Black Goku got BTFO'd by a regular Super Saiyan Goku
but how did he get goku's body? goku died in the original time line and by the looks of it, black's body has heart problems too. I haven't seen the sub yet, so I can only guess
>not switching your brain off while watching super
While i agree that anon is retarded for missing such basic info, it's alot easier to enjoy while not thinking about it too much.
I agree with anons saying it was largely because Black was being sucked back to the future, Marty.
But I actually prefer the idea Black was losing, and like Goku, he's going to heal up, level up, and wreck when he comes back.
>Have a chance to make a decent storyline about a Goku who wasn't raised by a kind grandpa. Or a Goten who's plagued by loss, cuts his hair and ends up looking like his father using his name
>Cop out and go the safe pussy route we've seen a thousand times of 'muh alien in muh body'.
Fuck this series, again.
if you seriously thought black was going to be a threat, you were being stupid.
let's assume he was capable of taking on and even overpowering a super saiyan blue goku. there's still vegeta, beerus, and whis.
and while they both claim they'd rather die, fusion will always be a viable option.
unless black gets a powerup that allows him to just completely wreck the gods or lock them away somewhere, he will just be a minor speedbump at best. that's the direction super has taken the series.
idiots will say something like claiming only dbzfags will hate this, but the point is not even the original DB was this devoid of tension. yes, it was primarily a comedy, but it accomplsihed this without shitty forced pilaf gang scenes awkwardly jammed into otherwise emotional moments. it didn't have to use product placement out the ass where it didn't belong. yeah, goku essentially remained unchallenged by villains... until Tao showed up. Things got plenty serious back then and it was better that way. Super is so fucking boring as it is right now because it keeps ending the same.
"lul we are so silly this is so stupid hey we are having fun. oh no this guy who acts like he's a serious villain shows up. let's pretend this guy can actually hurt us for like 3 episodes and then just swiftly deal with him. ok now that we've done that, let's spend 4 episodes showing goku and vegeta eating featured japanese food with beerus and whis. oh and ed, edd, and eddy are trying to scam bulma for her jawbreakers yet again. SO SILLEH! XDXDXD"
fucking cancer. save for the shitty dancing brothers, GT was better than this and its insulting that anyone would suggest otherwise.
Does any of the time travel actually make sense? I'm assuming this goes by multiverse theory right? But Whis seems to act as though it isn't multiverse. Is it just bad writing in the end?
>there's still vegeta, beerus, and whis.
I really don't like Beerus and Whis.
As long as they're around and still that much more stronger than everyone else, there's not going to be any tension in the series.
I don't like Beerus because everyone has no problems with being friends with him even though he's a petty genocidal asshole ("It's his job" isn't an excuse). They should hate him, he's a monster.
if black WAS strong enough to destroy them all then and there (minus whis/beerus) the two gods wouldn't have stood up and fought him, they've made that perfectly clear multiple times that they couldnt give a toss about the Earth.
Black didn't even transform yet
Nigga is almost mystic tier in base form
he is getting there by being a masochist
>villain who gets stronger every time he feels pain
>starts out relatively weak
>WOW WHAT A PUSSY VILLAIN AND THAT GUY IS SUPPOSED TO BE A THREAT??
Why are DB fags such absolute retards?
Irony of all ironies, Black Goku does have a darker tone of skin compared to the actual Goku.
You can actually notice this when they exchange punches through their hands, unless he's just like that due to not bathing.
Well, it's sealed now pretty much.
Neither Son-Goku nor Vegeta will defeat this guy.
Not because they cannot do it, but probably Beerus and Whis won't allow it.
It would cause too much trouble with the time stuff.
I bet 2 coins that Trunks is gonna train and also tap into God powers, travels back and defeat Black.
>villain who gets stronger every time he feels pain
>Villain who gets stronger with each minute passing
Reminds me of someone.
literally best pure saiyan dad
how can one compete?
>Gets more powerful with every hit, like he has some kind of zenkai on steriods ability
>Black states this outright
>Goku still doesn't go godmode and kill him as fast as possible
This won't end well.
Speaking of which, there should be another time-machine in the future too.
A, Future Trunks time machine that's smoldering hot like ASHLEY from ME1.
B, Cell's time machine from the, well, aborted timeline, and
C, Future Trunks' dopplergänger timemachine, the one his timeline's Cell wanted to use.
If that isn't the case, i'm fucking surprised Bulma from the future didn't think of including THE TIME MACHINE DESIGNS in the fucking notes.
Oh well, it's anime, and it's DB. It's toriyama related, so it's fucking pointless anyway.
Have to agree here.
>Hey, i just arrived in the time machine, let's LEAVE IT OUT IN THE FUKCING OPEN WHERE EVEN PILAF COULD STEAL IT.
don't forget he has a thing for making his powers perfect
just like cell
Nope, according to Super, and what we've known before, is that Saiyan lifespans are pretty much triple/double of an average one.
He didn't have a mid-life crisis, he had a pre-matured crisis. Consdier that he was going to through his own saiyan-emo years while fighting Goku and such. Then matured, and had that crisis in the Buu saga. He turned 18/25 depending on how you want to look at it mentally/psychically.
>Nope, according to Super, and what we've known before, is that Saiyan lifespans are pretty much triple/double of an average one.
Not according to Toriyama. Goku dies in his 60s in DBO, which is supposed to be canon.
I don't think he actually wants to never die anymore. He's seen the afterlife and knows that it's nice. He knows that he and Goku will both go there one day and that they're rivalry will go on forever. That's what he wants.
He died twice, and it's not too fucking bad, Goku got better too. Why would he need immortality, when someone else is going to just cop out his death?
Pls no Golden Cell, he'd look like a grown up Golden Armor megaman.
Apparently Goku black can't turn Super Saiyan. This also plays into the !Goku aspect, and his darker skin can arguably because of his inhabitor. Or not bathing(Ew, shouldn't he have a beard like Vegeta and Goku did after long training periods?)
It's clear that whoever is using Goku's body is a body snatcher.
Is he gonna get train by his daddy and become beyond a super saiyan?
That way when Beerus comes to his earth. He will be ready.
That's exactly why I don't like them
They're so involved with Goku and Vegeta via training and Beerus being a brat and loving GOOD FOOD, hanging out with the cast and other bullshit, but then as soon as trouble comes along, you can just have them say "WELL, WE'RE GODS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, GO CLEAN UP YOUR OWN MESS!"
If they're not going to help out the cast, then don't make them so involved, especially for silly shit like GOOD FOOD
so did she remembered she have comic relief powers?
Don't tell me arale is gonna show up and beat the shit out of beerus soon
>goku jobs it up instead of killing black immediately
>he gets drawn back to the future
>destroys the timemachine
Some real shit writing going on. Feels like every cheap fetch quest in a kMMO.
the pain makes him stronger so yeah
>Retards are still trying to spam this meme
Please stop projecting your abandonment issues on to DB, Amerifat.
>gives him hope
>gives him hope
Yes, Goku will fight to protect his children (not that Goku needs much convincing for fighting). But at everything else about being a parent, he's pretty bad, abandoning his family for long periods of time.
the black clothes and the non retarded goku look made him cool
>But at everything else about being a parent
>abandoning his family for long periods of time.
He was dead retard and both times he died saving Gohan's live.
>not being angry all the time=retarded look
Wew retards a plenty in this thread
>He could have come back to life if he wanted to,
No he couldn't dumbass.
I saw Vegeta at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
>Black Goku is literally a walking corpse being controlled by some mysterious fag
Wew lad we Walking dead now
They weren't the same Dragon Balls, it's how Krillin and co. got to come back to life after the Freeza saga.
I wish I had the page showing Goku refusing to come back to show it to you.
Guess Trunks time line still got the chance of cute little Sayian Babys.
Piccolo and Piccolofags confirmed for stupid hypocrites
This is how black people think. It's the same with the whole "Future Trunks would be disappointed in Gohan, even though he's actually stronger that Future Gohan and is living a good life".
>They weren't the same Dragon Balls, it's how Krillin and co. got to come back to life after the Freeza saga.
Why are DB threads filled with faggots who don't remember shit about the series and state their bullshit as fact?
Not who you replied to, but here is the page
>This is how black people think
>Gotenfags write a completely nonsensical fanfiction with absolutely nothing to back it up and gets surprised and angry when it gets proven false
This fanbase is the gift that keeps on giving.
>future gohan was only trained by piccolo
Died in a puddle.
>main timeline gohan had the shitty influence of goku
Saved the Earth from Cell, married with a child and achieved his childhood dream of being scholar
>Gohanfags STILL think their character is relevant
Face it, even Pilaf has gotten twice as much screen time than Gohan ever will throughout the entirety of Super.
The sausages are RIGHT THERE. Are Beerus and Whis blind?
the time machine literally did nothing wrong.
Fucking niggers never breaking things
>not freaked out by him chilling with Goku and the others
>knows Vegeta, who died decades ago in his time line
>can barely keep up with SSJ Goku
>happy that he is alone on a dead future earth
what the fuck is going on
>(戦闘力無限大!! セルという名の破壊神誕生; lit. "Infinite attack power! A God of Destruction called Cell is born")
Because he is one.
Gohan went beyond infinity.
>personality and memories.
Speaking of that, i wonder if we have multiple realities of ourselves? Hie would someone you know on earth be suddenly forgotten in the afterlife if they went to hell?
Kid trunks is going through some existential crisis
>woohoo now I've got this dead and empty mud ball all for myself
If he wanted a training ground he could have picked any random planet in the galaxy. Also, why would Trunks be the 'last hope'? The guy is dozens of leagues below Beerus and other DB Super characters who should all be fine in his timeline.
I actually never thought it was that weird that a human could make an android stronger than freiza. There is a lot of technology on earth that isn't found anywhere else in the universe (capsules, sensu beans, delicious food. Also if you think about it no matter how strong you are it would still hurt to punch a big metal object.
He is. Same with Vegeta after he unlocked Super Cyan.
SSJ3 Gotenks (a fusion) literally couldn't lay a hand on base form Vegeta.
Base form Veggie and Goku are incredibly overpowered now.
well he did say that he fucked up a lot of planets along the way and is using the current plant to 'perfect' his powers.
probably his gonna move into another planet after his done with it.
>SSJ3 Gotenks (a fusion) literally couldn't lay a hand on base form Vegeta.
Wasn't aware of that. That anon's post was nonsensical then, or even stupid if he actually watches Super.
>it's a goku and vegeta powerups their enemy till they get outclass arc
Future trunks got one hell of surprise from that
You have literally goku with red and blue hair and a Goku that is black, and a golden frieza.
There is nothing this series has to offer or salvage creatively, even simple ideas like that anon are better than this.
Decided to clear out my backlog of some of the DB games I haven't played, this game had really good models for PS2 standards. Budokai 2 and 3 have better shading but the models definitely got downgraded as far as polycount and animation smoothness goes.
Gotta play this, Budokai 3 (only played 2 and Infinite World aka 3.5), Burst Limit, Raging Blast games, and Shin Budokai games.
Tournament arc was overall better but still had plenty of QUALITY moments.
This new arc is a major improvement however.
Go back to sleeping under a rock and kill yourself.
>tfw you can see armor pieces flying
Yes and yes almost all the songs in the game are also plagiarized.
He does have goid taste, because all the songs are goat.
This track especially is DB Kai as fuck. And not everything is plagiarized I believe, Yamamoto did compose good chunk of the music himself, it's just he also stole a lot in addition to that.
so next episode is flashback while then next episode is Future trunks and Gohan interacting right?
It is real shame that he isn't allowed to do any soundtrackscanymore, because the ost really made the game for me as a kid.
The game is also why I am a dbzfag in the firstplace.
As if, it looked more like Trunks will tell everyone about Mai since Vegeta remarks in shock on Loli Mai being his waifu in the Future.
Future Mai seems to run into Black if the preview is anything to go by.
He literally 1:1 stole famous songs.
Since Goku and Vegeta both are faggots for their own reasons:
They should just do the SSG ritual with Future Trunks instead of Pan, train him in Time Chamber to achieve SSB and then send him into the future to annihilate Black before he becomes too strong.
The "spare the opponent until he gets too powerful" is so overdone and painful to watch.
What if Black absorbs power? Or like Hit, where he can easily improves? I get the annoyance of Goku holding back, but sometimes for me it's just an act of being careful. Though i doubt that's the reason of Goku for "playing around" with his opponent, at least it makes me less annoyed when he do so.
>That fucking infinity-like symbol on Goku Black's ring.
Ok I am convinced they are actively dicking around now. It's either blatantly obvious we're gonna see the Time Breakers or they put that there just to troll.
>mfw his hair turns purple in God mode.
Seeing as that's a ring of time, we're probably going to see the Supreme Kai of Kawaii soon.
And my body is more than ready.
Gohan kinda looks like Charlie Brown there.
Also, that's a bit harsh on Piccolo, I mean that's literally Piccolo the same day he met Gohan, and the same day when he was not only completely outskilled by Raditz, but also came to know he was the weakest of the Saiyan trio. He's doing what he has to do, and his logic is sound, Gohan can't become a scholar if they destroy earth. In fact, it was his bonding with Gohan AFTER this that mellowed him out a little, but at this point he's only the son of his hated rival, who also has more potential than his own.
his hair looks like purple when bathed in flames
I'm hoping the comment Whis makes about strength (basically power levels) not being everything means something later on.
I'm waiting for Black or that Zamasu guy to fuck up the timeline on purpose and its up to brains and not brawn to actually win. Bulma already has played a huge role, in addition to Mai being hinted to play one too. And neither of them knows how to fight.
The fact that Mai and Bulma can play such pivotal roles without doing any fighting is the best direction this series can take. It honestly should go back to its roots from DB and incorporate machine technology and magic into it again. Using the time machine and time ring (technology vs magical devices) is a nice contrast to just pure brawn overpowering anything.
I think making this comment is a bit hasty since it seems like they want to break the "power levels" problem where the series gets too boring by having characters that are way too above Vegeta or Goku and bringing divine and magical beings back with more prominence. That was particularly something the Buu saga did well, since magic made Buu a lot more fearsome.
>Hey, i just arrived in the time machine, let's LEAVE IT OUT IN THE FUKCING OPEN WHERE EVEN PILAF COULD STEAL IT.
They literally had gods and strongest people in the universe right next to it, and nobody expected black to come through time and space, it's not stupid at all.
Why do you think people put their shit away?
To prevent things like these.
>Oh shi, i forgot to put the bread away, now i have a block.
>Oh shi, i stepped on the fucking LEGO bricks
>Oh shi, i accidentally the time machine.
That's how things are.
Vegeta's development during the Buu saga is probably one of the saga's few redeeming aspects.
I might argue Gohan got the most development throughout the whole series. I know it doesn't seem like it considering how the Buu saga dropped its promise of focusing just on him/and all this Super shit, but yeah, we literally got to watch him grow up, only other character who had that advantage was Goku and Kuririn.
You're literally posting the counterargument to your argument. In this scene, Goku completely misreads his son and Gohan nearly dies because of it.
I hate the "le goku bad dad meme" too, but this is specifically an example of Goku fucking up as a father, and it's some of the best character development he gets in the series.
If you want to get technical, the androids and Cell were vastly inferior to Frieza, Frieza was just a lazy shit who never trained and unlocked his true potential.
Then again, with the heights Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza would later reach, means Cell should be able to do the same, if not greater... so, fuck it.
Black was doing the goku habit of not going full power
he wants to have fun and get stronger
>You're literally posting the counterargument to your argument
>Goku completely misreads his son
Wrong dumbass it shows that Goku knows Gohan wants to be a scholar and doesn't except him to be a carbon copy of himself like most "Gohan"fags want.
>Black fights some more maybe even with some god and becomes super powerful
>Goku has to struggle until he beats him surpassing his limits
I think this is quite interesting though. what if you were turned into a child again? how would your psyche handle it?
at the beginning you'd act like your adult self - sure, but I guess over time you more and more accommodate to your body's age and to how people treat you and how the situations in your life need you to be.
I think you'll more and more forget how old you are and it will be like a distant memory.
but then again, toriyama probably just forgot or ignores to make the writing more easy.
Remainder we are going to get pic related thanks to Goku for letting Black to get stronger.
This fucks just teasing the time breakers insignia.
Imagine F Trunks having to give her the talk
41 according to Mai herself in BoG
Think for a second. In the manga and anime FGohan is showed training, he is fucking ripped, FTrunks just needed one year to go Buff Saiyan abd he did it alone because Vegeta was a tsundere at the time.
his pretty tame for being a villain
Nigga is having fun
nothing wrong with that
You didn't even read my post.
He didn't train WITH Goku. But he had a power to aspire to because Goku was present.
Future Gohan didn't have a stronger power to aspire to until the androids showed up, and by then he had to fight for his life almost every day. Doesn't leave much time for training.
Even as an adult, Pilaf probably thought girls were gross.
Mai is a ridiculously naive turbo virgin.
The only member of their group who has any chance at getting laid is the dog.
As true as this is, what would happen if Cell trained for 4 days, considering Frieza bullshit training boost ability and Saiyan bullshit power levels? What if he almost died every day he trained as well?
Nothing. You cannot improve on what is already PERFECT.
>But he had a power to aspire to because Goku was present.
What the fuck are you talking about? Since when this fucking magic was introduced. FGohan trained since the androids appeared, that's why he got SSJ and getting your ass kicked for 13 years would give him a great amount of Zenkais.
he has been training with piccolo who fought at the tournament at which gohan didn't show up because of some meeting. no word about his training ever since. and instead of looking after his daughter, gohan hat dinner with some professor dude
He probably doesn't know himself. Gods are prohibited from using time travel to the past. Traveling to the future doesn't really have adverse effects since it's a scenario which isn't set in stone and that's probably why kaioshin are allowed to use it.
>What the fuck are you talking about? Since when this fucking magic was introduced.
It's not a difficult concept to comprehend. Without someone to challenge your limits, you wont get stronger. Vegeta's limit has always been challenged by Goku.
Stop being retarded.
And Future Gohan achieved SSJ because of emotional trauma, not training.
If the xenoverse plot becomes canon that means that every movie villain will become canon too.
You are adorably deluded.
even back in DB. They were way too pure for that
The dog is no exception
>It's not a difficult concept to comprehend. Without someone to challenge your limits
Except this has never happened in the series and it is your headcanon. Trunks in the Cell saga trained alone and he was far stronger than Vegeta. Vegeta during the seven years after the Cell saga trained fucking alone and he got SSJ2. Goku got SSJ3 and he trained alone.
Stop using your headcanons.
>And Future Gohan achieved SSJ because of emotional trauma, not training.
Post the page, then. Gohan needed to train for one year to get SSJ.
When Black says strongest of the greatest warrior race, does that mean
>Goku is the strongest of all timelines
>Goku is the strongest only in the future timeline
There has to be a reason why he jacked Goku's body instead of someone like Future Hit
Beerus? oh you mean my house cat
>broly, like frieza, was born with a genetic mutation that gave him incredible strength
>broly, like freiza, never trained
>frieza with training got close to Super Saiyan Blue levels
If Broly both trained and obtained God Ki, he'd be pretty bullshit OP right?
He would be pretty OP if he trained. I think Cell would be pretty OP as well. He has the DNA of both Frieza and the Saiyans inside him doesn't her? He would be able to go Super Perfect Golden Super God.
It's just Goku being Goku. Vegeta straight up told Trunks that Goku has a bad habit of not taking his fights seriously from the start. It's probably going to bite him in the ass with this arc just like it did with RoF.
Ok then. I'll spoonfeed.
Goku tested power levels with Trunks. So he realised that Black was on SSJ2 level. So he went SSJ2 (and maybe used less Ki too, because OP base form) to mimic Black power level. Or he would totally rekt Black and bye bye Super plot.
So, as someone who watched both Battle of Gods and Resurrection F a while ago, and now wants to watch the series, at what point can I start watching without missing any major information? Don't feel like watching all those episodes when they really just show the same stuff again that I already saw.
>read the manga
I don't feel like reading right now, I just want to watch something simple while semi-slumbering in bed.
Fun fact: Before Toriyama joined the BoG staff, it was planned that Beerus's ki was like a virus (his name a pun to virus rather than beer) than infect with hate and violence so he cursed the saiyans and made them into mass murderers. Basically the Uchiha's curse of hatred
So the current most likely guess is that Black is some Kai who bodyswapped with Goku and gets stronger every time he gets his ass kicked, only even more than normal saiyans?
Wew lad, that seems like a lot. Also, if the Kai did swap bodies with Goku, how the fuck did that even happen since Future Goku died of a heart attack ages ago.
Remember lad, Goku dies all the time and keeps his body in the Otherworld.
You know the place Kaioshin's live?
My guess is some Kaioshin went rogue, stole the Ring of Time, done some voodoo shit with Otherworld Goku and became Blacku.
Reminder at a time Buu was stronger than Beerus.
Glad to hear you say that. The exact same can be said about soldiers. I've always asserted that people who go into the army who also have a family are the most selfish bastards in existence.
Goku and Vegeta fucking hate it when others interfere with their fights. They only fight 1v1s and since they the strongest niggas around no one is going to fuck with their rules.
This has been established since Cell Games.
Goku is a retard, you can't have high expectation for a retard. He is a bad father because his mind can't understand what a father is expected to do. Everything he does he does it because that's what Chi Chi tells him to do, but at the end of the day he would prefer to be training.
unrelated, but why do all namekians look alike when none of king piccolo's sons save for junior resembled him?
This is true.
It's also easier to set up a 1-on-1 fight.
>have magic balls to summon a dinosaur
>never use them
Well if it wasn't for Whis ex machina, Goku fucking around caused the destruction of the entire planet. Including the death of his wife and baby granddaughter.