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Show starts in 40 minutes

Streams:

http://vaughnlive.tv/wgg100

iPhone/Android:

https://streamup.com/wgg013
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>>143312010
>things won't get better
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>>143312091

Trunks lives for suffering.
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>>143312010
This Episode better have 10/10 Animation and Dialogue or else i'll drop this shit.
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Video servers are at capacity
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>>143312091
being trunks is suffering
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>>143312010
Goku getting blacked tonight.
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>>143312143
We know the animation goes down slightly for at least part of this episode, if not all of it. Going by the PV at least it looked slightly more off than last episode. But we also know they save the budget for the important ones now, like the fights.

Read the manga for most of it, watch the anime for the big fights, if that's all you care about.

Dialogue should be fine either way though.
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Are you ready for that one rope commercial?
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>>143312224
you wish
black is going to get a assbeating tonight
then he's going to retreat to get more power
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>>143312235
>Read the manga for most of it,
The manga so far sucks more than the anime though.
And there's quite a few differences between them.
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>>143312224
>that pic
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>>143312235
>Dialogue should be fine either way though.
Hell no the dialogue actually makes more sense in the Manga. For some reason Toei makes Goku act like Kid Goku levels of retarded unlike the manga were he acts like as his Buu Arc self.
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>>143312224
Man, Mirai Trunks cant catch a break now can he?
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>>143312297
Fuck Off animefag. Super is only decent if you read the Manga.
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Super was a mistake. An enjoyable mistake.
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>>143312235
Goku only looked off for a second there, it seems like it's someone new taking care of this episode though. I think it'll be fine, not exactly Episode 39 quality but decent enough to not be an Episode 5
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>>143312290
The summary for 50 says Goku realizes Black isn't taking him seriously and Beerus and Whis realize Black is wearing a Kaoshin time ring.
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>>143312311
>For some reason Toei makes Goku act like Kid Goku levels of retarded
That's because outside of fighting he is that retarded. It's literally the only thing he's really good at and it's always been that way.

Also the manga doesn't make him any smarter.
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Trunks needs a rest and another waifu
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>>143312368
>Also the manga doesn't make him any smarter.
In the Manga he actually behaves like an adult without asking stupid questions or looking retarded all the time
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>>143312363
I don't think it being off means its comparable to the worst episodes. It just means its a noticeable down turn from the previous episode.

I remember there was something about how the eyes were drawn in the PVs.
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>>143312429
How about you try reading the few parts outside of battles.
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>>143312367
Black confirmed for Goku Jr
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>>143312476
I just did and he acts like he always has in the Manga. Toei just makes him act more like a retard so kids can laugh at it
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>>143312367
The Super Dragon Ball Heroes PV is focused on this arc and shows Beerus and Whis watching Earth from orbit while Black blows shit up. Whis tells Beerus that humanity will be destroyed, but Beerus just sits there looking pissed off. Zeno tells them not to interfere? Or something else going on?
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>>143312568
I think it was said that Zeno would get involved in this arc. Beerus probably can't interfere.
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>>143312568
Thats a lie and you know it Spic
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>>143312429
>>143312546
>not stupid
They're rare because the manga skips a whole lot of shit to get to the fights but they are there.
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>>143312546
He's always been retarded. If you knew Japanese you would know that Goku has an extremely redneck dialect. The English dubbed completely changed his personality.
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>>143312534
>Goku Jr from another timeline where GT is canon
>Because something happened, he's come to hate Saiyans
>Goes to Trunks' timeline to be a dick
>Shit happens, SSJB Goku vs SSJ4 Black
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>>143312651
Yeah but in the anime he is extra stupid.
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What's with this history lesson on the stream? It's like a pol delight with swastikas and such.
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I can't get the stream to load
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>>143312625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxNsIiV39V0
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>>143312723
That's because the manga is skipping most of the shit to get to the fights
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>>143312723
READ THE MANGO
Even as adult he is pretty stupid.
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>>143312819
EU referendum.
It's been on the news literally world wide so of course they're going to have some history along with it.
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>>143312819

It's just talking about the EU since brexit happened, I liked the background music going on during the thing.
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>>143312224
You mean next week, Black is going to arrive at the end of the episode
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>>143312832
I love the Raditz tease at the end. Really hoping they'll give him Super Saiyan.
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>>143312865
But not pic related levels of stupid
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Whose the twitter account that does flyby translating of the episode?
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>>143312994
Well it's gotta be something big like that because he and his grape ape forms are both already in DBH.
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>>143313025
You sure?
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rope soon
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>>143313128
In the Anime he didn't even got a 50.
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>>143313093
And even in something like Heroes where powerlevels don't matter, he really needs some sort of boost to fit in with the God-level threats.
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>>143313025
Is it weird to anyone else to see DBZ characters using smartphones?
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>>143313158
Trunks is going to kill himself?
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>>143313025
Goku is just naive. He is pure of heart and don't like to follow social norms.
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>>143313160
50 was the cut off anon, he had to have gotten 50 at least.
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TIME FOR ROPE
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>>143313201

He's lost everyone. Even if he defeats Black there's nothing to go back to.
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ROPE
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>>143313201
>he doesn't know about the rope commercial
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Female saiyans when?
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>>143313128
>>143313224
Just face it. Toei makes Goku act more stupid than usual and you can tell by watching Z not only the Manga
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>>143313128

>goku is so dumb in the anime that chi chi has to give him a shopping list with drawings
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>>143312361

That's from the Fusions game.
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>>143313269
>and you can tell by watching
Fuck the anime, you filthy secondary.
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>>143313269
>Gets proven wrong
>N-no face it I'm right!
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>>143313269
WTF! That's hilarious. What's up kool kats, today's the day for DRAGON BALL SUPER!!!!!!!
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Starting
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>>143313267
>who is pan
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Stream's laggy as shit today.
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Holy crap, this stream is sputtering.
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>>143313267
She'll become canon soon.
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>>143313328
>Fuck the anime, you filthy secondary.
Are you dumb? I'm saying the Goku in the Manga is better than Goku in Super.
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Can someone post that twitter translation summary account?
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>>143313269
You can't just say
>NO HE'S SMARTER IN THE MANGA!
When you have proof otherwise.
I mean, those were literally basic grade school questions.

>>143313309
The only thing Goku can be called smart at is fighting because of his resourcefulness, outside of that he makes Homer Simpson look like a genius.
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>>143313365
She is only a quarter saiyan.
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>>143313343
You are obviously an Animefag. Ok lets leave it at that
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It's time.
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>>143313404
And we have manga pages saying other wise.
Where's your proof he isn't a complete retard.
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>>143313446
God Bless America :P
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Top kek.
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Based Bulma
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>Bulma literally slaps some sense into him
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Jesus Christ, I thought the stream froze then.
Who thought it was a good idea having Trunks face away while speaking?
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Todd Blankenship ‏@Herms98 now4 seconds ago

Trunks is naturally surprised that Goku is still alive. Trunks: "Didn't you die with Cell?" Goku: "Well, a lot happened since then."
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>>143313269
It's good to see that Lazerbot got hired by Toei. He really was working hard on improving his art, and he finally gets to show it off to the world.
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>>143313462
I'm not gonna wste my time in looking for that when you can easily do it by yourself. Just read the Manga and see how Goku acts in Super Anime. You'll see the difference.
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Are they finally explaining the fucking hair color?
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FT is gonna bag that loli
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Trunks wants the loli Mai.
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>>143313631
Gonna need a webm
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>>143313623
And really, who doesn't?
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>>143313611
Their hair is the same color in-universe.
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This fucking lag. I hope this thing is uploaded asap.
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he wants that loli ass
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Her tits this episode
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>>143313604
Burden of proof is on you anon.
I've already got mine, where's yours?
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>>143313611
Nah they just retcon it
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>>143313652
What
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This lag is like playing Smash Brothers Brawl Online
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Todd Blankenship ‏@Herms98 now27 seconds ago

Whis explains the butterfly effect for everyone. "That's why only gods are allowed to time travel"
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So this is alternate future trunks?
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Come on Black come to the current timeline already
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>>143313731
>it ain't gonna suck itself
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>>143313736
No it's the same one.
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>>143313736

Trunks from Cell games.
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>>143313570

why dont u stream selfish fuck
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>>143313736
Yes. It is the same Trunks from the Cell games.
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i think they make future trunks hair blue because kid trunks hair is light purple and they didnt want to have too much purple mucking up the screen
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This shit is as light hearted as ever. I was a fool to expect this arc to be different
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Trunks a pedo.
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Jesus, DAIGO is in fucking everything these days.
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Shit episode, as usual.
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So does she actually remember the Pilaf Gang or what?
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>>143313731
And here i thought this arc would be more serious.
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>>143313845
Fuck off then you fucking retard
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>>143313845
>expecting seriousness in dragonball 2.0
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>>143313843
it's because purple ink is expensive
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Where is the edge?
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>Future Trunks fought Babidi
MY DICK
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HOLY SHIT

MAJIN BOO SAGA IN FUTURE TRUNKS TIMELINE
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>>143313923
>Defeated Buu
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So Buu did come in the future.
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If nothing great happens this episode i'm dropping it for good
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See Trunks doesn't fuck about
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Any other streams?
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>>143313623
So he's gonna take her home?
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DABURA FUCKING REKT
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TRUNKS FUCKING SOLO'D THE BUU ARC
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Todd Blankenship ‏@Herms98 7s8 seconds ago

Future Trunks trained with Kaioshin, enabling him to beat Dabra
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>Trunks defeated Dabura
HOLY SHIT
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Wait, so Trunks killed Babidi before Buu was revived?
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well good thing he didn't let them be powerful
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DAT QUALITY at FTrunks vs Dabura battle.

it's just one dissapointment after another....
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FUTURE TRUNKS DID WHAT GOHAN COULDNT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

GOHANFAGS BTFO!!!
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>>143313979
Yep.
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>>143313979
Yes
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>>143313979
Yes
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>>143313974
To be fair, Debura wasn't that hard, Gohan was just weak af because no training
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>>143313950
Based Trunks.
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Raws fucking where motherfucker???????
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>>143314000
It's just Debura, that's not that impressive.
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>>143313979
Yeah he just fucked up Babadi and Dabura when they came looking for energy.
Instead of Supreme Kai's retarded plan of letting them steal a shitload of energy from Gohan, and then going into the energy draining with goku and vegeta.
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Todd Blankenship ‏@Herms98 1m1 minute ago

Trunks says the new enemy calls himself "Son Goku". "Goku Black" is simply a name Future Bulma coined for clarity's sake
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>>143314019
>Debura wasn't that hard
He was Perfect Cell level or greater.
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>>143314019
Dabura is stronger than SPC
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So trunks> perfect cell at least
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good thing he fuck them up
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>>143314047

Also, Bulma says that Goku Black is a stupid name.
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I just want to fucking watch this without this lag, goddamn.
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>>143314042
>it's just Dabura

Yeah, the guy that Gohan jobbed to.
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>>143314019
Dabura was literally same/stronger as Super Perfect Cell
Trunks confirmed for DA MAN
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>>143314044
Future Trunks confirmed again for smarter than the whole cast of Z after Cell Saga.
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>>143314044
Supreme kai is such a fucking moron holy shit. Fuck that piece of trash.
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>>143314051
>Perfect
You mean Super Perfect. Not like it matters as Super Perfect got beaten by SSJ2 Gohan at half power.
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>>143313979
Funny thing, Dabura & Babidi wouldn't have too much reason to return unless Earth's truly the only energy rich planet there. They would have gotten Buu from Earth & left given how desolate the place was. 3 years isn't enough time to repopulate a planet.
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Man, Beerus sure loves wieners
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>Trunks kept training unlike that faggot Gohan
>kept his gains and surpassed Cell level
>still trash to Black
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>>143314083
Ya, but the only reason Trunks beat Debara was because he trained with Supreme Kai, Gohan didn't get to do that when he fought Debara
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>SSJ2

SSJ2

SSJ2

SSJ2

SSJ FUCKING TWO
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Trunks SSJ2 confirmed.
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>>143314108
Wasn't Buu's egg on Earth?
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SSJ2 Trunks confirmed
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Super Saiyan 2!
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>>143314108
Maybe while they were there they sensed Trunks and thought "what the hell, while we're int he neighborhood"?
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SSJ2 TRUNKS!!!!
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Super Saiyafreeze frame on Goku laughing and lagging
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>>143314132
Gohan shouldnt have fucked off for 7 years.
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"WE WILL NEVER SEE SSJ2 AGAIN" FAGS BTFO
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Oh.

So there's the reason he defeated Dabura: he could go ssj2.
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>It's a Goku holds his power back episode
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>>143314137
>And he got it with no free power ups
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Trunks is in his 30s or late 20s confirmed? Some peope were saying Goku Black showed up as soon as he was done with the Cell Saga, that's obviously not true anymore.
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SSJ3 TRUNKS PLEASE
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Trunks kept his gains, so he can't really be blamed for failing to defend the future, Black is just too strong.
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if Trunks trained with Supreme Kai, how come he's not Mystic? Or is his blue hair his mystic form?
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>Trunks turns SSJ4
>GT is now canon
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>>143313968
i wonder if goten is gay
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>Bulma battle dome gets wrecked in it's first appearance
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Gohan looks worse every episode released
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>>143314197
He's in his mid 30s, he's 17 years older than when he was in Cell Saga.
He started Cell Saga at 17 but +2 years from Room of Spirit and Time so he's now 36.
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I can't wait until he actually shows off SSB to Trunks then
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Trunks says Black's got stronger and stronger as they fought

Literally another Hit
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>Buu remained dormant
>Supreme Kai went to Earth to destroy Buu egg
>Accidentally awakens Buu and he kills Kai, steals potara ring
>Alternate Buu is too weak so he takes over Goku with the ring
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>>143314212
Old kai probably wasnt released. Remember it was Gokus idea to test the sword.
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Black is in the house.
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THIS EPISODE WAS THE SHIT

TRUNKS NOT ONLY CONFIRMED SSJ2 BUT ALSO SOLOED THE ENTIRETY OF BOO SAGA WITHOUT FUCKING AROUND AND LISTENING TO DUMB KAIOSHIN
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>Black has a plot ring that can open inter-dimensional time travel portals
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So Trunks confirms Black is at least as strong as Goku
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>defeated babidi and co because isn't stupid
>is ssj2
confirmed based
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>>143314236
That's what I thought too but when I brought it up people said I was wrong and he's still 17.
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>>143314280
Shame his sword isn't the Z-sword. That would have been a nice callback.
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Now get on the torrenting, anime rippers. I need that unlaggedy split.
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>>143314212
He didn't train with them.
Basically it went
>fuck no that's a retarded idea I'll just kill them myself
>Old kai forever stuck in the Z sword
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>>143314255
Or it's Ginyu getting used to Goku's body.
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So.. BLACKED?
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>>143313950
Dabura's a big guy
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>>143314314
People are dumb and don't pay attention then.
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so was Supreme Kai not a fucking retard in the future?
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>Goku loses to Black
>Vegeta kicks Black's ass

Please happen
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>>143314296
He'll still get blacked.

Preview shows Black fighting on par with SS Goku, Black is laughing as Goku concentrates on dodging.
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>>143314352

For Babadi
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>>143314000
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
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>>143314310
>strong as Goku
>only went SSJ3
>Goku is holding back in the preview
Nah.
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>>143313944

No
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>Stream froze while Black arrived
>Missed preview
Damn it
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>>143314367
Goku's also being a retard and not powering up to SSB according to that preview
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>>143314358
It wouldnt surprise me if Trunks told kai to shove his plan up his ass
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>>143314360
>Veggiefags
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PREVIEW
>PREVIEW
PREVIEW
>PREVIEW
PREVIEW
>PREVIEW
https://my.mixtape.moe/lrgsry.mp4
https://my.mixtape.moe/lrgsry.mp4
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>>143314367
SSJ Goku is nothing compared to Super Cyan
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>>143314367
SS1 Goku? He's probably holding back then because of that information about him getting stronger when being fought.
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>>143314360
Whis will take Goku back in time to kill Black.
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>NEP is Goku jobbing
vegeta killing black confirmed
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>black is evil

Racist
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GOKU SACRIFICES HIMSELF BY POTARA FUSING WITH BLACK TO SAVE EARTH
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>>143314360
>Vegetafags
lmao
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>>143314407
Of course he's not powering up.
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>>143314360
>making Vegeta looks strong
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>>143314387
Well, he did say Black gets stronger as he fights. And we know from the next episode summary that Black doesn't take Goku seriously
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>>143314086
Goku estimated they were around the same. Vegeta & Goku did note that Gohan was having way too much difficulty with Dabura, Vegeta starting to lose patience over it.
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>it's another goku holds back episode
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>>143314229

Gohan?
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>>143314360
Yeah and Gohan gains SSG2
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>>143314358
It's more that Trunks said "Fuck you Kaioshin, I'm doing it the non-retarded way".
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>>143314415
>https://my.mixtape.moe/lrgsry.mp4
>goku gets BTFO for not powering up immediately
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>>143314402
Well, technically he did come, he just never got released there.
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>>143314143
>They would have gotten Buu from Earth & left given how desolate the place was
The only reason they stayed was because there were folks with some energy.
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>believing the Goku loses in preview

Look, this is obvious that in next starting episode, Goku will get blown the fuck out (cuz he wants to know his power)then go SSJ2 to fight Black.

Goku will won't job.
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>>143314453
Thing Goku never specified if he meant Perfect Cell or Super Perfect (after the Allahu Akbar part).
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Black Goku must be holding back too.

SS3 Goku is enough for standard form Black.

Anyways, this is a joke arc anyways, after you have seen SSG Goku 10x Kaioken.
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>>143314461
Well if he learns to mix mystic and SSJ2, maybe he'll get another form unique to him
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>>143314177
"Toriyama said after fighting Beerus Goku realized that he's better off mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan rather than transforming into Super Saiyan 2 or 3"
From Kanzenshuu
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>>143314358
no, trunks literally said fuck you to their plan of giving Buu energy.
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Whoever draws Bulma's tits is the man.
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>>143314367
That's SSJ2 Goku
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>>143314000
To Gohan's defense, he would've fared better by not listening to that dumbass Supreme Kai. Really, the entire Buu Arc is Kai's fault.
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>>143314513
Black will lose anyway
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>>143314320
>giving based Trunks the gay Gohan sword

He doesn't need that shit. Anything that Gohan touches is cancer.
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>>143314533

Is she pregnant with Bra? Women's breasts swell somewhat when they're pregnant.
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Wait a minute, shouldn't Babidi's shit had happened while Future Trunks was still a children in his timeline?
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>>143314415
Is Goku using SSJ2?
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>>143314521
Mystic makes SSJ2 redundant because mystic is Gohan's full potential without transforming.
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>Future Trunks SS2 comparable to Goku SS2
So, Goku was holding back, right?
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>>143314477
he always nerfs himself to enjoy the fight more
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for those who missed
https://twitter.com/Herms98/with_replies
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>>143314533
I wish her long hair was back. Also it could be breast padding.
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>>143314019
>>143314083
Gohan never jobbed to Dabura, they were equal, Gohan had troubles because he got rusty, but they were ready to fight again when Vegeta threw his tantrum.
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>>143314530
I know, but you're still retarded for thinking Goku wouldn't reuse those forms anyway like the self handicapping retard he is.
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>>143314569
Future Trunks is so badass that he looked like an adult when he was a child.
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>>143314513
fuck off juan
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>>143314519
By that logic then Goku was talking about Imperfect Cell. He was obviously talking about the strongest version
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so basically Future Trunks avoided all the kid buu disaster because he was not retarded enough to follow the Kaioshin's plans?
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>>143314599
post uncensored fag
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>>143314582
Don't forget how retarded half human half saiyan powerlevels can get.
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Supreme Kai's character triggers me so much. How the fuck is a character so dumb? Honestly not even a retard like Goku could have fucked up as much as he did through out the Buu arc
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>>143314415
From this preview i can see next episode gonna be a SSJ3 x Beerus on Kaio planet tier QUALITY animation
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>>143314569
Are you retarded? You are.
Boo Arc happened later in his timeline obviously.
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>>143314607
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>>143314106
>SSJ2 Gohan at half power
Given how easily Cell was overpowering Gohan prior to Vegeta's intervention & how Cell noticed Gohan's increasing power a panel prior to being hit, I say Cell deserves more credit.
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>>143314569
>Toriyama in charge of accurate memory
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>>143314562
Gohan is the strongest person in the whole Dragon Ball franchise. Tory confirmed, Its just that Gohan doesn't have time to do that shit anymore
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>>143314569
I'm guessing the Future Android era world barely had people to absorb energy from
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>>143314599

Not as easy as ur moms
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>>143314569
Are you fucking retarded?
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I liked the subtle detail where the sword turned to stone
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>>143314569
Didn't Babidi react to Gohan's original SSJ2 power and come to earth or something?
It would make sense that he would come after Trunks gets the form.
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>>143314613
Correct. He only trained with the Kaioshin but didn't agree to their plan. Babidi never got enough energy and he just BTFO'd Dabura.
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>>143314642
I have said it before and ill say it again. As soon as supreme kai appeared, the arc was doomed to failure.
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>>143314660
>Tory confirmed
Tory also said that Piccolo is is favorite character the retracted and said Goku is. Stop taking anything Tory says seriously.
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>Future Trunks trained with Kaioshin, enabling him to beat Dabra

How interesting was that?
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>>143314000
Huh, no. He gets owned by Dabura, then returns after being powered up by Kaioshin. So, it's basically the same exact thing that Gohan did. Trunks just didn't have to face Buu.
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>>143314520
>after you have seen SSG Goku 10x Kaioken
Oh, you mean that Toei-created form that'll only show up once in an insignificant tournament, but will continuously be brought up by fans for years to come? Sounds familiar.
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>>143314594
In all fairness to myself, I always said probably wouldn't use them.
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>>143314660
That's before BoG or effectively before any post-90's DBZ content
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>>143314030
It was a livestream
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Odds that Black is the same Goku who died from the heart virus?
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>>143314660
>Gohan is the strongest person in the whole Dragon Ball franchise. Tory confirmed
lol
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>>143314662
Babidi was probably waiting for the earth to repopulate itself
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>>143314569
Babbadi probably didn't come to earth until it was rebuilding since it was a shithole when the androids were around.
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>Black gets stronger as he fights

This is going to be another scenario where the sayians fuck up and directly cause the opponent to become a threat, isn't it? They obviously could finish Black off immediately, but Goku and Vegeta will purposely mock fight him to make him reach SSB level (so it'll be more fun), and then place the Earth at risk in the consequence.
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>>143314599
>that filename
I know who you are. You're the faggot posting that nude mod for Pan and Loli Kaioshin in Xenoverse.
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>>143314599
there was a time were Hentai feauturing Mai from KOF, Bulma and Usagi from Sailor moon were fucking 30% of the internet. While the remaining 69% was regular american porn.

I miss those times really.
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>>143314709
Freiza is not taller than Goku
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>>143314660
>Gohan is the strongest person in the whole Dragon Ball franchise

No, he was the strongest unfused character in the Buu Saga. He's not even close to being the strongest in a series filled with characters who can destroy universes.
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>>143314468
>>143314531
>>143314613
Ha, fuck that anon that said my theory of Future Trunks being able to defeat Babidi and Dabura was retarded. I was right all along.
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>>143314612
Thing is, Goku was dead, though communicating through King Kai, when Super Perfect Cell arrived. Goku only encountered Semi-Perfect Cell for a few seconds (recovering Tien & after losing 18) & then Perfect Cell at the Cell Games. He hadn't encountered any other form.
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There's something disturbing about a Buu that remains dormant
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>>143314766
Yep. Rof becomes even more irrelevant.
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>>143314594
More like, you're stupid for thinking that Toei would keep Toriyama's word. I'm pretty sure we won't see this SSJ3 Goku stuff in the manga.
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So pretty much confirms that Goku having God level strength in base has been retconned
Right?
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>>143314770
Andtoid here, what does the filename say?
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>>143314730
>implying that Toei won't use that form anymore
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>>143314590
>Future Trunks trained with Kaioshin, enabling him to beat Dabra
I guess he didn't got mystic
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>>143314314
Trunks was 23 when he killed Cell in the future. We know that for a fact.
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>>143314825
>if you remember this, you were bullied in school.
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>>143314743
Being God and being a strong fighter are two different things.
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>>143314709
>Perfect Cell
>7
Pottery
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>>143314810
Pretty much.
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>>143314768
I am one of those people, yes. Did you figure it out after I posted a pic of said mod?
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>>143314795
Kaioshin still helped Trunks to get stronger to fight Dabura after losing in first battle.
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>>143314801
>FOREVER TRAPPED IN THAT COCOON.
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>>143314810
Not really, it just means that Black is that strong. He has to be if Zeno's going to be dragged into this.
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>>143314569

Are you one of those faggots that still wonder why Mai is around Trunks' age in that timeline?
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>>143314801
Trunks or Kaoishin probably blew it to dust while it was dormant.
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>Black called himself Son Goku

Where is that faggot that constantly said it was goten?
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>>143314709
>Frieza
>5'10
>Goku
>5'9

What?
Frieza comes up to Goku's chest. He's manlet incarnate.
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>>143314863
Not him, but are these available somewhere?
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>>143314797
Goku can still feel Ki, so what's your point?
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>>143314658
Wasn't it because Gohan was actually holding back because he was afraid to destroy Earth?
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>>143314879
so if the Boo cocoon is still there, wouldn't Trunks and Black have set it off? or does it need Babadi to direct the energy into it?
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>>143314766
Did you even doubt that for a second? Future Trumks just confirmed, again, that most things that happened in DB after the Saiyans arrived in Earth were, in some way or another, Goku, Vegeta, and/or Gohan's fault.
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>>143314810
normal - SSJ - SSJ2 - SSJ3
|
normal god - god SSJ - SSB

Think of it this way I think. He might have to power up to god mode still in normal form.
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>>143314849
You said "person" in >>143314660 not "fighter." Gohan is a joke and has been cucked by Future Trunks as the third guy behind Goku and Vegeta.
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I missed it, is it up somewhere or do I have to wait?
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>It's a Goku has to save the Earth for the nth time arc
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>Black GOku gets stronger and stronger as he fights
Z fighters is gonna fuck up again aren't they?
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>>143314837
They wrote an episode dedicated to giving a reason to not using it as soon as the tournament ended. It's gone.
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>>143314881
Goku HAD to go SSJ3 to defeat SSJ(2) Trunks. It is pretty much confirmed Goku no longer has god ki in base or SSJ form.
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>>143314898

Isn't Golden Freeza taller?

>>143314771
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>>143314887
>Are you one of those faggots that still wonder why Mai is around Trunks' age in that timeline?

ACtually, that's a good question.

>Pilaf Used the Dragon Balls rendering them useless by the times the Androids arrived, so they couldn't hold piccolo alive for a year before the androids killed him in order to resurrect vegeta or Cure Goku's illness (I don't know if the dragon balls are allowed to cure illnesses before they kill people
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>>143314898
He gets taller in Golden form but he's still shorter than Goku.
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>>143314987
Yes, he'll get stronger until the point white super saiyan transformation will occurs.
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>>143314766
That's obvious. Android Saga 2.0
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>>143314915
I assume you mean the mods, in which case

https://allthefallen.ninja/index.php?/topic/3146-db-xenoverse-supreme-kai-pan-nude-mod/
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>>143314944
I think Babadi still needs to directly put energy into it. And even if Buu did come back now for some reason, Black would likely obliterate him.
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>>143314944
Babidi gathered energy to release Buu early.
Without Babidi feeding him energy, he's on a natural cycle of hibernation.
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>>143314995
>Goku HAD to go SSJ3 to defeat SSJ(2) Trunks
Are you an idiot?
Trunks was going with everything he had and Goku wasn't trying at all, the whole thing was just done to gauge Goku's power against Black's.
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Vegeta (in regards to Trunks' sword): "Surely you don't need that anymore?"
Trunks: "I feel more relaxed carrying it."
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>>143314795
Trunks still jobbed in his first fight against Dabura, just fyi.
He goes to train with the Kaioshin after losing to Dabura the first time, comes back as SSJ2 and wrecks his shit.
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Whis said only gods can time travel, does that mean Black is a god?
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Older Pan in any super saiyan forms when?
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"I wish I had never invented that infernal time machine! It's caused nothing but disaster!" - Bulma
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How did Black Goku became so strong, even without transforming?

However it is still nothing in front of the blue form (in the anime) or Super Saiyan God (manga).
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>>143315126
Next episode Whis and Beerus identify his ring as a God's time ring.
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>>143315126
Or he is a punishment from god due to Trunks time travel.
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>>143315126
He's using a time ring or something.
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>boo saga in future trunks timeline now has a canon resolution

RIP SHIN BUDOKAI ANOTHER ROAD, YOU WERE AN AMAZING GAME
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>>143315131
never
gt pan is shit
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Wait so is Black Goku like Hit, in getting stronger?
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>>143315131
>girls going super saiyan in shonen

never ever.
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>>143315126
He said only gods are ALLOWED to time travel
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>>143315126
No. Black used a ring, probably stolen from a Kai
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>>143315011

Exactly.

The two timelines were the same in that aspect with the Pilaf Gang. But when it came to the androids that first arrived, Cell and the whole Majin Buu event were different. Still happened, but different.
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So who is Black Goku, then?
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>>143315131
Note is the closest to that you'll ever get.
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Will Goten ever be allowed to train seriously?

Seems like Chichi is gonna turn him into a worse Gohan.
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>>143315052
If that's the case, then that scene does nothing to prove that Goku can't use god ki in base. Why not just think of it as this:

>Normal SS forms increase all of Goku's stats, but his god ki is the same as in base.
>SSB provides the stat boosts of SS1 while powering up his god powers making it stronger than his other forms.
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>>143315193

youll find out july 31
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Trunks, just stay in your damn timeline
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Does that mean those Kai's in the present timeline (perv dude, mohawk dude, etc.) can travel time?
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>>143314989
Ok, then according to the manga, Super Saiyan God is still way stronger than the Blue form.

That's what Goku did instead of using the Kaioken like in the anime.
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>>143315169
Doesn't it occurs you that he is a saiyan?

You know, saiyans get stronger by fighting?
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>>143315198
Nope. Goten is done, expect him to fade into the background with the occasional gotenks comedy.
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>>143315198
>Not allowed to train
>not even going hardcore into education like Gohan
What is Chi-chi doing?
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>>143315181
Opening the door for the Supreme Kai of Time to come and make Trunks work for her as punishment for time travelling.
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>>143315126
No, they noticed he had a kaioshin's time ring
it could simply require a god level power to activate of course, but current Goku can do that.

The strange part to me is why Goku Black looks so much younger, and thinner than regular Goku.

Is it really just that something happened to his mind, but this is somehow the body Goku had when he died of the heart virus?

It *was* an alien heart virus.

What if it didn't kill him afterall, and just put him into a false death as something took over?

I dunno, this whole thing is wierd.
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>>143315160
>implying
in the game there is an ending where you beat dabura before he revives buu besides the game is a whatif buu was revived in that timeline
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>>143314978
Nothing interesting. Just the fact that Trunks solo'd the Buu arc while achieving SSJ2 but he jobbed to Black some time after that.
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Requesting webm of Trunks looking at Mai
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That & Vegeta's distraction. Cell remembered Gohan right before being hit.
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>>143315262
Being a good mother! Shut up!
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>>143315240
Not talking about zenkai, I meant is he getting stronger the longer the fights last, as in is he slowly leveling up with each each punch and kick he throws.
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>>143315262
Keeping him locked up because goku won't notice her anymore
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>>143315196
older Pan in Gi uniform when?
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>>143315262

Typical parenting.
Go too hard on disciplining their firstborn.
Then dropping the ball and half-assing it with their second.
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>>143315317
White super saiyan when?
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>>143315240
so then why isn't Trunks getting stronger too?
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>>143315235
But that's wrong. He goes SSJ -> God -> Cyan in the manga.
His trump card is literally just Super Cyan.
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Soon.
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If Hit can level up infinitely as he fights, why doesn't he spar with Vados and become the strongest in the multiverse?
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So Future Trunks wants to be trained by Beerus?
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>>143315235
>Super Saiyan God is still way stronger than the Blue form.
It's not, Vegeta using it once wore him out to lower than 1/10 of his power as retarded as that sound. Vegeta also confirms he's holding back.

Basically Red is the weakest form but Vegeta was heavily weakened.
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>>143315126
Kaioshin is a god too, weak but still a god
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>>143315348
Because you need to be dead in order to obtain super saiyan 3 without any issue.
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>>143315264
It's won't happen. If anything, the "Supreme Kai of Time" we'll get in the tv is Zamasu, the green one from the opening.
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>>143315321
Didn't Neko Majin Z have something like that?
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>>143315235
>Ok, then according to the manga, Super Saiyan God is still way stronger than the Blue form.
No it's not. Goku's red form was stronger than Vegeta's blue because Vegeta was running on fumes at the time. If he hadn't gone blue against Cabba, Vegeta's blue would've been able to take on Hit just like Goku did.
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Todd Blankenship ‏@Herms98 4m4 minutes ago
Actually, he beats Dabra thanks to "instructions" (指示) he received from Kaioshin, rather than training per se
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>>143315383
>Gotenks
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>>143315235
no, SSG isn't stronger than Blue
it's just that you need a recovery period after you drop out of blue before you can power up to your full strength again. SSBlue is still stronger.
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>>143315366
Hit doesn't get any stronger, he just increases his time skip. He's no match for the Gods of Destruction and higher.
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>Even in alternate timeline, the kais are completely useless and manage to fuck things up worse
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>>143315364
Looks pretty cyan to me.
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>>143315370
>Vegeta using it once wore him out to lower than 1/10 of his power as retarded as that sound.
the fuck?
>>
I haven't watched super before the trunks saga

in the anime was it ever revealed what beerus wished with the dragon balls?
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>>143314916
Goku only had a "Eh, around Cell I guess" from a short skirmish with Dabura & that was after meeting Dabura in person. Super Perfect Cell had only been around for a few minutes at best & Goku was dead.
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>>143315416
It's not just the time skip, his technique gets better too.
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>>143315144
>Super Saiyan God (manga).
Read the fucking Chapter 17 carefully next time faggot, Goku goes Cyan as his trump card AFTER God.
You blind inbred fuck.
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>>143314352
for Buu
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>>143315436
Earth restored in U6 for his bro champas.
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>>143315170

They can, they just don't seem to show it aside of the games and Pan and Bra arr still too little.

GT Pan indeed a shit.
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>>143315366
Its not that his power is to level up infinitely

Its just that he's never needed to really level up before, but after fighting Goku, he tried getting stronger for the first time in his life. Realized that after trying it that he really is a genius, since getting stronger comes pretty naturally to him once he released his limiters.

He has limits, he's just never explored them before. Him fighting Goku was the first time he's actually tried.
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>>143315412
>magical being called Gotenks mimics Goku's transformation as his own
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>>143315436
he used it to restore u6 earth so that champa owes him one
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>>143315434
check it >>143315398
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>>143315436
>I haven't watched super before the trunks saga

You should have watched the last half of the tournament arc at least, it was good.
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>>143315052
>Trunks was going with everything he had and Goku wasn't trying at all, the whole thing was just done to gauge Goku's power
So is this Star Wars episode 4 or episode 7?
>>
NIGGA WHERE'S THE RAW???
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>>143315477
>magic
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>>143315494
>liking one dimensional girls from db heroes
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>>143315537
>fusion isn't magic

Supeerrr ghost kamikaze attack !
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Black is thinner because he's Zombie Goku, revived by Babidi after his Buu plan failed
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Trunks has always been the only one to get the job done.
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>>143315364
Shouldn't have drawn the hand.
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>>143315446
Exactly, he doesn't need to see shit. Just feel the powerlevel and compare. He doesn't require minute to do that.
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>>143315052
If Goku were to fight a non God Ki user + SSJ power then Trunks would had been defeated just by crossing fists with him. You can't into logic-
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>>143315545
Bra and Pan aren't from Heroes, though.
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>>143315267
Toei could be reusing their original idea for Beerus the Virus from their own version of BoG before Tori took over.
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>Toriyama stated all the alternate SSJ forms suck because they drain too much stamina
>SSB drains so much stamina that using it once cripples you to sub 10% output

Great writing there, Tory.
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>>143314097
Why can't he be the main character?
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>>143315563
Babidi is ash.
>>
So Goku and Trunks fought to check power levels.

Didn't that happen already?
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>>143315398
Is it me or is SSBlue therefore extremely inefficient? By some point, I'm wondering if Old Kai is willing to dance around some more people.
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>>143315583
Reminds me of Nanatsu no Tazai's work.
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>>143315562
>Tien's multibody technique
>implying you can't do what ever you want in dragonball
Magic is only involved with Baba.
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>>143315605
The manga isn't canon.
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Spic subs are out
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>sole'd the Buu arc
>SSj2
>jobbed to Black
well shit
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>>143315605
That's only in the manga and the manga is inconsistent as fuck.
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>>143315436
You shouldn't have skipped the U6 Tournament, faggot. Kill yourself.
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>>143315645
>implying Tien is human
>Buu doesn't get blown the fuck out until Gotenks came along
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>>143315687
It hasn't even been an hour, fucking beaners.
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>>143315687
How do they do it so fast?
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>>143315687
Holy shit, they are geting really fast with these subs.
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>>143315545
>one dimensional girls

Redundant.
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>>143315262
From a parental standpoint it makes sense. At least give him a basic education. It wouldn't be good for him to end up a retard like Goku who forgot whatever schooling he got from Roshi and needs to have the grocery list drawn rather than written.
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>>143315619
The way Whis describes it, it sounds like it's only inefficient if you keep turning it off and on. If Vegeta hadn't powered down between fights, he'd likely have been okay.
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>>143315687

link?
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>>143315707
>>implying Tien is human
>implying a physical technique is magic

>implying Buu is real magic
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>>143315687
link? im a spic
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>>143315687
>watching half assed spic translations
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>>143315709
>>143315712
>>143315729
Mexicans are hard workers, man
Why do you think we have them mow our lawns and pick our fruit?
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>>143315662
Toriyama said the manga follows his storyboards closer than the anime does.
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>>143315687

fucking based
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>>143315687
link pls
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>>143315605
it doesn't drain stamina.
draining stamina means they wouldn't hold it long
what it does is weaken it's output.
It's like taking a day off of training your legs. Your legs the 2nd day won't be performing at peak shape because you didn't recover enough.
Stamina is about how long you can push yourself until failure.
This is just about peak performance.
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>>143315605
Are you fucking retarded? The manga clearly states that Vegeta got tired because he went SSB to wreck Cabba, powered down, and then had to turn SSB again
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So by the end of this arc what level is Trunks gonna be?

Good thing he didn't stop training. He just needed the sausage
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>>143315799
[citation needed]
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>>143315687
where motherfucker
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>>143315687
did they used google translate?
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>>143315368
No he was begging him not to destroy his time machine.
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>>143315819
Greater than his father's
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Where are Krillin and Picollo headed? To meet Goku?
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Why was Kid Trunks impressed and surprised seeing Goku as a SSJ3?

HE'S LITERALLY BEEN A SSJ3
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>>143315746

Goku also talks like it drains energy though when he talks about the reason he faced Hit in base initially or didn't immediately turn into SSJB. That's why Vegeta couldn't just stay transformed between the matches either.
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>>143315193
Find out next time on DBS
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>>143315819
Probably the same. I expect goku to take over from here.
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>>143315799
And you think he wrote down the specifics of SS form power drainage on his storyboards? He said SSBx10 in the anime was Toei and SSG in the manga was Torawhosits, they made up the SSB power usage too.
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>>143315833
>did they used
You sure do.
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>>143315687
>Implying
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>>143315198
>>143315241
>>143315262
I hate how Super portraits education in Super. Chi Chi is the only cunt that cares about his sons education, BUT this plot is only used to prevent Gohan/Goten to participate in the story and prevent them to develop their characters. Chi Chi fucking frustrates me.
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>>143315854
he's surprised that his future self is so strong
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>>143315854
Goku in base is currently stronger than Gotenks SSJ3. Goku SSJ3 is basically in another dimension.
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>>143315854
when? did he go ssj3 in this episode?
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>>143315876
Goten was a mistake. What a waste of a character.
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>>143315876
Chi chi is the reason gohan died
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>>143315854
I always got the impression that Gotenks was his own individual personality, so when the fusion wore off, they had half memories at best.
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>>143315586
>He doesn't require minute to do that
He didn't have anything precise from that skirmish & only ended up with an "Kinda I guess" response. The only thing aside from "Oh he has magic too" Goku noticed was "Crap, Gohan really let himself go". Given how disappointed Vegeta was as well, Dabura overall wasn't as powerful as any of them would have liked.
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>>143315494
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>>143315854

I read this as 'seeing Trunks as a SSJ3'. I was happily shocked for a fraction of a second
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>>143315876
Good god!
Don't abuse the english language like a redheaded step child!
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>>143314520
Yeah, it sure would be nice if Goku would use that power that King Kai said would prevent him from ever fighting again if he used it.
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>>143315920
Pretty sure they remembered everything, but it was pretty obvious he was different from both of them
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>>143315958
go away grammar nazi
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>>143315959
That was the Kaioblue anon.
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>>143315930
>Dabura overall wasn't as powerful as any of them would have liked
That's because Cell was shit tier at that point.
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What is now the official stuff, the canon stuff?

The Super manga or the DB Super anime?

The differences between are quite big.
In the manga, Hit isn't that strong, can't really expand his time leap for more than 0.1 seconds.
SSG Blue Goku could have easily finished him, but did not, because he thinks that with Hit using his assassin techniques would be stronger.

In the anime, Hit expanded his time leap to more than 0.5 seconds and kept improving and was stronger than Goku Blue+10x Kaioken, because the latter one was already at his limit and gave up the match anyways.
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>>143314646

Are you blind?
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>>143315687
liar
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>>143315995
The anime. The manga is merely an advertisement.
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>>143315787
Yeah, you could even say they do the jobs that nobody else wants to do...
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>>143315995
The anime, the manga is extremely inconsistent.
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>>143315985
he's right tho
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>>143315995
The anime is canon
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>>143315959
COULD

It will certainly be used before the reveal of Super Saiyan White
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>>143316022
Plot twist
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>>143315995
The anime. It is more complete.
Manga is just advertisement.
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>>143315995

Official are Toriyama's notes stored in some drawer.

Anime and manga just go by his notes though Toriyama does do some editing on the manga but not the anime.
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>>143315995

The anime is the main product of the "Dragonball Super" multimedia project, but the manga is the only one that has been confirmed to have the final product overseen by Toriyama, not just the initial outline.

>SSG Blue Goku could have easily finished him

Not necessarily. Right before that page Goku said that he was putting all his power in the Kamehameha that Hit ends up dodging.
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>>143315995
The anime, manga is literally merchandise written by Toyble (Toyotaro, a fanfiction doujin writer who used to make Dragon Ball AF manga)
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>>143315995
Manga Vegeta can't even lift.
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>>143315709
>>143315729
>>143315787
No wonder if they do things like pic related.
>>143315786
Implying Super deserves any better.
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>>143315267
Heart Virus Goku? Would be randomly retarded but also really hype.
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>>143316034
>>143316027
>>143316022

Ok, if the anime is canon, then why the fuck did someone above in this thread say that Goku using Kaioken with his blue form is a one-time thing and implied it is not canon?
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>>143316116
He's a shitposter.
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>>143316116
People are retarded.
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>>143315995
Both the manga and the anime are adaptations of Toriyama's outline. Toyotoro or whatever the fuck his name is adapts that outline into his manga. Toei adapts that outline into their anime.

Toriyama does, however, have more supervision over the manga and has even taken the time to redraw a panel.

In truth, however, you can literally choose to accept whichever one you want.

It's one confusing world at the moment.
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>>143316116
A dumb shitposter that doesn't realize the manga is only an advertisement.
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>>143316116
You must be new here

Never trust /a/
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>>143316116
Kaioken could kill Goku when he first used it. Then he spammed x20 against Frieza
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>>143316148
The manga is literally just an outline with a few creative liberties anon.
In other words and advertisement.
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>>143316116
Because both the anime and the manga are adaptations of the same set of outlines. If the Kaioken wasn't important enough to show up in the manga, that indicates that it wasn't in Toriyama's outline to begin with.
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>>143315990
>Cell was shit tier at that point
Given how this was before Buu showed up, Cell's at least somewhat capable. No match for Goku but Vegeta & Gohan are questionable cases.
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>>143316099
That image is cancer. I say that as a spic.
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>>143316116
pretty much this
>>143316154
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>>143314982
Isn't that literally every arc of any Dragonball series ever? Even Gohan couldn't kill Cell without ghost dad helping out.
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So what's Black's motivation to destroy everything?
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>>143315995
Toriyama draw outline for each arc.
Then two groups, namely Toyotaro (the Super manga artist) and Toei (the animation company) use said outline to adapt it into their format.

Technically neither are canon since both are rewrites of Toriyama's original outline. But chances are Toriyama's outline is just vague as shit, hence why the inconsistency.
Toriyama has also EXPLICITLY went on record that he told Toyotaro to "make more of his own thing and do what he wants and mix thing up" in the manga.
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>>143316116
He was shitposting.
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>>143316214
>If the Kaioken wasn't important enough to show up in the manga
And SSG wasn't important enough to appear in that arc, what's your point?
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>>143316221
It was Namek for Frieza & the Spirit Bomb was from everyone. Still Goku's technique but he didn't do it alone.
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>>143316215
Goku was the one who said Dabura would have been a formidable opponent in the past, but now not so much
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>>143316221
That's my point, it never changes when it could.
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>>143315958
*from
My salt spoke for me.
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>>143316217
You have to go back.
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>tfw when no yandere female broly
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>>143316273
>Goku's technique
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>Mai isn't dead guys
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>>143316236
He was kidnapped by a Makaioshin when he was a baby and trained to be a monster.
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>>143316236
We will learn it in following episodes obviously.
Cell didn't blow his entire origin story from get go either.
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>>143316289
Broly will appear in the Multiversal tournament
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>>143316300
Spirit Bomb, Kaioken, Kamehameha etc have been adapted into different techniques by Goku especially the Kamehameha.
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>>143316289
I wanna stick my dick in crazy.
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>>143316289
At this point, it doesn't matter, they can make Broly female.
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>>143316236
He makes sure the last saiyan to be eradicated.
>>
english subs when
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>>143316236
Punishment from Time Travel during Cell Saga.
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>>143316300
>implying Goku didn't exceed his master in that
If a small ball is mastered, I question what the ones on Namek & Kai's worlds were.
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>>143316256
No one is saying that SSJG was part of Toriyama's outline either. It still shows that SSJB Kaioken wasn't.
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>>143316351
Goku has never adapted Spirit Bomb into "different techniques".
Kaioken has also never been used in a different way then the one Kaio taught him until Super Cyan x10 Kaioken.

Kamehameha is the only one that Goku truly made "his" technique (and Roshi confirms that). Spirit Bomb as used on Kid Boo was still exactly the same as ever.
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>>143316286
Nope. Here legally, so go suck it.
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>>143316289
This is really hot.
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>>143316236
It was "I am Goku and this is for justice." Now I just remember the Funidub.
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>>143316351
Yet Goku doesn't like teaching other people shit. Most you'll get is maybe Kamehameha which everyone already knows anyways
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>>143316417
Broly is the hottest.
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>>143316289
This reminds me why female saiyans are a shitty idea.
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>>143316450
Goku is a selfish psychopath.
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so is that special with tarble canon?
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>>143316415
>spic
>legal
Pick one, Pedro.
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Where is Uub?

Wasn't he supposed to be Goku's backup plan to keep Earth safe?
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>>143316369
>>143316453
>>143316289

Broly rule 63 appreciation thread
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>>143316279
By the time the Buu saga started, Goku already achieved SSJ3 & his SSJ2 form was already stronger than Gohan during Cell.
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>>143316506
Still a small child.
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>>143316410
>Goku has never adapted Spirit Bomb into "different techniques".
The large Spirit Bomb is a variation on the technique on itself you idiot as is the Super Spirit Bomb.

>until Super Cyan x10 Kaioken.
>N-no that doesn't count.
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>>143316486
It was in BoG but Super retconned it out.
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>>143316486
Tarble is canon it's just that no one cares about him.
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>>143316506
Goku just revealed that he was born in episode 27 or 28.
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>>143316517
I wish I had more LoliBroly.
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I'd rather stick with GT being better than Super, simply by the fact that Super is fucking inconsistent as shit and will keep on being like this thanks to Toriyama only giving out rough guidelines.

And both anime and manga are just interpretations of it.
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>>143316506
>Where is Uub?
Where he belongs.
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>>143316486
Trunks arc confirmed that BoGs is canon over the Super version (The Pillaf gang never became Trunks' friends in Super's version of the events, so there's no reason for them to be taking private lessons together here, unless you go by the movie), so Tarble is still canon.
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>>143316319
Loli Mai isn't.
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>>143316519
Exactly.
In the past, when Goku didn't have SSJ2 yet.
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>>143316609
>Super
>more inconsistent than GT
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>>143316642
>runks arc confirmed that BoGs is canon over the Super version
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>>143316642
Holy shit you're right.
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>>143316519
Neither Goku or Vegeta realized that the other possessed SSJ2 when Goku made that statement, however, neither of them doubted each other's ability to deal with Dabura.
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>>143315687
I'm from spain and i wpoudln't consider those subs. I'll wait for the english ones thanks
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>Black Goku pretends to be good, gets Mystic Training from Kai
>Kills Kai to get rings
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>>143316489
Not pedo, Miguel.
Say what you want, but by the time Trump is president and makes America great again I'll be a US citizen. There's nothing you or he can do unless US law is broken, but by then the whole thing about following the law goes out the window.
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>>143316686
How about you read his entire post you dumbfuck?
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>>143316698
No, he is not.
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>>143316236
He is like Biba in Kabaneri he just doesn't guve a fuck anymore
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>>143316705
Vegeta realized it from the Yakon fight.
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Is Black Goku an absolute madman?
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>>143316757
Except the entire Trunks befriending Pilaf Gang and inviting them to live with him ONLY happens in BoG movie.
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>>143316735
so you're saying it'll take at least 4 more years?
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>>143316757
Was there a scene in U6 where he invinted them to Capsule Corp that I forgot about?
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>>143316750
Did you forget the part in the Super version where he shared food with Pilaf's gang? Where the Pilaf Gang now know the group well enough that they're even referring to Vegeta as Vegeta-San? They've clearly been spending time with him offscreen, you retard.
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We should note that Cell was confident of his victory upon returning. Cell underestimated SSJ2 Gohan previously but now he at least has some idea of his power.
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its been very long since we saw ssj2
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>>143316648
>>143316319
Shut up about Mai already.
She isn't doing shit in this arc.
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>>143316768
Agreed.

But didn't Goku make that statement about Dabura before the Yakon fight?
>>
does Black travel from dimension to dimension just to destroy shit?
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>>143316792
Nope, less than one.
>implying anyone with half a brain wants shillary.
Not even berniecucks want her.
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>>143316826
except making my dick hard
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>>143316836
No, just Trunks
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>>143316805
Note that Super Perfect Cell had the same aura as SSJ2.
Spikier and with lightning cracks.
It's safe to assume Super Perfect Cell was untrained SSJ2 level at least. He was overpowering Gohan and would have if not for Vegeta distracting him.
>>
Black is dead Future Goku who slaughtered his way to become a new god of destruction from the afterlife. He revived himself with the namek balls, then destroyed namek and is now tormenting trunks.
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>>143316826
Ooh, is someone salty about Goten again?
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>>143316836
He claims that he's doing it for "justice".
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>>143316656
I'm noting that Goku being the one to make that claim is unreliable because he had already been stronger than even Fat Buu at the time. Someone weaker than Kid Buu wouldn't be much of a challenge.
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>>143316506
Nobody cares about the shitskin
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>>143316894
But Gohan was an untrained SSJ2 too. And now that I think about it, he never stopped being one.
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>>143316911
What?
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>>143316894
>He was overpowering an injured Gohan
ftfy
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>>143316927
Post yfw he's a member of the Time Patrol and this is Trunks' punishment for time travel.
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>>143316927
Well then. Why the fuck would Goku care about Justice? This is almost definitely not just an alternate Goku, there's some other fuckery going on.
>>
Goku x Rule 63 Broly would be amazing
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>>143316894
Speaking of Vegeta, he fucked up hard. It was him who allowed one of Cell's blasts to disable Gohan's arm & weaken him.
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>>143316927
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>>143316894
He was overpowering a fatigued one armed Gohan.
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>it took episodes to defeat Buu
>trunks did it quick
Based, future gohan would be proud
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>>143317013
Nobody asked Gohan to defend him.
And Vegeta was rightfuly trying to avenge his son.
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>>143317013
Annnd because of his distraction, gohan managed to beat cell in the end
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>>143317013
You know, if that didn't happen Gohan probably would have obliterated Cell. I mean even after that he was pretty much matching him.
>>
So wait a second.

>hates Saiyans
>he says he does it for justice

Black confirmed for tsufuru?
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>>143316970
Mai is not for lewds anon.
Did today's episode confirm kid Trunks getting cucked?
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>>143316959
A Gohan he injured. That blast wasn't even intended to harm Gohan.
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>>143317008
Quite.
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>>143316849
Neither candidate is good.
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>>143317073
>That blast wasn't even intended to harm Gohan.
Exactly.
If Gohan didn't take the hit things would have been different.
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>>143317068
I'm unsure about that. Cell was apparently messing around when he injured Gohan's arm.
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>>143316927

Black is evil Kaio getting revenge on Trunks because____???
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>>143317059
I love how outrageously different the dub dialogue was for Vegeta in that scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSOBJYaXMdA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ8ZkTJsVmA
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>>143317109
As true as that may be anything is better than shillary. These have been some mexicantier elections this time around.
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>>143317161
He broke the time travel rules.
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How long until TrunksxTrunks selfcest
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>>143317124
It was a blast strong enough to finish off an injured Vegeta. It was nowhere near something Cell attempted to use against Gohan.
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>>143317191
That doesn't explain all the other people he killed before fighting Trunks.
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>>143317137
And then he went all out with the Kamehameha which Gohan held off singlehandedly and fatigued while holding back.
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>>143317196
that has always been a thing.
>>
SSJ2 Gohan is far above even Super Perfect Cell, distraction or not, Cell can regen even from his self-destruct and Gohan's Kamehameha easily overpowered his regen.

SSJ2 Gohan was so fucking OP his power is still used as a measuring stick 7 years later and would have instantly beaten anybody not named buu.
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>>143317211
And you're trying to say it can't hurt still.
Really?
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>>143317225
Restore the timeline to its proper flow. Meaning a dying earth and an exterminated human populace. The kais have done it again!
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>>143317196
Since Future Trunks totally wants that Loli Mai ass, I want to see Trunks x GT Pan x Loli Mai.
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>>143317165
Fucking Vegetafag dubbers.
>>
Goku's conversation with Gohan during his beamstruggle with Cell seemed to imply that Gohan was still the stronger of the two, even if only by a hair.
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>>143317165
Dub is shit as always
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>>143317270
>it can't hurt still
I'm saying an attack like that can disable Gohan that much. Cell's attack was meant for Vegeta, not Gohan yet harmed Gohan that much.
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>>143317309
seconded!
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>trunks soloed buu

BEST SAIYAN
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>>143317226
>Gohan held off singlehandedly and fatigued while holding back
He was losing badly before Vegeta came in.
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>>143317211
>Freeza henchmen laser beat unguarded Goku so that means it could harm a Goku with his guard up
Cellfags being retarded as always
>>
Goku (SSJ2) 9,000,000,000
Vegeta (SSJ2) (Majin) 9,000,000,000
Kid Gohan (SSJ2) (Rage) 8.750.000.000
Vegeta (SSJ2) 8.000.000.000
Teen Gohan (SSJ2) 7,500,000,000
Kid Gohan (SSJ2) 7,500,000,000
Dabura 7,250,000,000
Cell (Super Perfect) 7,000,000,000
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>>143317429
He soloed the arc, not Boo himself.
Boo never got revived in his timeline.
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>>143317499
>Teen Gohan (SSJ2) 7,500,000,000
>Kid Gohan (SSJ2) 7,500,000,000
Into the trash it goes!
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Where my SSJ2 bros at?
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>>143316289
>Movie 8 will never be about her uncontrollable lust for Kakarot.
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>>143317465
>guard up
I've read Dragon Ball before & Gohan was actually aware of this blast. Not only that but Gohan powered up prior to this part when Cell came back.
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>>143317524
SSJ2 is the best form, retains SSJ's nice look, and a spanking electric aura.
>>
What happened to animal people?
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>>143317499
>Teen Gohan (SSJ2) 7,500,000,000
>Kid Gohan (SSJ2) 7,500,000,000
What?
>>
Has it started yet? im just looking a people talking about shit.
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>>143317535
Being aware of the blast doesn't change the fact that he was rushing to save Vegeta using his own body, therefore not having his guard up.
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>>143317465
No anon, this wasn't a sneak attack. Gohan saw it coming & dived in front of it to protect Vegeta. Are you suggesting that Gohan decided to lower his Ki then of all times?
>>
If you had a hat full of senzu beans and a straw that fed them into your mouth every few seconds, could you be invulnerable?
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>>143317594
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>>143317568
They only wished Humans back at the end of Buu.
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>>143317591
Its over, for hours

Trunks appeared, told them what happened in the future, asked to train with Beerus so he could get strong enough to save his future, sparred with Goku a bit. You found out what happened in the last ten years in Trunks time-line, and how he stopped Buu from waking up.

Then Black shows up
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>>143317614
Not if you are decapitated.
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>>143317556
MY nigga, that heightened aggression too.
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>>143317612
Dived in with his guard down. SPC can't beat SSJ2 Gohan at half power, just face it Cellfag.

If Cell had enough power, he would have easily tanked the Kamehameha.
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>>143317594
>he was rushing to save Vegeta using his own body, therefore not having his guard up
I see sparks, I see an aura, I see that Gohan was diving to block. You don't see a hit like that & decide to turn your power off upon impact. That's like deciding to strip naked upon hearing there's radioactive waste.
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>>143317568
The same thing that happened to Lauch or maybe Shenlong is racist and didn't revive them.
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>>143317325
SSJ2 Gohan at 50% > SPC
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>>143317698
The issue is that afterwards he says that he only has half his power, and yet that still ends up being enough to beat Cell. Although, yes, you're right that it makes no sense for his guard to be down there, but it has been the fandom assumption for years to explain that scene. If it happened in Super, it'd be nitpicked to death, but, because it's Z, there's a strong view about it and people are unwilling to change.
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where are my spic subs?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>143317693
>Dived in with his guard down
Are you going to imply that Vegeta had his guard down when Cell hit him too?
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>>143317698
Gohan at 50% BTFO your Cellshit so hard not even a single cell was left. That means Cell was below 50% SSJ2 Gohan.

Just face it
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How does the sword keep regenerating?
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>>143317795
Bulma tech.
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>>143317757
>The issue is that afterwards he says that he only has half his power
There's no correlation between the two?
>yet that still ends up being enough to beat Cell
Thanks to Vegeta's intervention.
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>yfw Future Mai was pregnant
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>>143317795
Ain't the same sword, Trunks just gets another.
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>>143317795
It's a new sword in Super. The design is different.
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>>143317788
>Gohan at 50%
Which Piccolo claimed wasn't enough. Vegeta saved everyone there.
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>>143317773
Are you going to imply Cell is stronger than 50% Gohan when he got BTFO by 50% Gohan?

Goku and Suppressed Perfect Cell were around the same, and Cell could tank a Kamehameha at point blank. Yet was unable to survive 50% Gohan. This means Gohan even at 50% was stronger than Cell.
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>>143317892
Because Gohan was holding back.
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>>143317892
That's Gohan holding back his 50%

He was 25% at best there
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>>143317888
>>143317864
It broke fighting Black, didn't it?
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>>143317843
>>143317892
Why would Vegeta shitty ass BP would do something to what you claim is a SSJ2 Gohan equal?

Remember SSJ2 Gohan wrecked Full Power Cell, who in turn is far above full power SSJ Vegeta.

Gohan was holding back so much his Kamehameha overpowered Cell's own kamehameha and his regen.
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>>143313979
trunks doesnt fuck around, he killed every major villain in their first confrontation as soon as he was able.
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>>143317956
Huh? No, he didn't. He trew it at him at one point of the battle, but it flew back to Trunks like a boomerang. Expect to see that in every fighting game now.
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>>143317843
>Thanks to Vegeta's intervention
Irrelevant. Cell could tank a Kamehameha from Goku at point blank when they were around the same.

Gohan was just stronger.
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>>143317904
>Goku and Suppressed Perfect Cell
>Cell could tank a Kamehameha at point blank
Anyone wanna call "off guard"? This is more applicable than Gohan diving because no one expected Goku to fire at the Earth, including Cell, prior to his IS.
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>>143318020
>Cell could tank a Kamehameha from Goku at point blank when they were around the same
And Cell can hold back enough so that Vegeta's Final Flash blew away his sides.
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>>143318020
>Cell could tank a Kamehameha from Goku at point blank when they were around the same.

Actually he can't since he got half body blown up, he could obviously regen it, which shows once again that Gohan was so much stronger that Cell that he couldn't even regen 1 cell.
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>>143318066
Oh so you now accept Gohan had his guard down. Too late for that now, Cellfag. He is just plain shit. Below 50% SSJ2 Gohan.
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Is Future Trunks' Dabura stronger than Super Perfect Cell?
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>>143318010
nah he boomerang'd his sword and got it back
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how poor is krillin now?
he constantly is running around with his taco shirt
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>>143317974
>Why would Vegeta shitty ass BP would do something to what you claim is a SSJ2 Gohan equal
No visible physical harm yet it distracted him. That was the point. A opening so Gohan can kill Cell.
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Literal spoilers:
I am almost in denial accepting that those "weak" transformations were just for fan service. Is there other reasons goku was showing off "flawed" transformations?

It's seems the transformations have pros and cons but they don't use them like that anymore. Why not using SSJ2 more often then SSJ1?
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>>143318253
He has many Taco shirts
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>>143318188
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>>143318191
>This is more applicable than Gohan diving
Would "this is more likely than" be easier to understand? I'm saying anyone willing to swallow that "Gohan dived into Cell's blast with his guard down" should be able to swallow this one.
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>>143318175
That's exactly my point. Cellfags want to hype Cell as if he was worth something when in fact he is just shit.

>>143318142
Against Goku he was stronger than against Vegeta. He was at the same level as FPSSJ Goku. This means Cell could still survive if Gohan was equal. But Gohan was so much stronger not even a single cell was left.
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>>143318282
does 18 buy clothes for him?
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>>143317758
btw, what do you think would be his reaction once he realizes that Krillin married #18
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>>143318261
Fanservice and merchandise promotions. Also to allow Black to evolve into a real threat instead of Goku instantly killing him with Blue.
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>>143317946
>25% at best there
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>>143318253

It's just fan service for Mexico. They care about us.
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>>143318261
Yep, in manga; but in manga hit's fight is entirely different goku beats hit on god red mode, and hit cannot into time powerups; when goku makes a powerup hit loses freezing time
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>>143318313
Can't you see the angle? Goku was below & aiming upwards.
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>>143318309
>I'm saying anyone willing to swallow that "Gohan dived into Cell's blast with his guard down" should be able to swallow this one.
You outright denied that one though, so this one isn't applicable either. Just deal with it.

SSJ2 Goku = Majin Vegeta > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > 50% SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SSJ2 Teen Gohan (7 years without training) = Dabura > SPC.
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>>143318320
Sheer confusion and he might get triggered
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>>143318260
So? he can regen from being blown up even from a point blank SSJ Goku kamehameha also from a SSJ2 Gohan Kamehameha even from his own self destruct.

Yet a supposed weaker opponent kamehameha completely engulfed his own kamehameha and overpowered his regen.

Just face it SSJ2 Gohan is way stronger and was holding back like Goku said.
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>>143318313
>He was at the same level as FPSSJ Goku
I'm going to use the whole "defense down" part because no one thought Goku was going to actually fire.
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>>143318350
>holding back to the point he is losing badly
>then releases so much power that not even a single cell of Cell is left
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So Black is at least SSJ3 level?
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>>143318444
>so this one isn't applicable either. Just deal with it.
>A is more likely than B
>B isn't likely
>therefore A is unlikely
>A > B
>C > B
>Thus C > A?
Here's that (You) you wanted.
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>>143318573

Most likely, if he doesn't job to Goku.
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>>143318529
Gohan was holding back because he was afraid his power were to destroy Earth. Goku told him there was no point in doing that if Cell win.
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>>143318520
That would only make things worse for you. You are implying even with his guard down, Cell can easily survive attacks from opponents on the same level as him

That would mean SSJ2 Kid Gohan >>>>>>>>> SPC as not even a single cell was left.
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spic subs when?
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>>143318645
Out hours ago. they are fucking working overtime.
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>>143318577
>A is more likely than B literally because I said so
>literaly only because it helps my retarded delusional argument
Is it really so hard to accept Cell is shit? Your argument actually makes things worse for Cell, retard.
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>>143318663
where?
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>>143318505
>he can regen from being blown up even from a point blank SSJ Goku kamehamha
The regen part Goku forgot about. This is why he didn't blow up the entire body.
>Yet a supposed weaker opponent kamehameha completely engulfed his own kamehameha and overpowered his regen
I'm going to say "had his defence down" given how the second after Vegeta distracted him was when Cell got hit. Also, please review what Cell's regain is. According to Cell, his regenerative core was unharmed by the self-destruction.
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>>143313969
>enabling him to beat Dabra
>MFW I read it as "beat Debra"
>I need to go back to /asp/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXr8gbNPkzI
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>>143318612
Yeah, but the point ia Gohan was holding back.
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>>143318700
>because I said so
Tell me, why is Gohan, seeing the attack & moving towards it, more "on guard" than Cell, thinking that his opponent wouldn't fire.
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>>143318663
Can you give me the link? I can't find anything.
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>>143318663
link me senpai
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>>143318767
*off guard
Typo
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>>143314415
Will Goku go SSB at the end of the episode?
Well, the fun is always waiting 2 weeks
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>>143318318
Of course
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>>143318663
>>143318703
lies, i'm spic myself and they always are released in about 10 minutes. jkanime does it.
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>>143318323
>>143318409

Can I go with the Xenoverse game mechanic logic? Uses Ki faster for a bit more burst of power?

So SSJ is efficient but others are very far and lack efficiency compared for the burst of power.

I always thought Saiyans only have one transformation, which is the SSJ. It's a biological thing like an efficient "overclock" on the body. SSJ2/3 are inefficient "overclocks".
My comparison fail when thinking about the Kaioken.
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>>143318716
So he had his guard down vs both Goku and Gohan, yet survived one and got obliterated by the other.

That still means 50% SSJ2 Gohan >>>>> SPC.
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>>143314360
>Goku killed Purple Vegeta before
It would be funny is Vegeta kills Black Goku
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Dragon Ball fans are the worst. No other fanbase bitches about muh canon like you faggots.
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>>143314579
Yes
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>>143318828
I think Xenoverse has better plot than Super anyway. They were a far better "blast from the past but with a spin" than RoF with Frieza.
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>>143318869
Have you ever once been to /co/?
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>>143318840
>yet survived one and got obliterated by the other
I prefer the dub's line "Every Cell is a life of its own" personally but this is the explanation.
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>>143314721
Canon Kai of time when
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>>143318767
Cell saw the attack come so he had his guard up.

Anyways, this is still irrelevant. Ok, I accept he had his guard down against Goku. That means that instead of being 50% SSJ2 Gohan >>>> SPC, it now is 50% SSJ2 Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>>> SPC.

You are making things worse for yourself.
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>>143318828
delivered
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>entire thread has devolved into a SSJ2 Gohan vs SPC debate

Why?
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>>143318948
He still survived that from Goku, who was his equal, yet failed against Gohan, meaning Gohan even at 50% was still much stronger than SPC.
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>>143319001
Cellfags being delusional as always.
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It ain't like Cell got distracted and off guard destroyed by a kamehameha outta nowhere, his own kamehameha was still there, still winning, yet Gohan turned it up and Cell couldn't do shit about it.

Remember Vegeta galick gun losing against KKx4 Goku, sure he lost badly, but still didn't get killed.

If he is on par or stronger why he didn't just pull out 100% and equalized Gohan, maybe he would still lose but would at least struggle a bit just like Gohan did, but nope he got just BTFO.
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>>143318954
>Cell saw the attack come so he had his guard up
See >>143318419 & >>143317698

One was fully aware of the attack & moving towards it, the other was only aware slightly before being struck.
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>>143319091
gohan would have died if vegeta didn't distracted cell
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>>143317165
so originally, vegeta was just being a dumbass.

lame
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>>143318994
Manga is causing people to count out Hit, and shit on him.

He still took that attack, and Goku's final attack entirely, only for it to be revealed that Hit was still holding back.
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>>143319113
>was still there, still winning, yet Gohan turned it up and Cell couldn't do shit about it
>What is Vegeta
It went
>Cell was winning
>Vegeta blasted & distracted Cell
>Goku tells Gohan there's his chance
>Gohan goes full power when Cell was still distracted
>Cell doesn't react in time & dies
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>>143319128
>One was fully aware of the attack & moving towards it, the other was only aware slightly before being struck.
What I see is both being aware. And again, you are making things worse for yourself.

>>143319136
Gohan was holding back at that point and easily obliterated Cell after releasing all, meaning he is far above even at half power.
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>>143318948
Well, it kind of has to run off the dubs explanation.
If he did revive from a small cluster in his head, then Cell wouldn't have regenerated from his legs, as they would have been dead. He would have regened from that small cluster.

Basically, Tori fucked up explaining Cells regeneration abilities.
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>>143319001
People refuse to read the manga.
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>>143319001
Power level fags are cancer. What else is new?
>>
Ok who here is from gamefaqs? Because this exact same discussion happened there and that's not a coincidence
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>>143319257
>meaning he is far above even at half power
>looking away at Vegeta
Should we say Sorbet > SSGSS Goku?
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>>143319236
>Cell got obliterated to the point that he couldn't regen
Meanwhile he could survive a point blank Kamehameha from what was his equal at that point, FPSSJJ Goku.

This means 50% SSJ2 Gohan >>>>>> SPC.
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>>143319236
So Cell is off guard, yet you say that Goku also caught Cell offguard, and they were equals and Cell regen no problem, but Gohan just destroyed him so then Gohan is no way his equal.

See checks out, SSJ2 Gohan is much stronger than SPC if they were equals, Cell would have regen back.
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Subs when?
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Is Future Toranksuru's Dabra stronger than Cho Kazentai Seru of the present?
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>>143319257
>What I see is both being aware
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>>143319323
He was looking away against FPSSJ Goku too and survived. So he can survive attacks from equals even if he is looking away.

That means 50% SSJ2 Gohan >>>>>>>> SPC as he was completely obliterated
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Why does everyonr hate veggie?
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>>143319335
>>143319339
Read the manga. They explained it.
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>>143318573
Not really. Remember that Base Goku right now is stronger than SSJ3 Goku back in the Buu Saga. So, "SSJ3 level" has an entirely different meaning at this point.
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>>143319371
Now check Gohan's face as he was hit.
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>>143319368
Go away, weaboo.
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>>143319203
the output was the same. Goku didn't want to win to an assasin holding back and retires himself from the battle, promising him a non holding back future one.
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>>143319399
>He was looking away against FPSSJ Goku too and survived
>What is core
>attacks from equals even if he is looking away.
>guard down is equal
Not calling samefag but after hearing "Gohan lowered his guard when blocking Cell's attack meant for Vegeta", I find it odd that people think Cell's guard is constantly up for here.
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>>143319405
But I don't, he's a better Saiyan than Goku
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>>143319415
You realize that changes literally nothing, right?

Against equals he can still regen. As Gohan obliterated him, that means 50% SSJ2 Gohan >>>>>>> SPC.
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>>143319445
Hit still came off as much weaker.
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>>143319001
>I accidentally started this by mentioning Gohan was weak in Buu saga

I underestimated the autism
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>>143319323
Sorbet got base Goku only now, Goku was also just relaxed there talking not throwing a kamehameha at a decently high level of power, also Goku doesn't have regen, he got almost killed because of a off guard heavy injury, but if he could regen, he would likely get back up no problem, just like he did vs Beerus when he was SSG, or like Cell did vs Vegeta, Goku, even a stronger Gohan, or Buu vs anything.
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>>143319427
You see, >>143317013 is nowhere near pic related
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>>143319466
FPSSJ Goku is literally confirmed equal of Suppressed Perfect Cell, idiot.

For Gohan to be able to do what his father failed at, he had to be much stronger than SPC, otherwise Cell would just regen as he did against Goku.
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>>143319497
>Against equals he can still regen
Nice headcanon. It says nothing about equals, only survival of the core.
>>
Where my Ginefags at?
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>>143318994
Can you explain with more detail? I am mostly looking to see if I understood it properly.

Also reading the manga right now, didn't read the last chapter yet.
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>>143319500
not the same getting to 0.5 sec stopping habilities on powerups than having decreasing time stopping on each goku powerup.
On anime he gets getting powerups and thanking goku for it, seemingly growing non stop on habilities; on manga he just makes a "i'm crapping myself, this is not happening" face and he's useless.
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>>143319595
Fuck that bitch. Just one more way of neutering the saiyan race.
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>>143319609
then read it and if you don't get i'll explain, lazy cunt
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SPIC SUBS FUCKING WHEN
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>>143319590
>Nice headcanon. It says nothing about equals, only survival of the core.
His core survived against his equal FPSSJ Goku. Why would it for some reason get destroyed by 50% Gohan if he is supposedly weaker than SPC?

And nice headcanon on SPC being stronger when all I see is him getting fucked by Gohan at 50%
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>>143319001
fucking Gohanfags are the worse
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>>143319577
>FPSSJ Goku is literally confirmed equal of Suppressed Perfect Cell
And one can destroy the core while the other can't because Goku didn't know Cell can regenerate yet Gohan did. Gohan attacked when Cell's guard was down moreso than Goku did given how Cell couldn't even turn his head all the way before Gohan's Kamehameha hit.
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>>143318573
>SSJ3 level
SSJ3 Goku (Super)>>>>>Goku (Super)>SSJ3 Gotenks (Buu)>>>>>Gotenks (Buu)>SSJ3 Goku (Buu)>>>>>Goku (Buu)
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>>143319595
>Saiyans other than the royals developing families
Delete them
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