Future animators

>>143420789
>kyoani will never teach you

>>143420789
Truly a project if you can tell a story using only animated line art

That's skill

>>143420789
Those aren't very good, to be honest.

>>143421106
>expecting a graduation project from a single person to be polished, colored and have sound
Come on, man.

>>143421175
No, but the motion should be much better than that because they didn't have to spend their time on cleaning up and coloring.

Why is Bahi so much better than Kyoto?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc_y3eAgIcI

>>143421239
You can't really compare this with the student projects. They're going for completely different effects. This is all scratchy and full of grandiose action whereas the projects are cleaner and actually tell a story.

The first animation felt like a Senpai Club ripoff, and was too slow/had too little to watch, so it was boring.
The second was too difficult to pay any attention to, and didn't watch the rest.

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>>143420789
These are all better than last semester's. Possibly partially because there's simply more to choose from (last semester I think there were 3 animations). Overall, I think 5 was probably the best, although I enjoyed the first and second ones more. 5 could have used some voices or at least a synopsis. But it still felt the most professional.

The most useless degree possible

>>143421854
bye bye anime

>every one has a highschool setting
Yeah I wonder

I like #5 the best.

#2 a shit

But yeah it's like >>143423960 said what's with the highschool setting? Is it part of the assignment requirements or something?

>>143421691
Thanks for your irrelevant opinions, they're greatly appreciated.

>>143421239
Bahi is one of the most, if not the most talented young animator right now.

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Very nice

>>143420789

Thank you Based GodAni for training the future of anime

>>143424493
It's comforting to know that the background art dept. has their shit in order, at least.

>>143424336
Bahi's animation is too loose.

Didn't the annual selection happen a few months ago and they chose NOTHING yet again?
It's been like 8 years of them not doing shit with it, it's just publicity.

>>143424531
Young animators are that way. When he's older he'll probably match Honda or even Inoue.

>>143420789
Is this the Kyoani circlejerking thread?

>>143424580
Annual selection of what?

The plot of the 5th one was pretty good.

>>143424632
Inoue animated his Akira scene when he was 26

Bahi is 26 now and still has no understanding of how people move

>>143424580
Are you confusing this for KyoAni's novel contest?

>>143424769

Are you?

>>143424493
>>143424524
tracing is easy

>>143424769
>u

>>143424663
pretty sure the novel contest
>>143424772
not referring to the op i don't think

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>>143424739
Anno was right, young animators these days only care about animating flashy action.

>>143424824
Young animators back then only cared about drawing like Disney, which is an inferior way of animation.

what ever happened to mansion and coppelia?

>>143424580
You mean they should lower their standards?

>>143424739
>Bahi is 26 now and still has no understanding of how people move
Coming from a guy who's never been outside.

Real people don't move like in your moeshit anime, bruh.

>>143425002
>implying they have a standard

>>143424914
Unworthy of being animated.

Robot Heart Update will probably be after VEG though.

>>143425027
No one said anything about moe, stop being so insecure.

>>143425056
they do, which is why there has only been one winner.

>>143425002
>there is somehow nothing good
>animate things like musaigen with absolutely no story
>>143425065
But /a/ said it was good

>>143425124
>pure fun with no story isn't allowed

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You did this in high school don't deny it.

>>143425285
Girls aren't autistic, they're outgoing by definition

>>143425260
>rushed random episodic pacing
>fun
All Musaigen had going for it was the girls, and Koito was a fucking shit.

>>143425382
Yes, episodic stories are fun.
All the girls were great except for that dull black haired one.

>>143425382
Phantom got entertaining during the second half of the season. First half was very slow, specially the loli episode, after that it got better when everyone had already been introduced.

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>>143425354
>I've never talked to a female, let alone been close enough to gauge their personality correctly.
Autism please go.
Girls can be nasty introverts as well as anybody else.

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>>143425494
>the loli episode
The one where she went to the bear kingdom? That was probably the best episode in the show besides when pic related showed up.

>>143425515
>im such a nerdXD

>>143425565
7,9, 12 and 13 were my favorites

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So how long until those animators can rightfully stand amongst the other KyoAni animators as a key animator?

>>143424905
Inferior? In what way? Do tell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72-jfLnwzR8

>>143425820
The animation is too forced.

>>143425814
1 year probably

>>143425820
>choosing a classic film from the 60's
disney isn't the same as that anymore

>>143425883
ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qnQqXr838E

>>143425382
It's exactly that kind of randomness that allows them to put as many differing animation techniques as possible without clashing with the overall tone of the show.
The last time this kind of thing happened was in Hyouka and only for the early episodes for some reason, I guess they were keeping with the current arc's atmosphere.

>>143425565
Mind explaining why that's the best episode?

>>143425852

Never thought I'd ever heard an argument as stupid as this one.

I think they go exagerate a bit too much, but that's better than having a one frame pan for ages

>>143426085
>pencil/linework not even shaded or colored
>12 fps nickelodeon animation
this is like a music video commissioned to an art major in college

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>>143425820
I never really liked Disney's style to be honest. Yes it looks fluid, yes it's done in 1s but they use very basic perspectives and camera shots, everything is drawn like they're in a stage, animation doesn't look as cinematic or complex as movies like GitS, Akira, Metropolis, Jin-Roh, Cowboy Bebop, Tekkonkinkreet, Steamboy, Redline, Sword of Stranger, Memories, Satoshi Kon films, or even Ghibli firlms which are also very simple.

The only Disney film I can think of that featured more complex animation techniques was Tarzan.

I want to marry a KyoAni.

>>143426259
Are those subtitles real?

>>143425852
I imagine we all love animation. I'm not at all an animator or designer, I just want to mediate and open up some eyes. I'm not pitting one against the other. I'm providing reason why Japanese animators 'would' look up to Western animators. This topic was really about the obsession with action scenes. These "boring/static" animators were heavily focused on expressive faces. Something Miyazaki always talks about in the "anime was a mistake" meme. I was looking for some more Milt to post. Richard Williams is like a librarian for animation.

>>143426386
yes. there is a youtube video of it

>>143426157
Oh yeah, I really liked how they did whatever they want with the visuals. Also all the wacky faces were great. They don't really do that anymore.

>>143426157
>differing animation techniques as possible without clashing with the overall tone of the show
this is the general problem with modern kyoani though. it's just flashy animation and the kyoani sameface that they always use that heavily carries them. it's style without substance, and i like kyoani.

>>143426467
Inoue is a fan of Kahl's animation IIRC, and he has read The Animator's Survival Kit. It's likely that the older animators are aware of the great western animators from decades ago. I don't think many Japanese animators are inspired by the approaches of their western colleagues though, especially when you consider how Japan has to work with limited animation.

>>143426733
Flashy animation? What are you talking about? The only KyoAni show that had flashy, style over substance animation was Nichijou. They barely do action, most of their sakuga are subtle character movements.

>>143426733
>it's just meme meme meme
>btw i like kyoani
same

>>143426733
Do you mind explaining a little further?
Because when i think about flashy animations, i picture, for example, the fight scenes from fate by ufotable.

>>143421622
If you're an animator you're supposed to showcase animation.

If you're applying as a vfx artist you aren't going to submit a portfolio of storyboards.

>>143426539
>yes. there is a youtube video of it

Now I'm curious

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>>143426386
No.

>>143426386
I'm pretty sure it's just some dumb shit Bahi said years ago. I don't even know if Richard Williams has ever said anything about anime before, good or bad.

>>143426813
Musaigen's 2 main appeals were the girls, then the animation. Flashy may have been a poor choice of words, but KyoAni does get most of their recognition from these two things. The Enigma fight was objectively rather flashy.
I would wager that a stark majority of people who watch KyoAni anime are watching for those 2 attractions because that is what they gained notoriety for.

>>143426878
Since KyoAni is a self contained entity that do most of the creative work in-house they probably want multi-talented people, not just animators. If I was in their position I'd probably hold an animator that can tell stories on higher regard than one with better animating skills but that just follows the storyboard down to the t.

If they outsourced sure, just hire the best for the job but they are planning to keep these people.

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>>143427044
>not appreciating Bahi's words of wisdom

>>143427076
both are equally valuable

>>143426259
The theater style was something very deliberate, though.

A lot of the iconic examples of disney's animation are very strongly inspired, and clearly imitating the style of theater performance, whereas a lot of the japanese movies you're comparing them to were clearly inspired by film traditions, both domestic and western.

In the west, at least, animation really preceded major motion picture films, and the two industries grew alongside one another, separate and parallel. The heritage it draws from is deeply rooted in stage production because that was to those early animators what film is to the modern day, and that's the history they draw upon.

>>143427047
I thought KyoAni was known for their portrayal of characters and life.

>>143427407
>portrayal of characters
kyoani cute girl #1613
>>143427407
>life
like what? euphonium?

>>143427407
They are. Some anons just dismiss KyoAni since on the surface their shows all look like 'moeshit' as they say, their loss.

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>>143427407
You think that because they are, anon.

>>143427649
Why is she so sexy if she's deaf?

>>143427800
Because she can't hear the sounds she's making while she masturbates.

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>>143420789
bretty gud

>>143420789
5 > 2 > 4 > 3 > 1

>>143427956
Cute girls don't masturbate

>>143428076
Cute girls are the ones that do masturbate
Ugly girls don't masturbate because they don't have genitals or libido, or the ability to love or be loved. Cute girls cope with their massive, constant and overwhelming sex drive by masturbating vigorously to fantasies of leglocking their husbando during procreative missionary sex on their wedding night while handholding.

It's how they kill time and prepare for the long and healthy sex life they will share with you and you exclusively when you finally find a way to become 2D and spend your life together with them.

>>143428182
>somebody actually typed this

>>143426259
Is this even real? Nothing come up when i Google'd Richard Williams and Anime.

And why is this get posted on /co/ so much?

>>143427800
Not even sexier than Shouya.

>>143428558
I don't think so, I just googled that sentence and a post on /a/ from 2013 came up. Whoever said that is not wrong though.

>>143428592
That's because she'll Shouya everything.

>>143424294
It's called criticism

>>143428642
No it's not.

>>143423960
It's all they ever animate anyway.

>>143428182
Why would I want to lose a dimension?

>>143428760
vviibbrraattee hhiigghheerr

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>>143428020
I'm still working on it actually.

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>>143424812
>>143424580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CJeDetA45Q&feature=youtu.be

The novel contest? They already picked a winner last year and its getting an anime.

My fav is 4, the composition is good.
The 1 is lack of composition and boring as fuck.

>>143429422
>last year
2014 is 2 years old

>>143429422
They are very busy. I didn't expect VEG to be in the works yet.

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>>143429463
stop reminding me what time it is

>>143429523
well they skipped two seasons in a row instead of one season since KnK and Hibike S2 are in the same season. They'll probably take a break for winter again to do VEG for spring.

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>>143424512
>

The have no future.

>>143421175
His problem with them is neither color nor sound.

>>143429422
>Ishidate is a main director now
Bliss.

>>143429585
This looks decent for a 6 month trainee to be honest.

>>143429710
Yeah plus they'll start out as inbetweeners first anyways. I think there's a list of Kyoani animators who came from their school so it's proven to work

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>>143429776

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>>143429776
I can't read the credits for the VEG video but I believe some new animators worked on it

>>143429710
It looks pretty damn good, if you ask me.
Not all animation needs nor ought to be dynamic sakuga with precise deformation and fluidity. There's a charm to to simpler, less technically demanding styles like this, too.

>>143429856
>using Yuyucow list

>>143429776
This >>143429894
I'm not really fond of sakuga myself, since 'sakuga' doesn't mean it has good composition.

>>143429776
>>143429894
What are you talking about, the still shots looks garbage, you apologists.

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>>143430205
What's wrong with them?

>>143430205
>apologist

You really have a shitty mentality. There's nothing wrong with appreciating a student animator's work, it's not like we're comparing them to the greats

>>143430283
They're still when they're supposed to be animated. Kyoto Animation, more like Kyoto Still Shots.

>>143430351
I've heard you got to pay thousands to enter the school, is that correct? Then i'd expect more from a graduate.

>>143430456
>heard

>>143427076
Meh, not really no. In animation multiple talents are only useful if they conform to a really strict set of jobs.
Knowing how to do compositing and animation is useless, knowing how to animate and make background art is useless too, etc. Because these are jobs with no overlap.

However it's easier with things like storyboard, layouts and in-betweens/cleaning since they are directly linked to the animation stage. But then again, you don't need colors for those, the short movies they are doing actually allow them to work in all of these domains simply by virtue of being hand-drawn animated works.

Sound don't help at all, it's just another stage added at the end, so it's perfectly understandable that they wouldn't do that.
I remember that in my school sound came last, the works with the best sound direction were the ones frome people with the most ressources and/or finished earlier than the other.

>>143431275
Yes, really yes. You're looking at it from a very narrow minded perspective. When you hire someone you're expecting him to grow as a professional. Being an in-betweener or key animator for the rest of his days helps neither the employee nor the employer. As an owner of a business you expect a generational flow so that there's never a bottleneck or shortage in staff in any given area, and as an employee you wouldn't want to work at the same desk for 4 decades.

I work in a very similar industry. Being a VFX supervisor in a firm that often outsources depending on the project. You want your in-house staff to be multiskilled in their particular area and have a good sense of leadership (Key animators can often grow to be Animation directors or even Series Directors, that's what I meant as multi-skilled), when we hire freelancers we don't worry about such things because they'll be gone by the end of the project.

>>143431729
That's litterally what I said though. And like I said, these projects are more than enough to work on the skills needed for the jobs directly linked to animation.
Having pretty colors and sound in you garduation project won't make help you become an animation supervisor 10 years down the line.

From a technical perspective, which one is the best? I would place my vote with #4 as it seems to have the most effort and consideration put into the animation.

>>143431900
#5 by far, it's really impressive how good show some cuts were, they looked like they were done by professionals.
Most of the bad stuff with that one came from the pacing (a lot of cuts were too short), but it's simply astounding from a technical perspective. It's also the best told story out of the five movies.

#4 is a close second, lot of really good simple animations in there, and a good story served by a decent storyboard job (they did do some huge mistakes here and there though).
Outside of a few bad things, the technical quality is really really good in that one, some shots would definitely have their place in a professional demoreel.

#2's team did a good. Some shots (often the most difficult ones) stick out like a sore thumb, but overall the animation was actually pretty good wich some really cool cuts here and there.
The way the story is told isn't that great though.

#1 is just "muh sakuga" action scene. But there actually very little skill in there, the cuts weren't that difficult, the film is shorter than the others, they only had to do a good job on two cuts and they failed.
It's not terribad. But it's not that great.

#3 is shit. Animation is bad, chara-design is bad, storyboard is bad, I would be embarrassed to show that as my graduation film.

>>143427091
>Japan
>Strike

The last two were actually the better, but I really liked the composition of the 5th one. Good concept, even so the 4th is the most Kyoanish I guess.

Anyways, lots of good animators start like this or even worse sometimes, they'll learn a lot working with the masters.

>>143428031
This

>>143431900
5