Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1571

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もう諦めたほうがいいよ

>>142731439

ALWAYS GIVE UP

>>142730442
>im the one in the thread that has been saying English is quite difficult, I understand that even as a native speaker. I learned German for about 2 years and had to stop for reasons. Would I have an """"easier"""" time with Japanese? No genders and more straightforwardness sounds nice.
If you already know one, learning another germanic language already gives you an edge since words have a tendency to be similiar to ones you already know. Seeing it from a "from scratch" point of view, I'd say Japanese is one of the easier languages to learn that I have come across. As I said earlier though, Kanji will always be there, in the way a bit...

>>142730464
>I don't know what you mean by particles as i learnt it through hands on practice and next to no tutelage.
If you can converse and write/read and have not studied particles, I would suggest doing so since it adds so much structure to sentences. And seeing it is one of the first things you learn, it might be good.

>>142728971
Anon Core is based on the Frequency Dictionary of Japanese. It actually has a fair amount of particles and shit like that in it though which is pretty stupid.

Both Core and Anon Core are pointless though. You waste months slogging through them only to realise when you're done that you still can't read a single page of anything without having to look up multiple words (and the words you do know, you would learn quickly anyway just by reading because of how often they're used).

>>142731962
t. anon who can't read Yotsuba

>>142731566
i'm 142730442 →

I did notice how in German basically every third word could be just context clue'd. Right now I'm done with 平仮名 and starting on Katakana. I'm actually not that worried about Kanji being the most daunting task, considering it is vocabulary. I do understand that it is still not fun.

I want to try out the JALUP decks but I don't want to give them my money

>>142731962
Wait, so which one is better? Core 2k/6k or Anon Core? Thank you for the help.

>>142732209
I a DJT newfriend so be gentle.
I did read in the guide that the recommended resources are free. Is Jalup and alternative to anki?

>>142732120
>I do understand that it is still not fun.
Pretty fun to me. Like catching pokemon and shit.

>>142732209
>sentence decks
It's guaranteed bullshit.

>>142732315
JALUP is an approach to learning Japanese as a whole, and they have decks that can be used in Anki
The decks cost money to download though

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Has /djt/ ever lost someone?

>>142732120
As another anon said, with the right mindset it can become fun! Go at it bro, never falter!
You can learn Japanese!

>>142732555
Japanese has made me lose myself.

>>142732555
fuck off with your feels shit

For those comfortable with reading in japanese, what do you think about it, compared to reading in your native language?

I'm at the level where I can read and understand things save some weird complex sentences (with the help of a dictionary for my poor vocab), but the "reading" feels too unnatural to me. I hate to *set* my brain "ok, now I'm going to process kanas" and actually think "oh, this is a verb... in it's -teiru, but there's a -wakenai later so this mess up everything..." etc

Where in english (or my native language) I can read almost skipping words and still make sense of everything.

I'm mostly curious to think when I'll be able to get at this level for japanese, like see an outdoor on the street while driving and read it naturally...

>>142732525
JALUP decks are not worth it... but I like the idea behind them where you have the sentence on the front and the back only defines the one new word/grammar point/whatever. The switch to Japanese definitions/explanations is pretty nice... but definitely not worth the money.

>>142732353
>>142732589
thanks for the motivation anons. i needed it

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>>142733673

>he fell for the being able to learn Japanese meme

>>142732353
>>>142732209
>>sentence decks
>It's guaranteed bullshit.
What do you do... just a single word on the front?

I feel like sentence decks plant a seed in your mind and give you a place to anchor the meaning/reading/kanjis of a word for when you see it out in the wild.

What is your beef with sentence cards? Do you think people would just memorize the sentence and glaze over the kanji since they are using the clues of the words around the target word?

>>142733815
Wow wow, calm down please

So Tae Kim says that べからず is for things one must not do. Looking through my notes, though, the same can be expressed through te-form + は + だめ.
Is there a meaningful difference?

>>142733673
If you're just starting out, I would recommend downloading the JapanesePod101 nihongo dojo lessons and drilling/reading and re-reading the dialogues. As you listen and read the scripts, visualize the situation instead of trying to translate words back to another language that you understand.
You'll git gud fast, I promise, bb. :3

>>142733422
なれるならなるということでやんすな

>>142734094
>なれるならなる
my mind is so full of fuck.
>it becomes if it can become?

>>142734038
べからず is generally more formal, and you're not often going to see it outside of written material.

In general, however, there are a lot of ways to say everything, so it's best to not worry just because you see two different things that seem to mean the same thing. Just read more and the difference in usage will become clear.

>>142734094
Things like that I can almost read fast/naturally, it's when kanjis are involved that my brain halts.

>>142734230
I'm guessing:

> なれるなら (なる + える + なら)
If you can become
> なる
Then become
> ということで
Therefore
> やんすな (I'm guessing it's やすんな)
It's easy

Something like "If it was so easy to be, everyone would be" or a similar expression.

>>142734586
>>> やんすな (I'm guessing it's やすんな)
>It's easy
>
>Something like "If it was so easy to be, everyone would be" or a similar expression.

Not that guy but でやんす is just a jokey sentence ending
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1274059622

I need a name for a fansub group.

It has to be the most philosophically pretentious Japanese and/or English name you can think of.

>>142734586
I agree, I myself wanted to do this translation but halted when I thought about transalting なるということで or splitting it up when you did. I couldnt find anything that made perfect justice in english for neither of them, so I stopped short.

I would translate it as "I you can become, "becoming" is easy"
Its a weird sentence though

>watch episode of anime raw with no problems
>I did it, I learned japanese!
>load up next episode
>need to check japanese subs every other line

>>142734747
e.g. [DesuDescartesSubs], but worse.

>>142734747
>Sabbu

>>142734739
>でやんす is just a jokey sentence ending
Oh my

>>142734586
>>142734776
そもそもここでまともな日本語期待すてはいけないよ
ここで書かれた日本語はちゃんと意味のあるものだとは限らない

What really makes you go "WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE?"?

>>142734935
the fact that anyone thinks that faggot is funny

>>142734958
I would actually crack the fuck up if he was just like HOWAI JAPANIIZU PIIPURU! NANDE ORE NO OWARAI DE WARAUNDAYO?! OMOSHIROKUNAI YO!

>>142734935
"-rareru"

>>142734739
I trust you on the でやんす-thing, making it =to です.
I now find the sentence to lose meaning though.
なれるなら なるということ です
If you can become, (it is equal to/it is that) you become. (?)

>>142734864
I know, but if the sentence is correct, I want to analyze it since it is possible. Sorry, moon runes keyboard been set to off atm, haven't bother setting it back on cause layz

>>142735078
なれるまいとべきはずのきさまくそワロタ

>>142733815
>implying

>>142734958
>>142735002
both true

>>142734935
The fact that Japanese people are most of the times, uninformed

>>142734935
OWARAI HA DONATTEREBA II TTE WAKE JA NAI N DA YO?!

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While searching for 池上 I accidentally found 痴女.

>>142735314
>池上
地上のまちがいじゃね？

>>142735115
はっはっはッ！どこでそんな悪い言葉学んだの？イヤー若い人は怖いですよね。
おいこら、貴様打っ殺してやるぜ！

>>142734958
>>142735002
>>142735164
>>142735007

Are we actually talking about the same thing?

When I refer to the "WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE" meme, I'm talking about:

>は
>ha

>は
>wa


whyjapanesepeople.txt

Basically the meme exclusive to DJT I believe where we take the piss out of the language we're learning.

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Table of on'yomi readings (for joyo kanji only, so no 姦 for you). The only thing I can say looking at it is: "Japan, ur ok?"

>>142735470
The particle は is something we bash at? I'm sorry, but you had me lost

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>>142735164

This holy shit they make look like the average 4chan user like an educated and informed person.

>>142735470
So basically you used a meme without actually understanding it?

>>142735523

Just an example.

We do it with kanji that look almost exactly the same typically.

>>142735536
And of course, this is not on the subject of animu and mango, I'm talking real fucking world stuff, but I'm sure you understood this

>>142732555
>経つ
初めて聞く、「過ぎる」ってもっと普通じゃん？

あまりにも効率的なものではありません

Do you know any cool Twitter accounts I could follow for practice?

>>142735711
至って普通だよ、「経つ」は

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>>142735342
No, it was the name of the address of an apartment that I was looking into to stay in next year in Japan. 池上東京 = Ikegami Tokyo

Silly me, why did I use 音読み on an address.

>>142735907
This one is for good laughs if you want green jokes senpai: https://twitter.com/bot_erection

>>142735907

Look for your waifu's name in their Japanese form.

There could possibly be a Twitter bot for her.

I know there's one for Sakura Chiyo. It's pretty interesting.

>>142735115
くそワロタって何？

>>142735949
>Silly me, why did I use 音読み on an address.
You forgot to extend the vowel sound though?
Jou isn't jo, Bro. :)

>>142736000
>ワロタ
http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic?1E

>>142731962
It's much easier to mass accrue basic vocab with core10k due to the word order than it is to do the same with words as you come across them in mining. If however you took a bunch of mined words, say reading through an entire volume of manga then taking the words and ordering them via kanji, this would have a similar effect as the core10k (and I think the core2k6k deck) order, making it easier to pick up out of "context".

I say out of context with scare quotes because most of time you quickly forget where most words from mining from from unless you use a short sentence the word came from, of which even then becomes soon forgettable unless the sentence has some very memorable aspects to it.
For real world example, my Core10k deck mature cards are around 95% and my mined deck mature cards are around 87%. I am glad that I didn't bother adding words that were already in Core10k to my mining deck because they are so much easier to pick up as going through that deck. Those wasted "months" were really fucking nothing, looking back. I would have "wasted" more time doing something foolish like dropping Core at 2k words or not taking advantage of Core at all.

>>142731401
Nothing would please me more than personally selling Zoi to the Chinese.

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>>142736053

>>142736143
Its basically "lel"

>Ｍ字開脚
l-lewd

>>142734935
hentai in general

was cringe as fuck when i didn't know japanese and now that i can understand what they're saying it's a hundred times worse

>>142736143
すみません

>>142736181
lol'd
>過去形
ワロスはLEL

>>142735992
got any with real japanese?

こんにちわ

かなはわかりますが　かんじはめににあわないような

どうしようかな

>>142736181
I found it here:

> ﾜﾛﾀとは、「笑った」という意味のインターネット用語である。 しかし、関西では昔から「わろた」「わろうた」で「笑った」と言う意味でも使われている。

But I didn't get what's funny about it, nor why this anon >>142735465 replied that.

>>142736231

are we posting lewd words now? I'll top you

恋人つなぎ

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I spent 2 months going to anime conventions and dressing up like a girl every night, but now it is time to study again.

ただいま /djt/

>>142736426
I spent 2 months going to anime conventions and dressing up like a girl every night.
Did you perhaps go to con and dress as girl at the same time? If so, post results!

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>>142736380
>恋人つなぎ
面白いですよね。「恋人繋ぎ」が書いてもいいですか。

>>142736326
What's wrong with that twitter's Japanese? Too informal for you?

>>142734230
やりたければやればよく、やりたくなければやらなければよい

>>142734747
Call it [desu senpai] subs, in recognition of the current word filters that have taken a like of their own at the moment.

I wonder what was going through ancient Japanese people's minds when they thought: "Yep, several thousand letters if what you neen to represent a couple of dozen sounds"

>>142736794
As opposed to several letters needed to represent thousands of different sounds?

>>142736794
They actually used to have hundreds of more sounds, but they stopped using them so people have to learn fewer hiragana.

>>142736649
Not him but it's just the same type of thing I already listen to in every anime and read in every manga. I want something that is closer to normal real people Japanese.

>>142736847
>but they stopped using them
Speak for yourself. I break out 豪族語 every time I drink.

>>142736918
That is normal people Japanese for the most part.

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>>142736005
>Bro
Well, I've got news for you 'chap. I'm not.

>>142736342
気づかないままでｄｊｔは冗談に気づかないだからさ

>>142736749
言葉がなんか繰り返す気が

>>142734747
[jamalsubs] in honor of ボク

>>142736995
うん、いいよ：
やりたければやればよく、やりたくなければやらなければよい

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So I finally started with the Core deck. How important is it that I drill the example sentences? It's a bit overwhelming trying to learn all these phrases in one sitting.

>>142737075
Stop doing that.

>>142737075
Do what you want, learn what you want.
I rarely bother to read the example sentences so I don't care about other words I may not know, because I don't care otherwise.

>>142736939
>anime girls talking about erections
everyday Japanese :)

>>142736918
It's perverse so no normal person would say such things. If you want more normal Japanesevconversation then listen to Japanese news, radios, and read Japanese newspaper.

>>142737202
You weren't talking about girls and sex in high school with your friends?

>>142737075
>How important is it that I drill the example sentences?

not that important at all. there are a few words that you can only really understand the nuance of by seeing it used in a sentence, and you'll know which words those are when you see them.

>>142737174
>I rarely bother to read the example sentences
Enjoy being one of those people who can't read Yotsuba when they finish core

>>142736993
でも...僕は女の子と話せません。；＿；

>>142737202
Yes anon, all of Twitter is girls talking about erections.
Look about, twitter lets you click on every user account which posts something. Within three clicks and three degrees of separation you are in the middle of a conversation between Japs talking about pictures of growing carrots.

>>142737278
I've already read よつばと！. The DoJG deck is more useful for picking up on sentence patterns than Core ever will be. Enjoy being an insufferable presumptuous cunt regardless of how much you learn.

>>142737242
In all honesty, Japanese girls are just like girls anywhere. There are those that talk about it, and those that don't. I wouldnt think it to be all untrue to say that Japanese girls avoid the subject more than LIBERATED MURRICANS, but most girls in the high-school to 3rd year uni havent been people to bring it up, none of them.

>>142736993
Of course, we are all cute lolis arent we?

>>142736993
>>142737324
>>142737464
Stop attention whoring, samefag.

>>142737374
日本語できないことをみんなと一緒に楽しみましょう

>>142737278
To be fair it became hopeless for him to learn Japanese the moment he started with Core instead of immersion.

>>142737374
So are you saying that I should drop Core and just do DoJG?

>>142737263
Alright, thanks. I just go through them a few times outloud and grasp what they mean, but I don't drill them to the point I can read them immediately. I figure the kanji in most of these example sentences will pop up later.

Anyway, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. Thanks anon.

>>142737502
shut up bitch if you dont like my penis you can fight me

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>>142737502
I wanted to tell someone unnesesary bringing gender into discussion to bugger off without sounding too mean, and this is what i get?
Now I would post a sad reaction image if the image wasnt already occupied.

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>>142737502
その...

>>142737550
お前のチンポを見せてくれませんか

>>142737680
>unnesesary bringing gender into discussion to bugger off
b-b-but 女性's can be "bros"
ね？

>>142737838
...no, stahp
They can

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おはようございます、ＤＪＴ。*munch* 日本の乾酪はとても大好きです。*slurp* れろれろ

>>142737719
あれはお凸を擦りつける

>>142737930
乾酪より糞でやんすね

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After spending £ridiculous I forgot to buy a bloody notebook and comfortable pen.

Is it a good sign that I'm very excited to start learning or is that common before the dread of learning 2,200 kanji sets in?

>>142738118
this is one of the few times where im actually 爆笑ing when i say 爆笑lmao

がんばれdudeがんばれ

>>142738162
no bully pls

I'll have the last laugh when I can read your post in ten years.

>>142738368
dont give up achieve your dreams i look forward to the day where you cackle maniacally at the dregs wriggling in the pit of despair and mental illness that is djt

>>142738118
Make sure you use Anki at least if you want to retain anything from RTK.

>>142738118
did you really fucking buy the tyler kim grammar guide?

>>142738118
You'll be fine so long as you vote ブレクシット

>>142738632
Already downloaded the pack suggested in the OP.

>>142738540
Thank you.

>>142738687
For reasons I won't go in to, yes. I realise it's pointless to a lot of people.

>>142738872
I like buying paper books :3
I didn't buy Tae Kim's book though since that is already online. Instead I got Japanese the Manga Way and gave up reading it half way through.
頑張りましょう

I downloaded the Core deck in the guide, that's OK to use, right? I've been using it for a week and I'm kind of having a crisis right now because of this alternative order business. Should I switch to Anon Core or stick with what I have?

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>>142738118
>https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268
Objectively superior to RTK, builds on heisig's approach

>https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mindtwisted.kanjistudy&hl=en
Objectively superior to RTK (hiragana/katakana/N5 kanji are free so you can try it as a beginner)

>Tae kim
you didn't need to buy that, I know that printed word is attractive but there's also a free cell phone app, also you could have just printed it out for a fraction of the price and spent the remainder on DOJG

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Loseのアニメーションスタイルは素晴らしい！
古いのアニメーションのないスタイルVNに戻られないかもしれない、俺は。

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動かしやしょうか

What is this grammar right here?

>>142739101
>Instead I got Japanese the Manga Way and gave up reading it half way through.

why?

>>142739743
や is used in a lot of slurs, especially by old men/certain dialects. It's しましょう.

>>142739473
That app looks neat. Perhaps I'll get the Kodansha book and sell the one I like the least.

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>it's a 幸平 is still an idiot episode

>>142741035
>my jdorama blog

>>142741035
I read that as "My dangerous immensely"

Aaahhhh, when will I LEARN THESE HIEROGLYPHS!?

>>142741035
>tfw 幸平 will never stop being an idiot

>>142741035
Wow congrats you managed to force yourself to watch one shitty terebi for obasans for three days in a row or something do you want a gohoubi

>>142740351
Maybe you should stop fussying about what to learn from and actually start learning

>>142741513
but how do i learn something almost nothing i see in the book translates to what i see in the erogame besides the nouns verbs and adjectives themselves

>>142741648
That's because erogames are written in korean

>>142740351
Both the kodansha book and that app teach you vocab along with teaching you kanji.

>>142741513
I've been up for seventeen hours and they only just turned up. I'm not learning a thing today.

>>142741999
OK thank you.

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この出刃は３００円ですにゃん。

>>142742600
ハサミを持って突っ走るなよ

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鳶に油揚げをさらわれる

>>142734747
サンドウイッチ

What does 鉄錆 mean?

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>>142743187

>>142743328
So 鉄錆のような臭い means it stinks like rust?

>>142737202
If you get a Japanese gf it could be your everyday Japanese as well

>>142743379
yup, that's right

ナンバーワンでもなくて

オンリーワンでもなくて

総じて通常的なワンオブゼムになりたい

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymXzVxMSsZY

>>142734747
Pick an annoying string of kanji that's impossible for EOP to search up.
踄豲貕貔襏襆贂軿鉯頏浶洯襭譸鄜酳銪馯骭僪蔍滍溾滘摬摙敳椼毸溠潣鷩巘硾譖貚趪巕氍爟闠鞻榎椸楢楩萰葍萯韰頯餩輷邆訬軗郲蔪蓩蔮藡覶譒塓塕賗澂稨窨箌蠿饡驦厊圪妀蝯蝺訬軗墐翀胲胵骹麇嚍畟痄笊誁趏跮毼毹彃輘潧潣瑽譺鐼霺萇雊蜩誽賚褌釂鱞鸄肵苂苃韰頯餩 踛輣

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>>142743552
They're not even hiding themselves anymore

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>>142742949
猫を被る

>>142743661
>豲貕贂軿浶銪僪蔍溾滘摬摙敳椼毸潣貚趪巕鞻韰邆
Are you trying to fool me again, china man?

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>>142743813
If you can't even read that, you'll never learn Japanese.

>>142743813
这些都不是中国

>>142743552
You'll never get decent at japanese if you just listen to shitty music all day

>>142744135
youll just never get decent at japanese 爆笑

>>142744068
My 漢和辞典 says they are. Maybe the plebified versions look different in your mandarin shit.

>>142744135
>shitty music
nah, man. that music ain't shitty; it's fucking hot -- 火が見えないか

前後の脈絡がなさすぎじゃないですか？

What does this mean / how would you translate it?

How can I create a card in Anki, I want it to be the word in Kanji, the word in Kana, a picture for the word, and the word in English.

>>142744343
It means something is completely unrelated to the previous conversation/events to a surprising degree.

I feel like I saw this line recently, what is it, Chaos;Child?

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ｉ ｌｏｖｅ ｌｅａｒｎｉｎｇ ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ

>>142744658
ファイヤーバーンマザファッカー！！

>>142734747
Kore wa Zombie Desucartes?

>>142734747
Machine Translators

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>>142744522
You have to make a note type with fields for each of those information units, then make cards for each combination in this window.

Read the Anki manual to find out how. It's a good manual.

>>142744908
That kinda sounds deep and DEEP at the same time. Good job.

>>142734747
神通力

>>142734747
爆笑サブズ

>>142734747
Unlimited Machine Translations
UMT for short

>>142734747
【アイムゲイ】

>>142745193
I thought there already was a group named like that?

wheres that passage about some バカ外人 eating japanese food. could use some practice

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Why bother learning japanese when everything important is already translated?

>>142746098
so i can gripe over how translators translate things when im fresh out of tyler kim university

>>142746071
got it,

私は日本料理が大好きです。特にすき焼きや焼き鳥が好きです。国では日本料理は安くないから、あまり食べられませんでした。今、毎日食べられるので、とても嬉しいです。日本にはめずらしい食べ物がたくさんあります。国では、うめぼし、のりなどを見たことも聞いたこともありませんでした。私はめずらしい物に興味があるので、おいしそうな食べ物は、なんでも食べてみます。

ある日、ホストファミリーと晩ご飯を食べに行きました。なべの中に野菜や肉がたくさんありました。私は「これは何の肉？鳥の肉？」とききました。お父さんは「食べてみて。おいしいから」と言いました。「どう？おいしい？」「はい、とてｔも。でも、何ですか？」みんなはニヤニヤして、何も言いません。私はちょっと不安になりました。でも、おなかがすいていたし、おいしかったので、たくさん食べました。「ごちそうさま」「エイミーさん、実は、これはすっぽんですよ」「すっぽん？」「すっぽんはかめです」「えっ！。。。」私は気分が悪くなりました。お父さんはすっぽんは体によくて、高い食べ物だと言っていました。

これは一生に一度のとてもおもしろい経験でした。国に帰って、友だちに「かめを食べたことがある」と言えます。かめはおいしかったです。でも、やっぱり、もうかめをたべたくありません。

>>142746200
You'll never graduate if you just hang around in this thread all day though

Does 鉄錆のような臭いでいっぱいの路地にうずくまり、わたしはぼんやりと考えた。 mean it stinks like rust, and the road is full of cower, I thought faintly.

>>142746388
Yeah you are 100% correct

>訓読み
>"The 訓 kanji is only used in compound words."

Is this ancient Japan humor?

>>142739743
>>142740215
Does it maybe come from やる?

>>142731270
If that anon is still around who was putting together some sort of phonetic map type thing for the kanji in Kanji Damage, I threw together something that you may be able to use some of the data from:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OaNWAM_U_27uSQUK2oj6OA0OKzDVWyzWSuaFtzzX_Ig/edit?usp=sharing

It is only On readings at the moment as adding Kun readings would require dynamically altering the format for the larger range of kana used compared to the simple and limited On readings.
The data sourced used official 常用漢字 readings.
For some semi-pointless trivial, here is the top ten list of On readings and the number of kanji which officially use them as valid readings:
67 コウ
67 ショウ
50 シ
45 カン
41 トウ
39 キ
39 ソウ
35 セイ
34 カ
32 ケイ

Also, there are 286 arrangements of official Chinese readings for these kanji. Modern Mandarin Chinese has 413 "syllables", this is without taking into tones, meaning the number of possible sounds in "Chinese" can run upwards of around 2000. Mandarin Chinese actually lost a large amount of sounds commonly used in the language compared to older Chinese dialects and Chinese languages like Cantonese jibberjabber, Tibetan wailing, etc. which have a wider array of sounds as they are closer to the older commonly spoken dialects.
It's pretty impressive for various reasons just how Japanese came to adapt these "Chinese" readings into their language. Aside from geography they are so far apart linguistically.

>>142746353
maybe take your own advice

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>>142746267
かめでなし!

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How important is learning katakana?

>>142746718
depends, do you want to learn japanese?

>>142743661
This is why I like having DJT threads set to use a bitmap font with a default browser font set to a non-bitmap font

Any time someone posts kanji that don't exist in my japanese bitmap font they stand out like a sore thumb and can be safely ignored.

>>142743661
What makes you think EOPs can't use copy/paste and a search engine?

>>142742949
What an opportune position

>>142746718
You're asking a question I asked once. Just power through remembering the kana, and lurk the djt threads and they'll stick eventually.

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>>142747206
>djt threads
>daily Japanese thread threads
I fucked it.

>>142747371
Living rural sure has some great memories.

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>>142747371

>>142746098
Talking to LIVE BREATHING ASIAN PUSSY will never be translated for you.

So going through Tae Kim, I have seen that うん and ううん mean yes and no respectively. I get that they sound slightly different, and body language helps a lot to determine context, but are these common usages for these words? I have heard うん in anime, but not the other.

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>>142731270
Can someone please explain what the fuck is going on with these pages?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_ゐ
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_ゐく
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_ゐゃう
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_ゑ
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_ゑい
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_ゑつ
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_ゑん
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_を
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_をく
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_をち
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Japanese_kanji_read_as_をん

>>142746718
Basically this >>142746732

Learn it in a week, shouldnt take more time. And then you try to remember them whenever they pop up. If you have problems learning kana, play pokemon in japanese till you feel you know em all.

>>142747875
>I have heard うん in anime, but not the other.
You'll hear both of them a lot if you keep listening to Japanese, trust me.

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>spent about 6 months doing grammar and anki
>could no longer keep it up anymore because anki kept spitting out worthless newspaper words and I got too lazy anyway
>decide I'll try to learn by reading
>can't read manga
>download hanahira because the guide says it's babby's first VN for JOPs
>can't get the texthooker to work because the link to the main program is broken and i have to use an older one that require some command line bullshit and I'm too stupid
>try to read it anyway and fail miserably after a few lines

This is the end for me, /djt/. Please laugh at me, I deserve it. I've been a NEET for nearly 2 years and all I've accomplished in that time is taking up jogging and writing the first act of three novels before giving up each time. I can't even resist blogging.

The dekinai meme is real.

>>142747882
What seems to be the officer problem?

>>142747952

So it wil just have to be a subtley that I will have to pick up on and rely on body language until then. Thanks chief!

>>142748002
Have a look at the readings, anon.

>>142747979
just do anon core

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>>142747979
You can do it, anon!
Just try a little harder!

>>142747979
People like you give me energy and motivation. I'm only 2 months in yet I am already better than you. Feels fucking good!

>>142747979
You arent stupid, your just doing it wrong. Diving in to deep is what you are doing wrong.
If you think you are a slow learner, download Genki 1 and the workbook and read and dont just read, THINK, USE YOUR HEAD!

Nothing is impossiburu, you CAN learn japanese!

>>142748069
You could look them up and look up examples. Their usage isn't really subtle or anything. Do you have an adult functioning brain? Shouldn't be issue for long.

>>142748111

I cannot use image search on my tablet. Can I get a source for this please?

>>142748072
Yea, I did, whats the problem?`
Just old kana

>>142748202
>Just old kana
No shit, really?

>>142748191
Not the same anon but Inu x Boku SS

>>142747979
Somebody post that mega link to ITHVNR for this pathetic fucker. You've at least already done the rest of the guide, right?

Actually here: https://mega.nz/#!b59B1SaA!siukY-kp0ly2sl4ni1oyvw5fi6imRxgJYZGcsLyn8gw
It includes the text hooker and two html files, but they're set up to be similar to that autist's anki deck style. Customize it if you like.

>>142748085
I keep seeing this. What's anon core?

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>>142748224
Yea no shit, so whats the problem?

>>142748257
>I keep seeing this. What's anon core?
it's a frequency deck designed for people who burn out and quit early to still have the most important words

>>142747979
Just learn Yi, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNl9qK3trDQ
There are over 2 million speakers and they have a neat writing system.
http://yi.people.com.cn/

You can be a legitimate speaker for this Mongolian trash metal board.

>>142748387
>ꇩꏤꑭꊂꏓꂱꁧꎁ꒜ꀉꒉꈿꅉꀕꌤꏲꊈꑼꉼꌤꃅꅇꄜ
LITERAL MOONRUNES.

So we see ちゃん written as chan, but my basic hiragana instincts want me to read it as chyan. Is there some more subtle rule I am missing, or is it another failure of rōmaji?

>>142748085
Maybe I'll look into it.

>>142748115
I used to be like you, once.

>>142748111
>>142748151
>>142748257
Th-thanks...

>>142748387
If all I wanted was to write cool I'd learn one of those weird hebrew spinoffs.

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>>142748455
たぬきちゃん？

>>142748432
ほほう

>>142748455
It's a failure of kana. Here's the rundown.

Japanese has this syllable grid. It also has some diphthongs that glide away from the y sound to another vowel. These diphthongs are written with two characters instead of one, and the first character is an Ci character, and the second character is a small yV character.

However, some of japanese's Ci characters have irregular sounds. You have ta, te, and then chi. You have sa, se, and then shi. Due to a hilarious coincidence of history, these irregular Ci syllables don't create diphthongs when written in the diphthong format. They create a new row of consonants instead.

>>142748290
Fuck you're an autist. Find anything remotely relevant to the language that provides these readings for the kanji used.

>>142748455
You could always try using Google instead of embarrassing yourself.

>>142748455
ちゃ - cha
ちょ - cho
ちゅ - chu
しゃ - sha
しょ - sho
しゅ - shu

>>142748455
>or is it another failure of rōmaji
More or a failure of trying to fit sounds into a script that wasn't designed by linguists.

>>142748363
That sounds neat. Is it in the guide?

>>142748645

Alright, so ちゃ is the cha sound, and not the chya sound just because it is how it works. I can work with that, just wanted clarification. Thanks Anon.

>>142748605
たぬきちゃん!!

>>142748766
it's in the CoR since it was made by an anon

I don't think anything references it since the guy who made it always says that it's untested and is more meant to be a rip of the dictionary it's based on then an ideal anki deck.

てぃゅぅ
"Tyuw"

>>142748905
Tyu(u)
But you do this in Kata

>>142749070
アルルゥ
>Aruruw

>>142749141
Where do you get that w from?

>>142749177
From where everyone pulls their shit of.

>>142749177
It's a generalization of ainu orthography.

>>142748841
>Romaji readings instead of hiragana
>Vague one word definition for particles
Why is this suddenly getting recommended so much? I only see it as being confusing for a beginner.
I see the potential though. If I ever get an autistic burst of productivity, i'll probably replace the romaji with hiragana and particle definitions with snippets from tae kim or dojg.

>>142749466
>Romaji readings instead of hiragana
It has hiragana.
>Vague one word definition for particles
Suspend them.

Cheers.

>>142748673
>embarrassing yourself on an anonymous imageboard
how?

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>>142749141
That's not even real Japanese.

>>142749530

Autists would feel embarrassed about it I guess? Normal fags won't feel that way.

>>142749646
That one's actually supposed to be Hakuoro

>>142749700
HakuOWLo is canon. He's even wearing an owl mask.
That's the first and only official localization, the as the fan translation of the games and anime don't count.

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>>142749528
>It has hiragana
You're right, I'm a fucking retard and didn't scroll down in the card browser.
Cheers to you too, buddy.

>>142749786
It happens. I just wanted to give a sudden response since you didn't look hard enough.

>>142749760
Yeah, by the same third party that localized Camus and Camyu instead.

Next.

>>142747371
There's are two KanjiDamage anki decks: one with the KD order, and one rearranged that the guy who made it thinks is better. Which one are you using?

>>142749760
unfortunately ハクオロ is literally an ainu name

>>142749934
>Which one are you using?
the shit one

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>>142750748
I'm guessing you're just trying to fuck with me, but which one is the shit one? I'm currently using the reordered version, but I'm having some doubts about if I made the right choice or not.

>>142751025
>which one is the shit one
All of them

>>142749934
KD order

Easier to do 50 new cards a day with. If you get a less useful kanji 「威」　wrong, but your answer was still kind of close. It's not a big deal to just hit hard if the card is still very young (>20 days).

It also orders it so if kanji have the same particles and 音読み as each other, they are close to each other. 　制　＆　製

>>142731270
>try reading because djt told me it's the best practice
>end up misunderstanding everything and reading inaccurately as possible

>>142751298
"I'm a stupid fuck that's going to try reading without even knowing like ten words or finishing the basics section of Tae Kim":
Hanahira
Axanael

"I'm a beginner":
Any normal moege. Even ones with EPIC TWISTS are fine as long as they start out simple and don't turn into pretentious schlock.

"I want to start reading harder material":
Steampunk, Ley Line, etc. Pick a normal story game that isn't targeted at a specific demographic. If you pick one that's meant for a specific demographic it's probably going to have a lot of writing problems.

"Just fuck my shit up":
Genji. Get crackin'.

>>142751298
Oh, the committee´s in for a surprise: I put some nightshades into their drinks. They´ll be numb for sure, probably worse.

>>142751268
Thanks, I think I'll switch then.

>>142751354
>Genji
Is it this one?
http://vndb.org/v9430

>>142751354
>Axanael
This looks pretty interesting. How could it possibly be as easy as the bland generic moege that is Hanahira?

>>142751955
It's literally nothing but nonstop entry-level animoe pandersauce.

>>142732555
I have no clue how to get pictures to show up in my cards.

>>142751926
This one obviously
http://www.genji-monogatari.net/html/Genji/combined01.1.html#paragraph1.1

>>142752090
What is this shit? The Story of Mr. Gen?

>>142735536
>>142735164
Like, how bad? Examples? Stories?

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>>142747979
>spent all day trying to figure out how texthookers work and setting up dictionaries
>it's currently 3:30am and everything is finally working the way it should
Setting this shit up is way more tedious than it has any right to be, but it's worth it. Don't give up, anon!

>>142752160
How can you not know, it's one of the most famous stories from Japan

>>142752326
>it's one of the most famous stories from Japan
The only ones people normally know are I'm a cat and Seven Samurai

>>142752255
The fuck man? It took me all of 5~ minutes to get that stuff set up. What happened?

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>>142752851

>>142752255
what vn?

>>142746098
Because there's a world beyond anime.

>>142747979
>can't read manga
Use kanjitomo.

>>142753180
It's Iwaihime. Came out this spring, and I don't think anyone's translating it so far, which is actualyl kind of nice because it means that I don't feel like I'm wasting my time by reading through it at a snails pace. It's closer in tone to Higanbana than Higurashi or Umineko, which is probably why it's similarly obscure, but if you're into social commentary told through metaphores in the form of mildly spooky ghost stories it might be your thing.

>>142754025
It's never a waste, even the best translation in the world only gives you 60% of the experience.

How important you guys say is it to do the exercises if I'm using Genki for grammar? I torrented the books so it's not exactly convenient, nor do I really care to learn to handwrite Japanese anyway, but I would like to reinforce the grammar understanding part. Should I just type the answers into a text file or something?

>>142754078
You're absolutely right, but it still -feels- like a waste of time to a lot of people. It's the same reason someone might have for watching TV while eating breakfast: 'Why should I focus on eating, when I could be watching a bad sitcom at the same time'. It's completely mental, but the unrest it fills you with when you feel like you're not filling up your time with as much as possible can get pretty overwhelming.

>>142754311
useful but not vital at all

>>142754311
People in this thread complain daily that they did Tae Kim and don't remember most of the conjugation rules by the time they finish the guide. That's the advantage of Genki: meaningful practice.
You can type them out if you want, but it could help to get a textbook or piece of paper and just write them down.

Is there a quick reference for verb conjugations? Like the little charts Genki has, but all in one place.

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>>142754540

>>142754404
Yeah, I did the same thing years ago when I first tried learning Japanese. Only got a few hundred cards into Core2k back then, but I still curse myself for not sticking to it, I'd be pretty fluent if I'd just kept up a little bit each day since then.

Though I am much farther along this time than I ever got then so hopefully it will stick this time.

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>>142754575

>>142754575
>>142754631
Awesome, thanks!

How much do you think it will help me if I watch all of Lord of the Rings in Japanese dub with English subtitles for when I miss something? I've been wanting to try it out

>>142755144

Why don't you just give it a shot and see what happens? It's not like you're making a huge time investment here.

>>142755144
Watch them with Japanese dub and Japanese subs.

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yotsubato is really fucking boring

>>142756084
Anki is so boring it makes me angry.

Should I just like give up

>>142756084
Read Nichijou

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>>142756420

>>142756420
no

>he uses premade decks

This is the most full retard thing you can do when learning japanese.

>>142756786
ナイスミーム

>>142756786
>somehow learning a word that someone else typed in makes you unable to learn it

>>142756996
>ミーム

It's メメ　ya dip

>>142757092
ミメマですけど, グリークであったから

>>142746515
>訓む
Don't take KD seriously the next time. I'd recommend you to stop before you get the wrong idea about every kanji on the site.

>>142757092
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9F%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0

>>142757295
>訓む
Literally never used.

>ジャガイモ
>ポテトサラダ

why

>was supposed to have a year before starting japanese language classes
>now have 3.5 months
>have to learn as much as possible in short amount of time

>>142746515
>訓える
>訓

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>幻覚キノコ

does japanese the manga way cover more shit than tae kim?

>>142732303
I believe Anon Core is more up to date/accurate, but I don't think it has audio.

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went on a japanese anon chat once, this was result on first match. I dont go on anymore

>>142758943
12/f/ca

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おはようおにいちゃん

>>142757693
「ばれいしょ」ともいうよ

>>142758943
What site is this?

>>142747979
>open a manga on the left side of your screen
>have your browser open with Jisho.org open on the other side of the screen
>look up words when you don't know them
>consult DoJG for unknown grammar
Of course you can't read anything if you don't look things up when you don't understand them, and you never will be able to read anything if you keep up that approach either.

This is why the Core decks are bad. They're a crutch that lets people stick to beginner shit for ages and gives them the delusion that when they're finally finished several months down the line that they'll be able to read things easily and hardly ever have to look anything up. Then when the beginner discovers that they indeed do have to look things up very often even after finishing their Core deck, they become disheartened and want to quit, often blaming themselves instead of the method.

>>142759152
So don't do core and skip straight to mining?

>>142759152
>beginner material is bad because it stops when the beginner level ends
wow thanks for sharing

What are the last few words you mined?
水蒸気
上昇気流
位置エネルギー

>>142759521
These are all words I wouldn't mine because I know the components' readings and can derive the meanings easily.

I only mine new readings or non-intuitive meanings.

>>142759152
>gives them the delusion that they'll be able to read things easily and hardly ever have to look anything up

Only if they are retarded. Why would anyone think that?

>>142759574
I have 蒸気 somewhere up in the pile but I can just delete 水蒸気 when I encounter it later and don't need it.
You can hardly derive meaning from 位置エネルギー unless you see it multiple times so there's no reason not to mine it just because it's easy. By the time I see it in Anki I'll probably have forgotten it but if I don't I can always click easy or delete it.

>>142759521
沿革
上海
株価指数
損益分岐点
エスカレーター式

Do you think you could improve your memory by punishing yourself for failing Anki cards? Like an electric shock for every "again"

>>142760492
No it actually makes your memory worse

>>142760492
Why not give rewards?

>>142760760
This also makes your memory worse (it just motivates you)

>>142760760
Because I don't know how I would reward individual cards, With incorrect ones I could shock myself or hit myself or something.

Not that it matters because >>142760526 and >>142760775 say it doesn't help.

>>142761306
Flick your testicles every time you get one wrong. I started doing this a month ago and now I'm fluent.

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>>142759029
１３/女/新潟
お茶しようぜ

>>142761413
どうぞ

>>142759259
Do core, read and mine at the same time. You get the most exposure that way. Doing either of the first two things alone takes forever to get anywhere.

I'm still adding dozens of words daily if I read at all. It never seems to slow down. Over 14800 cards total now between core6k and mined words, and I added over 90 today alone.

>>142761711
>Over 14800 cards total now between core6k and mined words
You added 14,800 cards?

>>142761747
14800 cards between both decks, so 8800+ mined cards manually added.

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>かわつた

any idea what this means

>>142761890
It's っ

>>142759521
沁みる
こまめ
竦む
雑踏
潔白
霊柩
抑揚

What is the difference between 寝かす and 寝かせる? I think I couldn't understand when I searched on Google.

>>142732589
"経つ" It's a common expression
時が経つ＝時が過ぎる
とき が たつ / とき が すぎる

>>142762131
According to http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1299295787 the only difference is that 寝かせる is used to make certain verb forms not feel informal.

>>14276213
There are no difference between 寝かす and 寝かせる
どちらのことばも、こどもをたいしょうにしてつかわれることがおおい
どちらの言葉も、子供を対象にして使われることが多い

>>142762422
I get it with your explanation, got confused by 規範意識 and the verb types stuff.

>>142761890
かわった 変わった
It means weird

>>142762510
There's a feeling that 寝かして・寝かした are informal, so 寝かせる is used to move 寝かす to a different verbal conjugation category rather than changing the meaning.

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>>142762439
nice quote

>>142762131
Just different ways of making a causative verb?
I don't see much difference in the nuance, only they sounds different.

>>142763356
寝かす isn't a verb form, it's a fossilized verb from old japanese

寝かせる should sound like "can lay down", but instead people use it like "lay down" because 寝かす feels like in the opposite direction of having the "can" part or something.

>>142762439
There's no need to double your sentences in kana, everyone in the thread should have rikai installed.

How does it feel knowing I read difficult VNs like Muramasa and Dies Irae in a year or less while you guys can't even read a moege?

https://vndb.org/u1814

>>142763524
>Veronin
Oh boy
/gets popcorn

>>142763524
Feels alright since I don't give a shit about "difficult" ones and been reading sci;adv stuff since half a year in. Shit's fun.

>>142759138
chatpad.jp
Sometimes you get interesting conversations