Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1570

How much should I be aiming to read each day? I just started reading a few days ago and so far I've just been making my way through one chapter of よつばと！ each day, but I'm worried that that's way too little.

Getting through even that small amount takes quite a lot of effort though, so I feel a bit burned out by the time I'm done.

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What the fuck

Like the image, OP.

>>142678947
Like an hour minimum is fine.

How do I call someone a cuck in Japanese?

When am I supposed to start a mining deck and how do you guys manage it?

Like, I'm already doing 20 new cards in core a day and if I also start mining then the work load will be pretty huge. Also what about mining cards that will turn up later in core by chance?

I'm 1500 words in by the way.

>>142679341
The Core decks are a waste of time imo. The whole idea behind them is to make it so you don't have to look up as many words once you start reading, but even if you finish Core6K you will still have to look up tons of words.

If you've finished your introductory grammar guide (e.g. Tae Kim), then just start reading and referencing the DoJG when you encounter unknown grammar or need to refresh your memory. If you're going to mine, this is when you're supposed to start, though bear in mind that people successfully learned foreign languages for thousands of years before Anki or the concept of spaced repetition existed (also bear in mind that the simple act of reading and looking up things you've forgotten is a form of space repetition in and of itself).

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>want to learn how to texthook VNs
>the link in the guide to the main program is broken

Please help. My babby-level moege needs me.

> get through Tae Kim
Just by reading? Or are there quizzes or something similar I can do to check my progress (or is that where Anki comes in)?

>>142679907
Just by reading.

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おはようおにいちゃん

どんてんにあじさい

ひらくひらくかさかさ

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>>142678976
Chocolate chip melon croissant?

>>142679876
google ithvnr

>>142679907
Just read through it.

Also, you should watch this video since you seem to have misconceptions about what the purpose a grammar guide is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

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>>142678976

>>142680106
invite link pls

>>142679907
Make notes. Just like in school. If you see something you didn't know, read everything you can about it, then make notes. And make it the way you will understand when you read it later.

>>142678976
>>142679954
>>142680118
It's probably just short for メロンパン (which is named after its appearance).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melonpan

Chocolate-chip "melon" bread in croissant form/shape.

>>142680172
Seems to be some leddit circlejerk. I googled the usernames and they all have reddit accounts.

>>142680106
i am now a moogy fan

Any advice on mining, anyone?

>>142680397
~dark like my soul~

Why does ITHVNR always crash when I first attach a game

>>142680106
Maybe he just got divorced

I hate to be spoonfed but I can't seem to find a download for ひとりのクオリア on Nyaa and idk where else to look really

Can someone hit me up please?

みせパン

英語で何て言う？

>>142680764
moogy has been insulting tryhards for years

>>142679272
You kill yourself.

>>142680071
im not >>142679907.
but, holy shit this is some good advice. thanks.

>>142680106
more like this please

>すがる
>Red banded sand wasp
>Deer

なんじゃこりゃ

>>142680903
Just say "your panties are showing" or something

>>142680860
It's on Animebytes. I'm only a regular user though so I can't invite you. I think you can apply for an account, but bear in mind that you have to maintain a certain ratio as it's a private tracker.

>>142681094
>archaism
who gives a くそ

>>142681136
Still interesting to think how they made that leap between the two

>>142681157
not really

>>142681108
pantywhore

>>142681125
Mm those private trackers usually seem like way too much effort, guess I'll just try and find it on google or some shit

Hey guys I'm studying kanji radicals using the deck from the guide, and it has alternative forms for most radicals. Do you have to memorize those alongside the main radical or are they just a bonus kind of thing?

>>142681319
Keeping a ratio on AB is easy if you just seed what you download thanks to the yen (bonus point) system. Basically, you just seed, and even if nobody leeches from you, you accumulate "yen" for the simple act of seeding which you can then use to buy ratio (which then allows you to download more torrents, giving you even more yen).

The main factor in how much yen you get is how long you've been seeding a torrent for, but the size of the torrent is also accounted for, as is how well seeded it is (torrents with <5 seeds give the most yen).

You start out with a 10GB buffer so you'd have more than enough to download that one VN. Also, the site is in freeleech mode for the next few days to celebrate its 7 year anniversary, so you can download whatever you like in that time frame and it won't count at all toward your ratio.

>>142680860
I heard that game is pretty bad anyways. Don't expect more than cute art.

>>142681472
I recalled people on here saying it was good, it seems right up my alley anyway, will never know if I can't find it though

嫐る
嬲る

Amazing

>>142681695
えいごだとなんていうの？

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>>142680183
>両方だぜ
なんとむかつくビッチ

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Something has been causing me a lot of srress and I finally figured out what it was. Awhile ago, I don't know if it's still posted, there was an image showing many *private* colleges which only have 4 one-semester courses (i.e. potentially 4 years, minimum 2 years) for Japanese which end up with you at N4 level (by their own admission. So, the meme became 4 years for N4, a joke about how shitty college courses are. This line of thought lead me to develop the idea that, since I personally got to N4 in far less that even a single year, that the only reason people don't emerge from college after 4 years completely fluent in Japanese is because college sucks. *I*'m going to self study and be perfectly fluent in 4 years! Yeah!

Well, I made a mistake. I'm sure reading it out like that makes it obvious what it was. It was the logical fallacy of assigning the number "4" to language learning in the first place. As I passed my 2nd year studying Japanese and head deeper into my 3rd year, I was gripped by a fear I didn't have before: that of still not being native level despite self studying for an amount of time currently rapidly approaching 4 years. I didn't realize my mistake, or the truth of language learning that is a fucking hard pill to swallow. The truth is... it takes longer than 4 years to get to (college educated) native level in a language. 1 year, 2 years, 4 years... they're plenty to get pretty good. Hey, you could read manga and novels cover to cover without sweating too much, like me. But native level is a distant dream. Opening up a Japanese news site and being able to competently digest all the articles is a distant dream. Being able to decipher every tweet is a distant dream. Being able to fluently produce sentences about any subject is a distant dream. It doesn't take 4 years to learn a language. It takes a lifetime.

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>>142682078

>>142681108
I'm not the one who asked but みせぱん is a kind of cloth that looks like the underwear but actually is not.

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These covers are what I'm learning Japanese for.

ごめん悪い日本語

>>142682534
its in Vinf. vte Sinf Wh-word example b as shown in [2] guide

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>>142682726
できるよ

>>142679954
>>142680118
Look up 菓子パン.
How fucking new do you have to be to not be aware that Japan has sweet and savoury varieties of bread rolls? Have you never watched an anime in a school setting before?

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>>142682829
i knew they did i just didnt think anyone could butcher a croissant harder than americans

ユダヤ人よ、俺の股間が母に向けてのは、その人が多くへ目漏する。

>>142680082
>>142680106
>do i fit into the big bad 4chans yet guys!?!?!?
Why did you think screencaps of random normalfags acting like normalfags would be relevant to this thread or /a/? This "delicious drama" as you put it is the sort of cancerous shit that clutters up these threads without fail every single time they are created. Normalfag drama belongs on /soc/, with all the other normalfag obsessed retards. Go back.

>>142682991
You sure told him by responding two hours later and "cluttering" the thread up with your shit when no one else cared.

What does "どんでえすたらびぶりおてか" mean?

http://www.asahi.com/shimbun/sosekiessaye.html

Anyone going to try their hand at doing this essay competition?
I am thinking of use it as an opportunity to writing something complex.

>>142683051
>donde estas
sounds like spanish.

>>142682941
大人なのに割礼はまだ可能です
ちんこの実形をあらわせ！

>>142683073
>Souseki
Boring. Let me know when it's an essay about an actually good writer like Nasu or Sca-Ji.

>>142683051
>びぶりおてか
bibliotheca?

>>142683153
Oh, in that case I think I know what it means. Thanks, anon, I guess I was trolled.

>>142683051
this >>142683153

donde esta la biblioteca
where is the library

>>142683213
>>142683212
>>142683153
To tell the whole story, I asked a friend of mine what the sentence "Where is the library" would mean in japanese. I figured that he trolled me since the sentence didn't seem to contain any Kanji.

>>142683254
としょかんはどこですか

>>142682081
Language is a naturally evolving thing which changes faster the more people use it, and Japan is a tiny place with a lot of people packed in there using it. Imagine someone learning English in Germany in the 80s but not keeping up with the language as how it is used by the natives of whichever brand of English the Gerfag picked up on. I mean, I have trouble understanding a lot of the shit really young people go on about in my own native language and I've worked around a lot old people who seem completely fucking lost as to what their grandkids were going on about half the time, despite everyone sharing the one language. There is just so much colloquial usage and shifting cultural trends that alter meaning of nuances that unless you are actively a part of the native usergroup, you're going to be left behind the curve.

>Being able to fluently produce sentences about any subject is a distant dream.
Do you practice? How often do you express yourself in English? Hours a day? How often do you express yourself in Japanese? Have to realistic about it.

>>142682206
The brain has a good point.

Anyone here has experience how studying Japanese in Germany is?

>>142683375
The same as any other place with computers and internet.

>>142683434
Meant in an university.

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>>142683375
ぐーてんたく　あのんくん

>>142683375
>Anyone here has experience how studying Japanese in Germany is?

Yes.

>>142683444
The same as any other place with computers and internet - unnecessary.

>>142683452
The u isn't that long.

>>142683457
cold and wet? a sprinkle of germans inside still playing farm simulator 15?

>>142683457
In a university?
If yes, which one? Up to which level did you get (JLPT)?
How are the classes?

>>142683483
>not wanting to waste three years doing nothing but learning Japanese while studying it on the side for almost free
Have fun being a NEET or working.

>>142683544
>cold and wet?
Only if it's snowing or raining.

>a sprinkle of germans inside still playing farm simulator 15?

No?

>>142682917
The name is derived from the shape but even so throughout France and Germany, what is considered a croissant has changed over time and still exists in many varieties so to sperg out as though the concept of a crossiant is being butchered is more of an indication that you don't really know all that much about the pastry or hold an opinion that only a very specific tradition of baking and preparing them is valid. I'm sure there are several hundred elderly ばあちゃん scattered throughout France, Austria, Germany, etc. who all hold your view but each differ as to what the "correct" form is and likely think the other is a bastardisation of their own preference.


>>142683024
This is not a chatroom you fucking idiot. It doesn't matter if the response was one hour later or ten hours later. Fuck off samefag and don't post that shit in the future.

>>142683585
Calm down autist.

>>142683584
>No?
Anon is referring to the meme that Germans work all the time and spend their downtime doing things like playing video games which are work simulators. You know, the whole Germans are industrious robots, gag.

おはよございます、DJT!

何しようかな...
(文章練習です）

>>142683616
Fuck off normalfag.
This is the youtube comments sections and stupidity isn't a virtue.

>>142683370
>Have to realistic about it.
In case it didn't come across right, by "distant dream" I mean something that'll take a lot more work to achieve (over more than 4 years), not something that is 100% unobtainable.

>>142683578
I'm probably not the best example because I dropped out because of (literal) cancer.

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>>142683584
>>142683658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY

>>142683584
>>142683658

Oh, that hasn't been the case for over 25 years by now. Thanks, millenials.

>>142683584
なるほど
効率の噂だった

たのしいにほんご、たのしいエロほん

>>142683578
>In a university?
>If yes, which one? Up to which level did you get (JLPT)?
>How are the classes?
You know that language classes vary from university to university, or teacher to teacher, and it doesn't have anything to do with the country, right?

>>142683816
Fuck.
Still, if you have any impressions of your classes (if you attended a few), it'd still help me.
Trying to decide which university to go for, and it's really not easy.

>>142683858
Which is why I asked which university he went to.
There's nothing I can do about the teacher, since I won't be able to choose him.

>>142683925
Munich is pretty chill, with its Japanese building quite a bit "offside" the main building , but Berlin supposedly has the best university to study Japanese at. I imagine Düsseldorf being quite a good choice as well.

But I dropped out almost 20 years ago, and back then the structure of studying Japanese was vastly different than it is today. But I think you'll be fine either way.

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じんるいがへいわをあいしますように

>>142683925
>>142684056
Oh, and from what I can read online, a lot of the teachers are still the same from back then. All of them complete bros.

>>142683792

Cute, I got all of it without lookup. Some stupid stuff like taking thirty seconds to remember 噛もう was "kamou" and at first thinking "平和" was "hirawa", but in the end got it fine.

>>142683855
エッチなのはいけんないと思うます

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1465567564196.webm

>>142684056
>>142684123

Not him, but neat. Nothing particularly comes to my mind right now, but if you come to DJT occasionally/regularly and some story you have is relevant to the topic at hand at the time, feel free to share it.

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>>142684205
Good job, anon.

>>142682081
How many hours did you study, though? "4 years" is meaningless when that could mean 30 minutes a day or 5 hours.

>>142684375

25 hours/day

>>142684056
>>142684123
Thanks anon.
Munich sounds great, will have to look more into it.

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ミッー淫ら
All I wanted was to find words with 慢 in them

>>142684616
Well you found one

>>142682081
The FSI trains people to speak and read Japanese at a professional level in 88 weeks. This apparently takes about 2000 hours of classtime plus about 2000 hours of independent study.
>The goal of language training for FSI students is typically General Professional Proficiency in Speaking and Reading. This level is approximately equivalent to "Superior" on the scale used by the American Council on the Teaching of Foreign Languages.
>Speakers at the Superior level are able to communicate with accuracy and fluency in order to participate fully and effectively in conversations on a variety of topics in formal and informal settings from both concrete and abstract perspectives. They discuss their interests and special fields of competence, explain complex matters in detail, and provide lengthy and coherent narrations, all with ease, fluency, and accuracy. They present their opinions on a number of issues of interest to them, such as social and political issues, and provide structured arguments to support these opinions. They are able to construct and develop hypotheses to explore alternative possibilities.
>At FSI, it requires most adults at least five class hours a day for five days a week, plus three or more additional hours a day of independent study.

http://www.govtilr.org/Publications/TESOL03ReadingFull.htm

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>濁る

>>142683578
I spent four years in uni, studying engineering but taking three language classes to satisfy the humanities requirements.
The courses were great for confidence and mental stimulation, but as soon as they ended I started forgetting.
Meanwhile, I started doing Anki since Japanese was popular as fuck in that university and I never managed to get in. 8 years later, I'm still doing my reps and getting better every day, my only regret being that I had spent most of that time in grim perseverance mode instead of seeking out compelling content.

>>142685121
jap was popular there even 8 years ago?

今日は気分が悪くって天気は暑すぎるのです

>>142685320
Oh, that wasn't in Germany.
This isn't the sort of thing where you can draw a conclusion on a by-country basis, at least not in the West (as opposed to, say, SEA). The quality of a Japanese program would depend on the merit of the people who run it at each institution - their ability to draw up a good program, teach it well, get people to sign up and get the institution to support it.

I'd imagine Japanese programs would be particularly in demand at acclaimed technical universities, since these would attract serious nerds from far and wide, ensuring a high proportion of flamboyant weeaboos to sustain the low-level courses and high-powerlevel types to sustain the higher levels.

手伝ってください、ｄｊｔ
What's the difference between 特有 and 特徴? I feel as though 特徴 is more general but I'm not sure.

>>142685884
If their meanings are close enough, then you will only really find answers if you google x と y の違い or something.
If you can't understand the Japanese explanation, then it's too early for you to worry about it.

>>142685983
Yeah, I get the impression that if I were to encounter one in the wild I wouldn't be held up by it at all. I guess my autism flares up when anki gives me words like that back to back.

ありがとうございます

>>142685489
暑すぎて気分が悪いんじゃないの？

>>142685884
特有な声 means "unique voice", 特徴的な声 means "characteristic voice" and not necessarily unique.

日本語教えます
takoyaki017 on Skype.
日本人です。

>>142678947
Read something that's interesting.

I don't support the shitty Yotsuba&! hivemind on this board. Read something you're interested in and you will read more.

>>142685489
You wouldnt's say 「天気が暑すぎる」 in Japanese, but simply 暑い or 気温が高すぎる.

>>142686355
はいバカ外人です
おちんちんのスリーサイズは何ですか

>>142686433
Nys you fucking amateur

何ですかこの音は

この音は何ですか

>>142686450
But how would I go about saying "Shit, it's hot as fuck"?

>>142686574
Some people don't enjoy reading about little girls doing stupid shit.

>>142686726
超熱い

>>142686726
糞、ファックのような暑いごわす。

>>142686726
ファックほど暑いぞ

>>142686726
今日は全くくそ暑い

>>142686808
>熱い
Try again.

>>142686870
I hit the spacebar once. Deal with it nerd.

畜生が、クッソ暑い

>>142686863
>>142686861
>>142686831
No one actually says this

>>142687029
We just did, which proves you wrong by default.

>>142686861
kekked

>haven't even done 1 year's worth of anki (318 days)
>better than people who've studied 1.5+ years

>>142687055
I've actually gotten my Japanese friends to say ファックだね.

今日は暑すぎて気分悪かったそして朝でベッドを寝たんです。

I have barely ever practised writing in Japanese and consequentially I can write simple sentences but have some difficulties writing compound and complex sentences.
Find the right word to connect sentences to form compounds is a little of a struggle for me.

>>142686726
クソ、死にほど暑いよ

>>142687057
>memorizing raw vocab means you know Japanese
Someone who studied in class for 1 year is far better than you in Japanese, as they can actually hold a conversation.
You are just a walking dictionary.

>>142686726
クッソめっちゃ暑いやんか

>>142687029
>>>142686863 (You)
>No one actually says this
"No one"て誰さ？

くそ、金玉は汗だくほど暑いぞ

>>142687128
Actually JCAT rates me worse at vocabulary than anything else, best at listening.

Classes just teach you to say basic formulas or express yourself in specific situations.

>>142687111
Read more.

Production is simply copying people.

>>142687153
>o one"て誰さ？

Japanese people wouldn't say "今日は全くくそ暑い"

>>142687128
Better a walking dictionary than a walking phrasebook.

>>142687351
This.

>>142687241
>Japanese people wouldn't say "今日は全くくそ暑い"
I say.... native speaker のお兄さん？お姉さん？

Is there anything out there similar to the graded readers? Or perhaps additional scans of volumes?

>>142686433
This is the very first thing I'm reading, so it seems sensible to go with something which is generally considered easy, and which I presume a lot of people ITT have read (and therefore can help me with if I get really stuck).

After this though, I might take your advice and just go with whatever catches my fancy. For now I'm just trying to transition from introductory grammar guides to native content though.

>>142687351
You greatly underestimate classes.
After one year, you can talk about everyday topics and write essays.
They teach functional use of language rather than just thousands of words.

The only advantage the average /djt/fag has in the language is fewer dictionary lookups while reading. Which is kind of moot in the age of text hookers. Even while reading which is supposed to be your strong point, a student from a class will have better reading comprehension. They will also be far better at speaking and listening, and not even comparable when it comes to writing, as most people here can barely handwrite the 10 most common kanji.

>>142687111
>今日は暑すぎて気分悪かったそして朝でベッドを寝たんです。
悪かったので朝は
ベッドで
寝てたんです

>>142687111
Thinking back on that sentence I posted, it just doesn't feel right.
I wonder if this is more natural:
今日の朝はずっと寝てたなんか暑すぎて気分が悪かったんです

>>142687241
I do read but I feel I really just need to get comfortable writing things, I don't have the confidence that what I write is correct, sometimes I can just feel really wrong.

>>142685111
黒んぼ

>>142687610
Exchanging Genki phrases about the weather with other people who don't even speak Japanese is not my idea of functional. You'd be better of practicing production with natives on hellotalk.

>>142685320
in the USA japanese and german were popular at engineering programs about 10 years ago
now it's all about chinese though

>>142687700
> I don't have the confidence that what I write is correct, sometimes I can just feel really wrong.

Then read more

>>142687754
You clearly never been in a class if you really think that after one year people still talk in phrases instead of fairly complex sentences that they constructed.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

What does ずるむけ mean?

>>142687610
Although I agree with you, your mileage may vary when it comes to classes. >>142685783 says it the best. From my personal experience, after a year of classes there will inevitably be a handful of people who will be unable to read katakana, recognize simple kanji (一, 時, etc.), or struggle with the te form, and these people will hold everyone back

>>142687913
ズルズル剥けてる

>>142687573
Personally, I did not fare well with this approach. I picked a particularly easy read - Western fairy tales translated and rewritten for Japanese children to read. Reading it was easy enough, but it proved so uninteresting to me that I had neglected reading and spent much time with just the anki reps and listening to subbed anime.

What really hooked me on reading was a picture with speculation about a manga I liked, annotated in Japanese. Sheer interest motivated me to work through that picture, jargon and all, and then carry on to the blog it came from. I've been reading only compelling stuff ever since, even when it's way over my depth and I can barely manage half a page per sitting.

>>142687791
I've taken 3 high level Japanese classes and that's not what happens.

"散歩やえさのことがあるので犬を飼うのは大変です"

Because you have to walk and feed it, owning a dog is difficult?

>>142688305
>Because you have to walk and feed it, owning a dog is difficult?
Yes.

>>142688305
No, it's because you have to somehow get your imouto to have sex with it.

>Come back from japan
>just want to go back

I miss being able to drink in the street.

>>142687956
I guess that makes sense

>>142688532
I've been here two years and I don't know how to go back home.

Fluency is really my only goal here but I feel like by the time I reach it, I'll be too old to enjoy the kind of life I wish I could live here.

>>142687610
If, say, I had a particular job opportunity in Japan, or even serious plans to take a long trip there, then yeah, I'd hit up a language school, get tested and start in an appropriate class.

But since I have none of that lined up, I'm quite content with what online self-study can bring me, without the time and money costs of language classes. The /djt/ method of anki reps and compelling content builds up your ability to read, which allows you to bootstrap everything else, at whatever pace you can keep up.

>>142688720
Self-study is better than classes.

Anyone help me out here?

先敗

What is this?

>>142688779
A pun for failing at being a 先輩?

>>142688779
>先敗
If it's not a type, it means "a defeat in a previous match or whatnot."

I've started reading LNs (finally!) and I choose 電波女と青春男 as my first one, but reading now I'm a bit concerned... that I'm not going to learn anything.

My situation is that I *think* I can grammar almost perfectly, save some mistakes from unknown words, but generally I get the correct meaning almost perfectly, but my kanji knowledge is very, very poor. My shallow vocab is the second issue.

I'm using an OCR (KanjiTomo) to get all those kanjis and things are making sense fine, but will I get to learn/improve my flaws like this?

I mouseover, get the word, and move on without giving a second thought to it... and in less than 5 min I don't even remember what that word was if it appears again (kinda like my Anki reps, heh).

Am I doomed to eternal ignorance?
Is doing endless reps the only way to commit those unknown words and kanjis in my head?

>>142688936
You're not supposed to remember the word the first time you look it up. You remember it when it pops up again and again and again by spaced repetition, just like anki.

>>142688936
Don't fall for the meme. You don't learn from reading; you practice what you learned through reading.

If you're going to use reading as a learning tool, you have to do more than just glance at it and move on.

>>142688811
>>142688900

The sentence is

結婚したのは先敗だったかもしれん

Sounds like he's lamenting his marriage? He's talking about days gone by when he lived in a bigger city.

>>142689218
It's 失敗

>>142689218
It's a typo for 「失」敗.
Are you reading from a OCR material?

>>142689256
>>142689292

Oh shit thanks. I'm reading off PS1 graphics here.

>>142689113
This. It is true that I was learning english as a foreign language though Xenogears, but I only did so because I had a hugeass dictionary next to me looking at every second word on the way. (It took me 108 hours to play through the game 100% - try being a 14 year old who strugles to understand what "Selective Serotonine Reuptake Inhibitors" are).

>>142689314
Are you the idiot that thinks LNs are garbage so you're learning Japanese from old JRPGs?

>>142688693
What part?

I spent a bit in rural places. I loved it. A few JETs around to help you out, thirsty girls everywhere, and goddamn is liquor cheap. I only spent a month.

>>142689348

You're mad fucking butthurt that people don't like your shitty teenie-bopper stories.

Fuck off.

What are the advantages of praticing writing? Does it help that much with retention or is it better to just use that time for reading?

>>142687913
Peeled dick

昔気質
成就
建立
Sometimes I want to hate this language

>>142689452
If you have shit retention then it's a good idea to practice writing, but if your retention's fine you don't have to bother

>>142689452
Read

>>142687913
Peeled penis

>>142688131
>Reading it was easy enough, but it proved so uninteresting to me that I had neglected reading and spent much time with just the anki reps and listening to subbed anime.
I enjoy とつばと！ when I understand it. Even when I have to look something up, sometimes it still makes me smile when I figure out the sentence. Maybe that's just because I like SOL stuff though.

Also, I'm actually not using Anki. Not even for mining. I've decided I'm going to go full-Steve and just wing it. If I have to look up words, so be it - that will be my "spaced repetition".

>>142689440
I'll take that as a yes then

>>142689597
>Proud member of the never learning Japanese club

>>142680860
Did you even look
https://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=600545

>>142689113
I think I'd learn more if I did something too, but I don't know what.
I found that linking to something else I've seen helps a lot, I could remember 青春 after seeing it like twice as せいしゅん because of that アオハライド manga...

I'm not sure what to do with all those new words though, if I do take my time writing and looking for something that looks like it I'll probably do half a page a week. (and wouldn't enjoy reading it)

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>>142689597
Can't fault that.

>>142689655
>you can't learn a language without anki
Do you really believe that?

What's the deal with J-CAT? Why do I need to apply 72 hours in advance to take a computerized test? How does it assess my level of proficiency prior to taking the test? Can I take the test multiple times at my own leisure, or am a restricted to x number of times?

>>142689722
You can't learn a language without memorizing vocab.
Before anki, people used paper flashcards. Before paper flashcards, people wrote what they wanted to learn into textbooks and periodically read through it.

>>142689658
Oh shit, I only searched for ひとりのクオリア, sorry

Thanks for letting me know its on there anyway

>>142689660
Just use textbook mnemonics if you can't think of anything
They don't work for me though, I always associate with shapes, situations and frequently even romaji characters

>>142689819
>Why do I need to apply 72 hours in advance to take a computerized test?
You don't. You get an answer withing 72 hours, but it usually comes in like one. It's done for me the three times I've applieda anyway.
>Can I take the test multiple times at my own leisure
You can only take it once every 6 months, with the same account. You can take however many times you want by making a new account. But you shouldn't do that as you'll quickly being to recognize question.

>>142689840
>Before anki, people used paper flashcards.
You'd be amazed how young flashcards are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashcard
>Paper flashcards have been used since at least the 19th century, with Reading Disentangled (1834), a set of phonics flashcards by English educator Favell Lee Mortimer being credited by some as the first flashcards.[3]

>>142689840
>Before paper flashcards, people wrote what they wanted to learn into textbooks and periodically read through it.
Also, are you implying that not using Anki = not consulting online dictionaries and the DoJG when you don't understand/forget things?

>>142690039
Okay?
And before that, people wrote words into textbooks.

And before paper became widespread and cheap, knowing a foreign language was fairly rare and was mostly reserved for royalty.

>>142690125
It doesn't help a lot if you just forget it. It doesn't have to be anki, but you need some of practicing. Or are you planning to keep using dictionaries and DOJG 10 years from now?

>>142690181
>It doesn't help a lot if you just forget it. It doesn't have to be anki, but you need some of practicing. Or are you planning to keep using dictionaries and DOJG 10 years from now?
How is consulting a dictionary or the DoJG when you forget something any different from reviewing flashcards? How is looking up something in a dictionary or texbook any less valid a form of practice than using flashcards?

When you forget a flashcard in Anki, what do you do? You flip the card and remind yourself of the meaning. When you forget a word while reading, what do you do? You look it up and remind yourself of the meaning.

砂巾着

I'm convinced these threads are where the most pathetic remnants of human society come in a last ditch desperate attempt to make something of themselves and feel like they aren't standing at the precipice of suicide.

>>142690315
It takes you a minute to look up something in DOJG, while it takes 3 seconds to look at a flashcard and press again or good.

The difference in efficiency is not even comparable.

But I'm sure you know it better while still struggling with よつばと.

>>142678581
Cool OP.

How do you connect your sentences together to make a coherent compound? I feel like I am really lacking in knowing connectives or even how to join two separate sentences naturally together.

I went to bed as I was feeling a little ill and had eaten too much.

私はやすんでたちょっと病気と食べ過ぎたのです。

I doesn't sound quite right to me.

>>142690364
You'd know because you're the same.

>>142690383
>>It takes you a minute to look up something in DOJG, while it takes 3 seconds to look at a flashcard and press again or good.
You're comparing grammar with vocab. Pretty disingenuous.

>>142690483
You can put grammar into anki flashcards. There is a DOJG deck.

>>142690429
*病気になった

>>142690364
wew lad

>>142690494
Yeah, and reviewing grammar cards takes a lot longer because there's a lot more on them.

Again, disingenuous.

>>142689407
Previously Ibaraki, now Tokyo.

>>142689452
I usually write 30-40 kanji down, with definitions and furigana, during a 20 min anime episode playing in the background (to practice passive listening skills).

It certainly doesn't hurt. You probably want to learn how to read handwritten kanji eventually anyways, not everything is always going to be typed out.

>>142689660
I learned 青春 because my 3dpd wanted to share her 青春 karaoke songs (apparently a big deal in Japan). I can't say I remember the kanji but I always remember the word; building up connections like that is important.

>>142690315
You're underestimating how often you need to rely on a dictionary for a language as foreign as Japanese, since it doesn't use a Roman alphabet. Even looking words up by radicals is inefficient. The Japanese basically beat kanji into their children's heads - we don't have to do this as ineffectively, but we do still have to brute force our way into the language.

You're arguing for taking 10 years to get self-assessed N3, when the rest of us are looking to do it in 1-2.

>>142690429
Well, for starters the order is wrong.
私は食べ過ぎたので病気になって休んだ。

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>>142690531
Not really. The grammar point is colored blue on the deck, so if you know it it only takes 2-3 seconds to recognize it and press good.
If you don't recognize it at a glance you can read the rest of the sentence which takes about 10 seconds. Then if you got it completely wrong, you can read as much as you need.

It only takes more than random vocab if you need to re-learn the grammar point, but reviews are fast.

>>142690588
Doesn't that say that I was ill because I ate too much.

How is this?　
ちょっと病気になってと食べ過ぎた休んです。

>>142690701
>If you don't recognize it at a glance you can read the rest of the sentence which takes about 10 seconds.
Are you testing yourself on your ability to remember a sentence or your ability to remember grammar?

Also, you seem to be ignoring the several month long investment required to complete the DoJG deck.

>>142690761
Are you trying to say that you ate too much because you got ill? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

>>142690799
>Are you testing yourself on your ability to remember a sentence or your ability to remember grammar?
The grammar, of course. That's why you look at the blue highlighted part first.

>several month long investment required to complete the DoJG deck.
Takes about as much time as reading through the book itself, anon.

> 特徴のないのが特徴とか言ってごまかされてた。
(She) doesn't have any particular characteristic but she'd fool you thinking she has.

Is this correct?

>>142690577
I was planning to be able to read simple stuff before deciding on learning writing or not since I can get by with Google translate, the question was if it would help me get there faster

>>142690809
I think I am using the んです construction wrong.

I need something like that links the two separate events and goes "and so I went to bed"

ちょっと病気になったと食べ過ぎた
is the と appropriate here or is there a better way to link to separate reasons as in "I am ill" for unspecified reason and "ate too much".

I have been thinking about だから and そして to say "and so I went to bed" but they just don't feel right.

>>142689440
So you talk shit about material you can't read while begging for help reading material you can't read? You sound very smart. Your life was a 先敗

>>142690964
I was fooled by being told that having no characteristic traits is a trait in itself.

>>142691092
Whew, thanks, I don't think I'd ever get that... took me some reading your sentence and thinking on the original looking and how it fitted in.

>>142690364
Someone's having a bad day

>>142691017
how about you try to stop posting and kill yourself

>>142690364
>>142690460
>>142691063
>>142691348

Pure fucking toxic. Report and ignore.

Y'all need to go out and get some human contact for once.

>>142691433
that's funny because i'm posting from "outside" right now

people who can't read shouldn't ask retarded questions

>>142691517

Why are you even here? Seriously.

>>142691558
to make you my bitch

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Hey, newfag here, I just finished memorizing hiragana, should I learn vocabulary yet or wait until I finish memorizing katakana?

I wish I had a time machine so I could get 5 years into the future and read stuff I want to already.

It's like nearly impossible to speed up the process without burning out...

>>142691923
I'm getting through hiragana and waiting until both hiragana and katakana are memorized to start some kanji. and then go for vocab.

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ございまーす！ＤＪＴ、仕事をさせてくださーい！

>>142691923
ｋａｔａｋａｎａ

>>142691972
>travel 5 years into the future
>you find out that you burned out 4.5 years ago and quit

>>142692050
>本文を消した
ＲＵＩＮＥＤ

>doing a test from sou matome n3
>all these words I don't recognize
>look up on jisho
why is every vocab labeled N2, is there a reason for this? I don't mind learning above my level of course, but I was losing confidence because it feels like every question has a word I don't know.

>can read fantasy/scifi VN
>can't read financial/political news
Boring vocab just doesn't go into my head.

>>142692448
Here is your perscription:
>Spice and Wolf
>LoGH

>>142690964
This 誤魔化す doesn't mean "to deceive nor confound (you)."
It means "to evade (the topic or question" in this case.

>>142691923
Katakana is a must.
Then start grammar AND vocab.

Actually, I'd recommend going for grammar first, as you'll get some basic vocab during it, and when you're done (it's not much) you'll be able to read pretty much anything with a dictionary and then you can take your time enjoying stuff and growing vocabulary.

http://www.kecl.ntt.co.jp/icl/lirg/resources/goitokusei/goi-test.html

Remember those English "how much vocabulary do you know?" tests? Well, here's the Japanese version.

>told i have to wait a year to join a japanese language school in japan
>slowly arranging everything
>a week ago a seat opened up
>have 4 months to learn as much japanese as humanly possible
>still have to prepare to make the move overseas and sell all my shit
>person in charge of applications completely jerking me around
>asks me to submit paperwork
>takes a day to even respond to the simplest questions
holy shit i am stressed the fuck out

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>>142693274

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このスレドはとてもうまらないな

>>142693575
どこに埋まれてほしいですか。

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>>142693678
あんたの家

How do you say "play this song"?
Like play off of a phone or a music player.

>>142694549
再生

>>142693503
You didn't know what a sweet potato was?
You should buy a big one and make smash sweet potato out of it, with cream, and tell yourself that you're enjoying さつま芋. Japanese learning is the most enjoyable when you can eat it.

I'll never forget 小学生.

>>142694695
I usually half-skip through food scenes.

>>142694767
>visualnovelfag with shit taste afraid to leave his hugbox and go to /jp/ where vns are on topic
Every time.

>>142694876
But anon food scenes are widely considered to be the shittiest parts of the stories.

post some cool vocabs

風鈴

>>142695129
ちんぽ

>type じゃくにくきょうしょく to get 弱肉強食
>google suggests 弱肉教職 as the second option
kek'd.

>>142695372
a while back i was googling the definition of 織物 and i kept getting results about your おりもの being yellow and smelling bad being a sign of illness

i was kind of confused and figured they meant your clothes going unwashed being a sign of depression or something until i found out there was another おりもの in play

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You thought you could learn Japanese?

>>142694998
Bullshit, I love mining new obscure 50 stroke kanji from food scenes.

I'm reading something and this sentence got me totally lost:

> ここ一番決めるのは難しい、だけど決められればそれまでの流れさえ変えられる可能性も秘めている。
> 果敢に挑戦したいところだ。

Context is a he's talking about things that give points to his "youth experience", and he's explaining what's worth 3 points.
"Now the success chance of these actions come mixed into it" (ie. it's rare)

> ここ一番決めるのは難しい
This is the hardest to decide on,

> だけど決められればそれまでの流れさえ変えられる可能性も秘めている。
But if I could decide based on everything so far the difference would be that the possibility is hidden.

> 果敢に挑戦したいところだ。
Around on how much I want to boldly challenge it. (wtf?)

Did I get the meaning correctly? And what does that last sentence means? I couldn't make sense of it.

>>142696107
> だけど決められればそれまでの流れさえ変えられる可能性も秘めている。
if he can decide then there's the possibility that he could change the 流れ up to that point

>>142696465
Thanks, makes more sense now, but I'm still not sure about the 秘めている. I'm guessing he's talking "there's a hidden possibility".

Last line then just shows he strongly wants to change it, is that it?

How are you supposed to play through all the routes of a VN? When you make a different choice most of the following text is the same but with occasionally new parts so you can't really skip past it.

>>142696894
Most VNs made in the last 10 years support 既読のみ skip. Look in the settings.

Who else /reading.txtLNsformattedinJNovelFormatterandconvertedto.htmlsoyoucanuseRikaisama/ master race?

>>142697317
You can open txt files right in your browser, you know, html conversion isn't necessary.

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I can't understand the sentence marked with 傍点.
一部の鑞は床に落ちて弾けずに、小さな球体ーーーあるいは粒になって転がっていた
Some solder is fallen on the ground intact and formed tiny balls. Or did they become beads and roll?
What is 鑞 exactly?
Is it part of a candle? My dictionary say it's solder used to combine pieces of metal wich dosen't make much sense seeing as how this is a crime scene with a girl stabbed with a candle formed into a stake.

I don't understand the sentence structure

>>142680903
Spats maybe?

>>142681108
>>142682380
>>142698151
holy crap is it that hard for you guys to just google it before making random ass guesses

>>142698010
It's just wax

>>142698290
Wait I see, you >>142698010
got the left radical wrong

>>142698010
You got the wrong kanji. That's a 虫 on the left, not 金

>>142698290
>>142698326
Fuck! I just looked up Rou and assumed it was it.
Thanks.

>>142698010
>真珠のネックレス
Hehe.

>>142698010
Actually I still don't understand the use of 粒になって転がっていた
Am I using the correct meaning of 粒?
Isn't that the same thing as balls pretty much?

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>it's a ヤバすぎ妻 episode

Episode 1 was quite good, I recommend it

>>142698686
Dramas are fucking awful shit for women, dude. Just watch comedy like anyone normal.

>>142698755
I watch mongolian animated drawings, it cannot be worse than that, リア充先輩

>>142698912
Dramas are 100% normie housewife shit though.

>>142698755
not gonna make it

>>142698010
、、、、、
ボクはゲイ

>>142698290
>蠟 does not show up when I try piecing it together in the radical search
>turns out 蝋 is the shinjitai form
>蠟 is the kyuujitai form and a 印刷標準字体
>印刷標準字体 is a thing

Th... Thanks.

>>142699322
That explains everything!

Besides the /int/ japanese thread are there any places where native Japanese and English speakers can go to talk about hobbies and things? (not just language learning)

Not 1-on-1 conversations.

>>142699119
>not learning nip so you can watch the Japanese dub of Coronation Street

>>142699119

Better than LNs.

>>142699411
So basically the author is being a dick for no reason whatsoever?

>>142699569
Authors are just spamming space, it's the editor who should catch shit like that.

>>142699569
Yes, because the author is writing with baka gaijin in mind

>>142699565
love this meme

Reading LNs is probably the quickest way to improve your Japanese.

>>142699533
http://wc2014.2ch.net/dejima/

>>142699411
Is this why I always see 頸 in books and 首 in VN.

>>142699569
The Japanese language is the real dick here. Using that particular kanji is probably SOP for the publisher.
>limit kanji to a closed list
>apply some simplifications (compared to trad. Chinese) to some kanji
>oh wait, the printing industry didn't give a fuck and kept the traditional versions
>here's another list with the unsimplified variants those clowns still use

>ナイロン

why is a word i've seen used less than 10 times in my life in core2k?

>>142700068
Frequency taken from newspapes

nylon's a big deal in Japan apparently.

>>142696894
Just in case you are doing it wrong, hitting the skip button only skips already read text by default in most VNs. If you are holding CTRL it skips everything. I remember being confused because I thought they both worked the same.

>>142699747
What books are you reading?

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>>142699975
Apparently, some kanji actually got added to joyo list because they became easier to produce thanks to computer input.

>>142700828
Which book is that?

>>142700857
新完全マスターＮ３

>>142700828
>there are people here who weren't learning japanese back when 誰 and 鬱 weren't jouyou

失恋したってここで座っている

うんこして試した

おならやっただけ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw0t23a3HLM

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> ガンジャ

>>142702930

Only after studying!

>>142702930
下等生物中毒者死ね

Watch out, boys. Mr T is going to rape you and call you a fool.

Someone should cut out a bunch of segments from NHK news podcasts where they say a bunch of numbers, like the stock prices and foreign exchange sections, and stick them all together to get an hour of almost pure number listing

Then just listen to it every day for a week until you're completely used to numbers.

>>142703613
sounds about as effective as the other dumb shit ppl here do lol

あなたはペニスをしたいですか?　確かに
So this means, "do you want to do things with my penis? -certainly" ?

>>142703801
Like sucking my dick to bring out the drops of wisdom?

>>142703852
確かに

>>142703801
Go away Jamal you contribute nothing

>>142703892
youre here all day everyday why is that

>>142703945
I ask you the same question

"I'm a stupid fuck that's going to try reading without even knowing like ten words or finishing the basics section of Tae Kim":
Hanahira
Axanael

"I'm a beginner":
Any normal moege. Even ones with EPIC TWISTS are fine as long as they start out simple and don't turn into pretentious schlock.

"I want to start reading harder material":
Steampunk, Ley Line, etc. Pick a normal story game that isn't targeted at a specific demographic. If you pick one that's meant for a specific demographic it's probably going to have a lot of writing problems.

"Just fuck my shit up":
Genji. Get crackin'.

>>142703842
No, literally "Do you want to do a penis? Certainly"

I think they're talking about making a male baby, hoping he'll grow a penis.

>>142704399
What's this sudden outburst all about?

>>142704399
This is one of the ｄｅｅｐｅｒ posts in this shithole I mean thread lol

i decided to come see how my djt boys were doing threw out one quick zinger and youre right up my ass flaming me like turbo like fly to shit (get the joke)

you know i havent been around as much lately

heres the part where you say 来なくてもいいじゃん or w/e

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLjowH7l3cs

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>>142678581
素晴らしい

>>142704466
Thanks a lot

>>142704641
That's some great nihongo

>>142704641
very cool romanjis and overall music choice but i noticed youre lacking what is called good music

Mr T is dancing and singing and all that, but he´s doing it on a branch. All that talent and can still still keep his balance? That´s a real performing artist.

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>>142704641
superior

>>142704794
>I'm an epic hacker I use foobar2000!
Cool.

>>142704859
would you like bonzi buddy to round out your bloatware winamp pack it really whips the llamas ass dude

>>142704936
I use linux and we don't have it here. I don't trust big corporations you see
I'm writing this using the command line by the way and a browser with no GUI (that's a graphical interface)

>>142704794
>windows
Lol.

Where the whole 猫舌 thing come from anyway? Wouldn't any animal be hesitant to drink something really hot? It's not exactly something they would typically encounter in the wild, unless they stumble on a hot spring or something.

>>142705013
>Wouldn't any animal be hesitant to drink something really hot?
You do it all the time though.

>>142705002
>implying windows

Will there ever be another japanese artist as great as shina ringo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9X68cf40FU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLIPxfCKvE
https://vimeo.com/130569268

>>142706576
The second song really reminds me of another song but I can't remember which. The part where she starts almost screaming, I definitely heard something very similar before.

>>142706576
I hate it.

>>142706576
Yes if you crawl out of your sphere

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>>142706576
yes, but right as they're discovering their talents, they get taken in by a shady agent who works them to the bone while paying them peanuts in return
Then they finally snap and the story ends with a double-homicide suicide in the back alley of a sold out concert hall, right in front of the agents child, bruce wayne.

>>142684375
I definitely study more than an average dude. I read a couple hours a day minimum and haven't missed a day of anki (400-500 cards/day average) in almost 2 years.
>>142684857
I was speaking from the perspective of a normal person, not of a military pace (which I don't consider to be too relevant considering how almost no one will go that fast).

>>142706576
yea his name is dj go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjHjxukOtkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAPjJieMZZQ
https://vimeo.com/37510986

>>142682081

Do you actually produce anything, or do you just spend all of your time reading and staring at flash cards? Maybe you should start engaging with native speakers more. Tweeting to Japanese people or shitposting on message boards might be good for you.

>>142682081
it's ok at two years of serious study you're only guaranteed to be N2

any more than that is a personal bonus for your brain being good

you've got six years to be a fluent reader, don't worry about i

>>142706984

Holy fuck, Wayne enterprises is a J-pop factory? It all makes sense now.

Yeah.

>>142707500
why would anyone worry about u

>>142707222
looks like garbage not even gonna bother trying to listen

>>142707276
I do tweet to Japanese people.
>>142707500
That whole post was basically me blogging about figuring out it's okay to be still not fluent at 2+ years

>>142707276
Nothing the nips love more than foreigners shitposting on their messageboards, after all.