Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1587

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できた！

>>143353237
Dude you can't generalize it, people learn languages different.

When I learned english it was like this:
1.Fluent reading
2.Fluent writing and speaking
3.Fluent listening

Why in that order? Cause keeping up with the slang and speed of native speakers gave me a lot of trouble.

>fluent reading

you fucks do realize that fluency specifically refers to the ability to express yourself, right

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>>143354009
>/jp/
Delete this, get out and give me first post 阿呆

>>143353903
Uninteresting OP ですよね

I recently started using anki and I'm wondering if it would be good to have a notebook on the side to write down the kunyomi and onyomi of kanji? It seems to go by a specific reading/phrase

>>143354216
Hello, ESL friend. Colloquially it can be taken to refer to understanding as well.

>>143354496
waste of time, just memorize it

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>阪服で
It's probably not that, huh

>>143354505
no it can't, not in the context of language

you can backtrack and say you meant "fluently reading," like with little trouble, but that's neither colloquial, nor does it refer to understanding and it's a big step away from what you're talking about with fluent speaking

"the ability to easily express yourself" versus what? the ability to easily have someone else's self expressed to you? no one's going to call you fluent if all you can do is read

>>143354617
It looks like 隊服 but I don't think that's a "real" word in Japanese.

>>143354885
Google tells me it's the word for ジャージ in Chinese.

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Is genki actually a good book for learning or is it overrated and not worth the time?

>>143354923
it's a textbook

that means you will learn basic shit in an artificial way at the speed of a limbless monkey

>>143354885
>隊
That would make it 'In Squad clothes'. It fits the situation, so that does make sense.

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>>143354923
>g*nki
i almost fell for it. don't fall for it anon. please.

>ちょっと言ってる意味が
>What are you trying to say?
>What do you mean by saying that?
Is the chotto here more of an Hey/Wait

>>143354496
I just learn some example vocab that use the different readings of the specific kanji. There's too many exceptions to just learn the kunyomi and onyomi.

>>143355415
I would say it's more like "not quite" in this situation.

>>143355415
ちょっと is an adverb, presumably for the verb after が
probably implied to be わからない so, ちょっとわからない

>>143354923
It's decent for grammar if you want a textbook/lesson format. You should be learning kanji way earlier and faster than genki teaches it though.

I'm having a hard time with Anki, any tips on retention?

Let's say we have
>私の指示通り動いて
And it's basically a
>Move as my instructions said.
Would
>Work as I instructed you to.
Be a resonable change of the line as long as it fits or would it lose some meaning of the original?

>>143355667
よく寝て、よく食べる
なるべく諦めない

>>143355667
Custom study. Review ahead a few days with "Reschedule cards based on my answers in this deck" turned off. Do this as much as you want.

>>143355733
as a translator that's your decision to make
or should i say, if you can't make that decision they you shouldn't be translating
i've seen way worse though for the record

>>143355733
If I was translating something and came upon that I'd be super paranoid about some asshole proof-reading my work and telling me I mistook 動 for 働. But if you think it fits best that's your prerogative.

>>143354023
>Why in that order? Cause keeping up with the slang and speed of native speakers gave me a lot of trouble.

That literally means you didn't know english.

You're also the most despicable kind of second-language learner, and you did it on purpose. Everyone hates people that think they understand a language but aren't capable of holding a casual conversation.

>>143355969
There are a huge number of people across the globe who learned what English they know through reading the English internet.

>>143356044
>There are a huge number of people across the globe who learned what English they know through reading the English internet.
I never said anything about putting reading first, anon.

>>143356073
I'm just trying to say your an elitist.

>>143356133
I'm the exact opposite of an elitist.

Can someone explain this to me?

This is from Boku no Hero Academia Ch.79, the translator is a nice guy who writes some random translating stuff here and there and I always read since it's interesting/learning experience.

> しかしそれでも奴には堪えられなかったのか
> But even so, [he] wasn't able to resist against the thing, huh...

The context is a character with a "dark" sentient power who grew up and is out of control.

On his notes, he points that 奴には refers to "the thing" (the dark power), but reading the sentence, to me it seems it could refer to his friend (the one who has the power, struggling to control).

Something like:
to him // he couldn't control it?

If it was just 奴は it'd be simpler to say "he couldn't control", but does why does には change the subject to the "thing"?

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僕は映画で巨人のまんこを見た。あんたは何回その映画を見たの

>あれシャッタ１だったんだあ

what does this mean

>>143356490
>the pleasure of cumming inside shutter 1
You're welcome.

>>143356295
Hm, nevermind, I think I got it now...

> 奴に堪えられない
> Can't resist the thing.

The は just made it confusing to me...

i'm probably being the fox asking for grapes, but are there streamers that can speak in english and play games in moonrunes with no trouble (reading wise)?

>>143355969
Suck my dick you piece of shit.

>>143356133
I'm >>143353237 not >>143356209 >>143356073 >>143355969
Do you have trouble with part of a second language because you haven't learned it yet? Congrats! You don't know the language.

If you don't understand the spoken language's slang, then you cannot read the spoken language's slang transferred to text. If you have a problem with spoken speed, then you're just slow.

You cannot read something without being able to understand the spoken version of that. It's literally a fundamental requirement. You might need practice to get used to the sound system of the language, but that's it. The only exceptions are idiomatic logographic written languages like classical chinese, and non-spoken languages like programming languages and formal logic notation (math).

Someone who can't read but can hold conversations knows the language, they're just literate. What do you call someone who can read simple text but is literally incapable of understanding what people say? You say they don't know the language. They only know a small subset.

There's nothing elite about what >>143355969 said. If anything, the only elitists that could exist in this situation are the people who pride themselves over monolingual plebians despite themselves having such bad grasps on other languages. Calling out pretentious delusions is not pretentious. I just want to read visual novels, man.

If you actually read the conversation that the ESL dragged from the former thread, you would realize that it's about some retard saying that you need to live in japan in order to be able to read, which is obviously wrong. Just because someone argues against something that the /other/ side said, doesn't mean they're saying you need to be able to have a conversation to be able to read.

All I said was that you literally cannot be able to read X without being able to understand X spoken to you.

>>143356583
Yeah, I know of one who's a freelance translator and runs a Japanese game blog (or used to, think he works on CR stuff now). ElliotRyo is his Twitch channel name. He played Star Ocean V when it released, played natsuiro highschool some, and Project Diva Future Tone most recently.

>>143356621
Are autistic or something anon?

>>143356743
What do you think?

>>143356583
I know of "xiei" (can't post twitch link because of spam filter, but that's what you'd type in at the end of the twitch address).
Haven't really watched him since he stopped doing Blazblue, but he has quite a few Japanese game streams.

>>143356621
this was a pretty good read actually. i'm gonna try to put more focus on listening now

おまんこがすいたおにいちゃん

>>143357288
Just don't let it take away from reading practice. Listening might be important, but gaining ground in the structure and usage of the language from reading is just so easy that it's not even funny. The only horrible problem I could see is if you intentionally ignore word readings and don't expose yourself enough to them.

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Dear djt, I come bearing gifts. I have a Japanese 1 class and I realized this book was not available to pirate. It is very common for a lot of community college courses in California. It's a shame it hasn't been scanned in over 18 years. So I bring this to you.

>Yoosoko! Book 1: An Invitation to Contemparay Japanese, Third Edition
>ISBN; 0072408154
Scanned by seafour.club

http://www.mediafire.com/download/41otvgsq9gj6dmo

Feel free to do whatever you want this book pdf.

>>143356583
As this guy said >>143357089

Xiei plays Kancolle and Granblue (JP ver.). I haven't watched him in awhile, but I remember he would summarize story events.

>>143357485
感謝

>>143357485
ありがとうございます
君は本当の人間豆です

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So after months of not progressing through Tae Kim and just doing anki I tried going back again and flew through more than half of the verb section in the complete japanese guide. I understand it now and it feels いい
I'm going to go back and do もっと
Knowing most of the vocab helps immensely

>>143357974
Wow anon, at this rate you'll be a beginner in no time.

>>143357974
>complete guide
funnily enough it's not actually complete
use the grammar guide instead

>>143357974
Ganbatte

>>143357485
I remember that my library has a newer edition but now I already would never be allowed in so thanks a lot for this

>>143357485
some of the chapters are paged wrong, chap 1 part 2 points to chap 1 part 1 instead

anyone want to fix it up so the ripper doesn't have to bother himself again?

How do you 'decode' slurred speech?
Sometimes it's more obvious, sometimes much less so. How do you approach that?

>>143358419
you don't
just learn japanese

>>143358459
出来ない, but will try.

>>143357485
This is a 548-page book and it doesn't even teach passive or causative form until the next volume. It also only teaches 170 kanji. College courses actually spend 3 semesters on this shit.

>>143358558
It's not a language book

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>>143358558
Holy shit, seriously?
>People pay for this
But hey, at least it looks good on paper.

what are the contemporary names that the japanese society is using for their newborns?

>>143356583
I saw an american guy on youtube who played Japanese games with a qt who couldn't speak english.

俺はｄｊｔの一番強い番長だぞ

>>143358610
I bought a book that only teaches you Hiragana on 300pages.
It even teaches you vocabulary written in romaji.
Yes it's that bad.

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>>143359036
Wow, that's not just bad. That's horrible.
How did they even fill 300 pages?

>>143359122
Detailed etymology of every single character dating back to old Chinese

>>143358558
>scroll five hundred pages in
>このペンは書きやすいです。
nice

>>143359036
Tricking people into buying it, hm.
Making people think they're inadequate after using the book to study, so they might end up buying more books to see if it's their fault.

>>143359186
Sounds interesting. If you're not joking, then could you give the title?

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>>143359197

>>143359186
That sounds kinda useless...
Unless it's intended for especially interested people and not new learners that is

>>143359122
Useless shit, you memorize phrases to say certain things and it doesn't even explain the words you are using in said phrase.
Also like I said romaji grammar.

>>143359197
Correct, you learn Katakana in the next book and start with Kanji in the third one.

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>>143357606
>>143357612
No problem.

>>143358066
There is no newer edition. It hasn't been updated in 10 years.

>>143358349
A small mistake. I'll fix it later at home.

>>143358558
I've heard other people mention it is shit. And from class I can tell. But what are we to do about it.
>tfw trying to shill for http://www.seafour.club

>>143357485
Don't listen to this guy, I actually own this book and tried to use it to learn jap before getting serious and coming to /djt/, and it was complete garbage. The only thing it really taught me was the kana and some other basic shit, before a bizarre difficulty spike that just made me shift to other resources instead.

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>>143359548
I never claimed it was good. It is a required course material, Gosh.

do your classmates give a shit about learning?

>>143359548
No shit. It's not a language book, duh.

>>143359717
>namefag
>anime_girl_angry_braid_character
are you being serious right now

Give the "Yookoso!" anon a break, it's not about people using it as the ultimate learning resource, it's more about saving money if you already fucked up and got enrolled into college classes. Nothing stops him from using better resources.

>>143359717
>namefagging

Stop.

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>嶋
>島

>>143360256
嶌

>>143359789
>yes
>I am not on my personal computer. Pulling the images I would normally use off the web.

>>143360247
>Stop.
Come say Hi on seafour and I will

What's the most common reading of 畑, はた or はたけ？ I fucking hate this shit where there's a word that means the same thing with the same kanji with two different readings

What are djt's thoughts on nihongonomori?

>>143359717
Taiga is cute with braids.

>>143360524
Kento is pretty charismatic.
His N3 lessons have good pacing and explanations, at least for me.

>>143360466
It's almost always はたけ.

/djt/は、何を勉強してるか？
>>143354014
嘘だ。外人が日本語を習ってできないよ。
I took a break from production and I'm majorly regretting it now. This is part of my practice.

>>143357485
>adverbial に and conditional たら in the last chapter
oh well

>>143357485
I used this book when I was taking classes here in Ohio. Not sure why it seems to be preferred over Genki in academia.
The ordering is a bit weird, but I felt it did an OK job of explaining things.

>>143360830
>Not sure why it seems to be preferred over Genki in academia.
Textbook cartel.

>>143360871
>textbook cartel
If only this was a meme.

>>143360524
They're pretty good I guess. It really cleared my doubts about the とたん and ばかり usage with their skit I saw some time ago.

>>143360999
I know. That's why it's sad.

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>>143360669
>嘘だ。外人が日本語を習ってできないよ。
そんな事はあなたの事柄だぞ。僕の前にあなたを刺されるここからいけぞ!!

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>>143361097
i have no idea what the fuck i just typed please no bully

What does this mean?
ここもたぶんそのくらい！

>>143362581
ここ　も　たぶん　その　くらい！
There, too, probably your darkness!

Now learn japanese so you can tell which word I replaced with a troll word.

日本語を、さらにむこうへ！
プルスウルトラ

>>143362637
その = that
I got that gist, but I couldn't figure out its meaning in context.

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>>143353903

>>143363200
yeah come back in a hundred years and maybe then you'll be able to type くらい into the jisho search bar and answer your own questions

yuki-n____i has the 新日本語 textbooks but their mainbooks are in full japanese and it doesn't have the english sidebook to the first one, only the second one.

I keep checking the Zero no Tsukaima translation when I can't figure out a line. I hate it but I can't stop myself. Reading something that has a translation just isn't the same.

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>>143364308

>>143364121
Inb4 all the parts you don't understand, the translator didn't understand either and just made up random shit

>>143364308
Not him but if you can read the raws there's no reason you'd want to enjoy a novel series through stilted translations.

>>143364870
Not only do you not have any reading comprehension you're also a shitposter.
Fuck off already.

>>143364308
he didn't even imply that let alone say it

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>>143365077
Someone needs to take a break from the internet. You're starting to break down.

>>143365144
This

>>143365113
>He did in the first 3 seconds of his post.
You mean that part where he said he kept checking out a translation for help?

この話どうでもいいからもっと俺のことほめてよ

>>143365276
You are not making any sense.

>>143365276
>Why do you need to confirm this if you can read English? Just start counting seconds like this 1 2 3 and reading at the same time.
>Just fuck off already.
Why would I fuck off? You're accusing him of saying something he didn't say. He didn't say that reading untranslated stuff was for plebs.

>>143365362
He probably has some kind of mental illness. Let's just stop responding to him.

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>>143365323
先輩格好いい！抱いて！

>>143365276
The poster who triggered you wasn't lauding his ability to read untranslated LNs over you, he was simply expressing frustration over his bad habit of constantly checking the translation of his (translated) LN.
He mentioned untranslated LNs because, obviously, you don't have the option of checking a translation to make sure you're interpreting them correctly. That's why they're different from translated LNs.

>>143365442
>Care to explain where exactly I'm not making any sense?

see
>>143365477

>>143365543
He reads translated VNs though.

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>>143365403
我が可愛い後輩にそんなに必死に聞かれたら断るわけにはいかないな
手加減はしねえぞ

>>143365477
Yes, this is what I meant.

>>143365660
He reads untranslated LNs though.

Learn to report and ignore you retards

>>143365543
Is the DJT really the right place to be triggered by people reading original Japanese stuff? Did you try applying for autismbucks? How old are you?

>socrates is trolling another wannabe trollbaiter again
ohboy

>>143365736
>Huh? You just contradicted yourself in this post (idk how to link on this site)
Nah man, VNs aren't LNs.

>>143365784
Fuck you. I'm going to write-in sanders.

>>143365784
>/pol/ here
>>>/pol/

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>>143365640
せ-先輩…

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>>143365736
It stops being funny when you go too far, don't go too far.

>>143365825
I'm trilingual though. I speak cherokee and algonquian.

>>143365929
>EOP means a person who doesn't know Japanese
Nah, pretty sure it means english-only-pleb.

Do you guys not see? Do you not understand? This is the ultimate idiot-straightman comedy the world has ever seen. This is levels beyond the horrible LOUD VOICES comedy used by japanese TV. This beyond the comedy of classical greek tropistry. This is even further beyond than the comedic genius that is 4chan itself. This is comedy nihonium.

>>143365996
the fuck is a tropistry

>>143366041
trope+ist+ry

>>143366089
Algonquian is japanese though. They even came from japan.

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>>143365844

>>143366165
Japanese aren't white though.

>>143366202
They are Aryan enough, how else I am going to justify my wanton consumption of their escapist industry?

>>143366369
India is the most aryan living place on earth. They mostly speak indo-aryan languages.

What words did you learn today?

>ぐうの音も出ない
>鼻っ柱
>引く手あまた

Is there a rip of the Japanese: The Spoken Language series?

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help guys, can't scan or discern this one.

is it old people dialect by any chance?

>>143366556
増速

>>143366952
農

>>143366952
yes, 儂
just draw it in google next time you useless fuck

>>143366952
it's agriculture plus person radical
農

>>143366952
膿

>>143366952
means farmer

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What do you guys to help remember kanji? Every time a kanji comes up that i can't remember I will often forget it again after a few reviews after. It doesn't help when the radicals don't help me out. God, my memory is so shit.

>>143367075
farmer is 農人

>>143367228
Think about what words it's used in, what the radicals means, if they make any sense (議=言+義 which in turn is　我+羊) then just make up some story or mental image for it.
Taking 30 sec to think about stuff like this instead of just pressing "again" really helps.

>>143367228
write it till exhaustion

>>143367008
how can I draw in Google senpai desu ?

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>have the capability to study and read Japanese
>ADD is making it impossible to concentrate on tasks
When people with this problem get like this what do they do to calm it down? My brain is jumping around like crazy.

>>143367584
There are meds for that

>>143367584
search for asdf on youtube

>>143367584
take stimulants

caffeine works if you don'thave a tolerance, but if you do, try to get ritalin. it has a longer half-life than adderall and is not neurotoxic (adderall is neurotoxic to people who don't have classical OCD) plus it invokes less euphoria so you're not likely to get emotionally addicted

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>>143367615
Anything besides drugging myself up?

>5+ anime a day
>still not fluent

>>143355667
lower new cards and set the limit to 100. Raise or eliminate as you feel comfortable.

>>143367363
thanks for the advice
>>143367375
i'd like to avoid this as much as i can because i haven't written anything japanese just yet. thanks

>>143367228
Why don't radicals help? Are you not using any mnemonics?

what's a good DPI for scanning books

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>>143367664
Yeah, adderall didn't work for me but I hear that people have to take different medications to see what works for them. I hate to have to go back to drugs though.

Look who uploaded something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91iFRUq1BfQ

>>143367791
DPI is a printing term, printer heads use dots
screens use pixels, its PPI

at point blank, the ideal viewing is around 300 PPI and decreases with distance, as your angle of vision narrows

>っつーのに at the end of a sentence

What is this sland for?

>>143367834
Never tried adderall. The thing about ritalin for me is that the effects stick for days as long as I stay on the dosage. I get a little high sure, but even off it, doing things is /so much more unpleasant/ than it was before I started taking medication. I don't get a sense of eldrich dread every time my short term memory evaporates, and draining my mental resources doesn't make me die

>>143367892
I'm scanning. Scanning converts physical analog data to digital. Analog-digital resolution ratio is measured in DPI.

>>143367931
What's the sentence? the のに part is probably simple though.

>>143365844
Is she really named after a work truck

>>143367960
>I'm scanning
i know what you're doing retard.. fuck it i give up

>>143367960

Well the のに is just のに yeah. I've seen it in a few places, clearly shorthand for something just not sure. E.g. "アメリカ・イギリスでも小説は原題通りで発売されてるっつーのに" in the context of All you need is kill being sold under the Jap Engrish title overseas.

>>143367960
>I'm scanning. Scanning converts physical analog data to digital. Analog-digital resolution ratio is measured in DPI.
this is even true of mice

people try to be pedantic and say it should be CPI, and the DPI should refer to the sensor array's physical size

but that's false

the sensor should definitely be called CPI because it's not subject to optical magnification from the lense that ports the tracking surface onto said sensor

the sensor internally intercorrelates different frames of sensor data into an arbitrary resolution

the DPI of a mouse is whatever the eventual analog-digital conversion ratio is.

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>>143367960
Do you get it from a doctor or some other source?

>>143367584
Talk with a doctor/psychologist and explain, he or she will probably give better advice than us.

>>143368137
のに is basically try things

>>143368172
I have a diagnosis so I have a script. I have safety net insurance so the copay for generics is very cheap. The only problem if you have to avoid making it sound like you're looking for medication if you go to get an ADHD diagnosis, because ritalin and adderall are controlled substances: ritalin can be used to make methamphetamine (crystal meth) and adderall is the college student's favorite drug. (In fact, I have out-of-town doctors because my town is full of druggies who trade their scripts with dealers, so getting medicated for any real problem I have if I'm not upper-middle-class is really hard if I stay in-town)

>>143368268
>>のに is basically try things
oops
のに is basically two things: の, the most common and flexible particle, and に, an adverbial particle.

のに is basically "even though" or variations on it depending on the context

>>143368268
>>143368331

Yeah I get のに, wondering more what っつー is representing, I just usually see it together with のに as one phrase is all.

>>143368268
>adderall is the college student's favorite drug
I think this is how my psychiatrist saw me when I went to get help years ago. She gave me the prescription really easily and didn't seem to care about getting to know me. When I remember that it makes me not want to try and get help again so I can avoid the looks of contempt.

>>143368438
Oh, I see what you're asking. Sorry, I inserted something when I read your post that wasn't there. I think it's basically just a colloquial reference marking thing, I mentally delete it when I read forum posts and stuff.

>>143368457
I went for my literal autism and the ADHD diagnosis was a bonus.

Psychiatrists are easy. Their job is to get people on drugs. Neuropsyches are better for other things like documentation.

>>143368457
>>143368538
I'd go around and look for a different psych then.

>女三人寄れば姦しい
wow das sexist

>>143367584
kill
self
stream

>>143368765
>three women make rape
I do not understand.

should i swap from toslink into onboard to RCA -> 3.5mm onboard, my amp has about a 1 second delay that covers the initial anki reading on anything but PCM input
shits me to tears

練習人です
Now that realkana is cancer, what anki kana decks should I recommend off-thread newfags to the language?

>>143368865
>my amp has about a 1 second delay
*pukes*

>>143367726
>頑 stubborn, foolish, firmly

元: beginning; former time; origin
頁: page; leaf

I don't know how these radicals relate to kanji at all. this is just one example i can remember right now.

I don't feel like using mneomics because thats a whole another thing to remember too. 20 new kanji per day and I got to remember stories for each of them? jesus.

>>143368838
Rude.

>>143367931
It's a very colloquial 「っていうのに」

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まだ

>>143369041
The stubborn old man was still stuck at the BEGINNING or the PAGE, but he wouldn't admit he didn't know how to read.

You don't need mnemonics for every kanji, just ones you have trouble with.

>>143369257
>は

>>143369041
nigga the mnemonics are supposed to make short term retention easy. That's literally why every method for kanji emphasizes radicals and mnemonics.

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>>143369041
Just learn the mneomics. The kanji and the mneomic are the same thing. If you can remember the mneomic, you can remember the kanji. If you can't remember what it looks like then do production. With time you won't need the mneomics anymore.

ひらがなはかわいい！
ぶっころし！
いすらみっくすてーと
ばいおれんす

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I'm getting this error when trying to import vocab with rikaisama.
Has anyone else had this problem?

>>143369149
Ohhh, I should've been able to guess that...

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>check out my economic climate

>>143369552
?

>search for images of any common word that shares a name with a character or show
>bunch of anime girls in underwear show up

I appreciate the sentiment but I really don't need any more distractions. Is there a different engine I can use to get different results? It's like searching for twilight images in english jesus fuck.

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the women in core reads this line with such petulance, so good

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Dear guide maintainer people,
Last week or something, one of you asked in the thread what to do about that qt-related comment on the resources page. I replied that I would be reinstalling my OS next week and planned on installing KDE (which uses qt) as my DE, at which time I would play around with things and update the instructions if necessary.

Well, about that... It's not happening. The reinstall turned out to be a disaster. I was so pre-occupied with making sure I had backed all my files up that I forgot to check that the USB installation media I created actually worked... and for whatever reason it didn't. And by the time I found that out, I had already formatted my hard drive. That was 2 days ago.

After suffering from severe internet withdrawal symptoms, I was just desperate to get my computer working again, so after managing to get hold of a working installation media I ended up just installing the DE I was familiar with instead since I know my way around it and could most likely solve any problems I might encounter.

I MIGHT, now that I have a working installation media, redo it in a few days and actually install KDE this time as I had intended, but don't bet on it. After having a bricked computer for 2 days, honestly I'm quite content with just using what I'm familiar with.

>駅前 is a word learned by itself in Core 6k

トップケク

Why do I even browse these threads anymore? You only recommend trash.

Why has this "Kana Teacher" site replaced Real Kana in the guide?

>>143370607
Why don't you come over here and browse my chinpo in your ushiro

>>143370278
I think the post is pretty clear unless you're too new to 4chan to understand what greentext means

KEKって高エネルギー加速器研究機構なんだよなぁ

>>143370278
He's implying at how new he is in Japanese. Just ignore him.

>>143370882
それどうみてもKEKKKだろ

>>143370913
You should review your genki

>>143370607
That's a word you moron. Ask a jap native about it.

>>143370913
Ik. No need to tell me.

>>143370765
I just checked and it has also replaced it on the resources page. I'd understand if it had just been added to the resources page, but it has actually completely replaced Real Kana on the resources page.

What gives? I've never even heard of this site before, and there seems to be no mention of it in the archive either, so it seems strange.

>>143370913
>>143371023
Sorry bro I've been on the internet long enough that you aren't gonna trick me into searching through your textbook for you that way.

大蔵省 doesn't exist anymore. It's unlikely that anyone under the age of 28 even knows what it is, although they could probably guess the meaning.

There's no reason for it to be in core 6k.

>>143370882
このミームはSERNの策略だ！

>>143370765
>>143371047
Oh wait, nevermind. I tried searching in the archive for "kanateacher" instead of "kana teacher" and found the answer. Whoever owns the Real Kana site apparently won't let you even use it now if you use an adblocker.

>>143371138
俺は間違う時代で生まれたから、習うよ

>>143371087
Sorry bro but I copied those sentences from the book this time.

>>143370991
i think you missed the point

>>143371138
I seem to remember reading that Core is based on newpapers from the 70s or 80s.

>>143371278
Enjoy your compelling content involving newspapers from 1995, because that's the only place you're going to see it.

>>143371364
クソガキを見つけた

>>143371300
Why would you lie on the internet

any evidence of writers making up kanji in their works?

>>143371394
貴様儂を侮辱するのか

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>>143371417

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>>143371417
I'm already taking your bait. ;)

>>143371603
I see you're too stupid to look at the 例

>>143371603
>>143371660
What book? Also I told you to ignore the faggot.

>>143371603
Also I seriously wonder what you think you're learning by writing a bunch of wrong sentences because you don't understand the exercises. Go read a VN or something.

Honesty, you people pretending to know Japanese because you mix a word or two of kanji in your English posts really annoy me.

I'm not saying don't try, because you'll never learn, but just substituting nouns for the sake of feeling accomplishment is totally 出来ない.

>出来ない
Is this the latest meme?

>>143371603
You missed the point of the exercise. Look at their example.
は was replaced by が for a reason.
Look at the first sentence you copied. Sticking わからない on the end of the first clause without replacing は with が sets up カワムラさん to be the subject of the verb わからない. I'm assuming that's not what you intended, since the example sentence definitely doesn't intend for that.

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>>143353903

How do you tell 起きる from 起きる?

>>143371861
it's not really fresh off the market to tell you the truth

>>143371847
quit trying to control my やり方, 相棒

>>143371861
The next meme will be 出来損ない

>>143371138
I agree Core6k isn't perfect. There are a handful of words that are outdated like 大蔵省 and 日ソ. There are some words that are obvious from the parts like 駅前 and words obvious from the English like ぱんだ.

Do you have a better solution? Another deck of common words which has audio, example sentences, optimised ordering and succinct, quality definitions? Because if not, Core6k is still your best way of easily getting a solid vocab foundation as a beginner in Japanese. And I still fully recommend it.

>>143372015
Oh, I'm not calling it shit - obviously I'm using it enough to get this far.

Just warning others not to waste their time, because it's one of those political words you're better off just deleting unless you somehow want to become a Japanese national.

>>143371802
>>143371869
:)

>>143372060
Even though you got someone to spoonfeed you you're still better off just reading. Next time I won't bother pointing out your mistake though since you'll just go full Dunning Kruger again

>>143372015
Someone with some programming know-how could probably make a script to automate the process of adding audio from Core2K/6K deck to the Anon Core deck (where possible), though I think the particles and stuff should be stripped from that before anyone uses it, less they be misled into thinking particles = words with simple English equivalents.

>>143372015
>audio
unimportant for this ez language
>optimised ordering
my ass
>succinct, quality definitions
yeah because i for sure know what 段階 and 作業 mean from those crystal clear one-word definitions it gave me

don't kid yourself core2k/6k is useless and manages to be inferior even to anon core 5k, and you're the last person anyone wants a recommendation from

dance the anki dance all you want but i'll learn more than you just sitting here and reading a book, using a dictionary like a rational human being

>>143372057
anon core guy here. I have making a "redux" version that isn't intended to be a faithful rip of the dictionary on my backburner, but I need a lot of instruction as to what people actually want out of a vocab deck if I'm going to make it a higher priority. I do have to study japanese myself, after all.

>>143372527
Meant to respond to >>143372318

>>143372372
If you're starting from 60%, your way is better, but if you're starting from 0, then anki is a good way to build a foundation to aid self-study later. It shouldn't be seen as the actual way to lean, but a tool to utilize for what you're lacking in, and a way to add structure/focus that most self-study'ers lack.

>>143372527
Tbh I haven't even checked out anon core; I might because I feel after 2k, core has diminished returns.

>>143372609
I'd make a priority to mine words that are in anon core 5k over words that aren't, even if you don't plan on using the deck. A Frequency Dictionary of Japanese is probably the only somewhat reasonable frequency sampling of the language, everything else I've seen (especially core, and the other unrelated free stuff on the web) uses either highly biased print source corpus or highly unmoderated/unfiltered internet corpus. It's not perfect, of course, and it cuts itself off at 5k words, but it's definitely not misleading.

>>143372160
Spoonfeed? Sorry bro but you must've mistaken. I ignored your wrong posts, and I had my jap friend rechecked my answers and he said there was no problem with the particles.

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>>143372527
Speaking of which, what the hell do I do about this? Core does this too, right?

Can someone recommend me some romcom tier LNs?
I don't want to read 僕は友達が少ない or 冴えない彼女の育てかた

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>>143372770
lol

>>143372925
jintai

whoever the faggot was that posted いただきます as rub a dub dub thanks for the grub, everytime i hear it now you fucker

>>143372770
Why post here when you have a native who can help you?

>>143373012
he likes getting replies

works every time

>>143372770
You should give up on Japanese since there's no hope for you, and focus on learning English.

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>>143373010
どう致しまして

>>143373012
I just want to compare opinions and answers not just in djt but other sites like lang-8. I also have another jap friend back in hs just to make sure if the answer from my jap friend from uni coincide.

>>143373134
something's fishy here
why aren't you just talking to them and reading books instead of doing garbo textbook exercises

>>143373173
Why are you believing anything he says given what has happened so far.

I'm going on vacation for a week - how can I adjust my settings so I'm not fucked with 1,500 reviews by the time I come back?

>>143373173
Not him, but I live in Japan yet still post in these threads.

Annoying someone just because they exist and you want to use them as a resource is kinda... shitty.

>>143373173
I study on the textbook for 3 hours. I don't spend much of my study time on this thread unless if I'm reading my replies.

>>143373278
It is, I need it because I want to learn jap. They're the same because they want to learn English. Give and take.

>>143373278
posting in these threads 正直 has nothing to do with learning japanese

anyway if they're really his friends i don't see what's wrong with annoying them a little

>>143373636
In fact they appreciate it, and I don't care if they annoy me with English questions.

>>143373825
They obviously don't appreciate it that much if they're giving you bad advice

>>143373278
>living in japan
I don't believe you

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おはよう

えいごおしえておにいちゃん

>えいこくには期待できない
>We can't _______ UK.

expect は t.verb でつかうとexpect toじゃなくてexpectでいいのかな

favorable をつかうなら adjective だから
>UK isn't favorable _____.
のかたちでいいの？ country とか nation をいれてもnonsenceなの？

I'm just going to vent. This is the second time I'm trying to do this. Every day, and I'm still a retard who can barely remember the basic hiragana to pronounce the new vocab in 2k/6k, let alone remember what it means the next day.

Not really looking much for in advice, I already know that I just have to stick with it every day, and just keep practicing until my lizard brain finally clicks with it. And yes, when I use flashcard I say the pronunciation, then what it means, than try to repeat after the speaker. I'm just slow, it takes me hours to do just a dozen plus words. It's probably get better, someday.

>>143374352
expect much from

expectだけじゃ「推量」という意味になってるからexpect X(noun) to Y(verb)の形で使うよ

後半に関してはなにがいいたいのか不明すぎて答えることができないけど
favorableも慣用的な使いかたが多いと思うので
UK isn't favorableはおそらく間違ってる
favorableは大体予報などに使う
favorable conditionsとか

Is it possible/practical to learn basic conversational Japanese without learning the entire writing system?

Long story short: I have many Japanese friends so I know a ton of vocabulary, but I never learned enough grammar to hold much of a conversation.

I want to be able to use my vocabulary, but I find that learning a new alphabet is too much.
Learning Arabic script hurt my memory of higher-level English, and I need that at my job.

Is it worthwhile to try? Or is the writing system necessary?

>>143367851
>only knows 400 kanji
why would anyone learn Japanese from this clown?

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>>143374477
これをankiしたらいいのかな
>We can't expect much from UK.

辞書で期待をひいたの

favorableって出てきて、なんか見た目がかわいくてつかってみたかったの

予報につかうね。ありがとうおにいちゃん

>>143374621
>Learning Arabic script hurt my memory of higher-level English
do you have a learning disorder? how does your memory weaken from doing more memorization?

anyway of course you can learn a language without reading it. it'll probably be pointlessly more difficult, and you'll need some people really willing to waste their time on you, but there's no reason you can't learn "basic conversational japanese" just from interacting with japanese people. you'll just be conversational but illiterate

>>143371248
What? I can still bring it up fine.

>>143374781
>予報につかうね
ごめん、それ違うかも
でもなにか有利であると予測する時に使う

>>143374788

>do you have a learning disorder? how does your memory weaken from doing more memorization?

No.
My memory improves just like anyone else, but I simply have to remember far too much in far too little time, mostly due to the nature of my work. I need to quickly and efficiently recall things I might not have thought about in years.

>pointlessly more difficult

Would learning the most basic script (or two) surmount this difficulty?

>>143374352
>>143374781
>expect は t.verb でつかうとexpect toじゃなくてexpectでいいのかな
Transitive vs intransitive means, intransitive verbs can't use a direct object. Direct object in japanese is を. There are no other restrictions. You can use most transitive verbs like they are intransitive verbs.

>えいこくには期待できない

>For the UK we can't expect. [悪]
Literally correct translation, but bad english.

>For the UK we can't expect much.
>For the UK expectations are poor.
>For the UK we have bad expectations.
>There's no hope for the UK.
Better, but each changes the original in some way.

>UK isn't favorable _____.
UK is a union, "sovereign state", country, and nation. Emphasis influences the choice of words.
But Scotland, which is inside the UK, is also a country and a nation.

>>143374781
UKはUnited Kingdomの略で、そのkingdomは唯一のものであるのでtheを前に付けなければいけない
>We can't expect much from the UK.

favorableのニュアンスについて、このサイトが役に立つかもしれない
http://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=favorable

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>>143374781
>favorable
可愛がられられる

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>>143375030
no hope ってなんかえいごでいいかんじなのかな

ようがによくでてくるきがするよ

>>143375393
favor っておんなことばだよね？

>>143374250
Becoming an ABC song singing monkey that people pay to watch their kids for a few hours isn't that difficult, nor is it a dream.

Living here is cheaper than visiting here - once you're over, it's easy to stay. Not really a big deal at all.

>>143374781
>>143375261
言い忘れたこと

expect fromには「何かを期待する」というニュアンスがある
「何の期待もできない」を英訳するとcan't expect anything fromになる
それはたぶん「期待できない」と同じだとおもう
ただ「将来が良さそうではない」と言いたいならThe UK doesn't [look/seem] favorableとも言うことがある
それともThe UK's future doesn't look favorable
そこでfavorableをgoodに替えると意味は全く変わらないとおもう

>>143375508
女ことばなんて存在してないよ
女でも男でも王様でもガキでも話し方はあんまり変わらない
英語はつまんないよね

>>143375508
no hopeは絶望的な表現
おんなことばってなんなんでしょうね

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>>143375731
>Would you do me a favor (that)~

のかたちはおんなのひとがつかうのが好ましい

ってもののほんに書いてあったおぼえがあるんけど

きおくちがいかな？

>>143375832
それは英語の丁寧語みたいな言い方だからです
男も言うけどほどほどに

What the fuck is up with all those funny little drawings in posts, is this a new meme?

>>143376093
They're a writing system adopted from China.

>>143375508
>favor っておんなことばだよね？
英語には「おんなことば」はただ小さい感じがある
でも、もしかして発声の風んだったらいいだろう（←あたし、正しい日本語つかう？）
それより4chanには悪い冗談のためにspoiler textが使われる
>>143375832
favorの意味は多い
favorって恩
favorって好意
favorって賛成
favorって可愛がる
など
全くこれらの意味からfavorの活用の~able(双方の可能形と受身形)は知らなくてもいい
動詞とか名詞とか
なんでもない
英語が抑制できない

>>143376351
>それより4chanには悪い冗談のためにspoiler textが使われる
おっと
それより4chanには悪い冗談のためにspoiler textが使われる

Eigo tte zurui yona

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>>143376375
spoiler text

>>143376351
>双方の可能形と受身形
同時に可能形と受身形か

>>143375832
あなたはどんな本に書いてを覚えているかしら？
わたしは日本で作った英語の教科書を信頼しないほうがいいと思いますわ

>>143376484
capable or worthy of being acted upon

>>143369552
You can't learn Japanese.

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Do you think it's possible I can get to a level where I can take uni classes in Japanese in a year and a half?? Pic related is my jcat score after a year of learning. I don't think I'd be comfortable taking a class in full Japanese right now.

>>143377705
yes

get studying

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How come DJT threads are allowed on /a/ ?

Shouldn't it be posted on /jp/?

It's not anime or manga. /jp/ is all about Otaku culture so threads made to improve your Japanese should be moved there instead of having threads made here.

>Inb4 someone spergs and says that the Japanese language is anime and manga related

That is besides the point. This board is only meant for anime and manga MEDIA, not helping teach others to read or watch it.
Why have a board like /jp/ when we don't even use it right?

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>>143377705
A whole year and your score is that low? 笑わせるな

>>143377917
Try not being new.

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>>143377917

>>143377917
自閉症児発見

>>143377917
what are you talking about i read anime books all the time

>>143377917
How new are you? You should lurk moar before posting here. sage

>あの馬鹿！俺はいい迷惑しているとういうのに

The context heavily implies the 馬鹿 is the one causing the いい迷惑 so why is it "俺は" instead of "あの人に" or something?

>>143378068
noob here but rikai says いい迷惑 can mean 'being inconvenienced' by that 馬鹿

whoever was it that recommended learning old chinese to understand kanji
fuck you
this language sounds like some Australian abomination

>>143377917
/a/ has more stupid people (I believe the ratio is like 98%) I guess this was the reasoning behind choosing the board

>my scanner only does 300dpi and 1200dpi

>>143377964
countersage

>>143378199
who are you quoting

>>143378283
>>>/jp/

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Hey guys, some anon gave us a download link to Anne of Green Gables.

>>143378382

>>143378158
Oh I can, thx fampai.

>>143378158
is my rikai retarded, it doesn't parse them together for me

>>143359546
>>143357485
How does this secret club work

>>143378642
https://github.com/LandonPowell/SeaFour

Interesting article I found while trying to look up why mangaka always mention questionnaires at the postscript

http://note.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/detail/n60883

Do you guys delete words from your mining deck when you've learnt them well enough that you'll probably never forget them?

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>>143376569
エレンせんせいはだめなの？

>>143378947
Why would you do this? You will at some point see them only once a year or even less

>>143378947
dont

>>143378981
Yeah I know but I figured it would still mean more exposure to the words that give me problems, even if it is just a few more times a year, I'm sure it would all adds up, especially when you have 11k mined words

>>143378947
There's no need, with a high enough limit it's only like 1 extra second spent on a card per year.

>>143378948
え　何言ったか　ふざけないで　あのビッチに興味があるわけ無いじゃん　そもそもオレらはロリコンだろう　何でババのことを言い出すんだ　このバカイモウトめ　許さないからね

私は"私"がよめる

>go through casual conversation section with easy vocabulary and grammar
>nice and chill, like reading a book in English
>plot and/or spiced up dialogue hits
>back to having to look shit up

>>143378947

That's what the easy button is for, anon.

And on the off chance that you were wrong, you'll know it in a few months.

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>>143379096

Is there any trick to know when a syllable is going to get rendakued?

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>>143379004

>>143379320
Yeah, reading for 3+ years

A friend of mine reccomended I read a novel called 空腹を満たしなさい but I can't find it on nyaa or anything. Any ideas? Maybe it just isn't popular enough to get a scan?

>>143379053
It wouldn't mean more exposure to other words unless you limit your daily amount of reps, and you really shouldn't.

>>143379320
What does that mean senpai

>>143379515
Buy it then, beggar.

>>143379571
I have no money. Will buy it as soon as I do though

>あなたも少しは止めろよ
Does this just mean 'cut it out' or something else? "も少しは止めろよ" seems to be an idiom from the amount of results on google but can't find any examples with english side-by-side to confirm its intent.

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>>143379320
れんだくは

ぜんぶ

Ankiするしか

ないっていわれてるよ

３０ｋくらいAnkiすればしぜんとなんとかかたちになってくるんじゃないかなあとおもうよ