Has Japan reached peak isekai?

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>>143947963
>The Chronicle of the Male Virgin

Holy fuck what is wrong with you Japan.

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>>143947963
How do we remove the isekai genre from existence?

>>143947963
Cute girls.

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>Chiirem

>>143947963
Those fucking synopsis titles. When will they end?

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>>143947963
>The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic

>>143948044
Terrorism.

Japan hasn't had many of those, they'll fucking bend to the pressure.

>>143948244
Most of the top selling LNs don't even do that shit.

>>143947963
What exactly were you expecting from the so called 'Net Novel Prize' contest? If the novels were in any way good, it wouldn't have to resort to being sold on the net now, would it? Seriously, this is like complaining an award for 'Tumblr Novel Prize' has too much drama in it.

>>143949821
This. The fact that "The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic" won the fucking prize should tell you that this is a garbage contest.

>>143948296
>Chiirem [cheat + harem]
I hope to God that they always have to say Chiirem like that if it gets an anime.

With all these titles, I half expect the actual content of the WNs to have nothing to do with alternate worlds or harems.

>>143947963
Apparently two nukes weren't enough. What a cringefest.

>tfw there's actually 12 people who hate isekai on /a/
Disgusting

>>143950551
Make that 13.

>>143950551
>Not hating Isekai
I want a story with characters, not some piece of bullshit for an emotionally dead otaku to self insert himself into

How come Sword Art Online can have a normal name but everything else needs a long title?

>>143947963
>The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic."
I read something exactly like this except the MC was an older ugly dude. He did get healing magic and was working his way to a harem.

It was garbage no shit.

>>143950551
>>143951534
14

>>143951583
Kagerou Daze has a normal title and it's the second most popular LN after SAO.

I can't wait for "The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate world in Which Isekai Doesn't Exist"

>>143947963
>1,000,000 yen (about $9925.80 USD)
On a random note this conversion rate always fucks me up when I read gambling manga.

"If you lose you'll owe us a billion zillion yen and be our slaves for life"
>It's like $30000

>>143947963
>brown and pale elves
>red demon
>lolis
this must be good, the girls look cute

I blame the overlord author, he encouraged everyone to go write their own self insert wn and hope to make it big.
And they did just that, in droves.

>>143949896
I really just want to sit all these authors down, place The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant in front of them, and see their eyes explode at the early point where he rapes the first chick who's nice to him.

Because that's not even a good fucking series, and it's better by leagues than all this crap. Pulls a lot fewer punches, too.

>>143947963
Didn't one of the contest's ban future isekai stories?

>>143951757
What do you mean by that? A world where Isekai stories never happened, or a world that denies alternate worlds existing and covers up any evidence?

why isekai story usually about asocial MC?

>>143952571
because it's self insert shit protags

>>143951650
Except Kagerou isn't about self insert MC traveling to a fantasy world and gaining a harem.

>>143947963
Wait what, he actually married them? Also, isn't redhead married already?

>>143950551
15

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>MC travels to other world back then

>>143952937
This.

>>143951925
Anon, I doubt MC raping someone is going to really shock a bunch of otaku.

>>143951970
Yep, this was the contest that didn't and probably collected the extra entries.

>>143950551
I don't buy into the isekai meme, because I'm not a cancerous faggot who comes from another anime discussion forum.

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>>143947963
>"The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic."

THIS ISN'T EVEN A TITLE, IT'S JUST THE FUCKING PLOT SUMMARY

>>143953879
Then gtfo with your shit taste faggot

>>143953879
I don't even like isekai, but I don't get why so many people seem to love bashing it so much. I mean, unless you're a big LNfag (and I don't think many people who hate isekai are), then you probably barely come across it, since there are like two/three isekai anime a year, so shouldn't you just ignore it?

>"The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic.

I don't have a reaction image which conveys the disdain and mirth which crossed my face when I read this.

>>143953879
>_____ meme
Kill yourself.

>>143953942
>since there are like two/three isekai anime a year

More like two/three a season

>>143954030
That would still only be like 5% of a season, but no, there aren't two/three a season. List all the ones in the three seasons of this year so far.

The fucking problem is not isekai itself
it's that fuckers almost never created any worthwhile or creative world. it's all fucking same races and culture you can pull from any generic RPG on the market.
Not to mention the mc also in many novel has a fucking game system to abuse with his special snowflake power. DUH EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT A GAME GOTTA ADD HP BAR AND SKILL TREES MATE.
And the characters, oh my gods all females are rather fucking cunts that dare to oppose our mc, or fucking useless sluts leaking fluid every time she smells some MC's breath (despite the fact that she was strong, smart, or queen or whatever before joining mc harem)

>>143954099
But can it get worse at this point?

>>143954030
What the fuck are you on about? There isn't a single one in Summer.

>>143952937
Y'know a few years ago after completely forgetting about it, I actually remembered MAR existed and was gonna read it, but never got around too it. I made a thread and pretty much everyone said it was ultimately forgettable and boring, but I might give it another try someday. I remember Jack, MC, and The Hammer were cool.

>>143954127
Should we try to come up with something worse?

>>143947963

>Chiirem [cheat + harem]

I don't understand. Are they all married already and he's NTRing a bunch of dudes? Does he have a wife who he is cheating on with the harem?

Dog Days was cute

When did the isekai boom start?

>>143954159
I couldn't top that first place winner if I tried

>>143947963
If by that you mean its all going down from here then I sure hope so.

>>143947963
>"The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic."
Now this is some impressive titling. 3rd nuke when?

>>143954159
I honestly can't think of anything as boring and creative, but theres gotta be something. Maybe if really weird fetish shit suddenly got some sort of genre niche and boomed, not quite unlike Monster Girls, but thats not too bad.

>>143954179
From what I've heard apparently with SA:O, but I never watched it or payed real attention to how the genre evolved.

>>143954144
Does Alderamin count as one?

>>143954159
No need, Re: Monster takes that place already

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And I used to think magical school battle harems were the worst.

Now instead, people have decided to ruin the fantasy genre, and you literally can't have one without insane harem horseshit.

>>143954208
>From what I've heard apparently with SA:O
Makes sense, I should have thought about it.

>>143954159
That's easy - BL.

>>143954211
I'm hoping you haven't watched/read Alderamin, because it isn't isekai in any way. It's just normal fucking fantasy - there is one world, every character is born in it and stays in it forever, that world is just different from the real one and has magic and shit.

>>143954179
Around last year was when we started getting anime adaptations so probably a bit earlier than that was when every middleschooler realized they could "just use the same fantasy setting that all the RPGs and other LNs use by using this one simple plot device!".

>>143954213
>And I used to think magical school battle harems were the worst.
Because you are a moron and probably new.

>Now instead, people have decided to ruin the fantasy genre, and you literally can't have one without insane harem horseshit.
They are ruining nothing. There is still fantasy out there and if they were not making these, they would not be making "good" fatnasy, they would be making whatever sells.

You just have to watch anime instead of complaining.

>>143954208
I think if you inserted really obnoxious eight grader political opinions into things then you'd really have something special.

>>143947963
>The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic
I'm not sure if I should laugh or be depressed.

How about a story of a guy getting transported to a fantasy world as a 7/10 girl with a slave collar that forces her to obey acting as some noble's aide on his adventures, who also uses her sexually and sells her out to people for extra cash

I get the appeal of isekai stories. It's a nice fantasy to imagine traveling to another world that is full of wonder and amazement. But enough is enough, alright.

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When did it all go so wrong?

>>143954293
No that'd be on the hilarious end of the spectrum rather then just uninspired. I'd laugh my ass off if some Chuuni kid started raving about the benefits of communism incorrectly.

>>143954211
Isekai does not mean "any fantasy LN adaptation," anon.

>this kusothread again

>>143954311
That's just a generic genderbender doujin.

>>143954236
>Gay male harem Isekai
Legit homo never sells.

>>143954284
>Defending battle harems

They're both bad, we just happen to have more of Isekai at the moment. School setting battle harem in a contemporary fantasy setting is only slightly less lacking in terms of creativity, which it usually makes up for by cranking the garystu up a notch.

>>143954312
It's not enough, having different types of cute anime girls is the best thing.

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>>143952937
>back then

>>143954099
My only good experiences with Isekai came around this very year. But both KonoSuba and Re: Zero are inspired by Isekai stories being bad. I like those shows, but I'd like to see an Isekai show that's good without needing to pick apart what's bad about other Isekai shows.

>>143954384
I didn't defend them, I said they weren't the worst.

>>143954361
Reddit: the anime

>>143954349
When isekai became so specific that you can have a checkbox
>guy
>otaku/gamer
>implied loser in the real world
>video game logic/mechanics
>4th wall reference - 'this is just like in my manga/games!'

Basically, isekai became a 2nd chance at life for MC instead of MC just ending up in a different world and stuff happens.

>>143954311
You sure that hasn't been done?

>>143950551
Sturgeon said that 90% of anything is crap.
In the case of isekai, it's 99.99%.

>>143954361
"How I, A 15 Year Old Virgin Japanese Marxist, Successfully Defeated The Dragon Bourgeois An Created A Glorious Workers' Paradise With The Fearless Diamond Sword of Zellnopos And An Oppai Loli Catgirl Who Thinks I'm Her Onii-Chan?!?"

>guy sent to another world
>it's only used to setup the setting
Why even bother

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>>143953969
Damn fish-heads.

>>143954159
How I became the new god loli after I reincarnated into a fantasy world as a previous male virgin and aquired a harem of girls by talking to one of them using my phone from a alternative world that turns out to be my sister, even though we aren't blood related.

>>143954159
Publish My Immortal as an LN.

>>143954510
i wonder if there'd be a n audience for the same except a /pol/fag with transparent antisemitism and "red-pilling" the kingdom

>>143954479

It is absolutely a wish-fullfillment genre, though that is not necessarily a bad thing.

>>143954642
I don't think the nip right-wing really cares about Jews, considering that Wikipedia says there's a grand total of 2000 in Japan.

>>143954672
do they care about commies/capitalism?

>>143954642
wouldn't make sense. Old civilizations were redpilled because they understood what was needed to survive.

You'd have to create some sort of liberal world for redpilling to work

The problem is that battle harems and isekais are too easy to write.

>>143954586
True enough, but it's very easy to fall into the same cookie cutter trap that every isekai turns into. I'm sure that it's possible to have lots of isekais that are extremely interesting but if going with a loser harem mc that falls into a video game world still earns big bucks, why bother innovating?

I bet with a battle harem or isekai setting, everyone on /a/ should already be able to throw out the same half-baked story.

They're just too easy to use, like fast food; cheap, delicious and at some point everyone realises it's not healthy but continues eating the shit anyway.

The question is, is there a reverse?

Has there been a setting that somehow, everyone writes differently?

I know it's a really strange, specific idea to find such a setting but maybe reading this, some anon might realise something.

>Mc's harem has a furry in it.

My fanfiction suddenly doesn't seem so bad after reading this thread.

>>143954742
When you've already got eight girls...

>>143947963
This is a web novel contest, though.

Majority of web novel authors if not all of them are people who got rejected from actual publishers and mainly third rate publishers later pick them up like AlphaPolis that buys up almost every web novel they can get their hands on these days and they are known to send DMCAs.

AlphaPolis also likes telling the author to shut down their web novel or remove all the chapters and just provide summary teasers instead.

You know something's wrong with the industry when KyoAni LN entries sound more interesting than any of the novels in this contest.

>>143954211
Isekai requires either summoning or reincarnation into another alternate world.

Alderamin has neither shit happening.

>>143947963
>wolf girl
Sorry lads, I gotta give it a 10/10

>>143954928
>wolf girl
>actually above 15%
10/10, I'm tired of animal girls being ears and tail. They don't need to be full blown furry, but they need fur, or else they just look like normal women

>This Alternate World's Magical Language Looks Just Like Japanese
>Doing My Best to Pet Fluffy Things in an Alternate World

Ok, these actually sound fun.

>>143955139
I can't actually imagine what might go on in either of these

How about
>I Will Hunt Down Every Japanese Person That Has Gone To Another World

>>143947963
>"The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic."

This has to be a parody.

>>143955183
That's why it's fun.

Not knowing what's going to happen is what makes things fun.

That's why the cookie cutter isekai pisses off everyone so much. Authors don't have to be creative, they just need to intrigue readers.

It's not like we don't still get shit like Inuyasha being made today.

>>143955216
Maybe just maybe the japenese have a sense of humor and voted it up on purpose

Or they are just that bad

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>these long ass titles
Japan needs to learn to keep it short and sweet.

>>143955252
Inuyasha wasn't terrible though, it had interesting shit going on all the time

>>143955304
What I'm saying is that alternate worlds aren't used exclusively by cookie cutter stories these days.

>>143955252
>>143955385
>InuYasha
>alternate world
Time traveling to feudal Japan is a whole different thing, anon.

>>143950551
16

>>143947963
>two dark skinned girls
Sign me up.

>>143955252
inuyasha is still pure fantasy world, not RPG setting.
Isekai always use MMO gimmick, its not even funny anymore except few.

>>143955183
http://ncode.syosetu.com/n5077bk/

this is one of them

>>143955525
Isekai as used NOW means different world + game gimmicks. Isekai in itself implies no such thing and simply meant 'a different world'.

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I will say, although its ultimately unofficial and personal, I find isekai stories that seem more /tg/ related end up being better then those that are just borrowing from JRPGs and shit. Konosuba seems very much like a tabletop game, for example. Dungeon Meshi is also another candidate. I dunno, maybe its just because they illicit a different take to fantasy worlds, but I think they generally are and preform much better then standard MMO shit.

>>143955630
Dungeon Meshi isn't isekai.

>>143955663
I meant its a good example of something /tg/ not isekai

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No real difference between this and other fads in Japan.
>idolshit
>navy/militaryshit
>shounenshit

Things get popular and people like them. If you don't like it then simply don't read/watch/comment on it since it doesn't appeal to you. Fun isn't for everyone, anons.

>>143955464
Isn't there magic?

>>143951566
so... why are you watching anime then?

>>143947963
>"The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic."
This is fucking retarded. Just reading it has killed so many brain cells that i cant even think of any other insult other than retarded.

>>143947963
I don't mind alternate world so much, I just wished it was harem too so often.

>>143955970
maybe it's a brilliant satire?

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That kind of shit sometimes makes me want Write some real novel just to prove that kind of stuff is shit.

But then I'm just some random faggot on internet.

>>143956161
Unless you write in Nip, nobody will give a shit. Even if you can write in nip, only a few may give a shit.

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>>143956206
Exactly.
But i wonder why there is too much of same thing being written over and over again. I mean, sure it is wishfulfilment but goddamn there is little to no
variation of that crap.


Feels like nobody is having creativity.

>>143956324
if an audience doesn't value novelty, why would an author bother with creativity?

>>143956324
Playing it safe. People like successes, and taking risks doesn't exactly guarantee successes.

>>143956206
I read non-nip stories on royalroadl
most are total shit though...
some are good, but they usually starve out on that site

>NEET otaku is transported into an alternate universe
>He's still a loser
>Can't get a job
>No girl lusting after him
When?

>>143955525
Inuyasha is considered time travel.

Ancient Japan filled with yokai is not considered Isekai.

Are you gonna consider a InuYasha setting in Ancient Greece with demigods everywhere, Isekai then when it would just be another time travel.

>>143956520
Anti-cliches doesn't mean it's good.

>I got tired of all the isekai works recently, so I went to a world without isekai literature

Will any authors ever go that meta or will they just stop at isekai deconstruction?

>>143956592
That kind of titles are getting annoying now.

>>143951583
Dengeki Bunko tends to avoid those long titles unless in some cases, like Oreimo. It's those lesser known or simply inferior publishers like MF Bunko J that like those ridiculous titles.

>>143950551
17. Done right it can be good, but Id like to browse syosetsu without having to wade and then dive through a pile a shit

>>143956592
How about isekai destruction!

>>143956592
>MC gets teleported to a world without isekai literature
>Wants to be a famous author in that world but finds himself outclassed
>Writes an isekai story and becomes popular because it's unique in that world

>>143956664

I love those kinds of titles, shorter than a blurb but let you know exactly what it's about.

>>143957323
"I love those kinds of titles, shorter than a blurb but let you know exactly what it's about."

>>143957213
>the alternate world he writes about is in fact his original world

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>>143957419
NANI!?

>>143954221
>>143954208
Problem with tying it to SAO is that SAO was actually about large numbers of people being trapped in an actual videogame and they all know it's a game, not a single heavenly superperson being thrown into an alternate dimension that acts like a videogame where the local savages can be astounded by his superpowers.

>>143957323
Non-fiction English books often have descriptions attached to the title. I heard that was becoming typical because it's optimized to show results on search engines. Someday we in the west will once again return to naming our fiction like "The Life and Strange Surprizing Adventures of Robinson Crusoe, Of York, Mariner: Who lived Eight and Twenty Years, all alone in an un-inhabited Island on the Coast of America, near the Mouth of the Great River of Oroonoque; Having been cast on Shore by Shipwreck, wherein all the Men perished but himself. With An Account how he was at last as strangely deliver'd by Pyrates."

>>143954479
You really aren't familiar with the genre and many of the most popular series break that formula.

To begin with thousands of isekai stories have female protagonists.

>>143954159
We have and that something is related to a phone.

>>143956520
KonoSuba gets close.

>>143957613
Read the chain of conversation, retard. The post was talking about CURRENT isekai. No shit, there are those that aren't like that. Fucking Escaflowne was the original post being replied to.

How about you familiarise yourself with how reply chains work first.

>>143952441
>a world that denies alternate worlds existing and covers up any evidence?
I'd read it.

>>143954366
We're trying to fight against shitty light novels, nigger.

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>>143947963
Is the combination of Oreimo style titling and the Isekai genre the most cancerous thing which has risen from otaku culture?

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>>143947963
No. They haven't even begun. Wait until they start writing gaijin into their Isekai.

Have any of these stories ever done something like the episode of TNG where Picard wakes up on another planet and lives an entire life on that planet before it turns out it was just memories of a dead planet being fed into his brain?

>>143957613
Read the chain of replies.

>>143957737
>Oreimo invented long titles
Lurk for like a decade dude.

>>143947963
I like harem, but I can't stand it when the MC just hax his way to victory instead of actually earning it.

>>143957662
Kazuma rolls a 20 on luck, counterbalanced by the fact his party gets him in trouble pretty often.

>>143957800
Probably, star trek plots get borrowed/expanded all the time

>>143951583
>How come Sword Art Online can have a normal name but everything else needs a long title?
It was already famous online before it was picked up for publication. Those long names are from small time authors who got desperate and tried to be recognised by having eye catching titles.

Gatoh of FMP and Amagi didn't like it either, but that's really just a case of marketing creeping into the book title.

>>143952771
Doesn't fucking matter if Polygamy is legal.

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>>143948037
It's not even an original isekai story.

>>143957817
It wasn't as common to find such a way of titling until Oreimo opened the floodgates. Just check the titles of LNs over the years and you can see a spike in such titles after Oreimo was published.

>>143954928
That's just a random isekai LN cover art. The winning story is still shit.

>>143957708
Well it's not like they aren't being made like that anymore.

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>>143947963
>The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic

>The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic

Japan doesnt even give a fuck anymore

>>143947963
That fucking title

>>143951829
But Overlord has a cool MC it's actually the only isekai that I like

>>143948316
>>143950170
>>143958235
Edgy.

>>143957708
>>143957805
Again both of you are total beginners to modern isekai.

Burikko
Youjo Senki
Kumo desu ga
The Bathroom Goddess
Kenkyo Kenjitsu
Koushaku Reijou no Tashinami
Albert Ke no Reijou wa Botsuraku wo go Shomou desu
Akuyaku Tensei
Maou de Atta Yo Akuyata
Alice Tale in Phantasmagoria
She Professed Herself the Pupil of the Wise Man

And more but fuck dudes this is a massive genre and there are more shoujo content creators in Japan than generic isekai harem creators. For example the demographics of those who have booths at Comiket have been over 50% female for virtually every Comiket since its inception.

>>143958401
>you in charge of understanding context
>you in charge of reading comprehension

>>143958464
>The post was talking about CURRENT isekai
>The post was talking about CURRENT isekai
>The post was talking about CURRENT isekai
I'm not entirely sure what we're talking about if not CURRENT isekai.

Reverse Isekai when?
>a simple salaryman accidentally triggers an ancient spell pulling a fantasy adventuring party into his apartment.
>he must teach them to navigate the modern world while holding down a demanding job and preventing incidents and misunderstandings.

>>143958401
People talking about X.
You come in to argue about Y.

wew

>>143958534
That's pretty similar to that Maou working at McDonald's story.

>>143958534
Mahou is a part timer?

>>143958111
Me on the left

>>143958401
>>143958514
Again, go read the original chain of posts.

>>143954349
>ask when did it go wrong
>>143954479
>become too specific

Then you jump in about other irrelevant shit. How does that excuse SAO etc becoming popular and getting anime? Nothing. Because you were arguing about an entirely different thing to begin with. Nobody said that's all the isekai being made. The two posts only said those were the bad examples (that got popular and got anime). You jumped the gun, you fucked up. Just shut up and accept it.

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Tell me anons, will we live to see true Shield-kino or Mushoku-kino within our lifetimes?

This is not a Japanese phenomenon.

I work in the editing industry in the USA. Female authors, especially romance and young adult, are suffering from the same.

Romance novels for women now are not what it they were in the 20th century. Those were full of actual main characters, think Scarlett O'Hara from Gone With the Wind.

Now it is the same shit as isekai. I get the same fucking queries every goddamn week.

>loner female
>"nerd," although it is more like the girls who claim to like Star Wars, not really socially ousted for hobbies
>not particularly good looking, although she is. Inner goddess, I don't know, I can't understand.
>All the men flock to her pussy no matter how rude or wifey or tsundre or actually "strong" she is.
>basically a blank slate female MC for the reader to self-insert with while she fucks one-dimensional hunks.

>>143958707
>webnovel goes full edge.

I'm legit scared of this.

>>143958726
Note that not all female authors suffer from this. There are some wonderful manuscripts that never get published by the Big Four because it "might not" sell. And because the female authors don't hide their names like JK Rowling did for the first 2 Harry Potter books.

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>>143958534
Maou hataraku and Kobayashi-san chi no Maid Dragon

>>143958547
>people talking about CURRENT isekai
>bring up current isekai
>no we're not talking about CURRENT isekai
What the fuck do you want nigger?

>When isekai became so specific that you can have a checkbox
>The post was talking about CURRENT isekai
Because of these two I mentioned a list of CURRENT isekai that go against your narrow as fuck view of thousands of literary works.

>>143958675
SAO isn't even isekai retard.

Yeah every genre has a couple of retarded formulaic works looking to capitalize on the craze but if you consider that representative and not derivative then you're fucking dumb.

>>143958818
>SAO isn't even isekai
Well, looks like you ran out of options and have to go back to using old baits. Here's a (you) for (you)r effort.

>>143958875
So sports series are all Isekai? You play in an isolated area where no one outside can interfere, get to show off your niche skills that ordinary people would never develop because they have no need, and get streamed to everyone while trying to be a hero, what's the difference?

>>143947963
This is actually much, much worse than Irregulars at Magic Highschools and the early 2000's VN Adaptations/LuckyStar Clones with girls talking about things/Seasonal cat-centered shows. It has gone too far and needs to be stopped.

>>143951625
Atelier Tanaka? But I don't think he was working his way to a harem.

>>143958875
But it's quite literally not isekai. They're all very much alive in the real world which becomes a major focus after volume 1.

>>143958943
Oh, it's you again. Keep at it, you'll become the next kei-tai.

>>143954179
Mushoku Tensei was what sparked the boom. I think some other WNs/LNs like SAO set the foundations for it though.

>>143958875
Not him but SAO really isn't isekai....what the hell are you even talking about?

>>143958818
>>143958401
No anime adaptation, nobody gives a fuck. I'll tell you to keep being salty, but then again you hipsters like being salty and being angry that people don't know about the obscure shit you get smug about.

>>143959010
>Everyone who calls me out for my stupidity must be samefag since they give the exact same reason

Teaching you math must have been masochistic torture. I pity whoever had to raise an orphan like you.

Is there a isekai where a female travels to another world and has a harem of princes?

Inyuasha was pretty good.

>>143959025
I don't want see what going happen if Mushoku gets a anime adaptation.

>>143959099
Yeah, probably. I'm pretty sure multiple versions of that exact scenario exist but I haven't read any of them.

>>143959086
Search the archive, the guy has been arguing about sports series being an isekai in previous threads.

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>>143959047
I'm so fucking glad dude. I love that my absolute favorite of the genre is almost unadaptable because I'll never have to interact with the SAO/SnK audience.

>>143959099
That's the generic plot for basically every shoujo harem ever. Get started.

>>143958726
Isn't the majority of that industry nowadays self-published authors on amazon? I know the erotic novel e-book market is absolutely saturated with niche porn written by amateurs to make a quick buck.

>>143959206
>I'll never have to interact with the SAO/SnK audience.
Says the guy arguing with the SAO/SnK audience in this very thread. I swear, you faggots are just as retarded as the people you like to mock.

>>143959164
It's an adequate comparison, one which has never been countered, only shit posted.

>>143947963
Ah is this the people who don't read Narou WNs complain and shitpost about isekai thread?

Wish the last thread stayed up.

>>143954213
>>143958954
It's only going to get worse. No matter how bad things are, something even worse is going to come out that makes you rather have it back.

Can't stand idolshit? Wait till you see MALE idolshit.

>>143959025
>Mushoku Tensei was what sparked the boom.
Really? I didn't think it was a big title. I really fucking hate what became of this series half way through. I'm still trying to get myself to read the final chapters.

>>143959164
No one is arguing that sports is isekai, it's to point out how retarded you are for considering SAO an isekai. You could literally take some random sports manga where the MC gets stranded on a deserted island and has to play sports to survive and that would be no different than SAO.

>>143959206
Maria Holic is targeted at women?

>>143959266
Please tell me you're not >>143959086 because otherwise the irony would have been too hilarious.

>>143959037
It's largely it in spirit, though I'd agree, as terrible as it is, it's not quite as cancerous as full blown isekai.

It just hits the most cancerous check boxes: has super nerdy skill that, in this new world, makes him an awesome god and he gets tons of girls falling over his dick. Which is all anyone really cares about when it comes to shitting on isekai. They could all be time travel themed, and people would still hate them. The being "trapped in another world" part is largely ancillary to their problems.

None of this is anything new, anyway. Isekai only gets singled out nowadays because it's become so absurdly checklist it's hard not to notice them all.

>>143959299
I believe it topped syosetu's rankings for quite a while. It was big enough at least among the LN/WN communities.

>>143959309
I'm not, and why do you keep talking like a nerd? No one agrees with you.

>>143959295
>male idolshit

Isn't that just fujo sport shows

>>143959302
>comparing a magic tier virtual reality with some mundane setting
>it's the same, you're retarded for thinking otherwise!

>>143959266
>make shit comparison
>complains about shit post

Seriously, you guy, seriously.

Is there like a list of all the "Isekai" novels?

I torrented like a hundred novels and most of what I end up checking are those. I want to avoid them if possible.

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How could they completly fuck up a concept that was perfected twenty years ago?

>>143959359
Worse.

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>>143955630
Because real JRPGs are heavily plot focused.

Once you take the heavy plot away, strip off any supporting cast and focus entirely on the MC, add cheats so that your MC becomes a superhero snowflake, what you get is:
Skyrim with sex mods

>>143959354
The lack of self awareness is indeed ironically hilarious.

Has there been an Isekai story where they have to take a flaw instead of a cheat?

What's wrong with writing about male virgins?

Hits too close home? Self-hate?

>>143959426
Imagine if every tv show was the big bang theory

>>143959025
Kuro no Maou is an older web novel than MT.

>>143959099
Fushigi Yugi

though its not like the isekai of now, as there's no RPG elements nor does the girl have some broken power.

>>143959426
>male virgins having the entire world sucking their dicks
>too close to home

Whatever you say

>>143950551
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>>143959215
Yes, the self insert romance and erotica is extremely pervasive in the big companies and the self-published. I guess Water for Elephants did break standards in every way, being both self published but not self insert, but those are one in a million.

I don't know why the sudden obsession for self insert came to be. This is happening in high fantasy novels written by men too.

It isn't necessarily a Millennial thing either. I don't know why the popularity has skyrocketed.

Or maybe it has always been that way.

>>143959366
>Literally admitted it here >>143959339
>Backpedal trying to act like details don't matter
>Trying to act like everyone who is right is too serious despite you having no life and keeping tabs on old threads
>+0 on IP every time you post
>Thinks as long as he only posts one line he's not losing on 4chan

Just get a trip so everyone can filter you.

>>143959583
Maybe it was another of those WNs/LNs that set the foundations, but it doesn't strike me as what caused the isekai boom.

>>143959423
Kono Suba.

>>143959423
Tilea's Worries.

MC became a girl who has an extreme elf fetish but the female elf he likes isn't lesbian so he got friendzoned and can no never go past first base.

He has to settle for just smelling the elf girl's hair.

Also, in Tilea's Worries, MC accidentally makes the Bad Guys defeat the Good Guys and a shitload of innocent people actually die and we, readers, have to accept innocent people or the heroes on the human's side dying because MC accidentally fought on the bad guy's side.

>>143959423
yeah, there's quite a few that have the character end with a "flaw" or "weak" ability... at least, thats what the people in their world thinks.

then the MC finds some ingenious way to use it or discovers hidden/secret abilities, that he ends up being overpowered anyway.

>>143959099
There's one where a male travels to an alternate world and has a harem of princes so I'm sure the female version exists too.

>>143959718
See >>143959714

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This gives you a lot of insight into their lives. They must be so fucking terrible that the majority of their media is about escaping into an alternate reality.

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>>143959655
>Or maybe it has always been that way.

How so? I look back at science fiction and fantasy novels published 30+ years ago and I can't remember any characters that were obviously blank for self-inserts. Even in the alternative world stories.

>>143959697
Just because it hangs a lampshade on shitty isekai trope doesn't excuse it for including them. He's still a reborn otaku who succeeds beyond any reasonable amount thanks to his previous knowledge surrounded by women who want him.

>>143959758
When you have people that work like 25/8 you know that your country have issues, also there is social and cultural presure.

>>143954159
I can't quite remember what it's called but it was posted on that Goblin slayer thread a few days ago. The one with the SSS-level insect and Edge McEdgy protag.

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>>143959602
But it's isekai for grills so they don't need special powers or RPG shit, just pretty boys and pretty clothes and drama llamas.

Also, Twelve Kingdoms.

>>143959787
well self-insert main characters are of course as old as novels themselves its just that they were usually either idealized heroes or a critical self-reflection of the author.

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>No Isekai about a group of people in their mid 20s who all have different majors and end up being reincarnated together in a poor as fuck village.
Innovating a bit would be nice instead of always being a NEET or something akin to it.

>>143959739
alright you know one that does it straight, but thats less of a flaw and more of just MC being unlucky.

im talking about MCs who get told that the power they get are "shit", and then they find some loophole to abuse it or discover more abilities from their power that now makes them "OP".

>>143959787
Are you saying Arslan's party isn't made up of self-inserts? Or that faggot Yang Wenli wannabe in Tytania?

>>143959821
Can you even read what I quoted? I addressed the quote, and only the quote, why do you have to talk about random shit that has nothing to do with my address on said post? Are you >>143959010?

>>143959868
You've just described Grimgar.

>>143959839
>well-written female MC who isn't a self insert

Why can't there be more of this

>>143959787
I noted in the preceding paragraph that the popularity has skyrocketed. I don't know if those kinds of novels were always submitted but weren't monemakers til now. I've only been on the cursory part of the industry for 3 years.

The fact I'm referring to it as industry makes me depressed.

WESTERN ISEKAI
Chronicles of Narnia
Wizard of Oz

>>143958111
>NTR the novel
>Main heroine fucks with some handsome boy, MC enters, falls in love with him and goes with him, amnesia happens, he goes back to the other boy.
>Other female is an orgy addict

>>143959853
They wouldn't know that, these kids just started reading books two summers ago.

>>143958111
I just want fucking updates, the travels of eccentric noble, lesbian knight, random barmaid, 29 year old wageslave and MC-kun and his sluts sound fun.

Isekai is like pol. Its contaiment for shitty writers and hacks and keeps them from ruining other genres

>>143959902
Moneymakers*

>>143959887
I can't remember, I haven't read Narnia since I was a young kid. Was it that bad?

>>143959910
According to the retard Harry Potter counts as well.

>>143959950
It was, your nostalgia is just getting the better of you. It doesn't have the nip flavor but it's no better once you take the goggles off. I regret ever reading it a second time.

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Years ago I dreded anime development everything was moe everything was fucking k-on or Haruhi or something like that.

But finally the time is now. I FUCKING LOVE isekai FUCK YEAH.

>>143959910
Those are for kids. Japs unironically market childrens books for adults because average jap male is fucked up in so many ways

>>143959918
He is only interested in the maid, it isn't?

>>143959950
Narnia was bullshit.

Incest never happened even though hormones and the only regular human around was your older brother who also happens to be King while you are Queen yet no one demands any heirs.

Also, fucking faggots picking chocolate over /ss/ with Christmas Cake.

>>143959887
What fucking flaw are they told to take on KonoSuba. He blatantly gets told "have any super powered cheat you want" and gets one in the form of a goddess at his side who saves the day.

>>143959972
The first movie was decent, after that it was full shit.

>>143958954
>early 2000s
>Lucky star clones
>Lucky star was 2007
If you actually go back you'll realize there really wasn't as much SoL shit as historical revisionists think.

You're not wrong about the magical high school shit though, but that was mostly JC staff's fault anyway (and it was also mid to late 2000s)

>>143959382
That sounds painful to read.

No wonder why SAO is treated as the second coming of Mars of Destruction

>>143958397
t. reddit

>>143951801
You're falling for the slant's tricks anon

>>143960074
And you're saying this >>143950170 isn't reddit?

>>143960074
>t.
Go back there. Or to be precise, go back to your other shit boards that are no better than reddit.

>>143955139
Now these are just taking the piss, aren't they?
What are the chances that they're self-aware parodies?

>>143959995
The goddess didn't do jack squat until shit hit the fan, whereas the other hero didn't even reach the point where shit hit the fan until he met Aqua again.

You're basically saying "Look you get free rez at max difficulty" and saying it's OP when the comparison is "Look you get this overpowered sword at easy difficulty". If the swordfag wasn't so generically incompetent and was half as smart as the neet MC then the story would be over within the first week.

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>>143959994
The Silver Chair is the one novel from the series I'd say worth anything.

Wheel of Time would make a great anime, it is full of harems. Many of them.

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>>143959898
No one in grimgar remembers shit about their world, so no, I didnt.

>>143960102
>Getting mad at memes
You have to go back

>>143959868
Make them unable to use magic and have to go up in life through their knowledge and teamwork and would be damn amazing if done correctly.

>>143960133
>muh memes
Kill yourself.

>>143960119
>Wheel of Time would make a great anime, it is full of harems.

Tons of tsundere cunts too, nips love that shit

>>143960116
>there are tens of people almost as strong as katsuragi
>they all are useless shit too

>>143960133
>don't like my dank memes bruh xD

>>143960108
Most Isekai are semi-self aware, at least the MC is aware. Mushoku Tensei for example is basically Rudi's 4th wall breaking journal no different than a paper record of a D&D campaign.

>>143960095
That post is often said when Japan does something strange or disappointing.

Same with 9/11 and Vietnam posts with America

>>143958111
>alternate world
>it's just an old district of Copenhagen, Denmark

>>143960154
>muh autism
Take your own advice

>>143960190
>when Japan does something strange
>Japan is so WEIRD guys lolol
yes, I know when people make the two nukes joke. I've heard it from secondaries for nearly the past decade now, you don't need to explain your dank meme to me.

>>143959898
What's the point if people in Grimgar were summoned?
Rather, the Isekai aspect of Grimgar isnt even needed, just give some random people amnesia and you get the same result.

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>>143947963
>The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic

>>143960170
>>>/qa/

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>>143960157
Every single one in MC Rand Al'Thor harem is like that.
>Best girl Min

>>143959910
A Princess of Mars
Gulliver's Travels

>>143960237
>be American
>get shot

>>143950551
19

>>143960162
Exactly, that part is what qualifies as the hated part of Isekai, but it's not Kazuma getting a cheat. He DOESN'T get a cheat, that's the entire point. He gets a damegami. His cheat is his modern world common sense and disillusionment of the situation leading him to treat it as real life instead of "oh I'm the hero now time to sword things".

This is the exact same shit that Shieldbro played straight in exchange for the MC having cheats. Imagine if Shieldbro didn't have the shield. How long do you think he could have realistically lasted? Keep in mind he fucking lasted an average of 5 days or so in the gaiden because Motoyasu carebeared him.

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>>143947963
>and Gains Healing Magic
What is it with Healing Magic?

>>143951583
1) Lazy fucking moronic authors/editors
2) (this is important) Lazy moronic readers who just want the title to tell them what the story is

>>143960012
>After the magical school stuff J.C. Staff just gets degrees of remarkable ranging from only remembered due to one media fiasco like Rail Wars and Henneko to degenerate meme girls like Agiri and Anna

>>143960237
Why are you buttmad tho?
You even admit you know about it and yet you still got triggered.

Why would this be?

>>143960281
Nobody around you including yourself can't die. Ultimate carebear magic.

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>>143959910
Is this the greatest example?

>>143960281
Infinite sex cliche.

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>>143955280
They can't help it if they're actively compensating

>>143960162
Konosuba reminds me of Guru Guru and Slayers in this regard. All 3 are fantasy comedies that feature the main cast being vastly more competent than everyone else despite horsing around like no tomorrow.

>tfw i whole heartedly like the isekai genre

>>143960308
>There will never be an Index/Railgun S3

>>143960361
Genres do not inherently make a good or bad story unless you are extremely narrow minded.

>>143947963
That's pure isekino right there.

>>143960361
I like isekai and fantasy. The problem is the shit writing of many authors. It is not the genre the problem, it is the authors. Just like we get tons of school harems in modern nippon, battle harems in fantasy nippon etc etc.

>>143960315
>u mad? xd
you really can't make this up.

>>143960308
It's funny how different they are now. They're not nearly as known anymore as opposed to being synonymous with tsundere and kugilolis.

>>143960308
funny you mention JC staff when they had like one of the first isekai anime(zero no tsukaime) but it never took off.

>>143958954
it hasn't even began anon.

>>143960273
His cheat is his infinite luck stat that protects him and gets warped into Monkey Paw because of Aqua.

It hits every shitty note that other isekais do, but it's more entertaining because it's played as a comedy rather being serious. That doesn't mean it's better, just means it's different.

>>143959099
First things that come to mind are Dokuhime and some stuff by Shinohara Chie. There's not a shortage of works like that, though.

>>143958954
>frogposter
Anime is shit. The sooner you leave this board the better.

>>143960426
Agreed
I can't believe you are this upset over it
Sad to be honest

>>143950551
20~

>>143960485
I don't remember Dokuhime being isekai.

>>143958726
Sounds like Twilight might be to blame

>>143960586
Ah, that's right. Got that messed up. I was just thinking of series with prince harems.

>>143959910
>no mention of Erfworld
Literally a fat nerd gets summoned into a table top game world and uses his superior experience with game systems and representations of actual physics to cheese his sides way to victory. It's even web published with a significant amount of text stories to it now too.

>>143960541
Anon, not everyone who's tired of your old unfunny memes is "triggered."

>>143960438
The first isekai was Alice in Wonderland.

in all seriousness, ZnT was part of a different trend so the whole idea probably didn't pick up as much at the time when everyone was going crazy over adapting series with kugiloli characters. Plus, it lacked that distinct JRPG feel.

>>143960473
He doesn't have infinite luck stat. We know his luck stat even secondaries know the outdated numbers stop making shit up.

Infinite luck would not give him trouble, infinite luck would make him a god from the start. Stop exaggerating like an idiot. Someone like Saitama has magnitudes of greater luck and even he has 'troubles'.

I never said whether or not the series was good or bad, I just said he doesn't have a cheat. You are just saying MUH PLOT ARMOR IS A CHEAT which could apply to literally every single main character that doesn't die horribly within the first half of a story featuring mortal combat.

Just admit it, your feelings overload whenever posting about isekai elements that inherently trigger you making you no different than /pol/ talking about niggers.

It's not like I don't sympathize with you, but you just take it too far and act like a nut job and you do it knowingly but lack self restraint. What's the point?

>>143947963
>Netooku Otoko no Tanoshii Isekai Boueki
Actually sounds fun and has elves.
Picked up.

>>143960281
it makes the man into the healcuck. this way he does no fighting and is max herbivore

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>>143960644
Oh shit, you just brought up this repressed memory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamearth_Trilogy

This was an actual published book series from the late '80s.

Okay, so it's not strictly isekai, it's muh other world avatar, but it had all the cringy RPG tropes that you expect from bad isekai. The world actually had enormous hexagons of terrain with noticeable lines between them.

>>143960750
I dunno man, I think most soldiers would object to you effectively classifying army doctors and combat medics as cucks.

>>143960799
i mean in the isekai/mmo genre

Would you read an LN/manga about a legendary hero reincarnated into the body of an obese manchild mangaka in 21st century Japan?

>>143960815
I feel like it'd be one of those series that tries too hard to be meta.

>>143958796
>There are some wonderful manuscripts that never get published by the Big Four because it "might not" sell.

Guy, thats not even true just look at any scifi or fantasy release calendar and any day 2/3 of it will be female authors. And its come to a point that any book-novel related website don't even talk or even promote male authors anymore unless they are already mainstream and their lead is a "strong" female. Its hard to learn if there are any new up and coming male authors anymore since they are practically banned for all intents and purposes unless they are lbgt. And no im not some gg or ppuppy either. I like a good leguin or gabaldon book but shit man im tired of seeing warewolves and vampires every other release.

>>143960775
>Kevin J. Anderson
Where do I know that name?
>Young Jedi Knights
Ah, of course.

Is there a WN/LN set in WW2?

>>143960848
yeah the name is setting me off too...

>>143960250
Min is the best. Too bad she grows old.

Anyway you hate the ending as i did? I still can't get over how Rand cucks himself at the end.

>>143960652
You own post suggest otherwise
Why would this be?

>>143960904
If you don't know him from Star Wars, you probably know him from all those Dune prequel/sequels he's done (With the most recent being released this year, jesus christ).

>>143959910
The Magicians

>>143947963
>"The Chronicle of the Male Virgin Who Travels to the Alternate World Chiirem [cheat + harem] and Gains Healing Magic."
Okay, great. Anime when?

>>143960840
>Its hard to learn if there are any new up and coming male authors anymore since they are practically banned for all intents and purposes unless they are lbgt

Could an author pass gender-bending smut off as LGBT crap? I know Jack Chalker wrote a shitton of it

>>143947963
>Net Novel Prize
who cares

>>143959910
The Neverending Story
Peter Pan

>>143960848
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_J._Anderson

It's not listed on his own wiki page, but it does say his first novel was in 1988, so that would be just about right for this to be his second or third.

>He has written spin-off novels for Star Wars, StarCraft, Titan A.E. and The X-Files
>He has also written several comic books, including the Dark Horse Star Wars collection Tales of the Jedi written in collaboration with Tom Veitch, Dark Horse Predator titles, and X-Files titles for Topps.

Wow, this guy is like the king of licensed world novels.

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>>143960950
It was from this, actually

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>yfw when the french isekai(dreamland) did better ten years ago

>>143954311
I want to read something like this.

>>143947963
I blame Pocahontas for this.If she was not so into white man cuck no one would brag they got easy exotic pussy in the New World thus no one fantasizing going in the new world..

>I got transported to a fantasy world but it turns out its just a pay to win mobage and I don't have any money and the gatcha roll rate sucks

>>143954311
I think there's porn of that already.

>>143961153
That actually sounds funny. Good potential for a decent author to get a couple stories out of it. Would watch 1 cour.

>>143960930
I don't know anon, you sound like the mad one still replying to only me

>>143961153
This would be perfect given the timing with all that new law kicking in after the granblue scandal.

fuck FGO

>>143954311
http://exhentai.org/g/919503/f975fa64bf/
http://exhentai.org/g/919504/e04f2279b0/
http://exhentai.org/g/920058/ef7593c636/
http://exhentai.org/g/920091/2ff6aef0db/

>>143961153
Sounds like Greed Island.
And death is permanent.

>>143958534
Technically Monmusu is inverted isekai as well.