She literally did nothing wrong, what the fuck.

>>144118588
abusive and selfish

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>>144118588
Best meguca

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>>144118847
>selfish
That would be those fluffy "incubator" shits. She also saved everyone from the shitty witch-cycle.

>>144118847
Kyubey pls.

>>144118588
I wish she were like 6 years older so I could waifu her

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>>144119009
pedo shit

>>144118847
She made everybody happy.

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>>144118889
This

>>144119009
she's technically over 20 if you count the time loops

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>>144118588

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>>144118847
>want to save someone
>selfish
True, she did it because she loved Madoka but true altruism doesn't exist unless you are Archer

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>>144121444
>archer
>"lol, let's kill mudslimes to save mudslimes" the character

HOMURA DID EVERYTHING WRONG

I don't know where it was but I remember reading a review of Madoka and I remember it mentioning this
>later we find out that Homura is actually the villain of the story
Like what the fuck? How? I can't see her as a villain no matter how I look at it. So yes, she did nothing wrong.

>>144121779
It's astonishing how people misinterpret Rebellion so often. They become convinced Homura is an evil villain because of that one line at the end. Are they really unable to understand anything except what's literally spelt out for them?

>>144118588
The plot of Madoka is largely driven around perception and reaction to the reality of the work's universe. It is not a matter of Homura doing anything objectively "wrong", as the Law of Cycles continues to function under Homura and the dead girls have been given a second chance at life, but how everyone reacts to her actions. We've already seen two.

>Homura believes her actions were the ultimate sin and make her unworthy of love and salvation. She will play the villain because in her mind she deserves to be punished and hated and eternal damnation is fine if Madoka can be with her family again.

>Sayaka believes that Homura's a full blown. In spite of all the evidence to the contrary, she takes Homura's words at face value and even claims without reason that it is Homura's intent to destroy the universe, which Homura mockingly replies in the affirmative. Homura must be stopped at all costs in her mind.

We don't know how Kyouko or Mami will react or how it will affect the plot, but ultimately everything hinges on how Madoka's reacts to and perceives Homura's actions. We know she wants to (and probably has to at some point) return to being a concept, but it really doesn't tell us how she feels about anything beyond her commitment to duty over personal happiness. Ultimately, this puts Madoka's unconditional love for Homura to the test. If Madoka believes Homura-chan will always be Homura-chan, then she has to either stick to this and see Homura's redemption through or do a 180 and abandon her.

>>144121444
>want to save someone
>selfish

wanting to save someone (that maybe didn't even want to be saved) at the expense of everyone else decidedly counts as selfish

>>144122319
>at the expense of everyone else
You mean giving the life everyone wanted to everyone except herself?

>>144122319
>wanting to save someone (that maybe didn't even want to be saved)
Valid point, but it works the other way too: Homura didn't want to be saved either.

>expense of everyone else
The whole point was it was at the expense of the one person capable of understanding her.

>>144122319
Are you really this retarded?

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>>144118588
>People die when they are killed
>Fun things are fun
New AND exciting!

>>144121676
Lies

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>>144121676
You take that back, you fucking shitlord!

>>144119514
Homura's around 24.

>>144118588
absolute trash character from a trash series

>>144118588
Maybe I got something wrong but I'm always amazed that this isn't a popular opinion. Do you guys remember the ending of Madoka? Dumb shit wasted her wish. Magical girls randomly asplode, there are no witches so they get to be superheroes without supervision, and for some retarded fucking reason the QB still exist.

Homura at least had the decency to fix the ending.

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>>144124700
>I'm always amazed that this isn't a popular opinion
>Implying this isn't a popular opinion
Can't argue with the results. Ethically though, it did requires her wronging Madoka. But Homura's mature enough to accept Madoka may never forgive her.
>Madoka
>Not forgiving Homo

>>144124700
Without QB humanity would never have developed you little shit, it was necessary
Stop pretending you know what you're talking about

>>144118894
That was Madoka.

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>>144124303

I dunno man shit did fuck some shit up

>>144122383
We still don't know what exactly are the repercussions of what Homura did. Somehow I doubt nothing will come of it.

>>144125213
Had Homura not rebelled, Kyubey would have captured Madoka the next time using Mami or Kyouko. Except this time, Kyubey knows exactly how Madoka will act. So yes, Homura did save megucas from becoming witches again.

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>>144125220
>Madoka's unhappy and the world's fucked
>let me sacrifice myself and fix everything

Homura is literally female Jesus. She sacrificed herself so that the others may live happily.

>>144125152
>Without QB humanity would never have developed you little shit
Citation needed you furry little shit. In the series QB outright says that humanity would have taken longer to develop. And what's the point in developing faster if you're just going to be slaves to a bunch of intergalactic space niggers?

>>144125220
also add this>>144125338
to this >>144125391

>>144125434
I mean it's a very serious ramification. Retards focus on the devil and never really give thought to the fact Kyubey is an enemy to Madoka and Homura. When Madoka and Homura's lovers quarrel is over, they still need to do address the fact Kyubey is both necessary for the continued existence of the universe and incredibly dangerous to magical girls as a whole.

>>144125625
But it's not that hard to figure out though.

Why didn't they just wish entropy away?

>>144125625
Which is why Homura broke Kyubey into being her slave (presumably using the curses of the wraiths or whatever), specifically to negate his threat, and possibly manage entropy or whatever.

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All of the undeniably good consequences of Homu's actions aren't evidence that her intentions weren't selfish; they were indeed selfish. Her obsession and devotion are the best parts of her character though. Saving the world wasn't as important as stealing a piece of Madoka that Homu could stay with.

>>144125825
Because the entire universe would cease to exist as we know it. It's a fundamental aspect of physical law, and removing it would create a system completely alien to us.

She doesn't do anything wrong until Rebellion. Just don't watch Rebellion and Madoka becomes a much better series.

>>144125897
Madoka rewrote the universe with her wasted wish anyway.

>>144125878
>doing good things for selfish reasons is wrong
>doing things for selfish reasons is wrong
Jesus fucking Yamato anon.

>>144125313
As things stand she literally did nothing wrong. Maybe you'll have an argument in 18 years when the next movie comes out

There's literally no human being that isn't selfish in some way
Doing good things feels good, its a nice sensation to not be an asshole. Having this sense of selfishness doesn't make you a bad person though

>>144126014
Because she added a single law that only affected a very specific process, not removed one that's present in literally every reaction ever.

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>>144125878
>saving loved ones no matter what (while saving the universe too at the same time) is wrong

Yeah, go fuck yourself.

>Ever doubting the true goddess

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I want Homura to be more selfish

>>144118894
>>144118941
>incubators
>selfish
They are taking advantage of one small subset of one species from one planet out of an entire universe of living things for the sake of every other life form.
If the incubators weren't making contracts with cute anime girls you faggots would almost certainly support them.

>>144125711
I agree it really isn't.

>>144125853
He continues to play the same role he always had: collecting grief to counter entropy. His threat is only negated as long as the status quo holds, which certainly it won't. The second shit hits the fan, he'll no longer be under Homura's thumb.

>>144126357
Remember when he tried to use a god?

>>144125878
>Saving the world wasn't as important as stealing a piece of Madoka that Homu could stay with.

Are people still this fucking confused as to why Homura stole a piece of the Law of Cycles? If it came down to just being with Madoka, she already had that.
>Madoka: From now on, we're together forever.
>Movie ends with Madoka with her family
>Post-credit scene is Homura sitting on a mountain top alone, content in being Madoka's protector
It was about reuniting Madoka with her family because this is what she believed Madoka wanted.

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>>144126281
At no point am I condemning Homu in that post, though reading >>144126528 has definitely opened my eyes a little. Thanks.

>>144126528
>reuniting Madoka with her family because this is what she believed Madoka wanted.
That was just a convenient excuse anon. She really just wanted to be with Madoka in reality

Will Madoka ever escape the rape basement that Homura has turned her reality into

>>144127826
>Being this autistic
She was about to be with Madoka for eternity. The first 2 minutes of the concept movie explains her reasoning. It's literally lizard girl felt pity that god couldn't be with her friends and family or enjoy the things she did when she was human so lizard girl tore god in half so she could do these things again.

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>>144125878
>giving up her sanity
>giving up her salvation
>giving up any possibility of a normal relationship with the person she loves
>for the person she loves
>selfish
Homu is the most selfless. Deal with it.

>>144121779
>I don't know where
That was probably Tumblr or MAL.

>>144129688
She has never wanted this kind of salvation. That was the whole point.

>>144130023
She didn't want that "kind of happiness" if it meant Kyubey would make Madoka suffer.

>>144130222
She didn't want to be saved by Madoka in any way. Even butcher said that.

>>144130855
Butcher said he didn't think an ending where Madoka took Homura to heaven wouldn't really make her happy. So he created a scenario where Madoka taking Homura to heaven would be a bad decision on the part of Homura. That's a major difference there.

>>144131539
*would really make her happy

>>144130855
The problem is that Madoka sacrificed herself to save the magical girls-- Homura takes issue with the sacrifice itself. That's why she sees it to be necessary to save Madoka.

>>144131539
Madoka taking Homura to heaven was a bad end for Homura even without Rebellion. It's just obvious.

Homura's wish was to be strong enough to protect Madoka. Who did Madoka ask Homura to protect her from in timeline 3? Kyubey and herself. Who does Homura believe she is protecting Madoka from at the end of Rebellion? Kyubey and Madoka herself.

Go enjoy your life Madoka. You asked for this.

Can Madoka have a romantic relationship with some boy in Homura's world?

If she can't, then the whole "Homu sacrificed herself" thing is pretentious.

>>144132273
I know a lot of Madoka "fans" tend to portray Homura like some stereotypical yandere. But she's not like that at all. While I'm pretty sure her greatest wish is to be together with Madoka, she won't deny Madoka happiness for her own selfish reasons. So yes, Madoka could have a romantic relationship with a boy if that's what she wanted. Although there's no way Urobuchi will go that direction.

>>144132273
>Can Madoka have a romantic relationship with some boy in Homura's world?
Technically she can. It's not going to happen, but it can. But it misses the point. Scissoring or not, Madoka as a god was the only person who understood Homura. Because Madoka is reverted to the state of a normal human, Madoka no longer understands or remembers Homura.

>If she can't, then the whole "Homu sacrificed herself" thing is pretentious.
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>144132273
Homura feels herself undeserving of Madoka's love, so she doesn't care if she gets in another romantic relationship so long as the partner is a decent person.

>>144132273
>Dadoka is with Momdoka
>Kyousuke is with Hitomi
>Nakaza is with the teacher
>Brodoka is like 2
There are literally no boys she can get with across all three universes.

>>144132787
You forgot the two dudes that Sayaka murdered on a train.

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>>144132787
Me on the right

>>144132426
>Although there's no way Urobuchi will go that direction.
That would pretty much kill the franchise.

>>144132851
Homura doesn't want Madoka to be associating with friends of Sho. He has a reputation for being good at dumping bitches.

>>144132936
You might have a shot.

https://youtu.be/nqPntVlsN-k

Best part of the dub.

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>>144133914
>bus scene
???

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>>144133914
>bus scene

>>144133914
I don't think that's a bus.