Which Mangaka does the fight scenes best?

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>>142959477
Toriyama

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>>142959477

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>>142959477
You posted it already. The second best would be Murata in my opinion. Toriyama sensei is unbeatable though.

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>>142959477
>>142959708
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>>142959772

Nakaba's style is similar to Toriyama's

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>>142959828

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>>142959828
This

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>>142959876

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>>142959844
Metal Bat is 100% Onii-chan material.

>>142959876
>>142959900

Perfect flow

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>>142959828
>>142959846
>>142959876
>>142959900
>liking this shit

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>>142959828
It is similar, but a not as neat. Toriyama's artstyle and execution allow him to draw fights that feel really dynamic, yet not blurry or sloppy at all. Also Toriyama's blows feel heavier and with more impact. I like Nakaba's style though.

>>142959963

I think the fight scenes flow perfectly most of the time. And they are done well.

>>142959980

This.

Tsugumomo has the best fight scenes

>>142960464

That looks like a mess to be honest.

>>142960742
It is. As a fan of the series, the fights aren't a strong point.

>>142959477
Miura. can't beat berserk.

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Itagaki is obviously the best, it's not even close.

If only people would TRANSLATE ALL THE GODDAMN CHAPTERS! There are dozens of missing chapters in every translation of every one of his mangas, I've had to read the fucking raws to understand what happened! Even better, some of the the translated chapters are so horrible the Japanese makes more sense even though I can't read it!

>>142960549
this
Tsugumomo has beautiful drawn and well choreographied battle scenes

>>142961063
This right here

>>142959477
Dragon Ball had awesome stuff up to Namek. Then it becomes obvious that Toriyama is running out of inspiration while getting more and more bored with his manga.

Miura, Nihei, Hiroaki Samura, Inoue, Toryiama.

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>>142959844
Murata's artsmanship is top notch but Toriyama's ability to portray the fight scene is better

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>>142959477

Say, what about Sorachi? I'm not an expert on manga by any stretch but I feel like his fights are pretty cool. But it does get a bit repetitive.

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>>142959980
Toriyama fights are fucking shit though. Power level beams fests. All fights are the fucking same. you have such poor fucking shit taste it's making want to puke, holy fucking shit you have to be a fucking manchild, and I bet you really fucking like dragon cashcow super. Retard.Grow up.

>>142959477
Nanatsu no Taisai is pretty good for that, shame most of the charadesign are bland and/or samefacey.

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>>142965177

I think the designs are pretty good desu famalam

>>142961063
Itigaki have a very beautiful visual narrative

>>142961314
Post some

>>142962259
No. Toriyama is good at showing things clearly, but his fights are not that good. Murata is spectacular.

Better than the guy who's doing DBS manga, at least though.

>>142962347
The retarded naruto armor was a mistake.

>>142961314
And the sword fights are even worse.
With his fist fights you actually can see proper motion.
With swords fights it is only guy warps behind other guy and then we see target gets cut.
I think there were exceptions in the past though.

>>142965507

The guy doing the DBS manga is bad and traces Toriyama.

Hamada Yoshikazu

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Boichi was definitely one of them
The story was pretty good up until that bitch's betrayal then it went into a violent downward spiral, at least the art was amazing

>>142964430
End yourself, you angry fuck

>>142960793
Then what is?
One would think the fights would be a strong selling point of the series

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>>142964430
Holy shit b8 harder

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>>142959844
This is one of the few fights in OPM that actually has good fight choreography.

>>142965593
Did you reply to the wrong post

>>142959477
Nakaba, Murata and Togashi.

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>>142965610
Where did he trace this from?

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>>142959844
Garou was a top tier prick though. He hunted down heroes just because he could, hospitalizing most if not all, was extremely arrogant and conceited because of his strength, and got away with most of it until Saiatama arrived.

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>>142966371
>Togashi.

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>>142959708
I always thought Toriyama's fighting scenes looked great, it's a shame the fights themselves became pretty bad.

>>142966455
Yes? I am not talking about Togashi in his debuts. The fight scenes and paneling ae pretty neat.

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>>142966510
>He says while posting Togashi.
Please refer to >>142966455

>>142966593
>The fight scenes and paneling ae pretty neat.
Sure mate.

>>142966655
I am not >>142966510

Which parts of I am not talking about Togashi in his debut don't you get? Even early HxH fight scenes weren't that good. But it's changed since the Chimera Ant arc.

>>142966430
>though

Though what?

>>142966655
Could you elaborate or do you want to post more reaction gifs?

>>142965880
>at least the art was amazing

All the dudes looked like troglodytes and the women looked like real dolls.

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>>142966731
The part about Togashi having the best fights in manga.

>>142966805
Are you blind? I just posted one of Togashi fights. Is the art so bad you can't even recognize it?

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>>142959477
Yukito may not be the best, but he's up there for sure.

>>142960742
Like the rest of One Piece.

>>142966131
This is what happens when you put 2 pure brawlers together, fights like these are always easy and nice to follow.

>>142967442
True, too bad the quality of his works is now... well... I'm sad

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For some reason I really enjoy UQ Holder's fight scenes.

>>142970153
Yes Akamatsu is pretty good for that. Serious Negima arcs had some sick choreography as well.

>>142960973
thank god i find someone of same taste

naruto

>>142967442
She is sex.

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Watsuki actually draws pretty good fights

>>142965945
Adventure and world building are its main draws

>>142960464
Not a good example

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>>142973189
Yes anon, she is.

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>>142959477

>>142966382
This looks pretty mediocre. The panneling is just unappealing.

>>142965559
It was needed for the story, Guts had to step the fuck up and Miura only had one way, also, its a nice way to conect Guts and the skull knight, for they walk the same path, the path of the struggler.

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>>142961063
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>>142965370
Truly the pinnacle of fighting manga.

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>>142960549
This.

Great Art
Great bodies
Great fights.

also

>reminder, your favorite goddess is dead.

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>>142961063
>If only people would TRANSLATE ALL THE GODDAMN CHAPTERS! There are dozens of missing chapters in every translation of every one of his manga
Fuck off; don't lie. The only part of Baki that isn't translated is the last arc of the first series, and we're actively working on it. In the meantime, there's the second season of the anime which covers that missing arc (and the first season, which covered bits that weren't covered before).

>some of the the translated chapters are so horrible
Blame Wild Fang Project.

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>>142959477
Samura.

>>142977744
perfect body.

>>142966731
The most recent fight looked absolutely awful and was shittily convoluted, to boot.

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>>142959477
>Oh! Great
>Air Gear

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morikawa

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>>142977957
Indeed.

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>>142978105
Too Old

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>>142960549
Wish I had the motivation to improve my drawing skills.

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>>142978227

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>>142978455
>That smile

>>142961063
I just wish he'd stop jerking off to Musashi.

>Kimochiiiiii
Fuck off Itagaki.

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>>142960549
My nigga

Hamada Yoshikazu is a fucking god.

>>142965880
Boichi's art is amazing, but not a big fan of how he does fight scenes. It's all impact with no flow, which kinda neuters the big moments, like the stuff you posted.

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>>142960549
Isn't that harem shit?

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>>142979057
It's harem, almost-hentai, comedy, and battle.
I know there's other Tsugumomofags in here, post the two page spread of worst mom destroying the monster Sunao was hunting.

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>>142979203
>He sees your dick

>>142959980
>Also Toriyama's blows feel heavier and with more impact.
Really?
I admit I only watched the anime, so if it doesn't apply to the manga I won't complain, but I thought NnT has a better range and more subtle damage way of showing damage.
In DBZs case and especially when it was a no sell punch or just laser spam it rarely shows how much an attack has effect.
In NnT case for example when Galan attacked Escannor and the later didn't even flinch you still could see a cut of a few centimeter or when Ban used his fox hunt to try to steal Estarossas heart which didn't work you could see how it brused the surface of Estarossas skin and even damaged Bans hand.
I miss that in DBZ fights.

>>142979458
When are anime and manga ever comparable?


Just compare >>142959708 and >>142959738 with >>142959876.
Not to say Nakaba isn't good, but he's not on Toriyama's level.

>>142979458
Not him but he was discussing Toriyama's art, why are you talking about Toei's anime? You even have examples in this thread:
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>>142959738

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>>142959477

Kentaro Yabuki.

>>142980104
Poor Veggie. He never recovered.

>>142960464
I love one piece, but the fight scenes feel so cluttered and hard to decipher.

>>142959929
I want to live inside Diane's pussy.

>>142980436
King pls.

>>142980482
King barely suvived in Dianes cleavage.
Anything more would be overkill.

>>142960549
I love tsugumomo's art, but damn that guy needs to learn how to draw a nice Ass. .

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>>142979276
This one?

>>142981768
Yeah, but I meant the black and white one with no text on the page, it looks great.

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>>142981835
Found it.

>>142982052
Thank you

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>mfw people who haven't read Dragon Ball say the later fights are boring

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>>142982109
Here, have a bonus.

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>>142965507
>Murata is spectacular.
Sometimes yes but I don't like how he spams these impact stars, making the art sort of unpleasant to look at. See this >>142966806
and some pages of this fight >>142959822
>>142959844

>Better than the guy who's doing DBS manga, at least though.
Disagree, I wish the DBS manga was weekly so he wouldn't have to rush the fight scenes so much.

>>142960464

Get that piece of trash outta here

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>>142960793
There are good scenes with fights IN them, the problem typically is that everything's so loose that weight feels like an issue in fast combat.

One Piece is actually really good at one type of fight though, fucking one hit punches. You can feel the weight really well.

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>>142982651
continued

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>>142966382
fuck this is so bad, even Toriyama in Buu saga was better

Hamada Yoshikazu
>people posting the oda meme

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>>142983418
>implying Toriyama in Buu saga was bad
Dumbass pls

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>>142970153
>For some reason I really enjoy UQ Holder's fight scenes.
It's called having shit taste
>>142970326
Akamatsiu is terrible at that since his paneling is a fucking mess

>>142978047
>>142978667
>>142979026
>No
>Hell no!

OG has god awful paneling and its because of this people had a hard time following the series.

>>142980104
Cell looks so happy here.

>>142983775
You lose a lot of the earlier weight the blows carried in his art in this saga. I think the biggest problem is it's just rushed (he probably really just wanted to let DB die) and so the fight scenes don't have the space to breathe that a, say, 100-chapter long fight with Frieza enjoyed

Mori illustrates the most brutal punches

>>142984022
Not just the paneling. The ret cons. The incoherent messes of plots.

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>>142984177
Of course i forgot the damn image

>>142959738
PILEDRIVER! PILEDRIVER!

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>>142965559
>The berserk armor in Berserk was a mistake

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>>142959477
Yuu Koyama in Azumi

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>>142984221
i feel like he could have drawn that form a better angle

>>142983961
I can follow what happens just fine anon. You must have sight problems.

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>>142984475

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>>142983678
>>142983737
>>142983775
Too bad the Buu saga sucks fucking dick
Anything after freezer sager does because Toriyama is stopped giving a shit after that point

God fucking damnit i miss the edge kills we used to have in DB.
Vegeta was good at that shit

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>>142984583

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>>142978050
Mashiba vs Swamura is possibly the best fight in all of manga

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>>142984615

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>>142960793
I disagree. Ever since about Impel Down the quality of fights has degraded, but Oda used to have some nice continuity of movement in his fights, great impact, and most important he knew how to book.

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>>142984823

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another nice sequence

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>>142984896

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>>142984927

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>>142984549
>Edgy faggot

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>>142984966

Early naruto had some goat choreography but kishi became lazy. Also fairy tail. I don't even like shonen I swear

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>>142985029
>early naruto
No shame in liking that, it's quality shone. Every one of Rock Lee's fights in particular stand out.

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>>142985031

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No love for Kubo?
I like the fact that he has been doing this Ink theme with all his fights in the latest act

It really suits him since he can't be bothered to draw backgrounds for shit

>>142985155
All of Naruto, in the end, proved to be the best out of the Big Three.
Early phase was miles ahead the power creep and shitty convoluted mess that happened later, but still, it managed to be self-contained, had a start, a middle and a fucking end.
Bleach was never really relevant, One Piece was astounding at first but the lack of real progression and feeling of not really being planned forward are making it worse every week.

>>142985031
I remember reading this the for the first time and just thinking that it was so unnecessary brutal

>>142985354
no, no love for kubo. He just draws a big outline of an energy beam/sword/punch/explosion and that's it. Terrible fight pacing and choreography, and relies on asspulls to get the result he wants.

I don't feel like one piece isn't planned forward. Almost the opposite. I feel like there's so much shit he's thought up that following through on all of it is taking a lifetime.

>>142985439
>feeling of not really being planned
what are you talking about, OP always felt like it had a plan, what with the world building and things being brought up again 300 chapters later. I'll definitely grant you that it's been on the decline since after Sabaody, but it's still not godawful like Naruto nose-dived into and never pulled out of.

It's also kinda unfair to just give Naruto points for stumbling to the finish line, as if that's the hard part. It was a terrible ending.

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>>142985510
>just thinking that it was so unnecessary brutal
That's pretty tame compared to most shounen, hell Dragon Ball has more brutal moments than that.

>>142985643
He planned the midway and ending, everything else is coming up as he goes on, by his own admission.
Stuff like Shanks coming back from the Grand Blue, 'bouts with admirals and shit and not being strong enough to annihilate a fucking fish without losing an arm is pretty inconsisten, the power creep is extreme in One Piece too.

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Inoue draws the best everything

Too bad he doesn't draw anymore

>>142978105
Hard, what is his pixiv ?

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>>142985439
>One Piece was astounding at first but the lack of real progression and feeling of not really being planned forward are making it worse every week.
>lack of real progression
>feeling of not really being planned forward

C'mon dude, One Piece has legitimate issues, and I say that with it being my favorite shonen, but those two things are proof that you don't know shit about it.

One Piece is a colossal series, but that doesn't mean there's no progression. When they were fighting Kuro; Zoro was noticeably terrified that they cut off a bit of a cliff with their claws. Skip to him cutting steel with Daz Bones, skip to Zoro cutting through cutting entire buildings in Enies Lobby and Dragons and giant stone men since the timeskip. That's not even mentioning the actual plot, Luffy cleaned up the shitty east blue, helped a few kingdoms along the way which will become important in the Reverie arc I garuntee you, not to mention him declaring war on the government, punching the highest powers in the world, and breaking out of an iron clad prison for his brother, by which case the Marines managed to effectively neuter what was believed to be the strongest pirate crew in the world. Getting rid of Whitebeard and Roger's son, which would end up causing chaos since he owned a lot of turf. Not to mention that it brought about the climb of Blackbeard, who's strange ability of having two devil fruits has made him a scary and mysterious super power in the New World, potentially the strongest yonkou.

I talked a lot about that so I'll sum up the next point briefly. Oda introduced a seemingly meaningless whale for a character's backstory that didn't come up till 9 years later. Not to mention how well planned out and hinted at the void century and the ancient weapons.

One Piece as a long running shonen has a lot of little issues due to the monotony of going as long as it does and being familiar with how it tells its story. But a lack of progression or planning it is not.

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I actually really like Choujin Gakuen's fights. super duper stylized, but I dig that kind of dynamism.

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>>142986215

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>>142985518
Agreed but at least they are fun to look at

>>142985439
I don't even follow any of them anymore, but Naruto was definitely not the best of the big three.

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I wouldn't pretend it's the "best" but it's nice that someone out there is drawing blow-by-blow fights like this

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>>142985354
>Giving love to an artist who draws reaction faces and blank backgrounds for most of his manga

>>142986452
if this guy just drew an MMA manga, it would be magnitudes better. Featuring regular people or gigantic muscle-giants, whatever. Just fuck off with everything else besides the close-quarters-combat.

>>142985896
Keep in mind that all happened like...10 years ago. He probably hadn't become the hell raiser he is now. Look at all the shit Luffy did within the span of a year. I imagine every year shanks is out at sea he got more and more based.

>>142986452
his fights are good because the way he draws his action lines is such that it's literally a part of the characters doing the action itself, and it flows right down to the meaty punch

Not a big fan of how he panels the action though, but the artist does a fantastic job at really showing how heavy the punches are

>>142973677
Its been a while since I've read RK but I remember really liking the action.

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>>142960549

>>142983885
underated

>>142983318
>>142984647
Way better animation than Dragon Ball Super.

>>142973677
The live action movie had better fights than the manga.
>>142985919
I remember reading Vagabond immediately after RK and noticing just how much Inoue could actually draw.

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Once upon a time, Toriko used to have actually good fights, instead of just spamming super-moves back and forth that pierce the planet.

In the next few pages after this, I love how Tommyrod eats another kugi punch, but grabs Toriko's arm, and they BOTH go pinwheeling off from the aftershocks.

>>142985510
Well, the Ginyu Force was going to murder them...

>>142960464
Should have posted Luffy vs Lucci instead, that was some top fucking tier fist fighting

>>142984647
Woli was a terrible character, goddamn.

>>142984801
Yeah Oda hyper-compressed his style. While we still get cool pages like

>>142982727

They are few and far between.

>>142992352
It kinda hurts how badly Toriko squandered it's potential. It's still really interesting and fun sometimes, but it really felt like it was going to be great in that arc.

>>142982188
>Rocket Punch
>Wha

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>ctrl + f blade of the immortal
>0 results
Goddamn /a/, that is just insulting. This manga has by far, the best fight scene I have ever read in any other manga. The fights felt so fluid , that there were times I forgot I was reading a manga, and not watching an animation.

>>142985194
Please post the next page.

>>142959477
Hunter x Hunter, Jojo, and Hajime no Ippo are the only shonen with consistently enjoyable fight scenes. Disregarding any pacing issues in "Drag-In-Ball Z," almost all of Toriyama's Z-Era fights just came down to which saiyan had the biggest power level along with which character could scream the loudest/disengage the largest energy beam, with all of the really unique attacks, such as Yamcha's Spirit Ball, Tien's Multi-Form, and the Evil Containment Wave becoming invalid before Raditz appears. No one in the manga fights like they have a brain or even applies a basic level of teamwork. So much pain could have been saved through a Solar Flare, Destructo Disk combination from Krillin, but the heroes will actually stand around and wait for the arc villains to finish their transformations.

As for the HST, I'm generally tempted to outright skip through the longwinded, repetitive fights from One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach.

>>142994478
>Hunter x Hunter
Please refer to >>142966455
and get some taste.

>>142994586
Yu Yu Hakusho fights were weighed down by the fact that many of them, particularly throughout the Dark Tournament, involved random jobbers with no emotional connection to their opponents, but it was step up from how Toriyama began to do things, in that Kurama, and even Yusuke, regularly won their fights through the use of strategy. With Hunter x Hunter this became the general rule, and I can count the number of fights that seem pointless, such as Gon vs the Owl and Bat Chimera Ants, on one hand. Very good pacing, as well, and each of the characters possess very unique fighting styles, though this is something Togashi had managed by Yu Yu Hakusho, as well.

>>142994478
>Jojo
>enjoyable fight scenes
Come on, all it comes down to is Araki drawing some incomprehensible mess and then explaining to us what the fuck all of that meant with a shitton of exposition.
It has its charm, and the strategies are interesting, but the panels flow horribly. It did get better with SBR though, I particularly enjoyed Ringo's fight.

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>>142994845
Yu Yu Hakusho/HxH fights are weighed down by the fact that they are poorly drawn and have terrible fight choreography

ftfy

>but it was step up from how Toriyama began to do things
Top kek you wish.

>regularly won their fights through the use of strategy. With Hunter x Hunter this became the general rule
Not really. Gon-san vs Pitou, Biscuit vs Bara, Uvogin vs the Shadow Beasts, Kurapika vs Uvogin and Hisoka vs two of the spiders in the latest chapter etc.

>>142991843
>The live action movie had better fights than the manga
I liked the movies too but it's not nice to lie

>>142995491
Is that page from the volumes?

>>142984211
Tenjo Tenge was almost impossible to read for me.

>>142995491
>Gon-san vs Pitou
Yeah. That was an asspull.

>Biscuit vs Bara
"Fight" against a henchman overshadowed by the one again Genthru. Hisoka vs the two spiders wasn't really a fight either, and we have no idea how he even dispatched either of them.

>Uvogin vs the Shadow Beasts
A stomp, but an entertaining stomp. Togashi just decided to go all out by coming up with the weirdest and most disgusting abilities. Toriyama, Kubo, or Kishimoto would have just used a bunch of generically powerful mid-bosses.

>Kurapika vs Uvogin
Big thing in this fight was Kurapika's use of a real chain to hide the actual nature of his nen. This was clever.

>Top kek you wish.
That Toriyama actually utilized more than a handful of characters and diversified the manner in which they attacked? I certainly do. What's weird is that he was actually going in the right direction with Future Trunks, an efficient, pragmatic fighter, only to take away his most notable weapon after a single fight, to make him just like every other jobber. He could have at least kept the Dodon Ray around; it's another beam, but its visually distinctive and given its status as more powerful than the Kamehameha, the lack of its appearance, much as with most actions performed by the fighters, made no sense.

There was no single explicit shark jumping moment, but many of the problems with Dragon Ball became more and more prominent as early as the Frieza Saga.

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any anwer other than imai kami is fucking wrong

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>>142995491
They aren't drawn or choreographed badly at all though. The action is always clear and flows well. Recently his chapters haven't been very polished, whether it's because of laziness or illness, and the tactics are complex, but the movement itself is always easy to follow.

>>142996757
I like the way Hisoka transcends the panels and his aura is used to border the top panels.

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>>142996831
Togashi often splits panels up by superimposing drawings over them, it looks cool.

>>142997057
can't get over his two left feet.

>>142997237
I hate that I can't unsee it, it's such a great spread otherwise.

>>142964430
No one reads dragon ball past namek though. in fact, as far as I am confirmed, it ended during the saiyan arc.

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man-gatarou is best

>>142994049
A couple of us said Samura.

>>142994845
Simply "strategy" does not make it entertaining. The most recent fight had a lot of strategy, but it just wasn't fun to read.

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Its gook stuff and its not the best, but one of my favorite

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>>142998527
>using decapitated heads as bowling balls
>Chrollo throwing bodies at Hisoka
>Hisoka using bodies as a hammer
>not fun

It's complicated and wordy, sure, but just wait til it's revealed that it was secretly 5v1 and the explanations for Chrollo's ability were all just part of the keikaku.

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My Tsugumomo niggas. Never have I found such a well blended manga with divine lewdness, substantial plot, and just top tier art.

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>>142997436
> it ended during the saiyan arc

Wtf why? I can understand wanting to end it after the Freeza or Cell arcs but not the Saiyan arc. So much is left unresolved.

>>142961063
I can't take that art seriously.

>>142995899
Yes.

>>142996489
Big thing in this fight was Kurapika's OP ability Emperor Time which pretty much gave Uvogin no chance of winning with "strategy"
ftfy

>"Fight" against a henchman overshadowed by the one again Genthru.
Still a fight.

More fights that didn't have strategy.
Gon vs Hanzo, Killua vs Zushi, Kite vs Yunju, Phantom Troupe vs Chimera Ants(except for Shizuku fight), Chrollo vs Silva and Zeno etc

>That Toriyama actually utilized more than a handful of characters
This coming from someone defending HxH? When was the last time Kurapika and Leorio had a fight? Wait has Leorio even had a single fight in this series yet?

>diversified the manner in which they attacked?
Except Toriyama does exactly this, there are even examples in this thread it just not as prominent as series such as JoJo because Dragon Ball focuses is on martial arts not abstract abilities.

All in all your posts just reek of someone who doesn't remember much about the series.

>>142996757
>They aren't drawn or choreographed badly at all though
Yeah, yeah there are with few exceptions here and there.

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>>142999540

>>142999248
>tfw Flute pissed herself
Delicious

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>>142999445
Make more sense now?

You can take it completely seriously after a chapter or two if you're not consciously choosing to ridicule it. That being said, the specific page that the person you're replying to posted is abnormally bizarre even for the series.

>>142998527
>Simply "strategy" does not make it entertaining
This, lots of people act like a fight is only good if it's strategic which is stupid and narrow minded as hell. There are many ways to skin a cat.

no battle angel alita?

>>142985031
I love Vegeta. He does straight away what everyone else is internally screaming at main characters.

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Since every other series in here has gotten to do it, I might as well post a small part of one Baki fight sequence.

>>142984424
>>142984475
>>142984512
>>142984548
This looks good, is it worth reading? I also saw there's a sequel but nobody scanlated that.

>>143001260
gunnm was GOAT tier until the post-typhares upper strata arc
once they got to space it lost all of its romance

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Holyland makes me want to learn boxing just because of how realistic it presents it.

>>143001209
Don't you know? Complexity is quality, and things can only be good by being intellectual.

>>143001889
It's pretty good. Scanlations for the original are still ongoing (and are only 17 volumes into ~50), so you don't really need to worry about the sequel for a long time yet.

This thread still up, good

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>>142993488
It really fucking was.

>>142959477
Nakaba.

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Ohtaka

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>>143002482
Not the best page you could have picked.

>>142959828
Nakaba doesn't produce the same amount of 3D depth to his scenes.
Toriyama has his stronger characters actually physically moving trough large landscapes, and he always shows how they moved.
Most mangakas has this problem where they are essentially using characters who don't move during combat, except for attacks that sends anything flying.

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I use it as my wallpaper

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>>143002787

>>142982651
>One Piece is actually really good at one type of fight though, fucking one hit punches. You can feel the weight really well.
It gets repetetive since he has only a limited number of moves and perspectives with those scenes.

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>>143002814
>>143002889
>Suddenly stops drawing background in order to avoid having to deal with depth or 3D movement

>>143002787
>>143002889
No, anon. Fights in Magi are almost always confusing.

>>143001486
>I love Vegeta. He does straight away what everyone else is internally screaming at main characters.

>Man, Vegeta is so badass. He kills guys who are way weaker than him, or literally unconscious that some other dude beat up.

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>>143003049

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He bites and pulls the wire which triggers his cannon arm to fire, before being hit by the wheel.

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>>143003104
He's thrown upwards and pulled by the flying Apostle that has him trapped in chains. The momentum of the cannon blast blows him 180* and he swings the Dragonslayer at the flying Apostle.

Miura isn't just a good artist, his choreography is pretty good too.

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>>143003104
Then why do you need to explain it?

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>>143001118
>>142999445
>>142961063
To be fair, he's trying to fuck with you each chapter.

>>143003189
I don't need to. Didn't just want to post pictures with no text tho

>>143003189
because he's posting single pages instead of the whole sequence. Second page is clear enough that the cannon is being used in conjuction with centrifugal force but first page is just a spread of big guy getting shot without the context of the previous page.

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>>143002920
>Suddenly stops drawing background
Don't most mangaka do this for certain parts of the fight?

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>>143003253
They do. Buts its one of the few parts that you can tell the difference between of skilled a mangaka is in 3D.
Its one of the few things that can't be hidden by having enough assistents.

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>>143003321

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>>143003366

Togashi
Good flow, very dynamic.

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>>143003498
>Togashi
Top kek

>>143002565
>>143002920
>>143003325
>3D depth to his scenes.
>skilled a mangaka is in 3D.
Any example of this?

>>142966382
wow this is bad

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>>143003582
Are you the same retard who keeps posting pictures from the end of YYH like it means anything, even though Togashi is infamous for having thrown in the towel completely at that point? He was done with it.

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>>143003498
my nigga

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>>142984301
The manga certainly did well enough for around 10 years and 100 chapters or so without it.

Hell, this is from before the art really started to pick up.

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>>143003713
Nihei has good grasp of architecture, but his fight scenes is still mostly as bad as everyone else.
Generally whenever a giant shows up, you get to see how his skill shines. Because in very few other mangas, movement/logistics of ants is ever considered properly.

Kishimoto really wanted to become Toriyama 2.0, but either Naruto killed his ambition, or he peaked as a artist.

Toriyama is very good at 3D. Reading any of the sagas past the second tournament is amazing, just from how much 3D there is in the movement.
The fact he is good at weird design and robots also improves the experience.

Then we have the mangas where the mangaka realizes they are better of using a series of afterimages to show movement, instead of using many panels for the same.
Berserk and The Worlds Strongest Disicple is one of those mangas where I can remember it being used to any effect.

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>>143004139
>Nihei has good grasp of architecture, but his fight scenes is still mostly as bad as everyone else

>Killy vs Schiff happened
>Abara happened
>part of Biomega happened

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>>143003800
>mfw this retard thinks the rest of YYH and HxH doesn't look like shit as well

>>143004139
Those monster designs are cool as fuck.

>>143004139
Blame has the most mind blowinb architecture I've ever seen.

>>143004221
Look at your own picture. The background is avoided.

>>143004322
>Killy uses the wall behind him to smash Schiff's skull in
>background is 'avoided'
I don't think you know what 3D means

>>143004360
Panel 1: You see a dark siluette and background
Panel 2: Background is somehow a wall
Panel 3: Kilei has still not moved his legs,
Panel 4: FACE ZOOOOM for PUNCH
Nihei is a extremely good artist, but he has his flaws.

>>143004139
>but his fight scenes is still mostly as bad as everyone else.
So you think only Toriyama has good fight scenes? (in terms of visuals)

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>>143003582
Are you retarded?

>>143004449
>actually giving autists attention
Stop that

>>143004449
That's not very good.

>>143004449
Looks like shit

>>143004445
You haven't seen extremely bad fight scenes until you see a Shoujo manga try to do one longer than 1-2 pages of Judo throws.
Most mangakas that do fight scenes are "mediocre". They do some things right, and some things bad.
In the extreme you have Kubo who avoid drawing background in order to avoid dealing with it.
But seriously, read like volume 1 of mangas like Angel Sanctuary if you want to see horrible fight scenes.
Sure she gets better at drawing as it goes on, but volume 1-2 is a horrid mess.

>>143004516
>>143004535
>Salty Chrollofag tears
You are more desperate than you appear to be.

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>>143004235
Do you have any idea what this thread is even about? It's about action scenes. That means paneling, composition, movement, flow, clarity, weight, etc. Not making everything as polished and detailed as possible to appeal to retards who know jack shit about art. He has sporadic issues with a lack of detail but that stems from his work ethic and ethic problems, he has no issues with conveying movement and creating technically good fightscenes. Sports scenes too.

>>143004416
You don't seem to understand what's happening. Killy is throwing Schiff up over his shoulder. He moves in every panel on that page.

>Nihei is a extremely good artist, but he has his flaws.
no shit, but 3D motion isn't one of them

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>>143004139
>Toriyama is very good at 3D
Is this what you mean?

>>143004623
Work ethic and health problems I mean

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>>143004616
Why would a Chrollofag not like that fight, faggot?

>>143004616
I don't even know what Chrollo is, but this guy needs to calm down with the fucking speed lines: >>143004623

It really isn't very good.

>>143004635
Its part of what I mean. I can think of very few mangas where characters actually interact with the landscape they move in.
There is a reason many mangas have fight on completely flat landscapes, or fly during battle.

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>>143004623
Still shit

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>>143004685

>>142959477
I love Nihei but I can never tell what the fuck is going on in his fight scenes

>>143004747
You might be the only one who cares about that anon.

Toriyama is the best I've seen. His understanding of visual flow is borderline perfect.

>>143004706
>>143004743
What's wrong with it?

>>143004819
It's just a bunch of speedlines surrounding a guy wiffing a volleyball over to some other dude.
There's no choreoraphy at all in that page, and unless it's a crop- that's a fucking spread just used for speedlines, explosions, and white background.
The most interesting part is the kid getting knocked on his ass which the fish-eye lens interaction.
And then you look at the shoe of guy who's receiving the serve and the picture becomes kind of disgusting.

>>143004706
>>143004954
>using speedlines on a scene showing a ball headed in a straight line at top speed, in full force, is bad
You are a moron. It's no more than Toriyama would use, they are important for showing movement. The page is good because of the composition rather than the choreography since it's just a straight volleyball shot, but the perspective, paneling and lines all draw your eye exactly where it needs to go to flow well and create a clear sense of weight.

Some people are so utterly brainwashed by memes that they really have to nitpick at everything Togashi draws, it's retarded.

>>142985919
This, the level of artistic skill for Vagabond always take me by surprise. Somehow it always ends up better then I remember it.

>>143005070
It really is quite bad though, and anon asked me to explain why I thought it was bad.
Normally I wouldn't be so judgemental of a single page of a manga; however, yes, using this much fucking speedline templates is bad. It just looks awful.
I'd rather he just left the background blank then fill it with this shit.

>>143005070
>wah wah l-leave Togashi alone

Yusuke Murata is my favorite
I've not seen any other artist use perspective, speed lines, blur and tilt like he does.

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>>143005159
Your bizarre pet peeves don't change the fact that the speedlines are the most technically effective and impactful way of conveying that sort of direct, high speed movement. They are a staple of the medium, as anyone going to criticize something like pic related? Of course not, because it's using speedlines correctly and in a similar way, except that it's showing the force of the blast rather than the force propelling it.

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>>143005252
>literally no argument
autism at its finest

>>143005346
I don't know man. I think posting single panels is a pretty bad way of showing "this person is good at drawing fights"
If you wanted to actually convince anyone that this guy is good at drawing fight sequences, you should post the whole thing stitched together or in sequential posts so that you can tie it all together.
That page you just posted looks pretty bad on its own as well.