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>Subs never
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I am in love with Freyja Wion and one day I am going to marry her.
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I still laugh at MW debating on the competency of Johnson/Chaod and weather Valan was just doing his job fighting against Windermerean. Can people be this dense? They dont like NUNs being portrayed as villains.
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MUH SUBS
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>>143760239
But you're not real, anon.
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>album version of Rune Pika

Wow Wow/10
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>>143760239
I'm so sorry.
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>>143760515
I honestly like her solo version better
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>That shitty elf is going to win Hayate's affections
>Meanwhile the only thing Freyja is going to win is an early ticket to the grave and maybe a friendzone hug

Hayao Miyazaki is right; anime was a mistake.
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>>143760270
NUNS genocide when?
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Who is singing the first few words of the opening theme? Kaname?
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>>143760561
At least the loser has all the screentime and merchandise to make up for losing.
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>>143760566
Spotted the dirty Belkan.
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How does this picture make you feel?
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>>143760596
Freyja if we're going by episode 13. Mikumo otherwise.
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>>143760270
http://www.strawpoll.me/10676464
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>>143760239
Fight her personal white knight first.
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>a show that is literally about a talking fart is going to get subs before Macross Delta Episode 14

Post your favourite Walkure
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>>143760199
>Mirage skinship episode
>No subs
Obvious Freyjafags
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I dont want to bring up MW and Animesuki but it must be strange that those are dedicated sites with more formalized structure than 4chan but you find more interesting posts and arguments here there. MW is supposed yo be THE Macross site for Western fans yet they act in a horrible manner. At least their weekly recap shows are good.
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>>143760922
You already did
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>>143760270
>They dont like NUNs being portrayed as villains.
But they were the villains in Macross 30, Frontier and on the wrong of Zero and 7? Are these people new?
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>>143760566
Last episode, it's a given.
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>>143760922
I WANT TO COMFORT KANAME-SAN!
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>>143761159
The UN has been corrupt since SDF.
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>>143761330
this tbqh
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>>143760515
Holy shit I completely forgot it's out already
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>>143761330
Didn't you get nuked, Messer?
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>>143761330
WITH YOUR PENIS?
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>>143761489
Messer wasn't romantically interested on Kaname. To him she wasn't any different an emergency exit that saved your life when your apartment building was burning. You're grateful the thing was there for you but that's it.
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>>143761159
Except NUNS wasn't bad in Frontier. Leon was a villain and NUNS soldiers arrested him when his assassination plot was revealed.

NUNS are just forever jobbers
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>>143761555
And hugs.
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>>143760515

Solo is better. The other voices sound pasted over and doesn't sound very good.
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>>143761330

Go for it, Arad.
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>>143760515

>Walkure Attack comes out today.

Subs never, Soundtrack tomorrow!
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>>143761613
>To him she wasn't any different an emergency exit that saved your life when your apartment building was burning. You're grateful the thing was there for you but that's it.


First time I've seen someone compare women to an emergency exit.

Had a chuckle there.
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where's the official kaname's list of suffering
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>Still no subs
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>>143760515
Whoo Whoo!
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>>143762298
>>143760922
I want to marry Kaname!
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>>143760515
Walkure Attack?

More like GORIGORIAttack AMIRITE
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will we ever see them again?
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I really hope kaname doesn't get FUCKED by the show in every way
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was just looking at some scans of the delta manga and...freyja's fiance/apple farmer boy is kinda hot? i mean, i at least find him cuter than hayate
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>>143763831
People like you deserve to be shot in the heart
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>>143761330
Stop Kanameposting in heaven Messer.
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>>143763095
Not unless one of them rises back from the grave
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>>143763831
Fuck, i'll be fine with memesubs at this point
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>>143763831
I don't like you NUNS, always lying to the people
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>>143760515
These full versions are amazing
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>tfw no Walkure covers yet

I want a Mikumo Information High and a Freyja Dakedo Baby but I'll probably get a bunch of Frontier songs if anything.
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>>143760199
>>Subs never
Dubs confirm.
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>>143766134
I want Mikumo to sing Power to the Dream.
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>>143760270
Why do you always have to bring conversations from other sites? Were you banned from there?
We get it, you don't like NUNfags, it's not like there are many of them here, but you seem to have some sort of hateboner against them. Did they rape your mother or something? Are you Bogue?
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Top fucking kek
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>>143766702
>tomorrow
Okay
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>>143766702
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>>143766702
Motherfuckers
I can't go through another day of wageslavery without my Freyja dose
I can't
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>>143766921
Learn nip already
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hi where are the subs?

thanks
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>>143766895
Literally never.
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>>143762191
>Soundtrack tomorrow

That would be exciting if it hadn't already leaked.
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Can i just watch DYRL for the original series?
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>>143767653
Depends on how much you care about the history. You will be missing out on several plot points that are browsed over or not elaborated in SDF. Is SDF good? Not really aside from one of the side girls, some funny moments(intentional and not intentional). I'd honestly say watch it first, else you won't be able to stomach it after watching DYRL which is vastly superior.
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>>143767802
>Is SDF good? Not really

your opinions are bad
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>>143767802
There's a lot to like about DYRL, but SDF is by no means bad and has plenty of things it does better than the movie.
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>>143768518
>>143768699
I disagree. But I guess you're free to explain your opinion.
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>>143768814
DYRL:
+Better animation, +Spoken Zentradi Language, +Character/Mecha redesigns, +Ai Oboete Imasu Ka

SDF:
+better zentradi backstory, +more time to flesh out character relationships, +zentradi motivations significantly clearer, +better overall worldbuilding, +epilogue

Honestly, I don't really feel like you can get the full experience out of DYRL without having watched SDF.
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>>143769233
Well, this is why I said that I still think its a necessary thing to watch simply because of the things you mentioned. However, I would say the only reasons to watch SDF are because of those important points of information as well as the fact that you appreciate DYRL a hell of a lot more than if you didn't.
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>>143769333
Well personally I like both for different reasons. I do find that in a lot of cases opinions on SDF seem to be predicated by tolerance for old animation and how irritated someone is by Kaifun.
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>>143769333
No, I think the general depiction of the relationships (triangle) is better represented by the TV show. But, maybe you just don't give that kind of thing attention?
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>>143761615
Leon was the only named NUNS character aside of Kathy's dad, that's the fucking point. It doesn't matter if the fodder background NUNS aren't bad, the ones featuring as players in the show would be.
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>>143769570
man fuck kaifun
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>>143763718
He was. It broke my heart he vowed he wanted to make her happy. ;_; I want him to win. Fuck Hayate.
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>>143769714
> But, maybe you just don't give that kind of thing attention?
Honestly, I think I like the fact that its outright ignored. Kaifun's character is literally retarded. That aside, Minmay is absolutely awful in it, whereas she's pretty okay in DYRL. I don't think I've ever made a 180 on who I'd prefer the MC to end up with quite like Macross.
>>143769570
Animation was fine, coming from someone who watches old stuff on the regular. Kaifun a shit, yes. But Minmay was a worse offender.

Do I hate SDF? No. It might be my least favorite macross despite the fact that I love the setting and the plot itself which is mostly condensed within DYRL and thus not presenting the full impact. Character-wise and music-wise though, I find it weak. My Wonderful Place was the only good song in it.
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SDF and DYRL are not alternatives to each other. They're complements. Unless you're super strapped for time, then you're allowed to go DYRL only, but should be aware you're missing out on most of it. But if you've watched SDF, one does not simply move on without watching DYRL.
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>>143760270
I for one don't like Windermere being blatant Zeon fanwank. One Zeon is more than enough, and we got like ten of them, and now even Macross very own notZeon, using the biological weapons against civilian population of neighboring worlds, because "we are chasing evil invaders out of OUR clay".

And rabid winderniggers eagerly defending their actions, because "muh mind control is harmless", and "it is not related to previous VAR rampages, that were only used as the cover" and "if you support NUN (galaxy spanning alliance of worlds), you deserve to be invaded" kind of bullshit is not really helping their case.

Yes, UN was always depicted as either corrupt assholes, or eternal jobbers relying on main characters to the dirty job for them, but if they are portrayed in Delta as outright mustache twirling villains, then what was the point of the whole NUN reform, if they only got worse as the result.
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>>143769944
>one does not simply move on without watching DYRL

You can. I just don't know why you would.
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>>143770003
>I for one don't like Windermere being blatant Zeon fanwank.

Stopped reading right there.
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>>143760239
She'll be dead before technology allows such a thing.
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>>143770003
>Zeon fanwank
Fuck off back to /m/ with your boogeyman.
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>>143770003
They're Imperial Japan. The reason they look like Zeon to you is because Zeon is also Imperial Japan (with a big helping of Nazi Germany.)
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>>143770040
I will rather compare them to another work of fiction, rather than bringing real life politics into the discussion.

Stay mad, Zeke.
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HOINA
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GORI GORI
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Can someone make a gif or webm of Hayate banging on the keyboard like a retard? It's at 16:37 after NEO STREAM starts playing.
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>>143770305
>that art
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Unsurprisingly Walküre Attack is doing pretty well on JP itunes chart
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>>143770271
>>143770305
>R18
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>>143770782
There's a few of those on the way.
Let's hope they all get scanned
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>reading shit
>some faggot complaining that Hayate hasn't gone up against Keith without Freyjas help yet

Well no shit. He'd probably be fucking dead.
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>>143769904
>But Minmay was a worse offender.
The worst offenders were Shitsa and Shitakaru who were main characters that did shit in the entire show. They might as well be replaced by monkeys and we'll have the same show with less romantic drama. Minmay was an allright character dragged into a shitty triangle by Shitkaru's shitty obsession, without that, she'll just be a ditzy singer who saves the day. Max, Roy, Claudia, Global, Milia and other Zents were cool.
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>>143770003
They are nothing like Zeon Wank retard. It's more like Natives Americans trying to kill those filthy White Devils.

Zeon are MURRICA+Nazis. But still humans.
Winderere are aliens who had their planet dominated by humans who used them as fodder and abused them who were tired of their shit. They have a valid concern.
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>>143771724
Misa was fine. Hikaru was a shit though.
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>>143771787
Misa was a waste of air and a melodramatic cunt whose entire character was a fucking waste. After rewatching the show, I hated both of them. The show should have been about Max and Milia, or Roy and Claudia. Misa was 90% time more concern about her personal life and issues than doing her job. She was fucking pathetic.
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>>143770271
>>143770305
delete this fucking degenerate filth
freyja is not for lude
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>>143766815
>>143766895
>>143766921
At least there's a silver lining - we won't have to wait long for the new episode.
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>Subs tomorrow
>Previews the day after
>New episode 2 days after
Not a bad deal after all.
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>>143771993
Might as well not even watch the show so you can watch it in one go once its over then
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>>143772022
S-Shut up, I'm consoling myself here.
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I wanna do lewd things to this space elf.

>>143771976
You know damn well Mikumo is sexually abusing Freyja, faggot.
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>>143772052
You could rewatch the older Macross series. I'm doing the same with Frontier right now.
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>>143772206
Elves are for ____________
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>>143770271
>>143770271
I can't physically bend my fingers like that. It makes me sad.
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>>143772214
I'm doing Macross 7. I haven't watched it before. It's OK.
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>>143770271
>>143770305
>>143771134
I'm curious, are these artists women?
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>>143772480
I know one of them are, I think the others are likely too.
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>>143772262
fucking in the ass

>>143772398
Git gud.

Seriously though just start (gently) forcing your fingers into that position until the muscles are strong enough to do it on their own. I used to not be able to do it with my right hand at all, now it's no problem.

Being southpaw scum though it's always been easy for my left.
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>>143771909
>The show should have been about Max and Milia
>its suddenly better
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I'd Gori Gori Freyja's Hoina
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>>143771618
Did they know that the story is about pilot-singer resonating?
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What's your favorite Walkure outfit/costume?

Pic related for me.
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>>143760239
This is more likely to happen than her and Hayate hooking up together.
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>>143773124
This one. I hope Freyja will get to wear it.
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>>143773135
>Hayate will never pound that sweet 14 year old poon
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>>143773124
I've always liked these ones. They were them when they do the best songs, so I've noticed.
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>>143773222
>dat QUALITY
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>>143773205
At least he can still fuck Mercat senpai's corpse.
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>>143773205
>doujin of Hayate fucking Makina long before anything Freyja in sight

It's a sign.

http://exhentai.org/g/936971/a696fc1a95/
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>>143773292
>mobile posting
>tap the spoiler
>immediately opens the link

Nigga I am on my works wifi

so I just have to save that for when I get home in 4 hours
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>>143773205
He bullied the mercat. He's confirmed for marrying late.
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>RUNEPIKABEAM
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>>143760688

Constipated.
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>>143773290
>>143773438
Is there some reference I'm missing here or are we just actually talking about that mercat he wanted to bully.

>>143773492
>haven't shit in a week
>asshole randomly feels like it's going to detonate my bowels
>get to a bathroom
>as soon as I sit down it goes away

I really don't want to relive taking strong laxatives after not shitting for a week and a half again.
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>>143773571
I wanted to say nice blog but this is a literal shitty blog
please stop posting
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When will we get Freyja solo of Bokura no Senjou? I need this.
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>>143773853
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>>143773853
>>143773877
Why does Mikumo always steal the show? Actually, Freyja is a very ordinary girl compared to her and Mirage. I'd probably take either of them over the "star" of the show.
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MIRAGEFAS ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>143773914
Because her asspull power is actually fit for the show unlike Freyja.
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>>143773914
You already know everything about Freyja since staff put her in spotlight almost all episodes and keep telling us "she's 10/10 perfect" in every episode, unlike other two.
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>>143773853
We should be getting some newtype rankings soon. How early did they come in last time?
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>>143774035
Someone will leak it tomorrow i guess.
Though i don't think there will be any difference other than maybe Mikumo will above Mirage this time and/or Kaname finally in top 10.
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>>143773853
>>143773877
>dat Freyja favoritism
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>>143770305
GORI GORI
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>>143774279
dat immense butthurt
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Now that I think about it, Freyja is reminding me more and more of Ranka. I hope it doesn't turn out as bad as that though.
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>>143774351
There's a reason why she's pink Ranka (orange for colorblind folks).
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>>143774346
I don't understand. There're so many episode left and they're still complaining about Freyja taking all the spotlight. Why don't they just wait for their character's arc instead?
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>>143774446
I start hearing this since episode 3, and you may still telling people the same thing in 3/6/9/12 episodes later.
I already gave up about they will give any other character spotlight, unless he/she is going to die.
Luckily, i like Freyja after all, so not that big deal for me.
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>>143770271
Huh, so the guy doing this one is an actual ero manga artist.
This ought to be lewd.
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So what are the odds these two share a bed and do lewd stuff like cuddling and eating eachothers assholes out
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>>143774570
I'd say it's probably 95%. But that's just opinion (on observations).
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>>143774091
>>143774035
Well the ranking is leaked.
This month's NT ranking:
Male
2.Hayate(No.1 is Ikoma)

Female
3.Freyja(No.1 is Mumei, no.2 is Saber)
7.Kaname

Yup, that's it.
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>>143774608
>old hag
>making shit up
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>>143774608
>no Messer
;_; At least Freyja's still there. Feel great to be Freyjafag.
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>>143774608
I suppose that came about after delta went into a relatively slow period lately (thinking of 11 and 12) and Kabaneri ended with a hollywood ending.
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>>143774608
Makes sense because the last issue had a Kabaneri cover. Where's the full list?
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>>143774608
Forget the picture.
>Even Biba is in the ranking
Damn Japan.
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>>143774685
Jesus Christ, why does Japan have such insanely bad taste?

It's almost impressive.
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>>143774685
> Biba
What the fuck Japan
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>>143774685
>SEED
Is that Kira?
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More New Type picture.
Wait, who are they?
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>>143774746
Yeah, jesus is back.
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>>143774685
Mostly old faithfuls on it. Which obviously surprises noone and is why all the claims that these're fixed are all the more ridicilous
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>>143774754
>>143773877
>they still keep shoving Mikumo even though she's barely popular at being a pisspoor Sheryl clone

Kek, you can tell she was penned to be part of the triangle but someone in Satelight just brought in Mirage to replace her and they are stuck on what to do with her
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>>143774754
Kyoani?
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>>143774746
Yes it is.
>Kira is banned
was just bullshit then.
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Lelouche is back on the list. It's like the old readers suddenly picked up the magazine again.
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>>143774801
She's my second favourite in this show overall, and has the sexiest design and she's more beautiful than Sheryl so I'm pretty happy she gets art.
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>>143774647
Kabaneri ending wasnt even that good imo.
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>>143774685
If you don't mind me asking, where did you get these images from?
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>>143774685
>the Lord and Saviour has returned
sasuga japan
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>>143774801
>Sheryl clone
Please stop this meme. She's Kawamori's self-insert.
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>>143774865
Someone taking a picture of the page and posting it online. Like, really?
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>>143774865
http://refugee-chan.mobi/urisure/
Ctrl+f "light.dotup" in every thread, magazine buyer like use this site to upload pictures.
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>>143774888
Well duh. I'm asking what thread or imageboard he was looking at, because dotup stuff is used mainly by Japanese.
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>>143774818
Kira was gone for years and then suddenly he's back, has it ever occurred to you that the ban was gone?
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>>143774754
Why is the artstyle for this anime so bad?
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>>143774900
Thanks.
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>yfw Freyja gets captured and executed for treason
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How is Mikumo's swimsuit supposed to work?
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>>143774939
Shinpi
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>>143774939
Body paint.
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>>143774754
I hope that we will get a beach/swimsuit episode for real.
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Oricon sales for 7/05
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/d/2016-07-05/
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>>143775163
Ranka looks stoned, Jesus.
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>>143774754
Tentacles look more like hair here.
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>>143775201
>Freyja's fang
>unSHINPI hair
Artist ruined them.
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>>143775179
pretty decent haul for the day before it's supposed to be out.
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>>143775179
Sasuga Walkure
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Damn,everyone look dead-inside here.
INSIDE OR DEAD OUTSIDE
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>>143775328
Never had high expecting to magazine pictures anon.
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>>143775191
Sheryl looks pissed off
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>>143775889
>Ranka looks like a love-struck doggie-girl.
>Sherly looks like a haughty slut.

And?
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SUBS
FUCKING
WHEN
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
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>>143775999
The VF 25 is still a cute!
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Where are my dogfightbros at?
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>>143776375
i can't keep track of the current room
http://wings.io/#1izs seems relatively low on people
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>>143776171
tonight/morrow morning gg post said
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>>143774374
You can't into colors, can you?
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>>143774374
>pink
What the hell?
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>>143777129
Interesting.
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>>143773117
>Did they know that the story is about pilot-singer resonating?

People can know this and simply not like it.
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>>143773438
>He's confirmed for marrying late.

If he marries late by human standards Freyja will be dead by the time he marries.
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>>143777129
Translation?
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>>143777385
Nothing really interesting, basically things that we already knew up to episode 14.
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>>143777409
Ok, thanks anon.
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>>143777129
>Mirage blushes a lot, will see a lot more of her womanly side in the second cour, as opposed to the first cour that mainly feature her soldier side
>Minorin says that an upcoming episode might be end up being an episode she likes the most, and that she gets to sing a song of a person she likes very much.
>Hayate apparently will get involved deeper with more characters, not just Freyja and Mirage, but also the rest of Delta squad, windermerans and his father that has only appeared in dialouge (doesn't actually hint at him showing up, but his relationship will be explored more)
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>>143777446
>she gets to sing a song of a person she likes very much.
Freyja will sing a song for Bogue?
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>>143777446
See, that's all the things we already know about.
I mean it's not like they're allowed to spoiler, so that's that.
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>>143777446
I'm guessing she sings Seikan Hikou
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>>143777446
>and that she gets to sing a song of a person she likes very much.
KYUN KYUN confirmed
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>>143777446
>she gets to sing a song of a person she likes very much.
My boyfriend is a pilot confirmed?
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>>143777475
Minorin is a big Ranka fan, so she will going to sing a Ranka's song, i beat she will sing that song in episode 16.
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>>143777564
>>143777576
Why are you thinking Mari Ijima and not Nakajima Megumi?
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I bet subs will come out an hour after I watch it raw
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>>143770105
Imperial Japan's WW2 empire building was coasting off the highs they got from defeating Russia in the Russo-Japanese war and seizing German possessions in the Far East during WW1. I'm not really seeing a parallel with Windermere's desire for revenge against the inferior apes for their humiliation.
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>>143771775
>Zeon are MURRICA+Nazis.
What the fuck. Are you high?
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>>143777619
Because that's the fate of any Ranka-type heroine in macross.
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>>143777603
Or a Maaya Sakamoto song, that's what a few people on the spoiler thread were suggesting.
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>>143777129
>Yuuma: Mirage's moment is?
>Asami: there is her moment?

No wonder Asami already move on and focus to Regalia.
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I wonder if they will still use Kuromukuro as a excuse for slow subs when its getting subbed by Netflix now
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>>143777944
This was sad.
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>>143777998
But Netflix only released the first cour.
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>>143777446
>failure as a soldier
>will be failure as a woman in 2nd cour

Miragefags BTFO
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>>143774801
Sheryl >= Mikumo >>> all the rest combined
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>>143777940
>>143778025
She OTP with a white hair loli voiced by Nao Touyama in that show, of course she will move on.
That said, the mecha coloring of this Regalia show is a mess.
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>>143777940
I really don't think she will sing Triangler, and Aimo's out of the question.
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>>143760199
Fuckin' hell, why did all the subbers die today?
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>>143774874
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>>143777742
He literally just threw American Revolutionary War and Nazis into blender, and called it a day.

Maybe he is Russian.
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>>143777689
For Windermere it has more to do with their rhetoric than their material circumstances. Their justifications for attacking and taking over the other planets in the Brisingr Globular Cluster sounds suspiciously like the Asia for Asians Greater East Asian Co-prosperity Sphere bullshit Imperial Japan used to propagandize its own colonial expansion.

If the speculation that they were pushed into the war by NUNG economic sanctions following their war of independence is correct in terms of spotting part of their motivations you can also draw a parallel with the reasons for war with the United States in WWII, albeit not for the overall expansion of Imperial Japan.
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>>143778992
It would be a big score for Mirage if Hayate blushed.
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>>143779066
Talking about blushing, did he ever blushed before?
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>>143779210
Never. I don't know if Hayate is just completely oblivious about girls or if he just doesn't care.
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WINDNIGGER GENOCIDE SOON
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Walkure's first album day one ranking and sales.

http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/d/2016-07-05/
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>>143779411
Nigga just wants to fly n sheeit
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>>143779485
>first day sales as of 7/5
>release date 7/6
These really are the sales entirely for yesterday right?
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>Everyone calling Frontier the worst Macross
>Actually watch it
>The Quarter fucking surfs
>Best girl wins, too

Holy shit, /a/ get your shit together. Especially those of you who even dared say Zero was better.
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>>143777944
>>143778025

Mirage status:BTFO
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>>143778991
>If the speculation that they were pushed into the war by NUNG economic sanctions following their war of independence is correct
The NUN seems to have no problem importing vast quantities of Windermere apples, so I don't think economic sanctions are the problem here.
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>>143779643
They said something about those being smuggled through a shell corporation. I'm not clear on if that only became an issue after the conflict openly started though, and can't be assed to check. It's not my personal theory anyway just one I've seen floated around a lot.
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>>143779562

Macross 7 is the worst Macross. Basara is the worst character in the franchise, even shittier than Kaifun-kun
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>>143779761
ORE NO UTA WO KIKE
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>>143779761
>Hating Basara
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>>143778698
>Maybe he is Russian.
Oh, now that would explain it.
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>>143779761
Are you even trying.
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>>143779761
nice bait
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>>143779761
Go to bed Mylene; you're drunk.
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>>143779753
it's stated in episode 9. The episode that's after the two parter where they learned about the apples.
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>>143779809
>>143779828
>>143779894
>>143779943
>>143779988
>Listening to Basara's song
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>>143780298
SAA HAJIMARU ZE SATURDAY NIGHT
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>>143779761
>Macross 7 is the worst Macross
>Basara is the worst character in the franchise
>this was posted in a Delta thread
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>>143780350
Translation? It's mention about Hayate's dad.
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>>143773205
>sweet 14 year old poon

Isn't she like 32 in human years? Frejya is a technical Christmas Cake.
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>>143774754
>5 replies
>no comments on Kumokumo's fine ass

You gay, son?
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>>143781724
Do not sexual the Protodeviln, anon.
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>>143779761
>The show with 100% Supersoldier Gamlin who can nonlethally solve hostage situations is the worst show
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>>143777944
I don't even know what to say anymore, it's funny and sad at the same time.
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Was thinking about gori Gori only living for 30 years. Now I'm sad.
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>>143781928
>Freyja has around 15 years to start a family right now
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>>143781910
Yeah and Minori said that "Mirage acted more girly isn't she?"(Dere). I was just like "That is?", it would be bad for her fans if her arc is only about being dere.
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Reminder that if Windermere had been wiped out 7 years ago, none of this would have happened.

The Windermere Genocide will ensure that the filthy apple niggers will not be able to harm our future generations. Remove Windermere so that our children can grow up in a safe galaxy.
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>>143774685
>Lelouch

Now that is random after all these years?
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>>143782079
Reminder that if Earthlings had been wiped out 59 years ago, none of this would have happened.
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>>143780350
>several characters are dug to their bones, more than during cour 1, there'll be drama from that. Another is that Delta squad's way of fighting is changing, from being on the offensive rather than the defensive. There's Hayate's triangle, but also the non romantic triangle of Roid, Keith and Heinz. And it'll cover the mysterious Mikumo, and Hayate's dad. The reason that Mikumo sings, who questioned Freyja's reason to sing, will also become clear.
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>>143782201
Reminder that if the Protoculture hadn't jerked off to space bugs, the galaxy would be at peace.
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>>143781724
>he gets aroused by a ro-butt
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>>143782281
>the non romantic triangle of Roid, Keith and Heinz
>non romantic
But I wanted a Boku no Heinz end.
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>>143782281
>several characters are dug to their bones
So they are going to be lots of dead?
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>>143782364
it means they'll explore them. We'll see what makes them tick.
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>>143782312
Elysion-kun arouses me. I don't know about you
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>>143782079
I'm with you
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>>143782281
>Mirage isn't even mentioned

poetry
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>>143774685
>Kira
>Iron Babies are already out
SEED BABY
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>>143782648
Jesus Yamato is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
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>>143782285
That's hardly the only thing the Protoculture did that is still fucking up the galaxy to this day.
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>>143782578
Elysion is best girl.
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>>143781951
YOURSELF MAKING IT WORSE
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>>143782854
*you're
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>>143760515
>Dat RUNE PIKA BEAAAMU
>Dat GORIGORI ATTAAAAACKU!
Freyja a best and most Hoina.
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>>143760561
>>143760602
This. Even if that happens, long after the anime is over and Mirage has won the Immelmanbowl, everyone will still remember Ap'Ju.
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>>143782040
I was afraid that would be the case since we first read about this whole
>Mirage will act more girly in the second part
Which its fine to see more sides of a character but that's the only thing we might get from this whole thing and is sad considering she is one of the main characters.

For example, when I first read the summary of the new episode that it would be hayate and her alone, I expected at least some minutes with them to talk and trying to know each other more, as it has happened with hayate and freyja. But instead we got Mirage being all blushu-blushu and frustrated with the body contact she made with hayate (to which he didn't even react) that it seems like a waisted opportunity to develop her character and her relationship with hayate more.

I don't know if we are getting canon pairing at the end, but if it's hayate/mirage and there is no significant development in the next episodes, it's bad writing that I don't know how some fans will even be happy.
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>>143763392
Kaname was made for suffering. If Arad engages in a romantic relationship with her you'll know the red hair ain't the only thing she has in common with Yoko Littner.
Kaname "True Grim Reaper" Buccaneer.
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>>143766944
Didn't you read? He's a wage slave.
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>>143782843
She's a he. she has dick.
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>>143770271
I WANNA KISS THAT TUMMY!
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>>143773444
>Messer going RUNEPIKABEAM!
My heart...
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>>143783056
>she is one of the main characters
Can we stop saying that lie?
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>>143760561
i will be mad if it happens. Let the younger one win for once.
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>>143783269
funny choice of character in the gif
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>>143773914
Awful taste. Mikumo is annoying and temperamental and mirage is just a hard working autist who likes planes.
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>>143779753
>>143780150
Sanctions doesn't mean that planet can't export anything. If Windermere wasn't allowed to export its apples they would be banned everywhere and it wouldn't matter what shell company sells them. Just seeing those apples on the market would cause major investigation. But Windermere was freely exporting and selling them.
Episode 9 just tells that Chaos could not find people who might be helping Winderemere with their conquest plans.

Most likely sanctions involved only military goods and everything which can be used for weapon production. It's just like Russia which is under sanctions right now, but it still exports food to EU.
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>>143782281
>There's Hayate's triangle,
So basically they will finally make Mirage completely fail as a pilot so next she would have to discover her female side and support Hayate like Freya did and will become an idol blushing mess?

Poor Mirage.
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>>143783354
We agree or not, she is listed as a main character in the official website and part of the love triangle.
It's a different matter that in the series so far she doesn't have much importance, character development and significant storyline when she has the potential for them.

I hope something happens with her in the second part, that the interviews don't cover, but I am not expecting much. No wonder I feel that Seto is no fucks given in interviews.
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>>143783591
No, the triangle is Hayate/Dancing/Freyja.
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>>143783628
Damn Dancing, it brought them together so why can't it just be happy for them? Why does it have to try and take Hayate for itself?
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>>143783611
Yeah well the show proved that the description is a lie
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>>143783720
>tfw she might get unprecedented attention and development in the next cour
If she fucks everything up after how smug a freyjafag I've been I'll be rather unhappy.
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>>143783507
no. Windermere was under economic blockade. The apples were sold under a dummy company using a different name, hiding their windermere origin.
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>>143783659
You know that even if Freyja wins his heart, Dancing will always own his body.
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>>143783811
>Windermere was under economic blockade.
The word on official site is 経済制裁 which means sanctions. Again reffer to my example with Russia.

>hiding their windermere origin
Are you really retarded? Windermerian apples are unique according to official site. They may look like Ragnyan apples, but I guess the taste is completely different. You just can't pretend they are from a different planet.
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>>143783793
>implying it will ever happen
Kawamori has shown us that Freyja is his favourite girl, while he turned Mirage into Zessica 2.0
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>>143784119
Praise be
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>>143784119
Kawamori learned his lesson. Everyone was mad with EVOL because the best girl was shat on and lost while the worst girl won. So he just switched them and now everyone is happy (except for few miragefags, but who cares about hose losers?).
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I want to tie Heinz's runes together while he sleeps
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>>143784226
Now you get it
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>>143760239
t. Mirage
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Are they even trying with this character?
>generic villain character design
>generic villain attitude

Even Leon was a better villain.
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I was searching for something through archives and accidentally found my post from March 31st (before broadcast even started): >>139344370. Please ignore the fact that I spell Freyja with "a":
>Being Frayja-fag is depressing. I wasn't in minority in terms of choosing side in shipwars since Toradoraand it was 7 years ago. After that even if my favourite character lost I was always backed up by majority of anons and we were shitting up all faggots who were supporting other girls.
>But this time Mirage support is overwhelming. I saw probably 2 other anons in total who like Frayja more. I can't even imagine how hard it will be for us when it actually starts airing.
Hahaha. I shouldn't have doubted my taste.
And Freyja is a really great character if she managed to stole hearts of all those anons who liked Mirage more in the beginning.
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>>143784482
>people still don't believe Valan is just a clever bait from Kawamori
>the real last boss is actually Chaos and lady M
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NEO STREAM worst song.

>all them engrish
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>>143784500
Is good to see that you learned from your mistake
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I want to lick the rune.
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>>143784500
I'm being a Freyjafag since episode 0.89. I tried to find other girls because I don't like shippingwars but no one can win over my heart like Freyja does. Feel great to be Freyjafag.
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>>143769759
I didn't read that. I only saw two scanned pages. Are there translations?
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>>143784912
He said that if Freyja don't want to marry him because he have somethings that she don't like he will change it. After Freyja said that she gonna die early and she just want to sing with Walkure he help her escaping.
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Why are the songs so lewd. You can't lewd the Freya.
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>>143784912
Scanned and translated, but not typeset.
ch1: >>141755553 (https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/141743124/#141755553)
ch2: >>142061434 (http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/142056769/#142061434)
ch3: >>143588833
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>>143784661
Such lack of taste, anon.
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>>143785037
I FUCKING LOVE YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH
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>>143783611
>>143783720
>>143783793
>>143784119
>>143784226
This just make the show having a noticeable flaw.
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>>143785279
Yes I agree, Mirage was a mistake
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>>143785279
Agreed whole heartedly. Remove Mirage. There's no point to a love triangle that is purely superficial.
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>>143784500
>And Freyja is a really great character if she managed to stole hearts of all those anons who liked Mirage more in the beginning.

Freyja didn't stole Miragefags heart though, it just Mirage never getting any screentime so Miragefags either drop the show or "alright than, watch for Freyja, i can't do anything after all".

If the characters isn't treating nice to Mirage overall and Freyja is a likeable character, i may already start feeling this is Macross version of Tales of Zestiria.
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Apple farmer boy is so sweet. Like Jesus christ freyja, how could you let that go? Sigh. Now I want him to make an Anime appearance. That boy is just too much perfection
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>>143785324
>>143785343
Problem is, they can't remove her anymore, so it is the noticeable flaw forever.
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>>143784858
not engaging in shipping wars is pretty tough when you secretly do ship two characters. I'm doing fairly fine though, just sitting on the sidelines in silence, ignoring most of the shitposting, collecting fanart off of twitter.
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Just asking why Feyjafags are so aggressive? She won everything but yet her fans still keep attacking Mirage.

Of course, it just her fans, not the character's fault.
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>>143785433
Maybe he can grab the rejected space elf.
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>>143785513
>hoping for a female soldier love interest for years after having two idols in Frontier
>get Mirage
Because Mirage is a disappointed.
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>>143785564
>Because Mirage is a disappointed.
More like the writing skill of this show is a disappointed, even her VA don't really give a fuck about this show in interview.
They never ever try to write her anything worth, at this point she doesn't even need a name, every episode whatever she did is just setting a spotlight to Freyja.
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>>143785477
They're just so cute together.
Their kid will be so cute.
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>>143785477
I don't like shippingwars but they're my OTP.
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>>143785742
Agreed.
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>>143785564
The fact that you blame character but not director or writer is already a unnecessary aggressive to Mirage, it's not like she did anything ruined the show like Biba, it just they never let her do anything, in fact i rather see her going Biba so at least i can hate her and remember she is a chuuni dumbass, not just feel nothing about her.
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>>143774754
Discount Sheryl is perfection.
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>>143785564
>>143785664
>mfw

Better luck on next Macross I guess
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Unlike other people I don't mind what they are doing with Mirage. Actually I like that she feels more normal and less flashy than Hayate and Freyja. The fact that she's giving it her best despite not being a genius pilot or having buffs makes her endearing for me. I like hard workers.
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>>143785924
>been a shitty pilot and scream DELTA 4
>hard work

ok
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>>143785513
It's hilarious to see how determined are Freyjafags to portray Mirage as Mikono that will lose, while Freyja is according to them Zessica that will win, when in their task to attack the Mirage and her fans at any given opportunity, they are pretty much the second coming of Mikonofags.
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>>143785924
I quite like her too. I feel like the most people complaining about her expected milia 2.0
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>>143785982
and instead we get Zessica 2.0
sasuga Kawamori
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>>143785817
>it just they never let her do anything

It's not like it's just Mirage. Nobody gets to do anything. The only character with achievements that could be called his own other than Freyja died.
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>>143773877
Mikumo looks gorgeous here. Ponytail Mikumo needs to be a thing more often.
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I'm a Freyjafag so I don't know how Miragefags are feeling rightnow. But please stop being so salty about her character treatment, she's a main character so she will get her own arc for sure and please stop saying "I heard this since episode 3". There're about 12 episode left so just wait and stop being so salty.
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>>143785982
They are playing with people's expectations with Mirage. Expected a genius ace? Well, get a hard worker instead. Plus, Hayate and Mirage almost feel like the protagonists of a sports manga.
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>>143785924
That is if they ever show how hard work she is.
But they never did it, in fact they have chance in episode 14 since she get decent screentime in this episode, it doesn't even need any triangle plot involved, but they rather make her a fan service item.
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>>143786050
At least he died doing what he loves.
SHINIGAMI.
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>>143785972
>Mirage as Mikono that will lose, while Freyja is according to them Zessica that will win
Did you even watch Evol? Mirage is Zessica (fembro pilot, insecure, jealous of the main girl), Freyja is a non shitty Mikono (main heroine, special connection with MC, everyone loves her, flawless).
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>>143786089
Episode 13.
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>>143786080
>she's a main character so she will get her own arc for sure
I want this meme to end
>>143786084
>hard worker
Proofs?
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>Yasuda: The main triangle consists of Freyja, Hayate and Mirage—we’re aiming for something that feels good, without the syrupy or muddled aspects that you often see in those midday soaps. I want a romance where the viewers feel like they want to watch over these characters.

And it end up making people even more frustrated, in 4chan, in 2ch, in everywhere else.
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>>143786050
Sad truth.
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>>143786161
Ernest had his moment... it's a bad sign for him. Heroic captains don't do that well in mecha anime to begin with.
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>>143786160
>People lie to sell his product
I could have never guessed it
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>>143786160
>And it end up making Miragefags even more frustrated, in 4chan, in 2ch, in everywhere else.
Fixed it for you. I'm Freyja fan and I'm fine with this development.
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>>143786050
Yeah if Mirage, Mikumo, Arad and Chuck getting some great moment means they need to die immediately, go to die then.
I mean that can even make Hayate and Freyja getting even more screentime, wasn't a bad thing after all, right.
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>>143786161
He has no goods. I can't believe it, even though I expect they will release merch of Messer once the show ends.
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>>143786259
Basically this. I would have liked for a better supporting cast but not every show does that.
As it stands now Freyja and Hayate growing into their roles in the windy war is a perfectly enjoyable story.
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>>143786148
That's not a "hard work".
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>>143785924
I would like that hard work if I saw more of it. As you, I don't mind she is not in the spotlight like Freyja and Hayate are, is just she has potential for me with her being a Genius who is not an ace pilot, a pilot that still struggles today to do her best, is active and takes seriously her work etc.

I would like to see more of that but the writers don't want to show it or they are lazy. I don't know why.

>>143786080
I'm a Freyjafag too and I'm hoping Mirage has her moments in the second part. As you said, there are 12 more episodes left and you never know what it might happen. I just don't see anything in the interviews about her that would let us see her growth or something which has made me pessimistic about her character.
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>>143786276
Having the main characters having most of the screentime is how it works
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>>143786259
>>143786315
That's true, other than Freyja and Hayate, none of them should even have a name, just background character #1, 2, 3 is enough.

>>143786350
Let them have 24 out of 24 minutes screen time then.
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>>143786135
>jealous of the main girl
Did Mirage jealous of Freyja?
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>>143786080
>>143786338
Hopeless when every time i get in the thread, Mirage and us always getting attacked by some of Freyjafags.
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I wanna fuck Freyja with her rune

HOINA HOINA GORI GORI
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>>143786350
That's not the point people are trying to make and you know it.
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>>143786440
Correct
>>143786537
Better luck on next Macross
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>>143786544
I wanna suckle her rune.
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>>143786462
Have you even been watching the show?
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>>143786462
So far Mirage is respect Freyja, not jealous.
But at least jealous means she will fuck up something and make me hate her, then i will remember her, so i don't mind writer go this way, otherwise guess i won't remember who she is shortly after the show ended.
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>>143786537
Do you know why? Because you faggots were attacking Freyjabros for the first half of the series with your "Ranka 2.0", "older girls always wins" and other stupid shit. Now it's time for revenge. We are like windniggers revenging NUNS for something they might have done 7 years ago.
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>>143786640
Now post Bogue.
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>>143786537
How about ignoring it? When there're sone delusional shitposter said some shit about Freyja, I just ignored it. Let them continuing shitposting and you just disscussion about the thing that you want to talk.
>>143786544
I want to lick her rune.
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>>143786640
Expect you Freyjafags keep saying "Mirage is irrelevant" since first half of the series, stop acting like you're the victim, your favorite character already won everything.
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>>143786673
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It's pretty pathetic whenever anyone points fingers at one side in the camp, saying they're so aggressive, or they're so butthurt, they're so cancerous. The threads are laid bare for anyone to see, shots are being fired from both sides. Your side is just as shitty as the other. Just shut up already.
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>>143786623
I don't know what they want to implying. Since episode 10 when Hayate have a fun interaction with Freyja she's always gasping. That's a jealousy?
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>>143786723
But they are right
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>>143786723
Now post epsilon's sand nigger!
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>>143786640
>freyjafag
>runefag
My nigga

>>143786673
No thanks
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>>143786723
Okay. Mirage is a great character, well written and contributes greatly to the overall plot. Happy?
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>>143786882
They already did, anon. Game Ovah.
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>>143786764
But I'm not like you Eric. I am winning.
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>>143786783
Yup, and i won't stop as one of the posters that make sure at least 30% of every Macross Delta thread is how "salty"(whatever words you want to label) of us until i saw something i want to see, including she fucked up everything route.
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>>143786893
It didn't happen, so no.
Don't worry, i know it's not Freyja, not Hayate, not any other characters fault, i know which group should i target for.
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>>143786768
Yes. IMO Mirage's jealousy started somewhere around the time when it was revealed that Hayate and Freyja resonate with each other. That's when her gasping to everything freyja and hayate talk about started. Became even more evident when she gave that one look to Freyja in episode 12 after she told Hayate she'd want a rematch. To me that hardass look she gave to Freyja was unnecessary.
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>>143786923
ok
>>143787000
She is jelly because she knows that she won't ever get that level of connection with Hayate
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>>143786036
Fortunately Freyja isn't even remotely close to Mikono 2.0. Mikono was the real problem of the show, not Zessica losing.
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>>143787000
The both of them have shown jealousy, anon. And it's not like Gamlin, Ranka, Sheryl or Misa didn't either. It's normal and I don't mind it as long as they aren't jerks to each other.
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>mfw Reinafag
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>>143787000
But she didn't jealousy to Freyja, seeing how episode 13-14 plot goes, more like she admire her.
That hardass look she gave to Freyja doesn't even connect to episode 13-14, i'm not surprise some animator fucked up this scene, since it happened before in Macross F.
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>>143786570
>>143786783
>>143787065
Thess, why don't kill yourself already?
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>>143787399
I'm no Thess but I am contemplating suicide
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>>143786338
>I would like to see more of that but the writers don't want to show it or they are lazy. I don't know why.

Because writers of Macross Delta are just Kawamori's puppet, unlike Macross Frontier's writer, Yoshino Hiroyuki.
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>>143787554
>implying Hiroyuki is any good
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>>143786570
>Better luck on next Macross
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>>143787598
He's pretty shit in recent years, but seeing how MF sold and how MD going to sell, it seems have balls to against Kawamori isn't a bad thing after all.
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>>143787679
reminder that Sky End was Yoshino's idea. And that writing a triangle that would rile people up was also his idea.
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New to Macross as a whole.

Should I be good just watching Frontier or should I go full autism and watch from the original?
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>>143787720
And you know what, the former part make people go watch the movie, the latter part make people buy the BD/DVDs.
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>>143787736
If you have time I'd recommend watching from the original. If that isn't the case then watch DYRL->Zero->Frontier to get the very basics (mostly because Delta talks a lot about Protoculture, their ruins and fold waves).
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>>143760922
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>>143787736
Frontier is a good starting point, I started with Frontier.
In general you can start from any Macross show you want.
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>>143787770
I get why the triangle would get people into watching the show but it got very vicious, both in the series and between the fans, and I like that so far Delta is avoiding that. Not to mention the Frontier movies did tone down the triangle a lot in comparison.
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>>143787811
I've got plenty of time.

Now I've been shit on before for asking but can I get pointed in the diretion of a download for the original? I have everything else
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>>143787775
Anon, you are fast.
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>>143787679
MF sold better because the romcom element was more prominent. See what most of discussions were about where Frontier was airing. Who gets the dick. That kinda shit prints money.
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>>143787890
Google Bunny Hat's subs.
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>>143787934
*when
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>Freyja is already middle aged

Is joining Walkure her midlife crisis?
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>>143787887
It's not like the thread isn't vicious right now, "faint" triangle is just a dream, and it failed.
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>>143788002
Shit mèm
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>>143787984
Thanks anon
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>>143788018
This is nothing compared to Frontier's threads and discussions everywhere.
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>>143788071
No it is, it just comes with different way.
It just telling them, if they can't avoid making triangle plot, then do it 100%, not half-done and hope people could feel better, and hope it can still sell a lot.
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would you?
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>>143788217
yes
(no homo)
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>>143788217
Faster than light.
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>>143788217
Let's share a selfish kiss.
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>>143788172
Well, Kawamori didn't want the love triangle to begin with, but he was forced to include it. Can't be helped he's half-assing it. The sponsors are to blame.
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>>143778992
This is totally inaccurate. Hayate doesn't blush at any of the girls
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>>143779562
Frontier TV is the worst Macross. Frontier movies however are fucking awesome
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>>143785279
I mean, when you seriously look at the entire degree of Kawamori's work when he does love triangles, doesn't this pretty much always happen? Seriously think about it, with the exception of SDF, it's usually pretty obvious who the winner will be early on.
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>>143786050
To be fair, this isn't exactly something that is unique to Delta
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>Because Frontier was such an even love triangle
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>>143788909
Eh, Frontier did a better job of at least letting the side characters show themselves to be competent within their areas of competency. 7 was a lot like Delta in that respect though.
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>>143787679
>but seeing how MF sold and how MD going to sell, it seems have balls to against Kawamori isn't a bad thing after all.
With that logic, Fukuda is the greatest director for the Gundam franchise ever since nothing will ever beat SEED on TV again.

The 00s was a different time than the 10s economic wise especially for mecha anime
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>>143788996
But the side characters are competent in their areas of competency. Except maybe Mirage, but I am stretching that one. I can't think of anybody other than her who I think isn't doing their role well
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>>143788860
I never not talking about triangle, i'm talking about character development.
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>>143789079
That's not changing my point.

I think you and others are too unnecessarily comparing this to how Frontier did things and that's the issue
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>>143789013
>With that logic, Fukuda is the greatest director for the Gundam franchise ever since nothing will ever beat SEED on TV again.

That it's true, til Crossage sold mediocre, thankfully.
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>>143789134
I'm not the anon that comparing with Frontier.
Even not exclusively talking about Mirage, where is teamwork fighting they promised? all i see is Messer carrying everyone(til he died), Hayate doing nothing til he enter Freyja's cheat code, Mirage always getting shoot, Arad and Cuck always afk.
Meanwhile, Keith always being "1v1 with me faggot", Bogue...well at least he actually doing his job, all others are afk.
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>>143788699
this

tv episodes 24, songs and soundtrack are good though
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>>143789384
>tv episodes 24,
You meant 25
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>>143789013
>Fukuda is the greatest director for the Gundam franchise
We don't have much info about sales from VHS era.
But if we consider only SEED, 00, Age, GBF, Greco and IBO then Fukuda is indeed the greatest Gundam director in the 21st century. And >>143774685 is just another proof of it.
One day he will come back and save us with SEED movies or Cross Ange season 2.
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>>143789142
>>143789476
So you believe profit=quality?
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>>143789066
In no way is Mirage doing any worse than Chuck from what we see on screen. Hayate is marginally better but not by all that much. Arad never actually gets shown doing anything so who the fuck knows what's going on with him, but he's supposed to be nearly as good as Messer.

But that's the exact problem with how Delta is portrayed in the series, they go back and forth between easily handling mindcontrolled NUNS grunts to being completely ineffectual against named characters, then Freyja has a rungasm while singing Hayate becomes a newtype and that's the only reason they aren't all dead like Messer.
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>>143789376
>where is teamwork fighting they promised
They do do the team work fighting. It was in episode 9 and 13 if I recall. However I am pretty sure the teamwork they were referring to was between Hayate and Freyja
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>>143789498
It's not like Sunrise gives a shit about quality.
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>>143789500
Well of course they can handle NUNS grunts. They are using 171s. And Aerial Knights>NUNS grunts in general. Especially when Keith is involved.
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>>143789558
>I am pretty sure the teamwork they were referring to was between Hayate and Freyja
No it's not, i don't mind Hayate and Freyja partnering, i don't mind Freyja buffing Hayate, but they clearly said it's about teamwork dog fighting, and i did not see this at all.
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tfw no silent hacker on the walkure attack album
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>>143789558
>It was in episode 9 and 13 if I recall.
Episode 13? it just Hayate using his cheat mode to beat Keith.
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>>143789768
>but they clearly said it's about teamwork dog fighting
Yet another lie to sell the series
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>>143789882
But they did try to team up on him first
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Can someone remind me where they said it would be about teamwork dogfighting? The only thing I remember them talking about it was that the show would focus on dogfighting and that it was supposed to be like Plus
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>>143789915
And it's only something like 20 seconds, and after that Chuck afk again.
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>>143789768
>but they clearly said it's about teamwork dog fighting
Source? I would like a direct quote this time.

>>143789882
>Buffer class buffs
>DPS class does damage while buffed
It's perfect teamwork.
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>>143789950
They didn't. The people claming they did are speaking out of their asses.
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>>143789768
>i did not see this at all.

There's tiny bits of it here and there, mostly between Hayate and Mirage. The most screen time it gets is in episode 6. Most people focus on the end of it where she gets cornered, but they go back and forth working together throughout the fight until Bogue charges the Aether at which point they get separated because Hayate successfully immitates Messer and uses an asteroid to reverse directions more quickly.

You also see some of it in episode 9 (Hayate and Mirage again) but Messer is the focus so except for their perfect sync drone shoot down it doesn't stand out much. They start out with a bit in episode 13 but it completely fails to actually have any impact because Keith.

Basically dogfighting teamwork gets exactly as much attention as Mirage does and is deeply tied to her character development. You're fucked if you want to see it.
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>>143789996
Actually I found the source myself:
>Is the challenge this time having a unit take on the songstress role?
>Yasuda: Because both sides are fighting in teams, “teamwork” is one of the big themes that has emerged. In Frontier, you had a lot of one-on-one dogfights in space; this time, we’ve got dogfights within an atmosphere as well as teams going head-to-head, so there is a lot more going on in each shot.
It's not "teamwork dogfighting". It's "fighting in teams" and "teamwork". Two separate things. "Fighting in teams" is Delta vs Knights. "Teamwork" is Hayate-Freyja. Yasuda didn't lie.
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>>143789950
>>143789996
http://v-storage.bandaivisual.co.jp/talk/interview/36993/
>そうですね。ビジュアル的には、やっぱりチーム戦ということで
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9E%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B9%CE%94
>本作の主要テーマとしてチーム戦(チームワークやチームプレイ)
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That 80 's animation tho. Giving me severe throwback feels to when I was still a sperm
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>>143789996
It's more like a group of mid levels is facing an enemy that's way too high level for them and a max level buff class who isn't even in the group wanders by and buffs up one of their members hard enough to finish the encounter without the rest of the group.
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>>143790193
Fuck, forgot to post the actual link
https://karice.wordpress.com/2016/05/29/p509
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>>143790193
Again i said i don't mind Hayate-Freyja, but there is no "fighting in teams"(whatever the word they using), all i see is Hayate and Freyja doing everything.
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>>143790193
> this time, we’ve got dogfights within an atmosphere as well as teams going head-to-head, so there is a lot more going on in each shot.

What a fucking liar.
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>>143790262
It's Freyja doing everything, Hayate is as useless as anyone else without Freyja. Freyja is the clear standout within Walkure.
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>>143790262
Like it should be, the rest of the squad is just on the background
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>>143790262
He explains it in the same paragrpah
>you had a lot of one-on-one dogfights in space; this time, we’ve got dogfights within an atmosphere as well as teams going head-to-head,
Fighting in teams is multiple fighters vs multiple fighters as opposed to one fighter vs one fighter like for example in Plus.
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>>143790351
There's a lot more of characters yelling out each other's call signs in each shot. So that's something.
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>>143790351
>>143790262
We are literally having teams going head-to-head though by definition
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Are you guys still arguing about this shit? This is still about Mirage not getting the screentime you wanted isn't it? For fucks sake, it's either a)she will get her arc later as there is half the show left (i mean these last two/three episodes is the most screentime she's had in the whole series) or b)It wasn't meant to be that kind of show to begin with and you just had different expectations because of Frontier
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>>143790511
Stop trying put anyone that complaining the show's noticeable issue are Frontierfag.
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>>143790616
"Mirage isn't getting the amount of screentime I wanted and that makes me angry" isn't a valid complaint, especially when the show is starting to fix that lately. She isn't getting romantic development but Hayate isn't showing romantic feelings to anybody at all.
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5 stages of grief:

1. Denial
>"Mirage will win!", "Older girl always wins!", "She will get her episode soon!"

2. Anger <- miragefags are here right now
>"What a shitty show", "It's bad writing", "they lied to us!"

3. Bargaining

4. Depression

5. Acceptance
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>>143790741
Rankafags are still at stage 2.

Minmayfags are on a different plane entirely, namely "Kawamori said she never actually loved him!"
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>>143790683
Who the fuck is asking Mirage's romantic development? i'm asking character development.

>>143790741
Don't worry i will be forever in step 2 because that's the message staff keep giving to me.
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Messer was a huge crutch for Delta squad. he had to go. Same way with Keith really, though he may come back. I'm actually interested to see what the next engagement will be like when presumably Bogue leads the engagement
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>>143790857
I seriously seriously hope Bogue becomes the temp White Knight.
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>>143790795
>Minmayfags are on a different plane entirely, namely "Kawamori said she never actually loved him!"

From the very start Minmay was playing around, even Hikaru himself knew she was unattainable.

Pic related. That was the episode that sealed the deal.
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>>143790828
>Who the fuck is asking Mirage's romantic development?
People in this thread and others
>i'm asking character development.
It is there though. Remember how angry she used to be at Hayate but then he stopped being a dick so she stopped being angry and now they are flight buddies and there's the wrinkle. I seriously believe Hayate and Mirage have a very good flight buddy relationship, probably the best next to Alto and Michel. I think Hayate's bond with Freyja is stronger but I also think Mirage's friendship with him is at a good point right now and it's been going at a decent pace.

You are still expecting things from the show that either it was never planning to do or hasn't done yet.
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>>143790857
Keith is probably coming back soon, see >>143782281
>but also the non romantic triangle of Roid, Keith and Heinz
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>>143782281
>the non romantic triangle of Roid, Keith and Hein
>Non romantic

BULLSHIT

But seriously, who will win the onii-chan bowl? Will Heinz realize that Roid really cares about him or will he fuck it up?
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>>143790988
>It is there though.
It's not here, all the things you pointed out are suddenly happened, i don't even know why the fuck Mirage start blushing Hayate in episode 10.

Go believe what you want and i don't care, what i want is Mirage actual development part(i don't care is that development about triangle or not), not being background and yelling Hayate/Delta 5/4/So fast/beautiful in every fucking episode.
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>>143790939
Okay but what about in DYRL when they very much did have feelings for each other but then Misa happened.

The entire climax of that movie where she screams at him about how she doesn't want to sing because they were Misa's lyrics and "why aren't we the only two people in the world?" thing, how does that not work without love being involved?
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>>143790511
>This is still about Mirage not getting the screentime you wanted isn't it?

Yes and we won't stop until she get screentime.

>>143790683
>especially when the show is starting to fix that lately.

We will see, but until they completely fix it, we won't stop.
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>>143791157
>all the things you pointed out are suddenly happened
Episode 1-3: Tenuous relationship. Hayate is a dick, Mirage is angry at him
Episode 4-5: Getting better. First signs that Hayate is over his asshole period when he stands up for Mirage and Freyja to Messer
Episode 6: They find common ground over wanting to prove they are better than Messer thinks of them. Hayate gets his first kill and they talk about it
Episode 7+: Flight buddies like I said. As for the blushing thing, hey this is Macross. People have fallen in love for far lesser reasons pic related.

Do I think she's getting less screentime than Freyja? No shit, she's not an idol and the story is not about her. Freyja and Hayate are connected by the nature of the plot. But they're not doing as bad as you think. It's really not that much different than Gamlin
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>>143791159
>that not work without love being involved

It's an in world movie.
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>>143791157
It didn't usddenly happen you blind dimwitted faggot.

You're just full of shit
>what i want is Mirage actual development part

What you want is Millia 2.0
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>>143791344
>It's an in world movie.
Everything in the franchise is a movie and everything is canon. That sorry excuse doesn't work at all. I'll accept that they were in different worlds in SDF but face that she just face that she just does not win in the movie
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>>143790857
Honestly a lot of death's need to happen so that the show and character development can pick up. I'm so upset and disappointed with these current newtype ranks.

Like lets be real here. Honestly they should have just went with Mikumo/Freyja for the triangle. It would have been more interesting. That's already gone bad though, and we have to work with her. I just can't see them saving her though. Like she geniunly has nothing that stands out as "wow," she's hurting the development of other characters too. My stance on her is weird because i'm bashing her, but I don't want to, but I have to. They should have though her through, rather than winging her. Mirage fans don't deserve this. The whole point of a triangle is suppose to be a 50-50 shot, with audience having a difficult time picking who should win. This triangle is not fun.

Then we having fucking Walkure. What was the point of creating 5 members if they didn't plan on establishing all of them? Seriously it's been 13 episodes and that it? They might as well have had it been Just Mikumo as the sole idol of Walkure and Kaname a retired idol who now works as bridge bunny. The thing is an idol group is suppose to be as strong as their weakest members and right now Makina/Reina are not cutting it. Why are you going to create them and do nothing with them? Oh Makina loves mechs yet she rarely talks about them. Reirei likes hacking yet she barely talks about computer stuff. Like research and depth should have went into these 5 girls, making them loved should have been a priority. Makina dialogue in the show, should be what mecha fan boys are thinking while watching. While Reina should be talking about idk computer shit that makes computer fans geek out. And it's not just Reina and Makina but Kaname and Mikumo too. Like wtf

Then you have Chaos. I won't even get started. Chuck,and Arad need to die. Then Herman, and the other guy needs to die too.
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>>143791337
As everything are about Hayate, not Mirage.
Get it now? i don't fucking care about she win the Hayatebowl or not, i want her development, not how she pushing Hayate.
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>>143791337
Shitposters on both sides are going to roast me for this, but I think the writers are doing a better job of giving Mirage consistent episode by episode development than they did with Gamlin. She is lacking in episodes focused specifically on her which he did eventually get though, but we're only halfway. (Not going to count 14 since it's comic relief/fanservice rather than character focused.)
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>>143791418
>The whole point of a triangle is suppose to be a 50-50 shot
Oh please. That literally only applies to SDF and DYRL. Everything past that you can obviously see who's going to win from quite early in the show. I mean did you really think Ranka truly ever had a chance for one?

The point of a triangle is a romantic entanglement between three parties, not that they have to be equal. Aquarion is a pretty good example of that
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>>143791418
Wow. Fuck off.
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>>143777742
That's what they are.
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>day 3 without subs
>shitposting went off limits, nothing can stop it at this point
>Jaka and Vale at ggkthx.org are all laughing
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>>143791418
autism
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>>143790939
Not this "Minmay is an unattainable inhuman song messiah" meme again. She even fucked her own cousin.
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>>143791463
You'll get roasted by that insane miragefag for sure. Anything less than 100% mirage and nothing else and he spergs out about how the show is wasted. Which means he's always sperging out about how the show is wasted. I'm getting tired of his shit
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>>143791418
Your entire thing about Walkure would make more sense if this was, like, an actual idol show like Idolm@ster or something but it's Macross. There's no room for stuff like that. Kawamori can do that sort of thing with something like AKB0048 anyway

Also Mikumo/Freyja would not have been interesting at all. He just did that. It's not in Mikumo's character to be in love anyway
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>>143773914
>steal the show
>Freyja BTFOS both Mirage and Mikumo in polls

I find Mikumo and Mirage pretty boring and cliche. Freyja is a twist on genki girls.
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>>143791697
Youd be surprise
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>>143791662
The unattainable thing I sort of get because it is pretty clear that in SDF Minmay was not really that into Hikaru. So if we're talking about in terms of just that, it makes sense.

This however does not apply to DYRL where there is clearly romantic feelings on all sides

>She even fucked her own cousin.
Hey, no. She was pure.

>>143791638
Was this part of their plan?
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>>143774279
I don't see any favoritism. She's the main heroine. What did you expect?
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>>143791638
>Soon the riots will start on the streets
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>>143791159
>The entire climax of that movie where she screams at him about how she doesn't want to sing because they were Misa's lyrics and "why aren't we the only two people in the world?" thing, how does that not work without love being involved?
That wasn't love. Actually it's a bit more complex than that and it all depends on what you consider and define love. You always have to keep in mind that this is a Japanese anime, and Japan has a very complex culture. Especially in regards to love.

That scene is actually one of my favorites and I can't decide between that scene or the last 5 minutes of the original scene.

Minmay was being selfish in that scene. She was afraid that her song wouldn't work, and she didn't have any hope. She just wanted to live her life as a normal girl, and Hikaru made her feel normal, as if she wasn't an idol. You can argue that she loved him, but it's kinda clear that she is mistaking her feelings.

When Hikaru slaps her, and talks about not having a family and loosing the people he considered as family (roy, and the other guy), then she realizes how selfish she was acting.

Then during the silence someone blows up in front of them and she realizes that this is way. So she sings her song. Once she sings her song, and realizes that it is in fact helping to alleviate the war, she is filled with immense joy, and remembers why she began singing in the first place. Because she loves singing. The immense happiness she got from singing that song, Hikaru could never give her.
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>>143791703
For what it's worth, mikumo is still my second favourite. I like her characterization a lot, there's more to it than being smug, haughty miss confident.
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>>143774446
>they're still
Just two Mirageshitters who are bitter and can only see their girl winning if Freyja is written out the picture.
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>>143791463
I agree in certain respects. Gamlin existed for the first third of the series to basically be a living joke and to make Basara look better. However, I can't agree with that in total because Gamlin does get his own level of screentime and moments. Remember when he had to save Milia and Mylene from terrorists? Or when his teammates all died and he was the last Diamond Force left. They did give him some actual moments after a fair amount of the series

Unfortunately some of that screentime is just him getting cucked by Basara who isn't even interested in the pink brat anwyay
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>>143791692
>Anything less than 100% mirage
Funny when this "less than 100%" actually means not even 5%.
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>>143791921
Okay now you're just being overly pedantic.

What do you even mean not even 5%? What were the last like three episodes? They gave Mirage focus.
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>>143777446
>>Minorin says that an upcoming episode might be end up being an episode she likes the most, and that she gets to sing a song of a person she likes very much.

What if she sings a Basara song?
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Nobody ever complains that Misa gets like no merchandise at all
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>>143792009
She like Ranka's VA a lot.
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>>143791998
I made this after episode 8. Not sure how many % it is.
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>>143792009
Please let it be Try Again, in that case.
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>>143791998
I hate episode 14 because when sure Mirage getting some screen time, they wasted her in stupid fan service comedy shit, also this means they made another lie-"no breathe episode".
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>>143777944
Top kek.

At least we won't expect too much. It's already said this cour focuses on her being a girl instead of a soldier, so those fags who thought she'll randomly become an ace got BTFO hard.
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>>143792063
It tastes like salt
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>>143792100
It was an aftermath episode and it did deal with the Macross' themselves in danger so they really haven't lied.
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>>143792278
Yeah say whatever you want about it's breathe or not, it's still wasting.
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>>143792063
Now try doing something like that with episode 12.

Also episode 8 was 100% a Freyja episode
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Lot of salt going around this thread
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>>143791850
>However, I can't agree with that in total because Gamlin does get his own level of screentime and moments.

I'm fairly certain Mirage will get some sort of focus episode that isn't just showing off her tits before the end of the show. Obviously not the same amount Gamlin had, there's not enough room in Delta for that. I can see why people are skeptical of it coming, but with the slow episode by episode development they've given her it would be an odd move not to have some sort of capstone.
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>>143792100
You're totally right, anon. Everything should just be episode 10 over and over. there's 4 deltas and 5 knights left. So we can have one bite the bucket each remaning episode. Then we can start offing walkure. I'm glad you had this terrific idea on and that you're such a pro when it comes to directing anime. Why aren't you a famous director?
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Hayate/Freyja/Second son kun would have been a better triangle. It would be about Freyja's decision to stay in Windermere or pursue different worlds. Besides there's more chemistry between her and her best friend in two manga pages than between Mirage and Hayate in 14 episodes.
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>>143792428
Yeap. I guess people are going mad from lack of subs? I just ignore most of it. But I hope GG is on time from now on, if these threads are an indication for how it's like when they're not
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>>143785433
He was the main reason why she hesitated to answer about not returning to Windermere. He's HUGE AS FUCK while everyone else is small.

I wish he had come along and the triangle was between them and Hayate. He's just too sweet.
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>>143792484
Mirage and Hayate do have good chemistry though. Just not romantically yet. They are good <<Buddies>>
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>>143792435
I don't think getting more attention is the point. Last episode had some focus on her, but all she did was getting flustered.

The point is what they make her do with her screentime. She has little to no plot-relevance, and her only goal is to become a better pilot, which she won't because the plot is pushing her to become Hayate's support in battle.

So yeah, they can give her more attention. It won't do her any good though.
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>>143786462
She's not jealous about Hayate (maybe) but she's jealous when she's enjoying her chosen job and living it at the fullest.
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Well anyway, Delta's still going pretty strong
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>>143792484
Even though Freyja run away was due to don't wanna get married in episode 1, i'm still not surprise that Second son kun is just mangaka's idea and Kawamori let him have some freedom to create him-because he will never show up in the anime, unfortunately.
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>>143786050
>Nobody gets to do anything.
Mikumo certainly did. Kaname did too. As did Keith, Ernest and Heinz.
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I see we've traded in "Why aren't they doing anything with Mikumo" for something else as this thread indicates
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>>143792622
> which she won't because the plot is pushing her to become Hayate's support in battle.
Now i start a bit understand that crazy anon, i guess he want Mirage living for her own, not for someone else(Hayate), right?
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>>143792837
This sounds exactly like that stupid theory about how Freyja should pull a Minmay.
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>>143787204
>i'm not surprise some animator fucked up this scene, since it happened before in Macross F.
Freyja was puzzled at that look. How how she reacted. So it's not a fuck up. She was mostly clueless of why she got glared at.
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>>143792662
That's like 10-12k sales first week. I didn't expect Frontier numbers, but right now Delta is losing to Symphogear GX. Why? I don't understand.
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>>143792837
>living for her own
I don't know what he wants. Personally, I'd just would like her to stand out in battle sometimes, and also for her own little storyline to get somewhere.
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>>143793052
because "not muh macross fags"
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>>143792670
A true alpha man would never let his bitch away. Second son kun was too weak for such brave and ambitious girl like Freyja.
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>>143792622
>She has little to no plot-relevance

Like everyone except Hayate and Freyja (and probably Mikumo), they'd need t completely restructure the show for there to be any room for the pilots to be relevant. You can fairly consider that to be a flaw in the show, but it's not exclusive to Mirage.

Regarding her character development, her goal isn't to become a better pilot so much as it is to live up to her name which she wants to do by become a better pilot. The tension within her character is that it is ultimately her pathological focus on living up to the expectations on her that is holding her back with advancing in the field she wants to use to live up to those expectations (this is why she flies by the book and is completely unwilling and unable to improvise, it's a form of perfectionism). The most likely resolution, which will come through her relationship with Hayate, is that she will learn to embrace her own reason for flying (this neatly gives her storyline a parallel with Heinz, Freyja, and Mikumo's reason to sing stuff thus tying into the wider themes of the show) and to as Hayate put it "fly how she wants to fly." After that her primary character arc will be complete, she'll probably improve some as a pilot but not enough to stand out against Hayate when wind buffed. The thing is, that doesn't matter because the actual issue for her character development is her inability to progress not how much she stands out as a pilot.
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>>143793052
Didn't frontier kick in with more sales later in the series?
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>>143793121
So yeah, living for her own, even to the death.
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GG pls send subs. Miragefags are losing control so hard that they've twisted their goal from Mirage winning to Mirage becoming a somewhat decent character
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>>143793253
Damn you're a retard.
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>>143793052
>That's like 10-12k sales first week.
I'm pretty sure if we include the other discs it's like 15k
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>>143788018
Most people who criticize Mirage, do it because she's almost a side character in the show. Those who shit on Freyja are shitposters or really butthurt Miragefags though.

It's less about Hayate and more than the girls aren't treated equally.
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>>143788515
>>143788217
He'll cuck Hayate and fuck Freyja, right? Male Kumo would be your typical shoujo dark tall, mysterious and handsome jerk with a heart of gold who gets the plucky heroine.
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>>143792063
That's not fair to how she's portrayed in episode 8, the sequence with the flashbang is clearly intended to showcase the growing rapport between Mirage and Hayate and it happens without her saying a single line.

If you want to complain about episode 8 and Mirage, complain about how that plan utterly fails just so the AWindies can look extra strong and Freyja can give a speech about apples.
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>>143793327
Come on there are some people keep saying Mirage is side character, and side character dies in Macross series isn't a rare thing(even important one), so it will be interesting to see if Mirage living for her own then died, also i want to see 2ch/2chan etc react to that.
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Petition for second son-kun to join Delta, kick the fuck out of Hayate's ass, become the Ace, and marry both freyja and Mirage before flying off into the sunset
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>>143793211
>The thing is, that doesn't matter because the actual issue for her character development is her inability to progress not how much she stands out as a pilot.
For her character development, sure. But I'm sure her fans do want her to stand out, since she's the only "relevant" female pilot and supposedly a main character. Sure that's probably not where the story is going, but it's not hard to understand why that's somewhat disappointing.
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So in other news, I love Freyja
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>>143790204
None of that states that teamwork is between the pilots, retard. The series prototype was always PILOT RESONATES WITH IDOL, SHIT HAPPENS.

The team is Idol+Pilot. There's a fucking ENDING about it where Freyja is officially Hayate's SUPPORT.
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>>143793366
But it seems most Miragefags(count all of them comppaining are Miragefags for now) are shitting on staff, not Freyja.
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>>143793542
Well to make myself clear, I do think they're going to give her a chance to stand out, but I don't think it will be an episode by episode thing. It'll probably be a one off deal. Maybe she'll get a scene specific to her in the finale too if her fans are lucky.
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>>143793442
We needed a scene to establish that they were just physically outmatched completely vs Windermerean males in their primes that have also undergone close combat training. The scene still delivers that the oumatched earthlings were acting smart, and sneakily and had a good idea, but neither they nor we realized what they were up against there.
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>>143790193
You're misunderstanding him. Delta function as an extension of Walkure. The Aerial Knights targets are WALKURE, Delta are their bodyguards.

They are fighting in teams, but not necessarily involves pilots as team mate. Shit, they even put the idol on the backseat of the Siegfrieds to make this shit obvious to dummyheads like you.
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>>143793686
>>143793686
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>>143793660
Sounds like it will just make them even more mad.
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>>143793690
Oh sorry, you didn't misunderstand him. I agree with you, people are retarded of really expected Max and Milia 2.0 and got BTFO because it'll never happen because Mirage is no Milia. If Keith was a girl, then sure.
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>>143793587
Welcome to the club. For some reason it's become tradition to spoiler hayafre stuff here.
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>>143793730
Messer and Keith would have been the progressive Max and Millia
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>>143793708
Perhaps, I don't really care about the actual triangle result but I do like Mirage as a character so depending on how you want to do your definitions you could consider this to be coming from a Miragefag. If I'm in the ballpark of where they're going with it I'll be satisfied, I'll be irritated if things turn out the way the pessimists predict, but generally speaking the reality of the show isn't the way they observe it to be so I don't put much stock in their predictions.
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I still think that Delta's the only series where I actually liked both girls in the triangle
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>>143793868
From the getgo? Probably.
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>>143793843
So yeah, Mirage need go to die(but need to have some shinning moment before she dies) so i can go check everywhere's reaction.
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>>143790795
Kawamori is a Minmayfag and the whole point of her character is that she cannot be attained. Hikaru realized it in episode 27 before they artificially stretched the story and made it a soap opera.
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>>143791159
DYRL Minmay isn't love Hikaru. She loved to be with Hikaru because he gave her an exit to her star routine she was becoming tired to. I think Sheryl's feelings for Alto in the show, before episode 6, were alike this. Some kind of "it's fun being around you, I get to be a nonstar" sensation. Minmay didn't love him but she loved being around him which got her feelings muddled and confused.

She immediately gets over it. If she had truly loved him, she wouldn't have get over Hikaru in minutes. What shattered was an illusion of love which made it still painful until she realized herself.
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