ2 Goku
>SSJ2
Wow it's literally nothing

>>144305972
>implying its headcanon
Goku outright states he wont tap into his God Ki unless its a strong opponent

>>144306249
To be fair, SS1 Goku was stronger then Freeza, who was basically the emperor of space because he was so absurdly powerful no one on the 400+ worlds he conquered could stand up to him.

SS1 anyone is like in the top .1% of strongest people in the unvierse.

>>144306175
But that would not only take Goku's spotlight away from him but that would also retcon Gohan to have the body of a teen and this series already has no concept of aging considering most of the cast are in their 40s and 50s and everyone still has the bodies of 20 year olds

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Original time line Trunks found the blueprints of shutting down the 17 and 18 and didn't need to become stronge to beat them. In the long run this fucked him over and became easy prey for cell unlike the other Trunks we know from super that got strong and easily killed cell so the original time line cell and took the time machine and started the time game of thrones. The Orginal time line is like the most fucked time line to date since majin buu and goku black fucking shit up in that time line no trunks to save it. Christ

>>144305706
He did absorb it but he never taps into it,unless situation calls for it.Consider Hit vs Goku fight.He countered non-improved Hit without any powerup while SSB Vegeta struggled and SSJ Vegeta struggled against Magetta
SSJB>Base+God>SSJ3>SSJ2>SSJ>Base

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>>144306099
Are we sure? Black seems to treat saiyans and humans distinctly. He says humans are the one and only failed creation of the gods, which sounds like he's singling them out. Aside from planets and non sapient animals, what else do the gods create? If he meant mortals he'd probably phrase it in a more broad or distinct fashion.

He's already destroyed several planets but it wasn't clear if they were planets with random species or alternate earths.

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>>144306233
but its you superfags that will actually get this

>>144306175
Get your sonic oc outta here

>>144306354
the original timeline is the future trunks timeline.

the one were trunks dies is timeline 3

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>>144306264
not that you can actually prove that headcanon shit anyway, because you can't, but, here (you) go

>>144306105
>If you're a Gohanfag that isn't happy about him being written out of the show, then you're not a true fan.

Gee, thanks. I should be so happy when my favorite character who has been central to the series since it started is dropped off because they don't know what else to do with him, and they certainly wouldn't DARE fuck up the Goku/Vegeta circlejerk we've got going on here. It's certainly not like they could have him be a scholar AND a fighter, it's not like he didn't learn his lesson in the Buu Saga.

I don't know why we're pretending that "and he went to go do other stuff!" isn't the character being written out of the series, ESPECIALLY in this series Tien always wants to train, so I guess Tien fans should be happy that...he lives in the mountains, trains all day and night but never gets to go anywhere with his strenght because he's not a Saiyan and the writers don't care enough to do with anything with him, even in this series of asspulls and power ups from nowhere?

Vegeta fans bark and complain for decades about his protrayal in GT, and get their way, but as long as we're shitting on Gohan, it's A-OKAY
Didn't Vegeta say he was never going to fight again at the end of the Cell Saga? Should have have stopped fighting then, and angry Vegeta fans should have respected his wishes?

Why are we going this fucking far to make excuses for Super for doing something (even worst handled than) that GT did that people fucking HATED? At least GT had the excuse that not everyone could go on the trip, here Super is desperate to keep everyone out of the way. Is Buu going to have another hibernation?

Enough excuses, already.

>>144306142
Why is Pan so fucking strong?

>>144306249
>god ki goku
>+ssj2
>nothing

(you)

>>144306532
>using the (You) meme
Someone is mad

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>>144306233
>GT fags
>like that
>implying that's based on Super Saiyan 4
Super fag pls you and I both know our series are steaming hot shit

>>144306567
do you really want to see future trunks whack away Pan like a ball?

>>144306175
>Like, nothing perthonell, kid, like thotally

>>144306541
Buu saga shat on Gohan far harder than Super ever did. At least he gets a happy ending instead of jobbing and dying again.

>>144305500
The fuck are you saying?
He is stronger in base form now than super perfecr cell.
If he got stronger his base form did too.
That is not hard to understand

>>144306567
Because Gohan has fucking mystic powers?

Even in Super, Vageta admits Gohan has the greatest potential of any of them when they are trying ti figure out who to take to the U6 V U7 tournament.

Makes sense Pan is strong as fuck

>>144306354

This post is a mess but it gets the general idea right.

>>144306567
videl is a succubus that stole all of gohan's mystic powers with her vagina, and then transferred them into Pan

>>144306618
Look at the room nigga.

>>144306419
Go back to the 'Champa' arc.Champa states that lets have a fight between 'Ningen' of this universe and theirs.
Ningen seems to be just a refer to all living beings in DBS.
Also they will have to make a giant asspull to explain the implied 'Ningen' distrust Zamasu has when they already stated that U10 is not like U6 or U7.

So what I take from this, They're gonna beat up Goku Black but leave Zamasu set up as the Universe 10 rep for the next tourney arc?

>Universe 7 - Goku, Vegeta
>Universe 6 - Hit, Cabba (though I'd prefer Magetta over lolsaiyan)
>Universe 10 - Zamasu and someone else who might appear in this arc

>>144306142
So this is the real reason Gohan isn't fighting. If he leaves Pan alone, she'll level a couple city blocks every time she has a tantrum.

>>144306541
Only delusional fans didn't see this coming after Golden Freeza.
I knew he was fucking done as a character the moment he showed up in his Green jumpsuit. It's not like this series abandoning character or misusing them terribly but don't try and pretend like this was some big emotional moment and book-end for Gohan when all it did was to make Future Trunks think about suffering some more. If they have Gohan jump in the fray anyway for jobbing (Because this series can never get enough of that), then it'll make the whole thing moot anyway.

And if the series is willing to do THIS to Gohan, then do you think it'll spare any bones for Future Trunks? So far all he's done is suffer and cry.
I certainly hope so, I'd gladly trade Gohan for Trunks if it means that the Goku/Vegeta circlejerk ends, but I honestly fucking doubt it. Are they going to allow him to get strong enough to finish a fight on his own, and not.
1) have it immediately rendered insignificant by some transformation or new stronger character immediately beating him down
2) Have Vegeta finish the fight for him, because Vegeta is Good Dad and Vegeta needs even MORE fights under his belt!

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>>144306411
ssjb vegeta struggled because his technique is worse than goku and he's weaker because he never aloutright absorbed god ki into him permanently like goku

why wont you veggie fags just learn to accept that he's second rate at best

>>144306142
Wetdream for Panfags

>Trunks comes from a time where Gohan was living in constant misery and anxiety over the Androids, he was driven by nothing but his anger and had to always watch over Trunks. He died scared and alone
>He now sees Gohan living a fantastic life. Surrounded by loved ones, doing what he loves and is genuinely happy.
Trunks is happy for him, why can't you faggots be too?

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>>144306541
Shoo shoo Gohanfag

>>144306541
>Vegeta fans bark and complain for decades about his protrayal in GT
>in GT
>GT
I don't even have words

>>144306768
Actually, Vageta has far better technique then Goku, what keeps him down is his inability to relax, as Whis has stated.

>>144306580
No
God+Goku form is strong enough he don't need to turn to SSj in that form.Look at the Hit vs Goku fight he didnt go SSJ.Its more like Gohans Ultimate form.
For reference see >>144306411

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will we ever get to see a girl going ssj?

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>>144306754

>>144306727

>Ningen seems to be just a refer to all living beings in DBS.

Well since we've never seen a non-humanoid intelligent species as far as I remember it makes sense.

Black has a grudge against intelligent/sentient life, he only likes animals and plant.

Black is a fucking treehugger, jesus christ how horrifying.

>>144306837
Only in vidya games

>>144306661
If you're going to put it like that, then the Buu Saga pretty much shat on everybody.

Everyone gets killed/their asses kicked by some form of Buu, and they only get rid of him at the very end of the series by borrowing the powers from everyone on Earth, and they only get that done via the help of Mr. Satan.

Goku's first attempt against Kid Buu results in him getting knocked out, and Vegeta has to take a stab at it to even LESS effect.
Absolutely nothing goes right for them until the very end, and here they don't even have the excuse of ruining it with bad decisions, something just goes WRONG each time.

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>>144306741
...oh my god. Gohan is Nanoha. Pan is Vivio. And Videl is Fate, explaining everything.

Dragon Ball Super?

More like Dragon Ball StrikerS.

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>>144306419
where is it stated that perfection destroyed any planets? he only wiped out the evil humanoid populations

These past few episodes have really been hitting home just how astronomically fucked up his life has been. He sees his destroyed world where ever he looks. He sees everyone he loves dying over and over again. He sees the life he could have had ripped away from him. He can't even escape it in his dreams, and his first reaction whenever he wakes up is to attack. It's just heartbreaking.

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Did Trunks save DBS? Or did Black?

>>144306754
I loved that whole episode
>S-satan punch
>waaah

>>144306768
Copy Vegeta Ep says otherwise.And no its not filler.There is no filler in DBS.And Akira said in an interview both Vegeta and Goku can tap God Ki in their bases.

So does Bulma know who Pilaf and co are, or is she just not questioning how these random kids know almost as much about advanced technologies as she does.

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>>144306837

>>144306727
>implying this series hasn't been one giant asspull after the other

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>>144306881
i still have hope

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>>144306837
:^)

>>144306806
Don't have words for people complaining about what GT did to Vegeta?

>>144306903
Actually, Goku admits he COULD have killed buu when he first went SS3, but didn't do it becuase he wanted the next generation to handle it.

the entire Buu arc could have been avoided had goku
JUST
FUCKING
KILLED
HIS
OPPONENT
When he had the chance

Its the same shit with Cell, and Black, and Freiza

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>>144306935
Mai did

Also no shitty re-tellings, or uninterrupted tourney

>>144306727
It's inconsistent though. For example, Goku was considered the first "ningen" stepping on Kamisama's palace back in Dragonball, which seemed to exclusive Kamisama himself (who was there even before becoming a god) and Popo.

Black also hasn't referenced Trunks as "ningen" directly yet, only Saiyan.

So, it could be mortals, or it could be specifically "human", it's not known yet.

>>144306908
>Videl is Fate
this hurts me
why do you do this

>>144306952
>copy veggy says otherwise
>killed by goku not even using kaioken

BTFO


>akira said this
first of all, source, secondly, that doesn't mean goku isn't superior, since we KNOW he is

>>144306935
Trunks cucking Trunks is the only good thing in this series

>>144306973
>>144306960
thats not a real girl sadly

>>144306956
>implying Dragonball never happened
Toriyama pls

>>144306981
I thought he said that he could have only done it if he really went all out, and he was running out of time to teach them the Fusion technique.

But if we're going to put it like that, he may as well just went SSJ3 on Vegeta and knocked him out as quickly as possible. But would Babidi would have absorbed that energy anyway?

>>144305858
> deadfish
> sub group

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>>144306837
Well.....

>>144306956
I honestly doubt bulma remembers Pilaf and Co its been literally decades, and shes gone through a lot of weird shit

>>144306960
Um wow go back for a second.
I clearly missed something here.
Is that Videl going super saiyan?

People really believe the 'god ki' bullshit? Are you saying ssj2 Trunks is god tier too? It's just a regular ssj2
>b-but muh copy vegeta beating gotenks

Oh cool, shit from filler

>>144306592
>ironically using he mad

>>144307110
T-thanks deviantart...

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>>144306952
>There is no filler in DBS
Anything that's not part of Toriyama's skeleton script that he's given to Toei and Toyble is filler

Problem is that it's hard to figure out what exactly is and isn't filler.

Except: the changes and additions to the movie re-tellings, and anything that has no significance like SS Mr Satan, the Pan episodes, and Purple Vegeta

Watch as Purple Vegeta will be completely skipped in the DBS manga.

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>>144306935
he would have if he was still have his old hair, old jacket and gains yes, I am still mad because of the lack of gains

>>144307156
>Oh cool, shit from filler
Nothing in Super can be filler since its the source material, and not an adaption of anything.

>>144307154
Pregnant Videl became SS

But she cheated using Pan's saiyan blood. Doesn't count.

>>144307200
Twinks > bears

>>144306956
In the manga, they only met once. I don't think she remembers them, just assumes they're random kid geniuses like herself was.

>>144306976
I don't have words for you

>there are people who still believe Dragonball Super anime isn't the one true canon
This just in: Mangafags remain on suicide watch

>>144307182
>anything not in my headcanon is filler


typical...oh wait

>mangafag

that explains it

>>144307200
>implying he won't be jacked up again when he gets train by Vegeta again
Soon!

>>144307156
Base Goku vs Beerus, SSJ Goku vs Beerus, Base Goku vs Freeza. There's no bulshit. That arc was filler, but it was right about the power scale.

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>>144307278
>Soon!
indeed.

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>>144306976
>Don't have words for people complaining about what GT did to Vegeta?

I feel bad for them

>completely absent during first saga, except that he had a flat-top and a mustache
> Possessed by Baby.
> Couldn't beat Android 17
> Completely jobbed as SS4

His only feat in GT was...kill Nappa again?

>>144307069
>killed by goku not even using kaioken
>when he was almost dying
A fucking laser almost killed the Base+God Goku you are speaking of.And that don't even has the excuse of being a filler
>first of all, source
Google it 'Toriyama Interview RoF'
>goku isn't superior, since we KNOW he is
I never said otherwise.Infact the fact that he was able to counter Hit in just God form outright proves it.All I said was when Goku and Vegeta uses ordinary SSJs they don't use their God powers and are only slightly stronger than Buu Saga levels

>>144307311
I still hate Trunks' SS hair.

It just looks dumb.

Even more so then normal SS hair transforms

>>144306836
try writing a cohesive sentence, this is just broken english

>>144307272
>This just in: Mangafags remain on suicide watch
>>144307276

Don't you mean anime fags? Anime fags that didn't realize that Super has filler are the ones whining about Gohan's training with Piccolo being forgotten or dropped off screen, when it was clear from Toriyama's interview in the manga that he didn't intend something like that for Gohan at all.

>>144307317
Well, that's exactly my point. He and various other characters didn't get to do much of anything, but now that Vegeta is over, and other characters aren't, the story is now HEY SHUT THE HELL UP GOHANFAGS, YOUR SHITTY CHARACTER IS RETIRED.

>>144307221
>>144307276

>Nothing in Super can be filler since its the source material, and not an adaption of anything.

>The source material for the movie re-tellings are the movies. Hence any new content in the re-tellings are filler

> Same way as any new content not in the DBZ manga was considered filler

DBZ anime = DB Manga (source material)
DBS anime = BoG+RoF+ Toriyama's drafts (source material)

Is it that hard to understand?

>>144307432
>The source material for the movie re-tellings are the movies. Hence any new content in the re-tellings are filler
Lol no, the movies are simply no longer canon.

Just like how Super is adapting some elements of xenoverse, but that doesn't make xenoverse canon

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when Goten coming back?

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>>144307387
But that's completely different

Gohan always wanted to be a scholar and wanted peace

Vegeta always wants to fight and wants to train.

VERY different scenarios, anon

>>144307221
>Nothing in Super can be filler since its the source material

I know Toriyama is a retard but even him wouldn't make a fucking filler shit like that pointless mini arc

Filler till they show character designs made by him for that shitty filler

>>144307432
>he thinks DBZ movies are canon to DBS
Inb4
>b-but they're DBS movies!
Check again they're
>Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods
>Dragon Ball Z Revival of F

>>144307358
I swear, this happens with especially more mainstream franchises. Talk about Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Dragon Ball, and whatnot, and these weirdos with horrible grammar come in.

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>>144307490
>Lol no, the movies are simply no longer canon.
BoG was re-written by Toriyama

RoF was completely written by Toriyama from the beginning

Yet, you're saying Toei's take on Toriyama's work is the new canon? What?

>>144307496
>Look at all this food dad
>You get none of it
>I shall have it all
>That's what you get for training all the time

>>144307334
literally all ki blasts are lasers, your point?

>b-but it was unexpected!

who cares

>google it
link it you faggot, this is on you to prove not me

>all i said was

all you said was WRONG point blank period. use your brain next time

>>144307584
Thats because hispanics and blacks love shit like Dragon Ball and Bleach.

Like seriously, in countries like Mexico, Goku is painted on the side of buildings for ads because Dragon Ball is like fucking that mainstream there

>>144307570
>Check again they're
>Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods
>Dragon Ball Z Revival of F

Only because "Dragon Ball Super" wasn't a thing when the movies came out.

Common sense, anon

>>144307490
>Lol no, the movies are simply no longer canon.
That's why Gohan is training with Piccolo and the Pillaf gang left to never meet the main cast again rather than staying on Bulma's house? Oh, wait, it's exactly the other way around. The movies are clearly canon. The changes in Super's version of the events are clearly just ignored when they conflict with the movies.

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>>144307387
jesus christ you are retarded

>Toriyama checks Toyotaro's storyboards for the manga and makes changes if he wants to
>Still thinking the manga isn't canon

why are DBfags so retarded?

>>144304327
>Supreme Kai are shit-tier
>Zamasu can take on Goku because plot

Power creep ahoy.

>>144307570
Shut up you retard!

>>144307358
>>144307584
>>144307668
The reason why I am not using the perfect grammatical form that you grammer fags want all the post in this thread to be is not because my English is shit.Its because I have to form a quick counterargument and I expect an intelligent person well versed in quantitative analysis would easily understand what I am typing.
Sorry you guys didnt understand

>>144307732

A random Supreme Kai is much stronger than a random Saiyan though. Zamasu is supposed to be fighting genius among the Kai according to the episode preview.

Gohan and Trunks spent the entire day together and not once did Gohan ask "oh hey what are you doing here"

>>144307497
Vegeta also said that he would never fight again at the end of the Cell Saga, and Gohan also realized how important it was to keep up with training, and he didn't shy away from getting a turn to fight or do the right thing during the Buu Saga, he just didn't want to be bothered with people asking him about how he can do all the things he could do. If that was the case, he would have never adopted the Saiyaman persona in the first place!

Hell, he's the only DBZ fighter that used his ability outside of fighting aliens/monsters/outside of the tournament. Shit, even Krillin gave up fighting, and he spent most of his life training to be a great martial artists, more than GOhan's been alive

So should Vegeta have given up right then and there and not done anything the entire Buu Saga? It's not like they CAN'T write him into the story, and shit, maybe use some of his learning for something great, the point is that they're writing him OUT.

Why are we this adamant to make excuse for abandoning a character? Should fans of Buu be glad he's taking another nap or too dumb to enter another tournament? Didn't this series try to write Goku out with being satisfied with being dead, and immediately get complaints to send him back in?
Would you be satisfied if Goku and/or Vegeta died and stayed dead because they get to fight really strong guys in the afterworld?

>>144307772
^this

Supreme Kai in Universe 7 said all the Supreme Kais were 1,000 times stronger then Freiza

>>144307490
Super's version of Toriyama's BoG and RoF:

>removed any Trunks x Mai
>SSG Goku vs Beerus's "universe-breaking punches"
>Gotenks' fusion lasting less than a min in RoF
>Tagoma-Ginyu
>Piccolo's death
>Gohan's resolve to train again

All that shit is filler. Toei removing Trunks x Mai was a slap in the face.

Good thing Toriyama forced Toei into the pairing with this new arc.

>>144305500
He was wrecking a post 4 month training powered up final form Frieza in his base form so you're wrong.

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>>144307732
>because plot

supreme kai's were never weak to begin with, watch the newest subs, Zamasu isn't just any supreme kai, he's the cream of the crop and he doesn't even seem to be scared of beerus like the bitch kai's of U7

>>144307833
I thought he said HE was 1000x stronger than Frieza, and the other Supreme Kais were stronger than him. Did I get that wrong?

>>144307841
>All that shit is filler.
[citation needed]

>>144306105
Here
>>144307647

>>144307311
dyel faggot

>>144307805
>Vegeta also said that he would never fight again at the end of the Cell Saga

When?

How do you fellow DBfags rank your Top 5 favorite DB movies?

World's Strongest
Deadzone
Battle of Gods
Fusion Reborn
Resurrection F/History of Trunks

>>144306727
Like >>144307017 said, it seems inconsistent though as far as things go whenever people refer to Nintendo as mortals or humans. Since he says humans are the one and only failed mistake it seems like he's singling a group out as opposed to saying all mortal beings are a mistake.

>>144306732
So maybe present day Zamasu will be redeemed and future Zamasu/Black will be killed?

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>>144307902
>[citation needed]

Watch BoG and RoF. Where Toriyama was actually involved.

And compare that to Toei's version.

>>144307898
Maybe, I could be rememebring wrong.

Point is though, even weak Supreme Kais are still 1,000 times stronger then the guy who ruled the galaxy and even Beerus was shocked to hear someone managed to beat.

The only things we have seen stronger then Supreme Kais are kid Buu and Beerus/Whis

>>144307868
So how many Supreme Kai took on Buu and managed to win again? :^)

>>144305706
>>144306532
It's pretty explicit Goku and Vegeta used their good ki to go Super Blue. Just give up faggot. Trunks was able to stand Black's attacks and Black was able to stand Goku's attacks. They don't have god ki.

>>144307758
it wasn't understandable because it was wrong you retard now try again, shitty opinions is no reason to not proof read

>>144307660
You dont even make sense this time.Are you even try to discuss or just fishing for (You)s
>literally all ki blasts are lasers, your point?
That was my point
>b-but it was unexpected!
I never said that.In DBS he powered down when it hit him.DOn't use movie as reference
>who cares
Why are you even here?
>link it you faggot, this is on you to prove not me
I dont really care to prove it only to YOU as any one who followed the series ust have read the interviews
As you said who cares about YOU?
>all you said was WRONG point blank period. use your brain next time
Now you are mad

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>>144307496
when they decide to use Gotenks again

>>144307992
Oh I see what you wanted
(You)

>>144307985
The U7 Supreme Kai are just shit-tier, that's all.

>>144307805
(you)

>>144307992
(You)
(You)
(You)
More for more satisfaction

>>144307898
Yeah, he was the youngest and weakest among the U7 Kai.

It's almost like Toi and Toriyama don't give a shit about Dragonball and are just milking it at this point.

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they shoul kill goku, gohan and vegeta and allow new generations to save the world

>>144307985
>>144308066
That Tall Kai and Supreme Kai did manage to win.Its just they did'nt expect his absorption technique.

>>144307985
South Kai beat him but then got absorbed.

>>144307985
U7 leading supreme kai was a fat fatty so you know right away he was lazy fighter tier, plus i don't think they knew buu couldn't be killed unless you completely erased his body

>>144307911
This. If anything, the fact that Future Gohan got fucked up so badly should be an indication to train harder, not quit training altogether.

Not much of an opportunity to be the nerdy family man when your family and all of humanity are dead and Earth is destroyed.

Dragon Ball characters lack priorities.

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>>144307965
>How do you fellow DBfags rank your Top 5 favorite DB movies?

Before anyone says anything...

I rank the last 2 movies as my #1 and #2 mainly because of the animation, fighting choreography, that it doesn't conflict with any established canon, and that it continues DB's story:

Top 5
> Battle of Gods
> Resurrection F
> Fusion Reborn
> Dead Zone
> World's Strongest
> Broly 1

>>144308165
Fair point.

Rest was still garbage though.

And being able to destroy Buu is a minimum feat. The gap between destroying Buu and keeping up with Goku in SSJ2 + God Ki is huge.

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you know, in a perfect world trunks goes SSB and kills black goku at one point in this arc.
same world where frost is a hero and cheat for justice, that very same world where buu fought maggetta and jaco was U7 fifth fighter.
that same perfect world with vegeta getting the spotlight and killing golden frieza without a hurry.
same fucking world were mystic gohan was there for his dad in space, ready to catch him when he faints after fighting beerus.

>>144307902
Not really filler, but between both versions the movies are probably closer to Toriyama's vision.

He did not work on the arcs retelling the movies, just like he provides guidelines to the newer arcs, the movies themselves were the guidelines for those arcs.

And I doubt Toriyama knos or cares too much about what Toei changed around in their version of the movies.

>>144308002
>t-thats what i ment! i sware!

yea, right

>i dont gotta prove my bullshit :(

obviously, because you can't


>i'm mad

pot meet kettle

>>144308250
SSJ2 does'nt have God Ki though

>>144307978
>Kid Trunk's hair is blue in Toriyama's illustration

What?

>>144308273
she was such a cute :3

>>144308273
You know what would help? If people would actually fucking communicate.

Vegeta and Goku are both SSJB. Presumably, they know how it's attained, at least Vegeta.

The fact that Trunks doesn't at least ask, or that Vegeta or Goku don't at least offer to teach him speaks volumes about the downs syndrome they all have.

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Soon.

>>144308319
it does for son goku

>>144308298
>the movies are probably closer to Toriyama's vision.

BoG was re-written by Toriyama, and RoF was literally written by Tori from the ground-up.

Yea I think the movies are closer to Tori's vision too.

>>144307044
Why? Both Fate and Videl are objectively the best girls of their series, and both got even cuter once married.

>>144308319
People and Toriyama gotta make up their mind.

Did Goku's base form get empowered by God Ki after he absorbed it, or didn't it?

I mean, okay, it doesn't utilize God Ki the same way SSB does, which is a true god form, but the implication when Goku went SSJ at the end of BoG was still that he at least absorbed SSJG's power.

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>>144307965
Battle of Gods
History of Trunks
Resurrection F
Bardock Father of Goku
Dragon Ball Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return

>>144308135
>they shoul kill goku, gohan and vegeta and allow new generations to save the world
Good thing Goku and Vegeta die soon according to DBO

Which will inspire Gohan to write "Groundbreaking Science"

>>144308400
Mai is better in Super

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this episode was snug as fuck. I love Gohan even more after this episode.

>>144308133
Their Jew scheme is working well.
Once Super finishes people will still be bawing about shitty it was just like GT. Then those people will buy all the merchandise in hopes of a NEW Dragonball series to erase the sins of Super and GT and make other characters matter again. After milking thise series for all the money they can they'll create a NEW Dragonball series with promises of "It's not Super, It's not GT it's Grand Super Z!!!" Where they'll repeat the same sins again and Dragonballtards will eat that shit up

>>144306935
Black. Trunks is pretty much doing the same thing he did in the android saga. He's not hurting it tho.

That would be shitty mai.

>>144306567
Videl got that mystic dick and transferred all of Gohans strength to Pan

>>144308456
Yeah, but only the loli one.

>>144307965
Fusion Reborn
RoF
Cooler
Mighty Tree or whatever that Turles movie
Metal Cooler

>>144306567
you know Gohan, Goku and Goten were strong as fuck as babies too right? this proves nothing. only thing thats surprising is the flying ability.

>>144307841
>SSG Goku vs Beerus's "universe-breaking punches"

That might actually be canon since it was briefly mentioned in the manga too. Same goes to the Satan stuff in episode 1 of Super.

Any Sakugafags here?

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>>144307496
When his boyfriend stops being a faggot and calls him

>>144308432
>Good thing Goku and Vegeta die soon according to DBO
It's still decades from now and Super hasn't even crossed the end of Z line yet. Also, Toriyama doesn't have a good track recording in reusing material that didn't appear in the manga, even if he created it originally - see how the Tuffles are completely different in Z filler and Episode of Bardock, even though both designs came from him.

>>144307496
Should he? If I remember correctly, he had pretty much stopped fighting by the end of Z, and that's why Pan kicked his ass.

So, it makes sense he's getting sidelined.

>>144308309
I want reddit to stop treating this site as a r/circlejerk

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>>144307965
no order: cooler 2, broly 1, janemba
i have all movies on hdd for years yet i still havent watched 1-4, bojack, future trunks or bardock and few more, i feel kinda mad about this

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>>144308621
well when present trunks loses the maibowl he has Goten waiting for him

>>144305500
Base Goku > Final Form ROF Frieza First Form ROF Frieza > SSJ2 Gohan > Kami + Piccolo > Rest of the Z-Fighters

Base Buu Saga Goku isn't stronger than a Buu Saga SSJ2 Gohan, and Piccolo was as strong as an SSJ1. Both beginning of Buu Saga SSJ2 Gohan and RoF SSJ2 Gohan are equals because both versions of Gohan were slacking off when it comes to training. Despite this, SSJ2 Gohan is stronger than the rest of the Z-Fighters in RoF besides Goku and Vegeta. First Form Frieza completely wrecked SSJ2 Gohan. Frieza was never that powerful in Namek as he got his shit kicked in by SSJ1 Goku.

Goku's base power has gotten stronger in Super. Whis trains Goku in base form and prevents him from using SSB. Base Goku also held his own against Beerus in that Monaka episode. Actually current Base Goku did better against Beerus than BoG SSJ3 Goku, angry Vegeta, Fat Buu and Mystic/Ultimate Gohan. Current Base Goku is stronger than Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku because Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku got one shotted by Beerus.

How can you forget such obvious details? Both Black and Zamasu are stronger than Buu Saga SSJ2 Goku because they can compete with current SSJ2 Goku, who's much stronger than Buu Saga SSJ2 Goku.

Goku has long surpassed Buu Saga powerlevels. Anyone who can compete with current SSJ2 Goku, who's stronger than Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku, is ATLEAST a Buu Saga top tier.

>>144308675
>even thinking about reddit

stop telling on yourself

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>>144308670
>and that's why Pan kicked his ass.
you really think Goten would go full power against a 5 year old?

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>>144307956

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>>144308432
>Good thing Goku and Vegeta die soon according to DBO

>Which will inspire Gohan to write "Groundbreaking Science"

DBO's timeline was written by Toriyama correct?

Right now, DBS is somewhere around Age 779-780. Goku and Vegeta die around Age 801. So we still got 21-22 years until they die.

- AGE 801 -
Son Goku disappears

"Realizing his death is imminent, Goku, who wanted to settle their rivalry, left the Earth with Vegeta. Years later, a supernova explosion was detected; perhaps caused by Son Goku and Vegeta’s battle."
[Ref: From the DBO timeline.]

>>144308745
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOT CANON NOT CANON
NOT
FUCKING CANON

>>144308741
He was certainly trying. And he looked humiliated. Holding back or not he lost hard.

>>144308789
That was in the manga too. It's just completely ignored afterwards.

>>144307965
Turles
Janemba
Bardock
Bojack
Dr Willow
Golden Freezer

>>144308745
As if Vegeta, a fighting autist, would actually keep his word on that.

>also filler

>>144308710
Also as a point to add both Piccolo and Trunks are as strong as Base form Goku as one defeated an opponenet that forced Goku to go SSJ and other was almost an equal to SSJ2 Goku.They too have become as strong as Goku God it seems.

>>144308273
Here's an idea anon, kill yourself. Maybe you'll reincarnate in that world.

>>144305858
Pafu

>>144308662
>see how the Tuffles are completely different in Z filler and Episode of Bardock, even though both designs came from him.

I thought Episode of Bardock was written by Naho Ooishi? That's why it's not canon, it's literally just and advertisement for Heroes

Was Toriyama actually involved in Episode of Bardock?

>>144308745
>filler

kill yourself

>>144308662
Those aren't Tuffles, they're a different race. And Episode of Bardock isn't canon.

>>144308745
Yeah but that was retconned because Hackiyama thought he was ending the series at the Cell arc

Trunks got Videls titty juice squirted all over him.

>>144308775
>- AGE 801 -
>Son Goku disappears

Finally, maybe the new generation can actually take charge.

I wanna see episodes with just Goten,Trunks,Pan,Marron, and Bra.

And whatever Saiyan child Trunks and Mai have.

>>144308775
Goku would be in his 60s and Vegeta in his 70s by then. If Sayans start deteriorating after 80 like Super states, that seems the perfect time frame for them to have some battes at their peak.

I really hope newer material either never touches or confirms this bit of information from DBO, the idea of Goku and Vegeta departing to have one last battle is just too cool.

>>144308988
You mean whatever halfbreed Mai squeezes out of her disgusting human vagina

>>144308988
>And whatever Saiyan child Trunks and Mai have.

>in b4 they name their child something based on underwear

also, they can't have a child if they only hold hands

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>>144308775
I doubt Toriyama give a shit about DBO. heck he probably doesn't even know it exists knowing him

>>144308775
Will Toriyama even keep this canon?
DB is the father of modern shounen battle, so I doubt it'll keep going without it's MC (i.e. Goku).

I suppose they could have done it had they kept Goten relevant (he used to look like Goku, acted like Goku, and felt like him). But we already know how things turn out with him.

>>144308865
>>144308934
>everything I don't like is filler
Vegeta was useless against Cell, Gohan outclassed him, Goku got killed. It was his decision at the time, but we needed more Vegeta for Buu saga so he returned to his usual 'must be stronger than Goku'

>>144309028
>Goku would be in his 60s and Vegeta in his 70s by then

Add all the time they spent/will spend in the RoSaT, and they will be even older than that.

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>>144304327
THE ONE is here now.

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>>144307841
You don't even read the manga. Fuck you. Universe punches are a thing.

>>144309032
Their child is Bra

>>144309061
That is so far down the timeline DB probably can keep going for decades without reaching it.

The only chance it has of being confirmed as canon or not canon is if newer Toriyama material adresses the future of the characters, which I kind of doubt will happen.

>>144309050
Toriyama's involved in Xenoverse 2, there's even going to be a new artbook with some of his design notes. He's definitely still aware of DBO.

>>144309076
>everything I don't like is filler

*everything that's not in the manga*

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So /a/, whats your excuse for not having a family ?

>>144309050

Toriyama worked on Dragonball Online, it's just not known how specific his involvement was with the various elements of the game. He designed the new Namek variations shown there, for example, and also created Towa and Mira (confirmed this E3 by Xenoverse's producer, it's the reason they didn't kill them in Xenoverse 1).

>>144309102
I love elder Kai he's best

>>144308884
>forced goku to go ssj

he went ssj to force frost to want to transform you lying sack of shit

>>144309128
Vegeta stating he will never fight again is in the manga you idiot.

It's just completely ignored as the next time we see him he is in his gravity chamber training.

>>144309128
It's in the manga.

>>144309136
I'm gay and ugly

>>144309102
>>144308586

>That might actually be canon since it was briefly mentioned in the manga too
>You don't even read the manga. Fuck you. Universe punches are a thing.

The manga (written by Toyble) came out AFTER the movie (written by Toriyama)

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>>144306087
Is that Videl's milk?

What pissed me off the most about Supers' adaptation of BoG/Ressurection F is that they threw all the interesting character development Goku had straight into the fucking garbage can and just made him into drooling caricature of himself. Beerus also became another boring smirky, typical smug dragon ball villain who takes pleasure in something as petty as slapping an earth woman. He was equal parts wise and fickle in the movies, which made sense for a being who has existed for billions of years as a destroyer.

In the movies, he views allowing mortals the chance to appease him with gifts as a mercy -- after all, he needs to destroy planets anyway and this way his targets get a chance to save themselves. But in the show? He doesn't seem like he cares at all about his job. When he delivers his judgement in the movies he does it coldly, without emotion -- in the show he's just another boring sadist who likes to hurt mortals.

Super's adaption of these movies is truly garbage.

>>144309136
Bulma doesn't know that some lady about her age is fucking her son.

>>144308670
>>144308804
The tournament was over, it is filler like Goku bothering to say goodbye to anyone but Chi Chi and Gohan.

>>144309128
not that anon

>>144309122
>He's definitely still aware of DBO.
>>144309143
>Toriyama worked on Dragonball Online

so he is aware of it. interesting but I seriously 100% doubt they'd write off Vegeta and Goku to go die off screen. and keep the series going

>>144308775
>"Realizing his death is imminent, Goku, who wanted to settle their rivalry, left the Earth with Vegeta. Years later, a supernova explosion was detected; perhaps caused by Son Goku and Vegeta’s battle."
>[Ref: From the DBO timeline.]
Please, Toriyama, make that shit canon as fuck.

>>4309102

The manga is even less canon than super.

>>144308691
>i still havent watched 1-4

I feel like the first three movies is quite the strong set. And all belong within at least the Top 7-8 of all the movies in general.

>>144309195
Probably not, why would she put her milk on a bottle instead of breastfeeding Pan?

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even in super, Gohan is still cutest db character

>>144309189
>The manga (written by Toyble) came out AFTER the movie (written by Toriyama)
The manga is based on Toriyama's outline for Super though, not the anime production material. The fact that the impact wave scene was in both anime and manga suggests that it WAS part of Toriyama's outline for Super, not a random Toei addition to their movie remake.

>>144309271
It's common for mothers to pump breast milk into bottles so they don't have to whip out their tits whenever their baby is hungry.

>>144309143

Until any of that DBO crap shows up in the main story, I'm just going to assume it's non-canon.

...although, I have to admit, that's pretty fucking badass way for Goku to go out.

>>144309271
This is sunday morning cartoon, anon

>>144308884
>ESLfag who doesn't understand what he's watching

Frost was weakened during his fight with Piccolo because he was getting his ass kicked by Goku. Piccolo had to resort of clones and Special Bean Cannon otherwise Frost would dominate him.

Trunks didn't force Goku into SSJ3. Goku simply transformed to show him a form above SSJ2 and was testing his power. It wasn't even close to being a serious fight. Also, Trunks kept up with his training, unlocked SSJ2, and made Dabura look like fodder.

None of these instances imply they're at Goku's level.

>>144309200
And the fact Beerus returns to his previous characterization once that arc is over, as well as with Trunks and Mai subplot being picked back up, goes to show it is very likely Toei did these things on their own.

>>144308586
It is mentioned in a tv interview that early Super anime used Toyotaro's manga as basis sometimes, in their words "like DBZ anime used Toriyama's". Toriyama himself did not know that.

>>144309328
if you want an outline of goku's story google sun wukong

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>>144305763
>>144305500
>HURRR BASE GOKU NOT GOD XDD
Commeson absorbed Vegeta's power, and at Base he obliterated SSJ3 Gotenks who is FAR stronger than Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku, let alone Buu Saga Base Goku. Then Base Goku at stalemated Copy Vegeta, then they both turned SSB.

At the end of BoG, Goku also turns Super Saiyan to reach the level of power he had at SSG, so he did retain the power.

are summaries out for the next couple eps?

>>144309324
>The manga is based on Toriyama's outline for Super though

Yes, but Toriyama's outline starts with the U6 Tourney.

Which is apparent when you read his interviews. When Super was announced Toriyama mentioned writing the U6 script. Nothing about re-writing anything else he already wrote (the movies)

Manga wise, if Vegeta was fresh could he have beaten Hit?

How do the strength tiers work now anyway? I've heard that they made Beerus( and Whis by extension) much stronger in Super.

>>144309387

Episode 053: “Reveal Black’s True Identity! Now, Off to the Kaioshin Realm of Universe 10!” July 31st
After realizing that Black has the same ki as Zamasu, Universe 10’s apprentice Kaioshin, the God of Destruction Beerus and his attendant Whis head to Universe 10 together with Goku. In order to verify his ki, Goku challenges Zamasu (who distrusts humanity) to a battle, but...

Episode 054: “lnheritor of Saiyan Blood: Trunks’ Resolve” August 7th
Though they know that Zamasu and Black have extraordinarily similar ki, they are unable to obtain any proof that the two are the same person. Meanwhile, Vegeta tells the Trunks from the future “I’m going to give you some training”.

Are the Gohan fags all dead now?

>>144309324
>>144309395

also this
>>144309376

"It is mentioned in a tv interview that early Super anime used Toyotaro's manga as basis sometimes, in their words "like DBZ anime used Toriyama's". Toriyama himself did not know that."

Toriyama wasn't involved in any of the movie re-tellings. Anime nor Manga

That's why the Movies themselves are the source material and only canon

>>144309376
It was specifically using the manga as "storyboard" though. Those shots clearly weren't used by the anime, even though the plotline is similar. We only start getting similarly drawn shots between the anime and manga in the Cabba battle, so it actually took quite a bit before they started using the manga as reference.

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>no God Base Goku
Sure

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MY POWER IS MAXIMUM

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>>144309448
>July 31st

Two weeks, fuck.

>>144309385
>XD
Kill yourself.
Jelly goo absorbed Vegeta's god ki, that's why Goku had to use his god ki.

>>144307965
Broly 1
Janemba
Hatchiyack
BoG
Hirudegarn

>>144309448
>No episode next week
And just when things were starting to pick up again.

>>144309537
>Hatchiyack
gross

>>144309385
Purple Vegeta also kows how to use God Ki.Base Vegeta just used God Ki when fighting Gotenks.Its as simple as that anon.

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>>144309271
Have you not heard of these things

when Funi going to dub this?

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>>144308865
>>144308934
What did he mean by this?

>>144309532
God Ki is always active, they don't turn on or off the God Ki, they always have it on.

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>>144309306

>it's an everyone gets BTFO by Pan's milk bottle episode

>>144309448
>Vegeta tells the Trunks from the future “I’m going to give you some training”
oh god its Y all over again, black goku = cell

>>144309445
he would have still jobbed most likely since he wouldn't of known what hit was doing(the time skip thing)

>>144309623
>Y
i mean Z, fucking nazi keyboard

>>144309577
>Purple Vegeta also kows how to use God Ki.Base Vegeta just used God Ki when fighting Gotenks
Prove they activated something that is never stated to need activation.

God Ki is always active, simple as that.

>>144309617
>Here's your complimentary shit cone, F Trunks!

>>144309600
He meant "Toriyama is ending the series here anyway"

But then he didn't.

I think I recall seeing interviews years back saying that he meant to end Dragonball at basically every arc since Raditz, but kept having money thrown at him so he kept it going.

>>144306663
Nope

Base form goku has never gotten a buff

The form that he used to fight Frieza before going blue was a post SSJ3 transfomration.

>>144307798
And Gohan is supposed to be the scholar.

>>144309241
Ah yeah, you're right. That wasn't in the manga.
However, something that was in the manga, though, was that Goten didn't want to participate in the tournament, he was having trouble keeping up with Goku's training and he would rather go on a date than fighting.

>>144304327

That doesn't mean he is stronger than SSJB goku but he probably is because the arc would be over pretty soon otherwise

>>144309600
He was being a salty little bitch.

>>144309561
Better than liking the piece of shit with 0 stakes that was RoF.

>>144309687
the autists dont seem to understand that you dont need to transform to access god ki

i bet they think beerus isn't using god ki unless he starts glowing purple either

>>144305858
Dragon Team is the best, but they tend to take a while. It's totally worth the wait though, you don't get total mistranslations like you do with the other groups.

Deadfish just re-encodes episodes to be hard-subbed mp4 for mobile devices. I think they usually use Dragon Team as a source, though.

I'd avoid Pafu or any other group, you're better off watching it raw if you can't wait til DT drops.

>>144309733
>even at his dream job Gohan jobs

>>144309714
No that's the "cuck Gohan out of any chance at becoming a god" cone.

>>144309085
Dumbass, Mr. Satan is the world champ.

Even took out goku with a satan punch.

>>144309608
>>144309687
Goku depowered in RoF, a laser that wasn't able to destroy Mai's gun, harmed Goky because he stopped using his god ki mode.

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Everyone in the future seemed to be weaker

>Future Gohan much weaker than Present Gohan

>Future Kid Trunks needed Gohan's death to become SS; Present Kid Trunks was a SS toddler

>>144309725
>Base form goku has never gotten a buff
Base God Goku > Copy Vegeta Base >>>>>> SSJ3 Gotenks >>> Buu SSJ3 Goku >>>>>>> Buu Base Goku

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>>144308988

>no Uub

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THANKS TO YOU I'M ABLE TO TIME LEAP SHIT POST TO 0.10 SECONDS

Kek I've just realized that Vegeta corresponds to Nezha in Journey to the west. Like Nezha, Vegeta is a prince (as well as short), and one of the only people who could stand toe to toe with Sun Wukong (other than buddha and another stone monkey which is as strong as Wukong, though not as refined in skills).

>>144309594
I have seen those things before in pregnant/lactation fetish hentai, I didn't know people actually used it.

>>144309725
literally btfo right here
>>144309486

>>144309763
I concur, Pafu is unusable tier

>>144309762
Retards don't seem to understand that God Ki is always active and their point is 100% irrelevant as anyone can start saying Goku didn't use God Ki against someone they don't like and used God Ki against someone they like.

>>144309751
Shit taste

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>>144309600

This
>>144309750

It's Vegeta we're talking about. Did you actually think a full-blooded fighting autist would give up fighting?

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>>144307798
his buddy from the future stops by, why would ask? Gohan seemed more excited to show off his family than hear what Trunks had to say.

>>144305858
I watch it in Raw nowadays, but from the subs I checked out Dragon Team seemed the best.

>>144309750
>salty
>right after acknowledging Goku and Gohan superior strength and characters
>salty

>>144304327

I haven´t watch the epsiode yet. Did Gohan show a new power up as some anons were speculating?

>>144309825
Wrong, Goku lowered his defense. He stopped using Ki altogether. Even Saiyan Saga Goku could tank that laser, he doesn't need God Ki.

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>>144309763
>Deadfish just re-encodes episodes to be hard-subbed
fuck, and i already started downloading them

Why is Pafu so looked down upon? I've watched ever episode of Super through them and understand it just fine.

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>>144309751
>Hatchiyak
>Better than liking the piece of shit with 0 stakes that was RoF.

I've never seen such bad taste in my life. Even GT's Super 17 was better than Hatchiyak

>>144306960

>Fetus goes super saiyan

DBS is officially the shittest thing to happen to dragon ball

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>>144306567

Pan is more terrifying than Black.

>smiles happily
>reaches for your sword
>looks into your eyes and laughs, knowing you can't stop her

Chilling.

>>144309971
He gained the power to make Trunks cry.

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THIS GUY COMES TO THE BAR AND JUST TIME LEAP SLAPS YOUR WAIFU'S ASS

WHAT DO YOU DO?!

>>144309992
Mistranslations, engrish

>>144309376

I don't understand Toei, DBZ had plenty of great filler that felt like it fit in really well or expanded the universe in an interesting way(Otherworld tournament arc being a great example).Some of the best I've seen in any anime.

Why are they dropping the ball now?

Goku "base" form is pretty arbitrary tho. He could be about as weak as a normal human (with power level of about, what? 17) to surpassing his SSJ1 strength pre-BoG

>>144309992
Nothing wrong at all with using them, they have maybe one retarded line an episode, and as long as you aren't entirely retarded you'll get the jist. Archiving Dragonteam though.

>>144310024
DBZ's Buu saga introduced the "Super Saiyan bargain sale"

Also, it wasn't Pan that became SS. It was Videl, with Pan's blood and influenced by the SSG Ritual.

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>>144310010
>Even GT's Super 17 was better than Hatchiyak
Get out.

>>144310010
Didn't know Hatchiyack used CG trash for battles. And Super 17 is better than RoF too.

>>144310059
I anticipate his move and slap her ass first

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Why can't Bandai get Ufotable to help Toei out with DBS?

>>144309923
You know Videl pulled out the Saiyawoman costume and rode that half-breed cock all night long.

>>144309971
he showed off his family not a super power. it was a snug episode

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>>144310059
Let mai waifu kick his ass.

>>144308406
I think the God Ki automatically raised his regular Ki, that's it. And he can go SSG while Veg can't

>>144310126
Saiyababy costume when?

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>>144310040
this image looks like its some caricature made in ms paint in 5 minutes wtf

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>>144310040
Baby Pan was stronger than Future Trunks in this episode. Or at least gave him a very hard time.

DBS Pan's potential is scary. Sad to see her go to shit in GT.

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>>144309874
I always thought Nezha was a girl

Gohan is such a fucking faggot
And it's all Chichi's fault. And partially Goku's for being an absolute beta because he is afraid to disagree with her.

>>144309660
Does it go Vados >= Whis > Beerus > Champa > Goku > Vegeta?

>>144310087

His skin is naturally hard enough to stop bullets from penetrating it, so he's definitely stronger than humans.

But I agree that without Ki backing him up, his actual body strength is a fraction of what it is with ki. There's a probably a ceiling to what can be accomplished without ki that Goku reached a long time ago.

>>144310183
Pan is the one case where GT > Super is actually true.