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Dragon Ball Super preview summaries for DBS ep.51-54

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Episode 051: “Feelings that Transcend Time: Trunks and Mai” July 10th
Goku Black, who looks just like Son Goku and who menaces future Earth, appeared in the present via time distortions. Right before Black was pulled back to the future by the closing time distortions, he destroys the time machine which Future Trunks rode in. However, the Bulma of the present had saved the time machine Cell rode inside a capsule. Goku and the gang resolve to repair that time machine and go to the future in pursuit of Black.

Episode 052: “Master and Pupil Reunion: Son Gohan and ‘Future’ Trunks”
Bulma hurries to repair the time machine and comprehend its energy. Meanwhile, the Trunks from the future goes to meet Gohan, who had been his master in the world of the future. However, Trunks is bewildered to find that the Gohan who shows up is completely different than the one he knew.
No episode July 24th

Episode 053: “Reveal Black’s True Identity! Now, Off to the Kaioshin Realm of Universe 10!” July 31st
After realizing that Black has the same ki as Zamasu, Universe 10’s apprentice Kaioshin, the God of Destruction Beerus and his attendant Whis head to Universe 10 together with Goku. In order to verify his ki, Goku challenges Zamasu (who distrusts humanity) to a battle, but...

Episode 054: “lnheritor of Saiyan Blood: Trunks’ Resolve” August 7th
Though they know that Zamasu and Black have extraordinarily similar ki, they are unable to obtain any proof that the two are the same person. Meanwhile, Vegeta tells the Trunks from the future “I’m going to give you some training”.
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>>143861467
in

this looks like it's going to be a long ride and i can hardly contain myself
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Oh I hope the last one is true.
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>That Episode 52

It hurts bros
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RIP Church of Gohan
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>Ep 52
Gohanfags BTFO
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>>143861614
>>143861681
It seems to me it will end with Gohan finally turning into his Cell Saga persona after Trunks will trashtalk him a bit
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>>143861467
>Vegeta tells the Trunks from the future “I’m going to give you some training”.
Oh boy!
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>No episode July 24th
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>trunks: "gohan, what happened?"
>gohan: "well, all those life and death battles and seeing my friends die over and over at a young age left me with emotional scars, so i decided to become a scholar to get away from it".
>trunks: "ur a faget"
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"Vegetal Trains Trunks"


SUPER SAIYAN RAINBOW TRUNKS COFRMED
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>>143861467
>Trunks is bewildered to find that the Gohan who shows up is completely different than the one he knew.
Literally this!
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I just love how Super is slowly making all those fanarts canon.
First it was this.
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>>143862778
Then this.
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>>143862796
And now this >>143862645
What's next?
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>>143862796
Lol Trunks is cucking Trunks!
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>>143861967
"K-kisamaaaa"
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>>143861721
I doubt it. Remember, there's no evidence that the character development he had in the Super version of RoF and the training stuff with Gohan and Piccolo had anything to do with Toriyama - especially when you read Toriyama's and Toyotaro's interview and they talk about Gohan. They seemed to consider his story finished.

So, if this encounter is actually from Toriyama's outline, it likely won't lead anywhere for Gohan. Trunks will see that he's different and then leave him alone. Toei might add some references to him going back to training, but it'll be irrelevant and he won't have any active role in the arc.
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So, this is going to be a snore fest till at least ep 54.
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>>143861967
This was Gohan's best form.
To try and surpass this would be doing the fans a disservice.
I'm more interested in seeing Goten and Trunks become stronger.
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>>143863002
Here is as it would look in series itself.
At least by episode preview (shots are in exact order).
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>>143861967
>turankusu: "gohan nani ga atta"?
>gohan: "iroiro atta"
>turankusu: "kisamaaaaa!!!!!!!"
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>>143863197
gotta admit trunk's blue hair instead of purple bothers me....
it's just like.....Why
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>>143863251
Why did no one care about Bulma's hair going from lime green to blue, but Trunks hair changing bothers so many people?
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>>143863218
KKGHHKKGHGGHKKGGGH
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>>143863312
>giving a shit about Bulma
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>>143863312
When was bulma's hair lime green?
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>>143863251
Complaining about Blue hair is the same as complaining about Blue arms.
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>>143863468
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>>143863468
It was never lime green. It was teal and then went a bit darker.
I assume because she aged.
It looks good either way.
Unlike Trunk's hair.
>Oh yeah he's from a different timeline....THAT REALLY EXPLAINS WHY HIS HAIR LOOKS ALL SHITTY NOW
Oh yeah...didn't Mai used to have blue eyes?
They're sorta pushing the race mixing theme a bit hard these days aren't they? Hell Japs have always wanted to sack up with White women but now...it's like they're trying to brainwash us into shacking up with Asian girls.
Not gonna happen you sneaky chinks.
Kooky Gooks
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>>143863516
>>143863468
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>>143863468

It's her hair color during most of Z.
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>>143863545
Neither of those colors are lime green.
Now you have to look at this frog.
That's not anime now is it?
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>>143863556
Compare with her hair color in Super.
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>>143863556
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>>143863516
>>143863545
>>143863556
It just seems like a lighter shade of blue to me.
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>>143863556
>>143863599
>>143863516

>tfw Bulma in Super looks younger than in the original DB

U fucking wot
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>>143861467
>No episode July 24th

JUST
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God we're bitching about hair color, we're on the level of Chris Chan.
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>>143863599
This is because Bulma is supposed to be blonde but Akira Toriyama wanted it to be more fantasy and figured Trunks going from blond to blond wouldn't make sense.
Bulma's hair gets darker as she ages because that's often how blond(e) hair works.
Though not all the time. It'd be better if it didn't, more Northern Europeans ought to breed blond on blonde.
Like in this game...Before Japan got cucked by the NWO and scared of going against their agenda.
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For those wondering why there won't be an airing of Super Strong 9 (Dragon Ball Super & One Piece) on the 24th of July, it's due to Fuji TV's Variety Festival that will air all day from 6:30 am JST until midnight. Both shows will resume airing as scheduled the following week.
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>>143863653
>Bulma used to have long hair
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>>143863700
>Whites used to have their own countries and a definite future
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>>143863683
When was bulma ever blonde?
I remember her hair being purple in dragonball color pages, but never blonde.
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How old is bulma anyway?
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>an entire episode dedicated to shitting on Gohan because they've got nothing better to do.

I guess this is what being a Sakura/Naruto fan is like, but here, I made the mistake of following the wrong character apparently
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>>143863771
>Bulma is supposed to be blonde but Akira Toriyama wanted it to be more fantasy
>fantasy
>fantasy
>Trunks going from blond to blond wouldn't make sense.
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what the fuck is goku brakku? is he actually goku or what
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>>143863778
Gohan peaked.
What you're hoping for is like me hoping that Tienshinhan will one day be able to beat Goku
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>>143863098
I just want Goten and Trunks to stop looking and acting like toddlers. Trunks and Goten were the ONLY redeemable parts of GT and I want to see Teen Gotenks already.
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Hope to see Trunks power up.
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>>143863862

>Tenshinhan will one day get stronger than gohan

Unlike Goku I could actually see this happening.
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>>143863862
Mystic gohan is way stronger than SSJ2 gohan
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>>143864030
Trunks and Goten remind me of Kid Goku. It's nice, just wish they'd train harder is all.
GT sucked though. I couldn't get into it.
Maybe it was Pan....I'm not sure why I didn't like it.
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>>143864226
Mystic Gohan was lame though...didn't accomplish anything really
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>>143863683
>This is because Bulma is supposed to be blonde
She originally was even supposed to look like this. Toriyama wanted "typical american" girl. So you can guess her hair and eye color.
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>>143864403

It was such a waste of time.

>lets spend 7394927 chapters awakening another hidden power of yours
>LOLABSORBED
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>>143864768
Them he went to this, and by her originaly planned name, is not too hard to guess what her role and relationship with Goku was intended to be.
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will this nigga finally become relevant again? he's unironically the coolest character in my opinion. too bad DBZ turned him into a jobber.
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>>143864885
Which would be?
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>>143864932
>turned him into a jobber.
What are you talking about he was never strong or really relevant in the first place?
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>>143861721
Why? Future Gohan died in a horrible way, i think Trunks would be more than happy to find that Gohan has a family now and lives a peaceful life.
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>>143861467
> Episode 051: “Feelings that Transcend Time: Trunks and Mai”
Who would've thought Cell's time machine was going to be useful later on? Also why no Mai in that episode description?

> Episode 052: “Master and Pupil Reunion: Son Gohan and ‘Future’ Trunks”
Looks like a fun sol episode. If I were Trunks, I'd be happy for Gohan, but who knows...

>No episode July 24th
Damn

> Episode 053: “Reveal Black’s True Identity! Now, Off to the Kaioshin Realm of Universe 10!”
Called it...wonder why Zamasu has such distrust with humanity? Maybe something humans did during early DBZ or DB?

>Episode 054: “lnheritor of Saiyan Blood: Trunks’ Resolve”
Vegeta training Trunks...if Trunks is SS2 now, can we expect a SS3 or SSB Trunks after training?

This saga looks like it's shaping up quite well.
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>>143861467
>>143861614
>>143861631
>>143861681
>>143861721
>>143861967
>>143862645
>>143863078
>>143863098
>>143863218
>>143863862
>>143865021

I bet ALL of you that Gohan will get already be buff again and trained. And he'll have significant power. AND contribute to the fight with Black.

If I'm wrong I'll suck all of your dicks or hold your hands.
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>>143864958

At the time of his appereance he was supposed to be the supreme ruler of the universe. Then right after the tournament he became a joke, power-wise. He didn't even get a great fight. It was disappointing for me, considering how much potential he as a character has. It would be the same if DBS would turn Zeno into a weakling out of nowhere.
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> However, Trunks is bewildered to find that the Gohan who shows up is completely different than the one he knew.

Why isn't Future Trunks as shocked by how different Kid Trunks is compared to how he grew up?

They might as well be two completely different people.
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>>143865149
Well prepare to hold my hand
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>>143865196
First off all they havemn't really interacted yet, besides I am you from the future.
second of all he had a completely different childhood so it wouldn't be that suprising if he turned out to be a biyt different.
It also could be what an another anon said.
"Realisticly" due to trunks traveling back there could be some kind of butterfly effect where bulma and vegeta did the deed a bit earlier or later which leads to a different sperm cell getting to bulma's eggs.
Which essentially makes kid trunks, future trunks his brother if that makes any sense.
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>>143865092
> Episode 051: “Feelings that Transcend Time: Trunks and Mai”
Who would've thought Cell's time machine was going to be useful later on? Also why no Mai in that episode description?

well,to make it more interesting, the title is already shocking why not add some more by not telling us
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>>143865552
sorry for the typos.
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>>143865196
> Why isn't Future Trunks as shocked by how different Kid Trunks is compared to how he grew up?
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Excited to see Trunks train with Vegeta...

Wonder if it'll be in the RoSaT or Planet Beerus?

Or maybe just a Capsule Corp gravity chamber?
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>>143864933
Her name there is "Pinch". I don't know what he means by relationship with Goku. She'd be a damsel in distress more often?
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>>143863032
"Khhk kk khkhhkk"
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Do you think Vegeta hates Kid Trunks?
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>>143865640
Because he knows that kid's life won't be shit.

At that age Trunks was alone with Gohan and Bulma. He then was down 1 father figure after the androids, and now after a good blacking he lost the other one, and all he has to show for it is PTSD, he should be like the kid from Geiger counter by now but some how he has kept his shit together.

> Proably Maifu

His alternate self has both his parents, and is rich.

He knows this, so he doesn't even question it. Of course they'd be different people.
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I wonder what Videl's reaction to Future Trunks is goin to be (if they even remember to give her one)
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>>143863491

TRUNK'S HAIR IS NOT BLUE, AND IT SERIOUSLY CAUSE SENSORY OVERLOADS IN ME!!! TOEI NEEDS TO RECALL EVERYTHING DRAGON BALL SUPER AND CHANGE TRUNKS HAIR COLOUR BACK IMMEDIATELY!!!

FOLLOW ME IN BOYCOTTING DRAGON BALL SUPER, UNTIL TOEI WISES UP, RECALLS EVERYTHING AND CHANGES HIS HAIR COLOUR BACK, NOW!!!

Join My Group, FIX TRUNK'S HAIR IMMEDIATELY, TOEI!!!, and Sign Our Petition NOW!!!
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>>143865196

It's not like Trunks ran into a version of himself that's just as old as him and is a complete bitch.
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>>143866050
Proably not given that Kid Trunks will most likely surpass Future Trunks.

He was able to tap into super saiyan at an extremely young age, and as long as he doesn't gohan his shit up, he should just keep progressing from here.
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>>143865948
Well it isn't like she never gets saved by goku out of pinch.
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>>143866208
Kys
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>>143866249
You think I am wrong.
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>>143866176
> Kid Trunks will most likely surpass Future Trunks.

>He was able to tap into super saiyan at an extremely young age

So did Kid Future Trunks. No reason why one should unlock SS as a toddler, and the other not.

It has something to do with being part of the "tail-less generation"
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>>143866286

Let's be honest: that was one thing the Anime got right over the manga. The heartbreak and pain of losing Gohan turning Future Trunks Super Saiyan was a thousand times better than however it happened here.
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>>143865168
He was a joke power-wise well before the tournament. Dabura was Cell-tier and Supreme Kai was shitting his pants at the guy.
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>>143864933
Her name was stated to be "PinCHI".
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>>143866341
yeah, until kid trunk turn into Super Saiyan because lolz than its fucked entire plot
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>Bulma will stay dead, Mai will die (again), and the future will be 100% ruined
>Trunks has no reason to go back so he stays in the present
>he gets to spend time with his Mother and father
>gets to be an older brother
>he won't change is name so we can preserve all the possible gags.

I'm calling it now guys.
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>>143866117

you do know that some people naturally change color of their hair(sometimes eyes) as they grow older...

maybe the briefs genetics is like that
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>>143862645
>>143862778
>>143862796
>I just love how Super is slowly making all those fanarts canon.
It really is amusing to see
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>>143866341
> Let's be honest: that was one thing the Anime got right over the manga. The heartbreak and pain of losing Gohan turning Future Trunks Super Saiyan was a thousand times better than however it happened here.

True, but it was inconsistent with Kid Trunks turning into a SS in the Buu Saga
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>>143861467
> Meanwhile, Vegeta tells the Trunks from the future “I’m going to give you some training”.

Finally a useful fighter other than Goku and Vegeta!

Beerus and Whis don't count.
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>>143866573

>Toei has shit quality
>Decide that now matter how much time they get their shows will still look like shit
>Just take the plot for the next episode from Pixiv ideas and make the episode intwo days, nobody notices.
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>>143866539
my family's hair goes from jet black to light brown as we get older, it's weird.
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>>143865149
Hold my hand
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>>143861467
>Episode 051: “Feelings that Transcend Time: Trunks and Mai” July 10th
>Episode 052: “Master and Pupil Reunion: Son Gohan and ‘Future’ Trunks”
>two episodes of filler SOL bullshit
>24th skipped
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>>143865226
>>143865149
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>>143867045
> Future Mai episode
> Future Trunks x Gohan episode
> "bullshit"
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>>143866895

That's exactly what happens with mine, except we're born blond too.
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>>143863098

The music in the dub here was awesome
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These all sound.....pretty great? I love how they're doing actual worldbuilding with Dragon Ball again and I love where the mystery of black is going.
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>Mfw a fucking movie from 92 has better animation than Super

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xatfSSBC5Zk

The fuck, you'd think with computers and all this digital shit it'd be so easy to make quality

Having to hand draw meant you actually had to care, so I guess that's why
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>>143867314
everything from the 90's has better animation than current animes

Is not just toei fault. Evryone went lazy because technology
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>>143867045
>Episode about Trunks and Mai's relationship as well as flashback about the resistance in the future to show the state of humanity and the desperation of Trunks
>Episode that people have literally been dying to see since the Buu saga
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>>143867314
Super fans on suicide watch
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>>143867314
>Movie
>TV Show
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>>143867314
No matter how much you try to pretend this is the case, movie budget=!TV budget no matter when the era
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>>143867314
> a fucking movie
> a MOVIE
> anon is shocked that a movie from the 90's looks better than an episode from a weekly shonen
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>>143867414
>>143867416
>>143867423

>24 year old animated movie

Nigga I guarantee you Super's budget is as big if not bigger
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>>143867314
>>143867354

Traditional cels are a thing if the past.

Everything is digital now. All anime suffers but the weekly shonens took the worst hit from this
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How the fuck did Gohan lose literally ALL of his gains

Did this nigga literally not lift anything? We know he's pussy whipped and his bitch wife probably makes him carry all the clothes shes buying with his credit cards
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>>143867505
> this is a 21 year old movie
> there is no weekly shonen in existence that has animation as good as this

That's some funny logic, anon
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>>143867505


>24 year old animated movie

We're not talking about videogame consoles, this doesn't actually mean much. Anime looked better in the 90s.
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>>143867505

Might as well compare it to disney animated movies while you're at it.
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>>143867505
I don't think you understand. Just because time passes doesn't mean budgets magically get bigger especially for weekly shounen series that have to pump out a new episode every week continuously
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>>143867580
> pussy whipped

Gohan's lack of training is probably due to having a wife, baby daughter, family to support, fulfilling his dream of being a scholar,...and the fact that he basically had NO childhood because of fighting
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>>143865149
You're either very naive or hopeful to think that this show is going to do anything other than Goku and Vegeta Battle Buddies Power Hour.

Gohan went from a pretty important character in the series (even though he wasn't the strongest)

Two of my favorite moments in the series are when Gohan fights Vegeta, because events have chased Vegeta down to a point where Gohan can even lay a finger on him, and Gohan's first REAL fight in the series is against a foe not even his dad can stand up to, and him fight. And secondly, when Future Gohan fights and loses against the Androids, because he fully believes that Trunks will save the future in his stead.

I don't care if Gohan's not the strongest, I 'just want him to be able to do SOMETHING. Instead, the series looked at him, and decided that Vegeta needs more screentime, so Gohan gets to be a shittier along with everyone else. Not even filler episodes can escape Goku/Vegeta antics.


Between that and all the shitposting about the "Church of Gohan", I feel like I made a long bet on a series and I've lost just by watching.
I'd at least be happy if he was being replaced by someone on the roster, but no, not even that.
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>>143867045
Actually, what the world needs is a Dragon Ball with less bullshit superpowers, more SOL and character development...

Also get rid of the Toriyama art style, nobody said DB had to be drawn in a specific style.
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>>143867580

>pussy-whipped

hey man -- Gohan was cool for like 5,10 minutes. He was always lame. Videl was awesome until she got married.

He ruined Videl.
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>>143867826
>>>/reddit/
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DBZ's animations was so good
sarcasm
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>>143867900

>Saiyans are identical to Japanese/Germans though.

Saiyans are space vikings.
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>>143867764
I don't get the idea that in this magical mystical world with all sorts of ways to get powerful, REALITY STRIKES whenever it comes to Gohan.

It's really not like he couldn't go to the Room of Time and Space if he wanted to stay relatively strong..
He's weak now because they don't know what else to do with him, and having him even nearly as strong as he is would invalidate any threat that isn't SSJG level
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>>143867505
> Nigga I guarantee you Super's budget is as big if not bigger (than a 24 year old MOVIE)

No it's not.

And even if it was, animators have less than a week to finish an episode, but months/years to finish a movie.
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>>143867826
>Also get rid of the Toriyama art style,
I agree with what you said until this.
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>>143866286

how old was future trunks here? the same age as kid trunks when he went ss in the buu saga?
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>>143866286

>can make a time machine
>can't make a new arm for gohan

hmm
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>>143868014
There's just less of an incentive when your dad and his best frienemy are Saiyan gods. His family and Earth are pretty much protected.

It also doesn't help that Gohan doesn't really enjoy fighting as much as the other full-blooded Saiyans do.
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>>143868098
About the same age as current DBS Kid Trunks. Maybe a couple of months to a year older at most.
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>>143867314
Are you sure anon? That animation looked pretty weird in certain places.
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>>143868702
It had perfect animation shut up!
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>>143868747
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>>143861631
>>143861681
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>>143865711
>>143862609
>>143861927
mfw I called Vegeta training Trunks weeks ago

now if only we can get training for both of them
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>>143861467
GOHAN WILL START TRAINING AGAIN WITH TRUNKS

YOU'LL SEE

YOU'LL ALL SEE
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Is Black to Kaioshin Zamasu like:

The Ginyu Force is to Freeza?
The Androids is to Cell?
The Babadi/Dabura is to Buu?
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>>143863683
Her hair was purple in the beginning of the dragon ball manga tho
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>>143869270

Yeah, I'm not sure where they got the blond thing from.
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>>143869270
>>143869371
It's just a reference to a hair color that commonly changes color over time, also see
>>143864885
>>143864768
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>>143863197
the editors for the preview had some fun with that
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>>143863312

Cause Trunks had Dr. Briefs hair color and it was cool
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>>143868903
Seriously, Vegeta is the only character why I'm still watching this show, so I'm as ecstatic as you.
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>>143868956
They seem to wave the nostalgia flag at the Cell arc in this one, with Future Trunks being in it, the time machine Cell stole, Black clutching his chest a lot like he's got the heart virus.

Maybe like the actual Android/Cell arc, Gohan will do nothing until the end.
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>>143868956
I hope Vegeta trains both of them.
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>>143867826
>Dragon Ball with less bullshit superpowers, more SOL and character development
yes
>Also get rid of the Toriyama art style
no
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>>143867826
>Actually, what the world needs is a Dragon Ball with less bullshit superpowers, more SOL and character development...
Mix in a little monster of the week and let other characters beat them and Super would actually be pretty-

>Also get rid of the Toriyama art style, nobody said DB had to be drawn in a specific style.
For a second, I thought you were smart.
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>>143866286

I always assumed the reason Goten and Trunks got easy super Saiyan access was because both of their dad's were in their super Saiyan states when their mom's were impregnated.
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>>143869937
Yeah Goku had sex with Chi-Chi as a Super Saiyan.
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>>143869937
Goten yes, Trunks no. Trunks was born before Vegeta had the transformation. I'd say Trunks had it easier because he had access to the gravity chamber and a strong training partner early.
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>>143869601
now if Future Trunks can be the one who beats Black
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>>143865021
Because sad miserable people want others to feel sad and miserable. See emos.
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>>143869937
Vegeta was a SS in Future Trunks' timeline too
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Wouldn't Trunks know or have a feeling that Gohan would grow into a softie. He was there during the Cell games with Piccolo yelling at Goku, of you're son hates fighting.

To Him thats A Recent Memory. I guess it's not to Tori. But he did remember cell's time machine
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>>143871248
For Trunks, DBZ ended on the Cell arc. That means Goku died for real and successfully pass the torch to Gohan, the latter is the new protector of Earth. Trunks found out Goku is alive, now he's going to find out why Goku is alive
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>>143871248
Trunks had to go back 17 years, that isn't so recent to him. Also he might think more about what Future Gohan was like.

Also, the "Gohan hates fighting" thing could be easy to forget since he went ssj2 a little while later.
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someone post that goku black sexy walk webm
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>>143871520
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yXvW9i8NYY
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>>143873152
Come here you beautiful Gine poster
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>>143873152
>tfw you're a piece of shit that never amounted to anything compared to your much more successful younger brother and the only one who ever cared about you was your mom

If I died, I would be forgotten just like Raditz
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>>143873359
That's all he needs anon
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>>143873308
>Bardock: You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kakarotto. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.
And according to DBO, Gohan wrote a book teaching normies how to control ki and in the future humans are mixed with saiyans

POETRY
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>>143873511
>>143873308
Forgot pic
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>>143873308
already here

>>143873359
Raditz might as well have stayed with his mom
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>>143873834
Good. Now never leave
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>>143873891
>leave
afraid i have to do just that for a short time anon
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>>143866489
Don't give false hope.
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>>143866630
>>143867045
>>143867792
So only Goku, Trunks, Vegeta and maybe Whis and Beerus are going to go to U10?
Not even Piccolo? This is what bothers me in Super, Goku and Vegeta as Kakarrot's bichboy are so boring as MCs. Goku is too retarded to have some development, Vegeta's development is to turn into a bitchboy and be a buttmonkey. That's why SoL episodes are good, because the rest of the characters are allowed to be in the spotlight.
I think after Trunks' arc is done I will drop Super.
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>>143871248
>>143871338
I think Trunks is going to be impressed with how sad and worried FGohan was in contrast with PGohan who had a change to be happy.
But fuck it, Toei is really going to make Gohan to stay in his house reading books while FTrunks is going to face a threat? Gohan at least would offer his help.
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>>143875233
What could Gohan do against Black? Offering him a book? Blacks can't read
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>>143865552
You fucking idiot , baby Trunks was already born when Future Trunks went back in time to kill Freeza
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>>143874981
> So only Goku, Trunks, Vegeta and maybe Whis and Beerus are going to go to U10?

Don't jump to conclusions. Nothing is confirmed in regards to that.
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>>143864768
>>143864885

Source for these Proto Designs?

Where did you get these?

Is there something for chichi?

PLEASE ANSWER
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>>143874981
>So only Goku, Trunks, Vegeta and maybe Whis and Beerus are going to go to U10?

The summary only mentions Goku, Whis and Beerus, no Vegeta or anyone else. I thought they'd get rid of Goku for a while by locking him in the future, but it looks more like now that might be the way they'll keep him away before he can arrive to get the final battle.
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>>143875727
> What could Gohan do against Black?

Maybe Gohan can get angry?

Getting angry made him as a baby jump from nothing to stronger than Raditz.

It also allowed him to hurt 2nd and final form Freeza
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>>143863599
Bulma always pops a boner from me in super, especially when shes talking shit about Beerus to his face.
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>>143875923
Not that anon, and don't know the source...

But I've seen that exact prototype for Bulma many times. Also Goku was literal half-monkey, and Oolong was a huge pig with a coat.

Nothing for Chi-chi iirc
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Friendly reminder it was mentioned that currently even fucking Piccolo is stronger than Gohan
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>>143871942

>>143875233
>Gohan at least would offer his help.
lets hope he at least does that. Especially after he hears how Trunks lost his loved ones.
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>>143875810
No he wasn't, he was an infant during the actual fight with the androids, which was three years laterr
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>>143876378
> even fucking Piccolo is stronger than Gohan

Lol no
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>>143876378
>>143876903

Manga: Vegeta wanted to recruit Gohan instead of Piccolo

Anime: They flat out recruit Gohan. He then cancels last minute due to a conference, and Piccolo takes his place.
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>>143876967
See this is what i mean Gohan or rather half blooded saiyans can fr surpass full blooded ones, but here is the kicker they don't have the trill of the fight as the full blood saiyans do. It's a double edge sword really.
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>>143876967
the manga
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>>143876967
Vegeta doesn't even hang around Gohan so he wouldn't know how weak he became. That's why Goku said he was a bookworm and suggested that they choose piccolo instead.

By the end of DBZ piccolo is stronger than a Super Saiyan.
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>>143876967
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>>143877141
> Goku said he was a bookworm

Which is true. Doesn't mean Gohan's weaker.

Goku/Vegeta recruiting him in the anime, and then replace him with Piccolo because of a conference should confirm this...

Gohan has too many responsibilities to be in a tourney with no stakes.
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>>143877699
Ironically, Gohan would've come in handy for that written test part of the tournament and slightly balanced out the team.
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>>143869601
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>>143878064
Fitting that most GT-like arc of Super has a baby Vegeta.
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>>143878064
> Superhuman Water filler mini-arc

Is this because the manga has fallen behind?
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Who's got the better waifu?
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>>143867314
Why did you pick the ugliest movie? Seriously. Cooler's Return is the ugliest of all DBZ movies.
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>>143861467 (OP) #
>Episode 053: “Reveal Black’s True Identity! Now, Off to the Kaioshin Realm of Universe 10!” July 31st
>After realizing that Black has the same ki as Zamasu, Universe 10’s apprentice Kaioshin
>Episode 054: “lnheritor of Saiyan Blood: Trunks’ Resolve” August 7th
>Though they know that Zamasu and Black have extraordinarily similar ki they are unable to obtain any proof that the two are the same person

So they aren't the same person, just really similar? Feels like Zamasu is maybe just a distraction to Black's real identity. They don't have the same potara earrings for one thing, could be someone else.
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>>143876378
you do realize nerfed gohan is STILL stronger than piccolo, right?
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>>143879198
It's to early to tell if that Trunks is the same Trunks in dragon ball super
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So Kaioshin Zamasu and Black both have "similar ki"...but at the same time, they're existing concurrently?

So this is not Zamasu possessing Future Goku? At least not Baby Vegeta-style possession...
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>>143879572
> you do realize nerfed gohan is STILL stronger than piccolo, right?

Exactly. See:
>>143876903
>>143876967
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>>143877141
SSJ Gohan defeated a villain stronger than his Mystic form. He is actually stronger, just rusty as fuck.
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>>143879470
> (OP) #

having a little trouble there?

But I like the direction they are going with this, Black seems extremely popular among this board, and it be such a disappointment to see this "dark goku" to be a temporary thing.

I will only be satisfied with a black death if a Trunks who is pushed to SSJ3 delivers the killing blow.
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>>143879198
Is Time Patrol Trunks the same as Cell Saga Trunks?

Because if so, then Time Patrol Trunks is also DBS Trunks
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>>143879198
Mai > Gine

Because one is relevant and actually exists in the anime.
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>>143879686
Yes. Otherwise the guy is way to invested into the Z fighters life.
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>>143868960
Nah, he'll be the universe 4 zamasu
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>>143879198
Trunks, obviously.
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>>143879684
Super saiyan 3? Black is a threat to all space and time, and he even gets the attention of the omni king. Super saiyan 3 ain't enough
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>>143879684
>I will only be satisfied with a black death if a Trunks who is pushed to SSJ3 delivers the killing blow.
Of course Trunks will deliver. Thats' why Vegeta is going to train him. If not then, why the fuck Trunks is in the past then?
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>>143879863
I don't recall there being counterparts to actual people in other universes. Frost maybe, but he just looks similar to Frieza and is clearly a different person.

The fact that the potara earring is green/gold makes it strikingly similar to Demigra's earrings.
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>>143879997
It's going to be awkward when trunks already has blue hair going to super saiyan cyan
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>>143879997
>why the fuck Trunks is in the past then?
To give Goku a new enemy.
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How would SS3 Goku fare against Black?

He seemed to have issues with Black as SS2, and Black wasn't really trying...
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>>143880390
I think Black's most threatening quality is his time manipulation, not strength.

Apparently, Black can go into the future at will. He only now went to the past for a bit because of the time distortion Trunks created.
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>>143864226
Didn't look like that, the way they showed Gohan SSJ2 his power (kamehameha out of nowhere, slapping away a special beam cannon, holding those discs etc.) made Gohan look stronger than even SSJBlue
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>>143879198
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So let me get this straight...

F. Trunks created an alternate timeline when he went back to stop the Androids. Said timeline continued as the current setting of Dragon Ball canon. Does this mean F. Trunks' reality is the "proper" course for Universe 7, or is there something I'm missing here?
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>>143875959

Even in the Buu Saga, Gohan had trouble getting angry. He''s an adult now with better control of his emotions. Anger isn't really going to help him.
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>>143880488
Big whoop I go to the future ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Literally I can't even stop it's happening as I type this,
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Only way I could see Gohan actually getting back in the game is if somebody decided to mess with his comfy family life. The entire series has shown us that Gohan is only properly motivated to fight to protect or avenge the people around him.

I doubt it would ever happen, but I can't even imagine what kind of reaction it would invoke in him if after all these years of having finally achieved the life he always wanted, somebody showed up on his doorstep and took it all away from him.

Gohan must never be happy. I want him to suffer.
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>>143881441
Yeah, you're right anon.
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>>143881856
if it didnt take Piccolo dying for one hundredth time and him getting his shit kicked in from Beerus and Frieza for him to "get back in the the game", he should stay a background character or accept his fate as the second Yamcha.
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>>143881856
Exactly. I mean how else would he have been a cool badass in Future Trunk's timeline.
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>>143881299
Glad someone here has there priorities straight
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>Goku and the gang resolve to repair that time machine and go to the future in pursuit of Black.
Man, I was hoping that Bulma would reverse engineer the thing and build one of those huge time machines from DB Online. Travelling to the future is gonna be a tight squeeze
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>>143882209

Always, fellow Ginefag
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>>143881585
He got Mystic because he got angry, he was able to call Goku because he was angry.
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>>143882069
Yamcha couldn't keep up with the main cast even if he wanted to. Gohan's restraint is motivation, not ability. Given his potential, he could probably catch up with the big hitters pretty quickly if he trained hard enough.
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>>143882507
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>>143881856
>>143882074
He only needs to see how sad Trunks is to offer his help.
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>>143882581
>>
> Gine is dead
> you will NEVER see her interact with anyone
> you might never even see her animated
> ever
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>>143881585
If somebody came to his house and beat Videl senselessly and kidnaped his daughter, I doubt Gohan would have much of a problem getting angry.
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>>143882618
>>143882710

I want to see an animated Gine, but I don't think I could stomach Dragon Ball Minus animated. Oh also delete this.
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>>143882811
Dragon Ball Minus is too short to animate.

Literally it's just one single chapter from the Jaco manga. If they animate it, it'll have to be heavily padded with filler.
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>>143882710
>>143882811
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>>143882902
Like History of Trunks
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>>143882742
Obviously. I'm talking about getting angry for the sake of getting angry. Killing someone or torturing someone works.
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>>143883033
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>>143883181
what are the chances of a video game appearance?
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>>143879198
I like both Gine and Mai but.. I prefer Mai

>>143883381
>what are the chances of a video game appearance?
she already has two. fusion and the assist role in 3ds butoden
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>>143883381
>>143883582
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>>143883618
>>143883582
Happy, but I meant something more along the lines of Xenoverse.

or BT4
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>>143883672
Someday anon. Xenoverse 2 roster is still unknown to us. You never know.
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>>143877117
manga is better than the anime. Unless you're into plot inconsistencies and bad writing such as Hit's powerups for the sake of "growth", SSB stacking with Kaioken or the fact that Goku moves through stopped time.
The only thing the manga suffers from is the fact that it's a monthly so it feels extremely rushed to keep up with the anime.
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>>143883672
>>143883618
>>143883582

forgot Gine
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>>143883721
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I know i'm late for the party, but wasn't Gohan shown in the op as having the blue hair transformation? He could become relevant again, if the op is anything to be taken into consideration.
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>>143883712
>>143883767

I know they got Black, which is honestly enough to make me preorder. Bastards got me with dirty tricks. But shit if Gine was in Xenoverse
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>>143882599
Even if sad Trunks was somehow enough to motivate Gohan to join the fray, he'd likely just be useless fodder without a stronger motivation to fight.

He'd still be reluctant to do anything that puts his life in serious danger knowing there's a family back home that needs him. Unless you change up that equation, his heart just probably wouldn't be in to it.
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>>143883778
no maybe you're thinking of Goku.
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>>143883778
>wasn't Gohan shown in the op as having the blue hair transformation?
Nope
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>>143883846
Indeed, just checked the op and it shows only Goku. I saw a gif here on /a/ which had the same style of "black drop transformation", as in Gohan having the blue ki flowing through him and showing his hair as blue.

I actually found the link I sent to a friend, but it was over a month ago so t'was 404 already.
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>>143883793

Stay strong anon.
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>>143884146
always
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>>143883821
Are you talking about Gohan? Gohan has a strong sense of justice, FTrunks is his friend and he gets mad when someone threats his family/friends.
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>>143884214

Let's hope the current writers of Super remember that...
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>>143884209
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>>143884297
So anyone got any well thought out theories on who or what Black might be? Any Goten fags still grasping at straws?
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>>143883582
>>143883896

>>143884214
>FTrunks is his friend and he gets mad when someone threats his family/friends.

Honestly. If F Trunks tells him about F Bulma and F Mai and he still won't offer help..
it's pretty much over
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>>143884415
>>143884297

Forgot Gine again, fuck
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>>143876967
>>143877245


I like the casual way the cast speaks in the manga. Makes it feel early Toriyama like.
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>Take a joke character and make them serious and important to the plot to the point of them seeming very out of character.
What's next, Is yajirobe and Launch going to play a important role in the next arc? Super is garbage with it's fan pandering.
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>>143879598
It could still be zamasu... Just future zamasu?... If they go to universe 10 they will be visiting present day zamasu.

Every thing is fucky cause of the time travel stuff and future trunks timeline being a completely different future.
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>>143884415
>>143884549

Once he introduced himself as Goku, Gotenfags let go.

I think he's a Kai enjoying the use of a dead Goku's body. His ki replaced dead Goku's.
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>>143876967
>>143877245
completely forgot the pilaf gang actually joined them watching the u6 tournament in the manga
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>>143884668
That's what I thought to, but apparently the KI is just extremely similar, still I am thinking possession
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>>143884419

>>143884588
That's character development anon
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>>143884759

It's kinda fucked up though. Nobody in that timeline gets peace.
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>>143884588
Future Pilaf and Shu are probably dead, anon. And it was probably Black that killed them. Even Mai would nut up at that point.
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>>143884884
>Future Pilaf and Shu sacrificed they're own lives so Mai could live
dark
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>>143884830

>>143884668
>a Kai enjoying the use of a dead Goku's body. His ki replaced dead Goku's.

At this point. That or something similar to that seems the most likely
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>>143884689
Goku really doesn't remember who they are, does he?
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>>143884880

> Father and Friends taken before he got to meet them

> Spent his whole life in hiding until mentor believes its time

> mentor dies believing the future is in goo hands

> He is correct, Trunks defeats Cell and the Androids!

> Jk lol Waifu and mom BLACKED

Being future Trunks is suffering
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>>143884830
You only care because she's hot.If it was some other DB joke character that was turned into a important character you would think it was stupid.
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>>143884252
>>143884419
Toei is a bunch of hacks whose fanfiction was Dragon Ball Goku Time and the author is even worse. I expect dissapoiment. Super is Goku and Vegeta: the series.
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>>143861467
>Zamasu (who distrusts humanity)
What the fuck did the humans of Universe 10 do to make this faggot despise them so much he started crossing dimensions to kill every version of them in the multiverse?

Also, what are the chances that there will be a reveal that the humans of Universe 6 weren't killed by an internal war, but by Black Goku?
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Which spin-off had Bulma and Jaco going off somewhere in his ship?
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>>143885036
>>143884999
>>143884884
>>143884967

I'm getting sad, anons.

>>143885105
Probably saw 2chan.
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>>143883618
Is there anything Fusions doesn't have?
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>>143884967
>F Trunks and F Mai first meet at a graveyard while paying respect to the people they lost

>>143885030
>Goku really doesn't remember who they are, does he?
He didn't even seem to remember Arale
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>>143885143
A western release date?
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>>143885143

English localization?
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>>143885048
>You only care because she's hot
Nah, I wouldn't even care about Mai if it wasn't for Trunks desu. But now that she is doing more stuff I started to like her too.

>If it was some other DB joke character that was turned into a important character you would think it was stupid.
As long as it's done well, I see no problem with that.
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>>143884689
>>143885030

At least he noticed Gohan wasn't there.
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You people thinking Trunks is gonna be dissapointed in Gohan or that Trunks will persuade Gohan to keep up his strength are delusional. Super is not going to do a single things to shake up the Goku/Vegeta/Beerus/Whis formula.
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>>143885030
I'll bet real, solid money that Goku only remembers them from the perspective as his child self, so he doesn't realize they're the same people because Pilaf and Shu aren't as tall as him/Mai isn't taller.
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"Beerus The God of Destruction..?"

Oh...you mean my house cat mittens.
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>>143881585
>Even in the Buu Saga, Gohan had trouble getting angry.
That isn't true in the slightest. He took the whole Stopping Buu From Reviving thing pretty seriously, and was pretty earnest about getting his turn to fight. Hell, he doesn't even let the bank robbers give him any shit.

The only time see him taking it things easy when he's trying to go to school.
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>>143885355
feed your Mittens some a black carrot.
He would like that
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>>143884214
He does have a strong sense of justice, but he needs to be particularly angry and fighting with reckless abandon to properly utilize his potential.

Obviously he hates to see anybody get hurt, but not everyone's suffering is enough to invoke his true fighting strength. His immediate family has taken such a huge priority in his life that I think if the writers wanted to be serious about giving Gohan anything more than a background role at this point, they'd have to involve his wife or daughter in some sort of situation.
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He said himself he couldn't get angry like in the Cell games when trying to stop Buu from hatching.
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>>143885355
This reads like a facebook RP
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>>143885320
He will tell Gohan that his waifu is shit and that even his maifu was better.
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>>143885355
>>143885492
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Fuck, I hate Gine so much.
>>143874981
I don't know what I hate more, all of the Vegeta circlejerking, or the fact that Vegeta fans aren't even happy with the portrayal of the character they complained about jobbing for decades.

You people got what you wanted. This is it.
THIS is it.
You don't know how much I'd love that to be Piccolo in his place, but he doesn't have a super form to market off of.
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>>143885492
>Broly vs. Black
Not gonna lie, that would be awesome
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>>143885355
>>143885492
>>143885578
Super Saiyan God Bardock vs Super Saiyan 4 Broly WHEN
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>>143884252
They're not going to fucking remember it.
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>>143884608
Zamasu and Black don't even have the same potara earring though. My guess is Zamasu is the decoy for Goku/Beerus to accuse of being Black Goku, while the real identity of Black is another kaioshin or someone with ties to Zamasu or who is able to give off a similar ki signature.
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>>143885501
Gohan isn't a little kid anymore.
He's never been afraid to jump into the fray, even when they might not stand a chance.

Doesn't anyone remember the Freeza Saga? Gohan lead the charge after Freeza's first transformation, while Vegeta tried running away instead.

I'm afraid/quite certainly this episode is just them going to be handwaving away why Gohan won't do anything with some lame excuse.
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>>143885762

Why the fuck does Gohan even need to be there for his family when they always have Piccolo babysitting her? He can at least help Trunks out. I'm fucking mad.
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>Meanwhile, the Trunks from the future goes to meet Gohan, who had been his master in the world of the future. However, Trunks is bewildered to find that the Gohan who shows up is completely different than the one he knew.

Gohanfags BTFO, looks like he's staying a jobber alongside Future Trunks
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>>143885355
t. Intelligent, Nihilistic and with a Wicked Sense of Humor Broly
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>>143886040
>Yamcha went from important in DB to garbage in DBZ.
>Gohan went from important in DBZ to garbage in DBS.
>Gohan is the new yamcha
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>>143886241
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>>143885549
Why are you implying I am Vegeta fan?
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So if I've watched the last two movies, what can I skip in the show?
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>>143886487
Start at episode 27
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>>143885501
Please, watch Super's BoG. Gohan wants Earth to be at peace, FTrunks is his friend and both of them want the same thing. Gohan is the one who can understand FTrunks the most. Neither of them fight for the power, they do because they want to protect.
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>>143885535
>He will tell Gohan that his waifu is shit
Finally someone points how shitty and puke inducing Videl in Super is.
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>>143886569
Will I have missed any cool slice of life moments?
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>>143886241
Assuming the writers have well and truly decided to relegate Gohan to complete irrelevant status, he's still not the new Yamcha.

What defines Yamcha isn't the fact that he went from a significant character to a nobody, as the same is true of Krillen as well. It's the fact that he failed at literally everything in life. He's died about 1000 times, and got cucked by Vegeta. Gohan is one of the few characters to never even die once, and he got the family and career he always wanted.
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>>143886670
Gohan died in the Buu saga the only character to never die is Babba and Hercule.
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>>143885762
>why Gohan won't do anything with some lame excuse.
Remember how Gohan wanted to go to the tournament to see how much he had improved? How serious he was? How he apologized to everyone for having to attend his collague meeting?
That's the Gohan I know and the one they are going to flush down the toilet for some lame excuse.
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>>143886769
My bad, my memory is a little fuzzy on the latter half of the Buu saga.
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>>143886241
Thanks for remaind me how shitty Toriyama's writing is.
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>>143886641
Watch episodes 1,2, 18, 37, 44 and 46~.
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>>143886569
It's actually episode 28, 27 is Freeza's death.
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I want FTrunks and Gohan to fuse and then beat up Vegeta and Goku for being shitty dads.
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>>143886670
you know living a happy life is like getting killed off in the dragonball since everybody has to be constantly goofing off or constipated
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>>143886408
how is Yamcha so fucking strong without training? Could he be a Saiyan?
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>>143887036
and then fuck their moms?
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>>143886930
But Super does the ending to Resurrection F so much better than the movie.
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>>143887036
>Goku Shitty dad
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>>143887164
I agree with that, especially the explosion part
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>>143887207

Well anon he's not wrong...
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>>143861467
>Ep. 52
Don't give a shit about Gohan to be honest, but who said that he's different in a bad way?
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>>143887394

Anons interpreted it that way
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>>143887361
How is Goku a shitty dad, sure he's not number 1 dad N/A bad is a stretch.
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>>143887394
gohan had to protect his friends from the androids and now he probably can't even do that because he's a total pussy
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>>143887207
Goku is an especially shitty father. At least Vegeta's parenting skills are somewhat debatable.

Goku always treated Gohan as a child version of himself when he wasn't like that at all. Gohan would probably be severely traumatized right now had Piccolo not been around to act like a real father to Gohan.
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>>143887100
Guess he keeps himself in shape at least somewhat
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>>143887100
He lifts
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>>143887630

Does Goku remember Goten?
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>>143886241
>Yamcha
>important in DB

Is this supposed to be ironic? Yamcha was completely irrelevant in DB.
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>>143887735
That's form the Son Goku and Friends OVA though. I'm pretty sure if he were drawn now he'd look as skinny as Gohan. His chinese clothing looks way too loose so he can't be hiding much muscle there.
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>>143887630
>Vegeta's parenting skills are somewhat debatable
I like how Vegeta said to not worry and they will find another way to get into the future that's a nice touch Vegeta came along way
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>>143887361
>...
Also he is wrong retard.
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Will Future Trunks be allowed to be the one to finish Black in the end?
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>>143887583
Surely he got a boost from getting his shit kicked in by Frieza?
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>>143887630
>Vegetal good father
>Literally never held/hugged Trunks until he was 8

>Piccolo real father
>Kidnappes Gohan
>Leaves him alone in the wilderness for 6 months

>Goku raised Gohan for 5 years
>When Gohan was kidnapped by Raditz Goku went straight to get him even though he had no chance to beat him
>Sacrifices himself to save Gohan
>Saves Gohan from getting curbed stomped by Nappa
>Saves Gohan from near death on Namek
>Saves Gohan from Freeza twice
>Trains with Gohan for 3 years
>Spends a year with Gohan in The RoSAT
>Sacrifices himself again to fix Gohan's mistake
>Choses to stayed dead so that villains won't keep coming and threating to attack the Earth
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>>143887893

He didn't even realize Gohan didn't want to fight Cell until Piccolo fucking told him you dumbass.
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>>143888155
Gohan was the only one who could beat Cell, retard. He didn't have a choice.
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>>143887893
That's not any different than how he reacts to any of his friends getting threatened.

Goku thinks Gohan is his friend instead of his son. Is there any part of Goku that is reflected in Gohan via parenting? Piccolo, Krillin, and hell, even arguably Vegeta taught Gohan more than ever learned from Goku.

That's not even mentioning the fact that Goku and Goten don't even seem like they know each other.
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>>143888289
He gave cell a senzu bean, just before his fight.
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>>143888359
Chi-Chi never told Goku she was pregnant.
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>>143888359
>That's not any different than how he reacts to any of his friends getting threatened.
So?

>Piccolo, Krillin, and hell, even arguably Vegeta taught Gohan more than ever learned from Goku.
Retarded confirmed, read the manga faggot.
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yoka yoka dance! yoka yoka dance
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>>143888359
>Goku and Goten don't even seem like they know each other.
All these faggots saying that Goku is a shit father keep proving themselves to be fools
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>>143888105
We can play the same game.

>Piccolo
>Died for Gohan in the Saiyan saga.
>Be a parental figure to him to the point Gohan told Chi Chi to shup up because he was going to go to Namek to bring back to live daddy Piccolo.
>Gohan used Piccolo's gi instead of Goku's.
Piccolo saved Gohan from second form Frieza.
>Savef Gohan from Vegeta and told the manlet if he hurt Gohan one more time he was going to kill him.
>Spend time with Gohan while Goku was in space.
>Share a mind link with Gohan.
>Understand Gohan isn't a fighting freak.
>Was willing to die protecting Gohan from Cell.
>Stay with Gohan while Goku lived la vida loca in the otherwold.
>Protected son's waifu, Goku in the other hand offered her to Old Kai.
>Spend time with his son's family everyday.
>Takes care of son's child.
>Is protective of son's child, know the likes and dislikes of son's child.
>His name is one of son's child first words.
>Son asked him to train him, not Goku. Hell even Vegeta is going to train FTrunks while Goku can't bother to train Goten.
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>>143888359
Goku treats all his friends like family.
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>>143888568
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>>143888645
Agree Piccolo is a good person, also so is Goku and you saying he's a shitty father is just silly.
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>>143888643
>All these faggots saying that Goku is a shit father keep proving themselves to be fools
Post a page where Goten, a child, is asked to do his father's job because muh training. Goku still complains.
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>>143888698
Goku is a shitty father because he is a literal retard. Training is more important than anything else. Piccolo is more a father to Gohan than Goku.
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>>143888643
>Makes his son do chores that he was supposed to do
>Complains because he wants to train

You're the faggot here.
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>>143888795
What has Piccolo done with Gohan, that Goku hasn't.
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>>143888645

Woah I never realize that Piccolo was such a cuck.
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>>143888695
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>>143888835
Oh no he asks his son to help out every now and than, when can we expect child services to come.
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>>143888795
>because he is a literal retard.
>Piccolo is more a father to Gohan than Goku.
The irony.
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>>143888795
>literal retard
He's not. Goku actual probably smarter than half the cast. He's just naive. When Kami trained Goku at the end of DB he learned all about the world and people. Goku is not dumb at all, he just lack's judgment.
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>>143888740
>>143888835
Actually he wanted to take a break to eat faggots and Goten was happy to help.
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>>143888645
>Asked Kabito Kai to make him a uniform just likes his dad's "The Greatest fighter in the world"
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Future Bulma is the best Bulma prove me wrong
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>>143888740

>Goku stops training to be a good parent
>Bad guy appears and kills everyone
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>>143888881
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How my fellow Gohanfags doing?
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>>143888105
>>143888289
What you're citing is reasons why Goku is good protector of Earth, but not a good father.

He clearly decided that fighting is more important to him than parenting. I don't entirely blame him for not being around during the brief time he was dead due to sacrificing himself in the Raditz saga, but everything after that showed he was clearly detached from Gohan's upbringing.

Letting Gohan go to Namek so they could revive their friends is a clear example that Gohan's safety is no more important to Goku than his dead friends.

Same for the cell saga. He pushed his son towards a somewhat sadist mindset in order to beat cell. A better father would have tried everything with in his power to avoiding subjecting his son to extreme suffering to save Earth. Given the exponential power growth of Sayians, I'm sure there could have been another option than forcing Gohan in to the savior spot.
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>>143888993
forgot the pic
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>>143889020
She's so good, she's on fire.
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>>143889036
>Goku is such a retard that he lets the bad guy get stronger
>still kills everyone
lol
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>>143889064
Could be better.
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>>143889064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKmRkS1os7k
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>>143888643
>>143889072

Why did Goten need saving here? He's already got super strength and can fly. This is stupid shit.
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>>143889070
>What you're citing is reasons why Goku is good protector of Earth, but not a good father.
Wrong retard read the thread.
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>>143889090

>Lol
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>>143889177
>gets proven wrong
>might as well green text a part and add a reaction image to make myself feel better
sad
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>>143889167
Goku is just being protective, you autistic faggot.
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>>143889266

Drop your pants, I'll show you a faggot.
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>>143889167
That tractor probably costs alot of money
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>>143889064
doing allright, could do better though,
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>>143888367
>>143888367
>>143888367
>>143888367
>>143888367

Everyone who is trying to defend Goku's parenting needs to address this question right now or else your arguments are complete shit.
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>>143873891
>>143874381
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>>143888843
Understand him, value his presence more than training, spend time with Pan without being forced to stay in the same house and to take care of her because he destroyed his house, understand her likes and dislikes, be one of Pan's first words. Be the first option when Gphan needs to ask someone to train him, have that level of respect and trust.
>>143888845
If Piccolo would have a penis Goku would be the cuck. Piccolo is Chi Chi's second husband.
>>143888926
Posting one page when Piccolo and Gohan have more moments, movies and OVAs where they show how deep thwir bond is.
>>143888977
He is, anon. At this point he only knows how to count from 1 to ten, only acts paternal because Chi Chi tells him how. Goku is a retard.
>>143888993
Then he forgot about his job.
>>143888997
Then he lost it, use a green outfit instead.
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>>143889064
Reminder for Gohan "fans"
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>>143889331
He thought Gohan had a hard on for fighting like he does and wanted to fight him at 100%
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>>143889090

In the end of the days he is the one that saves the day. The other characters (Gohan included) are allowed to have family lives because Goku is there to train/fight for them.

They like their happy lives and Goku is happy fighting.
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>>143889299
>>143889129
>>143889413

We're gonna be okay bros. Episode 52 will be good.

>>143889422
Because he doesn't know his son doesn't like to fucking fight.
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>>143889167
he's still kid, he didn't pass Piccolo's training method
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>>143889413
Yes.
>>143889422
Then Gohan's daddy told him how stupid he was because Gohan wasn't him.
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>>143889401
>OVAs
>He also lost Piccolos outfit
>Show me more canon moments that Piccolo has with Gohan than Goku besides saving him
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>>143862645
Why does Gohan have glasses, while future Gohan doesn't.
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>>143888977
Goku is fucking clueless outside of fighting IQ. This is been true throughout the entire series.
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>>143889543
To look smarter.
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>>143889401
>Posting one page when Piccolo and Gohan have more moments,
Dumbass I was calling out this retard >>143888795 by posting a page of Goku driving a hover car.


>movies and OVAs
Non-canon shit
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>>143889439
Everyone could learn to defend themselves and kill the villain a la FTrunks' style. Earth still exists because the dragon balls fix Goku's mess.
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>>143889449
>>143889498
Well Gohan never told Goku, what's Goku going to do if Gohan doesn't tell him
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>>143889439
>days he is the one that saves the day.
more like he needs outside sources t bail his ass out you mean.
face it Goku is a failure
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>>143889543
Superman easteregg.
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>>143889543
He wants to look smarter, anon.
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>>143889567
Read the series retard.
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>>143889575
>>143889636
>>143889638
So he's one of those hipsters that like to wear fake glasses
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Next arc will be about goten

Right bros?
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>>143888843
Actually know him? Actually make a personal connection to him?

Gohan idealizes Piccolo as a father figure. He idealizes Goku as a strong and just fighter, but barely as a father. No different than how a kid looks up to John Cena.
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>>143889401

>Piccolo is not a cuck

>Takes care of other man child
>The same guy that killed his father
>The same guy that calls him weak

Yup that is a cuck but lets twist the knife

>Piccolo loves pan and expends all of his free time with her but she calls Goku grampa after a just one day

He is the nanny at best.
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>>143889706

I bet you Chi-Chi made him do it.
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>>143889724
>Gohan idealizes Piccolo as a father figure.
Nice headcanon
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>>143889728
That's not what a cuck is, you dumb teenager
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>>143889716

Who is this?
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>>143889716
sure anon. keep hoping for that
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>>143889658
Goku's side profile smile always makes me laugh.
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>>143889784
>>143889724

Didn't Gohan refer to Piccolo as his uncle?
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>>143889064
I'm here senpai. I'm the one who started the whole "Goku is a shit father" debate.
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>>143889761
wouldn't surprise me.
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>>143889594

Nah Japan loves him so much that they rejected his faggot son for him, he is the most popular character of the franchise and he is always going to take the spotlight in the crucial during the most important moments.

He is a success.
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>>143889658

Anyone wants some younger Bulma?
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>>143889842
>"Goku is a shit father" debate.
>Gohanfag
Great not only a retard but most likely projecting as well.
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>>143889020
I have a theory about Future Bulma. If you notice F Bulma only really thought highly of Goku out of all the Z fighters. In the future Bulma didn't have a chance to get close to Vegeta because he died too quickly. I think this Bulma is the one that is still kinda carrying a torch for Goku. Like shown at the end of DB and Namek. That's why Future Trunks is so polite and looks up to Goku. It's because his mother was probably always talking how great he was.

Which would make her death by Black even sadder.
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>>143889877
Yes please.
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>>143889968

I have her daughter who is younger. Sorry.
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>>143889926
What makes her death even sadder is that Goku killed her and she's the whole reason the series happens.
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>>143884588

>What's next, Is yajirobe and Launch going to play a important role in the next arc?

That would be awesome. Yes, please.
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>>143889819
>>143889796
Goten will be relevant again! You just wait
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>>143889525
>>143889784
>>143889577
Android/Cell saga
Gohan saved Piccolo from Dr. Gero.
Gohan had to be restrained because he wanted to go with Piccolo who was facing Cell.
>Buu saga.
A pic of Gohan presenting Goten to Piccolo.
Gohan showing Piccolo his outfit.
Piccolo protecting Gohan's identity from Shapner.
>BoG
Gohan cheering Piccolo to sing.
>Gohan enjoying Piccolo's singing.
>RoF
Piccolo spending time with Gohan's family.
>Super
Piccolo havind dinner every night with Gohan's family. Piccolo having his own room in Gohan's house.
And tecnically Gohan never lost his pure gi, he just grew up.
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>>143889842

>/a/ was right about Gohanfags having daddy issues.

The more you know.
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>>143890079
>Gohan idealizes Piccolo as a father figure.
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>>143890072
>>143890117


Goten only cares for Gohan and Chi-Chi.
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>>143890117
>/a/
/a/ is one person. Kill yourself.
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>>143889926
vegeta only started caring for his family quite a bit later. F Vegeta probably never cared.
So. Her looking up at Goku above all others is understandable.

The last thing she saw was the person she looked up to the most
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>>143890144
>Replying with One Piss pic.
To the trash it goes.
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>>143890203
>No argument
I accept your concession.
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>>143890072
>You just wait
don't worry.. we will
and so will you
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Goku is white.
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>>143890149
goku only makes life worse for everybody, should've died forever so gohan becomes our new mc. just think how much better it'll be
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I can believe that Goku wouldn't recognize Pilar and crew, but why wouldn't Bulma or Yamcha or Oolong? They aren't as dumb as Goku.
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>>143889422
Proving exactly why he is such a bad father.

He doesn't know shit about Gohan. He's literally the archetype of somebody who views his son as just a hopeful extension of himself than a person whom he should want to be happy.

He explicitly admits disappointment in how his son turned out to Vegeta when Vegeta asks why they shouldn't invite Gohan to the tournament, while Piccolo actually spends time with Gohan's family and seems happy than Gohan is happy.

Goku's situation isn't unique. Everyone has priorities in life, and Goku decided just like many others that his "Career" of fighting and getting stronger was more important than parenting.
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>>143890155

Gohanfags having daddy issues is a well known fact though.
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>>143890079
>Grew up
Was still wearing it during the Buu saga
>Cheering Piccolo's singing
pretty sure if Goku was singing he'd be cheering also
>Piccolo spending time with Gohan's family
Goku does that too
>Having dinner every night and living with him
Why would Goku live with Gohan, also Piccolo only has 3 options
live alone in the wilderness
live on the lookout
live with Gohan
I wonder what he's gonna chose
>Saved Piccolo from Gero
he would've saved anybody who was being attack by Gero
>Had to be restrained from helping Piccolo
Again he would've been restrained from saving anyone because that was very stupid of him and he would've died
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>>143890291
Gohan's personality is infinitely more boring than Goku's. It would be lamer. Better written but lamer.
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>>143890414
Gohan never told him anything about not liking to fight so that's Gohan's fault not Gokus
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>>143890449
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>>143890449
>>143890079

He wanted to save Vegeta when he was being tortured by Freeza but Piccolo stopped him.

He saved Vegeta from Recoome's blast.

He saved Vegeta from Cell.

Gohan doesn't fight for the thrill. He doesn't want anyone to die. He fights to protect.
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>>143890291
>goku only makes life worse for everybody
Wrong retard, pic related thoughts on Goku from someone who knows him, not some salty faggot on the net.

>gohan becomes our new mc
Fuck no, Gohan would have been a terrible mc character.
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>>143889422
>He thought Gohan had a hard on for fighting like he does and wanted to fight him at 100%
No he didn't retard.
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>>143890308
>many years later
>never had that much interaction
>They had to deal with much worse than Pilaf and co.
They apparently didn't leave much of a lasting impression. Bulma talks to Mai directly in BoG and hears her say she's almost 41. Didn't ring a bell at all
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>>143889070
>Letting Gohan go to Namek so they could revive their friends is a clear example that Gohan's safety is no more important to Goku than his dead friends.
Gohan volunteered to go!!
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>>143890155

Is trued though. And would explain why Gohanfags can't accept the fact that Gohan is happy being an scholar, their obsession with him being stronger than his father as well as their hate for Goku.
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>>143889872
Yeah, but as we know, Japan more often than not has shit taste.
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>>143890689
Don't bother "Goku is a shit fahter"fags are idiots
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>>143890726
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>>143890117
Nah. I'm the guy you're responding to, but my father has always been around and been great. Just making an objective observation that Goku is not a good father
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>>143890528

He didn't tell piccolo either. If he spent more time with his son, he would know and understand what kind of person he is.
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>>143890250
>No argument
Here your (You), you hungry slut.
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>>143890909
>Wanting to go to Namek
>Expressing disinterest in studying
>Being stronger than Goku at his age
>constantly wanting to go with the rest of the Z-fighters

hmmm why oh why didn't Goku see that Gohan doesn't like to fight, Gohan not liking to fight was never brought up until the Cell fight.
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>>143890681
>shuu's drink looks like wine
>mai with orange juice
so she also doesn't drink alcohol?
any instance of her drinking in the db manga?
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>>143890528
Don't listen to these retards Goku knew Gohan wanted to be a Scholar not a fighter. Seriously most of these "Goku is a shit fahter"fags don't remember shit about the series >>143888504 (pic)
>>143890909
He didn't tell piccolo either.
See what I mean? >>143875959 (pic)
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>>143890449
Yet Toriyama has only show that side of Gohan with Piccolo. Gohan understands Goku is a fighting freak and he respects him by not bothering him. His bound with Piccolo is much deep and he is very extrovertive when he shows it, unlike with Goku. Just accept defeat.
>>143890580
Yeah.
>>143890726
I dislike Goku because he is boring as shit in Super. The ones who always post about muh daddy issues are the shitposters. And if you want to say peoe likes characters because they only want to self-inselft you should fuck off to sone harem thread.
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How to make DB good

>Stop cucking Vegeta
Seriously, I'm sick of Vegeta always getting goku's dick in his ass in every saga. For ONCE, let Vegeta save the day, let him be the stronger one. He fucking deserves it. I'm fucking sick of Goku always saving the day
>Give (Kid) Trunks and Goten a bigger role
Instead of child side characters who serve no other purpose than to form Super saiyan voltron, why not flesh them out as characters a bit?
>Make the action deeper
Instead of just mindless hitting and flashing lights, give the fights some fucking depth. There is absolutely no sense of scale for DB fights anymore and I find myself skipping the fight scenes all the time now.

This isn't even hard
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>>143891270
>How to make DB good
It already is, no need for your shitty fanfic.
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>>143891270
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>>143891089

>Wanting to go to Namek

To save his friends

>Expressing disinterest in studying

Literally in his first scene "i want to be an orthopedist"

He has only ever expressed disinterest in studying when the earth was in danger. God, self-inserting Gohan fans are delusional.

>Being stronger than Goku at his age

The fuck does that have to do with anything?

>constantly wanting to go with the rest of the Z-fighters

To protect them/the earth.
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>>143891312
Not bait, just good taste in writing.

>>143891331
>DB
>Good
ハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハ
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>>143888504
>>143891250
And yet he gave Cell a senzu bean, was happy as fuck when Cell was torturing his son. Goku didn't know Gohan never saw himself as THE Earth's protect, Gohan was like everyone else, he thought Goku was the only one who could save their asses because he was THE HERO.
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>>143890508
Goku is as a one dimensional character as you get, while Gohan actually experiences development.

The Goku in Super is pretty much the exact same person that he was in DB, and is the literal example of a gary stu. Fearless, strong, smart when it's convenient, stays relevant because of plot armor considering the fact that he's a weak-blooded Sayian with no explanation for why he surpass people like Vegeta despite far less pressuring upbringings.

Gohan has undergone an enormous amount of development from the kid he was during the Raditz saga to who he is now, and his potential is at least justified by the fact that Human + Sayian breeding creates super warriors.
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>>143891331
>Implying DBS is any good.
Superfags at their finest.
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>>143891354
All these points are what Goku saw with Gohan also remember Goku's a retard.
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Ch-Chi needs an episode
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>>143891354
That anon is a Gokufag, you shithead. He is defending Goku.
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>>143891505
>It's a Chichi episode
Into the Trash it goes
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>>143891416
>And yet he gave Cell a senzu bean
Which changed nothing, Gohan still won like Goku knew he would.

>was happy as fuck when Cell was torturing his son
No he wasn't retard.

>>143891460
>goku
>literal example of a gary stu
Holy shit these retards are crawling out of the wood works today.
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>>143862796
>Kid Trunks gets cucked by his future self

Which works out fine because future Mai turns out to be a hardcore shotacon.
>>
I haven't kept up with Super, so why is Turles back and why is he wearing green potara earrings?
>>
I got so many friend requests now that I have max Gogeta as my lead.
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>>143891651
>spoon feed me pls
Go read a wiki retard
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>>143891349
Manlets. when will they learn.
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>>143891651
>Turles
Just watch the fucking episodes
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>>143866414
>>143866587

???

No ?

Kid Trunks received FAR FAR FAR better training than Future Trunks.
It makes perfect sense for him to develop faster.
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>>143891696
but the wiki is retarded
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>>143891651
It's not Turles, Goku Black, a Goku from the Trunks future who has been rampaging Trunk's timeline.

Trunks goes back in time to get help from Goku.
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>>143891791
>replying to bait
Retard
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>>143891783
>but the wiki is retarded
Perfect for you then.
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>>143891460
I don't give a shit about development. Goku is still far more enjoyable in personality. Gohan is fucking boring, he always has been. What's the point of having a deep character if most people don't don't give a shit about him? Gohan is one of the dullest characters in DB.
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>>143891560
Ha, ha. Please, anon, it is okay to accept your beloved Goku makes mistakes. Piccolo and everyelse had to shout how bad Goku was with Gohan in the Cell games. Cell could had killed everyone if Goku and Co. attackef him, Cell ironically saved them by creating those Cells Junior that made Gohan angry.
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>>143891505
Chichi needs my dick in her sexy bitchy mouth.
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>>143891460
All that development and he is still boring as fuck. Goku can be annoying sometimes with his fighting autism, but at least he is entertaining.
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>>143892040
>you will never throatfuck her while she tries to yell at you
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>>143891951
>What's the point of having a deep character if most people don't don't give a shit about him?
Waste them in favor of making Goku the coolest guy. You are one of those retards that should be banned to the Naruto's threads. Toriyama has wasted many good characters just for muh Goku. Kill yourself, faggot.
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>>143891404
>>143891487
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>>143892018
>Piccolo and everyelse
Top kek
>Gohan still won like Goku knew he would.
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>>143890610
Gohan is a person why fights only because he's forced in to action, and has to overcome a number of flaws.

Goku fights because "I'm so awesome, I love fighting, I have no flaws, my personality is completely impossible in real life, but that doesn't matter because retards are more interested in watching a completely unrealistic character overcome problems in a realistic scenario, give me money nips"

Goku's personality in Dragonball worked because his personality fit the world of fantasy, and it was a great series because of that, but once we entered DBZ territory, his character was completely unfit for the number of strength enhancements that he gained, and it would have been a far better story had Gohan been given the torch as his character was much better designed in the setting of DBZ.
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>>143889877
sexiest bulma yet worst bulma at the same time

strange
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>>143892076
>at least he is entertaining.
That's why Super's BoG was super interesting, Goku's character at his finest.
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>>143892204
She was only 15.
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>>143892155
>Gohan still won like Goku knew he would.
No, he didn't. Goku thought Gohan was going to get a fighting boner and kill Cell, just like him.
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>>143891101
don't remember her ever drinking alcohol...

Still. Maybe bulma just gave her orange juice because she was Trunks's girl and didnt pay much attention to what Pilaf and Shu got. Who knows?
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>>143892152
Delusional at its finest. Did I trigger you, Superfag?
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>>143892170
>my personality is completely impossible in real life
No shit retard it's a martial arts manga about monkey ailens named after vegetables fighting cat Gods, bubble gum monsters and the like.
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>>143891101
>>143892299
Shu is old enough to drink in dog years
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>>143892289
>No, he didn't
Yes he did retard.
>Seriously most of these "Goku is a shit fahter"fags don't remember shit about the series
Fucking confirmed
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>>143892347
I guess so
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>>143892149
You can sit here and whine about what could of been or you can grow the fuck up and just accept the series like everyone else already has. Gohan is garbage, he had his chance but not enough people care about him. He's shit now for that reason alone. Move on.
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>>143892118
I hate the Bulma is more popular than Chichi. We need more porn of her. I would do it but I fucked up my hand.
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>>143892410
I remember the series better than you considering I remember Piccolp being angry with Goku while Goku was thinking how excited Gohan was gping to be until Piccolo told him Gohan wasn't a fighting freak. Which proves my point that Piccolo knows Gohan better, Goku tries but he is a retard.
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>>143892289
>Goku thought Gohan was going to get a fighting boner and kill Cell, just like him.
Except in Goku's pep talk it was obvious Goku understood his son. He told him that he was proud Gohan wanted to be a scientist, but to ensure a future where he could live out his dream he needed to fight and beat Cell, because only he could.
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>>143892517
You are the one whinning just because someone pointed how basic Goku is, and at this point Super feels like a boring rehash because of it.
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>>143892508
Why can't Gohan get his old super saiyan hairdo back?
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>>143892620
Piccolo didn't understand Goku's gambit, though. He thought Goku was counting on Gohan being crazy for fighting, but Goku was betting on Gohan getting angry enough to tap into his power. Goku never expected his son to be like him in that regard, but what he didn't understand was that it wasn't that Gohan didn't like fighting, it was that he HATED fighting.
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>>143892625
>I remember the series better than you
No you don't retard this entire thread has been me proving you fags wrong with manga pages time and time again. You lost deal with it retard.
>>
>Goku never taught Chi-Chi how to fly

What an asshole
>>
>>143892717
Meant to reply to >>143892620
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>>143892625
>Except in Goku's pep talk it was obvious Goku understood his son.
The thing is he didn't. He didn't understand Gohan was afraid to kill, Gohan didn't believe in himself, he believed in Goku the hero.
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>>143892697
Super Goku is not even Goku. He's Luffy.
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>>143891757
Vegeta had no idea he could do it until just before the world tournament
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>>143892788
Goku understood his son's wishes and tried to appeal to them, but you're right, he didn't realize just how badly Gohan underestimated himself and how much he was afraid of hurting people.
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>>143892347
Shu really got a new lease on life with that wish, didn't he?
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>>143892713
>He thought Goku was counting on Gohan being crazy for fighting, but Goku was betting on Gohan getting angry enough to tap into his power.
In the end those are the same thing. If Goku would had talked with Gohan about his plan he wouldn't had been so shocked. When Goku gave up against Cell everyone got alarmed because they thought Goku was the ultimate hero.
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>>143892739
She sent him to driving school in revenge
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>>143892717
The only thing that you have proved is how delusional you are.
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>>143892788
>He didn't understand Gohan was afraid to kill,
Wrong idiot, he didn't want to kill if he didn't have to. Huge difference fool.
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>>143892794
What?
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>All these butthurt Gohan fags
Guys Goku might of cucked Gohan as main character but we all know Gohan was fucking his sexy mama the whole time Goku was dead.
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>>143892948
Gohan understood Cell was a huge thread, that's why he trained with Goku. Which proves you wrong.
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>>143892241
yes, and?
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>>143891404
>I have an opinion you don't like
>it must be bait
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>>143892948
>>143893026

Why was Gohan eager to stop Cell when training with Goklu but when it came down to it, he all of a sudden didn't want to.

He knew he'd have to kill him. All of a sudden he backpedals. Fuck that shit writing.
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>>143892933
>The only thing that you have proven is how delusional I am
Glad we agree. Now fuck off with that stupid meme
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>>143893026
>Cell was a huge thread,
God you guys are retarded.
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>>143893054
>>143892241

The younger they are the harder they cum.
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>>143893065
Pretty sure he thought Goku would somehow handle it all
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>>143893065
Reread the series retard
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>>143892332
>>143892332
Did you even read what I said?

Goku was a perfect character design for DB, but his character really started to show some plot armor in DBZ in the latter of the Namek Saga (Defendable at least until post-Frieza) and beyond due to his design and the obvious change of tone in DBZ compared to DB.

Ironically enough, Goku's character design starts showing the most obvious incompatability in the cell saga where Gohan actually saves the day in the end, but SS achievement and beating Frieza should have marked the end of Goku's relevance.

just from a writing perspective, it would have been a far greater idea to have Goku die after defeating Frieza and leave the rest of the Z-fighters (Particularly Gohan and FTrunks with Vegeta becoming a mentor) to figure things out without his help, as it would have achieved another stepping stone in Gohan development as he finds himself with the entire world on his shoulders without Goku to help save the day and signified a crucial landmark in his development where he has to rely only on himself.

Then when we get to the Buu saga, things get full retard because it no longer becomes a coherent story, but rather a battle an obvious attempt at keeping the characters the fans adore the most relevant.

I don't care about what happens in Super, but the whole DB to DBZ transition was fine until post-Frieza. That is when literal ass-pulls became glaring enough to turn the series in to a cash-cow pander fest than maintaining the actual existence of a progressing story.
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>>143893069
Yes, anon, you are delusional.
>>143893112
*threat.
But my point still stands.
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>>143893129
>>143893163

But anon, deep down he wanted to do it. He killed those Freeza goons when they attacked on Namek. Killing a bigger threat shouldn't be as problem.
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>>143893178
>But my point still stands.
No it doesn't. You're retarded and delusional. I have proven you wrong at every corner you lost kid.
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>>143893201
>He killed those Freeza goons when they attacked on Namek. Killing a bigger threat shouldn't be as problem.

>he didn't want to kill if he didn't have to
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>>143866051
Did Gohan and Bulma pork?
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>>143893332

Had had to kill Cell, the others were outclassed.
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>>143893358
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>>143893407
No but Gohan and Chichi did.
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>>143887036
I wish the fusion dance would canonically be used by literally anybody that isn't Goten or Kid Trunks
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>>143892076
Gohan became boring as fuck due to bad writing, not inherent design. The concept of Gohan was great and consistent throughout his introduction to the end of Namek. He started as as a typical 4 year old, and had his enormous potential subtly teased in one scene during the Raditz saga where he breaks out of the space ship, then undergoes well done coming to age development during his training with Piccolo and his contribution during the Sayian saga. During this whole time, he had to learn to overcome fear, and mature very quickly.

His presence on Namek was a continuation of this. It wasn't till the cell saga that they pushed the idea that "GOHAN, YOU HAVE GREAT POTENTIAL, DID YOU HEAR ME? LITERALLY ONLY YOU CAN SAVE THE WORLD" way too hard instead of letting him come to realize this fact on his own. Then in the Buu saga what started out as what could have been a potential challenge to Gohan having to overcome complancency as the new defender of Earth, they decided to just say, "Alright, everyone loves Goku and Vegeta, so let's just make them the center of the story again."

If you had a problem with Gohan's character during the Sayian or Namek saga, it just means you're either a DB nostaliafag, or an idiot who prefers characters without flaws than seeing characters have to overcome flaws.
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>>143894212
I had a problem with Gohan's character because he was fighting aliens at fucking 5. It was just too dumb. At least in DB Goku and Krillin were 12, and I could let it slide.
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>>143894212
Gohan is boring shit at any age.
Even Toriyama realized this and that's why he gave up on making Gohan the new hero.
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