Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1589

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What is /djt/ playing right now?

>>143444527
Anime

私わたしは腕時計うでどけいを四よっつ持もっています
Can I read the end as te-e-masu or te-imasu?

>>143444527
Kamidori AM

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>>143444527

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>>143444662
>私わたしは腕時計うでどけいを四よっつ持もっています
そんな書き方..

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>>143444662
fek, I included the kanji to kana. Here's the flashcard.

>>143444662
Both sound more or less the same in fast spoken Japanese so it doesn't matter. It is an い sound though.

>>143444819
Thank you

>>143444527
I'm watching someone else play 牧場物語 3つの里の大切な友達 難しすぎるです

http://www.strawpoll.me/10615973

>>143444947
How can a game for kids in kindergarden be too hard?

Yesterday, here in Tokio, I saw an elementary schooler reading Owari no Seraph LN spin-off. People here normally use book covers, but that kid probably gave no fucks.

Anyway, that about shows how much of an achievement is being able to read LNs with no assistance. Although I bet 99,9% of people here can't do that.

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Today I did 267 new cards, the most I have ever done by a fairly wide margin. I hope never to break this record.

>を食って
I'm trying to figure the base concept that phrases using something along these lines is supposed to mean. Closest I can come up with is "Lapping it up" or "Went full ####" but it's pretty contextual depending on what it follows. Anyone up that knows what it is?

>>143445675
"took"?

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>>143444527
怒首領蜂 大往生

>>143445668
If you did that much new cards, your reviews will easily be that high or even higher for the next week at least, depending on your retention. Good luck.

>>143445668
Well done anon. Meanwhile I just got to 52 words, and I'm still reviewing the same stuff I just forgot from yesterday. And I just realized I didn't put a reverse side so I can read and write the words, but I guess since I have no desire to handwrite in japanese this might not be too much of an issue for me. I can't retention for shit, but at least it's king of like drawing, I can quick pose gesture better, and I now can remember a little bit more.

>>143445668
Every time I come into these threads you guys somehow manage to strengthen my impression of it being a place for flashcard addicts. It's genuinely disconcerting.

>>143445668
Good luck to you. May your willpower and endurance survive the aftershock.

>>143445668
I hope you have nothing planned, friend.
Either that, or I hope you are willing to forego the act of sleep for the next week or so.

>>143445817
It's the only numeric you can show in this thread that you know what you are doing and making tangible progress. The alternative is speaking in vocaroo and expecting people to listen to the sound of your voice and critique your grammar and pronounciation.

>>143445524
difference is i've been studying japanese for 8 months while that kid's been doing it for 10 years

>>143446061
If you're dedicated enough and just dive into the deep end, you'll be able to read simpler LNs in that time. That series about the girl in the bear costume is pretty easy to read.

>>143445402
I spend a lot of time drawing kanji in google translate because there are no furigana and it's not voiced. It doesn't help that the guy playing it is a native who skips through the whole paragraphs of exposition only to sum it up as "oh this is my uncle" after the fact.

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>>143444527
The original meme game

>>143446157
i'm about 200 pages into my first ln right now
i have to rely on a dictionary to look up a word every other sentence, though, which i'm not expecting to be able to drop any time soon

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>>143444527
not nearly good enough to play it in japanese

>>143446378
What series?

>>143446591
イリヤの空、UFOの夏

>>143446617
I vaguely recall that already being listed over at BT. Why that one?

What are the best nico streams for listening practice?

>>143445817
Only the flashcard addicts are autistic enough to feel the need to brag about their study time. Gives a biased impression about the way people are studying.

>>143446808
no particular reason, saw someone mention it on /int/ i think
didn't really have anything else i wanted to read other than jintai, but i'd rather leave that til i'm more comfortable reading it

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>>143445757
>>143445885

Yesterday I did just over 1000 reviews thanks to not being able to do them for 3 days. Trust me, I'm already used to the pain, I can handle this much. My young retention is 98% and mature 96% so I am not worried about forgetting too much.

>>143445859
>>143445808

Thank you, your praise is very much appreciated. Also to >>143445808, not sure if you are doing core or a mined deck, but either way, if you are having trouble with retention try doing some mnemonics for kanji that are giving you trouble. The ones on koohii work wonders for me.

>>143445817
>>143446938

My anki vigil ends in about a fortnight when I finish my jouyou kanji vocab program. After that I will get right onto reading as much as possible, so don't worry about me.

>>143446961
For Jintai you'll need to be able to handle a bit more than typical LN vocabulary(Low N2-ish?) and be accustomed to turn of phrases. It's not as difficult as people seem to make it out to be but you're not going to be able to appreciate Romeo's writing style for it without a fair amount of experience.

>>143447147
>Young retention is 98%
What is your IQ m8?

>>143447147
>After that I will get right onto reading as much as possible, so don't worry about me.
Read now, pick up vocab along the way. Dictionary definitions aren't even half the battle.

>>143444527
Idolmaster Starlight Stage, as always.
Until Platinum Stars comes out, at least.

>>143446202
Then maybe you should play it yourself at your own pace and not deal with that guy's bullshit.

>>143447147
Yeah this is me >>143445808, and I'm using the 2k/6k deck like you. I'll try hoohii as well.

>>143444527
overwatch competitive placement matches

>>143445668
Why the fuck would you do that? That just seems stupid.

>>143445915
You can show off your kanjigrid.
It gives a more clear view on your progress so far and doesn't involve doing suicidal amounts of new cards, just mining stuff.

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ちょっと難しくなった。

>>143447842
you have dysgraphia

don't bother practicing writing itself, just the characters

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>>143447340

Download the RTK PDF too, it contains names for the "primitives" that the koohii website does not. I don't recommend RTK as Heisig prescribes it but if you learn the component names then the mnemonics can be helpful when you need them. Just make sure to verify the "keyword" is actually accurate by looking up some common words the kanji is in.

>>143447201

Haven't taken an online test in many years and never got a legitimate test. The online ones said ~125 but those inflate your result to boost your ego so who knows for sure.

>>143447264

Thank you for the advice, I know reading is incredibly important. I read Hanahira already and started on Flyable Heart, but got frustrated with not knowing the kanji I saw everywhere. I decided to do this so that I would not have to deal with the annoyance of looking up new kanji very often at all. In hindsight it probably wasn't the most optimal route but now that I'm so close to finishing, I might as well do just that.

>>143447523

I had 267 new cards mined so I just decided to do them all in one fell swoop. Mainly I did it so that in several months if someone in DJT asks "what is the most new cards you've done in a day" I can answer 267.

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>課題
>議題
>extremely similar shapes
>similar frequencies
>overlapping meaning
>different readings

>>143447878
What's dysgraphia?

>>143448050
It's an umbrella term for conditions that make it so that you can't write properly/legibly, even in your native language.

>>143448082
Uh nope. I'm writing using the other hand. Thanks for the new word though.

>>143448157
nice meme

>>143447942
>got frustrated with not knowing the kanji I saw everywhere
Any kind of frustration you could get from that is easily solved with a text hooker and anki realtime import.

Also holy shit, how many people are going to fall for the Hanahira and Flyable Heart meme?

>>143447842
It seemed like it was plenty difficult enough for you already

>>143448243

Can't speak for Flyable Heart as a meme but Hanahira is not a meme to fall for. It's easier than anything else and is crazy short so it's great as beginner material. I don't regret it.

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>>143448043
>look ma I posted it again

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>>143448371

>>143448043
when you see 議 and 義 and the like in a million words you will not have any trouble remembering it's "ぎ"

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How can I make Rikaisama import the 2nd definition instead of the first one?

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>>143448449

>>143448490
I still need to organize my reaction images.

>>143443866
A young Japanese woman in her 30s that works at a local Japanese restaurant just recently advertised private language lessons on Facebook. I've been learning on my own since march, and have memorised 1500 kanji, and some vocabulary and grammar. Is it worth going for the private lessons or should I stick on my own for now?

>>143448473
When it's an actually relevant word and not fucking だ, you can type it out and 変換 it over to the right 漢字

>>143448367
Little did you know that Hanahira secretly killed enough of your brain cells to leave you unable to become fluent in Japanese.

>>143448559
it would be good speaking practice

>>143448559
Is she actually qualified to teach Japanese? Just because she's a native speaker doesn't mean she actually knows how to teach the language.

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>>143446261
>not playing it in nihongo

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僕は図書館に行く前にお前の食べ物を食べる。それから宇宙船で火星に行く。いいのかい

>>143448819
that would be like watching american cartoons with japanese subs and calling it practice

>>143448878
お電波さん見っけ

>>143448819
There's no nihongo version on PC so he can't pirate it/buy in for a dollar.

>>143448878
良いわけないでしょう。私の食べ物は私だけのものです。食べさせませんよ

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>>143448908
It's a shame. Judging from Japanese wiki's, the game looks much more interesting in Japanese.

>pyromancy is called 呪術

>>143448897
You get to read all that lore in Japanese, though.
It got some rare kanji for you to collect.

>>143448473
press u, then r over the kana, then press u again

>>143448703
I've sent her a message asking if she has any qualifications and waiting for her response. It's not really worth it if she doesn't have experience, yeah?

>>143448956
>>pyromancy is called 呪術
then what sorceries called

>>143449015
Sorcery and miracles are 魔術 and 奇跡 like you would expect.

>>143449015
are*

I NEED LISTENING PRACTISE that isn't anime or drama

I only have an iPad and the actual anki app is $25, do those other free anki apps work with the decks in the guide? Also what happened to genki being in the guide?

>>143444527
ロケットリーグ

>君は逃げられないぞ、俺の魔法使えばどうにでもなるんだから。

I'm pretty sure this just means that there's nowhere 君 can run from 俺 thanks to 俺's 魔法 skills, but how exactly does どうにでもなる work? Can't find any explanations of what it exactly is meant to mean.

Guys what do I do if I am guessing the meaning of sentences incorrectly? Like when I read something I simply go and form narratives that don't exist in the text, or incorrectly interpret the relation between objects.

>>143449187
watch the news
or a documentary film

>>143446569
I've played through 3 schools so far and read the first few story parts and skipped the rest. The story is literal shit not even worth reading

>>143449247
There's nothing you can do, as in "whatever will happen is going to happen."

>>143449256
If you don't know the grammar learn it. If the meaning is wrong either find a way to twist what you think it means to remind you of the actual meaning or forget it entirely and relearn it.

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おにいちゃんおなかすいた

たまにはおにくもたべたいな

>>143449413
俺の肉棒でもしゃぶってろ

>>143449413
アメリカ人はほぼ毎日肉を食うんだな
変に見えるかな

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>>143447842
Your kanji slopes in the wrong direction senpai

http://handbeezy.com/701

How's my pronounciation?

>>143449380
ive gone through the guide but..

if you ask me to explain what each particle does or to seperate clauses I can handle that much, but in actual usage sometimes it seems so unexpected or inexplicable

i mean someone could read the entire tae kim and dojt 10 times through, then hold a dictionary and yet not be able to read a book, right?

are you supposed to read like a parser, as in you would be able to explain the grammar precisely afterwards?

>>143449209
jailbreak?

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何らかの理由で日本語を書くのは僕を幸せにする..間違っても。面白いね

>>143448976
Thanks anon!

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I'm trying to find my own style of writing but I don't know if it's any good right now. I want to go for a sort of neat blocky feel which is what I've tried to do. But it's really hard to do that with hiragana so I'm not sure. Maybe I should leave the hiragana normal and just write kanji in my style?

>>143449526
heavily accented

>>143449532
You have to know the rules to understand. I took a class on grammar in college and a lot of it was learning terminology. Most people could identify a grammatical error and fix it on day 1 without knowing technically why it was wrong. This is because we spoke English our entire lives and were already fluent. You aren't at that level yet. Whatever it takes, learn to automatically read and write grammatically correct.

>>143449708
That looks like you spent a full five seconds writing each kanji in 勉強, so I don't think you're at a point where you should be shitposting about anything like this in the first place.

>>143449664
It's borrowed. I just figured people here might have tried the free knockoffs.

>>143449708
your す is backwards buddy

what is everyone's opinion on reading material that has translations?

If you dont know you are making mistakes, then how can you correct your understanding?

does guessing like >>143449256 prevent you from properly understanding grammar?

Are there any cons to reading the translation afterwards? Before? After every paragraph?

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Studying time!

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>listening to a song in japanese
>can understand literally 0% of the words
i spent 4 months grinding core for this?

>>143450101
Yes, keep going you jerk I'm stuck in the same boat as you. Keep practicing and listening to songs you'll get it someday.

>>143449945
>what is everyone's opinion on reading material that has translations?
A bad idea in general because translations are full of mistakes and you might just end up reinforcing your misconceptions. If it's a translation by a professor in an official publication like in textbooks, readers, and novels then it is fine, but then you'll be very restricted in the level of available material.

>If you dont know you are making mistakes, then how can you correct your understanding?
by reading the fuck more

>does guessing like >>143449256 prevent you from properly understanding grammar?
If you have such significant problems you should be reading something easier or with more context. You should be able to make good educated guesses with the help of rikai and occasional grammar lookups. You should not be making completely random guesses based off of the pictures.

>>143450101
>>143450183
>they think grinding core will teach them japanese
pffhah

that aside just look up the fucking lyrics
it's a million times better than anki
絢爛, 円陣, 羅列, 螺旋 appear in a couple songs once? memorized forever

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>>143450101
god dammit. screencapped for future laughs

>>143449951
>Sissy fuss
>Not learning after the first time
>Not digging a suitable hole for the boulder to settle into before going down the hill to push the boulder up again.

I shiggy diggy.

>>143449951
>sisyphus finished anon 5k

>>143448367
That guy is just a troll, don't pay attention to him. There's a reason the Hanahira -> Flyable Heart path is so commonly recommended and taken here, it's the best way to learn Japanese.

>>143450526
who the fuck actually reads vns 爆笑

>>143449865
That's む, can't you see?
Sick youtsuba reference.

>>143450598
Well he forgot the line in the top right corner then.

>>143450598
>>143450705
you really think he intended to write 勉強しまむ

>>143450526
It's the best way to get brain cancer that's for sure.
I was so bored with Flyable Heard I switched to Steins;Gate and thanks to the text hooker it turned out to be on the same level of "difficulty", except it didn't make me want to kill myself. Mined a lot of useful shit there as well.

Taking N1 this Sunday. Any tips?

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>>143450734
No, I was making a joke. Sorry.

>>143450770
knowing japanese helps

>>143450818
Good point.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw

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>>143449514
まいにちピザとかハンバーガーはちょっとへん

あれはまいにちたべられないよ

>>143450940
毎日クジラとかイルカはちょっとへん
あれはまいにちたべられないよ

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>>143443866
I sure hope there's some /g/entoomen here to help me out.

I'm on Debian Testing. Anki doesn't want to boot up after a fresh install and I need to find a good IME.

>>143450918
をｗ that is some weak translation on the meme serifu

Oh shit niggers, I just learned that on my trip to USA this December, we're gonna have a stopover in Tokyo for like 3 hours.

I can only read Kana, still learning the basics of grammar and forgot all the Kanji I learned.

It's been many months since I last studied nip and I'm struggling if I wanna get back in.

>>143451065
Just reset your decks and start all over.

>>143451106
I haven't even gone to flash cards yet. I'm still reading up on Kim's grammar lessons.

>>143451065
>3 hours
Nice, you'll have time to read a few Japanese/English signs while you go through the airport.

>>143451065
>3 hours
so just enough time to land, get off the plane, buy a coffee, write a shitpost, switch flights, and get back on a different plane?

>>143451038
For IME just use mozc with ibus.
As for anki nobody can help you without more information. Run it in a terminal see what happens, if you're going to paste the output here and it's too big use a pastebin.

>>143451160
>>143451177
Family said they'll deal with the airport shit while I can fuck off and do whatever I want. Not sure if there would be any stores I'd want to check out nearby either.

>>143451217
Here's what I get when I do "sudo apt-get install <path to anki.deb>" after installing Anki a first time.

http://pastebin.com/Fh0yz9jB

>>143450274
>>143449945
I always had similar worries about whether or not I was reading something correctly. An english translation exist for what I'm reading now but even then I don't know how directly they translated the work. It got me thinking about an interesting project. on say a weekly basis someone picked a short story or short piece of text and had a whole bunch of anons read and translate that text, making note of specific grammar points. The person could then compile those translations, discuss/support certain points, make notes of certain mistakes and turn the text into a small sort of grammar text book. I'd be nice for picking out common mistakes and could cover a wider range text. If the there were more natives we could also get some insight on some slightly nuances that can make it hard to completely understand certain text.

But it was just a thought. In reality I don't think it would work out quite so smoothly. There's probably proper text books that do this as well (albeit with easier less varied text)

>>143450918
>for you line is just as awkward in moon
o wow

>>143451342
I haven't used that particular package manager in years, but it says you're downgrading anki, which should mean you already have it installed.
Why don't you just try running anki?
Also, why are you supplying a path to a deb file? Doesn't debian have anki in it's repos?

>>143451264
Is this your first time traveling? Just because the airport is in Tokyo doesn't mean you walk out right in Shibuya. Been ages since I was there, but I'm pretty sure there's at least half an hour to Tokyo Metropolis from Narita. And even then you need to fix a temporary visa to even be allowed out of the airport.

Unless you're staying over for more than 6 hours, the most interesting things you'll do in "Tokyo" is visit the duty free shop.

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I don't understand the translation!

>>143451414
It didn't recognize "anki" the first time so I downloaded the package off of the Anki website and installed it that way. I also tried installing via the package from the Debian website and it still doesn't work.

>>143451264
All you can do in 3 hours is buy some スルメ in narita, and you don't need to know any japanese for that.
Buy that shit, though, it's good.

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What's the best phone app to learn off of? Mostly just want something I grind at 10-20 minutes a day. I imagine none is completely well rounded so one biased a bit towards kanji is preferred.

Why the fuck do kanji have different meanings when they're on their own and when they're in primitive form? How is it acceptable that, for example, 己 is "self" when it's on its own and "snake" every other fucking time? How am I supposed to remember this shit?

>>143451574
Did you try searching for the name with
>apt-cache search anki
Also, did you try just running "anki" in a terminal?

>>143451641
>snake
and another one falls for the heisig scheme

>>143451637
Ankidroid is the only one you need.
Perfect for grinding 20 minutes a day as well.
You can bias it towards whatever the fuck you want.

>>143451692
ぷ。

>>143451641
The only place it ever means "snake" is in baka gaijin imagination.

>>143451641
Because Japanese words are not composed of smaller pieces that you logically construct or decompose. Japanese vocabulary doesn't work that way.
The kanji "meanings" are nothing more than mnemonics that usually help you remember the meaning of the words they belong in, but other than that there are no rules for it.

You can learn all the kanji in the world and still not be able to read shit. That's why we say not to waste your time just learning nothing but kanji by themselves. You absolutely have to learn vocabulary and that's what you should put most of your effort toward.

>>143451769
>>143451641
well technically it's the symbol for the 6th sign of the chinese calendar, which is a snake, but other than that it doesn't fucking mean snake. 蛇 is snake even in chinese

>>143451679
"apt-cache search anki" fetches a bunch or unrelated packages. Anki also doesn't run in Konsole.

>>143451812
don't run your mouth off about learning japanese when you clearly don't know anything about learning japanese, friend
nobody suggests doing nothing but learning kanji by themselves, that isn't to say kanji study is a waste of time however
the same vein of logic can be applied to vocab, because vocab by itself won't teach you to read shit either
hell, even with tyler kim on your dick, good luck getting anywhere with only 6000 words if you don't have a dictionary
i can tell you kanji study in fact extremely helpful as someone who has spent months doing it

>Japanese words are not composed of smaller pieces that you logically construct or decompose
this is way too broad of a statement, there definitely are words and kanji that are composed of smaller logical pieces

the kanji meanings are definitely more than mnemonics, every kanji has something it means, especially the more complex and specific ones

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First time writing something of any substance in nihongo, just a very short story for fun. Hope it is somewhat interesting.

夜、渚。松明、人々。砂髪女、駄目男。宴の傍らで一緒に。知り合いなんて無かったので会話も無かった。長すぎた無言の後男が苦肉の策で変な考えを言葉にした。
「ね、どこかに奔ろう。このクソ村を逃亡しよう。二人で。」
女はどうやって返事するべきかと思った。
「…どこでも誰かの「どこか」だろう？」と言った女、宴に戻った。
「確かに臨海村と水際宴は「どこか」のイメージがする」と思った男、一人で謎の不満を貪っていた。

>>143451993
>that isn't to say kanji study is a waste of time
Right. I didn't say that. Calm down and read more carefully next time.

I don't know why people still keep having misunderstandings about this since we have these arguments about 100 times a day.
I said "nothing but kanji" is a waste of time. I didn't say it was a waste of time to study the individual kanji.

>the kanji meanings are definitely more than mnemonics, every kanji has something it means, especially the more complex and specific ones
If it's a word then it's a word. If it's not then it's kanji meaning doesn't play any technical role in the language.

>>143451342
That's what you get for using Debian when you don't know what you're doing.

That said, that's a python error. Are you using python 2?

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>>143451993
>even with tyler kim on your dick, good luck getting anywhere with only 6000 words if you don't have a dictionary
....だから何だ？ お前は一体何を言ってるのｗ

ジョジョ４部が大亜門っぽい

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>>143451993
>i can tell you kanji study in fact extremely helpful as someone who has spent months doing it
Of course you can't actually read anything, because you wasted months doing it instead of reading.

>>143452080
most common kanji have their own word though
even the obscure ancient ones that aren't used outside 2 character compounds have their meanings that are acknowledged by japanese sources and not just heisig's arcane scripture

i mean the symbols came from chinese after all, you really expect them to mean nothing? or do you have something in mind with the word "technical" there?

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>read common route
>mine a bunch of words in kana
>finally able to branch out in a girl's route
>mine same words but now in kanji

>>143452322
Not that guy but the RTK deck only takes like 30 minutes a day to do, and that's with writing every kanji down as well

I do 100 kanji reps + 20 new kanji everyday, 600 vocab reps + 20 new cards from my mined decks, watch raw anime for 1-2 hours and read for 4-6 hours everyday, it's not like you have to pick one or the other

>>143452121
I've got Python 3.5.2.

>>143452322
why would i be telling you it's helpful if i couldn't read, brickhead
with my extensive logographic library i can now memorize words at the speed of light

>>143452379
"technical" meaning there's no rules for them.

Like I said, if it's a word then it's a word.

But there are no actual rules of the japanese language that involve taking that kanjis chinese meaning and doing something with it.

If I'm wrong then let me know. But if you're going to use something like naming conventions or slang then I'd just point out again that those don't actual follow any technical rules, they just develop and change over time like any language does.

>>143452412
If a word can be written with kanji, always mine the kanji.

>>143452322
It's not about speed, it's about the fun.

>>143452121
"dpkg -l python" gives me version 2.7.11-2.

where can I find minna no nihongo 2 in good quality?

>>143452416
I don't really have a problem with kanji study if it's like what you're doing, since you're obviously getting benefit out of it (the ability to write), and you're not neglecting the other more important parts of learning Japanese at all.

It's the people who don't have as much free time as you, so the kanji study cuts into their reading time, or the people who put off starting to read actual Japanese texts while learning all the kanji individually, that are crippling their own learning.

>>143453058
Well yeah that's true, if you don't have much time focusing primarily on kanji isn't always the most efficient way to go at it, unless you consistently find yourself having problems with recognising them

>>143453058
What do students do when they learn new kanji, I wonder. Do they single it out then see the many words it comes in? Do they just learn it through words? Does the teacher give them sentences to read in which the kanji is used? They do like 20 kanji a week or something right?

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この文章は普通の日本語練習だけよって気にしないで..毎日はこれをする

>>143453529
>は
maybe I could have just put 毎日これをする

How do I get better at speaking? Just by speaking a lot or am I better off doing sound exercises a lot too??

>>143453562
try こうする

>>143451518
Why are the panels different for the English and Japanese version?

>>143453940
The scenes was just changed for the newer release, dunno why

>>143451038
>Anki doesn't want to boot up after a fresh install
Is it giving you any error messages? Try opening it from the terminal (just open a terminal and type "anki") and see if it spits any errors out at you.

>I need to find a good IME.
IBus + Mozc is the best option.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internationalization/Japanese
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBus
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mozc

P.S. Debian is くそ

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>>143453892
what's a sound exercise

>>143454070
Like practising the pronunciations of things over and over again or individual sounds

>>143454056
mozc onna = おんな config edit:
ibus ui -> configure mozc -> general -> romaji table find the nn input entry and set its "next input" field to n (defaults to blank)

>>143453918
thanks

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>>143454070
撫でた～い

>>143454056
http://pastebin.com/SFd0gGZZ

Is there an anki deck for all the jouyou kanji sorted by japanese school curriculum?

>>143454337
What's your DE?

>>143454372
KDE Plasma 5.

>>143454387
I might be wrong, but my guess is you're missing a dependency for Anki somehow. Try installing QtWebKit (that's what the error seems to suggest Anki needs but you are missing).

>>143454418
>>143454387
Wait, I did a quick google search and it seems like this is a known problem for Debian users:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=826727

That page seems to suggest that you need to install python-qt4.

>>143454296
did it work now

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>>143454531
Yeah. I had accidentally added it for the wrong input field.

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>>143454583
it happens

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>>143454501
I was able to get Anki working using the method at the bottom of the page. Thanks for pointing that out!

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/v/ making fun of us again

>>>343144057

they are also outdoing us in the 出来ない局

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>tfw 90% mature cards in core2k

>>143455290
Core is イージーモード

>>143454805
don't let people tell you debian sucks

it has always ruled
and it continues to rule
it will rule after their gimmick arch and gentoos are long gone (gentoo kinda is gone already)

>>143455378
what isn't?

>>143455401
Mining obscure/uncommon vocab

>>143455419
lol what the fuck are you talking about you retarded elitsit eat a dick

>>143455426
Woah it's okay bro, 90% is impressive man congratulations

>>143455560
Can you please write an elaborate passage on studying obscure/uncommon vocab in Japanese and English so I can differentiate whether you are an accomplished person or just some faggot shitposting?

Please explain how rarely used vocabulary is any harder to learn than commonly used words.

Fucking idiot.

>>143455610
>Please explain how rarely used vocabulary is any harder to learn than commonly used words.

B-Because you see common words all the time when reading, but hardly ever encounter rare words?

>>143446261
Is this meme souls? I was just thinking about what I should play, but I guess this settles it.

>>143455656
maybe because that kind of method is dumb if your goal is to learn rare vocabulary (for whatever reason)
I'm sure there's language studies in Japan that have made lists with words by usage even more elaborate than the first google result:

http://www.manythings.org/japanese/words/leeds/

>>143455771
I wasn't talking about just exclusively mining rare words, I was saying that by the time you're done with core and have been reading for a while, the words that you encounter and mine tend to get more and more uncommon, because you already know all those standard common as fuck words by that point, therefor a mining deck would naturally be harder than core2k

>>143455858
your theoretical assumptions just prove that you have not invested the time necessary in learning Japanese to a level remotely approximating your pretended knowledge

the more you know a language, the easier it gets to master it

I have done my reps 16 days in a row now.
Sorry for blogging, but this is my personal best.
頑張ります, /djt/!

>>143455380
it's ok when arch is gone i'm going to be laughing my way to the moon with freebsd running on microcontrollers in my brain

>>143455912
That's true for many aspects of language learning, but it being harder to remember information that you rarely encounter is pretty obvious and stays the case no matter how far into learning a language you get

Besides I don't think you're in much position to call me out on having "pretend knowledge" considering you were boasting about core stats

Either way this shit doesn't matter at all, I didn't think you'd get so offended by my reply

>>143456082
>but it being harder to remember information that you rarely encounter is pretty obvious
holy shit im having such a hard time refining my English skills by reading 4chan all day, it's such hard work oh my god

>>143454056
Last time I tried IBus + Mozc it was disabling input from the whole keyboard for a few seconds sometimes when used in Anki, scary. I can live without an IME, I guess.

聖液
聖義
聖活
聖治

Can someone post that image that shows what level of understanding you have with various texts depending on your vocabulary?

>>143456851
I would also like to see this

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>>143456851
>>143456906
this?

>>143443866
http://store.steampowered.com/app/438270/

So, is this a big waste of time or worth the 2 bucks?

>>143456936
>Hiragana
>No achievements

Not worth, just use realkana

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おはようおにいちゃん

ほぼホタテたべたい

>>143456924
Cool, I was getting 23300 on some "test your vocab" site.

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Should I play Tsukihime?

I mean in original Japanese of course. Is it worthwhile?

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Ah, Japan. Where else can I watch a fat, sweaty man drink beer and eat weiners live?

>>143458480
In your mirror.

>>143457219
これちょっとヘビーな質問ですけど、
日本って、電車とかに痴漢は普通ですか？
もしそうなら、どれくらい頻繁に？
普通そうだけど、本当に分からない、でもちょっと可哀想な感じがするから知りたいです

>>143456936
Waste of time. You can learn hiragana in an afternoon of focused study instead of just fucking around.

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Can nips truly read as fast as TV shows display subtitles, or are they just helpers for listening + reading at the same time?

I say that because to this very day I still press pause a lot to read subtitles in MY OWN language, and when I haven't the option to pause (i.e. in a public screening) I put a massive effort into listening and only use subtitles as a general reference.

I can't fathom fully digesting the same amount of text but with a 3000+ set of symbols to sort through.

>>143458659
本気で言えよ、痴漢行為が欲しいだろう
因みに何で「痴漢」は「漢」（チナの意味）で書きますか？
人種主義かしら？

>>143458659
痴漢になりたいですか

>>143458849
>I still press pause a lot to read subtitles

Sounds like your just a slow reader to be fair, I don't have any problems keeping up with subtitles in English or in Japanese, despite still being quite an amateur, so I'd imagine most japs don't have any problem with it at all, other than japs that are slow readers like yourself

>>143458849
http://www.myreadspeed.com/calculate/

try this and say results. you sound like a naturally slow reader

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>>143452077

>>143458872
>>143458877
いいえ、真実に痴漢なんか決してしない、可哀想から

最近たくさん痴漢のエロを観ているからちょっと日本の真実について考えていただけ

いい天気ですね

>>143459042
いいえぜんぜん

>>143458924
>>/lang8/

I'm sure they'll appreciate it more than us, and you'll get much more useful feedback, gl

>>143459151

True, thanks. I won't bother until I get better though.

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>>143458891
>>143458905
Tom Sawyer - 153 wpm (I'm ESL).

I was a bit thrown off by the words being puttogether like this every other line, but that didn't interrupt methat much.

Fun fact: I can reach 120 wpm when typing, so I believe 153 wpm is a slow-ass reading rate.

It must have to do with the fact that I'm very careful with everything I read, my retainment is pretty high.
I remember seeing my colleagues learning to read back in school and I would get flabbergasted by their attempts to GUESS words instead of finishing them by the book.

What are your speeds, if I mind asking?

>>143459214
>if I mind asking
Brainfart.

>>143459214
Average is 300. So yeah, you're at literally half the normal speed which is pretty crazy slow. Do you not read books or something?

>>143459001
つまらない…
もし痴漢行為したら、私に痴漢行為させるかな
なんかムラムラしちゃったシコシコしたい

>>143459214
I just read the Tom Sawyer one and got 234. It'd probably be better if it wasn't a terrible OCR or whatever that text is.
It sounds kind of BS to me that it'd take me 7 hours to read Alice in Wonderland though, that book is way shorter.

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>>143459214

Why thefuck were half the words likethis? I had topause to figure out if "ornever" was a real word or not before I switchedbooks. It didn't help muchthough.

Anyway, I got 343 on Huckleberry Finn and 377 on http://www.readingsoft.com/. (native, people say I read fast for what that's worth)

I think results saying that 300 is average, like >>143459305 says, are crazy biased because people who care at least somewhat about their reading speed are the only ones who take these tests. I know firsthand that plenty of native speakers have difficulty reading normal-speed subtitles of foreign-language media. And if you put on Tatami Galaxy subbed for an audience of native speakers I would bet that 90% of them would struggle to keep up. This isn't a good thing, really, but it's the fact of the matter.

Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't try to improve but don't feel bad about your reading speed as it is, it's quite decent especially for ESL.

>>143459655
>And if you put on Tatami Galaxy subbed for an audience of native speakers I would bet that 90% of them would struggle to keep up.
i'm an avant bookreader and i struggled to keep up with the first episode

my awareness couldn't slip for a moment and my choice of looking at subs or visuals had to be highly moderated

>>143459305
On the contrary! I used to be a bookworm.
I've learned to read when I was 4.
I've read at least 300 pages per week from 10 to 15 years.

After that I kinda stopped because Internet, but I mostly use forums and I oftentimes read wikis and whatnot, so I keep somewhat sharpened and I'm not usually around jewbook or other illiterate-ridden ambients.

But my speed has never really varied that much, really. There is a certain metronome in my mind as I read. I can go faster, but I can't appreciate the rhythm of what's written if I do so. I can't fully digest the structure and analyze the "feeling".

>>143459603
>>143459655
Just tested with my native language: 189 wpm, so the language isn't that much of an issue.

There was a site with a new method of reading which flashed words at a 400+ wpm rate in a fixed dot on the screen. I managed just fine to read it, but I had to do a lot of multi-tasking, reading real-time while making sense of it with some delay. Kinda like live-translating.
I think that's what people with high reading rates do, can you confirm that?

>>143459739

Me too, somewhat. I just brought that up since it's the only time that comes to mind that I ever had difficulty with subtitles.

>>143459780

>There is a certain metronome in my mind as I read. I can go faster, but I can't appreciate the rhythm of what's written if I do so. I can't fully digest the structure and analyze the "feeling".

This is also true for me. My metronome is probably around 240 wpm somewhere. 360ish is the most I can manage while still reading comfortably.

>but I had to do a lot of multi-tasking, reading real-time while making sense of it with some delay. Kinda like live-translating.

This is very true. I speed-read the Alice in Wonderland sample at 693 wpm just now using that method. I understood most everything, only missing the line "She took down a jar from one of the shelves asshe passed" with the marmalade, so it was certainly effective. But I don't find it very enjoyable to read that fast, a slower cadence is much nicer.

>>143459739
>i'm an avant bookreader
what did he mean by this

>>143459780
I think that people that read fast don't read "out loud" in their mind. They simply glance the words and take their meaning but don't "hear" a narration or characters talking.

>>143458905
274 on Tom Sawyer
297 on Alice in Wonderland

>>143460141
it means i'm cutting edge

>>143460141
I think he meant to say that he is an "avid" book-reader.
Despite using "avant" instead of "avid".
And not capitalising the start of his sentences or "I"s.
And not ending his sentences with a period.
And conjoining words into a single invalid word, like "bookreader".

>>143460269
>And conjoining words into a single invalid word, like "bookreader".
huh??? i'm a bookreader though

>>143460313
On the internet, nobody knows that you're a fictional appliance

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>katana means blade
>kimono means wearable thing
>sake means alcoholic beverage
How disappointing. What's next?

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>Write out words from anki in a notebook and type out the definitions in a text file to help me remember
>Finally decide to audit it
>Anki says I've got 4881 as mature / young+learning
>Only have 4880 typed out
>Only have 4879 written out in my book

>>143460549
Oh, I forgot:
>geisha means artist

Post your country's name in kanji

>>143460603
唖滅痢禍

>>143460603
伯

>>143460603
英

The best

>>143460727
愛羅武勇

>>143460592
Haven't you double-defined a word?
For instance, 上がる has 39130812390 meanings and maybe you grouped them.

Or something like 毎年 which can be mainen and maitoshi.

>>143460859
忌劉世訃

>>143460592
ドンマイ

>>143460603
亜爾然丁

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I went to my grandmas house and found a pre WWII textbook she used growing up in occupied Taiwan.

>>143461237
scan it

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>>143461237
It's falling apart, but the tape is just barely holding it all together.

姫 or 王女 for princess?

>>143461349
姫 is for Japanese princesses

王女 is western princesses

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>>143461276
I left it at her house since she said it was important to her.

>>143461349
姫 can be simply a daughter of a noble, 王女 is royal daughter.

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>>143461417
The print quality was better than I expected for something this old.

>>143461349
王女 can also be used for non-royal rich girls, so use 姫.

>>143445668
>more than 3 hours of anki
absolutely pathetic

>>143461469
王女
王の娘。↔王子。

姫 ［名］
女子の美称。「歌―」「乙―」↔彦。
貴人の娘。姫君。
近世上方で、遊女のこと。
〔接頭〕物の名に付いて、小さくてかわいらしいものであることを表す。「―百合」「―鏡台」

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>王女
>女王

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Some reasons to switch to mining as soon as possible.

1. You won't learn useless newspaper words like 消防署　earlier than 犬.
2. It forces you to read.
3. No mater how autistic you are, catching new unique kanji in the wild is more fun than doing the same tedious core reviews day after day.

>>143462754
After I make it to 10k, I'll switch. Maybe.

>>143460603
I was surprised when I learnt this shithole of a country had a kanji.
西班牙

in the end the vocab decks are the only useful ones in anki, right?

I've been doing my kanji deck for a few months and now I know what they mean when I read stuff but not in combination with other kanji ie. I've been wasting my time because I still can't read shit

>>143462007
Please don't use Akarin to represent how できない you are

>>143462754
>消防署 is useless meme
Please kill yourself. Knowing basic anime words won't help you do much of anything. "Newspaper words" appear in everything. Are you one of those people who think they will be able to read after 10k vocab?

>>143463189
>Are you one of those people who think they will be able to read after 10k vocab?

Are you implying that you reached 10k vocab and still couldn't read?

>>143463189
Obviously no word is useless, but the order you learn words in core has pretty much zero correlation to how useful or commonly used said words are

>>143463189

> Are you one of those people who think they will be able to read after 10k vocab

Not that guy but I seriously hope so after investing so much time in it. At my pace it will take me about three years.

>>143463263
Without a dictionary? Of course not. Unless you're reading exclusively Yotsuba tier stuff.

>>143463281
It has a 90% overlap with the manga core 10k.

>>143463189
I will mine it if it's really useful. I definetely don't want to learn 消防署 earlier than 猫, 犬 and other immediately useful words just because I maybe might encounter it once somewhere in half a year probably.

>>143463312
Oh and for the record I've reached 25k and can read almost everything 'fluently' now, including newspapers, 2ch, etc.

10k wasn't anywhere near that though.

I'm reading while doing core, no mining. I'm 1900 words in.

Is that bad? I feel like most of the words I'd mine would appear in core anyways, plus core has voices, better order and example sentences.

>>143463406
Do what you want. I (almost) finished 6K before I started mining and had no problems. Pretty much everything there is very common.

>>143463114
I recommend doing some kanji alongside your vocab so you learn the elements and have an easier time recognizing the small variations in some kanji, but yeah doing kanji alone is pretty much a waste of time unless you're moving at 200 a day or something.

>>143463406
suspend every unlearned word in core
as you see them while reading, unsuspend them
unsuspend in order every day however many words you want to learn in addition

>>143463346
It depends on whether you add every word you encounter or just difficult ones, and also whether you actually want to read newspapers. You can read most VNs fluently with much less.

>>143463554
No I disagree, unless you stick to only really easy ones.

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>>143462754
Are you going to proofread and record an audio example of each kanji I mine?

Didn't think so. Fuck off, 馬鹿犬.

>>143463551
Ohhhh, that sounds very smart.

How does one do that though? Suspend all not seen cards yet?

>>143463346
How many kanji are in your deck?

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>>143463346
Back to Wizardchan.

>>143464258
Is this the final form of the anki meme

>>143464258
>over 25.000 cards
Woah.

I for one intend limiting SRS to jouyou or perhaps add in those fancy newspaper ones. I didn't learn English nor French through flashcards, but by usage.

Once I have enough kanji memorized so I can get by just fine, it will probably be easier to just deal with unknown ones the same way as when I stumble upon a new English word - using a dictionary.

>>143465005
No anon, you literally can't read anything except Yotsuba without 25,000 words in your Anki deck.

>>143463551
>>143463676
I'd also like to know this. How do you do this in anki?

>>143463676
>>143465266

You can go to browse > select the deck (whole collection or current deck would be easiest, assuming you are in the deck's study page) > sort by "Due" > highlight all the cards without a real date > hit "Suspend" at the top of the page

>>143465437
Thanks.

>一昨日来やがれ
Interesting, I'm amazed I haven't seen this before

>殺される
If someone unknown suddenly screams this at you, does he mean 'Get killed!' like he hopes it will happen or is this more like a Dude,'You'll be killed!'.

>>143466689
There's no way this is not completely obvious from context

おい、おにいちゃん
一発ヤらせて

Where can I get a hiragana and a katakana deck for Anki?

>>143467170
you don't need one.

>>143466976
今日の俺はジェネラスな気分なんで
散発殴ってあげる

>>143467188
But I want one.

>>143466689
I don't see how it can possibly mean the first one. It can mean the second one though.

>>143467284
no you don't. you only think you do.

>>143467201
全力で殴ってください、はぁはぁ

>>143467314
Please understand that I didn't ask for advice on learning kana or whether I should use Anki decks. I asked where I can get kana Anki decks, and the answer to that question is all that I'm interested in.

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>>143467201
>>143467352
Please, reassess whether learning a new language has brought you new and fruitful life experiences.

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>>143467432
kill yourself

>>143467433
why be a faggot in english when i can be a faggot in the father language of all faggotry

>>143467475
I'm not sure what your issue is, but I hope that your day gets better.

>>143467534
Have you tried using Google? At all?

>>14>>143467432
This is the Learning Japanese thread. Your question is irrelevant to this threads purpose as it won't help you learn Japanese in any way. Now go away.

>>143448897

not really, the voices are first party but the item descriptions are localized

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>reading Pupa
>"ayylmao we stopped translating"
>why the fuck?
>"the anime sucked so no hype lol eat shit"


THAT'S THE LAST FUCKING STRAW I'M LEARNING MOONSPEAK

FOR THE CULTURE

FOR THE ENRICHMENT

FOR THE ANIME TIDDIES

GIVE ME YOUR BLESSING /DJT/

>>143467432
Nigger just search the anki shared decks. If you're this retarded you literally can't learn japanese.

>>143464258
I don't understand why people find this surprising. I'm halfway through the year and I'm at 5k, in a year and a half I'll be at 20k, and it's not like the workload is going to significantly increase. I do around 250 reviews a day and it's a total cakewalk, I can't imagine stopping Anki when it's just helping me retain knowledge for longer.

>>143467769
good fucking luck

>>143467769
Enjoy spending the next 4 years in non stop agonising pain

>>143467769
Have fun. :^)

>>143467769
>Pupa
Well you definitely have the shittiest motivation these threads have ever had for learning Japanese.

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>>143467769
Horn on the right looks like shit, anime these days I'll tell you man...

>>143467845

pupa was the tear that made the vase spill, I have been tempted for years, my mother fucking language uses the same god damn vowels used in japanese and I learned english trough shear will by replaying Ocarina of Time till I vomited as a toddler, I'm fucking pumped as fuck

>>143467928
>trough shear
Yeah, it shows.

>>143467928
Good luck. I'd recommend doing RTK/kanjidamage first and then mining, but you can do whatever as long as you do something everyday.

>>143454805
KDE 5 is so pretty. I want to use it but it's just so slow.

Also, I just kind of like the unchanging nature of XFCE. There are hardly ever any serious updates for it so I don't have to worry about things like transitioning from KDE 4 to KDE 5.

>>143456343
Try Anthy instead then. It's not really developed anymore, but it still works.

>>143468032
Not like you really need those kana anyway huh

>>143468297
nice rebuttal dipshit, kana is such a joke to learn that it's not even worth mentioning. it should be obvious

>>143467993

hey fuck you nigga I have a farm and love shearing my sheep

Guys what does 最初が肝心 mean? I figured maybe it meant something to do with first impressions or some shit but idk

>>143468379
You underestimate how much hand holding people in these threads require

>>143468464
Context