Fullmetal Alchemist

>>143506612
>Brotherhood will always be worse
That's factual wrong.

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>>143506612
>bait

Finally a FMA thread. I'm watching this show right now and have no one to talk to.

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>>143506612

>>143507187
So what's the difference between FMA and Brotherhood? I just heard the latter is more "shonen" (whatever that means).

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Your title is bait OP but I do share that sentiment.
Things I love about 03:
-Hohenheim is a bastard who acts out of his own self-interests
-Hughes sticking around a significant amount of time to give his death more impact
-Many of the seemingly insignificant filler characters actually become plot relevant later on.
-Roy killing Winry's parents and it never getting closure. That moment where they meet in the forest by Ed's hometown where she basically goes"Oh hey, what's up, Roy, kill anyone else's parents lately?"
-Ed having to realize the law of equivalent exchange doesn't extend to human efforts despite believing in it faithfully which is ironic since he looks down on faith and religion
-The characters having to fight the family they resurrected makes for juicy drama
-Dante's reveal as the villain and her backstory, in the end she's defeated by her own hubris as opposed to a final-boss style fight like with father
-No EOE rip off plot

>>143507615
FMA 03 has a more serious tone, Brotherhood is more wacky and cartoony.

>>143506612
2/10

Made me reply.

>>143507615
One had to make shit up which fags will tell you was better because it was more somber and the other follows the manga more closely.

>>143506711
Sales numbers disagree.

>>143508558
Source material ≠ better.

It ain't bait if it's correct.
>>143508558
>doing a shitty job copy pasting a manga makes you a good anime

>>143507615
Brotherhood follows the source material.

>>143507615
2003 is good and Brotherhood is a shitty manga copy-paste
Watch 2003 and read the manga, then watch the cool scenes from the manga with Brotherhood.
>>143507187
How do you feel?

>>143507615
2k3 version got everything right until they ran out of source material and started doing fan-fiction. Some like it, some hate it.

Brotherhood follows source material to a T, which brings the question why the fuck does it need to be an anime. Constant mood swings within the episode personally throw me off, I would like my serious moments to remain serious for at least 5 minutes and my funny moments not to be inappropriate.

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Idk why but she makes me wanna suck on those titties.

>>143509255
Right, they cut to chibi faces like 2 seconds after a guy gets his throat slit, I hate how jarring the humor is.

Fuck you guys, I was proud of being the special snowflake liking 03 more. Up until half a year ago, Brotherhood was being defended so hard. What happened?

>>143510272
People got better taste.

I barely remember 03 at this point, wasn't there something about their mom being made out of water or some shit? I remember it got pretty silly by the end. And then there was a parallel universe movie too

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Of all things they fucked up, the worst thing about Brotherhood that I cannot forgive is how they condensed the best manga volume of the series into a single episode.

I can get behind this thread

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I think we can all agree that all the dubs are god-tier

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I like both but Brotherhood has best girl.

Just watch both.

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Are you ready for the live action version?

>>143510272
Brotherhood aired in 2009-2010 so the 14 year olds who liked it because it was "more epic" finally grew up and finally realized just because characters get together and everything is happy at the end, it doesn't make it better, I guess.

Or maybe years of arguing the merits of 2003 finally whittled them down to see the light.

>>143511330
Homunculi always had powers, not sure what's more silly about Sloth turning into water than Envy turning into a giant green CGI dog thing with faces all over that's actually a little green thing.

>>143511330
Sloth looked like their mom and could transform into water.

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>>143512508
>"We've heard all your concerns and complaints regarding the Ghost in the Shell movie and white-washed casts therefore we are proud to announce a Japanese-only cast for the Fullmetal Alchemist movie to stay true to the cultural roots of anime!"

These guys in the business suits can't die off fast enough.

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>>143512508
Envy is a guy?

Im watching FMA:B right now. I'm at episode 18. It's so bad i want to kill myself. Does it get better?

>>143513955
What's so bad?

>>143514010
The pacing of the first few episodes are abysmal in Brotherhood. They have no sense of timing, shit just gets blown through in downright awful fashion where you have comedic gags during serious moments that totally kills any atmosphere to the show. It's a really not hard to see why someone would think it was awful 18 episodes in.

>>143514010
the writing is my number 1 issue.

Especially the episode where the little girl and her dog get fused showed me just how bad the series is.

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>>143512157

>I think we can all agree that all the dubs are god-tier

Really?

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>>143513955
If you don't like it 18 episodes in, then no it won't get better. The reason why people like this series so much isn't the story, it's the characters and the journey they go through.

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>>143514213
Yes.

>>143514349
Winry best girl.

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>>143514467
She is absolutely best girl. I liked how romance was handled in this series. No "misunderstanding" and no stupid love rivals/triangles. Just one couple that gets a nice happy end that they worked hard for.

>>143514597
I could swear her boobs were growing as the series went on.

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>>143514467
>not riza

>>143514724
Good taste breh

>>143513250
I think the part that bugs me the most is that they showed the Ed actor wearing a blonde cosplay wig on set which adds an extra layer of artificiality to the whole thing. If you're gonna have a Japanese cast then have them just look Japanese, otherwise it looks like one of those cheesy stage plays.

>>143515042
I think they're just being faithful to the material they're based on. The same has happened to Rurouni Kenshin's live action where a japanese character had red hair.

Hey guys, can you motivate me to finish both versions? I've had '03 on hold for 8 months. Brotherhood for maybe two years.

>>143514597
It actually did, it was like a whole year or two, so it wouldn't be weird her chest grew up

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>brotherhood is bad

Why is /a/ always so contrarian?

>>143512813
>just because characters get together and everything is happy at the end, it doesn't make it better, I guess.

I would take that over the dumb shit ending of the original which had Ed and Al stuck in Nazi Germany. Fucking hell that was retarded.

>>143515234
Just watch something new and recent instead.
Or wait for Summer season to start so that you can watch and talk about the newest show on /a/.

>>143515383
>watching anime for the plot

i shiggy diggy

>>143515234
They're the best that those "battle shounen" series have to offer, which is to say they're first place in the Special Olypmics. If you don't want to watch them then don't, you're not exactly missing a hell of a lot.

>>143515381
Nobody said that, only that the first series was superior for which has been given a multitude of reasons as to why in this thread, none of which being "Because the general consensus says it's the best."

>>143515578
>the first series was superior

That's wrong though

>>143515381
Because it makes us feel relevant.

>>143515510
>They're the best that those "battle shounen" series have to offer, which is to say they're first place in the Special Olypmics
its really not you just have a clear bias, its more like the fps of anime

>>143515625
name a better battle shounen

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>>143515578
>first series was superior for which has been given a multitude of reasons as to why in this thread

What reasons? The only ones I'm hearing is because it was more "serious". The second that the 03 version ran out of source material, it became a massive clusterfuck. And the final ending to it all where Ed ends up in our world was stupid as fuck. Brotherhood wasn't perfect by any means, but at least it was satisfying. Especially the ending.

>>143515383
Parallel worlds was foreshadowed from the beginning of the series, there was multiple references to things like Christianity. There's really nothing wrong with it outside of just taking taking it out of context and trying to make it sound stupid. The same can be done with Brotherhood.

>Guy pulls god out of the moon and eats him to make himself a god but is thwarted by a 10 minute monologue before Ed turns into a philosopher's stone to dispose of his henchman and then punches the bad guy with the power of god to death while everyone stands around and claps.

>>143515625
You can probably count the number of good "battle shounen" series on your hands despite it probably being the single most popular sort of series to produce.

>>143515716
> the point
> your head

>>143509255
>Brotherhood follows source material to a T, which brings the question why the fuck does it need to be an anime

You should die

>>143515957
thats not true or relevant to my point

>>143506612

2003 : Edgy, pretentious shit.

Brotherhood : Closer to the manga.

Manga : Superior to both shows.

>>143516226
any good adaption is better than the manga, it simply has more dimensions to work with

With regards to 03 FMA, if a homunculi is created after every failed human transmutation how come there are only 7 of them? Surely more than 7 people tried it.

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The only things I remember from the 03 series are the shitty ending to the movie and this pic related getting raped and impregnated by some soldier and become some sort of martyr.

>>143515799
This guy >>143508278 listed quite a few reasons why he thought 03 was better and there's plenty of criticism toward Brotherhood in this thread.

>The second that the 03 version ran out of source material, it became a massive clusterfuck
Not really, it worked within the parameters set for it which lead to them using characters again so that they weren't all just pointless one offs, it made its antagonists more interesting as they were named after the deadly sins because they were the embodiment of an alchemists sin of trying to perform human transmutation and this lead to more interesting character interactions as well, notably with Scar and Lust being the prime example.

Scar was also much more interesting as he grew and evolved as a character while not changing his core character, he didn't just get a friendship talk and suddenly become one of the good guys, he was still running in opposition to the main cast but as his and Edward's scope of understanding broadened and Al and Scar's dynamic developed a bit, their interactions changed while still staying true to who they were.

The ending was pretty similar as far as the brothers went, Ed used his experience to trade his body for Al's except in Brotherhood they did it pretty stupidly and had him trade his experience literally as opposed to just utilizing what he learned. Ed and Al being separated at the end kept it more in line with the theme of equivalent exchange unlike Brotherhood where everyone just got better because Philosopher's Stone.

>>143516155
You're saying I have a bias toward "battle shounen" because I referred to the best being first in the Special Olympics, are you not? Despite the fact that I enjoy things like YYH, HxH, JoJo, FMA, and Gash Bell just fine, you're saying I have an inherent bias because I realize most of them are shit?

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>>143506612


Back when FMA was airing I used to wonder why people like it so much because for me was kind of fun but not something amazing.

A few years ago someone told me about brotherhood so I decide to give it a try but I went directly to the episode were it splits from 2003 and I thought it was a great show and made me a fan of the franchise.

Also Envy Revealed is my favorite character theme

https://youtube.com/watch?v=R7ezKLiN7jw

>>143506612
>unironically preferring shitty fanfic with ending that goes nowhere to original work with proper closure.

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>>143509279
Only in 2003.

>>143516452
you dont remember the superior score?

>>143517107
Left is a man.

>>143516327
They confirm there's been more than just 7 Homunculi in the show, Envy says something along the lines of "There's a new Lust, and Wrath so we have all 7 of us here again" or something to that effect when has talking to Greed. Dante basically just made a bunch herself, lost some for various reasons, and took in some more along the way and named them as she saw fit. It's not as if there's only ever been 7 through all of history, they only become the humonculi we see if they're fed red stones though, which obviously isn't common knowlegde.

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>>143517191
You need to go get your eyes checked asap.

>>143517157
I liked Brotherhood's score a little more than 03's to be honest. That track where King Bradley casually walks up to his occupied fortress before he proceeds to curbstomp a tank and a shit ton of characters was amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tnVulkRFGE

>>143517337
It's great. This is one of my completely underused favorites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_scbziJUEog

>>143517317
How is it determined which "sin" is created each time though? Like was there a reason Ed and Al's mom became Sloth or is it just random?

>>143512157
No

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>>143517483
I remember this from when Mustang was mercilessly fucking up Envy. The music was perfect for that scene.

>>143517492
Because she didn't want to deal with her problems, she was plagued by Trisha's residual memories but just didn't want to acknowledge them and chose to just act aloof about it and trying to ignoring them instead of actually addressing them. She wanted to kill Ed and Al because it would be much easier than having to actually confront the fact that she was basically a recreation of their mother with residual feelings toward the two who created and abandoned her which she felt resentment for. Also, water flows with the path of least resistance.

Honestly, most of them could fit perfectly fine as multiple sins, they do best embody the sin they're named after, but I'm sure that you could explain it as an element of them sort of filling the role they feel they're meant to play a bit.

If brotherhood didn't rush all the material that was covered by the 03 adaption then brotherhood would have been god tier.

>>143517736
Not really, Brotherhood is brought down by quite a bit of retardation from the manga. Like Alchemy Zombies, and the fact that the most that people do with alchemy is either explosions or platforms with the sole exception of Ed who does a blade arm.

It's not even really consistent as referring to those two examples specifically, the alchemy zombies could have been easily avoided with platforms or just as easily pinned to the walls or floors as they're established as just being mindless. Instead, they just decide to have a slug fest instead which makes Ed, supposedly an alchemy prodigy, look like a fucking moron as alchemy only seems to ever come into play as a dues ex machina, like when he turns his soul into a philosopher's stone to heal his wounds and dispose of Pride, and make people like Roy look overpowered as fuck because he actually uses alchemy which disposes of them in seconds.

Honeslty, I'm not sure why people shit on 03 for having parrelel worlds and Nazi's, who were only in Shambala not the series, when Alchemy Zombies and Eating God is just as bad, if not worse.

>>143518079
So what were your thoughts on The Sacred star of Milos film? It kind of seemed like an unnecessary side story but it was still fun.

>>143518079
Seems like you didn't really pay attention to anything in the manga once you reached Fort Briggs or so.

>>143518292
Didn't watch it, it looked fucking awful.

>>143517735
>trying this hard to rationalize a plothole that has no actual answer

>>143518424
Don't recall there being alchemy zombies in Briggs. Also not sure what lead you to that conclusion as everything I referenced happened after Briggs.

03>brotherhood

>>143514130
FMA:B expects you to be faimiliar with at least the first half of FMA 2003. It skips out a lot of stuff that was animated in the first series. The comedy is meh, it gets better soon, keep at it. After that it becomes good.

>>143518079
So what I'm getting here is you don't like Brotherhood (or the manga) because the alchemy isn't cool enough (even though 03's alchemy is literally no different), and apparently don't understand the story or why characters act the way they do.

>>143518565
>(even though 03's alchemy is literally no different),
but what about "Muh seismic energy"?

"Muh dragon blood rivers" or whatever

total horseshit

>>143518506
I didn't say you hadn't read it, I said you didn't pay attention to it, hence your bizarre fixation on irrelevant details and acting confused about character traits which are well established at that point in the story. The hallmarks of somebody that just skimmed over dialogue.

>>143518624
It doesn't ultimately matter, the ultimate cause of alchemy is always going to be some magic BS why does it matter if it's seismic energy or souls from another dimension? Ultimately it's still the writer's conceit to make the magic work. It just comes down to which flavor of bullshit you like more.

>>143518536
>It skips out a lot of stuff that was animated in the first series.
Most of what it skips was filler in the first place. The manga material actually skipped is minimal.

>>143518624
Not really what I was talking about. I meant how people in the 03 anime didn't really use alchemy any differently from the manga, which makes sense considering by the time they diverged from the manga they had already established the limitations and uses of alchemy and couldn't really break those. So complaining about the manga's alchemists being boring doesn't really add up.

>>143515799
Brotherhood took a core idea of "equivalent exchange" and used it as a superpower for a solid action series. 2003 actually explored the implications of the concept, on the world, on the characters and as an ideal in itself.

And yes, the characters being more verisimile is a plus. You can call it grimdark, but a barely adult man doesn't come out of a senseless war in which he was order to murder innocent civilians not-fucked-up.

The movie ending was shit, though, the series had ended on the perfect aspirational note.

>>143518689
I'd say there's a pretty significant difference in that one just casually mentions that their superpowers are somehow powered by seismic energy in one sentence and then never mentions it again, and one fully investigates the human life = power thing put forth by the philosopher stone idea.

>>143518789
If that's the kind of thing that makes or breaks a series to you then fiction is wasted on you.

>>143518725
It's more like it speeds through it which lessens the impact of certain events (tucker, Hughes, etc) because you don't have as much time to bond with the characters. But at the same time I can see why they wouldn't want to spend 26 episodes covering material that most of the audience had already seen.

>>143518777
>2003 actually explored the implications of the concept
No, they just made up their own implications and ran with it. But you can't really expect them to explore a concept that Arakawa hadn't properly introduced at the point in the manga where they branched off. It was something she'd held onto til the end of the story before fully expanding on it.

>>143518817
You can't just handwave bullshit like tapping into seismic energy without ever even giving a single sentence of explanation or backstory for it. It reads like a bunch of fucking kids on a playground playing pretend superheroes.

>>143518914
They were doing the early part of the manga in service to the greater narrative, but I think they overlooked how a lasting emotional impact at early points in the story can color overall perception of the narrative. They put in enough to establish the importance of these events so it made sense for characters to be so strongly affected by them even late into the story, but because they were rushed we don't really travel that arc with the characters.

>>143509212
Your post is confusing. Apparently you like the manga but decry Brotherhood for being an accurate adaptation. Any other manga getting an adaptation like that would likely earn your praise, but since you feel the need to pick one FMA over the other in a kind of us vs them battle, in this case, the one you watched first, you force your brain to pull some doublethink bullshit.

>>143518931
>You can't just handwave bullshit like tapping into seismic energy without ever even giving a single sentence of explanation or backstory for it
And why would that improve it at all? To appease your autism? I can't figure out why you care about such a minor detail that isn't at all relevant to anything in the story.

>>143512157
They're solid and you can watch them without missing out on anything important from the Japanese audio.

I also prefer young men to sound like young men rather than women with scratchy voices, so dub Ed's got a leg up there.

>>143519066
>a minor detail
Yeah the thing that makes their entire universe work is a minor detail, christ almighty.

You're right, exploring the world of the story you wrote is a waste of time, what is really interesting is more pointless action and running in circles for no reason. Don't forget the classic "We're gonna kill GOD lmao!" plot of jap media.

>>143518918
No, you're not understanding what I'm saying, I'm not talking about alchemy as a power, but equivalent exchange as a concept, Ed starts the series taking it as not only the foundation of alchemy, but as a core principle of life, and throughout the series he, and we, as it affects the series's story and world, comes to realize it's not true of either.

It's not classic literature, but it's effective use of a high concept in a story.

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See, the thing about Ed is that his attire looks ok-ish, even in universe (probably a nod to his bad taste in design).

Seeing this is just, meh.

>>143519122
But Ed's dub actor was like 45.
They got an actual little boy to play Al in the 03 version though, that was pretty cool.

>>143519376
vic migfaggot's voice will never not destroy my eardrums

>>143514724
see >>143512425 for actual best girl

>>143519376
I meant to just put "men" no "young". I'd take middle age adult man over a woman to voice a teenaged male any day.

>>143519194
There's also little things, the Ending Scene --> Ending Theme transitions from the first half of the series were GOAT.

I don't think brotherhood is shit, it's a very solid action adventure series, and following the manga makes it more tightly and coherently plotted than the mishmash that is 2003. However, for the reasons stated, I prefer the latter.

>>143506612
>Reminder that Brotherhood will always be worse.
Back to L e d d i t, ya daumb cunt.

>>143519881
Liking brotherhood better is THE Reddit opinion.

>>143520065
No it isn't, the majority of /a/ prefers Brotherhood, since it's true to the original (or truer at least).

Only fedora wearing trash like you, Ledditor, prefer the 2003 wannabe-deep version.

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>>143518466
I'm not sure you even know what a plothole is. Also, the greenest function is intended for quoting, please refrain from abusing it.

>>143518565
>because the alchemy isn't cool enough
Yes, that's exactly what I said. Gold star for your reading ability.

>(even though 03's alchemy is literally no different)
Except when Ed freezes Sloth and changes her chemical composition, changes the chemical composition of his arm to stop Scar from deconstructing it, when Nimbly changes Al's chemical composition, etc. You know, all those times they used alchemy for more than just explosions and platforms. Also, the explanation for his alchemy works is much better in 03 than in Brotherhood. Not sure how human souls act as a more powerful alternative to tectonic shifts, but alright. At least 03 was consistent.

>apparently don't understand the story or why characters act the way they do.
I understand it perfectly well, but you're free to actually address what points you feel demonstrate a misunderstanding on my part instead of just making asserting that I don't understand and not being able to actual refute what I said with anything of any actual value.

i only watched brotherhood but the direction was absolutely terrible, horrible comedic beats immediately mixed with maudlin, spielberg-esque "powerful" scenes. with like the swelling orchestral music for extra emotional exploitation

if i could have ignored that and ed's unbearable voice actor, it probably would have been pretty enjoyable though

>>143520166
Saying something is good because it follows the original is the "fedora wearing trash" opinion, anon. You're not actually saying anything of the shows quality based on its own merits, you just assert it's better because it's closer to the original and dismiss the one that isn't because it isn't like a direct adaptation.

Besides, MAL has FMA Brotherhood at #1 and the universal opinion among casuals is your exact same flawed reasoning of "It's better because it's closer to the manga", maybe you should stop trying so hard when you're parroting the same shit as everyone you're trying to separate your self from.

>>143521153
>, anon.
Yep, Reddit turd confirmed. KYS.

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>>143521199
>KYS
How about you take your Reddit boogieman back to /v/, you /v/ermin.

>>143521199
Go be cancer somewhere else

>>143521292
>>143521333
>boogieman
>samefags obviously
Die reddit die.

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>>143521372
What a surprise the crossboarder who can't manage to greentext properly and thinks Reddit is relevant to anyone outside of /v/ can't spot a samefag.

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How much moneys do Alchemists make?

Fuck you /a/, I've always hated how 03 fucked with some of the characters, specially Roy.
Yeah I can admit the first half had better pacing but that all you're getting from me. Also, that nazi movie was one of the stupidest fanfiction-tier shit I've ever seen and you people still defend it.

>>143521478
I didn't even need to open the thumbnail to know that it's a picture of two (You)s, one covered up with the background color to make it look like it wasn't there in the frist place.

Literally nobody ever posts this as """evidence""" except when they're actually samefagging.

>>143521717
Yes, because you can accomplish that in that short amount of time from taking a screenshot from the mobile browser version.

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>143521546
We don't know..

>>143509058
>>sales
>>money over quality

FMA original was only for money, Brotherhood was to tell the whole story without hack anime endings.

>>143521671
>Also, that nazi movie was one of the stupidest fanfiction-tier shit I've ever seen and you people still defend it.
I've never seen anyone defend that movie, what are you on about?

>>143521836
>using mobile browser in the first place
r e d d i t - t r a s h

>>143521873
You can't honestly believe they weren't trying to cash in with Brotherhood and only did it for the sake of the craft, right? You can't be that stupid.

>>143521924
Stop acting superior you dumb idiot. Using a mobile has just about zero disadvantages in this modern day. The only thing you can do on a PC that you can't on a mobile is name your images and even that's being fixed as we speak. I'd rather be able to post comfortably on my bed and on the go with my mobile than on a expensive PC where I'd almost certainly be using my time watching anime or playing games.

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>>143521924
You're trying way too hard, kid.

>>143522101
On 4chan anyways.

Not following the manga that much is what makes 2003 better for me ,because manga final arc is fucking terrible,after being a top notch manga it suddenly throws as many shonen cliches as humanly possible and then finishes with a le final boss fight and some magic of friendship

>>143521924
die

>>143522101
The only reason you should be using a PC on 4chan and not watching anime or playing games would be if you're actually creating images and content that's contributing to the thread and if you're not you shouldn't be bitching about people who play on their mobile. It's pretty ridiculous.

>>143509058
Call of duty is the best video game
50 shade of grey is the best book

It's because they sold more :^) right?

I like brotherhood better than 03, but I know that 03 is the best one out of the two.

People that say that Brotherhood is better than 03 because it follows the original material should know that that's not a real argument.

Just because X is similar to Y does not mean that Z is worse. Hell, one of my favorite manga is the NGE adaptation, and that one takes a lot of liberties that imo makes it a better rendition of the story.

>>143521671
Yes, Roy in Brotherhood was a much better character, he was the same guy as in 2003 but he also steamrolled everyone he fought and was edgier cause he wanted revenge.

>>143521905
I will say that the first 20 minutes were good (moslty the Al stuff)

>>143521546
It's clearly stated in the anime that they make around 1200 on the low end to around 6000 a month depending on the rank of the Alchemy user.

>>143522340
Nice false flagging faggot

>>143522412
He really wasn't though, in fact many characters weren't the same in the 2003 and manga/Brotherhood.

Roy was more driven in Brotherhood to make a change, and wasn't one to wallow in self defeat like he did in 2003 because he knew that it was pointless.

Ed, in 2003 was prone to random childish tantrums where he'd get mad over the stupidest of things, but unlike Brotherhood, those tantrums weren't played for laughs. He was also prone to moping.

Al similar to his brother was also prone to moping, never grew up and at best was just a accessory to Ed.

etc.

>>143506612
>half fanfiction trash

2003 will always be worse with over 50% of the episodes being rubbish. In before nostalgia cucks bawwwwwwww

2003 isn't really good, it's problem is that it's melodramatic, for not purpose at all instead to just manipulate it's audience. But when you stop to think about it, you realize that the characters and their actions don't really make any sense. It's a story that hooks people with cheap moments for shock value, but if you stop to think about those moments you realize how nothing ever really comes out of it, or how they don't really make much if any sense at all.

>>143524242
post some examples

I don't think you could have possibly made that post any more vague.

>>143519702

This is such a stupid thing to bitch about that I don't even know where to begin. Romi Paku is MOST famous for her roles as young men and she does a damn good job at it, so much so that the only reason you even know a female played Ed is because you either know enough about her to recognize her name in the credits or you saw it mentioned somewhere online. If Romi didn't play a believable boy, she wouldn't have been cast as one over and over again so what exactly is your problem here?

Does it make it harder for you to self insert knowing a female is voicing him or do you just have something against women being cast in mens roles? Because if its the latter then I have some bad news for you - it happens a lot more than you probably know.

>>143524341
>so much so that the only reason you even know a female played Ed is because you either know enough about her to recognize her name in the credits or you saw it mentioned somewhere online
Pfffhahaha

>>143519042
Not that guy, but I prefer 03 to Brotherhood despite liking the manga more than both. I don't think it's a "shitty manga copy-paste" like he said, it's a pretty solid show overall, but there's some pacing issues and I didn't like the way they adapted certain things.

>>143521153
>You're not actually saying anything of the shows quality based on its own merits

This is the thing that irritates me the most about Brotherhood fans. They literally cannot say a single positive thing about the adaption other than 'its follows the manga faithfully'. In fact, I've seen numerous threads on /a/ asking which is the better adaption and most if not all of the people in favor of Brotherhood will at least mention that 'it followed the manga so its automatically better' in their replies.

The fact of the matter is, I'm not speaking from a place of nostalgia when I say that the 03 anime was better because I was the person MOST excited for Brotherhood when it was announced. But it ended up being a total disappointment from the writing, the directing, the characterization, the art style - and once again, no, just because its the same as the manga doesn't make it automatically good. Not every art style translates well from manga to animation and this is one that did not. The blonde hair with the yellow outline being my biggest pet peeve for the art direction. The only good thing Brotherhood DID do was the OST.

>>143524520
That's an entirely understandable position. I Brotherhood has a tendency to ruin too many good moments with sub par attempts at humor.

>>143524328
There's nothing vauge about anything I said, 2003 is melodramatic bullshit, with cheap moments meant to shock the viewers here and there which people stupidly mistake for good writing.
examples:
>Rose and everything about her.
>Ed whose always prone to giving up, and hiding shit even when it makes no sense to do so.
>Roy killing Winry's parents.
>the whole story of the humunculus
>Scar who you don't really give a shit about.
etc.
>They put a bigger emphasis on Hughes but he didn't fucking matter.

2003 Al was bizarrely waifu material, mostly because of how he looked in Conqueror of Shambala.

>>143524752
>>They put a bigger emphasis on Hughes but he didn't fucking matter.

Excuse me, but what? Hughes was an integral part of the story in both the 03' anime AND Brotherhood/manga. His death was a driving force behind Roy's actions in ALL adaptions and it also affected Ed and, if memory serves, Scar as well. There is literally not a single incarnation of this series where Hughes did not matter, either to the characters or to the plot as a whole.

>>143524752
I don't see how the homunculus backstory doesn't matter, since it gives actual consequences to human transmutation and makes the "taboo" about it believable. As opposed to brotherhood which just tells you it's bad because I said so.

Be more specific about the Ed giving up part

I don't see how Roy killing them is significantly different than Scar doing it. They both go down the same path with each character on that point for the most part.

Scar was fine, I don't see your point.

The Rost thing is your only halfway legitimate point but I'd rather have some real examination of the genocide the story constantly brings up rather than a lame 30 second montage of blue eyed dudes mowing down brown people followed not long after by cheesy humor.

>>143518292
I loved the animation and visual style and thought it was worth watching for that alone, but I got enough enjoyment out of the story too between the multiple stupid character betrayals/reveals and the giant 3D model alchemy circle.

>>143524752
>Rose and everything about her.
Rape is an aspect of war, could have been anyone but it was Rose because she was already close to the main character and would best allow them to explore that aspect of conflict without having to introduce a new character. Just because you like to dismiss things for being edgy, doesn't mean that it's somehow melodramatic.
>Ed whose always prone to giving up, and hiding shit even when it makes no sense to do so.
Ed is supposed to be between 12-16 during the events of the series and is constantly being confronted with the consequences of his own actions and how his grand ambition puts innocent lives at risk, it seems pretty reasonable he might hesitate to reconsider what he's doing after seeing how his destabilation of an entire region caused the deaths of so many innocent people, or when he learns the truth of the philosopher's stone, etc.
>Roy killing Winry's parents.
Honestly made more sense than Scar. Scar killing Winry's parents is just contrived as hell, at least Rot is given a reason for his actions where the events make sense of why he'd be there and do it to begin with.
>the whole story of the humunculus
Better than Brotherhood's, what's your point?
>Scar who you don't really give a shit about.
Why would you give more of a shit about him in Brotherhood?
>They put a bigger emphasis on Hughes but he didn't fucking matter.
This is just retarded.

>>143525013
No, Hughes was only important to Brotherhood and a driving force for the story, in 2003 though, once he died, that was it. The driving force to Roy's actions was his desire to bring back Winry's parents (which went nowhere). Scar didn't give a shit about Hughes, and Ed essentially forgot about him too, so your memory is really off.

The story in 2003 became essentially just about Ed, even Al played second fiddle. Hughes didn't matter.

>>143525022
It doesn't matter, because exactly fuck all happens because of it. It's essentially just used to get a cheap reaction out of the viewer but it ultimately doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

I was being specific, if you can't figure it then it's on you.

Because in Brotherhood, there was at least an effect on BOTH Scar AND Winry. Winry was allowed to confront Scar about it, and Scar for Scar himself this was something that proved that he wasn't as righteous as he made himself out to be. In 2003 it was used to give Roy a reason to angst, and nothing else.

Scar was pointless, a character with no real depth and who you didn't really give a a shit about. He was just a killer, and not even a sympathetic one.

It wasn't even an examination on genocide, the whole ordeal with Rose was just so that you'd feel sorry for her. In Brotherhood, the ordeal in Ishval and the effect of genocide (the racisim it causes on both sides) was better shown without any melodramatic bullshit. I appreciate that Brotherhood actually showed the brutal reality without trying to play it up for sympathy points.

>>143523742
>Denying someone's opinion
>faggot

this confirms that brotherhood fans are complete idiots

>>143525370
>Rape is an aspect of war,
But Rose had no point in the story, in fact that whole section was pointless as well.

>Ed is supposed to be between 12-16
Doesn't make for a good or particularly likable protagonist to always give up when the going gets rough

>Honestly made more sense than Scar.
It didn't and nothing came out of it. Scar was a patient of Winry's parents, they treated anyone who was injured without care to whose side they were on, that how doctors are. Scar killed them because he was in a fit of anger, it ultimately showed that he himself also wasn't as honorable as he made himself out to be. Also unlike Roy, Scar is made to confront Winry and others about his actions was called out on it, and is made to make up for them, all Roy did was angst.

>Better than Brotherhood's, what's your point?
Not really

>Why would you give more of a shit about him in Brotherhood?
In Brotherhood he was an actual character with his own story.

>This is just retarded.
You don't like the truth.

>>143525588
Really because from this thread it seems to be the other way around.

>>143525442
>It doesn't matter, because exactly fuck all happens because of it
Ed and Al are both forced to confront the result of their actions when they fight the abomination they created. I'd say that's a fairly significant event. Not to mention the fact that like I said earlier, it adds to the world by showing the consequences of something that is supposed to be a crime against humanity, as opposed to have no consequences at all other than you might get hurt.

There was nothing specific about what you wrote. Give me an actual event in the story.

It had an effect on Roy and Winry too, so I don't get what you're trying to say. Brotherhood doesn't really present Scar as being particularly evil, if anything they try to write off him killing her parents as something fueled by rage instead of a deliberate act, like it was no big deal he killed them.

>Scar was pointless, a character with no real depth and who you didn't really give a a shit about. He was just a killer, and not even a sympathetic one.
Another meaningless sentence, clearly explain what the difference is.

>
It wasn't even an examination on genocide, the whole ordeal with Rose was just so that you'd feel sorry for her. In Brotherhood, the ordeal in Ishval and the effect of genocide (the racisim it causes on both sides) was better shown without any melodramatic bullshit. I appreciate that Brotherhood actually showed the brutal reality without trying to play it up for sympathy points.
There was nothing brutal about Brotherhood's portrayal, that's my entire point.


It's a lot better than digging up his mom's grave and then precisely nothing happening because of it.

>>143525683
>Doesn't make for a good or particularly likable protagonist to always give up when the going gets rough
Post an example.

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>>143508558
>>143518565
>>143521199

You should check your eyes, if you have any.

>>143525683
>Rose had no point in the story, in fact that whole section was pointless as well.
She was essentially the person who represented the first time Ed thought he had really helped somebody, she was essentially the personification of the whole of Liore. The once bright country had been tainted and violated, Rose acted as the character to best present this as she was a character Ed had already had quite a bit of interaction with and her importance was amplified by Dante who used her as a martyr to control the people of the country who were beaten down and looking for a glimmer of hope and to manipulate Ed who she was trying to get to help her as well as to cause anguish as he was the son of Hoenhiem.

>Doesn't make for a good or particularly likable protagonist to always give up when the going gets rough
Except he doesn't, and the fact that he does have moments of weakness and self reflection makes him more believable.

>Scar was a patient of Winry's parents
Which is contrived.

>Scar killed them because he was in a fit of anger
That was anger? Looked like he was suffering from a fit of schizophrenia to me.

>unlike Roy, Scar is made to confront Winry and others about his actions was called out on it, and is made to make up for them
Because Roy wasn't written like a fucking child's antagonist and already realized what he did was something terrible he could never undo and used it as part of his motivation to better the government along with all the other atrocities he was ordered to commit.

>all Roy did was angst.
Yes, because it's much better that Scar just selectively forgot he killed innocent people and have to be reminded and confronted about it in the most contrived and hamfisted way possible by the daughter of the ones he killed than to actually remember the terrible things you've done.

>Not really
Yes, the literal physical embodiment of sin, how interesting.

>You don't like the truth.
You must not either given how adverse you are to it in your post.

>>143512157
Agreed, the dubs are pretty much perfect

At least we can agree that brohoods OPs completely outclassed 03's?

>>143528680
>Implying Ready, Steady, Go isn't the greatest anime OP of all time.

>>143528680
Melissa is one of the most iconic OPs in Japan, Ready Steady Go is one of the most iconic everywhere else, and Rewrite is just fantastic with some of the best animation and choreography in the entire series and is by Asian Kung-Fu Generation, saying Brotherhood outclassed them in any way is pretty silly. They're certainly enjoyable, though.

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I don't know if Arakawa drew pic related as a "fuck you!" to FMA03's ending, but it sure feels like it.
In any case, it's interesting to see how different writers can take the same character and then develop him in completely opposite directions.

>>143525442
>and Ed essentially forgot about him too

Yeah, thats why when Envy transformed into Hughes during his final confrontation with Ed and admitted that he was the one who killed him, Ed lost his shit.

Its become painfully obvious throughout the course of this argument that you don't remember a whole lot about the 03' anime so you might want to give it a rewatch before starting another stupid argument where you're wrong about pretty much everything you say.

I applaud OP for actually understanding the art of filmography and being able to distinguish art from typical anime dogshit. Now it's time to conquer Shamballa.

>>143528680
Ready Steady Go and Rewrite kick the shit out of Brotherhood's OPs lol

>>143531416
Anime isn't "art." Let's not kid ourselves.

>>143510272
yeah, when i first watched 03 a year back everyone said brotherhood was better, and after trying brotherhood for 10+ episodes glad people understand that focus on characters and overall polish reign supreme over something that's somehow better because it "follows the manga" even though what it did worked in its own context and overall tone.

>>143531578
depends on the situation desu, but yeah I'd say like 98% of anime is trash. It's all about shifting through the trash to find the gold.

>>143524752
Thanks for destroying all the 03fags. Somehow, teenagers always conflate melancholy and maturity/good writing. You can forgive them, though. Nostalgia is a tough thing to shake off.

>>143524752
and Brotherhood is typical anime garbage with no focus or overall tone, with a rushed plot and inconsistent character motives, all with fanservice to top it all off for the moefags. Keep thinking 03 is trash buddy.

>>143531770
>moefags
03 fans, everyone.

03 > Manga >>> Brotherhood

I didn't realize how much better 03 writing was until I actually watched it

cry fanfic all you want, everything was much better, especially how they handled the homunculi

I like both, but the manga is better.

>>143531811
and acting like fanservice with Winrie wasn't low on the studio's part, huh? Alright

>>143506612
>it's better cuz muh bittersweet ending
you guys will never be taken seriously

>>143531965
and acting like the ending is the sole reason why we like 03 shows the retardation levels of Brotherhood fans

>>143521546
>>143521847
>>143522699

However much it is, it was enough to make Sheska nearly faint when he paid her for transcribing Marcoh's notes.

>>143532047
enough to buy Winry anything she wanted during her first visit to them

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>>143532020
let's be honest, the more somber tone of the show is the only reason why people delude themselves into preferring 03, in an effort to look mature. Most of the reasons given in this thread are pure fluff, such as laughable mentions of the supposedly better cinematography without any elaboration.

I realize that being made fun of for years takes a toll on your self-esteem. It's fine to just give in and accept 03 as mindless trash. At least Brotherhood is stylish mindless trash.

>>143532247
How about the last 15 episodes of Brotherhood? Remember that dogshit? 03 wins by default senpai

>>143531697
>Somehow, teenagers always conflate melancholy and maturity/good writing. You can forgive them, though. Nostalgia is a tough thing to shake off.
>teenagers
>Nostalgia
Which is it, exactly? Teenagers aren't going to be nostalgic for a 13 year old show. Do you even think before you type?

Also, it's funny to see a 18-21 year old trying to act so much above teenagers while talking about a cartoon intended for young boys.

Wanna know te real reason why 03 is better than Brotherhood?

Because /a/ is full of hipsters, and the general consensus is that Brotherhood is better, but they will undoubtable deny it and point to multiple super-secret obscure/other hipster sources to justify their opinions

>>143532513
How to Spot a Newfag: The Post

>>143532558
Well, I never denied that, did I?

But actually, no, I'm not a newfag. I just haven't been on /a/ for a couple of years

Although I see this place is just as nice as it always was

>>143532513
this, pretty much

digibro said it best, especially with his 3x3 rant. /a/ has trash taste.

>>143532247
If you think I grew up with this show you're sadly mistaken, I just ran through it last year. But since you think you know everything I'm just going to give you just one of the thousands of reasons why I think 03 is better.

Consider the teacher: in 03 shes only briefly mentioned early on a few times casually, literally no details at all whatsoever. Then when Winry's talking with them one episode they admit that the last thing they would ever want to do is face their teacher again after their committing human transmutation. Then when she shows up they nearly tremble in her presence. These characters feel and act like real people.

Now what happens in Brotherhood? They just knock on her door in episode 12, happy go-lucky like they're just visiting and she pretty much figures them out in a matter of minutes and she pretty much instantly forgives them. It doesn't feel real because I would expect them to feel some kind of remorse for not only performing human transmutation, but MORE IMPORTANTLY he became a state alchemist which she heavily despised.

I could literally go on and on about such small details like that but I guess you can get my point.

>>143532311
What about the last episodes?
Yeah maybe the finale itself is underwhelming, but the buildup to the coup and the non-alchemy battle in Central is executed quite well

>>143532637
It drags on like a slog and nobody actually dies nor anything has any significance until the very end. Typical what people would call shounenshit.

>>143532665
Just because nobody dies doesn't make it bad, or shounenshit. Yeah, maybe it's childish and too uplifting, but why shouldn't it be? Of all the characters it would only really make sense to kill Scar. Oh, and Hohenheim dies, I think

2003 could've been alright if they hadn't fucked up the pacing. There was a very noticeable lull right in the middle and the end was pointlessly rushed. Cut the lull and expand the rush and it might've worked.

As it stands, however, 2003's ending makes about as much sense as Al suddenly transforming into his normal adolescent self and telling Ed, "lol bro just kidding, hahaha you seriously fell for that shit for almost a decade lol". The frenetic pace fucks it up.

>>143532599
Try formulating something of actual substance to say instead of vapid "People don't like this because they're hipsters" shit. There's been plenty of posts detailing why they like one over the other and the only people saying anything about disliking it because it's popular are people asserting Brotherhood is somehow unquestionably better because of ad populism fallacies who seem to be either newshits or crossboarders who don't watch much anime and don't know what the hell they're talking about. You might as well tell us how much you like SAO and SnK too. Also, stop abusing the spoiler feature.

>>143532609
>digibro
Brotherhood fags, everyone. Shutting where they eat while masturbating to a brony faggot who jerks himself off over how unique his taste is because he put a mediocre show from 2013 on it.

>>143524095
03 Al < Brotherhood Al

>>143532710
At the very end. Face it, if you took out monologues that lead to nothing but failed attacks and if you took out battles in which nobody actually dies and no plot advances, you'd be left with 1/3rd of the episodes. It's a mindless slog which has almost no consequences for anyone leading to a total disinterest and disconnect for the audience. And compared to how light the rest of the show is, Roy's revenge episode is really stark and overdramatized. Could've done the same thing in half the ep. Again, too drawn out. It's like I'm watching Bleach.

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>>143532802
When he transferred his soul across the gate I had a brain orgasm

>>143532710
Hohenheim, Greed, Bucaneer, and Fu die. Scar should have died after defeating Bradley and activating the circle, but I guess the writer grew a bit too fond of him.

>>143532825
Well, I must say that most of what you're saying is a matter of pure opinion. The Roy ark seemed quite natural to me, if you look at the progression of his character.

And as for the drawn out-ness, It's a matter of investment. This isn't the same thing as in Naruto or (I assume) bleach where "draw-out" literally means animation filler of nothing happening, or people doing stupid shit like standing around and discussing a fight that's happenig in front of them, or really long establishing shots. The slow pacing of Brotherhood builds tension right up to the end, and so if you're following the emotional track laid out by the earlier episodes, the battles no longer seem inconsequential because they become character-driven moments, not plot-driven.

What most likely happened is you were overly critical of the show WHILE you were watching it, or maybe you had another reason and couldn't engage with it fully, which disrupted the experience for you.

>>143533103
Are you really defending Brotherhood with Naruto and Bleach?

>>143512508
Only because I'm thirsty for the anime with mai husbando more content.
Ed's actor looks way too old, and Roy's isn't good looking enough

>>143533151
Why shouldn't I?
Naruto is a perfect example of how not to do animation filler and pacing. And I'm saying that whe pacing of Brotherhood isn't just animation filler, but mostly story buildup

>>143508278
>-Roy killing Winry's parents and it never getting closure. That moment where they meet in the forest by Ed's hometown where she basically goes"Oh hey, what's up, Roy, kill anyone else's

I've only seen Brotherhood, and don't think that happened in it. What was the justification for this in 03?

>>143519312
tbf Canonically Ed has gawdy taste until he's about 17/18

>>143532622
>happy go lucky
They were just as scared in brotherhood as they were in 03 lol these arguements are hilarious..
>more serious/somber tone means its good writing
Your literally the perfect example, as well as half this thread. Every 'arguement' for the 03 version can be chalked up too "but it was more serious" or "they were more hurt". Its comedy to see how easily folks will be rused into whats good writing.. The manga is better & 03 wasnt the best anime ever but jesus christ atleast it tried.. Re-read your own post with that grntxt in mind

>>143532935
Samesies

>>143533275
Because they were treating everyone who came to them, including those who would immediately just go back to attacking and killing the military's side, so Roy was ordered to go and stop them by Basque-Grand I believe. They never elaborate if he was ordered to kill them or if there was just some sort of struggle or what.

>>143533412
>Basque Grand
Poor Grand, he was so cool in the manga. It's a pity Brotherhood cut out most of his scenes and FMA03 turned him into a moustache-twirling asshole with a retarded alchemy gimmick.

>>143516327
They need someone to feed them red stones/philosopher stones. Otherwise they eventually die off/rot in an unmoving state.
As show in the 03 Sloth episode, and the manga/BH omake/OVA

>>143533361
>Every 'arguement' for the 03 version can be chalked up too "but it was more serious" or "they were more hurt".
They're saying that there's seemingly more weight and consequence to their actions. Brotherhood almost actively tries to sabotage any sort of sense of tension with how little consequence there is. The darkest moment for Ed in the show is completely ruined by a dues ex machina when he somehow uses his soul as a Philosopher's Stone. This paired with the general atmosphere and the overly repeated and poorly placed gags ruins any sense of consequence for a number of people. It isn't a matter of "It's dark so it's better" like you're trying to make it out to be.

There's been multiple posts in this thread detailing what's good about 03 over Brotherhood that don't boil down to whatever strawman you came up with, you're just choosing to either ignore them or dismiss them for whatever reason. It's commentary on religion and Dante, the story being more narrow in scope and focusing more on its characters, the concept of equivalent exchange and how it's explored and integrated into the plot, there are plenty of reasons people enjoy it more than Brotherhood.

>>143518789
>>143518817
Not to mention one uses a higher concept thematic/dramatic themes considering in 03' one of the main themes is about the concept of "equivalent exchange" and how supposedly you get what you put in. The main character literally has his core beliefs and values challenged and outright disapprove. i.e no you're not fixing that broken radio simply because you understand the concepts of a radio and have all of the parts, the 'energy' has to come from somewhere

in 03' case that energy is a finite source of "souls"/"life force" from a doppelganger world

>>143519122
The only true improvement the sub has(particularly once the dub actors 'settled' in to their roles more) is that there's more variety in the background character voices. Dub reuses VA's for random soldiers ABC to a noticeable degree. The rest is mainly preference since the casting and acting are fairly solid overall in both cases.

>>143532047
I think they probably gave Ed more than your average Alchemist because of his age and accomplishments. I think it's even implied that Roy is partially financially responsible for him? But I got that from the episode when they're stuck in the hospital and Roy has to pay for the toys and comics they rented

>>143534022
The dub made some poor casting choices, like giving Truth their own voice actress, when the character is supposed to sound like a distorted version of whoever they are talking to. Ed looking and sounding childish for his age is a minor plot point, so giving him a female VA was a reasonable choice.

>>143521905
I don't think the movie is as shit as most people say it is(mostly on the reasons they say it's shit). I say this as someone who's watched it and the entire series around 10 times as autistic as that is. BH about 3 times.
Personally I found no issue with the Nazi thing since a) they were a separate thing from the not yet established nazi regime, so really they're only nazi supporters based on the actual German occult group b) it made sense for the setting/time period. Though main bad needed to be developed more.

Things it did well->The plot/relationship between Ed/Al/Alphonse and Ed going around trying to figure out what happened to his dad

Things it shit on->military crew, partially due to time constraints but the movie has some really bad pacing issues towards the last 30+ minutes
->Pacing
->Ho-Dad and Envy really end up pushed aside to be the plot device to enter into the last 30+minutes

The movie probably would have been better had it been separated into 2 movies. The first showing Ed's new life and expanding his investigations as well as the lives of the characters in the main universe

the second focusing on the battle in the main Universe and consequences of it.

Definitely not praising it, but it's watchable. Mainly the first half.

I feel like adding a bit,and I don't really know where this fits in, so lets just do this.
To respond to the concept of the filer characters, (mostly Clara the thief [only one I strongly remember] been years since I last watched FMA 03) her purpose was to show just how immature Al was. Much like how Ed was prone to childish emotions throughout the series, so was Al. The connection he makes between his mother and Clara show just how "young" Al really is. This type of character development and explanation can also be seen in Barry the chopper, and a few other minor characters.
To compare the character development with Brotherhood, I find that it skipped over a lot of important character development in order to better develop the world they lived in. While both are important, I believe that FMA benefits more in its characters than its world. I can still remember the personalities and motivations from most charters, I can barley remember any city besides Ishval. In this type of story, it's the characters that are important.

Fuck off MAL

Brotherhood is better because it follows the actual manga.

This is an objective fact.

>>143525022
Personally I think it's better writing for it to be Roy rather than Scar who killed her parents. Makes the situation much more morally ambiguous rather than
>lol PTSD by a big bad
As well as the fact it gives Winry a more emotional personal stake in Ed being part of the military, and under the guy who did it who is not a fanatic serial murderer 90% of the story. An entire theme of 03 revolves around moral ambiguity. The arc ends when Winry states that she can't forgive what he's done, but acknowledges she's powerless in her situation and her stating that he didn't give a shit about Hughes was hasty and based on her hatred for him. BH throws that out the window to the point where a character is either good, bad, or becomes good
>>143525442
What? The main force behind Roy's actions is finding why the fuck Hughes was murdered and to not put his support in vain..

He literally tells the Fuhrer he doesn't give a shit that he's a homonculus, but that he was behind Hughes death and was purposely tearing the country apart

>>143533412
It's specifically stated by Marcoh, that Roy was ordered to kill them because previous negotiations to get them to leave weren't working and at that point they were prolonging the war.
Then Roy almost attempts suicide in the same room before being stopped by Marcoh.

>>143534256
Truth only has that voice with Ed. Something something Truth presenting itself in a way that reflects the person it's facing.
With Izumi it has a garbled sound that it mutters out.

(But I do agree)
I don't like Vic, but I prefer his voice for 12+ Ed
Both do great jobs overall
jap VA works better for kid Ed

As I said overall they're comparable and it's mostly preference based, but I recommend watching both versions at least once

>>143517337

While I've always been a stalwart defender of 2k3, the Bradley scenes in FMA:B are some of my most rewatched anime scenes. They just nailed him perfectly.

>>143534783
I think each version chose the killer based on who would work best for what they wanted to do with Winry.
In Brotherhood, Winry's main role is being a creator and a healer, so revenge-driven, self-righteous destroyer Scar was a much better foil for her.
Winry never forgives Scar either, and she makes it very clear. But she chooses to stick to her principles, and to live up to her parents' legacy. Scar on the other hand, never forgives the actions of the Amestrians, but comes to understand that his rampage was only making shit worse for the surviving Ishbalans. Brotherhood has its own set of themes, and one of them is that, while the sins of the past can't be erased, you can get over loss and move on: neither of them can get back what was taken away, and they never forgive each other, but Winry eventually forms her new family with Ed, and Scar finally accepts his brother's legacy and rebuilds his homeland with Miles.