Macross Delta

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There she is!

>If there was no order to drop a dimensional bomb somewhere, a VF-22 wouldn't be equipped with one.

NUNS guys hates Hayate's father for a reason which leads me to believe that bomb dropping in that place hasn't been an order by NUNS.

>>143966575
If Hayate's dad = windy nuker then I don't see any way that she'll lose the triangle.

They'll follow in Max/Milia footsteps as the couple who, despite all odds, manage to bridge the gap between species and lead them into a new era of peace.

Whats happened to Keith? Hes like a possessed man when he flies now

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>>143966561
But Arad mentioned his father few times and there was no sign of hate, despite or anything like that. He wouldn't say something like this if Hayate's dad did something really bad. I bet Hayate's father was just a deserter.

>>143966652
Go away, /jp/.

>>143966675
The Bomb killed both sides remember

>>143966729
Losing an eye to those flithy earthlings who, btw, killed your father, does wonders.

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>>143966575
I concur!

It was Gamlin who dropped the bomb

>>143966575
>still watching this garbage

Just sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDJut50TzmQ&feature=youtu.be
Posting the new op here too.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0VDL0ChsUI

Lets cry now.

>>143966749
Or maybe Arad is the bigger man and realises that sins of father /= sins of son.

Isn't VF-22 more advanced fighter than VF-171? I'm not /m/ expert, but in pure numbers 22 > 17. Why would NUNS use worse fighters than they used 7 years ago?

>- How is Mikumo's VA only 15? Where is she hiding that voice?? But I wish she'd emote more. Especially if she'll be doing lives.

She is pretty young and probably really really nervous.

>>143966884
Since when is 171 < 22?

>>143966888
No only her singing voice is 15

>>143966884
Moneyz

>>143966915
171 is just 17.1. I.e. VF-171 is a modification of VF-17

I hope the OP visual is not finished.

>>143966749
It could have been a case that the bomb got put on Hayate's dad VF without his knowledge and he didn't realize what type of bomb it was which then lead to a scenario where he was forced to drop it.

>>143966700
Eh, it'd be quite different from those two still. Max and Milia were in situations where they tried to kill each other due to being on opposite sides of combating forces, but there was no real emotional gulf between them other than Milia's hurt pride.

Freyja and Hayate on the other hand are two people who hit it off really well from early on and have great relationship. That said, I can totally see it go this way, and I'm not sure I could avoid feeling cheated if it didn't.

>>143967003
Oh yes, let's blame it on NUNS comands.

>>143965831
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DDJut50TzmQ
(C/Ping here since I posted right at the tail of the previous thread.)

Watched it a few times. I like the first OP more, but I like this one's PV better. It looks better produced and I think it did a better job of helping me differentiate the VAs (probably because I'm more familiar with the characters now?)

- Freya's VA is cute! CUTE! She's smiling through most of this, and she's adorable.
- Makimaki's VA's expressions are surprisingly sultry (see 0:42, then the "squeeze me" at 0:53! 2lewd) I... I love it
- How is Mikumo's VA only 15? Where is she hiding that voice?? But I wish she'd emote more. Especially if/when she performs live.
- Reina's VA's voice is really nice and I wish she had more lines in songs where it's just her? If not a solo, or one with her as the center.
- Kaname's VA needs more solo songs too, does she have previous noteworthy work? (rhetorical question, I'm gonna look it up after posting this)

Hayate will be forced to drop abomb too

>>143966966
Programmer logic doesn't apply to fighter designations. The F-10 was not a precursor design to the F-104, for example.

>>143966884
The VF-22 is expensive and does not have any versatility and is thus reserved for special forces like the VF-19.

>>143966588
yeah, he's dead man walking now

>>143967003
If that is the case, then he could have had a 'christ what the hell have I done moment' and killed himself by crashing the VF-22.

That's the fire which Freyja is looking at in her flashbacks.

>>143966700
>>143967017
I don't really like if Freyja wins by that, but i can see that happen.

>>143966973
Still remember Aquarion EVOL?

>>143967041
Well NUNS high command has never been portrayed in a positive light, but given that NUNS forces died during the bombing as well then it might be a unrevealed third party.

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Bogue only mentions three of his sisters. The other two must be alive, then.

Ranka 2.0

>>143967113
>unrevealed
The most suspicious faction is the group helping Winderemere with their research on the ruins.

>>143967113
It's not like NUNS commands have a problem with nuking their own soldiers.

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Sup Windies

>>143967017
>Fuckyou Hayate!! Your dad bomb my home.
Das it

>>143967091
>Wins by that
You make it sound like his father having dropped the bomb would help their relationship. The fact is that the situation makes it so that an eventual relationship between the two will come off as stronger if it does so despite outside circumstances wanting to put them at odds with one another.

>>143967188
>their lives are literally 2 fast 2 furious

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>>143966575
Literally Ranka 2.0. People are still denying that?

>>143967223
It's anime, so it helps them, not destroy.

>>143967242
Alto best Macross girl

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Beautiful.

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you will never kiss your qt girlfriends rune

>>143967242
Yes, because Freyja isn't as cute as Ranka was.

>>143967242
I prefer Ranka's singing voice tbqh.

>>143967157
You mean the Epsilon foundation?

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>They didn't kiss
I'm so jelly right now.

>>143967242
Freyja lacks the green hair aspect, so she could be an apology to the loli-fetishists by letting the shorty win this time.

Why does he hate green hair again?

>>143967405
soon

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HayaFre confirmed?

>>143967094
Or any of Kawamori's shows, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEH_FgqO7k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zj44DXcY5s
https://vimeo.com/80738911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kexAkVkwYs0 (admittedly it's not as bad here)

To be honest it doesn'tmake much sense for any of the parties to drop the bomb.

NUNS hit its own forces and lost the war because of it. And it couldn't be part of some experiment because Windermerian ruins are intact and far away from epicentre.
Windies would not nuke their citizens.
As for the third party (Epsilon?) it was extremely risky plan. They had to make it so NUNS would think windies did it and vice-versa. And then they could never be sure that Windies would go for revenge war.

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Satelight is not letting go of this shot

I bet they paid the key animator a cup of ramen, the jews

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NICE JOB, KAWAMORI!

>>143967405
>>143967452
Mirage is literally who in both the OP and ED.

RIP Miragefags.

>>143967518
Holy shit they're beautiful. Debut when???

>>143967504
Could be that the pilot of the VF-22 is actually one of Epsilons, posing as a NUNS.

>>143967504
>And it couldn't be part of some experiment because Windermerian ruins are intact and far away from epicentre.
They mentioned a failure 7 years ago.

Could the "failure" be Hayate's dad going against orders from his higher ups and dropping the bomb somewhere else?

>>143967518
This looks like it was drawn by Risa Ebata.

>>143967486
I am going to guess that Kawamori thinks it is a waste of resources to make new animation for a new op.

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Mirage why u cry?

>>143966749
Arad wasn't referring to his Hayate's father that time because gg took liberties with the translation.

>>143967486
>>143967514
I don't understand. Why do new and risky shows (like for example Kiznaiver) have higher production costs than Delta? It's Macross, it will sell no matter what. Why is Satelight so poor? Why are Bamco so jews and they didn't give them more money?

>>143967575
Tons of NUNS and windermere civilians died at the location it WAS dropped.

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Mirage in the bg. T'was the moment she realized she'd lost.

>>143967617
Who was he resembling then? I know I was one of the pushing for the correct translation of this particular line. But from the very start I also acknowledged it being the most likely outcome anyway, and lo' and behold, we've gotten a lot of mentions of the father, and then, now finally even a name.

So again, who else could this line have been about?

>>143967640
I think it is all just a scheduling thing and Kawamori doesn't see a point to dedicating time to making a new OP when they can be focusing on the episodes instead.

>first time Heinz sings with joy and not sadness
>Keith even more overpower than ever
Brothers strong.

>>143967504
>They had to make it so NUNS would think windies did it and vice-versa
And they apparently succeeded.

I assume the VF-22 that dropped the bomb was flying really far away from anyone else and it wasn't operating under the same orders as the others.
NUNS forces saw the explosion in the distance, goes "Fucking hell, they nuked themselves?".
Windies saw the explosion and goes "Fucking NUNS nuked us!".


>>143967641
And that's the problem.
The dropping of the bomb does not benefit any faction.

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jesus christ mirage at least try to look a bit happy.

>>143967518
Those outfits are amazing

>>143967518
ReiRei a cool

>>143967641
IF the bomb way dropped on the ruins then, as we saw on Ragna, we'd have the big fallout from the ruins been destroyed + devastation from the dimensional weapon to deal with.

True dropping the bomb elsewhere killed many people, but the total was probably less than what would have been if he got a ruin bullseye.

Lesser of the two evils.

>>143967535
Miragefags don't really care about triangle anymore though, because say if she wins with current status, many people will label her as one of worst character in Macross series since she never did anything worth for us to remember.

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The bomb dropped on Windemere looked very similar to the one used halfway through Frontier. Not nearly as devastating though.

>>143967765
Same shit, different scale.

>>143966884
Yep. That's why the F-104 is a much better fighter than the F-22

Meanwhile there's a lot of a shit talk about this episode on 2ch.

>>143967735
What you expect when they just reuse the visuals, i mean Mirage almost never smile in the show.

>>143967058
In this case though a VF-171 is based off of the original VF-17.

But it was substantially modified for grunt-VF work

>>143967755
Makes no sense. Why would he go against orders to commit mass murder, to still just commit mass murder of civilians as well as allies.

>>143967845
Really? What the hell are they saying?

>>143967761
She would be still better than Silvie.

>>143967697
>So again, who else could this line have been about?
It could have been someone else entirely who Arad is familiar with. Arad has shown no sign that he personally knows Hayate's father else he would treated him differently.

>>143967875
>Silvie
Eh, she got much better once she finally dropped the brocon shtick.

>>143967873
Maybe his hands were tied for some weirdass reason.

We don't have enough info to know anything conclusive right now.

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RATE THE NEW OPENING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RunHDmp3ASw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RunHDmp3ASw

RATE THE NEW OPENING

>>143967848
But she has and they could've easily used one of her smiling. The new OP all around just fucked her over.

>>143967904
>Arad has shown no sign that he personally knows Hayate's father else he would treated him differently.
Except that Arad picked him from the street and made him one of the pilots despite protests from Messer and Mirage?

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>>143966575
CUTEST

>>143967123
Milla-neesama
Anne-neesama
Elle-nee
I guess Elle would be around Bogue's age when she died.

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Keith doesn't look very happy about Roid's plan of conquering the galaxy

>>143967960
At least she smile in thumb up scene.

>>143967874
Other than the disappointment in the new op, the issue is that the Windermerian side isn't interesting and while the series composer and director said they were going to develop everyone, it is looking pretty superficial.

>>143967904
Really grasping now. He speaks knowingly to himself that Hayate has a fate with Windermere, and in the end, the rescued guy clearly knew both him and Arad.

Yes sure, they can introduce that he was actually talking about uncle Benjamin instead. But come on, really?

>>143967958
Song is good, visually hope it's not finished(yes i know Aqualion, i know MF OP2, but at least both put more hearts when they making "MAD" OP2).

>>143967960
Kawamori probably doesn't care for Mirage in the slightest because she is quickly becoming another Zessica. There is really no point in bitching about it because Kawamori's heroine favoritism is never going to change.

>>143967845
In twitter it's mostly positive. People wishing happiness for Heinz and Bogue and listening to sad songs.

>>143967958
Like with the ED, it's growing on me with repeated viewings.

>>143967960
Because everytime she smiles, mostly are just forced smile.
Her heart never actually smiles.

>>143968024
I have seen people praising Kabaneri's last episode on twitter, it doesn't mean much. Then again 2ch doesn't mean much either. It's hard to gauge what the real viewer response is.

>>143967995
He doesn't like flying away from Windermere

The theory that windies die young because of using their fold receptor abilities might be true. Herman is already over estimate, maybe because he's lost a rune, and he's always telling Bogue to contain his hairboners.

>>143968018
I really hate some of keep comparing Delta's character to old Kawamori shows character, like Freyja to Ranka, Mirage to Zessica etc, seriously just fuck off with this stupid comparison.

>>143967971
>Except that Arad picked him from the street and made him one of the pilots despite protests from Messer and Mirage?
That's because he saw Hayate's potential to a good pilot as he was impressed in his performance in actual combat despite not having formal training. If Arad personally knew Hayate's father he would've taken responsibility for him and not let Messer do the dirty work in his behalf.

>>143967958
Visuals: 0/10, Niconico fan video tier
Music: quite tame and lacks punch, 6/10

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>>143968018
>another Zessica
>going to steal a very emotional kissu from Hayate, only to lose miserably in the end

>>143968136
King was over 35 and a rune jedi master. It doesn't fit.

>>143967046
>- How is Mikumo's VA only 15? Where is she hiding that voice?? But I wish she'd emote more. Especially if/when she performs live.
Her singing voice Junna is 15 but normal lines are by Kallen/Ryouko/Korbo

>>143967958
Song is fine, but the visuals are so lazy that I just can't care about it.

OP was pretty average. I guess many of us were expecting something Lion-tier.

>>143967995
No one other than the underage trio does. And people thought Roid was the reasonable one, he's acting like a retard with his "muh protoculture empire" bullshit.

>>143967999
Well they're obviously not gonna develop EVERY single person in the series.

Ones who're gonna get the development: Hayate, Freyja, Mikumo, Keith, Roid, Herman (before he dies)

Maybe get some: Mirage, Heinz, Bogue

Get none: Everyone else.

>>143968136
I think he's only telling Bogue that because he's always acting like a bitchy child.

>>143968285
Speaking of, /a/ sings Ichido dake when?

>>143967995
The entire plan is going to put even more strain on Heinz so of course Keith isn't happy about it.

>>143968323
First few episodes:
>Roid is evil, look a tthat smile, look at those glasses

End of the 1st cour
>It was a bait, Roid is actually good, he wants to stop the war and he cares about Heinz

Now:
>Ehh... I guess Roid is indeed evil

>>143968225
Kings don't have to physically strain themselves and get all the best food and medical care. Herman is an active pilot and still in good health.

>>143968395
Role reversal, up until now Roid was worried about Heinz, while Keith was "no, you sing the cancer song".

Herman mentions that he has two grandchildren on the way, Cassim has a six-year old son and Theo (blue twin) has a fiancee.

>>143968225
Nah king was on his last legs from the very beginning, whereas Herman is still going pretty strong.

>>143968469
He has a second grind child on the way.

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>>143968395
It's not like Keith cared about putting more strain on Heinz before that.

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OP wasn't very OP like

Roid still loves his idols though, that hasn't changed

>>143968442
>>143968395
>>143968395

Keith's probably pissy because they're GOT what he was gunning and what he justified and risking Heinz for (NUNS BTFO from the cluster)

Now, in his eyes, Roid is just reaching with this protoculture empire thing and putting Heinz under unecessary strain to do so.

>>143968570
A Mikumofag through and through.
A++ taste

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So I can guess what happened

War was happening and Hayate dad (was it Right/Raito Immelmann?) likely met Freyja and gave her the music player

Now here's where I figure there are two options, either
-Hayate dad was ordered to drop the bomb, likely on Windies' ruins, but doesn't and drops it somewhere else
-Or Hayate dad was full on soldier ready to drop the bomb but then the Freyja encounter happens and he decides not to

Hayate dad is blamed for doing everything wrong as shown by NUNS guys' distaste for the name Immelmann. It would be really fucking dark for the show, but he was probably court-martialed as a lame duck and maybe killed. Arad, who also sympathized with the Windies, finds Hayate by conicidence because destiny and shit and that's how everything from episode 1 happens. Freyja wins the bowl.


Of course, this all assumes Hayate's dad is the one who dropped the bomb in the first place, but there's no reason to have all this mystery if it wasn't for something dramatic like that. Also, this ties into what Arad said earlier about how Windermere and Hayate are linked

If Freyja wins I'm gonna kill myself on camera

>>143967518
Those are the outfits from when Freyja was talking about the previous singers in episode 4 I think

>>143968681
Will they really have Hayate's dad be the one who dropped the bomb? I'm trying to find a guy who would kill millions of people sympathetic but I seriously can't.

>>143968681
>and drops it somewhere else
No, this is completely retarded. If you don't want to drop the bomb you just don't drop it at all.

>>143968681
Totally agree

But I'm thinking he either got court martialed OR was in so much guilt after dropping the bomb that he comitted sudoku by crashing his plane.

If it's the latter, then the downed plane is the fiery ruin which Freyja was looking at in her flashback.

Alternatively, he refused to drop the bomb, and was forced to later.

Or he got hit with a case of natural Var and dropped the bomb anyway.

>>143968717
I'm excited.

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He and the twins are so dead

>>143968774
It's not like it truly reflects on Hayate anyway. And we don't know how it went down.

>>143968774
We don't know the fully story yet and probably won't get what really happened until sometime in the twenties.

>>143968790
The bomb could have been automated to drop or explode after a certain amount of time or he could have been forced into a situation that caused the bomb to drop

>>143968871
He's the only sympathetic windamere though aside from Herman.

>>143968871
Herman even more so.

>>143968871
He, Herman and engaged twin are dead morelike. All leaving behind loved ones for max tragedy.

>>143967486
>(admittedly it's not as bad here)
It's the same though. They just disguise it a little better with filters and stuff

>OP and ED animation is made by one guy
>the whole ED (composition, CG, animation) is a one man job
Maximum cost-cutting, it's not a matter of schedule, Satelight deliberately chose to fuck this up for the money.

The VF-22 could be a ruse and the bomb was planted on the ground. We just don't know. Next episode already, please?

>>143968944
>Thinking putting one man on the OP doesn't help the schedule.
Seriously.

>>143968018
>because she is quickly becoming another Zessica.
There isn't nearly enough focus on romance in Delta for that to be an apt comparison. Cut that shit out.

>>143966849
Now, this is an OP.

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I really don't like the new OP and ED

>>143968790
It's possible that he physically was incapable of not doing it like the bomb was timed to go off or if he didn't do it, they would threaten his family. There's a lot of reasons

>>143968944
Yeah but the second OP being made up of 90% previous footage has been around since Genesis of Aquarion

MIRAGEFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>143969091
Been there through that as Frontier and Aquarion Evol livestream veteran.

It's just Kawamori thing to have shitty 2nd OP with MAD quality animation. Lion is an exception tho.

>>143969178
Lion is literally the same. It's reused animation all over the place. Only new things it are stills.

>>143968218
sasuga Kawamori

And to think that all this shit could have been avoided if fucking NUNS retreated from Windermere when Windermere told them to fuck off from their planet.

>>143966575
Freya wears the oficial uniforme of a loser

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>>143969091
That's Kawamori for you. He always use reused animation in OP 2 since genesis

Aquarion OP2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNAZ_7mxIuI

Aquarion EVOL OP2
https://vimeo.com/80681958

Frontier OP2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qWnDqeXMhA

>>143969178
>Lion is an exception tho.
No it's not. It's 90% reused footage like the rest of the OP2s

>>143967958
It's pretty shit.

>>143969436
Also AKB0048 OP2.

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Oh look, once they're in space, they use Battroid mode, JUST LIKE I'VE BEEN FUCKING SAYING THIS WHOLE TIME

>>143969261
NUN invested shitton of money into Windermere. Of course they would not want to get the fuck out and lose billions of space dollars they spent on infrastructure, buildings, factories, research centers, etc.

>>143969436
At least they put more hearts in Lion, and Delta OP2's tone also seems not really fit for second half of Delta.

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I want to say this is bait like in OP1 but

>Mirage fades out with the sync rates in the background

I mean come on

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>>143969486
Almost forget he did that series too.

Haven't watched that show yet because I used to hate idolshit, ironically here I am a Kumofag now.

>>143969615
If this really a bait at least just let them kiss. Damn

>>143969615
Reminder that triangle doesn't need to be equal.

>>143969666
Do it.

AKB0048 is pretty much a test run for Delta.

>>143969615
OP animator is a Freyjafag, no one was bothered to sign-off that excuse of an OP

>>143969615
Heck even Lion has roughly equal amounts of both girls in it.

Here Mirage is practically a non-entity.

>>143969711
Because Ranka and Sheryl were both main characters. Mirage is a literally who.

>>143969666
Give it a shot. I still can't get into other idol shows at all, and 0048 is one of my all-time favorites.

>>143969615
>>143969711
>Mirage lives up to her name

poetry

>>143969666
You have to watch it. It is a lot better than it looks like at first glance.

>>143969557
I hope the guy who gave the order to go to war is still alive and can pay for his crimes.

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>>143969615
why is this allowed

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I think this is the Con-Vaart residence.

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I also think Mikumo getting overlaid over the title is indicating something to

>>143969699
Never really said otherwise

>>143967958
no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDJut50TzmQ

Starting to like OP2 now after a couple more listens. It sounds like something I would hear in Persona

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>>143969824
>I hope the guy who gave the order to go to war is still alive and can pay for his crimes.
Dude, he died in episode 13.

>>143969705
>>143969753
>>143969796
Alright thanks, I'll watch it. Love live and its fanbase made me really hate idol shows.

>>143969666
I can't handle all this kumo

>>143969877
She's defo gonna be the one to send the plot into endgame. All that SHINPI can't be for nothing.

>>143969947
I understand, but remember 0048 is a Kawamori show first and foremost

>>143969825
I don't even know why you bother advertising a triangle when it is so lopsided and how the sponsors can be happy with this result since Kawamori always pulls the same stunt.

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>>143969956
Unfortunately no man can handle Mikumo

Is it ok to hope for mastah herman to live through the war? i like him

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For what purpose?

>>143969916
Same here! the beginning especially reminds me of Persona.

>Mentor
>Already living on borrowed time
>Mentioned his family this episode

I'm so sorry anon

>>143969924
I mean the NUNShit bastard who gave the order to start hostilities against Windermere.

>>143970001
Worked for Zero

>>143970072

>>143970023 Nah he's doomed.

>>143970001
Meh, it's not about triangle anymore, it just Mirage won't getting any personal development, and if she "won" Hayatebowl with zero development, she will "lose" even more than getting development but lose Hayatebowl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qWnDqeXMhA

stilll rule

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Hmm. All this talk about Hayate's dad, I haven't seen a "he's secretly Freyja's father" post yet

>>143970076
Do you know how wars for independence work? Rebels are the one who start hostilities.

>>143970170
Because he's secretly Mirage's father.

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>>143970076
And then Windemere is the baddies now. It's like you're defending what nazi did in WW2 because the allies bullied them in WW1.

pic related
>Are we the baddies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

>>143970137
>Meh, it's not about triangle anymore
Was it ever truly in the first place? I mean, really was it?

You know what I remember hearing said? That this was a light love triangle, that the logo was broken because the triangle elements wouldn't come together in the same way, that Hayate was the kind of person who never really thinks about love. All of which as the show has shown so far as to be true.

>>143970170
Fucking hell if this becomes legit I'll eat a pair of used socks.

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>>143970001
>>143970137
We should ask Miragefags are they going still trust what staff said about her in this interview.

>>143970182
Unless they started them for a reason that we haven't seen yet that was caused by NUNS in the first place. Like maybe involving a certain group of ruins?

>>143970256
I'm saying it's not legit because there's a completely new theory about Hayate's dad in relation to Freyja

>>143970137
So MIrage is Mikono?

>>143970244
That's why i said it wasn't, it just that she is nothing in this show.

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>>143970170
Heh, another wild theory just like Mikumo is Mirage's AI.

But if Hayate and Freyja had the same father then it's the only chance for Mirage to win the triangle because Haya will obviously sisterzoned Freyer.

A pathetic win for Mirage is still a win.

>>143970265
I don't ever trust anything staff say in interviews because it is usually just a marketing ploy.

>>143970299
>Unless they started them for a reason that we haven't seen yet that was caused by NUNS in the first place. Like maybe involving a certain group of ruins?
I... what? I can't even understand what you are trying to say.
Windermerians started the war because they wanted economical and military independence. It's extremely simple.

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>>143970170
>incest

>>143969666
This needs to be updated. Along with Freyja chart
And mirage chart

>>143970350
>that image
I laughed at Miragefags then but they still had hope. Older girl still wins, they said. First introduction doesn't win they said. Look at our chart they said.

Welcome home mother fuckers.

>>143970182
>rightful king
>rebel
That's not how it works.

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>>143966575
I knew I had this picture somewhere

>>143970026
It's like you haven't watched DYRL with the random decapitation of a civilian by debris

>>143970510
Us Freyjafags be like STARTED FROM THE BOTTOM NOW WE'RE HERE

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As Kumofag, it has always been entertaining to watch Freyjafags and Miragefags arguing to death who will win every week. The winner will be Kawamori with his troll smile in the end like he did in Evol.

>>143970511
>rebel
>noun
>1. a person who refuses allegiance to, resists, or rises in arms against the government or ruler of his or her country.
That's exactly how it works. The government of Windermere at that point was NUNG. Going against NUNG makes him rebel.

>>143970600
Your Freyja start from top and still top, not sure what are you talking about.

>>143970570
I usually see it in the movies, not in the shows, unless I have forgotten

>>143970672
It's fun to take the bait

>>143970542
Mirage a pretty

>>143970265
Oh forget the translation from last thread:
>She hasn't had a lot of chances to be dere yet, and if we make it too sudden her character changes, so maybe her relationship with Hayate will deepen at a more gradual pace
>She still has many things she needs to overcome
>She still must break free from flying by the books
>At some point she will have to advance her relationship with Hayate, when will she do so?

>The winner will be Kawamori with his troll smile in the end like he did in Evol.
What?

In Evol, there was a clear winner from the start, no trolling. It's just that Mikono was complete shit so nobody really agreed with Kawa's taste for that series

Unless you mean the beastiality thing.

>>143970690
No you idiot. The Government of Windermere was still King Gramia. Windermere war of independence is like a violent version of Brexit. No refferendum because they were not a democracy though, still aren't

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>>143970786
>Unless you mean the beastiality thing.
Yeah, nobody cared about Mikono back then but he dropped the bomb with the dog twist.

>>143970672
>liking the huaghty bitch mikumo
Worst walkure. The lesbians are mostly inoffensive and Freyja and Kaname are actually fleshed out with character. Mikumo is 2perfect and just talks down to pretty much everyone while openly basking and believing all the idoru praise she gets when freyja out folds her anyway,

Why discuss politics when you know this is going to end in understanding anyway?

The important thing is "who's gonna live"

>>143970880
>huaghty bitch mikumo
Mikumo hasn't been "haughty" or what people were misconstruing as haughty since like, what episode 6 or something.

>>143970896
Not Herrman

>>143970896
>understanding
I'm willing to forgive NUNS as long as whatshisname, the guy who nuked Ragna, is killed.

>>143970777
>At some point she will have to advance her relationship with Hayate, when will she do so?
>have to
To what end. She's been so dull most of her fans have left in disgust leaving only the autisic core and the less invested.

>>143970942
What's wrong with haughty when used in the moderation that she did back then? When its so little, it's just a turn on.

>>143967518
Everyone is sad except Makina.

>>143970896
>understanding
Understanding is for fags. Independence for the sector or death in the sector

>>143970942
>misconstruing
Oh boy. This is who you resonate with, think about that:
>>143970998

>>143970955
Oh smug Major dude? Characters like him always die by the end

>>143970880
She isn't haughty and nowhere near perfect, what are you talking about?

Just wait for her revelation about protoculture if you want fleshed out Kumo's character. She's just being shinpi until her revelation.

>>143970841
>The Government of Windermere was still King Gramia
King Gramia was still member of NUNG. NUNS troops were still stationed on Windermere. It's not like NUNS attacked Winderemerian rebels, it's Windermerian rebels attacked NUNS troops on Windermere. It's nothing like Brexit. It's similar to Yugolsavian split conflicts.

>>143971061
>Understanding is for fags
But you're watching Macross

>>143970026
This was Messer's final moment

>>143971119
Even the first series had to deal with the fact that some people just don't like to play ball. This is Macross-lite so you're likely right.

>>143971123
Messer probably died with a smile though

>>143970722
I meant that from the beginning everyone was shitting on us and rubbing it in our faces that there was no way in hell Freyja would win but look at us now. Our GoriGori is clearly the obvious choice if we do get a triangle resolution in the end

>>143971230
No it wasn't, it just two groups shitting each others, stop acting like you're the victim.

I'm surprised Windermere got any screentime and Freyja didn't steal it

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>>143971119
You need to understand that he's anti-understanding just like Kaifun. There's always a Kaifun among us.

>>143971193
>Even the first series had to deal with the fact that some people just don't like to play ball
Which is why I said some people are going to die. Even 7 had people who didn't want to sing with Basara die by the end

>>143971282
There were significantly more Miragefags back then. That's undeniable fact.

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WHO STILL MIRAGEFAG HERE?

>>143971282
Never said we were victims. All I'm saying is that Miragefags were pretty smug going into this, never even thought of the possibility that their girl wouldn't win.

>>143971305
>comparing me to kaifun
Fucking rude. Better than being a minmei but still.

>>143966834
More and more Mikumo is being positioned as the outsider in the group. The dark horse, as you'd say. Probably points to the idea she's eventually revealed as a bad guy.

>>143971061
What?

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>>143971388
I was a Zessicafag and I will defend Mirage until the end.

>>143971388
>when the desperation sets in

Hayate's dad is bastard.

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>>143971071
Did Leon die in frontier? I can't remember. TV that is

>>143971449
>I was a zessicafag
You poor soul. Kawamori himself hates you.

>>143971397
>>143971282
Pretty they never expected the staff are so favoritism and bias(in their vision, not mine).

>>143971449
See:
>>143971462
That is a nice image though, anon.

>>143971296
That's because it's her planet and people, it's still about her.

>>143971388
she's so beautiful, she doesn't deserve this

>>143971516
*Becuase

They gave Windermere sympathy points during the first half and then portrayed them as definetely bad guys during the second half. More or less. Because Herman and Cassim don't like Roid's plans, Keith seems iffy about them and the younger trio look eager but you can tell they are just misguided teenagers with a hateboner. And Heinz is just a kid who has been told that's what his father wanted to do.

>>143970570
You know it's funny but thinking about it, the civilians on the SDF-1 were a surprisingly cheery bunch considering they kept dying in droves everytime the ship came under attack.

>>143971441
I thought we already covered "None of the singers will turn out to be evil" thing already and how that's a stupid idea

>>143971516
>Pretty they never expected the staff are so favoritism and bias(in their vision, not mine).
Why are we pretending that suddenly Frontier was a completely equal show and either girl had a chance to win when we spent the better part of 5 years talking about how it was completely favored toward Sheryl

Also, Zero.

>>143971589
Because there were short timeskips inbetween episodes so they could get the despair and suffering out of the way. Also, after a while you get used to this shit

>>143971516
I'm sure they did expect favoritism and bias. But what they didn't expect was for it to be for Freyja and not Mirage.

>>143971388
No one, fuck off

>>143971388
Barely. The show having so much Freyja favoritism and Mirage being unable to get anything without Freyja ending up involved has just turned me indifferent to the entire thing.

>>143971497
He died in movies only. In TV he was arrested.

>>143971282
>No it wasn't, it just two groups shitting each others,
You're rewriting history hard man.

>>143971589
They weren't losing their homes they were forging new ones. They were a hardy group of unwitting refugees who decided to live well.
They're not victims of an attacking force. Life in the warzone is their norm and life.

>>143971449
I feel sorry for you

>>143971643
You're retarded. They were surprised how popular Mirage was because of her name

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>>143971470
DELETE THIS

>>143971502
>Implying everybody who watched Evol wasn't a Zessicafag

This isn't the same situation though since Hayate is not romance boy at all and Freyja is likable

>>143971600
At least Ranka have focus episode, Mirage still gets nothing.
>>143971643
We did expect favoritism and bias, just not this level.

>>143971643
I was always expecting Mirage to get shafted because Freyja was the new talent and idol while Mirage is just a pilot. I just never thought that it would get this bad. It was a real bad sign when the staff were shocked that people still cared about the Jenius name.

>Episode not even about the triangle at all
>People still talking about shipping

I know you guys can't talk about plot-heavy episodes like this one because not everybody knows Japanese but come on.

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>>143970350
>Plus
Guld never had a chance to win myunbowl

>7
Mylene never had a chance to win basarabowl and fucked up her chance with gamlin

>Zero
Imouto Nome never had a chance to win shinnbowl because of her superior onee-san

>Frontier
>Implying Ranka ever had chance to gain Alto's attention

>Delta
Nothing happened yet in the triangle as the MC is clueless about love.

>>143971708
typical freyjafag, Mirage gets 10 seconds of screentime and you start bitching

>>143971702
Sure. Whatever floats your boat.

>>143971702
Can you fucking read? >>143971643 is talking about FANS being surprised about staff favouring Freyja and not Mirage.

>>143971794
This guy knows. Guld even fucked Myung and he had no chance

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>>143971730
>Freyja is likable

>>143971737
Ranka was more of a main character than Sheryl. Even though they made Sheryl more of a main character in the movies.

>>143971739
>were shocked
Really? I care about the name for the sake of their legacy but I don't care about Mirage.

>>143971578
I think that's the whole point. Kawamori tried to make Windermere look like they had justice on their side, Roid and Grahmia sold the people the war on the idea that they were simply taking back what was rightfully theirs and "liberating" the people of the sector against the foreign invaders (whether they want to be liberated or not). Then after the people are intoxicated on the "easy" victories they've had, Roid, who has grander plans, capitalizes on this grab for more.

Because apparently the fact that Windermere is an Imperial Japan expy is completely lost on some people.

>>143971851
Okay, now I see you're going to try and rewrite history and try to paint Freyja as Mikono-tier or some shit but fuck you. This is the only triangle in the franchise where I thought both girls were likable

>>143971792
It is unavoidable since it still is one of the main elements of the franchise even if Kawamori wishes it wasn't.

>>143971855
So please stop comparing Delta to F, i never implied that.

>>143971851
You're clearly out numbered here mirage-friend. Nips and the west love Freyja. The better question isn't whether she is likeable but why you don't like her.

>>143971739
It also reminds me that Frontier's staff thought that Ranka would be fan favourite. These people have no idea what they are doing.

>>143971855
Yeah, and they did the same thing with Freyja now. Unfortunately Mirage isn't Sheryl and she cant get superiority over Freyja like Sheryl did to Ranka.

If only Mikumo was in the triangle, the winner will be clear.

>>143971730
I am a Zessicafag and no, not everyone was on the same boat. Everyone simply agreed that Mikono sucked.

>>143971792
We'll get to talking about the plot when we get subs. I'm very interested in what happened but without subs I can't really contribute to the conversation so for now I'm just keeping quiet.

>>143968790
Nah mang any bombs on a plane are live and must be dropped, usually into the sea, before landing in case you crash land

>>143971953
>If only Mikumo was in the triangle,
I'd drop the series if mikumo gets more attention past her impending reveal

>>143971792
>Episode not even about the triangle at all
More like
>Delta not even about the triangle at all

Both Miragefags and Freyjafags deserve to die.

>>143971933
It's not the same people behind the show though. Sure Kawamori is the same. Writers and directors are different though. Animators don't affect those kinds of things so if they're the same its' not gonna affect things.

>>143971953
>Mikumo
Her personality makes her 0% chance to more popular than Freyja even she's in triangle, so nothing changes.

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>>143971730
Not everyone was zessicafag, some of them were Mixfags.

>>143971953
Mikumo is already going to be maximum plot-related in time without her needing to be involved in the romance. Hell, Mikumo's character as a whole could probably be an accurate summation of Delta. All music and mystery, no romance needed

>>143971088
>It's nothing like Brexit.
It's literally a a Brexit but this time the EU decides to go to war with the UK because they don't want to lose the territory and the superhuman soldiers. Hell, it's even about a nation who joined/was forced to join a supranational union and decides that they want to leave.

>>143972076
>You will never squeeze here big bangs

>>143972070
Her personality still makes her more popular than mirage though

>>143971863
Roid is an interesting antagonist. My guess is that he genuinely wants what's best for Windermere, which for him means claiming themselves as the true heirs of Protoculture, while other people were more fixated on getting their planet back and kicking NUNS out of the sector for reasons like revenge and because they wanted to secure thier independence. And so like you said he's manipulating everyone he can to follow his lead. It's clear he has some grand plans about the Protoculture. Interestingly his main enemies may be not Chaos but that Valans NUNS guy who seems to be researching ruins and all that.

>>143972076
DEM BIG BANGUS

>>143971958
>Everyone simply agreed that Mikono sucked.
Well that's really what I meant. I was thinking like for those who cared about the triangle aspect

>>143971441
What I found interesting too was that of all the girls in the group, even Reina, she is the only one with her boots on the opposite side.

>>143971388
Me, always. Despite what all the dumb people say Im still sure that she will win the bowl.

>>143972150
Not really, both Mirage and Mikumo out of top 10 in last NT ranking, which girl is in top 10 other than Freyja? well, it's Kaname.

What the fuck, why Mirage only appears for a few shots in the opening? Isnt't she one of the main characters?

>>143972266
Actually i think Mirage(and Hayate)'s shots in OP2 is fine, maybe because it's MAD style make you feels not right.

>>143972266
Yeah but she's not a singer and Walkure's the promotion focus and all.

>>143972227
That's because the poll was held when Messer's episode aired. I'm pretty sure Mirage's ranking will increase after the almost naked hug scene happened.

>>143971953
It would take a fair amount of rewrites to fit Mikumo into a triangle, but at the very least they could be on equal grounds since Mikumo would likely resonate with Hayate as well in that version.

>>143972227
And in another ranking Mikumo scored higher than Mirage. What's your point again?

I just assumed Hayate's father was some mercenary who fought for Windermere

>>143972227
I like kaname. I hope her character doesn't end with spaghetti sauce

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>>143972335
>but at the very least they could be on equal grounds
lol no, see what happened to Ranka

>>143972358
And the other ranking Kaname above both of them.
My point is nothing changes even Mikumo is in triangle, the only way it can change is if Kaname is in the triangle, even some of you keep calling her old hag.

>>143972266
No she isn't

>>143972266
She got many scene with Hayate in the start and then Freyja got scene with Hayate in the last part.

>>143972335
>but at the very least they could be on equal grounds
No they wouldn't.

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GAS THE NUNS!

SPACE WAR NOW

>Young Windies mindset

>>143972465
You do realize that the last bout of charts Kaname is riding on a high from episode 10, right? Next one I'd be surprised to see her on it

>>143971004
Making is probably going to be the only idol who survives. That's why her line is Uta Wa Hope

>>143972266
She was in the pilot but they rewrote the scripts last minute, friend. The first OP wasn't changed in time so they just used the old one. This time they finally had time to update it.

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>>143972465
>even some of you keep calling her old hag.
If SDF was airing today, imagine /a/nons will call this soon-to-be-a-winner-out-of-nowhere as old hag in every thread.

>>143972447
>hue subtitles

get out

>>143972545
I laughed when they're eyes got the twinkling effect while Keith and the old guys stayed normal

>>143972548
The other ranking poll you keep talking about was opened at July 1, which is after episode 13, already 3 weeks after episode 10.

>>143972571
Hard to believe that Misa was only like 19 considering she seemed much older.

>>143972571
I only watched SDF recently and I loved her from the start. FUCK minmei. Seriously though, misa caught my eye before it was obvious just how pivotal she was going to be.

>>143972447
Rankafags have a big hope after Seikanhikou scene.

>>143972545
I wonder if Windhaters will continue their GLASS WINDERMERE posting now that this episode proved that the only ones who want this war are Roid and the kids and everyone else is against it.

>>143972571
Technically Misa was sort of out of nowhere since her being in a love triangle wasn't the original plan. And she was also on Kaifun's dick for a bit

>Mfw Misa is younger than Kaname in SDF

>>143972545
The windies are a pretty unstable and vulnerable society when you think about it.

Real world politicians are corrupt retards and voters are retards, imagine how bad it would be if at any time nobody alive would have seen anything past ~20 years with their own eyes and was completely reliant on what other people have told them past that.

>>143972122
You're stupid.
How many EU forces were stationed in UK? Oh wait, EU doesn't have united army forces. It has nothing similar with Brexit. Do you understand that Winderemer still had NUNS forces stationed everywhere? They even explicitly showed that in both anime and manga.
t seems you have no idea how NUNG/NUNS work and how they are different from European Union.

>>143972702
I like Misa and all, but I've been thinking about her character in SDF and she really isn't as super great as I thought she was. She's like fucking crazy for a third of the show and then there's that awful side plot with her crush on Kaifun that doesn't make any sense.

>>143967958
Honestly, while the animation is fine I think they should have switched the songs. This song would have worked better as the ED song, while the actual second ED would have had a better impact as the opening.

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>>143972702
>15 years from now
>I only watched Delta recently and I loved her from the start. FUCK Freyja. Seriously though, Mirage caught my eye before it was obvious just how pivotal she was going to be.

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>>143972744
Yes those fuckers need to burn

>>143966575
Cg shit

>>143966884

the 171 is a derivative of the 17 and was created after the VF-22, but the 22 is better performance wise and supposed to be for special forces

>>143972702
Sorry anon but Misa's a shit. She's a melodrama bitch. Millia is the best.

>>143972655
well, we'll see how it looks in the next NT for instance. Don't get me wrong. Kaname being the 2nd most popular female in delta is big keks to me

>>143968018
The Mirage character is so bad people are starting to want Mikumo as part of the triangle, while still having Freyja be the clear winner, just because it would be more interesting seeing Mikumo

>>143972866
But that's wrong, faggot. My Macross girls are Misa and Freyja. Both winners I picked immediately.
Mirage will not get better with time.

>>143972937
Millia is okay, same with her friend. I liked the Jenius' chemistry with the other military personnel. Minmei scenes that weren't about how her idoling affected zents was screentime down the drain.

>>143972856
Kind of a side effect of the days when anime was done on almost a weekly to weekly basis and nothing was ever set in stone. The Kaifun thing was dropped in a few episodes likely because the fans had a bad reaction to it.

>>143972994
People have been saying Mikumo should be in the triangle from episode 1 except a)it's a stupid idea b)He just did that and c)the only reason people want it is because in the back of their minds there is still that tingling of "why isn't Delta playing out exactly like Frontier"