>You will never be a muslim in 18th century Central Asia
Why does it hurt so badly?
Mongolians weren't usually muslim. Most, at that point in time, they were Tibetian Buddhists. Even now there are very few in the population that are Muslim.
On another note, Amir is waifu material.
Because you aren't going to be Prussian and get hype for the Frederick the Great ride.
>You will never be a German in 18th century Prussia
Hold me, lads
She isn't THICC, but she certainly isn't a skeleton either. She is the perfect definition of health.
> According to a 2009 U.S. State Department release, the population of Tajikistan is 98% Muslim, (approximately 95% Sunni and 3% Shia)
Why are you so butthurt towards islam that you need to flimsily justify reading cartoons with muslim characters.
>b-but they are a different kind of islam so it's alright guys, r-right?
>Various scholars have recorded the Zoroastrian, Buddhist, and Aryan pre-Islamic heritage of the Tajik people. Early temples for fire worship have been found in Balkh and Bactria and excavations in present-day Tajikistan and Uzbekistan show remnants of Zoroastrian fire temples.
Fucking muzzies, why must they ruin everything?
That's how religion is, rome and by extention europe was also ruined after embracing (((Christianity)))
>that feel no worshipping Mars to help you secure victory against the barbarian hordes of the east
Get out loser, that pantheon is old and busted
>tfw no older qt wife for crazy /ss/ marital sex
They are not Mongolian but anon could be forgiven for thinking so since the plot so far has basically been a rip off of the life story of Mandukhai Khatun and her husband Dayan Khan who Mandukhai adopted at age 7 when she was 19 and then married 12 years later after he became the Great Khan.
Why the author felt the need to move the story 500 years in time and 2000 miles west I have no idea. The real story is fascinating enough.
>arranged marriage between a young boy and a beautiful teenage girl
>They are not Mongolian but anon could be forgiven for thinking so
Only if he is American and therefore has a clinical lack of whichever hormone is responsible for realizing there is more than three stereotypical cultures in the world at any given time.
Yes, very. Dayan Khan was the last surviving male heir in direct line from Chengis Khan. Mandukhai, saved him, raised him, trained him to be a warrior, helped him form a coalition that elected him great khan, then had 9 children with him.
Mandukhai was herself descended from Chengis Khan, she was a third or fourth cousin to Dayan Khan..
>When you're supposed to be a good muslim but tengri makes them dancing boiis so pretty
central asian problems yo
There's no way the marriage was not consumed. How can a 12 years old boy's cock resist the presence of such a semen demon ?
I will bump this thread with Prokudin-Gorsky 1911 colour footage.
Probably late bloomer. There was even a small comic where she is playing with his hair while he is sleeping with a caption she wished he would grow up faster. He is in for some wild nights.
lurk Prokudin-Gorsky. He made many color photos of Russian Empire.
Pic. Group of Russian kids near Belozersk.
>mfw most of then will probably get starved in revolution and Stalin's purge
As far as I posted kids, try to guess the ethnicity of those children.
Here's that panel you mentioned. Looks like she's waiting for him to mature a little.
>die before he could see those photos in color
not true. I heard somewhere that he managed to show them to the last russian emperor
If I could get a cute wife that will love me just by turning muslim, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Some Iranian girls can be qt as fuck. Shame what Islam and foreign meddling did to their country.
Blame the Saudi brand of puritanical Islam.
Those two-faced fuckers are more than happy to use their money and global influence to fuck over everyone else. Oh, what's that, you're an Ahmadi? You want to spread peace and tolerance? Fuck you heretic, infidel, you die.
Only anime and manga can make Muslims desirable.
This. Originally that photo calls "A group of jewish boys with teacher".
OK, and here is one more photo. Just look at these colors, how impressive they are.
Another good example is Magi. It made want to live in that One Thousand and One Nights setting it had going on. Well at least until all that futuristic shit happened after the timeskip.
>became ugly later on though
People hit puberty later back then, for starters, thanks to differences diet and some microevolutionary changes in the meantime. He's still probably five years off from his voice cracking.
>he didnt kiss cute girls when he was little
missing out desu>>143500801
i guess thats true. still, i wanna see more of them in general. i dont want to see yuri and twice shy couple
>Anons trying to deny some dictional charachter's faith
>This happens :
I usualy don't care about that shit, but having someone BTFO so hard is allways a nice thing to see.
God I hate that pussy! He doesn't deserve her.
Animu fucking when? Emma was great, I want to experience something beautiful in motion and sound again!
I feel like it'd be too boring to be an anime. Even then, I'd be bracing for disappointment since the mangaka has such a hard on for the intricate cloth designs. I feel like it'd be way too hard to animate that.
>God I hate that pussy! He doesn't deserve her
I like Smith, but I agree with this. If he had any sort of backbone, he could have taken her away from her shitty life. But he pussied out.
>But he pussied out
I give him some leeway on this. He is a stranger in a strange land and right now he's already marked for death just by being British. He is very cowardly but at least he's understandable in it.
Mostly the latter.
Shit was so fucked up after the US and britain killed off their democracy for cheap oil that people rather put their lot in with radical preachers than suffer the shah any longer.
>muslims today are exactly like the muslims back then
>If that was the case we wouldn't deal with so much shit now
Mfw this shit.
At least Smith has a friend in based Ali now. Dude is pretty cool. Also I wonder if Mori will revisit Smith's romance with that girl. Every other tale ended with a pretty happy ending. But Smith's tale ended with a pretty downer ending, seeing this >>143503566 makes me feel for her even more.
>Well at least until all that futuristic shit happened after the timeskip
I feel the same way. I miss the whole Arabian Nights feel that it used to give off. I'm not really interested in whats going on anymore. It also doesn't help that every Magi thread turns into shitfest between shippers, so it's impossible to have a decent discussion without the thread turning into tumblr.
Well we tried, but artillery shells remove more than just the people
The middle east has had a pretty rough history. Also the longest history, the reason it's desert now is because it was overfarmed like 4000 years ago
>you will never be tenderly held by your older wife
Seriously what's the fucking point of living, just kill me now.
Amir is too perfect. Hands down one of the best waifus ever to exist. I hope we get another chapter focused on them again.
I dropped it somewhere around after the hogwarts arc. After that it seemed more like a generic fighting shounen than the unique atmosphere it had before. I've started to read Sinbad's spinoff but it just isn't the same.
The name of the main girl. Although sometimes they say Amira. I'm not sure which one is correct.
At that point he could've been fucking her just to have more heirs, that was really important to people of powerful families. I remember reading about an Ottoman sultan who was deeply in love with one specific concubine and wanted no other woman until his mom begged him to fuck other women and bought him two more concubines so he could produce more heirs.
I'm reading the manga and buying the volumes. It'd kinda be interesting if the MC met a couple that was the opposite.
A grown man with an underage girl. But I don't think the mangaka has the balls to cover that/the editors wouldn't allow it cause of possible back lash. Especially if the guy wanted to consummate. I mean stuff like that did happen, itd be intersting to see a comfy story about that though.
Amira and Karluk are probably my favorite fictional couple. They're adorable it warms my heart.
>You will never be a muslim
>been reading up on temujit
>he lambasted the turks of the western steppe >killed every single potential ruling person
>took every potential princess for himsel
DAMN YOU MONGORIANS
If we're talking about thick than Shirin is where its at.
>If that was the case we wouldn't deal with so much shit now
its in their blood
2/10 u got a (you)
Amira could have looked a fair bit like this
Pic related is a kazakh girl.
You're only making my longing for a qt Kazakh girl even stronger.
What surprises me most is when I typed in Kazakh girl into google, a lot of them look like a mix of Mongolian and Chinese than arabic. A surprise but fitting too considering some of the character designs for the women.
Bumping with more Kazakh women.
I agree, I'd love to see Mori tackle a couple like that because she's so good at working with traditional marriage in a way that deals with it on its own terms instead of incessantly trying to subvert tradition the way many creators love to do.
I guess that sort of thing might be taboo even in Japan.
Taboo or not, it takes a skilled author to pull something like that. It has been seen for quite a while for a much older man with a relationship with a much younger girl as being somewhat more aggressive. There can be and was in many cases love but the balance of expectations to fantasy is tough. While it wasn't unusual to see it at all in much earlier times, I can't see the relationships being quite as cozy as Amira's situation. In contrast an older woman with a young boy is seen as more nurturing and loving if not that we really feel envious towards the guy, even today. One good example is Tommen and Margaery in Game of Thrones when she snuck into his room and seduced him. Flip that around and that would get creepy.
It could work but again, would be a hard one to tackle.
Historically speaking though older men with younger women, in some cases young girls, is not that uncommon. Otoyomegatari can deal with some interesting relationships because of its historical setting and Mori's commitment to it so if there's anyone who could portray an older man with a much younger girl I think it would be Mori or someone with similar sensibilities.
Btw Leon the Professional teased a sexual undertone to the relationship between Portman and Reneau's characters and a deleted scene implied it even more. Admittedly it was removed because a test audience found it weird but that's a fairly big budget film so I don't see why a mangaka couldn't at least attempt to pull it off.
OK, here I am again.
Did somebody asked QT's?
OK, there is only black-white version.
Two jewish girls
And the author of these gorgeous photos, S.M. Prokudin-Gorsky.
Well, if I'm not mistaken, the manga took place in mid 19th century, as soon as these footage 60-70 years later. I don't think that camera at 1850s were able to took good quality photos (I know that at there were already some experiment with taking color photo in 1850s).
>implying the local community would accept a marriage with an infidel
>implying they wouldn't honor kill her
At least the turkic peoples were traditionally quick about their executions.
What the FUCK is going on in this thread?
Well at this point if he does end up going back for her, I doubt he's going to settle down there. Especially now that her uncle or whoever that guy was is around. If it happens, he'll probably end up taking her with him.
There's so many things wrong with this, I don't even know where to start. You found /a/ a few days ago, r-right?
Central Asia is Asia, breh. As in surrounded by a shitload of countries. Arabic peoples barely penetrated through Iran. The Persians actually prevented them from getting through to Central Asia. Just look at the presidents of the Central Asian countries. They don't look Caucasian or Middle Eastern.
It is nice. I came here from /qa/ expecting a shitshow and find myself in a comfy slideshow of early 20th century Turkmenistan.
Keep it up /a/.
Its nice that my favorite manga has the best threads on /a/ Sometimes we get comfy discussions and sometimes we get some good history discussion. One of these threads produced some good book recommendations that I can hopefully get around to reading someday when I chew through the ones I've already checked out from the library.
Its not like the romances she writes have any relation to modern marriage in Japan. Emma is about a maid in Emma and Otoyomegatari are set in the 19th century in Victorian London and Central Asia respectively. Both settings have vast differences with marriage in the modern world generally and marriage in modern Japan specifically.
The mangaka who insist on having self insert beta-kun as their main character seem more influenced by ignorance of romance, either on the part of the author or the audience or both.
He must've assumed the Arabs had some sort of presence because of the spread of Islam to the region but that's a mistake. The Arabs were able to penetrate and conquer the Levant and the Maghreb and spread Islam with them but in Central Asia Islam spread more so through conversion, not conquest, via the Sufis. This is why central Asia has a much, much weaker tradition of Sharia and why they retain many of their own traditions; The Sufis were the exact opposite of the strict Sharia jurists and were not at all antagonistic towards local traditions and in fact assimilated them within an Islamic framework which made them effective at converting the peoples of Southeast and Central Asia who were beyond the reach of the Islamic empires.
When conquest did play a role it was in the opposite direction; the Central Asian steppe nomads fucking the Arab and greater Muslim world thoroughly through the Mongol conquests which eventually lead to many of them converting to religion of the conquered.
I could've worded that better. Islamic empires did reach both Central and deep into South Asia so you've got a point but Islam spread even further beyond their reach through the Sufis. A lot of the peoples of those lands were hard to convert because they were nomadic and independent making them harder to influence through a state apparatus where as the Sufis, with their emphasis on spiritual practices and their openness to local tradition, were more effective at converting those peoples.
Not to mention many were still outside the reach of these empires. Mughals didn't go far past modern day Afghanistan so this manga takes place a bit north of the northernmost parts of the Mughal Empire at its height. So the peoples of this manga, with the possible exception of the Tajik twins, don't live in lands that were part of the Muhgal Empire.
Oh I see. I don't really remember her much but its been a while since I've read the early chapters, does she come up often?
I also noticed that she seems to be the only woman who wears a traditional hijab among the women in Karluk's village if that page is any indication.
I'm sure this added another dimension to the exact nature of the events. Namely Kuchum Khan's conversion spree.
Although it might not be geographically close enough to be relevant.
It doesn't seem to align with the setting of the manga but to be fair it s a Muslim empire of the Steppe. Wiki says its the northernmost Muslim state in recorded history, how neat. Obviously I was wrong in saying Muslim empires did not reach deep into the Steppe because that is pretty fucking deep. I still think some of my points stand though. Imposing religion on nomadic and independent peoples is a lot harder than imposing it on settled peoples who are more integrated.
The Muslim conquerors of the Levant and Maghreb didn't even force too many people to convert so that they could collect the Jizyah(a tax on non-Muslim monotheists which was basically most of the people under Muslim rule back then) and many people who did convert to Islam under their rule probably did so to raise their status and to break into the bureaucracy and imperial structure which shut out most non-Muslims.
Its pretty clear the imperial Islamic presence is much deeper and rooted in the Middle East than in the Central Asian Steppe but I probably down played the role of empire in the spread of Islam in the Steppe. In my defense I did mention the conversion of the Mongols as part of the spread of Islam though.
>You will never fuck Amira after a night of music and dance
Why even go on?
>her hand will never slip into your pants as she smiles as you struggling to finish your music
WHY HAVEN'T THEY FUCKED YET
I WAS PROMISED /SS/
They were basically an offshoot of the Mongol Empire who ruled over Indians. Northwest India has a long history of being conquered by various peoples, the ruling class has ranged from Greco-Buddhist descendants of Alexander the Great's veterans who brought Buddhism to China via the Silk Road, to steppe nomads like the Kushans and Sakans, and Iranic peoples like the zoroastrian Indo-Parthians. Mughals were persianized, muslim Turco-Mongols, and Babur, their first emperor, was a descendant of Tamerlane, the second greatest Mongol warlord.
Kublai's like the most overrated Mongol ever. This is the dude who got his ass kicked a combined six times by the Vietnamese, the Javanese, the Japanese and a handful of kami. Even the fucking Manchu could conquer China.
>that feel sandnigger and can marry 3DPD Amira
I'm going to feel real cheated if these two don't have sex eventually. Heck I want the series to end with Karluk and Amira having at least two children.
This isn't the 21th century. Eight is an absolute minimum, they have to make sure the genes are transmitted
Exactly when in the 19th century does this take place? Anyone know? I'd like to figure out what kind of rifle Amira would like as a gift, but I need to know if its in the flintlock, caplock, or metallic cartridge eras.
If my memory serves me correctly,
The first time the Hargals went to Karluk's village (and got ambushed), one of the villager shoots a bolt action repeatedly to the air until an elder stopped him, saying its a waste of bullets.
Thanks for the comfy thread anons. Helped me calm down after watching the clusterfuck that was the Berserk "anime".
>Rome was able to survive another 1000 years because of Christianity
>this is what christfags believe
I believe its around 1860-1870 or so
I don't know if Mori actually that attentive about historical small arms. There are always the possibility of her just using whatever weapons that suits the setting. Remember the WW1-ish biplane toy played by a boy at the early chapters of Emma?
>That feel when you'll be moving soon and won't see nearly as many Jordanian- and Iranian-American girls in your area anymore
It is really hard to stay on the 3DPD road when there's all these nice, cute, ambitious girls around you. M-maybe it's for the best.
>Eight is an absolute minimum, they have to make sure the genes are transmitted
Seems a bit much, besides by the time Karluk is ready Amira would be getting up there in age. I bet they're have around five kids.
>you will never have a QT loyal waifu who hunts and cooks you dinner and /ss/ with you
~5% per pregnancy in 19th century Britain (1 in 20 chance of dying)
Infant mortality was about 20%-33% before the child turned 5
Bumping with Kazakh girls.
So why did Amira panic so much when Karluk got sick? Think she was married before or just her being overprotective?
Hard to find cute ones wearing the traditional garb.
I know the marriage was arranged but its really heart warming how much Amira cares for her husband.
And kind of cute how easily she can lift him.
Arranged marriages were the norm back then, anon. Well, even now they are, in most places. It's interesting how they happen to be the ones that end up with both persons being happier versus a marriage by choice, though.
But it looks like the tables are starting to turn. The little shota is slowly becoming a man.
Kind of makes sense. Things done on impulse, especially romance, doesn't end too well. A lot of succesful arranged marriages are done by the parents. Sure among royalty and higher class, its the wealth and status first and foremost but assuming the family is a family (grandparents and all and not just mum and dad) I can see them having a much better judge of character both for a partner and their own child than the child themselves. After all, they were the ones who are still together and made it that far.
I like how Mori deals with arranged marriage on its own terms instead of trying to subvert it as is too common. She's able to show you how a healthy and even atypical marriage can work out with the institution of arranged amrriage
Damn, I love Otoyomegatari threads. Even got a little history lesson in this thread too. Good shit anons.
Her eyes seem rather light there, almost blue.