Kumamiko

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Says you. I wish I could become retarded and have retarded fun with my friends without having to worry about failing to achieve my dreams

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Machi is just fine the way she is

Oh boy here we go again.
Reposting
http://www.strawpoll.me/10550656/

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She just wanted to be normal

>>143156795
Why does this religious loli haet store?

The ride never ends.
http://may.2chan.net/b/res/415611788.htm

>>143156942
It's not as bad as Minami-ke Season 2 cause we didn't have a great season 1 yet.

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So I should just delete the last episode without watching it and pretend it ended on episode 11 then right?

Yoshio is literally worse than Hitler.
>™Goebbels-kun worked hard on making those propaganda posters. How could we not sacrifice the Jews?"

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>>143156942

You know what? I had to rewatch the DJ Natsu episode and deluded myself into thinking that was the finale.

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>>143157116

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>>143157390

>mangaka declines to check script for anime-original ending
>ending is a complete shitfest

I wonder how long he'll regret that.

Is this a good show /a/?

>>143157667
Yes

>>143157667
Well...

Ignore the anime-only ending and yes.

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>>143157718

>>143157667
If your idea of a good show is a realistic depiction of crippling social anxiety disorder ruining someones life.

She's better off not knowing technology. If she learned to use the internet she will soon discover how many lewd pictures of hers are on the net.

with screenwriter committing internet suicide, this pretty much guarantees that there will be no S2, right?

>>143158443
I think there are two OVA eps with the DVDs.

>>143157667
If you have enough sense to not be overly bothered by a character's frequent failures and a bittersweet finale, it sure is.

>>143156643
She killed them herself, OP. She gave up all by herself, because she was still hallucinating all by herself.
The morale of the story is git gud or git out

>>143156643
Don't you just want to pinch her cheeks?

>>143158524
I haven't watched the episode myself, but from the way people have explained it it seems fucking depressing. Far from bittersweet

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I feel like this whole anime was just an excuse to make fun of the people that lives in the countryside.

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>>143156942

My wife Machi is so cute.

Can someone spoil me what happens in the end? The bear leaves?

>>143158797
I see it as an overreaction. It only seems depressing because we were not shown what happens next and people demonise most of the characters far from what they deserve. It is only depressing if you force yourself to believe that Machi actually got lobotomised by the village.

>>143158927
Yoshio gives in to the temptation and rapes Machi, then gets brutally murdered by Natsu, and Hibiki commits suicide after finding out what happened. It came out of nowhere so we're still recovering from it.

>>143157500
>>143158443
>>143157718

I've been out of the loop, what the fuck happened?

I've watched the final episode just now, so the whole thing about her wanting to stay in the village was made up?

>>143159030
And well that's the gist of the problem. They ended the show on that black comedy note.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10551427

Who do you see her as, /a/?

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>>143159065
>That final scene
>Black comedy

>>143156643
The ending really creeped me out

The whole show did after a while, ep1 was great but then the PTSD and bullying got real as fuck. By the end I have no fucking idea but what happened wasn't right

>>143159120
Wife

>>143159065
I don't understand the problem. Black comedy is not for everyone for sure but this series has been pretty consistent in the dark humour. To see it end this way is enjoyable if you've been happy with the stuff before it, although a bit sad.

Sure, they exaggerated her suffering in the anime ending for the purpose of the comedy but we were used to it. Overall, depressing is one of the last things that would come to mind describing this show.

>>143159624

Yeah but her desire to go be a city girl is gone. Was that in the manga? Kinda takes some of the fun out of it if she isn't even trying.

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>>143159624
>she went back to her normal life

dude, she reverted to the mental state of a fucking babby

>Literally thinks everyone outside her small village hates her
>Literally thinks they were throwing rocks at her
>convinces herself of all this
>crippling social anxiety
>her coping mechanism is literally becoming retarded
>everyone is ok with this and actually gives out excuses
>the fucking bear, who should be the one most worried for Machi's mental health actually encourages this

Literally the worst ending in anime in a fucklong time

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>>143159766
The fucking bear was afraid of losing her, in case you were sleeping through the entire show. That's why he was against her idea ever since the first episode.

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>>143159702
Just like in the first episode right

>>143159678
Last few episodes were anime original. The mangaka even made a blog post saying he regrets not reading over the script.

>>143157219
you have to go back a few episodes and pretend the entire idol thing never happened

>>143159678
The anime resumes the manga at Natsu trying to record Machi's confession (because Natsu's confession to the mountain god was at the beginning of the chapter, the convenience of this situation is what makes the chapter and resolution funny.) Instead of using this scenario for laughs, the anime played everything seriously for their finale while still using the happy-go-lucky ending. The point of the chapter was to retire Machi's city-driven antics gently so the story could move on, not come to a close.

>>143159996

>The point of the chapter was to retire Machi's city-driven antics gently so the story could move on, not come to a close.

Shame. The antics is mainly what made the show funny for me.

>>143159935
Yes you can be afraid of losing someone, I fucking watched the show you retard.

But holy shit how can anyone be ok with machi coping with her crippling social anxiety by deciding to act like a retard, ignore her problems and dreams and just stay with someone that encourages such a destructive behavior?

It's honestly a horrible thing to even imagine

All the hate for Natsu, when he secure his waifu. Smart bear. And she is mindbroken.

>>143157500
If the anime doesn't boost manga sales? Probably for a very long time. I guarantee you either way he's going to be checking scripts if anything else he makes gets adapted.

>>143160229
It was less a dream than it was a decision on a whim, given how Machi never really bothered trying to learn how to be less of a hick. She just decided "I want to go to school in the city!" one day without giving it much thought.
I'd say that realizing that staying in the mountains with Natsu was a better idea counted as character growth.

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>>143160163
She returns to technology and all that later, but it takes a break for a mini-arc and opens up more Kumade Village vs. Tamura Village conflict. The story going into this break is all that made it a useful stopping point for the anime.

>>143160308
>>143157500
>He

Manga author is a girl.

>>143159030
This, it's a comedy guys.

>>143160229
Simple, by avoiding the projection that she will be forever retarded and that her dreams are limited to going to highschool in the city. She still has a brain despite being a hick and Natsu is a huge pushover as depicted so many times. If she decides to dream some more, Natsu will allow her but will impose a set of challenges like he has done since the beginning.

>>143159624
>No. People are overreacting because she went back to her normal life

What's normal? Her dreams are shattered and she's still as much a nervous wreck as she ever was maybe worse and everyone is happy with that?

>>143160580
Yes, as a father, you have to realize you can't let your kid into the dangerous world of the city until they're ready. It's much better that they stay in a safe space like the village.

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>>143160639
>Yes, as a father, you have to realize you can't let your kid into the dangerous world of the city until they're ready.

You also have to realize that your kids are going to grow up and that it's your job as parent to prepare them from the real world not shelter them from it.

Her social anxiety is not healthy and everyone should be trying to fix it. She's not gonna magically be ready one day. They have to fix her shit and they're not.

>>143160714
>They have to fix her shit and they're not.
Assuming it can be "fixed".

>>143160714
You literally described the situation of today's world. Parents don't wand to spend the time fixing it because it's hard and it's much easier to just expect them to magically be ready one day.

>>143160817

I really just don't know how Im supposed to feel about this ending.

Honestly Im kind of pissed.

Like they could have easily had Machi overcome her issues, and feel ready to go to the city but then remember how much she loves her home town and wants to stay because of that and not because she's emotionally broken.

>>143160714
That's the point. Since their village is isolated from the world, it's safe to assume that even after Natsu passes away, Machi won't ever have to worry about going to the city. It's fine for things to stay as they are.

>>143161152
>tfw people are mad because they hate how their life stays the same as a result of their comfort zone and know they have to move forward, but don't do so anyways

>>143161209

no where mad because the main character was used like a bill board and no one is doing anything to help her

>>143160394
Pics or didn't happen
>>143161386
It's a fucking comedy series.

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So, I dropped this show around episode 4 by lack of interest, and heard about the ending, is it really as everyone is saying or is it an exaggeration? My tragedy boner can stop throbing, if its true i will pick this up again.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzXZOnha0A

Kumaide-Syndrome Level 4

>Paranoia and hallucinations start to appear surrounding the onset of L4,as in the case which Machi have left Kumaide for too long

But who was the queen bee tho

>>143161505
Grandma Fuchi

>>143158835
This line pretty much reveals where Machi got the "city people will throw rocks at me" delusion in the first place.

Yoshio is literally worse than Hitler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDQoHhSzbt0

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>>143161502
If you go into it expecting full tragedy you'll probably leave more disappointed than everyone else. You'll still get a kick out of all the bullying, though.

>>143161502
It's exaggerated at this point, you will only understand the hubbub as a fan in the first place.

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>>143161618
>>143161625
Eh, guess I will give it a watch, the SoL wasnt bad after all.

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>>143161413
>It's a fucking comedy series.

and?

Will there be more little girl bullying next season?

Why aren't there more rape images of her?

>>143156760
>75% legitimately upset by a joke series
I hope it's just the summerfags. Unbelievable.

>>143162010
When you see a cute anime girl suffering, it is natural to want to whiteknight her even for a comedy series. But you know what, it was in an anime that banked on her suffering all the way through to the end. It's unfortunate that it did not fit your personal opinion on what should have happened. The studio may have fucked up in the eyes of the blind fans and the author but the work is not an abomination. The ending worked and there is no objective reason why people need to pick up their naginatas and perform a war dance.

>>143160489
Seriously? I never watched this but >>143160714
is one of the saddest images I've seen all season. Comedies shouldn't make me this sad

>>143162554
It's just gentle bullying! Don't worry!

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>>143162346
>whiteknight her
>not self-insert as the little girl

Disgusting.

i don't think any show will have a better ending this season.

>>143157718
The ending brought conclusion to everything that was built up over the course of the series. It was entertaining and it was believable.

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>>143162639
Replace whiteknight as self-insert and my argument still stands, faggot.

>>143158704
That's the Japanese mentality summed up. They believe you should follow your dreams, but only if it doesn't take a long time and you won't burden others getting there. If not, give up on your dreams and/or life.

What every happen to thos 'bullied machi makes my dick go diamonds' people? Great times were had

>>143157500
I really doubt that he didn't check the script at all.

>>143162754
People realized the reality of their situations were similar to Machi's and didn't want their escapism to end where their current life is.

To be fair, the social anxiety jokes got old fast. Shit got dragged and the last few episodes just felt like a chore to watch. That being said, Natsu screaming at the gods during the penultimate episode was really fucking hilarious and probably the best part of this entire arc.

>>143162798
That's pretty deep anon

>>143162752
>They believe you should follow your dreams, but only if it doesn't take a long time and you won't burden others getting there
But Yoshio followed his dreams that will take a long time and he was a burden on Machi.

>>143162752
2ch looks to be at least twenty times more assblasted than us at the "give up" ending, so I don't think they share that mentality.

>>143162987
2ch is way more NEET than /a/ clearly. That's why. The reality set in even harder.

I only watched up to episode 7 for now but why are people mad? I feel like whatever happened seems to be perfectly following the tone that the show set already.

It's just like the people dropping by episode 2 or 3 when they thought it would be a simple , comfy slice of life.

>>143163070
Autistic people can't read the tone of a show correctly.

>natsu gets to keep his machi
>machi realizes the city sucks
>shes laughing and smiling in the credits
>the post ED is literally the same as all the others
>she isn't dead

the dialog is the only thing that sucked and even then I don't know if it was the subs or not.
we laughed when machi was bullied before, at least I'm gonna keep laughing now.
they should've sacrificed her in the end to really piss off the viewers. fyi natsu probably would've killed himself if his miko left.

Machi never could have made it in a small town, let alone Tokio. She would've been sold to a massage parlor the first day.

Crushing her dreams was mercy.

>>143163311
Yeah, she would have without doubt became that "worthless woman". And it's the first place, what's so good about living in the city? It's just " grass is greener on the other side".

>>143163395
There is more to do in a city. There is also more you have to put up. Millennials love urban life, their parents preferred suburbs. It's all a matter of taste.

>>143163070
What people are going on about is really skewed at this point, and it's not unlike the confusion during any end-talk of the season. There -is- a huge problem with the anime's original content but it's become redundant to explain what's really the issue already and most discussion is arguing something beyond it now.

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>>143163120
It's not autism, it's genre savviness.
Most anime have gotten people used to the old tsuyoku naritai cliché where MC always manages to overcome his/her problems in the end through the power of friendship/love/force of will/some random other bullshit.

So when a show that looks to be smooth sailing towards that kind of ending waits until 5 minutes before the end of last episode to say "yeah, fuck it, let's just give up and pretend the last 12 episodes never happened", it's understandable that people feel confused.

>>143163483
Actually, I'm a demon.

>>143156643
But it was, moralfag.

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>>143156643
Yeah seriously. It's literally character atrophy.

I guess some episodes were anime original, so hopefully the manga is better and won't end so shit.

>>143163483
>So when a show that looks to be smooth sailing towards that kind of ending
No it wasn't it, it was building up to her downfal. He failed all of the trials imposed on her.
>waits until 5 minutes before the end of last episode to say "yeah, fuck it, let's just give up and pretend the last 12 episodes never happened"
It would have been that way if she went to the city in the end. And 99% of anime wopuld have done that and be critisized for bad writing like C3-bu's ending. This is the one show that dared to not feed us bullshit.

>>143163454
Please explain the original problem and why it justifies people to flip their shit up.

>>143163483
And this confusion is dealt with by getting their pantsu in a twist which is a strange and juvenile reaction to me. It makes no sense.

>>143163483
>smooth sailing

Are you fucking kidding me? The poor girl was beyond salvation with the bumfuck resources she had.

>>143163454
Isn't the manga still ongoing? Wouldn't original content be unavoidable?

>>143163442
I grew up in the city and moved out into the country. Shit sucks, however, most of the people here would never make it in the city.

stick to your roots, if your family is from the country, stay there, if your family fucks bears, fuck the bear.

>>143157116
kill your self

>>143163606
This. People think Machi deserves to be rewarded for simply crying about it, but she failed everything. She doesn't deserve it.

>>143157667
no its shit because of this>>143158125

>>143163685
Why are you even here? It was always this kind of show.

>>143163563
Assuredly it's better. The anime tried to make a big deal out of essentially nothing, and evidently suffered for it.

>>143163649
Yes and they hardly covered half of it. A major cause of the problematic anime original storyline is because this series was sponsored to promote the Sendai region (such as the train), so several events of the manga were rearranged so they could create a scenario by the end of the series that took place in Sendai. The part they chose to end it happened to be a good place (on paper) since the manga goes into a different arc for a bit. As it is, it did not mesh well at all with their Sendai storyline.

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>advertisement caused bad anime original episodes to be created
This part became real, after all.

>>143160639
I like this post, but it's definitely too subtle.

>>143163791
Which episodes were anime-original, and how much of the manga did they cover in the others? I see there's 6 volumes, which should have been enough for the whole thing to be canon.

>>143159978
Honestly the anime ending being bad makes me want to read the manga just to get the taste out of my mouth.

"crazy like a fox" etc.

>>143163791
>Advertise sendai
>heroes decide Sendai sucks and we should never leave our safe mountain village

>>143163959
>implying people in the mountains get to see the anime anyways

>>143163890
This came to mind and I forgot to add it on, but that episode is pretty analogous with what happened.

>>143163900
The commercial episode and everything about the Sendai idol show in 11 and 12. Machi never did go into a big city setting, so despite having a lot of material to work with, they had to make original content for that reason.

what if.
this shitty ending is actually
preparation for S2

>>143164090
A rabid fanbase means a big financial risk. For a show that has mediocre sales. They're not going to take it.

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>>143163628
It was almost there. Start at the scene where Machi is back from Sendai and cries that they threw rocks at her, have Natsu show her the recording of people applauding and cheering, she realises she was wrong and that maybe it isn't so bad out there. Cue hopeful ending where she resolves to be more outgoing, Natsu admits he was being selfish and agrees to help her with getting ready to go to highschool in the city in the future (instead of just setting her up to fail and get mental breakdowns like he did before).

There. It's fixed. It isn't a great ending. It isn't very original, or very interesting. But at least it's better than telling viewers "you have crippling social anxiety ? fuck off and stay in your hole forever like the retarded piece of shit you are" and losing all your BD pre-orders.

>>143163658
In our time we have the internet and delivery services. You can have all of the world's information and goods no matter where you live.

>>143164090
The chapter the anime ended on actually ends with a cliffhanger that could have been used as a potential follow-up. In fact, had they not made any original stuff, the next arc could have been worked into a climax instead, and a S2 could just start easy-going again.

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Poor Machi.

>>143164125
I'm glad that social anxious people will stay in their homes still.

>>143164125
I would laugh if it's revealed next week that even Anne Happy outsold Kuma Miko.

>>143163959
I'm never visiting Sendai, that's for fucking sure.

Not surprising that there's once again anons defending a case of objectively shitty writing.

>>143162752
Was Kumamiko the first anime you watched or something?

So what happened at the end? Not going to watch this after all the hate I've seen, but now I'm curious after all the hate I've seen...

>>143164180
> Several of the children who Cameron experimented on were sexually abused, in at least one case by several men. One of the children was filmed numerous times performing sexual acts with high-ranking federal government officials, in a scheme set up by Cameron and other MKULTRA researchers, to blackmail the officials to ensure further funding for the experiments.[133]

Land of the free.

That's not the only time the USA fucked up kids for science:

>From the 1950s to 1972, mentally disabled children at the Willowbrook State School in Staten Island, New York were intentionally infected with viral hepatitis, for research whose purpose was to help discover a vaccine.[43]

>>143164125
It wasn't telling the viewers that. You don't have to self-insert in Machi, do you get it? The message could have been better but if it wants to be a comedy that shows a failure for once, it is allowed to do that.

>>143164243
Objectively shitty writing or not, the backlash is massively overblown. It's as if it is illegal that the anime deviates one fingernail away from the wishes of the public and the author.

>>143161505
Bravo.

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>>143164190
Joke's on them, I was going to stay in my home regardless.

>no natsu to cuddle with and order me saito-san's delicious cake
>onaka suita

>>143164285
It's not illegal, it's just incredibly and needlessly shitty writing that wasted 12 episodes of people's time.

>>143164222
But the people in Sendai are nice. Unless you're a mountain hick with a severe case of social anxiety, in that case they're still nice but you're having too many hallucinations to understand.

>>143164329
But not only did the plot progress, most people wanted this to be a show about nothing. Now that the plot became nothing, why are you completely that you got exactly what you want?

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>>143164180
>you will never get as high as this girl did

>>143164285
If you have social anxiety or ever had panic attacks, which is pretty common among NEET and hikkis, you literally cannot help but self-insert as Machi.

>>143164329
Well, let me apologise on their behalf to the psychotic fans who cannot deal with a waste of time in a calm manner even if they acknowledge that it is perfectly within the creators' rights to make an unconventional ending to a series that will not please everybody.

>>143164390
Wonder how much they gave her. Most I've done was 350 mics and that was a goooood day

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Machi has Stockholm Syndrome.

>>143164372
I don't know who you think you're talking to but >>143164243 was my first post.

I expected the ending to continue logically based on what had happened before, instead of arbitrarily nullifying the entire story.

>>143164409
>forced self-insertion
Wew lads, I didn't even know that was possible, but I guess anything is possible with NEETs and hikkis.

>>143164409
Then I hope that the NEETs who did that learned some self-awareness this time. I found myself self-inserting at times but come on, sperging out and actually getting upset is stupid.

>>143164443
>>143164409
>forced self-insertion
It's called "empathy" you fucking autists

>>143164443
d-don't make it sound lewd.

>>143164390
You do realize she was probably killed at the end of the project?

Reading this thread somehow make me really hates this series and I don't even yet watch it.

You know Machi isn't gonna get a good high school education sitting in the forest now.

>>143164542
She would have gotten bullied anyways, better that she stays in the forest.

>>143164542

High school is full of sluts.

Machi is better in the village so she can stay pure.

>>143157797
Her smile and optimism: gone

>>143164496
It was fine for the most part until the abuse and social anxiety was turned up to 11 in the last 2 episodes.

How would you guys handle a person like Machi if you were Natsu? You know she's going to want to go there and that you can let her or you could do what the show did and let her find out herself why she shouldn't go.

>>143164637
I'd probably do lewd things

An anime by Pierre Sugiura, Mari Okada and Gen Urobuchi.
How mad will the viewers be?

>>143164702
Judging by Chaos Dragon's success, not much.

>>143164637
She'd never truly know unless she goes there herself. Better to have a disappointing experience than an unsatisfied curiosity. At least you won't feel like you're missing out on something.

>>143164718
Thought about it and yeah, adding Urobuchi and Okada would be boring because people would already know what to expect. Sugiura shook Japan harder that Kumamoto.

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This is the best entree into my favorite genre ( CGSuffering ) for some time.

>>143164317
>"this anime shit, it has no plot!"
>"go back to /v/"
>"this anime is shit, it's not comfy!"
>"go back to /v/"

Literally you right now.

Who knew that an unassumingly cute show about a country bumpkin and her talking bear would have the ending which would make the most waves this season?

I doubt any ending this season will top the sheer amount of reception, good or bad, this finale has had.

>>143164796
It's hilarious that this and Mayoiga were fucking opposites. Mayoiga, promoted as a horror/mystery, became an unintentional comedy with an unremarkable ending, while Kumamiko, expected by many as a cute SoL show, startled the viewers with a horrifying ending that sent Japan on fire.

>>143163625
>Please explain the original problem
It's been said many times in the previous threads if you're genuinely curious, but I'll outline it again here differently.
The chapter the finale was adapted from into a two-part drama was just a simple chapter in the original, and the part that the writers blew out of proportion was nothing more than a few panels of Machi having a nightmare about city people. Meanwhile Natsu had his own nightmare about a happy city-Machi so he prays to mountain god, and his problem is miraculously solved the next morning as Machi decides not to go to the city anymore due to her nightmare. The entire brake on Machi's city pursuits is just played off through a short joke, and it adds a layer of security for Kumade Village to prime the cliffhanger at the end.
The anime cut this chapter up and, again, used a detail of the chapter to create their own storyline, deviating completely from the flow of the chapter while still using it. It goes on to play its own content seriously, and ultimately has Machi experience city trauma as reality as a reason to stop trying for the city, rather than the outcome of a gag situation. Yet, it still uses the gag ending, which lacks cohesion between the two different writing contexts (at this point they're just different stories). It's the sewing of two different fabrics, and the seams are weak. This goes on into things like its lack of faithfulness to the manga and overall bad writing decisions, which, as mentioned in the thread, were propagated by the requisite of writing Sendai in. Those who were invested faced a disappointment.

>and why it justifies people to flip their shit up.
As I mentioned in the post you replied to, many points of discussion now are talking/complaining about things that have evolved above the main issues. While there's easily reason to be disappointed with the turnout, there's a lot of overreaction and exaggeration that's equally being argued against into something else.

>>143164786
Not him, but go back to /v/.

>>143164995
It's all a ruse, nobody is actually taking it seriously. It's all part of the current hip and ironic millennial culture.

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>>143164995
I just want a bear to fuck me in the ass desu fampai

>>143165075
>nobody is actually taking it seriously
>tfw don't ever know when people are or not
>tfw sometimes people are and it's often to the smallest detail ever

>>143164883
the bullying in yuru yuri can actually get pretty brutal at times if you think about it too hard

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>Time for your medication Machi.

>>143165033
>normie
You're part of the problem.

>>143164832
You're right, that issue is tiny as opposed to what is going on. But I still see merit in what they did with the deviation even if it creates dissonance with the original work. You may see it as a weak ending but it worked for me. Machi suffering in reality as opposed to a dream does not differ that much in entertainment value since she has been suffering in reality throughout the whole thing.

Morally it does have different connotations but still, Machi isn't in grave danger or permanently shocked. If you do believe that to be the case, then I'm afraid I only see it as an unfounded conjecture and can only see less reason to be upset. Yes, it could have worked better as a joke but as it stands, it works.

tl;dr. It's ok to be disappointed but some people, possibly a minority, do like the ending. Getting angry is stupid and if you are, please have some cold water rice.

Personally, I hate the ending because of the idolshit. It's so fucking overused, it needs to die already.

>>143165263
But the idol stuff in this episode was fairly innocent, to the point where barely any idol-like footage was shown on screen. Machi's ritual dance doesn't count because it's just a ritual dance.

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Why did you throw rocks at her, /a/?

>>143165651
It's a mating signal.

>>143158125
But /a/ loves NHK.

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>>143165717

I humbly request for you to not throw rocks at the miko next time. Maybe throw them at the bee loli or something.

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>>143159766
>using "literally" incorrectly
>using "retarded" incorrectly
>using "crippling" incorrectly
>being from reddit
>being underage
>being on summer break

This is the average moron who overreacted to the ending.

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Be honest, /a/, if you got the choice between being a happy loli forever and having to live as a socially anxious adult forever, which would you pick?

Don't you remember being a little kid when everything was easy? Wasn't that better than how it is now?

>>143165919
Social skills are becoming obsolete in this day and age anyway.

>>143165937
>Social skills are becoming obsolete in this day and age anyway.
The opposite is true.

>>143165255
>Machi suffering in reality as opposed to a dream does not differ that much in entertainment value since she has been suffering in reality throughout the whole thing.
While this can stand on its own, the problem isn't a matter of entertainment value. It's because it breaks the vibe of the original context, the context itself, and is an elephant in the room for any material past it. But yes, Machi isn't so fucked as some people may actually believe. It's just a hasty shift in tone due to the above, which has fostered incredible confusion.

I see where you're coming from in all this now, and the discourse has certainly reached polarization of shitting on yay or nay-sayers. This is where I'm sad to have to see another series' discussions go.

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Tohoku mascots a cuties. Machi could learn from them.

zunko.jp

manga said:
アニメについて
くまみこアニメ最終回観ました
アニメスタッフの皆様お疲れ様でした
たくさんの苦難があったかと思われます
私自身アニメの威力というものを
身にしみて感じました
最後まで頑張ってくださりありがとうございました
私は脚本をチェックするのは断りました
プロだから、お任せしました
なのでこんなことをいう資格はないですが
ないので原作ファンとして感想を言わせて貰えれば
よしおのあの発言は、酷いなあ
と思っています
宜しくお願いします

TL;DR: anime original ep is shit

>>143166235
For the non-enlightened: She basically says she saw the final episode of the anime adaptation. While she was offered the ability to oversee the script for the anime, she declined and felt it was better to leave that to the pros as she has no experience at it. With that said, mirroring the feelings of her fans of the manga, she felt what Yoshio said in the final episode was cruel.

>>143156643
How is it not ok?
It's a mindrape hentai disguised as a SOL anime.
100% masterpiece.

https://twitter.com/white_wolf2015/status/745287148400566272

>>143166464
How did this random new twitter account end up with 11k

>>143166546
>may 2010

>>143166558
>11 followers

>>143166464
what does it say?

>>143166571
>>143166546

I'll assume it was posted on 2ch or randomly shared by someone popular. It's a good summary of the situation.

>>143166354
So she didn't actually hate the ending itself, but what Yoshio said about being a sacrifice for the village?

>>143166798
>what has happened in kumamiko ending
>machi is broken
>natsu is hitler
>yoshio is psychopath
>sendai peoples throws rock at redneck
>mangaka got angry
>anime scriptwriter deleted his twitter account

>>143166923
When it comes to publicity stuff, it's up to interpretation. That's the post that she later deleted, which can also be telling of how thin the ice is when it comes this kind of thing.

>>143167047
>natsu is hitler
Isn't this a compliment?

Japan was an Axis power

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>>143167047
>anime scriptwriter deleted his twitter account
Really?

>>143167111
Yes, and removed his accreditation to the series on his wiki.

>>143167128
He probably woke up in a good mood because a normal final episode of a series he helped with was going to air, saw all the misunderstandings and people interpreting the ending however they wanted, and committed himself to sudoku. Poor guy.

>>143167111

http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/86635

tl;dr the guy is trying to remove his presence and they're just laughing at him. Deleted his own Twitter account and removed any affiliation of Kuma Miko from his Wikipedia page.

>>143164125
Source for the pic?

>>143167217
>trying to remove his presence
Well, at least you see that the ending was a reflection of himself.

>>143167217
Poor guy.

>>143167191
No, he wrote shit and should end himself.

>>143167310
No, he deserves what he gets.

Hope he never gets another job in the industry.

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>>143167303
I want to throw rocks at him.

>>143167443
I say that every season an Okada show airs.

Yet here we are.

>>143167477
>>143167477
Okada actually writes good shit some times

>>143167508
>defending Okada just because you hate Kumamiko
New low.

>>143167527
At least this show didn't have anything to do with her. Can you imagine all the serious implications the bullying and social anxiety scenes would have?

>>143167527
huh? havent even watch Kuma Miko. Also Okada has some really good shit.

I just realized there will be OVAs. Do you think they can salvage it?

>>143167630
They'll likely take place at an unspecified time before the series ends like SoL OVAs tend to do.

Knowing the future that awaits Machi, I don't know if I'll be able to enjoy them.

>>143167561
>havent even watch Kuma Miko
what are you doing here?

>>143167685
I know this would be the original plan, but seeing how it turns out I wonder if they can do some last minute backpedalling.

>>143156643
yup classic stockholm syndrome victim.

>>143167685
And I was just going to say that some people would insist that the OVAs take place in Machi's dream world or something.

>>143167098
That anon pulled that out of his ass. The tweet simply says that Natsu brainwashes her to stop thinking. Only Western children use Hitler as a common insult.

Dropped on episode 4, but I need to know what Yoshio said that made even the mangaka go an say "That was fucked up."

>>143168156
Isn't that pretty much what the insult "Hiter" is used for though?

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>>143166235
Deleted Message

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Maybe we're the wrong ones.

Maybe this was a commentary on idol culture.

Maybe Kuma Miko was 2deep4u.

>>143168198
The blonde confronts Yoshio and tells him that he has to realize that Machi really doesn't want to go along with his idol contest bullshit and that it is too much for her. She asks him if even after knowing that he'll still pressure her and he says yes, comparing Machi to the miko of the legend that was sacrificed for the good of the village.

>>143157500
from what I read, s/he already does

>>143160714
>implying all people are the same and should strive for the same things

Cities are sick and twisted places. Why would I care if my child doesn't want to go there?

>>143165889
bingo

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>machi starts the series full of determination to fulfill her dream of maturing and being able to live in the city
>she trips a few times here and there but that's okay, IT BUILDS CHARACTER!
>it doesn't build her character at all, instead it just traumatizes her and by the end of it all she's a shell of the person she once was
>no longer has any drive to fulfill her dream
>will probably die old and alone innawoods
>assuming she doesn't just kill herself after natsu dies

So can I sue?

Because they basically stole my life story and added a talking bear to it.

There needs to be a good ending where Machi is saved by child protection services and Natsu is turned into a rug.

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>>143169033
It was entertaining to look at.

Wait, wait maybe that's actually what they were going for all along.
Think about it, Mushishi, Mononoke, Noragami, all of them present spirits/demons/whatever that more or less actively push people to make bad decisions.
Maybe it was all a bad executed long con

>>143169033
Don't worry, anon. You'll find your talking bear eventually.

>>143169033
There's an important lesson to be learned here. We keep telling all the little niglets they can be president if they try hard enough, but it simply is not true. You need a lot more than just your own motivation more often than not. You need other people. You need natural skill. You need luck in circumstances. Honestly this anime was great for NOT having the happy ending.

>>143164265
>Not bringing up all the crazy russian experiments on kids that make the usa's look like childs play

>>143164317
>>143164786
Personally I think that comfyfags are /a/ breed and born, me included, but if you really want to blame another board then /sp/ are the ones. That board has slower comfy threads for every big game and for big events like the euros there is an even comfier version of those threads.

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>>143169555
>But the russians did it too!
what kind of argument is that?

>>143169731
I want to pelt this bitch with rocks.

This meme has gone on for long enough. Kill yourselves.

>>143159978
Yeah, that had to be a lie. It's the final episode, if the mangaka had been looking it over for the previous episodes, suddenly deciding to not look over one more makes zero sense. The truth is that it was approved and now regrets approving it due to the massive backlash.

>>143169927
Because Yoshio was an even bigger faggot than the usual, not because it ended in Machi giving up.

>>143169927
He could have not checked the anime original scripts, but yeah, it stinks a bit.

>>143169731
Nah it's.
>But the russians did it 10x worse
Argument is by comparison those fucked up guys aren't THAT bad.

>>143169995
Bullshit. It's only 1 cour. How do you simply decide to not check for the final few episodes. One would think after the switch around of the events in the earlier episodes, the mangaka would have either known about the change and is actually fine with it or was the one to suggest the changes. The fact that there has been no complaint until now makes me think it's standard ass-covering time.

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They could have chosen to animate stuff like this. Instead, they went with "Hey, let's take Machi's three panel nightmare, make it real and extend it to three episodes."

>>143170073
Well, he could have decided that as a sign of respect for the original writer to trust him.

>>143169927
Nothing says she read over every script but the ladt one. She probably stopped reading over them a while back when it looked like it was just going to be a fairly straight adaption and like the post said she trusted the staff to do a good job.

I'm glad I never picked this up.

So this whole story is about an autist orphan girl living with her grandma and having an imaginary bear friend, while the local councilor sexually abuses her and a manic depressive hooker tries to act nice in-between beating her up and smoking 3 packs of cancer a day.

>>143170167
You forgot the horny old men and public shaming.

>>143170116
It's the final episode. Given that this is an arc that had been expanded for several episodes, how do you simply become unaware of all the changes made for several weeks? He/she knows about it beforehand and is now regretting it with all of the backlash. Out of everyone involved, he/she had the most to lose if it was ever known he/she had approved it.

I liked this episode, if she overcame all her problems and everything was daijobu at the end just because it's the end that'd be some boring shit. Pretty jealous of machi living the good life though, she doesn't experience the anxiety with the town's people so it's all good.

Honestly, the only way this can ever be redeemed is if the BD extras come with an epilogue that has Machi finding out about the actual events and it ends with her being penpals (because Machi can't into text messaging) with some of the other idols.

>>143159044
I believe it wasn't. She's so fucked in the head that she has these mental delusions of people throwing rocks at her and insulting her.

In the end, her mental state has thrown her to the point of just staying in the village the whole time as well as just completely shutting down her brain to that of a 4-year-old so that she doesn't have to comprehend these city folk things anymore.

You guys didn't noticed that the whole thing it's a cliffhanger for another season?

>>143170382
My problem is not that Machi failed, is that everyone acted like it was a good end, both the characters and the anime itself.

>>143170064
>literally And you're lynching niggers

>>143170521
with natsu it was understandable
the villagers reacted the same way they always do
only yoshio but he's clearly not right in the head

>>143170445
Hahahahahhahaha

If you think there is going to be another season after the shitfest that was the last quarter of this anime then you really have to be delusional

>>143170584
The villagers doesn't know while Yoshio did get stones thrown at him before, so both of their lack of reaction is understandable. Natsu, on the other hand, had been sabotaging Machi's attempt since the beginning, so his actions are pretty much in line with what has been shown so far.

I can sympathise with 2ch.

A place full of NEETS that empathised with machi throughout the whole season, machi and them both tried hard at achieving their dreams and their efforts were depicted in the anime eg Anxiety, panicking etc.

Though what betrayed them was that machi gave up, while the NEETS still want to believe they can make something out of themselves, machi straight up decided to give up.

Perhaps some are angry there's no one in life that'll accept their NEET ways like natsu did for machi or the for some the former.

In the end I can understand the reaction.

>>143170616
Not the anon you were talking to, but yeah, it will. A bad impression can still have a chance to be changed into a good one, as long as it is memorable enough for people to care about it in the future. It really doesn't matter if it's a good or bad impression, as long as it is a memorable. Bad impressions can fade over time but at least you still remember it, while you wouldn't even care about something you don't even remember about.

>>143170918
What a condescending prick, holy fuck.

>>143164702
>Pierre

Is he French?

>>143171135
It's not his real name.

>>143170918
That's kinda bullshit. NEETs watch anime as a form of escapism and uses it as an excuse/crutch to justify their current lifestyle. 'It's alright. If I have the willpower like x-anime character, I can simply stop being a NEET and become super successful like they did'. Except here, Machi didn't. The harsh reality is that willpower is not enough. You need hard work and dedication to not become a parasite on society. You can't just say I'll do better tomorrow, you have to do better right here and now. Machi's situation is just too real for them. They watch anime to escape their real life, not have it shove it into their face.

>>143167508
>Some literally who writer fucked up, wished he never got another job in the industry
>Okada fucked up, give her a slap on the wrist

No, you don't deserve judge anybody in the industry.

>>143171135
His real name is Masafumi.

>>143164846
>fails to see the point being made

There should be a mandatory IQ test before you're allowed to post.

>>143171289
>>143167508
This literally who worked on Yuyushiki and Barakamon. His hit/miss ratio is worlds apart from that hack.

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>>143167422
>>143167310
i don't get what he was going for, machi could have realised people enjoyed her performance and had a feel good little ending where she still plans on learning more and going to school, predictable, nothing great but solidly finished

instead he makes yoshio go full sociopath and tries to play off machi caving in and avoiding challenge like one of those weird old guys who pretends to be a toddler as a good thing

JUST

>>143171587
I think that he simply fucked the comedy. We were supposed to laugh at Yoshio, we were supposed to laugh at ending, instead it all came out too wrong.

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shes too pure for the city

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>>143171274
>Machi's situation is just too real for them
>all your needs and desires catered to by a fluffy orange bear

I wish this were real life.

>>143171673
Well, replace Natsu with parents that hasn't kicked them out of their home for their own good, and it's basically the same thing.

>>143157667

Every episode is about mobbing and abuse with Machi

>>143171618
Honestly, I think if they hadn't added the 'i don't want to go to the city' line or have her immediately change her mind upon seeing a cool looking high school girl, or at the very least, separate the last scene from the previous scene with something else, would have made the ending much easier to digest. It feels like it's more of a botched editing than something outright malicious.

>>143171587
>machi could have realised people enjoyed her performance and had a feel good little ending where she still plans on learning more and going to school
That would be unrealistic as fuck, you have no idea how social anxiety works. Whether people actually threw rocks at her or enjoyed her performance is irrelevant compared to the memory of the experience.

>>143171828
They should have not make her a children again, she regressed mentally too much.

>>143171274
That's why Kumamiko showed us Machi's efforts at trying to overcome her goal, but she gave up in the end.

Even if NEETs use anime as escapism from reality, it's always at their front door. As a human at least some of them still want to change and seeing machi give up after her season of embarrassing defeats I could see how it would piss people off, especially the way it was so nonchalantly.

I also disagree with your example about 'willpower' and 'I'll do it tomorrow' regarding Kumamiko. I don't see it as the type of show, it's not like shounen etc.

The outrage only happened during the finale, if they didn't want reality shoved into their face they wouldn't have even bothered watching up to the ending.

My point stays as you pointed out, Machi's situation is relatable for NEETs but seeing her give up isn't something that the NEETs obviously couldn't stand because of the reasons I mentioned in my original post.

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We can't stop here this is Rock Country.

>>143171946
Like I said, if they hadn't put those two scenes next to each other and gave the impression it is one long continuous scene, it would have a much different feel. It feels more like botched editing, really.

I just wanted the cute miko to be happy ;_;

>>143172028
My dick was happy when she suffered. Can't wait for doujins.

>>143164828
>unintentional

>>143171982
Machi has been repeatedly shown to say she wants to be a city girl without actually doing the necessary steps to actually become one. She refuses to acknowledge that she doesn't know something and basically bluffs her way out. She was not prepared for the city because she didn't actually prepare for it. She keeps reverting back to her old ways despite given numerous chances to do something new. She doesn't listen when people offer her advice and she never really asks herself if what she is about to do is the right thing to do. Face it, Machi was doomed to failed from the start because she wasn't even at the starting line when it all began.

>>143167047
>>143166464

I imagine the Tohoku people could get a little angry because they've been spending a long time trying to build up a good tourism reputation since the Tohoku disaster.

They probably thought funding an anime set in the region would be a good idea, except that backfired.

>>143171863

>that'd be too unrealistic for this show with a talking bear

>>143156643
>Already a 3rd thread
It's official. This is ERASED 2.0.

>>143159040
Natsu has a cuckold fetish, as shown in the anime whenever Yoshio forced himself on Machi, so he won't act even if Yoshio actually were to rape her.

>>143172270
How exactly can Natsu have a cuckold fetish when he doesn't event have a D? He can't really get off of anything anymore.

>>143172206
>She doesn't listen when people offer her advice
You mean """""advice"""""? Even Natsu has no idea what to tell her except
>umm go ahead it's gonna be fine

>>143172367
Same reason why chasity belts exists.

>>143172372
The rice cooker episode. That's assuming she even asks for advice in the first place.

>>143171863
>you have no idea how social anxiety works
hehehe i fkn wish mate

it's not at all unrealistic for her to see she was applauded and gain some confidence

>>143172400
But charity belt implies the D is still in place where as Natsu doesn't even have one anymore. There's a rather huge difference between the two.

>>143171274
>You need hard work and dedication to not become a parasite on society.
Just how dumb are you? I bet you're actually a NEET too.

>>143172519
Fixed doesn't mean that your dick is cut-off, it just means that your testicles don't produce working sperm anymore.

>>143172510
Well, she can't see it during her performance as she was already delusional. No amount of applause at the time can change that. But on the other hand, I'm surprised no one showed her a video of what actually happened after it was over.

>>143172206
I don't think she bluffed her way out in every scenario, especially when she was tasked to buy something for Natsu and crashed Yoshio's bike.

I also don't see machi as the type of character to confirm what she's doing is right or wrong because she's too shy to do so.

She wasn't even offered much advice.

I do think she was trying to learn, especially when she went shopping with Hibiki.

>>143172561
it'll mess with hormones and that cuts libido way back too

>>143172542
wut?

>it didnt have a fairy tale style ending so its shit

Faggots.

All I wanted was a cute miko having fun with her bear god buddy not some psychological horror show

I think I can say this show went to shit when they made Machi wear different Miko outfits and when the Idol shit happened.

>>143172599
She bluffed her way out of those quizzes. She had no idea, pretended that she did, and didn't even question the logic she used to get to her answer.

>>143172596
i'm just saying more from a writing point that shouldn't have happened. it wouldn't have been far fetched for her to be more positive and would have made a simpler but non controversial ending

>>143172648
In real life, you get a shitty job and laze around all day pretending to work. This is what the life of a typical non-parasite looks like.

>>143172686
Except as we've seen from the mall episode and the introduction of the other idols, she really couldn't see/hear anything else. Not amount of applause can change her delusion. She needs medication and therapy.

>>143172709
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>>143172709
Hell yeah Miria cosplay.

>>143172681
>She bluffed her way out of those quizzes. She had no idea, pretended that she did

Obviously, she's too shy and prideful to admit being wrong. Why would she admit she doesn't know shit when the quiz was basically her ticket to going to the city?

>and didn't even question the logic she used to get to her answer.

She used logic pretty well regarding the Suica question.

>>143172708
What kind of shitty job do you have that doesn't contribute to society, can laze around without getting fired and earns enough to support your lifestyle?

>>143172709
Is that Sugi?

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you lied to me /a/, all I wanted was a comfy miko show like pic related

>>143172789
She wasn't shy though . She was kinda proud of the illogical way she's gotten her answers.

>>143172900
>illogical

No, she broke it down pretty logically there buddy.

>She wasn't shy though
Did you even watch the show?

>>143172874
You should have figure it out when the first episode had a bear raping a loli.

This series was reprehensible from the very beginning. A bunch of older men bullying an infantilized younger girl and sexualizing her. This is the ending you creeps deserved.

Holy shit I thought the threads would help me lower expectations for the last episode, I was prepared for the shitfest but even then I am still amazed how hard they fucked that ending. She literally runs back home and goes mental. She has become a child at this point, I can understand where Natsu comes from but still he just allows her to be a tard. And Yoshio is just fucking mental, all for the village my ass he pretty much killed Machi's hopes and dreams.
Still sad it ended, as much as I want a season two I would only be okay if they never pull shit like that again. I actually felt pain in my heart when she asked Natsu if a tablet is food and Mr. Soito.

>>143172984
I meant in regards to the people she knows. She punched two of them in the stomach after all.

And the suica answer only works under the assumption the city works through a barter system and Machi doesn't pay for anything with money. At some point, using a watermelon as a form of payment is really illogical.

>>143172851
What are you even talking about, dumbass. You don't have to put much effort into anything not to be a parasite. Almost all people are getting it done.

>>143173179
The fact that you have to get up, get dressed, go to work, do some form of work, means you're putting in some form of effort when the alternative is to leech off of welfare/parents and stay home doing nothing. Again, what kind of shitty work do you do that you can slack off without getting fired and don't contribute to society in any way?

>>143172851
Plenty of IT jobs are like that. Sysadmin, tech support, data center staff, all we do is sit around all day unless shit hits the fan once in a while.

>>143161413
>It's a fucking comedy series.
>doing something absolutely devastating and write it off as "comedy"

Empathy, what's that?

>>143173345
And how did you get your job? By putting in the effort to learn how to do it in the first place. Unless you somehow managed to know how to do IT stuff without studying/learning, then you had put in the effort already. Which is way more effort than anyone not willing to go learn aka the Not in Education part of NEET.

>>143173417
>Empathy
The cool kids call that self inserting.

>>143164125
Source?

>>143172874
Holy shit I had no memory of this. They might have tried to avoid exactly that.

>>143173279
>getting dressed and commuting to your workplace is hard work
What the fuck, mate.
All I do there is read manga on my phone for 8 hours.

>>143173471
It's not as hard as you'd think, you just need to know how to update adobe and install Google Ultron.

>>143173279
>Again, what kind of shitty work do you do that you can slack off without getting fired and don't contribute to society in any way?

I work a State desk job.

>>143173471
I'd say that passing the interview is way more effort

>>143173471
I'm not talking about being a system engineer here.
All you need to get a low level IT job is know how to computer and being able to use google.

>>143173669
>this is what neets actually believe
Good luck finding a job. Some of the problems I've encountered can't be found with google and there are many more where solutions only exist on chinese boards.

>>143173573
>Slacking off is bad

Kinda ironic. That is the exact reason that this ending happened.
It was because the author did not read the last script for the final episode. He even stated he regretted it and hates the ending.

>>143169555
What are you talking about? Google about russian human experiments gives nothing but creepypasta.

Fucking hell, talk about a downer of an ending. If it was at least intentional there would be some artistic merit to it, but I get the feeling the writers thought they were being funny.

>>143173763
Or so he says.

>>143161413
>Pics or didn't happen
listed on MU as female
also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APWDIpdJILQ

btw can anyone tell me why the video was disliked that much?

>>143173899
Fallout from the backlash obviously. That's what happens when overreactions take over the minds of stupidly oversensitive fans. Watch the studio close down, these types of people will never let it go.

>>143172542
Well, I recently sent a mail to a possible work place and the next day I felt horrified that they would actually call me, like I was in cold sweat for half the day. I don't know if I should regret that I didn't get a job or be happy that I was spared from it. In any case, not trying to apply anywhere soon, that was bad enough.

>>143173557
I used to do IT, and that's just beyond stupid. Do you work in a university IT/ help desk or something?

>>143173899
Judging by the comments they're mad that the editor told the mangaka not to talk.
She's certainly a girl, though.

Enough bullying

I need more happy smiling Machi

>>143174149
>expecting japs to deliver what people want

Well, we can definitely be sure that people will remember Kumamiko for a lot longer than they normally would

>>143173899
Pics anon. That's mostly certainly not a pic.

>>143173997
>>143173899

Honestly that's pretty sad. I can understand if it was a member of the production staff of the anime or something but a sketch drawing from the mangaka from months ago is getting hit with dislikes when it's completely unrelated is pretty fucking stupid. Japanese otaku are complete fucking cancer when they get riled up, they seem to do everything in their power to drag everyone down, even if they're not involved.

>>143174176
She tries to talk at 1:35 before the guy shuts her up.

>>143174217
nah i think it's more what >>143174134 said
some guys were talking (apparently telling the author not to talk) and the viewers wanted to hear more from the author.

>>143174217
>Japanese otaku are complete fucking cancer when they get riled up, they seem to do everything in their power to drag everyone down, even if they're not involved.
Dude, it's 80 dislikes nobody gives a fuck about anyway.