Macross Delta

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>>144301022
>It's a Freyja
You sound like this is something new

>>144300942
It's probably going to do above decent for it's first volume, nowhere near Frontier numbers but that's expected, but definitely top of the Spring season. However the Walkure music is doing extremely well. They could probably justify another series/movie just on the music sales alone.

>Some of the songs are decent but not blockbuster
Hey that's like your opinion man. Axia, Bokura no Senjou and Walkure Attack at the minimum are in my favorites as much as previous series' songs

Waiting for Freyja in windermere arc.

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THIS IS WHAT "COME HITHER" LOOKS LIKE TO WINDIES

>>144301022
You could call it Macross Freyja at this point and it wouldn't be wrong.

>>144301092
Good old Macross quality.

>>144301171
Yes. Yes it does.

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>>144301092
That's a transition shot though

And while we're talking about it, what the fuck was that about?

>>144301151
This may be good. Keith, Herman and Cassim are already against Roid's plan. All we need is for Freyja to convince Heinz and Bogue and the war will be over before it's started.

Basara>Isamu>DYRL Hikaru>Hayate>Movie Alto>Shin>TV Alto>SDF Hikaru

Holy shit, fuck Hikaru

>>144301218
Feelings resonate through fold quartz. It doesn't only happen when he pilots. Think Alto putting on Sheryl's earring and feeling her old pain.

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SO ANYWAY ABOUT THIS

>>144301299
MESSER KEKED FROM THE AFTERLIFE

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>>144301296
He really is the absolute worst

>mfw the scarf incident
>mfw no Macross MC has fucked up that bad and not even apologized for it since
>Misa is married to this guy

Thank god DYRL didn't have any stupid drama

>>144301263
Since Freyja and Bogue seem to have in common that the both of them lost their family on the war I could see that maybe working, but I still think Bogue won't be convinced that Roid's plans are no good unless something bad happens to Herman or him, or he sees how shady the whole deal is. Same for Heinz.

>>144301299
I took that scene to know they're knowing something about an upcoming operation. But they're keeping silent, because festivities. Let them have their moment kind of thing

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>>144301299

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God I hope Freyja doesn't get kidnapped. It would just be like how it played out in Evol all over again.

>>144301397
But Dogfucker was only kidnapped in the last episode, wasn't she?

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>>144301387
>I took that scene to know they're knowing something about an upcoming operation
Really anon

Like really?

A heartfelt song, explcitly sounding very soft and romantic is playing, you have the other close people together in the scene and you think "well they're thinking about an operation"

>>144301365
Bogue's seiyuu already said there won't be romance about him, give up.

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>>144301359
To this day, Hikaru has been the only character that made me jump from my chair and scream at him. Kudos to you, asshole.

>>144301299
I imagine the Kaname and Messer shippers are burning everything down right about now.

>>144301129
What are the current projections?

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>>144301263
Freyja and Bogue will make a new genesis in the Windermere arc.

>>144301436
Anon, I didn't say anything about romance.

>>144301397
Mikumo leaving. Mikumo was shinpi this episode too. She revealed that she only really came to the birthday party because she wanted to see what one was like. She can't remember ever celebrating one.

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>>144301436
Did he? Where.

If so, thank fucking god

>>144301447
If he actually goes through with it, it would 100% prove without a doubt that the madman does not give a fuck about "idol purity". He already doesn't but this would cement it

>>144301397
It won't happen, because it never end up have positive effect for the get kidnapped character.
You guys keep asking Kawamori do something new, why the hell you guys ask him do something they done before again?

>>144301436
>what are platonic bonds

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Mikumo's dream shows that she has been to the coronation place before?

>>144301387
That's part of why I like their dynamic* though. They're the Token Mom and Dad of the group. (I hope that doesn't mean one/both of them will die)

*as opposed to her with Messer, because I'm getting tired of broody (with good reason, but still broody) silent ace character guy.

>>144301471
Oh right, I did forget about Mikumo this episode. Yeah she has a good chance of leaving too. But then why does Hayate have that "OH FUCK" face?

Unless...BOTH OF THEM...

>>144301503
That's a lot of people in that crowd!

MIRAGEFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>144301471
Not only that. She let it slip she's familiar with windermere, Freyja asked if she had ever been there? To which she replied with a question, that if Freyja had ever sung on that stage, on Windermere (which has to be the stage we saw Heinz coronation on, Mikumo was clearly singing on it in her dream in 14)

>>144301299
She turned around and left.
Go home Aradfags

>>144301447
>Kaname confirmed to have feelings for Arad 6 episodes ago
>hints everywhere
Shippers deserve all the suffering for their denial.

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Maaaan, that is just.

On one side, I want to call "obvious false flags here" but on the other, I think how Kawamori has essentially telegraphed the winners of his various bowls for a good 20 years of shows at this point.

How can Mirage compete now? Platonically Hayate was always closer to Freyja and more concerned with her. Now it's the secomd half and he's finally showing a romantic reaction, and it's for Freyja again. Their resonance is growing stronger.

I can't see Mirage winning without major romantic upheavals but this is supposed to be a pale triangle.

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This triangle is breaking my heart

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>>144301728
Like seriously, breaking my heart

>>144301722
I don't thing we can call it a pale triangle after this episode and them giving Mirage a reaction like that.

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>>144301722
See the real clincher here is that Hayate is starting to show actual signs of full mental connection to Freyja without her even trying unlike in previous episodes.

>Mirage presses boobs against Hayate's back
>No reaction

>Freyja's rune glows pink in gratitude/love/appreciation
>Hayate gets the biggest heart boner

And here we thought this guy just wasn't interested in anything romance related

>>144301722
People don't need her "compete"(aka win the Hayatebowl), people just need her development.
And yeah seems she's getting development there, good news for her and her fans.

>>144301728
Snow! Snow!

Only thing is, her back would've been completely soaked through by then. But, snow!

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>>144301782
It can still be considered pale because this is like, I think, only the second really shipping-heavy episode in the whole show? I mean compared to SDF and Frontier anyway. Hell Hayate "maaaaaaybe" just might start to be realizing he has actual romantic feelings in there.

His half-blush is the first time he's shown that kind of reaction to anything

>>144301722
Can't you just amicably enter symphathy status? Mirage is a strong girl, and she'll rebound. She lost a young love, so what? Why can't you enjoy feeling sorry for her instead?

>>144301782
It's still pale compared to Frontier. She's not fighting to win him and hasn't had any real moments. Even Ranka got some blushes.

Oh lord, she wants to fuck.

Amesiac Feyja as new Wind Singer. Bogue as her bodyguard.

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>>144301171
Why Kawamori's such a shoujofag.

>>144301447
They don't.
It looked like Arad was hiding something. That scene gives the vibe that after revealing it, he would die.

>>144301728
>>144301765
The thing is though a scene like this is what I would expect at the very end of the series. It's a note to leave it on, but right now we're only at episode 16.

Kawamori has something brutal in store for us I'm afraid.

>>144301782
>>144301722
>supposed to be a pale triangle.
I know that that was said a long time ago, but seriously I'm pretty sure that he commited to it anyway. Sure the series itself isn't focused on it as much as frontier was, but after an episode like this there is no denying that the triangle is there and it does pack an emotional punch (don't forget we've only just crossed the halfway mark).

Even if the man didn't want to write one, I'm sure that when they were actually working on it he gave it his all anyway. He is a professional and he can set aside something like his own desire to not have a triangle in it.

>>144301897
>hasn't had any real moments
You sound like Mirage's moment must be triangle related.

>>144301765
RIP Female Gamlin.

>>144301915
Hayate: "Ha ha, look at her rune pikapika'ing. I'll just touch it, she'll call me 'ecchi' and...what what?"
Freyja: "Fuck me now"

>>144301843
>Maaaaaybe

Dude. Seriously?

>Feels Freyja's pain
>Agonized over the perfect gift
>Made it snow for her
>Blushed during their moment
>Displayed signs of being hurt at imagining Freyja leaving him behind
>Last scene is him looking at Freyja sing and him saying "Freyja..."

I mean come on.

>>144301022
>Its a miragefags get BTFO episode

Is this the most one-sided Macross ever?

>>144301765
I really wonder how they even could have said the triangle was going to be feel good triangle and then put scenes like that in.

Ok. We know this to be a PALE or FAINT triangle depending. Whatever that means. You people don't seem to have consensus on what it means actually. So please, everyone, give a short definition as a reply to this, of what a faint triangle is. A lot of you seem to have the idea that faint triangle means it'll be unresolved? Is that it?

>>144302051
No. Frontier was up there too.

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And in their own corner away from this potential drama

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What I got from this:

Arad does not wan't to commit to it. Sure there is something between the two, but he doesn't want to commit to it. Either because of Messer of because of some other reason (Age/PTSD/etc).

Kaname has been chasing Arad since the very beginning, but is conflicted either by him spurring her advances or the fact that she doesn't know what to feel since the Messer thing.

So much unspoken frustration and heartbreak in one scene.

>>144302064
Well, it was supposed to make you feel like you want to watch over the characters and right now Japanese twitter and this place is full of people feeling sorry for Mirage instead of bashing her.

>>144302085
>A lot of you seem to have the idea that faint triangle means it'll be unresolved? Is that it?
I thought a faint triangle meant it wouldn't be the focus of the drama/show/character's actions like it was for Frontier and remain sort of a background-ish thing. Which it pretty much has for the large majority of the series

>>144302051
Did you ever think Ranka had a chance? Answer honestly.

>>144302123
I don't see anything romantic. That scene screams that their next mission is going to end badly.

>>144302108
What cute sisters.

By the way nobody's talking about the new song (well there were three though right? I'm talking about the last one)

It was really amazing

>>144302162
The Seikan Hikou episode was when I thought "maybe" but soon after that, no.

>>144302123
More like Arad noticed her feeling but he's not into her.

>>144301728
>>144301765
They said that the triangle will make us feel good and what the fuck is this?

>>144302085
No it means that the triangle will not be the primary focus of the series as opposed to say Frontier where the triangle between Sheryl-Alto-Rank drove the narative for a very large part.

Delta is focused more on telling its story about the Windermere war/VAR/Walküre setting and mixing it up with the occasional triangle romance to develop the main characters.

In the end it will play a role though.

>>144301959
> Mirage asks Hayate whether he loves Frejya
> Hayate Implicitly answers "no"
> Mirage felt relieved
> But Mirage suddenly saw Hayate and Frejya intimacy scene.
> Mirage cries

Hayate you jerk, you just lied to Mirage!

>>144302051
Yes, the staff is very one sided and make me even like Mirage more due to i love poor girls.

>>144302213
>He trust Kawamori
You poor thing.

>>144301979
I am talking strictly within the context of the triangle and her chances of winning it, after all.

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>>144302108
When are they going to platonically fuck each other's brains out?

I think it's "faint" in the sense that it's pretty obvious/blatant that one has the advantage and the other sort of realizes it and prefers to not instigate drama on it. Thus the triangle has a conclusion without further drama.

We've already seen that Hayate and Freyja share a special bond that Hayate and Mirage do not have. At this point if you would classify their ship stereotype HayaFre would be like "Entertwined/fated lovers" while HayaMira would be "Superior and Student/disciple couple".

>>144302271
Getting a moment is better than win or lose the triangle for Mirage.

>>144302290
JUST
SISTERS

>>144302227
Hayate didn't even seem to understand what his relationship with Freyja is except that the words friend and comrade isn't enough to describe it.

>>144302213
I was hoping with the triangle being faint or feel good that they would avoid scenes like this, but they want to go all out I guess.

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>>144302051
>Is this the most one-sided Macross ever?
Why does everybody forget Zero?

The loser of that one had absolutely no fucking chance in hell. Like not even a little bit

>>144301861
I am. And I think she looked really beautiful this episode. But that's not the topic I want to analyze right now.

>>144302290
Is Reina a Zent or a Zolan?

>>144302213
>>144302064
I think that in the end they think this story will resolve in a way people will feel good about it.

Also as painfull as this moment was, it was sort of bitter sweet and not earth shattering devestation. I think it was handled well and that it didn't shock as much as it could have.

>>144302227
Hayate was oblivious at the time.

Next episode Hayate will tell Freyja to wait for him after the mission so he can confess. Freyja is presumed dead bit actually captured.

>>144302184
>Why does this girly look at me, then when I look at her, she looks away?
Nigga, this is so cliche it hurts.

>>144302227
He said he don't know, may be friend or something like he feel fun when he being around her. And Mirage told him that that kind of feeling can develop into love.

>>144302123
>So much unspoken frustration and heartbreak in one scene.

This juxtaposes well with how they're presented in OP1, and in a lot of the downtime scenes in the first cour, where they seem to get along well, are pleasant with each other, work well together, generally pretty easy-going and familiar.

Or, maybe they DID have something, before, but broke it off well before the series started, because workplace relationships aren't appropriate (they're both bosses of their respective squads), or as you said, age/ptsd/arad knew messer was hot for her and didn't want to flaunt it in front of him

I live for this drama!!!

>>144302344
Just like Mirage. But at least Mao got a kiss.

>>144302336
What part of "platonic" don't you undestand?

>>144302368
This won't happen, whoever wins you will end up just see bunch of laughing and complaining.

>>144302376
I'm telling you I don't get anything romantic from them. The only thing that I'm getting is that something bad is gonna happen in next episodes.

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I'm glad we got another episode with a special ED song. I really like it when they do that.

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>>144302443
Some people can't into human relationships.

>>144302376
It looked like someone was hiding something and that something isn't nice.

>>144302227
It's actually well done from a writers point of view. Since Mirage asked himt he question it was the first time Hayate actually had to wonder about his feelings for Freya.

He answers no because at that time he doesn't realise what he is feeling yet. Later when he touches her rune and she gives him that look the pieces actually start falling together for him.

If Mirage haden't asked him that question he may not have reacted to his moment with Freya the same way. But because he actually had concidered it earlier in the episode he did actually get his butterflies moment.

>>144302213
But anon, I despise Mirage and it sure feels good to see her got blown away like this.

>>144302469

What would you guys give Freyja for her birthday?

>>144301765
Well we should have seen this coming since they did build up to it with all these scenes of Hayate/Freyja interactions with Mirage watching with a slightly pained look on her face. I just didn't expect this to happen so soon.

Mirage status: BTFO

>>144302335
Of course. I want Mirage to be an ace pilot and get over her insecurity but right now I'm asking of there's still any chance of her winning the Hayatebowl without it consuming the show or becoming an asspull. There's a lot to establish before it becomes believable. We might just be in the middle but there's multiple other plotlines that need attention.

>>144302461
>Butthurt.png

The sky will always win though

Can we just change the name of the series to Macross Freyja?...

>>144302537
>I just didn't expect this to happen so soon.
It's because it's so soon that I'm calling falseflagging here

>>144302537
Well that's the thing. It's too early in the series for a moment like this. and that has me worried in a way.

As much as I would like to see Mirage win now, whatever would bring about that win would be something major and devastating happening to Freya and I don't want that.

That's why that scene hurts soo much for me. It's too early in the series for a moment like this so there IS going to happen something in the future and whatever it is Freya does not deserve pain of the happyness of that moment to be shattered. and niether does Mirage.

>>144301652
>>144301765
This was Aquiarion Evol moment 100%

one Zessica was enough

>>144302537
That seems more than "slightly pained".

>>144301022
>>It's a Freyja episode
Finally something different from the usual.

>>144302564
Right now I can't see it. Her arc will be about becoming a better pilot and leader and also being honest about herself and telling Hayate about her feelings even if it means she will be rejected. She will probably watch over HayaFre's happiness because they have established her as a caring and observant person.

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>>144302757
Why doesn't she get more screentime anyway?

>>144301790
That's the jewel talking, it has nothing to do with him to be quite honest.

Anyone else fins that a big hint is that both Hayate and Mirage discovered their romantic feelings on the same night when Freyja was involved?

I have a bad feeling something is going to happen to Freyja now that brings those two together since they are both trying to find their feelings

Mirage confirmed for Zessica 2.0

>>144302763
Is this even a triangle then?

>>144302823
It's obvious that something bad is gonna happen to Freyja.

>>144302892
I don't know about you, but after this episode it sure does feel like one.

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>>144302823
Hayate will have one of these moments with Freyja, I bet.

>>144302920
>She will probably watch over HayaFre's happiness
If this is a triangle, she won't be giving up so soon.

>>144302051
There is no basis for Hayate x Freyja tho.

You can't base a relationship in external object like a quartz fold, that's stupid.

It would be believable if there was natural progression.

One sided things are never good.

>>144302893
>It's obvious that something bad is gonna happen to Freyja.
She said it herself; her singing is killing her. She doesn't care, because singing is more important than her life.

But can you really have romance, if you burn up your life like that? Can you really marry a boy, but then intentionally shorten your marriage by killing yourself through singing? Her life is her own, she can do what she likes with it. But if she was to enter a relationship, it wouldn't just be her life anymore, but be THEIR lives, together.
She would have to make a choice. And I think we are already told her choice.

Let's face it. With all we've been fed so far the ships stand like this. "Special connection/bonded lovers" vs "Normal couple". The chances of Mirage winning are very very VERY low. And if she does win, her ship would not have the same emotional impact that Hayate and Freyja do.

You can't really keep against a bonded/special relationship which Hayate and Freyja represent.

Seriously though. Delta does things like this episode and it shows you how well written it actually is.

We didn't need 15 episodes of shenanigans and back and forth romance moments/blushing to get our heartstrings pulled.

This 1 peisode had more feel to it than all of Frontiers first 16 combined. Everyone here felt it even the shippers are not throwing mud at eachother right now. It was a well handled moment and it packed one hell of a punch.

Well done Delta, well done.

>>144303022
>She said it herself; her singing is killing her.
She never said this.

This episode had 2 songs in it, right? The song that Freyja sang first, that Hayate felt pain over, was the one in the preview, while the rune fluffy niceness at the end was something we haven't heard before

>>144303027
Don't win the triangle then, get a personal moment, let people remember there is a character in Mirage Delta called Mirage, that's already a win for her.

>>144303132
Fuck i mean Macross Delta.

>>144302892
After this episode, yes, we finally have a triangle.

>>144302970
She's gonna keep her feeling for herself and push HayaFrey until someone convinces her that she needs to be honest with herself and that's when she's gonna confess. And after that it depends of Hayate her winning or losing.

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>>144302622
They'd may as well. We came for a war and have gotten nothing but an extended stream of Lilith Fair, but that's to be expected from the manchild Kawamori and his complete lack of originality or imagination. This entire series, like its predecessors since the first, have been a long and ongoing 'Who cares?' because nothing is ever invested in anything that can't be sung away by some little girl.
t. Carl Macek, the Invid Flower of Life

>>144303032
I agree with this fully. I'm one hardcore Freyja shipper, but fuck if I didn't get feels for Mirage towards the end. Ranka didn't get nearly as much sympathy by a longshot

Well ,this is the worst Macross so far.
Hayate and Freyja have personal development and at least 2 plots each.
But Mirage only plot point is the triangle and nothing else.
If she loses it's zessica all over again, equal == bad.
Good direction would imply Mirage has to win, even more because she's the one bringing the feelings of love and not the other two.
But we'lll just have to wait and see, so far it's a poor development of things.

>>144302684
It doesn't necessarily mean qpamything for the triangle. They have much bigger things to worry about, a War to fight, and the other side has its own drama, AND there's Mikumo's shinpi. It's easy enough for the triangle to establish a foregone conclusion early as it's not the focus and the rest of the time is HayaFre and Mirage developing in response to the bigger plot.

>>144303239
>Good direction would imply Mirage has to win, even more because she's the one bringing the feelings of love and not the other two.

That would be terrible

>>144303032
>even the shippers are not throwing mud at eachother right now
This is really a fucking miracle. The heaviest ship episode by far and instead of the usual MIRAGEFAGS/FREYJAFAGS BTFO we have people talking. It's unreal.

>>144303032
The whole scene was a punch in the gut that I didn't expect from the series because of how they described the triangle.

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>>144303239
>Shippingfag this butthurt

I've said before and I'll say it again. The triangle is pale because we already have a bonded/special connection couple and the other girl in the ship is the kind that could accept that, feel sad but support them without causing drama.

Freyja and Hayate being set up on episode 16 is preparation for Hayate to lose her to the winds (probably getting kidnapped or something along those lines) and him getting gud to rescue her.

The 2nd ED alludes to that. The 2nd OP also does so. Mirage sees the special connection between HayaFre and fades into the background while Hayate and Freyja are left facing each other with their bond/resonance behind them.

>Windy Snowniggers decide to enslave the entire galaxy and use "muh humans" as a pretense to get away with it

The entire galaxy razing and scorching the surface of planet Windermere when?

>>144303268
Well anon you are treating this with real world logic, but you should look at this from a writer/director point of view. It just ain't happening this early in a series.

But lets hope I'm wrong and Freya is spared something nasty.

>>144303194
> someone convinces her that she needs to be honest with herself and that's when she's gonna confess
So its like Misa getting advice from claudia just like SDF Macross again?

>>144302892
Yes, a pale one like Zero's.

>>144303333
Never because Kawamori isn't an edgelord like you.

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>>144303333
SOON

>>144303390
But this one is just painful to watch. This is what we get in beginning of the triangle.

>>144303322
Sorry no matter how staff try to keep it "pale", the crowd will still treat it as important part of the show with endless shipping wars.
I appreciate your attitude but unfortunately, your wish won't happen.

Maybe we should ask /m/ about the triangle outcome. They guessed Frontier's from the first episode alone.

>>144303333
Quads

>>144303399
Maybe he shouldn't make Appleniggers the scum of the galaxy, then.

>>144303344
No, I'm not. The writers themselves have paid much more attention to the war, Walkure, and other things thasn the triangle. Whatever happens to Freyja now is more likely to fuel her and Hayate's relationship/resonance than triangle drama.

>It's a pale triangle guys, stop the fight! everyone should feel good!

Give up, romance plot always triggered people, they won't stop.

>>144303636
If you're going to do a triangle then you mind as well go all out and watch everything burn.

>>144303618
They haven't killed millions of civilians yet, NUNS and Zentradi are still the biggest scum of the galaxy.

>>144303623
Then this isn't even a triangle

>>144303308
>>144303276
Stop being retarded.

You don't make a good triangle by shitting over the feeling of one of the participants. In fact that's the worst of the ways to do it.

And yes, specially when that person getting shitted on is the one who feels the love the most.

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I'm thinking Mirage will win, if only because it'd be pretty depressing if her main contribution to the plot was "that girl who lost the triangle". Freyja is the protagonist: she's got other things going for her, while Mirage only has the triangle.

>>144302985
Good thing their relationship is also based on friendship, bantz, and inspiring /encouraging each other then.

>>144303636
It can make people feel good if they're not Characterfag or shipper.

>>144303745
Considering most of Episode 13 was NUNS trying to protect civilians from getting bombed by Windniggers, I'd say they are reaching that level.

Also Mind-Control is just as bad, maybe worse if no one rescues you.

>>144303773
PROTIP: Kawamori never wanted to do a triangle

>Freyjafags celebrating very early again as usual

>>144303857
If never, why pull the trigger and make mirage cry?

>>144303885
>miragefags been on denial as always

So what are nips outside twitter saying about the episode? Do they think it will be a HayaFre end for sure?

>>144303769
Yes it is. Zero's triangle was even more impossible and one-sided, remember?

>>144303773
>Making us sympathize with the loser is a bad love triangle
In what universe you dumb fuck? Fuck off with your one dimensional thinking. A love triangle is a love triangle as long as it contains three people that all either like or are liked by someone else in the triangle. That's all there is to it. A sort of high octane competition between two people for the third is one way to make a love triangle, but far from the only one.

>>144303885
> Celebrating early
> End game Mirage wins the bowl
> Frejya shippers go quiet and BTFO

>We are the rightful heirs to all the superweapons in the galaxy because we say so and we are allowed to use them freely on others as we please
>We will mind-control the galaxy because we don't like humans that much

>>144303949
This episode proved Freyja is a Minmay clone, down to the birthday episode.

>>144303907
Because his flagrant favouritism

>>144303745
Mind controlling people and then feeding civilians things that make them more susceptible to being mind controlled is pretty scummy.

>>144303773
My feelings are that you attempt to make a balanced triangle or you just don't bother with it since one-sided triangles typically end up painful for the loser. The end scene of this episode being so early does mean that there is time for things to play out differently, but it could also just being tricking the viewer into thinking the triangle will still be a thing.

>>144303937
So do you think they will pull off the same scenario for mirage and hayate?

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>>144303949
>End game Mirage wins the bowl

>>144303826
>Also Mind-Control is just as bad
Fucking no, it's not. Death is final, mindcontrol is temporary. You sound like those "rape is worse than death" feminazis.

>>144303907
Sponsors wanted one desu. All she needs to do now is use the pain to git gud and Kawamlri's job is done.

Fantastic episode. That end had me both cheering like some teenaged fangirl, and at the same time feeling like my heart had been wrenched out.

>>144303885
>10 episodes left
>Hayate doesn't even see Mirage as a woman
Slow and steady, until there are no episodes left.

>>144303949
> End game Mirage wins the bowl
It's very obvious that Arad will win the Hayate bowl, anon.

>>144304034
>maybe worse if no one rescues you

You forgot to read that part. Sure, it's all fine and dandy if someone rescues you, but if NUNS doesn't save you, ENJOY TENDING TO APPLE ORCHARDS WHILE KIETH AND ROID FUCK YOUR WIFE ALL DAY.

>>144303994
No, the details are different but it's proof that the triangle doesn't need to be a close contest at all.

>>144303857
PROTIP: they don't have to create a character purely for triangle.

Anybody else get vibes like Mikumo is growing closer to Freyja as an onee-san who will somehow sacrifice herself to save her because she's seen how full of life, love and aspirations Freyja is filled with?

> Arad talks to his old teammate about Wright Immelmen. They agree not to tell Hayate anything.

If you are mirage and you realize you have 10 episodes left, what should you do in order to win back the bowl?

>>144304215
A bit. Mikumo won't die though. She might become a enter nova figure, but no idols will outright die.

>>144304215
She's so cute in this episode, that singing scene made me smile like a faggot.

>>144304182
Then what's the point of Mirage then?

A lot of shit is gonna come to a head next week.

>>144303949

>rub boobs against guy for 0 reaction
>can't shoot anyone down
>horrible leader
>beaten by a retarded genki loli who will die in like 10 yrs

face it, mirage is worst girl

>>144304240
If i'm Mirage i will focus on myself not try to winning some triangle.

>>144304279
Except Freyja. This is a setup for a classic tragedy.

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>>144304149
Good for her, they are handsome lads.

>>144304299
>loli

Freyja is like 32 in human years.

>>144303939
Too retard to reply.

>>144303979
>so early does mean that there is time for things to play out differently
That would be good.

One more thing that makes Delta a bad triangle if Freyja wins is that Mirage has nothing else but Hayate in her life. She just can't (or shouldn't) lose.
Remember Ranka? she had one brother, two brothers, a entire colony that loves her, her bugs, and her songs.

They are taking everything else but Hayate from Mirage's life, so good common sense would imply she will win in the love front.

Well, this kind of things can't be predicted so I can just wait and see to the end, and hope Mirage wins for the sake of Delta (at least so far).

>>144304240
>If you are Mirage and you realize you have 10 episodes left how do you play it out to compete against a pair that are deeply connected

Dude come on. Why are we even still on this. Less focus on Mirage going after the dick and more focus on Mirage actually working on herself as a person/pilot and learning to be happy

The best end Mirage could hope for and get is for her to realize that she's enough to stand on her own two feet.

>>144304240
Take that stick out of her ass.

Seriously, this is the reason I stopped rooting for her. She's always depressed, always worrying about something. I don't have a fold receptor, I'm not good at flying. You can't live with a girl like this.

>>144304299

The worst part is how anytime Freyja and Hayate are talking together and Mirage is there she basically stands there silently or goes "m-me too." Mirage is pathetic.

This romance is much better than Frontier's. Probably because Hayate isn't a massive faggot and his relationship with Freyja is full of natural fun.

>>144304292
Ask the director&main writer, if Mirage doesn't get any development, she's a failure character even she win the Hayatebawl.

Hold on, i'm not complaining this time, because after episode i can see she will get personal development.

>>144304422
>Rankafag still mad that the best girl won

>>144304372

So then Mirage lost to a womanchild hag.

>>144304339
>killing the breakout character and cash cow
Yeah, no.

Why are you people so focused on having Mirage win a triangle for her to be happy? What Mirage needs is self-love and self-appreciating. Her whole character revolves around the fact that she has to make peace with herself and go forward as one person without being influenced by outside forces. Making her be happy just because she gets with a guy is the worst thing that could happen to her. That's not what her character is about

>>144304398
Disgusting.

>>144304404
>She's always depressed, always worrying about something.

That's the reason i like her, should be hard to make her smile from heart, but i like challenge.

>>144304445
>implying
I was a Sherylfag from the start but the only reason I wanted her to win was because she liked Alto for some reason.

>>144304372
>mirage lost to christmas cake

even worse

>>144304553

Her character is she is a neurotic failure who has no relationships outside of work.

>>144304553
I love to see some character development of her but that will never happen

>>144304149
And? I didn't address the second part because I agree. The previous one said that temporary mindcontrol is as bad as death, which is pants on head retarded.

>>144304445
Alto was a colossal faggot for letting it continue as long as it did. That's what made it shit. It was deicided in episode 5. Should have acted like it.

>/a/ so new you JUST know they haven't watched SDF or even Robotech

>>144304404
all she needs is a guy who comforts her. Heck, hayate is basically doing all this for Frejya

>>144304696
Are you talking about SDF's triangle? They changed the script in the middle of the series.

>>144304575
I want to protect that smile

>>144304422
Not really. I don't feel HayaFre as much as I felt Sheryl/Alto. I can only thing of the first pairing as a young love sort of thing, while the latter was more adult and serious.

>>144304722
Oh sure. That's what she needs. Dependence.

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Heinz-sama!

>>144304398
Holy shit, that would be the worst thing to happen to Mirage as a character.

If she wins because of a reason like this, it will be pure bullshit for both her and the triangle in general. I don't want a pathetic thing winning because she has nothing else in her life.

Yes, Mirage didn't have any character development so far and I saw her as a side character but after this episode I can see the potential in her.

I don't care if she wins or not, but if she does it I hope it's for a better reason than your idea.

>>144304776
What part of it was adult? Their physical appearances?

>>144304553
Implying Mirage's case is like Misa being alone, workaholic and etc. There is still chance for Mirage to win.

>>144304788
she*

>>144304789

What potential? Mirage is absolutely pathetic.

She is shit at piloting.
She is shit at commanding.
No one respects her.
She seemingly has no friends whatsoever besides Hayate(lol).
She's in love with a guy who doesn't even see her as female.
She lost him to a 30 year old autismo.

The series is half over and Mirage has NOTHING going on, other than being a miserable, lonely failure in every aspect of her life.

Mirage is the most losing girl ever.

>>144304943
>She seemingly has no friends
kek. Even Zessica had MIX.

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>>144304865
Will we get an episode where Hayate just leaves Mirage elsewhere?

>>144304943
She can go drink with the other loser - Kaname.

>>144304997
That was kind of this episode since Hayate ditched Mirage at a bench while he ran off to get snow machines.

Missed the stream, was there any angst with Freyja and her short lifespan?

>>144305091
Mirage crying that she is the loser.

>>144304398
That's shit. Throwing a pity guy at Mirage won't fix any of her main problems. She needs to find assurance and confidence in herself as a pilot and as a person, or accept her limitations and make peace with it though the latter is a bad thing in my opinion.

What I really want to see is Mirage becoming an effective leader and a real ace. Breaking out of her creative block and becoming a legend too. She's got the technical skills for it.

on the bright side, Mirage will not end up with a selfish and ignorant prick who only sees Freyja and cares for no one else.

Who dies next?

>>144305173
>Misa will not end up with a selfish and ignorant prick who only sees Minmay and cares for no one else.

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This episode may be increasing Mirage's popularity, after all.

>>144301022
>you will never uhihi with Freyja

>>144305203
Cassim or Herman seem to be the likely candidates.

>>144304422
Their relationship are really great. Nips are talking about Hayate acted so shitty to Freyja in the first episode but he do such a thing for her in this episode.

>>144304997
HIKARU A SHIT. Why does Misa have the worst taste in men?

>>144304943
Well everything you pointed are the reason i like her, i like poor girl.

That said
>lol
Kill yourself.

>>144305203
Cassim/Herman/Arad

>>144305048
Swerve incoming

Querele was also originally Mirage's pet, so Freyja even cucked her out of her cat.

>>144304776
Alto just made it frustrating though. Hayate is more likeable, so I like his romance more as well.

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>>144305227
Another one.

>>144305173
dat second stage of grief and loss

Mikumo has a flag
Twins
Arad
Roid
shota

>>144304943
>>144305288
been Mirage is suffering

> took Hayate from Mirage
> took most of the screen time from Mirage
> took Querele away from Mirage when Mirage needs something to cling to
> Frejya's constant "uhihi" and "hoina" took away Mirage's smile.

Frejya you are a legit bitch

>>144305348
Nah Querele is always dorm's pet, not exclusive to someone.

>>144305048
Nah it was clear from the start that he only wanted help picking presents for Freyja, and he even thanked her with dessert. Misa was just plain stood up.

>>144305348
>>144305483
Punished Mirage: a girl denied of everything

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>>144305483
It's like they merged Minmay and Sheryl while giving her Ranka's young looks so nobody can see past what looks like perfection.

A legit bitch.

>teases her a lot but balances this by praising her constantly
>immediately cheers her up if she looks sad
>tries his hardest to find a good present for her
>decides to give her a personal taste of home
Hayate is a sweet boy

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>>144305402

>>144305610
If you watch it frame -by-frame you will see her rune unconsicously moved towards his finger before Hayate even touched it. She was begging to be touched.

>>144305483
>>144305617
Miragefags really are the most despicable people.

>>144305665
>>144305676
Why is there no sympathy towards Mirage?
Can't you tell that she is suffering now?

>>144305729
Oh I'm sympathizing plenty with her. You are just a disgusting person though. Fucking wretched.

>>144305654
I want to see her happy

;_;

It's like noone even saw the the symbolism in the scene when Freyja sang. You wanna talk about heartwrenching? That's heartwrenching. Yes, I felt for Mirage too when she cried. But that's nothing from the big black void of dread and pain from the word less interaction of Freyja and Hayate. Mirage may have lost the triangle, but Freyja and Hayate are heading towards PAIN.

>>144305856
She will win the Hayatebowl, o ye of little faith

>>144305654
Just asking is search "ミラージュさん" better than just "ミラージュ" in twitter?

>>144305904
No you don't understand. She haves zero chance of winning and if she does it will be a complete ass pull that will make everyone mad

I want to see her developed as a character but there is no chance for that

>>144305898
>Freyja and Hayate are heading towards PAIN.
What ?

>>144305904
>>144305856
Freyja's ship getting bigger but it won't sail. Now Freyja already live thru half of her life, she will continue to sing till the end with the love lock in her heart and pass away. The other way around Mirage's ship getting smaller, but her love for Hayate will become even stronger(thats the reason for her tears). Mirage confirm win in the end, this is Macross after all.

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>>144305898
I was screaming happily at that scene but after saw so many detail and foreshadowing I feel like I'm gonna cry. It's heart warming and heart breaking in the same time.

>>144305898
The scene with Freyja laying down in the snow, with a Hayate sitting over her. Sick or dying with Hayate watching over her last moments? They were running around in the snow, and Freyja vanishes, Hayate looking distraught. They specifically don't show her reappearing. These sort of little snippets matter in a scene like this.

>>144305988
I used the latter. Also, tweetdeck lets you filter tweets with images.

>>144306007
>all this copy-pasta from animesuki and mal.
At least change it a little bit.

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>>144306056
>dat filename

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>Freyja will probably die in the next 20 years

Would hayate survive this?

>>144306005
She's gonna die young bro.

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This felt like something straight out of the pages of a shoujo manga.

Is he doomed?

>>144306003
>and if she does it will be a complete ass pull that will make everyone mad
10 episodes left and there will be no one mad save for Freyjafags

They could even rehash and milk the original even further by pulling 3 last episodes out of their ass

>>144306238
Arad knew that staying away from doom bitch old hag is his first priority.

>設定的に可哀想なのがフレイア
>メタ的に可哀想なのがミラージュ

Well it also start confusing Japanese people.

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>>144306172

>>144306238
What makes me think that he's doomed is his past involvement with Windermere? What was his role there? The bomb thing must be a well-kept secret in NUNS, if it's true they dropped it, so I doubt a mere soldier would know aobut it. If he knew Hayate's dad he probably was special ops too. Arad doesn't look proud about his time in Windermere, nor does he seem like he wants to talk about it.

Well, we still need to know more about that war overall.

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Preggo edits when?

>>144301171
>>144301915
What do runes feel like? Are they squishy?

>>144306238

>Messer dies while Kaname was singing
>Now this

If Arad dies in the next battle, I bet Kaname would commit seppuku.

it seems she was the real shinigami all along

>>144306337
Translation?

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I was browsing an artist's twitter and saw this.
What's the context here?

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>>144303032
>We didn't need 15 episodes of shenanigans and back and forth romance moments/blushing to get our heartstrings pulled.
This is definitely true.

SDF and Frontier were pulling some shit

>>144306615
The real endgame.

>>144306654
the sky?

>>144306615
>Snow huh? Well done.

>>144306615
>Reminds me that time when your father and I nuked few millions of windniggers. If only we had a second bomb

Frontier fags. When frontier was airing, did anyone actually feel threatened by Sheryl's illness? Maybe because i saw it in one go, maybe because i was spoiled, but I didn't really feel worried about her dying before it actually was removed as a threat. It probably didn't sink in before it was no longer the case.

With Freyja though, her death is certain, and feels like nothing can be done about it. It actually feels pretty soul crushingly heavy right now.

>>144306787
>implying Freyja will die

The age bit is just a red herring.

>>144305348
Querele is the dorm's pet

>>144305729
What? I'm plenty sympathetic. But I also see the potential for the story and calling the other girl a bitch is just being butthurt

>>144306238
The moment Arada spill the beans about Hayate's father, he is gonna die like Herman and Cassim.

>>144306787
No, because there was no way a main character like her was going to die. Plus, there was Ranka the Little Queen, around so I was pretty sure she would cure Sheryl somehow.

I agree with Freyja it's more uncertain, but I still think they will fix the Windermerean lifespan somehow.

>>144306834
like, half the song texts disagree with you.

>>144306444
>give Freyja pitiful setting
>give Mirage pitiful for everything else

>>144306615
This whole episode has implied that Arad is gonna die and Freyja would get kidnapped.

>>144306701
Arad would make a good dad.

Please don't kill him Kawamori. Hayate will have enough suffering with the revelations about his father.

>>144307029
>would get kidnapped.

Yeah just like a few days ago this episode would be Hayate's birthday.

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>>144306257
>They could even rehash and milk the original even further by pulling 3 last episodes out of their ass
You know besides the whole "original was rewritten to have a love triangle in it" thing, Hikaru and Misa actually had previous romantic development right? The rescue on Mars, when they got kidnapped by Zentraedi, even in the movie, Misa looks uncomfortable around him before they get stuck on Earth. Delta hasn't had anything like that with Mirage and Hayate.

You'd honestly have a point if he blushed with Mirage's boobs on his back three episodes ago but his first actual blush in the whole show came this week

>>144307029
Oh I wish the implication of the episode was a mere kidnap plot. I wish.

>>144306238

arad is genre savvy as fuck

>completely vanishes when enemy ace appears

>avoids any and all interaction with possible love interest before battle

>>144306787
Oh no way. I was really more wondering how they would get the virus out of her (then Ranka did Vajra magic so yeah)

>>144306439
Arad is doomed no matter what. The moment the truth about Hayate's father is revealed, he is dead. This whole episode screams that something bad is going to happen during Mikumo's suggested mission.

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>>144307029
Actually I would think more like implying Freyja was gonna die if this wasn't Macross and she wasn't the most popular one

>>144307023
Seems about right

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>>144305255
Hikaru completely fucked up in that episode. Like holy shit. His only redeeming factor was that he helped suppress a small Zentradi uprising but otherwise that was some serious BS he pulled.

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>>144303773
Man you must have hated Zero's "Mao no chance" triangle and 7's "Mylene has a good man next to her but she can't stop wanting the guy who has no interest in her" triangle

>>144307167
>Actually I would think more like implying Freyja was gonna die if this wasn't Macross and she wasn't the most popular one
That's why I think it's gonna be a kidnap plot. My first thought was death too.

>>144306787
No. Just because the girl MC loves dies doesn't mean he's going to hoop up with a chick he doesn't have feelings for.

Didn't watch the episode properly but I did listen to the songs.
>Freyja sings a song about 30 years, about how before she doesn't want to "sleep" before she sees things through
>Freyja's 15th birthday, with a very obvious shot of the 15 on the cake in the ED

Even though the final scene had Mirage losing the triangle the episode drives in the fact that Freyja is going to die. Though Freyja will "win" the triangle she and Hayate are in for suffering afterwards.

IS GG GONNA BE LATE AGAIN?

>>144303333
Nuking Earth comes first, though. Earthlings must pay for their crimes.

No delays from gg this week right?

Even if Freyja's lifespan doesn't get resolved towards the end (which I'm pretty sure it will be resolved somehow) making Hayate end up with Mirage out of "oh well, guess this is what you get then" would be terrible

If there's no Freyja end, I can see Hayate dedicating his life to flying the skies while thanking Freyja for everything she did for him/the love she made him feel.

>>144302810
She appears in scenes where she's not even warranted. I wish they'd actually give other characters more screen time (before you ask, I do like Feryja).

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>>144307327
fuck off windnigger

>>144307444
>If there's no Freyja end

there won't

>>144307251
And I really hope they don't do that because that's been so done already

To be honest I wouldn't mind an early resolution of the triangle like this episode suggests (now we'd only need Hayate to realize his feelings for once and confess), since that way we could focus on other things. Plus, I like the idea of Mirage getting over her heartbreak, looking afer HayaFre and becoming a better pilot.

>>144307462
If only Zentradi had done their job 60 years ago ...

>>144307450
>She appears in scenes where she's not even warranted.
Where?

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>>144306381

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Am I the only one that noticed that this is the first time that Kaname is not next to Arad when all the characters are together?

In the first half of the series she would always be next to him, be it at briefings, at the Ragnyannyan or in other places, even at the ceremony they did at the beach for Messer she was sitting with him and standing next to him before going to the sea to sing.

But in this one Kaname was with the other girls and then when Arad is alone she just looked at him and then looked away. I mean it can't be that she was embarrased or shy when normally she would ask him to eat together or would drink with him at parties, so what is happening?

>>144301296
>Minmay's birthday.
>Hikaru give a shitty medal as a present.
>Freyja's birthday.
>Hayate made snow to make her feel like living in her own hometown again.
Hikaru is so lame, I understand why Kawamori doesn't want to give Minmay to him.

>>144307244
Bah, Mao was a brat, she deserved to lose

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Best girl

>>144305141
>>144304789
That's why Mirage victory is( or will be) clear-cut so far as episode 16. The other option is Delta being a bad series. Again, this is up to 16.

>>144305141
But that's not happening at all. The only thing she has is the triangle, her other traits have faded into nothing in "favor" of her love.

>>144307794
She will win the MCball

>>144307809
>Delta is a bad series because my girl didn't win and I think there can only be one kind of love triangle

>>144307850
only 4 episodes she declared a rivalry to Hayate. You're just full of shit.

>>144307809
>The other option is Delta being a bad series.
Explain.
How would it make Delta a bad series if Mirage loses?

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>>144307682
Both Kaname and Mirage should go have a drink. Maybe this can help Mirage make a resolution for herself on what she should do. Just like how Claudia have been consoling Misa all these while.

It's bad choice for Mirage and the show itself if she wins the triangle but didn't do anything.
It's good choice for Mirage and the show itself if she getting development and done something great for herself, even that means she will lose the triangle.

>>144307989

Or they could get drunk and comfort each other.

>>144307682
All I can wonder where is hat?

>>144308164
>hat
*her hat

>>144308164
Hat not on head. Where is hat? Maybe inside?

>China dress
>birthday episode

Yep, truly the loser

I'm not falling for Kawamori's tricks and rusemen tactics

>>144308164
She left it in her room on Ragna, RIP hat.

>>144308016
Maybe her perseverance after this heartbreaking episode led her to beat one or two of the Aerial knights?

Why are these Macross threads so damn shitty? It feels soon much like the shit place like MAL.

>>144308610
I'm not sure but I'm going to blame the Sherylfags.

>>144307296

Yeah, implying that Kawamori would ever dare to kill off triangle participants.