DBS new arc

source?

>>142306343
Its confirmed Trunks and Mai are bound by fate.

BEST GIRL WOOOON!

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Why the hell is Trunks blue-haired? He's not on SSJG2 mode

will super finally have good animation and decent attempt at characterization

>>142306447
No and maybe.

>>142306343
>Trumps ended up with a woman that tried to kill his mother
He's his mother's son all right

>>142306430
Maybe they changed Future Trunks to blue hair to distinguish him further from normal Trunks.

> tfw the arc only takes place in the future with Mirai Trunks and Mai and the MCs

Please Toei.

>>142306500
>*as the MCs

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>the fucking dating they did in BoG when mai got turned into a kid is turning into something

That's actually sort of amazing

>>142306343
So did Future Pilaf also use the Dragon Balls to make himself and his gang young?

>>142306343
wow, an intriguing dragon ball super storyline. didn't see that coming

>>142306564
Doesn't seem possible as they'd have to do it before the androids show up.

>>142306562
But BoG never happened n Future Trunks' timeline

Maybe mirai trunks isn't the one from the android arc we know but just the actual one coming from the future.
That would explain a lot.

>>142306620
They'll figure out some fucking way to make it connect

literally anything can be canon at this point

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> best boy and best girl are back as a couple

They should just have made a movie focused on them holy shit.

>>142306343
Um... how is Mai there in here current state? There are no Dragon Balls in Trunks's timeline, meaning the Pilaf gang would not have been able to wish themselves into kids for her to grow up again to Trunks age. And how did they even meet?

>>142306776
It may not be the future trunks of the android time.

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>>142306776
>meaning the Pilaf gang would not have been able to wish themselves into kids for her to grow up again to Trunks age. And how did they even meet?

>>142306343
Trunks has the best taste in Women.

>>142306798
But then why would he have a time machine? That was built by Bulma specifically for the purpose of saving Goku from his heart disease so that he could fight the androids. Even in Cell's timeline, it was built for that purpose.
No Android bad future means that no time machine will be built.

>literally fanfiction

>>142306840
They could easily make up some other timeline with circumstances that called for a time machine.

In fact it would not surprise me if its a future trunks from the current timeline.

>>142306847
anything after the end of the manga is fanfic. Toriyama has gone senile at this point so whatever he says and does doesn't matter much either.

If it's the future trunks from the actual timeline trying to get help , it means everyone died or isn't stong enough to fight black goku including beerus ans whis ?! That's hard to believe..

>I-it's not the same Trunks from the Cell saga!! Even when the v-jump says that he is!

Oh god this meme again

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>>142306343
>>142306822
>>142306833
All these decades being a Maifag is finally paying off

>>142306840
Why can't this time machine have been built by the Bulma in this Trunk's timeline specifically for some other purpose?

>>142306878
Maybe Goku just goes insane because he realizes he is aging and its all downhill from here and fuses with an evil Kai.

>>142306878
Berus and Whis does not have to get involved you know

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>>142306343
Is Mirai Trunks a cuck?

>>142306920
End yourself.

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>>142306343
Hey, it's Turles. Sick earrings you got there, Turles.

>>142306884
How old is she supposed to be?

>>142306980
Old enough for straight shota

>>142306980
Physically, probably around Future Trunks's age there.
But her actual age is around Bulma's age, as said in BoG.

>>142306980
+60

>>142306913
seeing how bulma sumons whis whenever she wants , for her to build a time machine means whis isn't there anymore. Why would he not answer this time ?

>>142306343
So, Time Patrol Mai in Xenoverse 2, right?

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>>142306975

So if Alt universe Goku fused with someone, who do you think it was? He looks mostly Goku, so it must have been another saiyan? Were there any other evil humans floating around he accidentally fused with?

>>142306975
>>142307076
That's turles, goku and bardock fusion man don't you see it ?

>>142307066
They got sick of Earth food. Goku Black killed Whis and Beerus. That lord of everything guy bans them from interfering with Earth affairs.

>>142307066
Because he gets treats? He already did her and earth a favor when Freeza destroyed it.

Seeing as when it's time to be serious he actually steps up

>>142307076
He fused with every other Goku in the multiverse

>>142307066
>seeing how bulma sumons whis whenever she wants , for her to build a time machine means whis isn't there anymore

He can only rewind time by three minutes

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>>142307076
How bout Evil Goku will be fusing with Good Goku to fight some bigger evil?

>>142306343
wouldnt she be much older?

didnt they lose the dragon balls after piccolo was killed in the alternate timeline... and didnt pilaf make a whish that made them all younger in the current timeline?

so she should look older then future bulma in that picture right?

>>142306878
I'd say this is still the same future trunks from android/cell saga

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I had a huge crush on Mai when I was a kid.

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evil goku has been done two or three times already

>>142307139
Maybe Future Goku and co got off their lazy fucking asses and used King Kai to tell Trunks where Namek was. He got a new guardian with new dragonballs.

>>142307176
It's not a secret that dragonball has been creatively bankrupt since Freiza saga, it's just a matter of how long until the less fanatic fans drops DBS, I know I have

>>142307148
Then how is mai this young , goku alive and why is trunks wearing bulma actual scarf too ? That's got to be hints that it's present trunks.

>>142307166
>>142306884
>>142306343

I want to be Trunks

>>142307139
There's already the plot hole in super that mai and pilaf couldn't have possibly been turned to kids. We don't see how they were in the tv series, but if it's implied it was from dragon balls, then how were they ready for use so soon afterwards to tell goku about ssj god?

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>>142307176
Bardock isn't really evil or even "Goku" in any way and while Turles DOES fit that description (as intended when he was designed), he's still not Goku himself.

It's like saying Linkle is Link, or Black Battler is Battler.

>>142307235
Its Trunks from a timeline where Team Champa won. Goku fused with Hit to take down Champa/Vados then became evil.

>>142307315
source on that, or is it current head canon?

If they really wanted to, couldn't they just say Pilaf and Gang turned into kids at an earlier point in Trunks' timeline? It's not like everything the same. They didn't know about the hearts virus or the androids in his timeline. Who's to say Pilaf didn't use them before the androids showed up and killed Piccolo?

>>142307355
They could have, but why would they? They aren't very old at that point right?

>>142307315
goku would have been purple if that were the case. But maybe it's a timeline created cause of the 6th universe earth being wished back.

>>142307348
>head canon
yes

Is this going to be another 10 episode arc or are we getting something long this time?

Holy fuck looks interesting

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Green potaras, who could this be ?...

>>142306343
Goku looks almost identical even if the earrings suggest a Potara fusion.

Assuming he has fused, who did he fuse with? Gohan? Raditz? Has to be someone that shares a lot with him ato end up that similar.

Or he has not fused yet in that image, but is about to, in which case since the fusion takes on both personalities, it can't be someone good, otherwise he wouldn't be a villain. Could still fuse with Vegeta and turn out evil as long as it's to the end of surpassing/fighting Goku though.

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>>142307130
Would they make Neutral Goku? Doesn't sound like a very powerful Goku.

>>142307500
TORIYAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Isn't this basically /ss/?

Gohan wore similar earrings when unlocking his true power.
What if this is an evil version of that?
I too suspect it's not Android timeline trunks, but future of dbsuper trunks

>>142307611
Gohan earrings were blue.

>>142307600
Don't question it, just go with it

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>>142307537
>Black Goku killed the Kais and took their earrings in the time he was dead
>His goal is to fuse with the strongest people he can find to fuel his power
>Trunks (who I assume has been training) is one of his targets since he's the only decent power he can sense

It's like a really fucked up Buu Saga but with fusion instead of absorption

>>142307625
Right, because they weren't fusion earrings
Oh shit
What if they're fission earrings
And this is gokus evil side split from his good.

>>142307691
Yeah the potara earrings have pretty good offensive potential. I mean imagine if Goku used instant transmission to attach one to Buuhan. Sure it isn't ideal but not like the alternatives would have been any better if Vegeta wasn't available to fuse with.

Maybe Dark Goku can actually have some or full control over the result. If he was after Trunks and arrives in U7, I imagine he's going to go after Vegeta and/or Goku as soon as he senses them.

>>142307820
The question is how he'd get to another time by himself. Instant Transmission can only do so much for him and I can't imagine him staying in the future timeline.

>>142306343
So how powerful is F. Trunks now

Trunks/Pan shippers on suicide watch!

>>142308235
He's using a Sword again. Whatever Trunks this is supposed to be, he's clearly nothing but a scrub.

Good god, the thing I´m looking forward the most is the Mai/Trunks interaction scenes. I don´t even care about everything else.

>>142306884
Mai is best girl

>>142306343
Damn. How will they asspull goku black?

>>142307221
Apparently not since you keep posting in all the DBS threads

>>142308368
I'm looking forward to what kind of interactions the video games will come up with for Black Goku and several characters.

Like, what would his dialogue with Broly, Bardock, Future Gohan, Turles and such be?

>>142308402
>Le pseudointellectual post

>>142308396
Nigga, come on.

What's the show called, again?

come on

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>>142307500

>>142307166
>that doujin
Good taste, my friend.

>>142308368
Same. I thought they were going to drop the Trunks/Mai thing from the movies

Turns out it's a whole fucking saga

>>142308235
He's beyond that of a SSJ3 according to the translation. So it seems he's SSG levels

>>142308235
Look at his hair, he's clearly ssj blue now

>>142308560
Hair isn't spiked, so he isn't you fucking retard.

>>142308569
No need to be so rude when correcting someone.

>>142308555
Where was the translation?

>>142306847
Trunks' initial appearance was fanfic as fuck. So was the Freeza arc's amount of power creep. So was Goku being an alien.

>Black Goku wears all-black clothes
>Black Goku will have a white-haired super saiyan form

>>142308555
That's awesome. I'm glad Trunks is a SSJG now and has a super hot girl too.

>>142306343
So what's the deal with Trunks and Mai? Are they married or something?

>>142308655
Trunks is probably -the- prototypical donut steel

This is trunks he is the son of bulma and vegeta and even though he's a half saiyan like gohan he has purple hair because of bulmas he is really cool he fights with a SWORD! and he is so powerful that he can fite frieezer and kill him super easy and he is a super saiyan like GOKU even though there can only be one legendary super saiyan and he is even more powerful than Frizzers dad KING COLD!

>>142308731
Literally the only living female he could stick his dick in in that world.

https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/pan-and-trunks

:p

>>142308586
No need to correct either, as it's clearly a fucking joke

>>142308752
Don't other women exist or something

>>142308790
Yes but Dragon ball is about rehashing characters and ideas for money.

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>>142308569

>>142308752
Bulma is also around.

So they're making a character who's been neglected for years as the main character aka Mai?

Next we'll have Maron be canon

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>>142308790
There's Bulma, and MAYBE Videl if she somehow survived.

But if Videl is alive Trunks would be all up in that shit since pre-Gohan Videl is perfect.

>>142308860
Yeah the old Videl was based as fuck

Gohan fucking ruined her

>>142308945
>See those twin tails
>You should cut those

Gohan is a war criminal, he deserves all the shit treatment he gets

>>142308945
Sayaijin have the innate ability to ruin women after marriage.

>>142308945
More like Videl and Gohan both were ruined.

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>>142308821
>>142308860
>Bulma

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>>142308980
And that was just the start of his path of destruction. It's insane.

>>142308980
I'm glad Gohan is getting treated like shit and his fags getting false hope he'll be relevant again

Ruined Videl. From sassy, kickass female to some generic bland housewife

>>142308991
Yeah Goku and Vegeta definitely did a number on Chi Chi and Bulma.

Now I'm worried about Mai.

>>142309054
How was Gohan ruined?
He accomplished what he set out to do and followed his non fighting nature

>>142308980
That was already the case in the Buu arc, and he didn't need to turn into a skinny faggot for that.

>>142306840
>>142306798
There is still the forth timeline from Z, where the future Trunks that Cell killed went to

>>142309070
>long shirt and spats?
>cover up young lady

Remove Gohan

>>142309101
>and he didn't need to turn into a skinny faggot for that.

You're right he shouldn't have. He should have gotten worse

>>142309071
>Chi Chi

Maybe Goku Black can set her on the right path....

>>142309147
>Chi Chi gets blacked

>>142309147
>>142309211

Fuck you guys now you're turning me into a shipper

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>>142309147
I dunno, I somehow feel like Black Goku would prefer Bulma.

>>142307500
Mother fuck.

>>142309268
Even better

Or maybe he gets a threesome. He's got enough black to go around

>>142307500
Good God....

So Gokugara?

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>>142309362
Maybe he can get his hands on 18 and even Videl while he's at it.

>>142309414
Goku Black is going to leave his mark on history by banging all the Z fighters' wives

>Future Trunks is hanging with Mai
Literally what, also isn't she like 70 by now
Also does this mean Supreme Kai of Time is a NTRing whore?

>>142306343
Honestly the idea of Trunks and Mai being canon angers me so much. I say this as a Trunks and Pan shipper but he was MUCH more compatible with Pan than Mai. It's such bullshit that I'm not even going to watch this saga. I'm done. This was the last straw.

>>142306776
It can work if they wished themselves into becoming babies right before the androids popped up. Or they somehow made it all the way to New Namek just to get turned into children.

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>>142309452
>Mai from his own timeline
>Chi-chi
>Bulma
>18
>Videl
>17's unnamed wife
>Loli Mai
>Gine

>>142309454
>Also does this mean Supreme Kai of Time is a NTRing whore?

Yes. She wanted to hop on Bardock's dick after all.

>>142309492
Pan is much younger than him though.

>>142309517
To be fair Bardock's wife is long dead

>>142306343
>more time travel nonsense
At least we're getting more Trunks and Mai.

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>>142309606
So is Bardock.

It's not like it matters either way to the literal God of time.

>>142309681
Yeah that's the good thing about this despite it making no sense

>>142309696
She really wants to fuck Bardock

>>142306343
>Trunks with Mai

IT'S HAPPENING!

Provisional "NOTGOKU" rankings
Black Goku > Bardock >>>>>>>>>>> Turles

>>142309504
>They collected the Dragon Balls during the three year gap before the androids appeared
>Their wish actually turned them into babies
>Someone found and raised them while the shit with the androids was going down
>They leave after that blew over and they were old enough
That will likely make more sense than the explanation they'll come up with.

>Dragon Ball revival happened because Toriyama was unhappy with DB Evolution
>That movie randomly made Mai Piccolo's henchwoman
>Now Mai is Trunks's girlfriend in DBS

This has to be a jab at DBE.

>>142309774
A creator saying an adaptation of their work in Japan is huge. They usually just talk around it or give false platitudes.

That's how bad DBE was.
He's been vocal in criticism of the animation of Super too as well.

>>142308747
yeah, but keep in mind he gets BTFO pretty early on.

>>142309743
what is this Blacked Goku everyone is talking about

>>142309827
Dark Goku technically, in Japanese "Goku Black" is the equivalent of "Dark Goku" in English.

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>>142309827
Literally the OP image you cock wrangler.

>>142309827
The Goku in the OP image

>>142309827
Look at OP's image, you retard.

>>142309827
See the op's pic?
That evil looking Goku wearing Demigra's green earing whilst wearing black clothes?

That's black Goku and he's suppose to be the new arc villain.

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>>142309774
>That movie randomly made Mai Piccolo's henchwoman

>>142306430
Maybe his future world will be completely destroyed and he'll be stuck in the present from now on? So, they're giving him a different hair color to differentiate him from present Trunks, when he gets older.

>>142309851
>>142309852
>>142309856
>>142309857
>>142309865
How the fug am I supposed to his name, is it something you made up or what

>>142309851
>>142309851
It's worth noting somewhat that he's specifically Goku Burakku (Black) rather than Goku Kuro (Japanese for Black) too.

Finally, I hate Kid Trunks so much. Hope this Trunks is true to form and not a wimp fag like Gohan or Goten.

Oh shit, then this is current Trunks future? would explain why Mai is older.

Also, that earring probably makes Goku evil.

>>142307166
And then it only took decades until she got two doujinshi worth a shit.

>>142309492
>Honestly the idea of Trunks and Mai being canon angers me so much
>I say this as a Trunks and Pan shipper
>he was MUCH more compatible with Pan than Mai
All Dragon Ball official pairings are not about compatibility but the amount of shit and giggles. TrunksXMai is so utterly bullshit it becomes awesome.

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>>142308991
>>142309071
Chi Chi would still look cute if she let her hair down

>>142309932
That timeline's Goku died of the heart virus so it's probably someone who has these evil potara or something that wished for him to come back alive and then forced the earring on him.

>>142309881
He is an evil Goku dressed in black. Not our fault you were too stupid to figure it out.

So...SS White?

>>142309932

Or it's Demigra.

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Maybe in an alternate timeline, Goku didn't hit his head and still is a evil sayan like Raditz and moved to another timeline where Goku was already dead from his heart disease.

>>142310063
Toriyama said something along the lines of him choosing SS Blue because white would clash with the next villain, so quite possible.

>>142309866

That didn't last very long though.

>>142309932
It's not current Trunks. The official profiles have often mentioned that it's the same one that killed Cell and the androids in his future.

>>142309990
Vegeta didn't have a halo even though Vegeta was dead when Goku fused with him. So, someone could fuse with the dead Goku and it'd result in a living fusion.

>>142310105

He meant Freeza.

>>142310177
That interview was post-Freeza though. Why wouldn't he mention freeza by name?

>>142310168
Knowing how time works in Dragonball the pilaf gang was probably Piccolos henchmen for about 1 minute

>>142310200

Because it's Toriyama. He forgot Freeza's name.

>>142310177
Possibly, but Frieza goes golden when Goku goes blue, so that eliminates the clash.

>>142310063
>Black Goku
>White Super Saiyan form

I've said it way before when Black Goku's name was just revealed, but that's absolutely something Toriyama would do.

>>142306343

>trunks has time to slay grandma pussy but not to take a trip to namek to revive his friends

>>142308113
Dragon Balls
>Dragon Balls don't exist in future Trunks timeline
It's DBS, they probably say that Trunks found namek and revived the Dragon Balls. Or that nigger Goku found new namek.

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>The Trunks/Mai ship wasn't forgotten

I try to get out but the show keeps pulling me back in

>>142310434
They didn't know where New Namek was until Goku used instant transmission to find it.

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>>142309078
Because instead of keeping him apart of the adventure, as with mainy of the characters that aren't too keen on fighting aliens and demons, but do it anyway, we've excluded him under the excuse of WELL, HOMEWORK, WELL NORMAL LIFE.

We've seen that Gohan and Videl are willing to go out of their way to go stop crime, even if they don't delicate their entire lives to fighting. Teen Gohan's first moments on screen are him stopping a bank robbery.
People hated it. No one was a big fan of slice of life in DBZ then, and fuck that, it didn't have Goku or Vegeta, or Goku or Vegeta!

Gohan's being excluded not because LIFE'S DREAM THIS IS ALL I WANTED, it's because he's being left out of the fucking adventure, that's why. If he was in it, he'd threaten the Goku/Vegeta Battle Buddy Power Hour, and we can't have that.

It'd be like if YYH revived, the gang gets back together, and they go to Kurama and ask him if he wants in on the adventure and he's like "Nah, I'd rather plant this garden instead!" and the entire time, he's at his garden instead of in the cast's new adventures. That's called being written out of the show, but in DB Super-land, this is just the character getting what they wanted, and fans who like their favorite character to take part of the new adventure are confused and don't understand their character.

I don't know why simple concepts as 'this character is being written out of the story' twist themselves into goals and lifelong achievements for characters when it comes to DB Super

>>142308747
Trunks would be a donut steel if it wasn't for the fact that after he is introduced he basically gets his ass kicked all over the place for the rest of the series

>>142309147
Can already feel the NTR doujins happening

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How hope one of these days we get to see Goku met kid Goku.

>>142310593
>that stupid bandanna and shades over that bitching helmet
I'm still mad

>>142310596
I have no reason to believe it's the case, but I like to think it's because Toriyama came to the realisation that the premise of Trunks is awful like that but he'd be fine if he did get his ass whooped.

>>142306343
>shit is getting interesting!
You mean shit is getting even more retarded.
I miss GT, I really fucking do.

>>142310593
DBZ didn´t have adventure though, it was all fights and waiting till the next fight, and training till the next fight.
DB is the adventure filled series.

>>142309492
Trunks and Pan is a little too close home to me, even though I know they aren't realted.

My issue with MAI AND TRUNKS LOL! is they keep pushing it over and over and over and over, even though the series doesn't give a shit about Trunks unless it's Future Trunks, and that's only if he's bringing a storyline with him.

Not to mention, it opens up a bunch of plotholes to think about.
I mean, think about it. Not only does this require Trunk's timeline to get Dragonballs (which is just hard, not impossible), that means that Pilaf's gang gathered the Dragonballs and created the same exact wish to become young again?

Mark my words, it won't make sense.

>>142310658
>GT

Kill yourself please

>>142310658

See you next week!

>>142306343
>mirai trunks is with mai
OTP

>trunks having blue hair

WHAT THE FUCK. CAN'T THEY GET ANYTHING RIGHT? FUCKING TORIYAMA.

>>142306847
Just as fanfiction as super eeevvill dragon balls or magic Android 17 fusion.

Is this the Days of Future Past of the DB Universe?

>>142310922
You do know that GT being shit doesn't stop Super from being shit, right?
You can hate both of them.

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>>142310668
I'm just pointing out the irony that people hated slice of life in DBZ when it first appeared, along with the filler episodes that did it and now that's the claim to fame Super, and the only time we can expect any of the other characters to get any time devoted to them (unless it's time to fight, then make room for Goku and Vegeta!)

I'd be satisfied with the idea that Gohan has a perfect book end, except for the fact that he has to dust off the ol' green jumpsuit so he can get slapped around some more, or not show up because the series can't be assed to do anything with him anymore.

I don't know why we have to make excuses for a series tossing people in the jobber's box when we should know better by now, because the show's been doing it to characters for fucking decades at this point.

All of the VEGETA STRONG shit going on now is specifically because people complained about his treatment in the series, ESPECIALLY in GT

>>142306343
>Trunks with Mai
I don't care what people say! I love Super!

It's already been confirmed it's not Android Saga Trunks. Fucking retards.

>>142310955
Did people really hate slife of life in DBZ or was it just Americans wanting more of their Superman Goku?
People were I live loved SoL and Great Saiyaman

>>142311009
Prove it.

I mean I can just say Mai is actually Future Videl and call everyone morons too.

>>142310954
When did I imply that? All I was saying is that it's been fanfiction tier crap for a LONG time now.

>>142306343
Trunks vs. Goten?

>>142311037
It seems to be split. I see people saying they hate it just as much as I see people say they needed more of it

>>142310922
I like how the Superfriend Defense Force always revolves around saying GT SUCKS, IT SUCKS IT SUCKS!
GT IS BAD, AND SUPER IS GOOD, AND YOU'RE A FAGGOT IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE

For once, I'd like to hear someone say something about what GT does wrong that Super is doing right. GT isn't great, not even good at all. But where as we shit on GT for it's character inconsistencies, and plot happenings to make Goku the most important, we celebrate or craft fan-theories on the spot to whenever Super makes a mistake. Trunks doesn't have blue hair. Did he decide to dye it in his terrible future in his free time?

You're lampooning GT for Super Evil Dragon Balls and an Android 17 fusion when Super introduced Actual Super Dragon Balls that are planet sized, and you're looking at a fucking picture of EVIL GOKU as the next enemy of the series, and shit, he appears to be even wearing fusion earrings!
Among all of the other rehashes in the series.

>>142311159
I never said that you GTfag. My point is it's been shit for a long time, yet people keep going on about it like DB being shit is a new thing.

>>142311159
Planet sized Dragon Balls are nowhere near as fanfiction as evil Dragon Balls. Evil Dragon Balls are on the same level as Evil Goku. Which surprise surprise, was already done before too. It's always been shit. Z was mediocre, GT was shit, Super has been shit. God GTbabbies are the worst.

>>142311242
Really the only good thing in the series is OG DB and even that starts getting worse at the end.

>>142311159
GTfags never cease to amaze me.

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Toriyama was upset that Super removed Trunks x Mai, a pairing he himself wrote into BoG + RoF movies.

So for the next arc, he took a jab at Toei and made it so they HAVE to pair them now.

>>142311301
Based Toriyama.

>>142311284
Pretty much. But no, let's just pretend Super is the worst thing ever and is the beginning of all this fanfiction crap. Frieza's eeevil brother, Legendary super invincible Super Saiyan, Magic pants furry Super Saiyan totally don't count guys, Super is the first fanfic tier piece of media to come from the franchise!

>>142308980
I liked short hair tomboy Videl.

I don't like housewife Videl. The hair change was fine for me but the personality change just made her really fucking boring.

Why can't she be a wife and mother but also keep training and doing martial arts stuff? Why did she have to be made into a generic housewife? Seriously, this is one of the things about Toriyama's work that has really always bugged me. Characters can never seem to be more than one thing at a time, you can either be a fighter OR a scholar (Gohan), you can be a martial artist OR a housewife (Videl).

Rationally there's no reason that both of them can't do both, people tend to have multiple facets to their lives all the time, work and hobbies, etc.

You get my point, the dude's characters tend to lack depth, Toriyama has always had this problem.

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>>142311301

>>142311159
>Shit someone bad mouthed GT!
>They must be defending Super!

GTfags, never change. I think Super is just as bad as GT, it's just not the first time Dragon Ball's been this bad like the GTfags are making it out to be.

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But why are they the SUPER Dragon Balls? Why would they be called SUPER if they are supposed to be THE Dragon Balls? It's not like the Gods looked at Earth's counterfeit balls being created like an eternity later and went "Well ours are better nanananabooboo" and changed the name.

>>142311408
Actually, I'd kinda like to imagine that's exactly what happened. Knowing what the Gods are like in Dragon Ball, it wouldn't surprise me either.

>>142311351
Yep, good post anon. It's especially bad with 18, who went from a cyborg capable of owning super saiyans and strong as fuck by any metric to never being see without Marron, whether she's cradling her or holding her hand. I mean, in RoF they at least explain that their daughter needs 18 more so Krillin will do the fighting, but it's still stupid.

So it's confirned a different trunks right? trunks not have blue hair

god i wish it were gt again

>>142311159
THIS. GT was fucking amazing compared to the shit we're getting in Super. Dragon Ball is fucking dead.

>>142306343
So is this suppose to be taking place at the exact same time as the King of everything's tourney?

>>142311351
>>142311436
The huge hilarity is that GT was willing to throw these characters into the fray when shit hit the fan. But remember it's GT that's bad, and Super that is good, and better than it on all fronts.

Also, Marron shouldn't be a baby at this point anymore, but Super doesn't have to be consistent, it's a gag series, you dumb Toonamifag.

>>142311532

Toriyama's Trunks has blue hair. Same as Bulma.

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>>142311434
Shit, they probably had balls of comparable size to the Namek balls at first, but made them obnoxiously large to really hammer it in that these are better.

Same for their dragon, who is also called fucking SUPER SHENRON by the way.

>>142311532

>So it's confirned a different trunks right?

No you fucking retard.

>>142311595
Well this isnt Toriyama's this is dragon ball super

>>142311301
>>142311326
God bless him and his /ss/ loving self

>>142311641

Shut up baiter.

>>142311408
Their actual name is probably just "Dragonballs" in the language of the gods, just like how the Dragon's name is just "Shenlong" in the language of the gods (It's the name used for the summoning chant, just like with the other dragons). However, for convenience, the other characters call them "Super Dragonballs" and "Super Shenlong".

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>>142306343
HOLY SHIT THAT MAI.
blackarotto wearing potara???
Jesus christ hype as fuck

>>142311573
Spics leave plz

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>>142306343
Black Goku's outfit kinda resembles this. And the U6 Kaioshin have green earrings, so I'm guessing this fused with some evil U6 God

>>142311718
Not a spic but like that other anon said, you can't name ONE thing GT did wrong that Super did better. Because there isn't. GT did things wrong but it was fucking Evangelion tier compared to the shitfest multiverse TFS ripoff Super is.

>>142311709

Not Potara, Demigra's earrings.

>>142309109

You mean Cell killed Trunks after he kill the androids.

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>>142311747
Well U6 Potara earrings are green

>>142311806

Yeah but Black Goku has exactly same earrings as Demigra. Gold and Green.

What if this is Goku from U6?

>>142311690

So, Super Shenlong's real name would be something like "Nron'Eshi"

>>142311874

It's not.

>>142311874
I thought U6 didn't have alternate versions of characters just analogues

like frost = freeza
or cabba = vegeta
or beerus = champa

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>>142311595
Care to repeat that?

Even if that is true, it doesn't make sense. Trunks has had purple hair since he appeared in the series.he's had it the whole time in the anime.
For fuck's sake, current-timeline Trunks has purple hair! The Trunks that appears right now has...purple hair!

This is exactly what I'm talking about. A mistake on DBS? Leap into your bag of excuses and pull something out! Pull out the one that this is Toriyama's true vision, and this is how he really wanted his hair color to be!

GT sucks because it's not consistent though.

>>142311930
>or cabba = vegeta
Nah, Vegeta's analogue is probably the Saiyan King who Cabba compared to Vegeta.

>>142311806
yeah, this.

I also think that this 'Future trunks" is not the one we know from Z given how young Mai is.
It's probably U7 "Super" Trunks who came back to the present to warn everyone about U6 Goku who got revived and will eventually reach U7 Earth.
We went full terminator now!

>>142311242
There isn't anyone saying that GT is good.
Just that Super is just as shit, or maybe even moreso, and the defense is always WELL GTFAG GO SUCK A DICK, GT SUCKS.

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>>142311951

Toriyama usually drew Trunks with purple hair, like the anime. It's his Bulma that was different, with purple hair too.

However, recently he has changed to making both blue. The anime has been ignoring his coloring choices so far though, so it's odd if they suddenly make future Trunks have blue hair. That artwork is anime art though, so, yes, it suggests they'll give him blue hair.

>>142311951

Toriyama drew kid Trunks with blue hair on BoG. He now wants Trunks to have same hair color as Bulma.

No magic involved.

>Toriyama puts Trunks with Mai in the movies
>Toei say that's a big no-no and retcons it in the movies
>Toriyama doesn't give a shit and puts it again with time travel

Fucking based.

Crack theory:
This is time patrol Goku who has gotten possessed by Demigra somehow.

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>>142306343
I wonder where I've seen this villain from before Toriyama and Toyble.

>>142312139
Dude, the whole "It's the main character except evil" thing is an incredibly common trope.

Damn Mais dumb. Shotgun ain't gonna do shit to goku. Same with trunks. Thinking a mere mortal weapon can fuck with him.

>>142312139
Don't forget

>"In Battle of Gods it was red, so I figured for Revival of "F" I should go with blue. That's all. Well actually I was thinking about having it be white, but then it would color-clash with the "next enemy"... so I figured I should save it for another occasion," Toriyama responded.

>>142311242
There isn't anyone saying that GT is good.
I don't care if you think GT is shit. I don't think it's great either outside of the ending, ahd the OP/ED themes.
Just that when I compare it to Super, I feel less bad about GT.
This is a BAD thing, Super should be better than GT by a wide margin. But unlike GT, where no one makes any excuses for it's failures, fans craft theories and WELL TORIYAMA SAID SO, YOU GUYS JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, and if it's not that, then it's WELL GTFAG GO SUCK A DICK, GT SUCKS.

Posts exactly like THESE
>>142311286
>>142311395

Super is fanfiction tier as much as GT is, if not more so, but GT is terrible shit, and it's "fans" need to learn to shut the fuck up because of ....??? and Super is enjoyable because comfy, slice of life!
Every goddamn stumble or failure of Super always results in Superfriends barking about how much GT sucks, even though Super should be the far more superior series. The problem here is that it isn't.

The new arc is revolving around Evil Goku, for fuck's sake. That's the same level of fanfiction of Black Star Dragonballs, if not worse so, because now Evil Goku has the powers of a god as well. Wasn't everyone complaining about Super 17? How is this any better?

>>142312139
wait isn't that the dude from AF who's goku and a supreme kai's son?

>>142312294
How can I know how it's any better if we literally don't know anything about the arc yet?

>>142312119
lol see what i mean retarded superfriends and their theories right away every time...

>>142312294
man i love GT but why do the fans of it get so mad all the time its sad

>>142312346
Yes, and his creator Toyble is helping Toriyama out now with Super. This seems like he's self inserting his OC villain into actual canon material.

There's also this comment Toriyama made about a future enemy. >>142312203

>>142312346
And he was a SSJ5 iirc

>>142312400
>Yes, and his creator Toyble is helping Toriyama out now with Super.

Toyble isn't his creator though. Toyble's Dragonball AF was largerly based on existing rumors and designs for the series, and Xicor was one of those elements that he took from the rumors.

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>>142312188
Yeah, but the problem is that it's been done before.
I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Turles is a good villain, but at the very least he wasn't GOKU from another universe, he's just some asshole that looks like Goku, and the concept of it only shows up once in the character's dialogue, the similarities and differences are for the viewer. It's not a complicated trope.

Yes, the series instead of creating a new concept or character design, has now fallen on making Goku from another universe The Almighty Badguy and Future Trunks, from whatever timeline has been chased out from his universe in order to get help to fight him. Retreading old ground with Trunks as well.

This is a GT-tier plotline. But we'll praise Super for it's ideas because it's not GT, and that's all that matters.

>>142312458
Ah, my mistake. I thought he created Ize too, but that was apparently Jijiji.

>>142312510
>but at the very least he wasn't GOKU from another universe

Ah yes, Dark Goku is Goku from another Universe. Now the mystery has been cleared and we can all go home and stop wondering just who it is now. Where did you get that information, by the way?

>>142312119
Well fuck not like it's stupider than any other theories round here.
Bet the actual explanation is more lazy too.

I for one am looking forward to finding out how this happens, and have all fingers crossed for it to be compelling and not an asspull

>>142312510
Why do you keep bringing up GT every post you make, even when you're replying to posts that have nothing to do with GT? How mad can you get?

>>142306343

Some questions

>How can Goku be alive on F.Trunks timeline?
>Why is he wearing Demigra's earrings?
>Could he be Bardok and not Goku?

>>142312566
We already know how it happens. >>142312510
GTfriend here has some inside information, it's an Alt Universe Goku.

>>142312510
People praise and defend Super because they like it, even if it has problems. The same way people praise and defend Victory Mission even though it has glaring problems, because they like it.

People don't like GT, so it doesn't get a free pass.

Dragon Ball GT

>>142306884
Yfw its literaly decades

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>Super is a 'Goku and Vegeta' show
>now even the villain is Goku
>filler is some purple Vegeta shit too
Why do I even bother watching this fuckery.

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At least GT knew how to properly handle its bad guys... checkmate superfriends

>>142312710
>Why do I even bother watching this fuckery.

That's actually a really good question. Usually, I just don't watch shows that I think are shit instead of watching them to go online and complain about it. Each their own, I guess.

guessing this the future where goku becomes new god of destruction and fucks shit up. I'm just wondering if this is the same Trunks from cell saga. Because chances are it isnt.

>>142312510
I think Turles fails as an evil Goku exactly because he's nothing like Goku though, aside from the design.

An evil Goku could be a very effective character if it throws a dark shade on Goku's love for fighting, rather than just being some generic alien conqueror.

Maybe this Goku will be some God of Destruction Goku that might show the ultimate destiny of someone who attempts to become the strongest and surpass all until he has nothing left?

Of course, it could be just a random Goku possessed by some god too. Either way, his earrings suggest a connection to the gods.

>>142312804
V-Jump literally said it was.

>>142312813
As always Superfriends just dive into their magic bag of excuses.... If this were GT you wouldn't be defending this crap

>>142312817
oh it was? well then this be a fun explination.

>>142312777
Fuck you god.

And we both know I'm watching it because it's Dragonball, but I'm seriously on my limit dealing with this badly animated, unimaginative crap. We had Red Goku, Blue Goku, now it's Black Goku, and there are rumors about White Goku. Save me.

>>142312884
Really? I'm not reading Victory Mission just because it's Dragon Ball. I didn't watch GT all the way through just because it's Dragon Ball. Yet I love Dragon Ball. Weird, huh?

>>142312846
I'm not defending anything, since he hasn't appeared yet. He could be just a generic evil conqueror guy, differently from what I said above. I'm just saying that the idea isn't necessarily a rehash of Turles, since they didn't do much with it back then.

>>142312884
Just don't watch it fampai

>>142306343
What if the girl is actually Pan?

>>142312915
>>142312924
Ok. Bye then.

>>142306343
well if anything this is just a rip off of Injustice, so really you can call this the super friends series. I like it. I always wanted an actual evil goku, not a brother or his dad who was just angry. An actual evil goku, just like an evil superman.

>>142312954
Mai's VA had posted on twitter a few days ago about how she'd get a main role in Super starting with the Trunks arc. Also, she has Mai's star emblem.

>>142312954
she looks too old to be pan comparing to trunks' age. Then again saiyans age slower, but pan should be aging slower as well, pan having a gun when she can already fly as a baby would be far fetched.

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>>142312513
When it comes to DB Super, any dislike of any aspect of the series means you're a GTfaggot whose his butthurt his favorite series isn't liked

My point is that if GT makes a mistake, or inconstancy, it's immediately tossed to the side as "SHIT", and left at that. GT is a SHIT series that makes SHIT mistakes.

Super makes a similar mistake to GT? Instead of calling it SHIT, or at the very least, just realizing they made an mistake, fan-theories are crafted as a defense on the spot! If it's filler, it doesn't count, but the collective head-canon and TORIYAMA SAID SO is and if not that, call anyone who doesn't like it a stupid Toonami kid or a GTfag.
How'd Vegeta get Godly Ki without the ritual? Just because? Doesn't that mean anyone else can get it too if they get the right training?

Other shonen series like Naruto get ripped to shreds for it's errors or misuse of characters, but when it comes to DB Super, it's all or fucking nothing. My only hope for this series was to be better than GT, and I'm not getting that. What's frustrating is that there's no discussing this; Superfriends won't have it or hear it.

Okay, fine. We don't have to agree. Maybe someone will tell me something that will make me enjoy the series more than I am now.
What is Super doing right that GT isn't? They seem to be cut from the same cloth of mistakes

And the answer I get are fan-theories, toriyama said so, you just don't get the series, or STOP BEING A GT FAGGOT.

What a great fanbase.

>>142306447
lel
Goku vs. Black Goku will look weaker than an early DB fight because of shitty animation. Watch it.

>>142312967
See you next week dude.

>>142306620
It's probably the current timeline, in the future. Meaning the Trunks that experienced BoG and the Universal tournament.

>>142312586
GT is the bottom rung of DB, right? The part that's objectively bad? So when I think of BAD-DB writing, I think of GT.

Super has been full of GT-level writing, so I make a comparison to. This isn't a strange concept, people often do it with long running series.

I'm being spiteful because an immediate comparison to GT is enough to rile people it. I wasn't fond of the idea of Black Star Dragonballs, and the series going out of it's way to set up EVIL GOKU as the enemy after already reviving Freeza sounds like even worse than a GT Storyline (remember Super 17?)

But Super is better than GT because....????
Shut up, GTfaggot.
>>142312550
Because that's the information that's been given with this promotion? Is it wrong? If it is, then please let me know.

>>142313310
some one just said it was the same Trunks from the cell saga source being from this week's v jump

>>142306488
Is Trumps a fusion of Trunks and Trump?

>>142313343
>Because that's the information that's been given with this promotion?

Care to point me to that? Because it sounds to me like you're pulling shit out of your ass.

>>142313356
he should be orange then

>>142313343
Becuase people don't like GT. Why can't you just deal with it?

It's like if I went to a Naruto forum and started spewing shit about Naruto, of course people are going to get riled up about it. Go shit on Super somewhere else if you don't like the attitude you get here.

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shota Mai X Trunks when

>>142307098
Omniking probably made him into the God of Destruction or something

>>142310668
You seems to forget that in the first place there is no such thing as "DBZ" and "DB", the manga is Dragon Ball and that's it, they're the same series.

>>142313343
Why would everyone everywhere be speculating who Dark Goku is and where he's from if we knew who he was and where he was from?

Fucking GTfags, I swear.

>>142313525
Yeah, people forget that even the original Dragonball only has two adventure arcs (first one and Red Ribbon) outside of that it's all tournaments and one Z-style battle arc. And even the "adventure" arc had stuff like a tower with one special opponent in each floor.

>>142313577
you are forgetting the Piccolo one and all the tournaments

>>142313627
I mentioned them there?

>outside of that it's all tournaments and one Z-style battle arc

Piccolo is the Z-style battle arc.

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>>142312813
Well, Turles fails because he's not a great character. He shows up, and after he actually goes to meet Gohan, he tries to get Gohan to join him by telling him about all the great things they'll do in space together.
It's weird, and kind of fucking creepy, but that's probably more so because of everyone being more aware of pedophiles now.

But I like the fact that he's not ACTUALLY Goku. He's just some asshole that looks like him. The viewer is supposed to imagine that concept by themselves. The only person that makes that comparison is Gohan, and immediately he says "You're not my dad!" Nobody really cares, they just want to stop him from destroying Earth. The movie is kind of like a summary of the Saiyan Saga, and only at the end of the movie do they announce the idea behind it if you haven't already thought of it. "MAYBE GOKU COULD HAVE BEEN LIKE THAT, IF HE DIDN'T HIT HIS HEAD"'
DBZ Movie 3 is still one of my favorite movies out of the franchise.

After all this series has gone through, making an actual evil Goku is pretty trite, especially considering all of the other character revivals and rehashes. I mean, Jesus, even Sonic the Hedgehog didn't do this. It's not Black Sonic the Hedgehog, it's Shadow the Hedgehog, and say what as you will about his EDGE, he's at least different enough from Sonic to not call him 'Evil Sonic'. For one, he's not as fast as Sonic without his shoes.

I mean, this is it. We're really going with Evil Goku. To me, this is like if YYH revived, and the enemy was a bad version of Yusuke. You really couldn't come up with something else?

I mean, I guess it could be good.
I do actually like the poster.
But I don't have the faith of it actually being so.
But I guess the joke is on me for discussing the nuiances of a children's show.

>>142306343
Goku's voice will sound even weirder for an evil villain.

>>142313703
I mean King Piccolo Daimao
anyway isn't Radish canonically the first arc of Z?

>>142313343
>Because that's the information that's been given with this promotion
No it hasn't

>>142313577
Yeah, but the Red Ribbon arc is half of the goddamn manga, and each tournament actually brought something new to the table, and the stakes were raised immediately after ever tournament.
>>142313532
Because that information was already announced, you pile of vomit >>142312817
Jesus Christ, you fucking superfaggots don't even have the latest information on the series. You think you'd know the name of the guy you're sucking the dick of, but I guess you're not that kind of girl.

>>142313752
Have you not heard Turles or Bardock? Nozawa can do evil voice very well

>>142313752
I actually look forward to the american and spanish dubs.

>>142313820
>Because that information was already announced, you pile of vomit
That post is about the Trunks bit. We have official information confirming that it's the same Future Trunks from before. We have no information about Goku Black aside from his design now.

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Why is Trunks always surviving to the apocalypse?

>>142306343

Mai + Trunks is literally the only good thing Super has done.

Wait, that was BotG too. Fuck, Super is useless. I guess I give it partial credit for Rule 34 Whis and Fat Beerus.

>>142313820
At no point was it indicated that Black Goku comes from another universe yet. The person you are quoting talking about V-Jump is in regards to Trunks being the same Future Trunks we know who destroyed the Androids, not Black Goku

>>142313808
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/05/09/future-trunks-arc-announced-dragon-ball-super/

Oh, my mistake, I should have said another timeline other than another universe.

>>142313760
There's no "Z" in the manga. My point is just that the Piccolo Daimao arc was battle centered, not focused on adventure and going to new locations. You get Goku walking through forests while facing Piccolo's demons and Piccolo himself, and later the final battle in the Capital. Roshi also ends up killed in the same random forest.

The anime adds a weird bit with a labyrinth to get the Sacred Water, but it also added similar stuff in Z, like when Goku and Vegeta had to explore Buu's body getting through the traps in the way.

>>142313926
you mean vados x champa

>>142313945
Wait are we talking about Trunks or Black Goku now? I already know Trunks is the same Trunks

>>142313990
Yes, R34 Whis and Fat Beerus.

But hell, as much as I dislike super and like shitting on it I legitimately love they're bringing Mai back.

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>>142313976
I know there is no Z in the manga but calling the Daimao and young Piccolo Z fights is a little reductive since those a way better than any stuff from the ''Z' part
anyway...

>>142306798
It is. They even had a description the world was supposed to be at peace after defeating the ANDROIDS

>>142313752
Nozawa was great as Turles, even if I don't like the character that much.
https://youtu.be/C-KM1KfQpTo?t=2838

I wonder if she got paid twice for that.
>>142313848
It also helps that she's played evil characters outside of DBZ before

I think this is Cell saga future Trunks, on the OP pic it says " I thought I have won this world's peace- "
So black goku came after Trunks defeated cells.

>>142314062
Not the guy you're talking to and I do love the Piccolo arc, but at least you have to admit the Piccolo Jr. budokai saga was at least on par with "DBZ" stuff.

>>142309774
Also hit design is based on movie picolo

>>142314103
>I think this is Cell saga future Trunks
Yes that was confirmed a while ago

Loser ass GTfags making this thread toxic. Face it GT was the worst and a stain in the franchise.

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>>142314117
In my opinion it was superior, you could feel the tension, no powerlevels, just pure fighting and skills

in a way only the short Radish arc topped that and hell that was great just for the fact that it revealed that Goku is an alien, has a brother who kidnapped his son who happens to have hidden powers, and on top of that Goku has to trust Piccolo, a guy that was considered the evil incarnate

>>142314212
I want to fuck teenage pan though.

>>142314243
>you could feel the tension, no powerlevels, just pure fighting and skills
Lol what

Don't joke around anon, by the Piccolo saga we were well into powerlevel territory.

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>>142306430
Manga Vs anime.

Manga author always draw Trunks with same hair color as his Mother, Bulma

He do same whatever he work in anime and movie character including Dragon Ball Super


Anime artiest then change his color to Purple.

>>142310973
<3

>>142306343
>a gun
What the fuck does that do in the DB World? Saibamen should be able to eat that shit.

I think blue hair fits trunks pretty well, what are you guys so mad about?

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>>142314310
no

>>142314243
>no powerlevels
Yeah, no. When Tenshinhan and the others attempt to face Piccolo when Goku was down he keeps them all away with a single hand and claims that he could have killed them all.

>>142312190
A regular laser rifle almost killed him.

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I'm just so glad my ship isn't dead

>>142314375
Yes.

Especially the radditz arc which literally introduced numerical powerlevels.

>>142314313
Bulma is canonically Purple, and no... They didn't make them Purple in the anime for the same reason the first apparence of Vegeta has all the colours fucked up, Toriyama didn't tell Toei what colour to use... but after 20 episode it was too late

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Based on multiple cases of experience, when people use guns it never works out for them.

Worry for Mai

>>142314313
There are plenty of pictures drawn gy Toriyama where his hair is purple, let's not try that shit again.

Not to mention, Trunks in the goddamn anime RIGHT NOW has purple hair!
So why does his future version, which is said to be the same guy have blue hair now!

Please, why do we take all this time to make excuses for just an error?

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>>142312190
>>142314394

Edits of this with Black Goku / Shotgun Mai when?

Look, Trunks and Bulma have always jumped between blue and purple depending on who draws them or the show, I'm pretty sure they didn't forget Trunks had purple hair considering there is a Trunks with said hair right now so this is either intentional or they want to establish a clear difference

>>142314417
Except that at this point in the series, Piccolo COULD take Raditz out, but it requires using a technique that he has to focus on doing, and something Raditz isn't going to give him the time to do.

If this was POWERLEVEL era like you said, then we wouldn't have to have Goku and Piccolo fight at the same time, let alone Goku having to sacrifice himself to make sure Raditz dies too.

>>142314212
No body is convinced, or convincing themselves that GT is good.

It's Superfriends like yourself who are anal-pained that the series is being compared to DBGT, and rightfully so. They're both garbage pins, you've just chosen one as your joint.