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What does the grammar とした mean again

使用済み
用済み

>>142885773
you can't learn

>>142885773
俺の娘のバージニティをとした

Like that

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おはようおにいちゃん

あのね

ううんなんでもない

>>142885882
I still don't get it. You tried her virginity?

Does anyone else feel like this language is a shitty puzzle game you have to sit down and think really hard about only to realize afterwards you will never know if you got it right on your own?

I can't understand sentences if a textbook doesn't chew them down and spit them into my mouth and feel like garbage about it.

>ざんがるぼい
Zangaruboyって
なんかかっこいい

>>142885912
Nah, it's pretty easy.

>>142885912
Try learning an actual hard language like Latin. Literally the only difficult thing about Japanese is kanji.

>>142885903
Suck my chinpo whoreslut.

>>142885961
>throwing in a bunch of additional conjugation rules for sex/number/person makes the language harder
It's literally just a few days of practice. Doesn't even compare to something like Japanese.

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>>142885961
>church latin
>hard

>>142885911
I was joking

Why not just google it if you don't understand it, there are a million grammar guides and forums that cover it

>>142886020
It's because he wants to interact with his /djt/ buddies man, can't you try being a little more welcoming?

>>142886020
this
>>142886051

I learn better by talking to friendly humans than reading boring wall of texts you know. Won't you help me anon?

>>142886051
>Wanting to interact with djt

NANDEYANEN

>>142886082
とする has a lot of uses. If you post the sentence you saw it would be easier to help you.

>>142886082
Well I mostly encounter it as "to decide to do something", it shows that someone has made the decision that they want to do a verb but haven't yet done it, or are just about to do it

Most of the time I see it in the context of "just as he decided to stick his dick in the hole, a knife came out and stabbed in the urethra", that sort of shit

It has other uses though that's just the one I think is most common

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>>142885912
Take a text translated into English and parse every sentence. Do it a lot.

>>142886293
木刀で殴りかかろうとした沙紅羅の動きは、村崎が身を庇ったエコバッグを見て止まった。

必須
急須

>>142886327
volitional+とする means "to try" or "is about to"

What are the differences between により、によって、による? I can't get my head around it

>>142886327
This と is used as a noun phrase maker and modifying した.
した is "did" but used as a noun modifier modifying 動き here.

>>142886446
They're basically the same thing.

>>142886446
What is the actual usage?
Off the top of my head, より and よって mean same but よる is modifying a noun.

>watch Steve video
>"I know 25000 words in [language]
>wow so impressive!!!
>"oh by the way, this count includes inflected forms"

When did you realize Steve is a fraud?

>>142886554
He doesn't automatically count all inflections and conjugations, only ones he actually manually memorizes, so it's not as bad as it seems (though it's still bad)

>>142886554
So 10 conjugations of 食べる counts as 10 words?
That means he knows about 2500 words which is the average for polyglot swindlers who can say いい天気だね in 20 languages.

乙かれ様

>>142886638
乙彼様

>>142886684
乙カレー様

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>>142886638
お通カレー佐間

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>>142886593
>polyglot swindlers
i guess im gonna have to learn 'ive been had' in 20 languages instead of 'but its raining'

>>142886638
尾津家差魔

なあんで死なないの～

丸秘

How many friends do YOU have on line?

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>>142887266
Huh, 4chan ate the other character, even though the IME can generate it fine.

>>142887279
>Being friends with リア充

>>142887309
4chan eats emojis on purpose

>>142887350
kinda glad about that... 西村 博之 orz

>>142887490
Who is Nishimura Hakukore?

>>142887244
エピック・ポスト

>>142888363
三級

>Find out after years of reading that 態とらしい
doesn't mean "on purpose" and is not a synonym of 態と.
This is why the immersion+no anki method is bullshit. You can't guess the meaning of words.

>>142888556
You could always, you know, use a dictionary

Do you only get your definitions of words from anki?

>>142888724
Based on the fact that he used kanji for something that's never written in kanji, he probably did only learn it from anki.

>>142888556
わざとらしい means pretty much exactly what you'd fucking expect from putting わざと and らしい together, what are you talking about

Got up to the point where the night starts in leyline after a few hours of reading. I only know like a thousand words and I've never read anything properly in japanese before, just used rikai on the web. How am I doing?

>>142885903
use kanji you fucking casual

>>142888880
>few hours of reading
Sorry, I meant on and off, not concentrated. So it was probably more like an hour of effort total, or a little less, just in terms of a guess.

>>142888880
If you stop shitposting and go back to reading you'll be doing fine

>>142888961
Unfortunately I'm going to bed. That's why I decided to come here.

>>142888984
>going to bed

dekinai

>>142889007
>not sleeping properly
enjoy your shitty memory

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>>142889146
not him but i stay awake 25/8 and my memory is just fine. 問題ない

nazeomaerahanihongodekakanainoka?dekinainoka?

>>142889386
wakarimasenwwwwwkanjidekaitekudadai

>>142889386
何を言うっているの

>>142889455
>leaving う
back to the drawing board

>>142889455
nannwoittennoyo

Sorry, minasan, can i ask a silly question about Japanease? The thing is naitives pronounce OU like long O, but it's strange i hear exactly OU in many cases. Can it be?

>>142889723
>The thing is naitives pronounce OU like long O
Not always.
>Can it be?
Yes.

>>142889723
Kill yourself

>>142889723
If the う is at the end of a verb it will usually be pronounced as う

>show group of Japanese friends screenshots of Dies Irae
>「なにこれw」「普通つかわへんｗ」

kek

Don't read Chuuni VNs if you want to learn real Japanese.

>>142889794
Who the fuck reads Dies Irae to learn Japanese?It's something you read after you learned a decent chunk of Japanese already for enjoyment, not study.

Fucking awful post. Delete this.

Is it possible to run the cards thing in OSX using Wine or something similar? I really don't feel like using Windows.

>>142889838
>reading Dies Irae for enjoyment
I've got some bad news for you...

>>142885993
How about Russian?

>>142889867
>learning Japanese for amumu content

>>142889882
Why would anyone learn a Slav language?

>>142889859
You're looking for Anki? There's a version of that for all OS.

>>142889943
Because it is often considered to be hard to learn.

>Japanese grammar is simple therefore Japanese is simple!

The simplicity of the grammar is what makes reading the language difficult.

Complex grammar is a godsend when you start reading and need to figure out the meaning of the sentence.

>>142889438
iyaaakanjihamuzukashisugirudayo.hiraganamowww

>>142889978
dattaramouikkaibenkyouseyo

>>142889978
>>142890027
I'm kind of surprised at how easy these are to read

I guess Japanese has trained me in the ways of spacelessness

>>142890281
youdbesurprisedathoweasyitcanberven8fistartshittinfallovermyheuvoatddnfyo6hsbeypgursswhatinactusllyintediubgtopteas

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could you also say

母から読み書きを習いました。

or do you need に

>>142889882
I still have flashbacks about learning Russian at school. Helped me later on with math linguistics but still not the best experience.

If you're looking for a challenge then Polish or Ukrainian are probably harder than Russian.

>>142889723
http://www.imabi.net/l1pronunciation.htm

CTRL+F for:
Spelling Issues: "ei" & "ou"

>>142886320

What the FUCK am I looking at.

Please don't tell me those are all correct possibilities for the sentence you wrote.

>>142890467
I can attest that Polish is pretty fucked up with very irregular inflection (even well-educated people make mistakes), but from what I heard Hungarian is the most fucked up European language (e.g. it has almost 20 grammatical cases for nouns).

>>142891203
The first two are obvious, the rest are bullshit.

>>142891203
Red headed fish eating cat.

>>142891213
>Hungarian
>European language

>>142889975

> Japaneae grammar is simple

Hey. Hey. You there. Yeah, you.

FUCK YOU.

Japanese grammar is a fucking mess that can be interpreted 10 different ways if shown to non-fluent people.

>>142891378

What other languages have you tried to learn/know?

>>142891308

Oh you motherfucker. I see this problem transfers to English as well if you don't use enough words to clarify.

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Does anyone have an opinion on wanikani.com?

>>142891346
Maybe you are mistaking Hungary for some other country. See the map in link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary

>>142891420

Irrelevant.

>>142891517
Hungarians came to Europe from the far east, and the Hungarian language pretty much has zero connection to other European languages.

>>142891512
The consensus here is that it's really bad. Might as well use anki it's better and free

>>142891378
I don't think so, and I'm not fluent.

If I had to say what SEEMS to be the hardest thing about it is that people can't try to think in their language's equivalents, japanese words and particles in general have a very distinct meaning but that's probably unlike anything in YOUR language.

When you start trying not to think what it means in your language, but "thinking" in japanese, everything makes much more sense.

殴る蹴るの暴行

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>>142891517
The Hungarians live in Europe now, but they were originally a nomadic people who came from somewhere around the Ural Mountain region.

Here is a map of the other languages Hungarian is related to.

>>142891308
Shouldn't it be either

Red-headed fish eating cat.

Red-headed, fish-eating cat.

and then it wouldn't be up for interpretation.

>>142891512
It's good if you're the kind of person who needs constant positive reinforcement, a progression system and colourful pictures in order to learn something

If you don't give a fuck about that shit then it's just a really slow, expensive and uncustomizable version of Anki

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>>142891517
>>142891648
Here's a picture of the location of the Ural Mountains, for reference.

>>142885711
Fukken saved

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>>142891213
>but from what I heard Hungarian is the most fucked up European language
Finnish seems worse.

>>142891648
Finno-Ugric connection is a complete lie fabricated to destroy our true ancestry. The origin of Hungarians is much further to the east, as we are descendants of Japanese explorers coming to the Asian mainland. This is also the reason why it's so easy for Hungarians to learn Japanese, as we are simply remembering what we already knew once thousands of years ago.

is the scratching the doorknob meme still alive or dead

>>142891581

Tbh I think wanikani is not actually that awful, but four things hold it back.

1. Too slow. You cannot dictate your own pace.
2. Free resources are better. If you want to do a radical-mnemonic method then koohii is superior due to the community stories for basically every kanji. If you want to learn vocab you are better off mining it. If you want an SRS Anki is better than theirs.
3. Hard to transition. When you finish all wanikani has to offer, you are left without a solid path to go down.
4. Costs money. I suppose this is superfluous since it is worse than free alternatives anyway, but it is not free, unlike anki & friends.

All of this said, while it is an inferior resource in almost every way, you could do a lot worse. It is not comparable to something like Rosetta Stone, for example.

>>142891951
Dead, but not as dead as rubbing orange juice on the doorknob

>>142891581
>>142891703
Owl-poster here, thanks for the helpful feedback.

If anyone knows how to into anki on an Android device please let me know. I'm having a hell of a time getting the Core2k/6k deck.

>>142891565
I meant it as a language used in Europe. Well fuck me for forgetting that the thread is full of armchair linguists.

>>142892023
Unless you've got more cute owl pictures I'm afraid I can't help you

>>142892023
I go to the anki website and do reps from there when I'm on my phone

>>142892023
I just installed ankidroid, downloaded the deck from the guide and imported into anki and am going with it while reading TK
My real concern is how in fuck am I supposed to start reading on a mobile without wanting to kill myself

What is the different between 「赤い」,「赤色」, and「丹色」?

>>142892327
Red (adjective)
Red color
Don't know the last one

>>142891794
What is it supposed to be? Some steps seem like the shit all agglutinative languages e.g. Japanese do (like the longest words on the very right), but some transitions like 'to visit' into 'to use' can't possibly be because of some grammar rule. Seems more like maybe they are the etymological roots or something? If that is the case then you can make similar graphs in every agglutinative language.

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>>142892133

>>142885773
XをYとする=To consider X as Y

>>142892520
Thanks man that's pretty damn adorable

Dunno how to help though really I just wanted owl pics

>>142886446
により and によって are continuative and they link to a verb
による modifies a noun.

イエスによって救われた人類。　
人類はイエスによる救いをいただきました。

>>142891378
As long as you understand that the end of a clause it's a verb, you're all set

>>142892520
Try telling where you're stuck
Did you install ankidroid?
Can't download core?
Can't import into anki?

Who here studied for years but only became fluent after living there?

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>>142892327
Rikai says 丹 means rust-colored.

>>142892327

red (adjective)
red (noun)
cinnibar/rust

>>142892455
>some transitions like 'to visit' into 'to use' can't possibly be because of some grammar rule.
Yep. Maybe they have a common root, but as far as I know they just sound a bit similar.

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When you've got a deck which has two card types but only one note type, is there any way to delete just one of the card types?

When I sort the deck to show only card type A, then select all those cards and delete them, it also deletes all the type B cards for some stupid reason.

>>142892918
It’s cinnibar.

>>142892999
I'm not good at color names, I don't even know what cinnibar is in my native language.

>>142892971
Go to the browser and click on the "Cards..." button, then delete the card template there.

What's your preferred Japanese pronoun?

>>142893355

拙者

>>142893355
それ

>>142893355
アタックヘリコプター

>>142892971

go to your deck browser and sort by type

just suspend all Type x cards and they shouldn't show up anymore

>>142893355
http://www.strawpoll.me/10413958

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>>142893355
僕
i'm serious

>>142893424
>no オラ

>>142892875
Finally figured it out, the problem was that I needed to download the deck through the mega upload app. I was just trying to get it straight from the browser.

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>>142893105
Doesn't let me.

>>142893504
That's weird. That's exactly how I removed the cloze/production type of cards from the DOJG deck.

>>142893504 again
Just tested it with the card type that I DON'T want to delete and for some reason it lets me delete that card type. What the fuck?

>>142893532
See: >>142893538

I does work for one card type but not the other for some strange reason. I can't understand why.

>>142893434
Turbo fag.

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>>142893355

>>142893611
You could try the suspend method then that another anon suggested.

I checked out that reddit "V2K" deck. Seems not too bad, except:

1. No example sentences. One could argue this is not a big deal but I think it is important for newbies to have some context for the words since they likely will not be doing any actual reading yet and will otherwise have nothing to connect the words to actual usage.
2. The card format has furigana on the front which makes it pretty pointless. That can easily be changed though.

I think the ideal newbie deck would just be a proper reordering of Core to not be shit.

>>142893355
私

>>142893638
>furigana on front
reddit is truly dekinai

>>142893636
The suspended cards still show up in KanjiGrid, which is the problem I'm trying to solve by deleting them.

>>142893638
It's like they don't want to learn anything.

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i think i've finally reached the point where i've run out of non-seasonal anime i want to watch

>>142893504
Some of the note must use only this specific note type. I'm not sure how you should go about hunting them down.

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Google knows.

>>142893781
I doubt it.

>>142893786
I know which ones they are, but there are something like 600 of them and they're scattered throughout the deck, so manually deleting them all is out of the question.

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>>142893827

> mfw I can only read Park Square and Center in that image

>>142893487
Ah, I remember having trouble with that

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僕はかっこいいでしょ。っていうか、クールだ。ちゅ

>>142893850
Leave them and delete one at the time as you encounter them.

If they all have one field empty (shouldn't it be the reason they don't have the other card type?), or one field with the same annotation or something like this (how do you know which ones they are?) you could try filtering only them in browser and deleting.

Move all the cards of the type you don't won't into another deck. This won't delete or move the whole note, and if Kanji Grid can be limited to only one deck then your problem would be solved, but you would be forever left with one additional deck.

>>142893903

I can make out 現地購?買センター

I just meant that it was giving me Japanese stuff now that it sees me going to Japanese websites and whatnot. Botnet is cool.

>膾炙
>meaning: household word, well-known
>2x hyougai kanji
Is this irony?

>>142894003
Could you tell me some japanese sites?

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>>142894000
>If they all have one field empty (shouldn't it be the reason they don't have the other card type?)
It's the opposite, unfortunately. The ones which I need to delete don't have a counterpart of the other card type because the other card type would have an empty field for the front side of the card.

>how do you know which ones they are?
Pic related. See the chunks of suspended cards with no unsuspended ones between them? Those are the ones I need to delete.

>>142894044
>using jisho for words that aren't used outside of certain set phrases

「膾炙」の「膾」は、なますのことで、細かく切った肉や魚のこと。
「炙」は、あぶった肉のこと。なますも炙り肉もごちそうで、誰の口にもおいしく感じられ、もてはやされることから。

>>142894154
The fuck nigga this thread aint for chinese

>>142894171
Yeah, I saw it in the 人口に膾炙する phrase and was wondering what it meant.

>>142894201
It's a kanji deck.

>>142894045

Uh, I don't really have any recommendations sorry. I mostly just meant clicking on random livedoor links, listening to and watching stuff on japanese youtube, using japanese google image search for words, etc.

>>142894230
You mean a hanzi deck

>>142894154
>It's the opposite, unfortunately. The ones which I need to delete don't have a counterpart of the other card type because the other card type would have an empty field for the front side of the card.
I'm a fucking idiot. There was an empty field. I don't know what I was thinking when I typed this out.

Anyway, problem solved. I just had to search
>English:
in the browser and that filtered out all the cards with nothing in the English field (the ones I needed to delete).

Thanks >>142894000

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>it's a 佐田篤弘 obliterating people left, right and center episode

I've been doing the KanjiDamage anki deck for a few months and I'm 1500 cards in but I'm starting to feel like I'm getting a lot more benefit from vocab decks instead recently. Do you guys think it would be a waste to drop the KD deck at this point or should I just push through?

>>142894690
Don't you only have like 200 cards left?

>>142894635
Irrelevant to both anime and Japanese learning. Reported.

>>142894690
I'm pretty sure KanjiDamage only teaches 1700 kanji so it would be pretty dumb to drop it at 1500. Assuming you're doing 20 cards a day, you have less than 3 weeks left until you finish it.

>>142894635
A-are they making かけうどん?

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What does this say?

>>142894487
No problem. That's what the thread is for, to help learners.

>>142894792
Why would we help you if you're too lazy to even post it right side up

>>142894792
"I can't write for shit so I'll just vomit some unreadable mess on the paper so it looks artsy"

>>142894809
彼ではないが聖人ですアノんさん

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>>142894872
Happy?

>>142894935
Yes. You've confirmed that you don't know any japanese and are just begging for a translation, and therefore we have no reason to help you.

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>>142894935
>>142894989
Please ignore the troll, that wasn't my post.

>>142894712
>>142894742
The deck I have has 3500 cards so I still have around 2k to go. It's called "KanjiDamage Reordered"

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If you can't find a VN in nyaa or anime-sharing where do you go to find it?

>>142895067
You buy it.

>>142892862
>>142891639
>>142891420

based beginners

>>142895067
Maybe try googling a torrent idk fampai

>>142895083
I'm seriously thinking about it but I hate that I'd also have to buy a psp.
>>142895101
I found torrents on random sites but I can't tell if it's shady or not.

>>142895094
It is though.

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>>142895067
[name of game] トレント

>>142895128
I mean the odds of that specific torrent having malware can't be that high, right..?

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>>142895157

>1700*2=3600
>deletes post

>>142895129
You're either so advanced that you don't remember how much of a pain it was to get to your level or you're a beginner.

>>142895026
Since 3500 / 2 = 1750, I'm going to go ahead and guess this means the deck has both recognition and production cards and that you've been doing both types when you should've actually suspended/deleted one or the other.

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Is Japan behind the rest of the world in torrents? Newly released books over here pretty much instantly have epubs up everywhere, yet I can't find things that are already a year or older on nyaa, or if I find them they're only there as screenshots of the pages (lol).

Is nyaa the largest tracker they use, or something else sekrit?

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>>142895211
>someone saw it

>>142895020
upside down senpai

>>142895246
as far as i know, Share is still where everything is uploaded first

>>142895214
Would you help me out?
If you are talking about のに、が and all those, I think they are pretty obvious

>>142895214
It was definitely a pain to get to a good level with japanese but grammar was never really the hard part

>>142895225
This may be dumb to ask but what do you mean by recognition and production cards?

>>142895246
They have a big P2P network called Share. Nyaa is only for anime-related stuff, and most of those things come first in Share anyway.

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What does this say?

>>142895347
Recognition = see a kanji and recognise what it is (kanji -> meaning)
Production = see the meaning of a kanji and produce said kanji from memory (meaning -> kanji)

I'm pretty sure when you're doing KD or RTK, you're supposed to only do one method or the other. Heisig tells people in RTK to go the production route for reviewing kanji.

>>142895321
Yes, individual grammar points are simple to read about and understand. Now try actually reading native material.

>>142895343
Then what was difficult? You can look up any word or kanji by yourself. If you're having difficulty understanding the meaning of a sentence you have no choice but to find a Japanese person or someone who's at a higher level than you.

>>142895301
>>142895361
I didn't know about 'Share', googled and it seems interesting. Though it feels pretty early 2000 to be using a program for something like this. Guess I'll try it out

>>142895443
>produce said kanji from memory
i.e. write it out

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>>142895246
Would you steal a book from this guys shop? Then why would you do the same online?

>>142895449
But I am reading native material.

>learning kanji individually

please stop

What's the difference between Share and Perfect Dark?

>>142895502
And you're trying to tell me you don't constantly encounter ambiguity? Hard to believe your story. I've been studying for years and still encounter ambiguity that needs clarification from Japanese friends.

>>142895504
>learn two-kanji word word XY
>half a year later learn XZ
>continue to mix up XY and XZ for weeks
>half a year later learn VY and ZY
>now mix up all four words for while
If you learn kanji as part of vocab, you will always associate the kanji with the words where you first saw them.

>>142895246
Combination of harsh anti-piracy laws and Japs being technological illiterates who still use shitty Limewire-tier software.

>>142895271

Too cute.

>>142895575
Yes I do find them, sometimes I don't know if the head noun of a relative is the result, the agent, the subject, object etc...
Sometimes the grammar is weird and with slang it gets messy.
Generally the end of a clause is a verb which modifies a noun.
Also は fucks me up

Could you give me an example anyway?

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Okay, I found a working download for my VN. Here's hoping that it works and isn't full of malware.

>>142895656
You should also hope that it's in Japanese, and not a pre-applied chinese fan translation.

>>142895449
>Then what was difficult?
Listening, reading handwriting, speaking

Reading isn't really "difficult" per say it just takes tons of time and effort and practice.

>If you're having difficulty understanding the meaning of a sentence you have no choice but to find a Japanese person or someone who's at a higher level than you.

Or just skip it or whatever. After a year or so of reading you can usually figure out pretty much everything but you still have a while to go with vocab.

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What is ていう doing here? something to do with という？

>>142895764
Pretty much the same, it means quotation.

>>142895575
I wouldn't call ambiguity the result of the grammar being difficult. "It went there and did that thing" is a very ambiguous sentence with simple grammar.

>>142895764
>What's the king's game?
>It's: The one who can do the most King-like behaviour wins"

>>142895811
That's not ambiguous at all, it just lacks details.
For example in Japanese the sentence would lack the ' I ' part, so you would have to tell from context who actually did that. That's ambiguous.

>>142895764
Forgot to add this:
っていう=ということ in some instances

>>142895764
って is slang for と

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>when your mature cards surpass your young

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>>142895654
>Could you give me an example anyway?

Of an ambiguous sentence? I don't save them or anything. I get clarification and move on.

This is really the only example I remember.

>僕にとってのイコールなのだ

>most of the downloads failed
>pop-up with woman's voice says my computer has been infected with viruses (probably bullshit but I got out of there anyway and am cleaning my computer)
>no VN for you
Fine I'll buy it like god damn. Fuck me for getting into a series late and having all the legit links be dead.

>>142895443
Thanks. Ya that's basically what I've been doing. I feel pretty bad now considering that means I've wasted a ton of time and effort.
Should I just delete the other half of the cards from what's left and go from there?

>>142895656

Run it in a VM
If that fails, run it in Sandboxie
If that fails, make a snap decision as to whether or not your PC is worth the risk

My goal is to get to a level where I can read Fate CCC before the anime comes out next year

Can I do it boys. 2 months in already

>>142895874
>For example in Japanese the sentence would lack the ' I ' part, so you would have to tell from context who actually did that. That's ambiguous.

No that's just lacking details.

>>142896024
機械音痴

>>142896023
The thing that to me is equal
Because to me it is equal

?

>>142896070
I am sorry to tell you this, but no.
It takes a lot more time.
Don't give up anyway, the anime is not Extra CCC, it's a different universe

>>142896103
To me
Senjougahara's voice = faint "wakarimasen" when called on by teacher

>>142896103
No shit, but how do you translate the entire sentence?

>>142896031
>Should I just delete the other half of the cards from what's left and go from there?
Don't delete them in case you change your mind about which type you want to use, but suspending them seems like a good idea.

>>142896023
That sentence isn't really ambiguous, just long and complex. I had to reread it before getting it, but I can't think of any other way to interpret it.

>>142896023
Seems a bit like he's using イコール to mean "equal" as in "he's my equal", rather than as an adjective?

>>142896141
Don't tell me what I can and can't do!

>>142896246
Great, thanks again. I always thought it was weird that the deck was made like that. I guess I know from now on and at least now I only have another 1k instead of 2k.

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>>142896024
>pop-up with woman's voice says my computer has been infected with viruses
計画通りよ

>>142896279
You're right, but it's just a strange sentence. You wouldn't really encounter such a comparison in English so it's hard to understand why the author would write something like that. The second guessing yourself comes in and then you try to find another meaning for it.

>>142895764

Yes.

勝ち - winning
って - quotation mark
いう - say

って is often used instead of と in colloquial speak

>>142896305
He's using to mean "equality" as in "A and B are an equality" -> A equals B

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日本では西洋の「最悪な少女」表現みたいな単語が存在するかな…

>>142896515
Someone asked the same question on Rebbit and there are a few interesting responses. The point is that Japanese isn't as simple as a lot of people, especially beginners, like to say it is. On the other hand, a lot of Europeans like to brag about how complex the grammar is for their languages are but the literature is easier to "reverse engineer".

https://m.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/327cer/i_need_some_help_with_understanding_this_line_in/

>>142896355
No problem, glad I could help.

頑張れ

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>been studying for 2 years
>still cant read compound sentences

君には幸いボクがいる

>>142896957
Dumb frogposter

>>142896957
What was a compound sentence again?

>>142896760
This doesn't seem to be an issue of grammar as much as an misunderstanding of what イコール really means, certainly because we confuse it with how equals is used in English.

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>>142896957
>been studying for 2 years
>is gay

>>142896023
Talking about Senjougahara's voice to me it's equal to a subtle "I don't know" said after being annoyed by the teacher during class (Wether or not she know it she can't answer anything different)

FUck you are right, ambiguty at it's finest

>>142897066
I think he talks about multiple clause sentences.

>>142897066
blah blah blah and/but/even though/etc. blah blah blah.

>>142897333
>俺たち
>one person
fuck

>>142897333
誰が図書室で俺たちを勉強している？

>日本人の彼女が無いの気持ち
どうしてですか

図書室で俺は勉強している。でも、俺のワークブックはこの質問がちょっと複雑だね

Fixed, now you can make fun of me

>>142897465
But you had friends to study with in the old one.

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>>142897484
Scrapped. Trying to be realistic here

>>142896887
One more thing, is there a quick way to do this on mobile or do I have to manually suspend 1k cards?

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/735547011
Has anyone used this DoBJG deck? The one in the CoR was a little overwhelming, and this looks a lot simpler

>>142898245
>The one in the CoR was a little overwhelming
What?

>>142898106
Sorry, I have no idea. I only own a basic phone with a little screen and a keypad. All it can do is make and receive calls, so I'm not familiar with the mobile version of Anki.

If I had to guess, you can probably still use the deck browser on the mobile version and use it to search through your deck. If so, then type this in the search field:
>card:[type that you want to suspend]
e.g.
>card:recognition

Then I imagine there should be some means of selecting every card that comes up in the results ("edit" > "select all" maybe?). Then once you've selected all the cards, you should be able to suspend them by just clicking "suspend".

>>142898245
>no notes
Seems completely pointless to me.

>>142898360
I tried that as you said but I guess the guy didn't tag them as such. I did find a way to get them to show up one after the other. I guess il just take an hour and do it. Thanks again!

Friendly reminder that listening to Japanese normalfag songs is a great way to improve your listening skills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhj-0hEJR8

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毎日の勉強はいい経験になっていると思う

>>142888880
>>142885275
was this you? anyways, you may have missed where they said the map is an underground area

マンコ骨がまだミームとして続けているか?

>>142898609
>I tried that as you said but I guess the guy didn't tag them as such.
It's nothing to do with tags. Cards have a type, even if there's only one type of card. If it didn't work then probably the name of the card type is just different in the deck you're using.

When you're in the deck browser, there should be a column titled "card". Look in there and it will have the names of the card types. When you figure out which one you want to suspend, just type in:
>card:[type that you want to suspend]

>>142888907
This is normal. Reading is mentally tiring when you have to carefully consider every single sentence to understand anything at all. As you get faster, it'll get easier, and you'll be able to read more before you get tired. Just keep at it. As a bonus, your listening comprehension will improve dramatically as you become a faster reader.

>>142893355
この俺様

>>142891771

Thanks, I try.

Why would someone elope with a prostitute?

>>142898660
>>142898660
Man do I wanna eat whatever the fuck that is right now

>>142899512

Everyone else said "you cantelope", but she had nice melons.

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勝った、万歳!!

holy fuck i wasn't expecting that voice

>>142900028
I fucking hate that one, gotta smash the button quickly before the voice kicks in.

>>142899512
Because her handlers wouldn't permit it otherwise.

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>>142899920

>>142898648
It really isn't. Like people complain about anime being unlike how normal people talk but songs are way worse offenders

What is the center of shitposting about manga on the japanese side of the internet?

>>142899512
The pimps usually don't want to part with the girls and loose their source of income.

>>142899512
Some girls start because of their boyfriend, some get together with their pimp, some get together with some other charai ppl like hosts...

>>142898887
Oh, I tried that and found the card type. They were under "read" and "write". There isn't any "select all" function but this still makes things a lot easier!

ここは出来るの物語ではない
日本語を志すものは無用である

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Reading real literature in 日本語 instead of Japanese cartoon picture books is like a constant intellectual orgasm.

>>142899512
Eustia?
If so, it's because they don't have other opportunities for relationships with women due to their living conditions, and the prostitutes there provide them with conversation and compliments in addition to sex. This means a lot of the men forget that the women are just doing their jobs and actually start to fall in love with the women. It kinda makes sense if you consider how intimate their "relationship" is.

The brothels, like the church, provide a nice way for people to escape from how awful life is in their part of the city, and are part of how ジーク maintains power. It's a societal commentary on the means of suppressing social discontent.

>>142901416
i can have my orgasms in english just fine thanks

japanese is meant solely for comics and anime books

>>142901416
>Reading real literature
Isn't your screencap from a VN? What's with the background, otherwise?

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>>142901800
This is one of those occasions where an author with 0 budget strikes out on his own and simply writes a novel into a VN engine without using any sprites, unique BGM, etc. The backgrounds are real-life photographs with no editing. It is simply a novel you advance through clicking, not an actual visual novel with sprites and choices, and thus I consider it Real Literature.

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今日は欠席する、ごめん。
彼が怒るの当然だね
自分の立場まだ分からない

bunch of random sentences from my dummy twitter where i talk to myself all day for practice. if there are any mistakes i'd be grateful if you pointed them out

>>142901950
wow sounds like a fucking hack job

if you're going to take it all the way to reading real literature then why not make it good literature too huh

>>142902033
As you can probably tell from the image I posted, it's pretty good literature. As a hikki neet myself, the MC is portrayed very realistically and it's quite interesting to read.

>>142901950
Well that's certainly unique. What is it?

>>142902076
https://vndb.org/v4703

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>>142902107
This looks creepy as fuck. That uncanny valley photograph and the shadow figure sitting in the chair is really unsettling.

>>142902071
Definitely read like a normal VN to me dude. Not that VNs are bad but really the only thing that distinguishes it form NVL style VNs is the lack of picture

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>>142902264
What distinguishes a plain novel from a NVL style VN? I think you'll find the answer to be quite enlightening.
>>142902196
Yeah, the atmosphere is on point.

>>142902335
>What distinguishes a plain novel from a NVL style VN? I think you'll find the answer to be quite enlightening.
Lack of pictures/sound. And what is your point then? Are all VNs with large NVL sections considered literature?

>>142902107
Apparently it's written by the same person who did the scenario for Swan Song and KiraKira.

>>142902387
On 4chan, real literature means literature I like

>>142902525
Spoken like someone who has never read true literature.

>>142902387
Well, in the first place, this is a semantic discussion you're taking too seriously considering I was obviously fucking around (I even capitalized Real Literature). That said... if you take the things which distinguish NVLs from novels, and give them the minimum possible attention (real life photograph backgrounds, no sprites, open source BGM, etc), then what you have is the closest a VN can come to a novel, hence me calling it one. The only difference between this and a normal novel, really, is that it's on my PC and some piano is playing in the background.
>>142902470
Indeed, though I believe it's more stylistically similar to Carnival (but even more dense thanks to perpetual nvl).

>irrelevant side character brought up by name
>kanji with no furigana
Fuck Japanese.

>>142902848
How the fuck do the japs figure that shit out?

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Can anyone translate this, please?
I guess it can serve as a small practice.

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Are any of the japanese IME's for linux other than ibus worth trying? Ibus (anthy) works great, but it doesn't work with steam at all, where I tend to chat with a friend who is also learning japanese so it's kind of a pain not being able to type it.

>>142902947
https://www.reddit.com/r/translator/

>I still don't like the idea of jumping straight into core2k though. I get the feeling, based on what a lot of people post here, that people who start just with core decks often develop the habit of just recognizing the "general shape" of the word and don't really learn to identify kanji. I think that's really bad cause it seems like it will compromise your ability to organically expand your vocab later on when you start reading.

>>142902947
I read it for practice, but because translation does not help my Japanese I did not translate it.

>>142903001
Anthy is abandonware. Use Mozc.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internationalization/Japanese
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mozc

>>142903028
"Later on" is like 1 week later if you're lazy, when you learn basic grammar and jump into reading

>>142903112
Ah, I installed that (in ibus) but switched back to Anthy when it didn't work in steam either. Is there a different uh... way (I'm really new to linux) of using it that may work better?

I have heard good things outside of that though, so I'm gonna try it out for other stuff.

>>142903194
Might be Steam just giving shit support for Linux in that case then.

>>142903028
This is 100% true. I fucking swear, if you don't write kanji out you WILL end up just remembering the shape and relying on context a lot of the time. You'll still be competent enough to read and whatnot, but distinguishing individual kanji *outside of context* will be impossible. My #3 regret in learning Japanese is not doing RTK - it hurt me a lot and I was DEAD CONVINCED just like >>142903137 that RTK was totally unnecessary.

>>142903321
Yeah, that seems to be the case. I've seen a few tickets open for like 2-3 years with not a single response or fix >steam

I guess I'll just use pidgin with the opensteam plugin thing. Thanks!

>>142903396
What are your number #1 and #2 regrets?

>>142903396
Isn't kanjidamage preferable to RTK since it includes the onyomi in the mnemonics?

>>142903137
>>"Later on" is like 1 week later if you're lazy
If you're planning on finishing Core2K before you start reading, "later on" is 3+ months later.

>>142903510
Nobody waits

I hope

>>142903460
#1 - Did nothing but 10 new cards in anki for over a year. At the time I thought I was doing anki for hours but I was actually tabbing out and accumulating time not working. Ended up being, I did like 5-10 minutes of work a day but thought I was doing over an hour. Because of this (and #2) despite studying for a pretty dang long time (over two years), I have not nearly as much to show for it as a peer who started at the same time.
#2 - Didn't start really start reading for 11 months. For 6 months I did nothing but Core, and then 5 months I "read manga", but in the end I only read 10 volumes of manga over all 5 months. I just didn't read much even though on a day-to-day basis I thought I was doing good. After 11 months I picked up my first VN and realized just how damn slow I had been going.

tl;dr spent a whole year of active studying doing nothing but 10 new cards a day in anki.
>>142903499
KD only has 1.8k kanji so I just wouldn't bother with it. Not to mention I'm not concerned with memorizing onyomi or anything, that comes from vocab easy. It's the writing and recalling the exact radicals and their position which would have been a significant help.

>>142903396
Even if you want to study that way, KKLC deprecates RTK.

>>142903839
>KKLC
Your hip slang is too fresh for me.

>>142901969
Do you have Japanese followers? This sounds like a decent idea

>>142903678
Yeah? I'm using this kanjidamage+ deck I downloaded from a /jp/ thread which has around ~2136. It's been pretty great.

>>142903908
KD+ is a whole different beast from plain KD. It's better, in short.

>>142903931
And yet it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere in the googledoc.

>tfw you figure out how to read a weird ass new word before looking it up in the dictionary

>>142904178
I recall it being brought up years ago when I actually browsed, and even then it was friggin old. If he's referring to the same deck I'm thinking of anyway. It predates the doc.

>>142904200
Welp. I'd add it but I altered a few cards in mine earlier on that ended up clashing with later mnemonics a bit. If anybody has a "clean" KD+ deck I think adding it to the doc would be a great idea.

>>142903678
>feel like have been using core for little over a week, 20 new a day
>still haven't finished TK out of laziness
>decide checking my progress
>over 300 seen
Fuck
Just where time goes

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>>142903901
the account is for studying purposes only at the moment so i'm currently locked, but I noticed after following an account for cats (reading practice) I started getting a few follower requests from natives. maybe I'll start interacting with them when I get better at writing. who knows

>>142903839
>KKLC
Kodansha Kanji Learner’s Course?

>>142903396
RTK (specifically) isn't necessary, but I agree that some kind of Kanji study is necessary. Nowadays you have KKLC , or the Kanji Study app , or at least printouts from happylilac (and sites like it), they're all good ways to study kanji , in context with vocab/sentences so you actually learn some japanese in the process.

>>142903839
>he fell for the Kodansha meme

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>>142902947
here and thanks for using the DJT translation service :)

>>142904908
Do you know any that I can use on a mobile to practice stroke order while learning them?

>>142905104
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mindtwisted.kanjistudy&hl=en

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Anyone want to update the instructions in the guide for iBus to Qt5 or tell me what to change?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hUbYaadO9wSSPx8eknoV9RA0HoBucaZrF2HXvs_bp0g/edit#heading=h.wsteifb3wbeg