Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1601

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Zoinks

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>>144057944
>>144070721

ITHVNR works great with many visual novels but apparently Hitori no Qualia is not one of them. Luckily, the original ITH works great. Because of this, I wanted to pin them both on my taskbar, but they had the same icon. So I cobbled up an ITH-style ITHVNR icon to use instead. If anyone else cares then links are in the Hongfire ITHVNR thread since 4chan won't let me post links.

>>144085627
Of all of the posters that tried to get the first post with their positive inspiration or meme you have outlasted everyone. You started before them also

>駅の前で会いましょう
>駅前の店で会いましょう

Are both of these correct? Why is there a の before 前 in the first sentence, but not in the second one?

>>144085846
Can't doink the zoink

>>144085597

Like the image.

>娶る
>めとる
>女+取
>め+とる
based

Ok my shower is done.

>>144083248
>>144085041
I think I get it now.

>>壊れてなければ、壊れてるってことを言い訳に、こんなことを考えなくてすんだのにな
The implication of this is, if I was not broken I could somehow excuse my behavior, and wouldn't have to think about this (-> but since I am broken, there are no excuses with the implication that behavior is gonna keep happening)

Something like that? Honestly it's still pretty hard to comprehend but I think I know about this thing a bit more now than at the start

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>>144085846
だってできなかったの..難しすぎ

今日知った文法

～てなるものか

意味は
～てはならない。絶対させない
～てたまるか
例文：「ここで朽ちてなるものか」

>>144085872
I think 駅の前 is right in front of the entrance and 駅前 is the broad area that surrounds it.

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>>144086417
この文法なんか初めて見た。。dojgで見つけないけどな

>>144086417
>「ここで朽ちてなるものか」
I will not rot in this place?

Does anyone else find that drinking actually sometimes helps them to study better??
Obviously not drinking so much that you can't think or focus, but I mean one or two pints helps boost my passion or energy if I'm struggling to stay motivated on a boring task. Also it boosts my confidence a little so I'm not bothered about making mistakes for example when practising speaking.

>>144086970
Never really tried, my mental performance always feels atrocious when I drink even if it's only a little bit, and I end up getting really restless

Studying while baked however is amazing, especially listening practice, it amplifies your hearing so much, it's like every word floats directly into your eardrum without missing a single syllable

>>144086970
namasensei, in his lessons, teaches us to drink beer

>>144086913
つまり「ここでこのまま死ぬわけにはいかない」という意味ね
>>144086760
俺も長年の勉強の中で見たことがないのだから
DOJGにないのも当然だ

いつも楽しく笑っているような顔をしているが、
別にいつも楽しくて笑っている訳ではない
生まれつきだ

>>144087576
t. 時雨沢恵一

>>144087576
それほど深くないよｗ

>>144088273
深い訳がないだろう
ただいい響きだと思ったから

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学ぶをしよう？めんどくさい、明日にするほうがいいのに

>>144089375
明日に出来るものを今日にやる理由はない
それと同じように、他の人が出来るものを自分から進んでやる理由はない
適材適所ってやつ
自分が得意なこと、今やらなければやらないこと、それから始めればいい
だから俺は引きこもってゲームとオナニーをやってる

>>144086228
>>144085627
>retard who can't even read kanji

It's far too tempting to buy a smartphone so that I can do my reps at work, is the ankidroid thing any good?

>>144090054
>not having a smartphone in this day and age
How do you feel when you sit alone and everyone is touching their phones?

>>144090145
The only time I leave my house is to go to work or to specifically do something. There isn't really an opportunity for such a thing.

wanikani's vocab list is a thousand times better than core6k

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>>144090399
Did you say
Wani
Kani?

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>>144090450

how do you say ten minutes if 十分 is "enough"?

>>144090399
No surprise. You get what you pay for

>>144090593
It's written the same way, just the pronunciation is different.

十分 --> Enough --> じゅうぶん
十分 --> Ten minutes --> じっぷん

is 個 the counter for fireworks?

>>144090593
10分

Is the kanji grid Anki plugin not working for anyone else? I'm getting a ZeroDivisionError.

>>144091027
stop trying to divide by zero then

Does watching JAV count towards my listening practise??

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>>144091697
How? Do I have to put something on the first field?

>>144090399
No shit cores atrocious

>三原じゅん子
this is the most annoying japanese name i have ever seen

>>144092039
You have to put some shit that matches your cards, I always just put "front"

>>144091935
当たり前だろう

Why shouldn't I review RTK cards Kanji->Keyword?

The book says it will explain why but never does

>>144084902
Moogy said it was a bad idea to read too early on because you won't actually understand it, just like the guy in the image also said.

>>144092424
Moogy is irrelevant.

>>144092483
I was responding to someone who was talking about moogy, kid. Try again next time.

>>144092290
It's harder to think of the kanji when only given the keyword rather than the other way around. It only tells you to do it that way because if you plan on writing you will be thinking of words in your head in english and then converting to kanji and not the other way around. If you're like everyone else and only care about reading then studying kanji-keyword is fine imo.

is yotsuba autistic

>>144092592
No she is from Taiwan

>>144092290
I think it's because you're shown all the individual elements of the story when you look at the kanji rather than having to remember all them with only given the keyword. It's harder with just the keyword which means you remember it better when studied.

>>144092504
Stop talking about Moogy

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>>144092190
'front' worked. Thanks.

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Wake me up inside.

>>144092762
I was responding to someone who was talking about moogy, kid. Try again next time.

Does anyone else feel like they have a really hard time putting together two or more kanji in a jukugo and understanding what it means?

Even when I know the kanji my common sense as to what they mean when put together is atrocious, it's quite inconvenient

>>144092925
The fact that you remember or care about things that moogy says makes you pathetic.

>>144093193
Why would I forget something I read once by chance a long time ago?

>>144092925
Are you Moody himself or what

>>144093244
Why would you be in a place where people talk about the opinions of random gaijin erogaylords

>>144093282
What in the world makes you think that?
>>144093288
People talk about erogaylords here? News to me.

>>144093314
Yea you're definitely Moody. Just fuck off back to vndb instead of samefagging here

>/jp/ dropouts arguing with people that don't give a shit
lulz

>>144093365
You might want to take your loxapine, m8.

>人は自身を直接見ることはできないからだ。無人が浸透した背景は、自己性を曖昧に喪失させる。

Jesus fuck. Will I ever be able to understand something like this?

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About 200 words into Anki, and I can pretty much recognize every kanji by treating it like a picture. (which is really cool. I'd imagine that the Japanese have the highest average reading speed.)
But I'm worried that I'll soon start mixing them up with similar looking ones. How much attention did you guys pay to the exact lines on the kanji? Did you practice writing them?
I have no idea what the stroke order would be for any of them. Is that a bad thing?

>>144093462
Do a radicals deck
>I have no idea what the stroke order would be for any of them. Is that a bad thing?
Top left to bottom right, one component at a time, and sometimes there are exceptions. Done.

>>144093430
Yea you keep saying that

>>144093458
Nope

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おはようおにいちゃん

そうじきかけるから

ゆかのものぜんぶかたして

>>144093537
Because it's true. I don't know what happened to you, but you're clearly experiencing delusions and need to take your medication.

>>144093580
Don't mention Mooby again

>>144093627
Why would I mention Moogy?

>>144093672
Who

>>144093462
the general rules for stroke order can be learned in a minute, there are a few exceptions though. Just plug in the kanji you see in anki for the first time into jisho and write it once with the correct stroke order. You'll understand all the rules fast.

>>144093563
本物のかわいい妹ちゃんがいればいいなぁ～

There's one thing I don't quite get regarding kanji. Suppose you are reading a sentence and you come across one that you do not know, and there's no furigana. How would you know the way to pronounce it? You could get the (supposed) meaning from context just like every other language, but then you at least know the characters. Now I just have a sentence with a blank part in it.

>>144092817
Why is strawberry a level 1 kanji?

>>144093715
You don't. You can make educated guesses at times

>>144093715
With a dictionary

>>144093768
>>144093779
So if you're reading a text out loud, you're basically boned?

Help with this sentence please?

> 勿体ぶったり焦らされるのは嫌いじゃないみたい
I'm guessing 勿体 is in the sense of overemphasis here, ぶったり is... I'm not really sure if it's "to hit", but I'm going with that.
"About being (hit with, emphasis) teased, she doesn't seem to hate it"

Is this correct?

>>144093800
Yeah, but it doesn't take as long as you'd think to learn the readings of all the common kanji, as long as you keep reading and learning vocab

Some kanji have phonetic components too, like if they all share the same radical they'll have the same on-yomi, like 包 抱 泡 砲 胞 飽 are all ほう, so that can help sometimes

>>144093923
勿体ぶる

>>144093800
Suppose you're reading a book in english and you come across a word you don't know. How do you know how to pronounce it?

>>144093989
Oh, I just found that here:
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1077777170
And holy cows how do I put this (that phrase with 焦らされる) in english?

>>144094053
Like I said,
>then you at least know the characters
None of those characters are foreign, the worst thing you can do is place an emphasis wrong or something. I may not know what "abnegation" means when I see it for the first time, but I can just read all the characters and I know how to pronounce it. If I see　水 for the first time in my life, it stops right there.

>>144093961
Thanks. I suppose those are the kind of rules you'd pick up while learning them anyway, so I suppose it'll be fine then.

>>144093711
このにせおにいちゃんめ

Guys what does 斜め上 mean?

It's being used as "ナナメ上の回答が好き"

>>144094338
>None of those characters are foreign, the worst thing you can do is place an emphasis wrong or something
You can pronounce it completely wrong.

>>144094507
imoutoの回答はだいたい斜め上

>>144094611
I am really struggling to think of an example that won't at least end up with you saying a word recognizable as "oh, he means...". It may be completely wrong, but even then you have a general idea of how it is pronounced. But you're welcome to give an example.

>>144094722
Try reading some hard books and you'll find some. It's not like Japanese come across words they can't make a good guess for all that often either

>>144094685
なるほど～

斜め上は「かわいいな～ナデナデしたいよぉ～」な感じの意味ですか？

I have probably no idea what any of those words mean. I will still have a general idea of what they sound like. Because while the word is unknown, the characters that make up their pronunciation are not. This is not the case with kanji. Where the character is completely unknown to me. Whether Japanese know how to pronounce everything was never my question, and whether they understand the words even less so.
I really don't see the point you are trying to make.

>>144094507
物事が予想の↑ではなく、↗とかの方向に進むことである。

>>144094768
But coming across an unknown word in English that you don't know and can't pronounce is not at all the same as encountering an unknown kanji. If you're reading a text out loud and come across "hyperbole" you can still make a guess and read it like "hyperbole". You can't do that with kanji.

"John and Sally went to the مكتبة to pick up a كتاب." How would you deal with these words if you were reading the sentence out loud to someone? You can't read them and have no idea how they are pronounced.

>>144094938
Thanks, I was thinking it would be something like that

>>144095064
Yes you can.
If I come across 遉, I've never seen it before, I could easily make a guess and read it like 貞. It would be wrong, but I could do it.

>>144095064
So?

>>144093047
Yeah, I just add jukugo to my vocab deck as I would with any other word. There are not that many of them in common use, so I might as well just cram them.

>feel like I'm progressing decently well
>read a couple Romeo excerpts
>realize I can't learn Japanese
;_;

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How would you translate this joke?

>>144095403
shits gay anyway read some real japanese like http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20160713/k10010593111000.html?utm_int=news_contents_news-main_002

>>144095430
I don't get it

>>144095520
I see a joke but don't see any joke that wouldn't come across by a literal translation

>>144095605
>首がとれて
>いつも通りじゃないの？

Is 等 after a noun read as など?

>>144095430
I don't see what you are having trouble with.
Why are you even translating this?

>>144095653
I suppose, unless you're talking about names, in which case it's ら

>>144095645
What about it?

>>144095653
In names of forms and bureaucratic shit it is とう

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I WILL LEARN AND I WILL SUCCEED

>>144095430
I can't understand the last phrase.

Su was also somehow not
(?)

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>>144095788
>704 in 291 minutes

Peasant

>>144095699
>>144095737
The joke revolves around the ambiguous subject of her sentence. The guy saying "Isn't that how it always is?" is thinking she's talking about herself, when she was actually talking about the slime girl who imitated her. The title of the comic is "I thought you would die".

>>144095950
I mean I don't know the characters or anything but what's wrong with just having it be like "It...it came off!"

does coffee really improve retention? i just drank a cup and i'm not noticing any difference

>>144095933
Enjoy that zero retention

>>144096010
It's from a manga about monster girls.
One is a slime-type, another one is a dullahan (the one who walks around carrying their head in their arms), and she was surprised when the slime imitated her taking her head off too.
That's the joke.

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>>144096313
It's not too bad, has been going down recently though, maybe I should slow down a bit

>>144096316
What does the box at the end mean?
I get it all apart from that part like this guy >>144095815 said

>>144096467
I don't know, I'm that guy.

>>144096567
Ah, small world

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教えるうちに、お前らのことを守りたい..守らせてくれ

>>144096467
スーは全然大丈夫だった

>>144096708
なるほど、ありがとうな

I was just about to ask a similar question as >>144096308

Does anyone have some tips on how to improve your learning ability?
I drunk like 5 big cups of coffee and it didn't really improve anything, more sleep does help though and the earlier I do my reps the better I am.

I can't do my reps after 6pm or I can't concentrate at all.

>>144097160
eat better and work out

>>144096308
I wouldn't say it's supposed to increase retention, it just makes you more alert and pumped up

>>144097160
Well you can google some mnemonic techniques and see what works best for you.

I noticed my retention got way, way better when I started to think and "link" new words to something else I already knew, like an action, another word or some character's line. When there isn't one I know, I make/google one.

Then whenever it comes up again, I kinda "oh, it's that phrase" and things get easier.

How do people with bad ADD manage to keep up with this? I'm struggling to manage my ADD pretty badly, it's killing me.

>>144098009
By committing sudoku

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は？一体何が起こってるの

>>144098171
stop being so salty

I just read a chapter of yuyushiki and had no idea what was going on

>>144098171
Your kind and thoughtful road worker is just advising you to never neglect your salt intake like he did once on a hot summer day.

>>144098204
Try watching an episode raw you'll be giving up in no time

>>144096308
>>144097160
i've found a better solution to increase retention

just do your reps before you take a shit, and don't let yourself go until you've finished them all

works like a charm desu

>>144098009
ADD doesn't exist

>>144098204
>>144098476
>yuyushiki
>hard

Bought a Kindle Fire tablet today so I can do my reps away from my computer. Now I can do them in the living room, or the kitchen, or the bathroom. If I ever actually leave the house I can use it then too.

>>144098947
Hi amazon

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>>144098947
kindle fire? the one that has 1280x800 high definition lcd display with over one million pixels, fast 1.5GHz dual-core processor, and ultra-fast web browsing over built-in wifi? i should buy one too

>>144099059
It is on sale today, that's why I bought it. I didn't even mention the sale, although I should have to help my fellow DJTomodachis.

>>144099169
Uh, I know it has a 7" screen and it can run Anki, I hope. I think I have to do something to it to make it run Anki, but I'll figure that out when I get it.

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昨日って彼女と嵌めるをするのために図書館にきた。

>>144099407
日本語下手ですね

>>144099450
当然でしょう

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>>144099407
彼女と嵌めに図書館に行った？

>>144092817

How did you sort by Kanji Kentei level? The plugin last updated in December and mine doesn't have that option.

I'm so tired of doing the same fucking anki deck (2k6k vocab) learning words that I'll need once in a bluemoon.

I'm only at 1500 words but I feel like dropping that shit and just reading and doing my mining deck would be better.

But then I don't have sound fuck.

What do /a/?

>>144099723
Watch anime

>>144099723
>I'll need once in a bluemoon
Try actually reading something and you'll see that almost all Core words are super common.

>>144098664
im so good at nihongo check me out you weebs

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>下から教えた方が早い

What's 下から教える meant to mean?

i have a question.
Do you write the kanjis you learn from anki?
i've been studying the deck but i never learned how to write any kanji, just reading.

>>144100180
It's 数える

>>144100224
I jot new cards down and sometimes again later if i really have trouble remembering them. I ignore stroke order, I don't know it

>>144099781
>It sounds like you are greatly overestimating the current ability of science to understand what goes on inside a brain.
We can notice when certain things are different than normal anon. Detecting chemical interactions is trivial. People do it all the time.
>Whatever your views on the matter there's no question that ADHD has been overdiagnosed
That has nothing to do with whether it's real.
>and is still poorly understood
It's the opposite of poorly understood. It's probably one of the most well-understood mental illnesses in neurology. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>so it's entirely right to treat any casual mention of it with suspicion.
Skepticism and suspicion are entirely different things. Being suspicious of mainstream scientific beliefs is a sign of delusion.

>>144100280
God damnit.

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>>144100403
you think it was teaching hah numbers
you think it was thinking nope teaching
it was numbers wrong again thinking

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Where is /djt/ from?

>>144100518
You should stop studying Japanese, it's making your English dodgy

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>>144100667
oh ffs, i was reading something earlier and it took me a while to get it when id normally have no problems

now im real worried

>>144100600
オーストラリア

>>144099723
it doesn't really matter when you stop using core if you're already reading, you'll be able to mine all the non-useless words eventually anyways

just set new cards to zero and only do the reviews

>>144100784
オーストラア?

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Those long kanji compounds are so ridiculous that even the Japanese themselves make fun of it.

What does /djt/ think about language schools in Japan?
Are these courses for 6 months or a year worth it?

I kinda feel like leaving everything behind, going to Japan to learn the language and live there even if I only get a job as burger flipper in a Japanese McDonalds.

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Cock Mongler has aged well.

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>嫁姉ッ!　お姉ちゃんの愛情は無限大!　弟とだったら子作りもＯＫ!
Very compelling content

So i've been doing Tae Kims Grammer guide for a bit but haven't been doing much in the way of vocab at all. Anyone know a good way to start doing vocab now that I've gotten pretty far into the grammer guide? (I'm on Noun Properties atm)

>>144101958
I did Anki core 2k/6k and stopped 2k in and made a new deck with mined words

What Japanese dictionary do you guys use on Android? I'm using one called Jsho at the moment and it's pretty good, but words don't come with audio when I send them to AnkiDroid (also it puts reading and definition in the same field so I have to constantly cut and paste).

>>144092290
he somewhat explains it at the start of lesson 11.
i think its worth reviewing from kanji-> keyword sporadically because there are some kanji and some keywords that are very close in meaning, but getting from keyword to kanji is pretty much the whole reason the book exists

>>144102146
What exactly are mined words? I've been thinking of making an anki/quizlet for all the words in the tae kim grammer guide as well as trying to study with the anki core 2k/6k

>親父は心配性だからこういう武器をたくさん持ち歩かせんだよなぁ。

What would the non-slang version of 持ち歩かせん be? I thought it'd be 持ち歩かせない, but the context shows them to be holding the 武器 so it can't be negative.

>>144102480
Read the guide. Ctrl+F "mining deck"

literally impossible

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>>144102745

>>144102745
The worst part is that it's literally possible.

>>144102745
at least you don't have to learn english

I'm reading my first novel, it's physical, and it took me about an hour to get through the character introduction pages because a fuckton of unknown kanjis.

First page also had about 5~ kanjis I didn't knew or didn't remembered.

Tell me it gets better until I finish this volume.

フランス人のビッチ先生どこ...

>>144103217
>Maybe there does exist some genuine neurological disorder that you call ADHD but it has little to no relation with what ADHD is defined as by common society.
People are shit at understanding things. That doesn't mean the thing isn't real and reasonably common. ADHD is overdiagnosed but it's not the storm of ignorant labeling you think it is, and people who suffer from ADHD can have it so bad that it makes it impossible for them to function.

Anon never said anything about the diagnosis at all. You're arguing against him because you think he's disagreeing with the idea that ADHD is overblown. He's not. He hasn't done anything but respond to things you said that have to do with the actual disorder itself, not its diagnosis.

>>144103184
>he bought a physical novel even though he can't read for shit

my sides

>>144102807
Can you please explain to me how you learned Japanese? I'm having some trouble during the Kanji "part", I simply can't connect the dots.
I'm kinda lost.

>>144103054
I wish I at least could see (understand) the grammar basics like english (except they are different) but it's so confuse in my head that I always give up.
How did you start learning sentences?

>>144102641
持ち歩かせ
it's like
違うんだよ～
when you can say 違うだよ

>>144103184
Pro tip from one ESL to another ESL: "didn't know", "didn't remember".
And plural of kanji is kanji.

>>144103184
Ｌｏｌ　ｅｏｐ

>>144103184
I thought my situation was bad.

>>144103698
"People" here does not mean "the people", it means "some arbitrary people" (and said people are wrong, and a minority). Learn english before you try to argue about semantics.

>>144103581
>>144103448
>>144103603
>>144103698
Hello!!
Please help me a little >>144103424

>>144103719
>>144103698
>>144103603
Nobody gives a shit

>>144103698
>medical terms mean whatever people think they mean
You are LITERALLY cancer itself. You are LITERALLY a cancerous mass that's LITERALLY infecting society. Medically speaking. No sarcasm. Literally serious. That's what cancer and infection medically mean, right?

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>>144103424
Just expose yourself to it, just like how you learn your first language. Even a baby can learn a new language.

>>144103757
This would be a valid argument if we were on a medical forum, but on 4chan that is a perfectly valid definition of cancer.

>>144103866
What are you talking about? That IS the medical definition of cancer.

Daily adhd thread

>>144103424
>Can you please explain to me how you learned Japanese?
I actually started learning less than a week ago.
Any language can get pretty confusing when you start, and even more when they decide to use those goddamn chink characters.
I even had trouble learning fucking English due to how bad education is in my third world shithole.

You can "learn" the kanji through vocabulary if you don't want to study them individually. Read the guide.

>I wish I at least could see (understand) the grammar basics like english (except they are different)
ffs, don't compare grammar from two completely different languages. At least try to understand it, even if you forget shortly after. You will need to review grammar when reading/writing/whatever.

I can be wrong in some stuff here. It's just my opinion.

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お前らは何を読んでか

>>144103555
Thanks.

ある意味で英語は日本語より難しいだと思う

>>144103398
I can read fine with OCR though, but I wanted something more.

>>144104067
＊何を読んでいるか
ごめんｗ

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>think core contains some useless, low frequency words ill probably never see
even 天の川 appeared

>>144103719
>and a minority
No, you yourself admitted how overdiagnosed it is. If said people were a minority we wouldn't have this problem in the first place.

>>144104067
Just finished a gyaru nukige, waiting for senren banka.

>>144104169
Learn english. The minority is people who actively think ADHD is something other than a mental disorder.

>>144104114
options:
1) suspend them
2) switch to anon core 5k
3) stop adding new cards and only mine

>>144103848
You mean to learn words by Hiragana like preschool kids? I'm okay with this.

>>144104060
Thanks. I'm asking here because the guide din't help.

>>144104067
装甲悪鬼村正
(ＤＪＴの連中が読める物語ではない。)

>>144102709
Just found both, but the links to do it are both dead :/

>>144104410
You kidding right?
End your pathetic life.

Meanwhile people actually asking doubts are being ignored because you can't control your ASD.

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>>144103959

>>144104495
What are you talking about? I got tested for ASD, I don't have it. I have none of the expected symptoms. My only problem is a damaged temporal lobe.

>>144104265
>You mean to learn words by Hiragana like preschool kids? I'm okay with this.
I wouldn't recommend doing this in the long term. You will have to "relearn" the words with kanji later, and I consider that wasted time.

>>144104564
literally me

I dont want to study japanese for acouple days...

>>144098171
FUCK YOU

>>144098171
shouldnt that be a close up of arteezy

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>>144104675

>>144104265
Yes, you could start with that, then start reading kana-only material, like them. Like picture book, games for kids like pokemon or mother for example. Then start reading things for kids with a bit of kanji and furigana help, like shounen/shoujo manga or games for teens. And when you know enough words in kanji you could start reading stuff for normal adults. Of course you could take notes and shit while doing it, and skip things on these steps or shorten the duration since you have a brain bigger than a baby even if the difference is small.

>>144100600
カリフォルニア

>>144098171
could be referring to an icy road but I don't think that's how you'd say it

>>144104590
It's not wasting time if by learning you can read things outside of examples in textbooks in kana so you can understand grammar used in real media even if it's aimed toward kids.

>>144104923
歳・性別・場所

>>144105039
if by learning it*

They're still at it

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ケチャップって

なににかけてたべるとおいしいの？

>>144104603
I wish I was a depressed little girl instead of a depressed man in their mid 20s who hasn't achieved anything.

>>144105141
肉コロッケとかソーセージとかおいしいよ

>>144105141
姉の足指

>>144104860
Thank you ;_;
I think I will start with ぐりとぐら then

>>144105039
That's what I was thinking about that
I still have no idea how to grasp the concept of the sentences though, hopefully the pictures book will help a little

>>144105141
俺のソーセージ

舐めてみる？

>>144105027
I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable about the specific drugs to comment but there is clearly a culture of overreliance on them due to easiness despite the side effects.

The stuff taught in education, at least at elementary levels, is actually very useful. People need to read and write and do basic arithmetic, that's undeniable. And there's a lot learned through school structure unofficially, like socialising with the kids around you and following routines and the like.

That's not to say there isn't issues with the education system but it's easy to criticise and hard to fix, stuff that you consider useful others might laugh at (local history) and hard to show tangible results that show there's actually benefits without a testing regime, but that just means teachers teach to the tests instead of for the pupils. In practice it's almost impossible to implement.

>>144105250
everything will be daijoubu

>>144105625
>The stuff taught in education, at least at elementary levels, is actually very useful. People need to read and write and do basic arithmetic, that's undeniable.

That section of the rant was mostly about american middle and highschools, which have become so oriented on preparing students for standardized tests that it's insane.

Basic math. through basic geometry and "algebra 1", is very important. Trig could be taught better (don't start with triangles FFS) but it's important too. History is important but is so saturated with trivia that nobody remembers anything. English classes are a fucking joke, except for the parts where they force you to read (reading is good! reading is important! read, read, and read more!)

>And there's a lot learned through school structure unofficially, like socialising with the kids around you and following routines and the like.

In my opinion, the american school system is actually detrimental to natural socialization. The environment encourages castes and induces insecurity about your understanding of the social environment outside of your bubble, making you use your friends as an echo chamber. It reinforces the shittiness of society.

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>>144105250
dont worry, at the end of everyones life they die just the same and nothing they ever achieved will mean anything

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ソーセージって

たこさんにしておべんとうに入れるいがいに

どうやってたべるの

しかもケチャップ？

>>144105970
I should rewatch Nichijou sometime

>>144105970
そのたこはウィーナー
ソーセージはもっと太い

>>144105776
I agree standardised tests are a disaster and terrible for actually useful education. That's more a problem with the political system, since they like to be seen to doing something and so force these systems on the schools.

>The environment encourages castes and induces insecurity about your understanding of the social environment outside of your bubble
I don't live in America, what about their schools causes this? How are they different from our schools? People will naturally form groups of friends, but that's just human nature.

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>っつってた

Isn't っつ just という？Are they really saying といってといって twice here?

>>144106411
色々させるといってたし

>>144106455
>といってた
That's even shorter than っつってた though, what shity slang.

>>144106320
>>The environment encourages castes and induces insecurity about your understanding of the social environment outside of your bubble
>I don't live in America, what about their schools causes this? How are they different from our schools? People will naturally form groups of friends, but that's just human nature.

American schools shuffle kids around every single class and every single year and the only place you get to see all the same people is when classes aren't in session. People generally fall into castes, not circles of friends, because they see people who take classes at the same level (e.g. remedial math, advanced math) in several classes a day, then get to see those people and *their* friends when classes aren't in session (basically, just at lunch). And you can meet some of those people again in classes next year, but mostly not the ones you shared classes with before, because even if you're in the same class grade level their schedule will shove most of your old classmates into a different class.

You don't have the security of sticking with more than a couple specific friends, and you're absolutely surrounded with people you don't know well. That's very bad, sociologically speaking.

It wouldn't be so bad if there were a way to stay in the same class as your circle of friends like japanese schools do. Japanese schools have other problems though; they go off the deep end in the opposite direction.

Additionally, there's a strong authoritarian structure, and it makes people group together to keep their spines straight.

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>>144106523
つってん言葉はよくでてくるよ

おきゃんことばでも、おとこことばでもつかえるから

ききとれるようにAnkiしよう

>>144106573
This isn't true at all and it sounds like you're just trying to justify a lack of friends in high school, man.

Like if you felt this victimized by the American public school system, you clearly need special attention, as this is far outside the bounds of what nearly everyone else in the same situation has experienced.

>>144106961
>it sounds like you're just trying to justify a lack of friends in high school, man.
Nice projection anon.

>Like if you felt this victimized by the American public school system, you clearly need special attention, as this is far outside the bounds of what nearly everyone else in the same situation has experienced.
What I described feel wrong to the people that experience it. But it does encourage toxic behavior.

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The political/business section of 6k is kicking my fucking ass right now. This shit's dropping my percentages and killing my motivation.

At what point should I consider suspending cards for later learning, if at all?

>>144107021
le install true retention

im really high right now, cab I still learn then kap language?

>>144107021
This is pretty ridiculous. You should average 10 cards/minute and never drop below 90%, you're clearly either doing too much or doing it inefficiently if you're wasting so much time.

Lower the number of new cards to something manageable, get into the groove of Anki again and work your way back up, because the rate you're going now, you're losing more than you're gaining.

>>144107085
8

>>144106997
>What I described feel wrong
what I described doesn't feel wrong*

What is いきのも?

>>144106997
>But it does encourage toxic behavior
American kids are poisonous?

Take your meme words back to /v/ and reddit

>>144106573
I'm not sure I see the difference. Our schools keep similar classes through to high school before shuffling per subject, and then you still get to be with friends sometimes and during breaks. You call it castes because they're people in the same classes you get to know, but they're still friends you hang out with, so where's the issue?

There is an argument for consistent classes but there are also clear advantages to streaming them, since you get students learning at roughly the same pace, instead of some bored as shit and some super confused.

>>144107227
You heard something wrong

いっきのみ？

>>144107249
>You call it castes because they're people in the same classes you get to know, but they're still friends you hang out with
This is why I said he sounds like a guy who has no friends.

Normal people can make friends with their classmates. There's no reason to feel like your childhood friends are the only ones you should have, and being traumatically separated from them through education is a reason to damn the entire system.

There are plenty of ways the system is flawed, but that's hardly one of them.

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>>144107308

>>144107382
Typo of いきもの?

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>>144107436
It seems intentional?

>>144107382
What chapter and page is that?
I read it all and didn't notice that

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>>144107487
>サバンナの生き物

だよ。がんばっておにいちゃん

>>144107541
Since when is 物 read のも?

>>144107480
>>144107541
I think it's just poking fun at how kid's make mistakes with their own language.

/jpt/ saying Yostuba is beginner friendly is a joke when it comes to stuff like this though.

>>144107249
>You call it castes because they're people in the same classes you get to know, but they're still friends you hang out with, so where's the issue?
Do you know how castes in india etc work? If you don't I can come up with another way to describe the difference.
>>144107378
Stop. I never had any problems with the people I hung out with.

>mfw can read VNs fast as fuck now
I just tried reading one after not bothering for a while. Suddenly they aren't as slow or boring

>>144107378
>implying most people have childhood friends

>>144107770
Neah I can read them fast and most are still boring

>>144107487
It's ch65 Yotsuba and Jumbo

>>144107672
But it is pretty easy. I'm just surprised that Jumbo didn't correct her since Yotsuba usually gets corrected when she says something weird and it happened more than once.

>>144107947
Do you mean having friends during childhood or having friends that you were friends with during childhood?

>>144108088
i mean having friends that you were friends with during childhood

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>>144107021
I can't understand Japanese at all except as a string of barely recognizable vocabulary words and these are my stats today, 4k words into 6k.

You really are doing something wrong.

>>144107760
>Stop. I never had any problems with the people I hung out with.
Sure, but I imagine you had problems with the people you were forced to be around.

>>144107947
I used to spend hours every night photoshoping myself having sex with 2D anime renders just so I could get attention online to make up for the hole I felt in my heart due to years of loneliness, and even I had childhood friends.

>>144108130
>Sure, but I imagine you had problems with the people you were forced to be around.
Nah, I had problems with how the people around me treated eachother. There were a couple people I hated but I wasn't upset that they were near me, I was upset about how they treated eachother.

Where am I supposed to learn things like ゆ = 言う?

>>144108321
that vs that (thaet vs thet)
言う vs 言う (いう vs ゆう)

>>144108321
By having listened to what japanese sounds like more than once in your life

>>144108130
Was shit like >>144092906 common when you just started?

>>144108740
No. There neither is nor was ever any reason to use Anki for two hours a day, period. That's an inefficient use of time. Cap reviews off at 300 and new words off at 20-25, or you're just gonna get incredibly diminished returns.

The dude should shadow the sentences, write the kanji down and look them up on jisho for reinforcement. I honestly think those stats mean you're losing more than you're gaining - at that point, overexposure is more harmful than anything.

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>skip core2k reps for 2 weeks
>finally decide to start doing them again
>71.4% retention, and 84.5% for mature cards
why didn't anyone tell me not learning japanese was an effective method of learning japanese

>>144108944
Now you're going to set your lapse interval to two days instead of one day and have your reviews cut nearly in half.

what's a good text hooker for an old game like yu-no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw

If you can understand this with no subs you're N1.

>>144109853
well memed

>>144109890
>Implying it's not true.

>>144109957
nice memetext dude

>>144109221
Knowing Japanese.

>>144109976
>Implying I need your compliments, b-baka

shid I hit the first significant-seeming choice in leyline and I can't read it and it won't texthook

it's choice 7 or so; it's the second day or something and the girl is talking about ghosts and stuff. there's three choices and they end in る う す from top to botton

I can't post a screenshot because my VN PC doesn't have an internet connection

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>>144109853
>>144109890

>>144110062
Why are you "reading" VNs you can't read, you shitty weeaboo?

>>144110059
I think you're on the wrong board

>>144110085
Why not

>>144110062
just use a walkthrough silly

>>144110147
I don't want to know how far I am so I can maintain an illusion of competence to myself

>>144110166
I just looked. You're not even remotely close to the end.

>>144110252
I know that, but I don't want to know how small each step I take is.

>>144110166
This is a good idea, using a walkthrough is for idiots who are too dumb to figure out a VN for themselves.

Have you tried radical search on Jisho or google translate handwriting to look up the kanji?

>>144110444
Not yet, I was just complaining that I ran into a minor difficulty and hoped someone would spoonfeed me the plaintext of the options without asking for it, but I'm just going to manually look up the characters now

>>144110444
Nobody is too dumb to trial and error choices but it's not worth the time to redo stuff to get to the route you want especially when some VNs have shitty skip mechanisms

>>144110521
What I did when I was full EOP reading shitty translations was play through to a "real end" at least once, then look up the other routes. I would get onto each route with the walkthrough but not use it inside the routes until I beat each route at least once. If a given route has more than one ending I would consult the walkthrough for that particular route to get the other endings.

>>144110490
Fucking lazy EOP

>>144110521
Exactly. You're too dumb to understand the choices and the implications behind them based off context and figure it out like most people can, so you have to trial and error your way through them. Thanks for proving my point.

>>144110571
He's not me, senpai, just dome idiot.

>>144110571
You clearly haven't played very many VNs.

It's also not like most VNs have interesting enough choices for it to add to the experience

>>144110490
It's worthwhile learning to use radical search on Jisho. It's actually really quick once you get used to it, it helps you pay attention to radicals when learning new kanji which in turn helps with remembering them, and for someone who hasn't done specific radical study it's a far more practical substitute for that.

>>144110667
I actually played through the first two entire choices without a texthooker at all, using nothing but the sljfaq kanji lookup and handcrafting a dictionary suited for that early point in the game.

>>144110658
I think it's clear you're the one who hasn't played many VNs here if you need a walkthrough or trial-and-error to play through your average VN. There are a few difficult ones but the vast majority I can go right through without any need for trial-and-error and finish easily.

>>144110734
It only takes one failure to decide that the pride of choosing your own destiny is not worth the possible wasted time. It also saves skip time even if you accurately get on the correct routes, because you get to save just before the split at the last possible moment.

You nerds really need to find something more interesting to feel superior about. Like try getting good at japanese so you can brag about that or something.

>>144085597
Anyone have the original version of this chart?

>>144111068
Yeah just ignore the parts that are obviously about DJT and that's the original version

>>144111068
Here is a better version:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OaNWAM_U_27uSQUK2oj6OA0OKzDVWyzWSuaFtzzX_Ig/edit?usp=sharing

>>144111273
>>144111448
Thanks.

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So why do you guys like this girl so much?

>>144112103
ぞい

>>144112103
She's young. A hard worker. Speaks in easy verses. Cute. Twintails. Has a great life. Has great friends. Achieved her dreams.

>>144112317
全部強姦に関係ないじゃん

>>144112411
Not that anon, but I wanted to say that the problem was never with the system in my opinion anyways. It was with the people under the system. They just aren't as hard working anymore because they're the new generation and do not understand failure is necessary. Rote-memorization works fairly well, can't go wrong with it, only can go wrong if people don't want to do it, but it builds discipline and discipline is the fastest track to improvement. Creative thought is just stupid, it's almost like you're pushing to drag people's attention, which you are because people these days can't focus for some reason. It might because of how information is blatant everywhere, but focus must be learned and the system can only enforce that by giving you opportunities in which you use focus. Discipline and focus are the key components to success and with those you can go far enough to build any other skill. The people who do not have those are likely a majority. After all, it's a guaranteed path to success, I believe, and the only person hold you back is yourself.

>>144112676
Rote memorization is good but the american education system institutes lot of useless memorization.

>>144112721
Have any examples? I, for one, can't really think of any. Of course, this is now, back then, I feel like every student was a rebel against the system and thought they were better than it which lead to them deciding certain things were useless or pointless. If people just followed along, it would pay off, but life is so distracting.

>>144112859
How much of your highschool education was it actually worth memorizing?

>>144112917
Well, that's a difficult question to answer since I can only remember what I remember. I would say it was all worth memorizing though for a certain reason that may not be agreeable with everyone. There also happened to be a part to the education system that disrupts your focus and therefore splits it. That can be friends, other interests, etc. But if you focused solely on education, you would know all of the building blocks to everything in life. A foundation of which you can build every other piece of information on. School is an important moment of life because of this. By having a strong foundation, it's likely to come with everything else good such as habits, thinking, etc. because it means that person would have to struggle with their own self until they also learned about their best self. With that, a person can go on to anything they want much easier because they have focused on the most important skills, the basics. The basics are definitely boring, hard and long, however, in the long run, they are essential.

>>144113275
what's the name of that syndrome for having sympathy for things that abuse you again

>>144113305
Stockholm syndrome?

>>144113326
yeah that

>>144113337
I have conflicting values on everything anyways, so it's not hard for me to sympathize with everything to some extent.

>>144112676
The system is meant to be changed to reflect the people under it. That's how it was intended, at least, and how it should be treated unless you're looking for totalitarianism. Keep it in /pol/.

>Creative thought is just stupid
Write something less laughable if you want to be heard. Even "creative thought is overvalued" would go over better than this shit.
Either way, I don't think it's useless or overvalued. Creative thought is the driving force behind any sort of unique personal quality that might set you apart from a manual worker. It's the driving force behind the middle class, which is where the standard k-12 + college track is going to put you, in theory.
For the record, it can only put you there because it DOES teach creative thinking through important skills like writing, reading, and math. You really can't apply rote memorization to those.
All the focus on rote memorization is frankly bullshit, and only exists because it's reinforced by the children going through the system due to societal pressure to get good grades. Because everybody is being pressured into it, everybody has to be able to do it, and so the system sticks with memorization. Anyone can memorize.
But focus and discipline can only go so far. On top of that, excessive focus and discipline are only going to become useful in doing more rote memorization. It's a short circuit.

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>>144112103
shes cute and earnest
whats not to like

>>144085597
Use that chart and you're fucked.

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>>144112103
犯しやすい

>>144113720
You chatting shit about the all powerful all encompassing kanji grid generously bestowed upon us by kanji grid man-sama

>>144113720
冒涜発言は一切許さん

>>144113534
I think individuality is seen too much as a need to the people nowadays. It allows a person to stand out from the crowd, but that's not important in majority of cases. Just do your job and all is fine with the world. You can't apply individuality to everything, if you did, there would be disorder and chaos. Manual workers are and will always be a necessity. Hopefully people who take those kind of jobs will know that individuality isn't important. You're a grunt worker. Act like one and work will be done. Don't go against the system. That halts progress and potentially wastes time. I know that the education system does focus on creative thought because it could potentially lead to breakthroughs and therefore propel the world exponentially in speed, but that was unfortunately a huge risk to be taking. If everyone was possible of an inventive thought, that would be a miraculous future. The results were not that though. Of course, I can also see that this system was just to really weed out the weak and build the strong. A win-win system. The winners keep winning and the loser keep losing. This way, those who had the potential would be found, but those who didn't would take a blow for the greater good, for the winners. With those who had potential moving on, the future at least could have more breakthroughs than it did before, but this is destructive to the system of building a foundation since it tried to apply advanced concepts before the basics were fully built. Now, creative thought, an advanced concept? Yes. You should be a mindless grunt worker through education since it's already filled with the necessities. You don't need creative thought to be leading you astray from everyone else and building individuality. That will lead to disaster. That's like trying to have everyone be a leader. Rote memorization at least has everyone on equal playing fields and those who out achieve will move on naturally. A focus on the core is more important than creativity.

>>144114375
長すぎる；読まなかったｗ

>>144114375
なげーよ死ね

>>144114375
t. retarded functional illiterate

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>>144114254
ぼうとくって

どうして冒「徳」ってかかないのかなと

あのんくんたちおもわない？

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>>144077944
Wrong, the correct answer was アルコール

Kanji games are fucking hard

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>>144115611
Maybe you can solve the first question, it's a bit easier, but you only have 10 seconds per question!

>>144115690
4

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>>144115773
too bad, didn't you study your kanji anon?

>>144115828
へ。。。
たぶん

>>144114375
format your writing better, and learn english before you post in english please

>Manual workers are and will always be a necessity
everything a manual worker does can be (and often is) automated
that's essentially what it means to be a manual worker, a man with no apparent skill or attribute that can set him apart from any other man and get him a job in the middle class world

education is not a system to teach what you think are the "fundamentals"
you don't need education to teach somebody to be a grunt worker and you don't need education to be one
apart from that rote memorization doesn't teach jack shit and is a disposable piece of any school curriculum
that pointless grade-centric system stops once you reach higher education and this is reflected in that higher education is the only form of education that can raise your socioeconomic status
higher education has the capacity to give you actual skills: what you refer to as the "core" doesn't actually exist in practice and your version of "discipline" can be taught through a firm slap on the buttocks and doesn't require a rigorous k-12

anyway it's pretty clear you're missing something vital here, like the realization that self-actualization is the only thing that matters to being a human and everything else is just an effort to keep climbing the ladder so that one might eventually reach that step

>>144115828
no

>>144115341
「徳」って特別文字？

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ういっすルーザーズたち

ボクのことを忘れましたか

日本語のマスターに進化した人いますか爆笑

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aRKpH3K_I

>>144116754
まだ自殺してないかよ

Is it not advisable to work in Japan (Tokyo specifically) for a foreign company even with fluent Japanese due to the high living costs around that area?

>>144115977
So, nobody in djt actually knows basic Japanese?

>>144116963
Atary mai da row

>>144116963
nope, only imouto

>>144116846
調子はどうだバカ言ってるヤツちゃん爆笑

>彼女は私と分からなかったようだ
>She didn't appear to recognize me.

Why is it と分からない? Shouldn't it be が or something?

>>144115690
羽, as you do with birds.