Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1561

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This one came first, so it gets my approval.

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>>142302918
do we really want your kind of approval doe

日本語は悪い、便器要しますの Russian

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おはようおにいちゃん

おそらみて

ことしはじめてのにゅうどうぐもだよ

なつがしずかに熾りはじめたよ

私は最近、アニメを観ることでしか日本語を習えないことに気づいて日本語が跳ね上がり
つまんねー読書に浸って日本語が全然伸びてないお前らも早く気づくといいけどね

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Post lewd words.

私は赤いドアを見れ、と黒を塗れるほしい

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>>142303437
色っぽい
ピンク
艶言

>>142303520
お前を濁った白に染めたい

>>142303437
滅茶苦茶セックス

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>>142303520
えっとねローリングストンズはいいとおもうよ

Once I was able to read Japanese a whole new world of untranslated porn opened to me, and looks like I wasn't at all ready for that.
Now I kinda have a problem, I can't stop masturbating all of my free time.
Even when doing reps I get lewd cards mined from lewd games with lewd lines that remind me of a particularly good scene so I do it right there to the fucking anki card.
How do I suppress my 性欲?

>>142303731
By growing up

>>142303727
賛成ですがほかのいい書き方あるの、遠慮なくを知って下さい

>>142303437
淫ら
I failed this word today.

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>>142303731
who needs comedy chevrons when you get posts like this

>>142303942
I just failed it again, even after just typing it out. I keep thinking it is まだら and instantly flipping the card before I realize I'm wrong.

>>142303437

あたしの脱肛を優しく嘗めて欲しいの

>>142304100
thank god for ctrl-z
helps me rein in my own hubris

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>>142303911
おにいちゃんのにほんごはちょっとわからないよ

>>142304100

Why? The kanji for those two words look nothing alike.

>>142304154
That's cheating.

>>142304171
Because I'm misremembering the reading. I don't even think I know a word read まだら,

>>142304100
Listen to this song to remember it forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvfvI28O-7s

>>142304170
well i dont either
oh well

>>142303437
スケベの言葉

Is anybody interested in working together to make an anki deck for 日本語文法辞典全巻?

I know we have DOJG, but this resource is much better because it has more nuances and happens to be written completely in Japanese.

If a few happens to be interested, I guess we could setup a google spreadsheet and just type out some of the example sentences and the explanation of the grammar used and have somebody compile it once it's finished.

>>142304310
Sorry, I mean 日本語文法辞典, the one that's about 200 mb.

>>142304204
If only there was a song like this for every word. Let's find out if it works. I will report back if I ever fail the word again.

>>142304310
You could just spend that time watching anime and learning grammar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pafyoyqGtgk

>>142304339
It's actually not that good. I uninstalled it because it wasn't really any more helpful than kotobank.

>>142304201

Oh.

Well, there is such a word, 斑ら. Might as well learn it since it's stuck in your brain anyway.

>~2 weeks until current season of anime starts ending
>only ~40 episodes of anime left to watch
Which anime should I watch next? Can't skip my daily listening practice and let 出来ない win

>>142304751
田中くん
はいつも
けだるげ

In the name of all that is good and elaborate in this world,

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>>142305450

>>142302953
Those are some rough looking cats

>>142304751
joshiraku

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>>142305624
rough out here brah

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Why the heck is dollar 「ドル」 and not 「ドラー」?

>>142305790
deflation

>>142302882

へ　へ
の　の
　も
　へ

>>142305779
That top cat got some evil neko empire keikaku going on for sure.

>>142305790
ドルラル

>>142305856
辞書最高ですね

>>142305856
That doesn't even make sense. 「ドラル」 sounds closer to "dollar" than 「ドルラル」. 「ドラー」 sounds closer still and is easier to say than both.

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>>142305836
>Topcat

>>142305987
its actually short for that tho but all they did was look it up and go haha ima copy and paste what i found and not answer the question

>>142306012
but that is the answer to the question

>>142306010
猫の王

How should I respond to はじめまして just by itself. I guess I should just say the same back..

>>142306572
say おめでとう

>>142306572
えっ
初めてじゃないわよ
まさか前にあったことを覚えてない？
そんな酷いよ

>>142306572
元気です貴様こそ？

>>142306572
おっおまえこそ

>>142306353
「ヨアヒムスターラー（Joachimsthaler）」は、略して「タラー（taler）」と呼ばれ、そのオランダ語形「ドルラル（dollar）」が江戸末期に日本に入り、略されて「ドル」となった。

It's because of the Dutch apparently, can't say I've ever heard a dutch person say "dollar" so can't confirm

>>142306629
かわいそう

>>142306572
>>142306607
>>142306629
>>142306644
Yes, we CAN learn japanese. Just not correctly.

>>142306656
how did you manage to translate spaghetti so well

>>142306572
おかえりなさいご主人様

ちんこ見せてほしい

>>142306572
ども、お母さん

>>142306572
おえまして

>>142306572
http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/19335/

>>142306572
fuck you

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そうデアル

is 田中さん the new david davidson

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>>142306572
ひやしちゅうか～？

how "meme" in Japanese?

>>142307132
おれはにｐｐｗｎ

>>142307132
すっっごく面白い冗談

>>142307132
米国

>>142305790

Because it comes from Dutch. Get a proper
dictionary, brah.

>>142306927
Whats the answer?

>>142307661
it's 4 right
4 or I dekinai

芸者をあげる　ちがうネ！
芸者があげる　正しいネ！
さっき　言いまちがえたネ！

Sorry if this is a dumb question. This shopkeeper is speaking to the customer and
I can't really wrap my head around how 芸者をあげる and 芸者があげる properly differ from one another. Could someone please explain this to me?

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Man that line's even more depressing in Japanese

>>142307897
It stinks even more in Japanese

>>142307738
>芸者をあげる
芸者 is あげる'd

>芸者があげる
芸者 does あげる

I don't really get the context so I don't know which nuance of あげる is meant

>>142304310
You're more likely to get anywhere by doing it all yourself like corkun did with the things he did. That is really the only time things ever get done unless it involves money.
I'm looking to add concepts to the dojg deck I'm using after I've been through it all and the cards have matured, but that will be at least another two or three months. I'll help out then but only because it serves myself as well. I'm a selfish prick, not going to make out otherwise.

>>142306572
sup cunt

>>142307132
銘々

>>142307132
女々

>領民になにか不利益があれば、領主の責が問われる。
Does this just mean "if something happened to the villagers the chief's authority would be questioned"?
All the translations for 不利益 seem to imply something like a disadvantage which seems like a strange way to put it in the context (some monsters attacked the village, villagers were rescued)
Is it just the default way of saying it for a commonly used line or something?

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>>142307132
ネットかいわいのふるいいいかただと「まつり」っていわれたりいわれなかったり

>>142308245
>if something happened to the villagers the chief's authority would be questioned
Not sure myself but I would translate it the same as you did

>>142302882
後　

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>>142307693
correct

道をブルブル歩きながら女児を打ち眺める時に
私のヤツは腫れるだけ腫れてしまいました
外をでることがいつもひどい目あったことがあります
毎日です
＿|￣|○

>>142309765
＿ﾄ￣|○

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>>142309873

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I can't wait until I create a super cute ハーフ like this

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>>142310054
I can't wait till faggots like you are culled in government programs as a means to reduce budget allocated spending on welfare programs.

>>142310054
You don't have the genetics, I guarantee you.

Anyone else notice that their retention is higher when studying in the morning than in the afternoon and night?

>>142310226
I was gonna make this same post lol

Yep. But not just retention, I work better in general in the morning. Can read longer, can watch anime without losing focus as often etc

Kind of annoying though because a couple hours after waking up I start to lose focus easily and procrastinate

>>142310226
Yup

I usually do all my reps between 11-12 for that reason, also because it feels good to just get them out of the way

This morning I did them at 8

>>142310054
Please adopt or don't bother, the kid will turn out much better physically and mentally

>>142307934

I think I got it figured out. Took some shopping in-game (and oddly jumping around the real-time calendar) to see what was up with this particular shopkeep.

Thank you for the help though.

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>>142307934

It's me again.

Sorry if I'm spamming questions. I'm trying to make sense of this dude dishing out Blackjack tips in the game.

He starts off by going with the golden rule of not hitting when you're 16 or over, but then he goes into this and I'm not sure what to make of it.

もしも　親の手が　６なら
６　７　８　９　を引いても　ドボンなので
まぁ　静観するのが　懸命だろう
//supposing the dealer has a 6

この時　親が引いて　いいのは
２　３　４　５　の４種類しかない
単純に考えても　これは難しい事だよ

I don't want to ask for a full translation but any little tips on where I'm fucking up with my grammar to point me in the right direction would be very helpful.

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What the fuck is this kanji? I can't find it on radical search or by drawing on Jisho. Please DJT, you're my only hope.

>>142311584
http://jisho.org/search/%E5%91%B5%20%23kanji
Just drawed it in Jisho. Dunno what you did

>>142311632
I mean "drawing on Google". Thanks. Though, I obviously didn't draw the same picture(s) as you so our results will differ.

>>142311419
he's probably going into what risks to take depending on what card the dealer is showing

>>142307897
what does that even mean?

>>142312321
あの日のことも塗り塗り

>>142312321
>あの日の事も塗ーり塗りー

I remember that day and I want it painted black.

>>142307897
oh look its 宮内 れんげどの

>>142312441
Where in that is remember or black?

>>142312970
racist

>>142312970
>being unable to read context out of an image
できない

Do I really have to learn hirana and katana? Can't I just use a script to turn everything into romanji?

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>>142313284
>Do I really have to learn hirana and katana?
of course not

>>142313284
No. Yes. Good luck.

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>>142306665
There once was was a valley owned by a Saint Joachim. The German word for valley is "Tal" (or "thal" in "ye olde German") The coins minted there were known as coins from "Joachami's Tal". Rather than saying "Coin from Joachim's Tal" ever single time they became known as "Joachimsthaller". The coins became popular and spread around Europe. The Dutch, already being proficient Jew'esque traders, decided the "Joachim" part was superfluous. The coin became known as the "thaler", which then became "daler", which then became "daalder" thanks to the local dialects (The Dutch word for valley/Tal is "dal"). The word "daalder" carried over to all currencies used in Holland as name for certain coins, up until they switched to the Euro. The last coin in Holland to carry the name "daalder" was the "Rijksdaalder"("Rijk" as in the German Reich") which was worth 2 1/2 "Gulden"(The currency the Dutch had before Brussels, under pressure of oligarchs, imposed the Euro on everyone).

Now when the clogfags decided trade in Murica was pretty damn good several centuries ago, their coins followed them over there, along with the term "daalder". Of course as we now know Holland sold their Murican property to Anglos and the initial Dutch centric trading became Anglo centric instead.

As is made evident in this thread, Anglos are bad at any language but their own (and even there some struggle). The word "daalder" was made to endure the Anglo tongue, which twisted it into "dollar".
This is where my knowledge ends and my speculation starts.
Presumably the Mooners had been introduced to the Dutch daalder through centuries of trade, long before the Muricans forced their gunboats into the nip harbours introducing widespread trade with "dollars". It is entirely possible that the nips just extended their moonrune for the already relatively well known "daalder" to include the new "dollar".

Nobody is going to read this and I just wasted my time, end me.

>>142311419
>Playing BJ as a game of pure chance
Count cards or enjoy losing money.

>>142313557
>This is where my knowledge ends and my speculation starts.
>Presumably the Mooners had been introduced to the Dutch daalder through centuries of trade, long before the Muricans forced their gunboats into the nip harbours introducing widespread trade with "dollars". It is entirely possible that the nips just extended their moonrune for the already relatively well known "daalder" to include the new "dollar".
>
>Nobody is going to read this and I just wasted my time, end me.
Sounds about right. There are a lot of dutch leanwords in Japanese so it does make sense.
Also the first part sounds right. I didn't much about it either but the parts I know fit with your story so I just assume it's right.

>>142313794
You can't count cards effectively if you don't know how many decks are in the shoe.

>>142312388
Yes, what does that mean?

>>142313163
I think he's interested in actually understanding the expression. Anyone can obviously see the chick is upset while talking about "that day".

I've watched like 10 anime series raw now and I still have no idea what anyone's saying without using jap subtitles

How long does it take before I'll actually be able to listening comprehension

>>142314278
Neck yourself you fucking newfag redditor

>>142314337
http://www.j-cat.org

国際電気通信連合電気通信標準化

彼との忘れがたい思い出を大切にしている。

>I am treating importantly the hard to forget memories of and with him.
What did he mean by this?

>>142314610
I treasure the unfogetable memories with him

>>142314610
Jesus fuck it means you should maybe try not machine translating that to Chinese before English.

>>142314745
>you

>>142314595
international electricity something meeting nope nope something ka wait that repeats 電気通信
cheater, so im gonna use rikai
oh its telecom, havent come across it yet, fresh as morning wood

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>>142314364
Kill yourself you fucking imbecile

Even /v/tards know who "the chick" is

And the fact that you called a elementary school anime girl a "chick" for the sake of looking cool to "the 4chan crowd" just shows that you're underage on top of being a redditor

>>142314761
Are you randomly quoting single words by this point or what?

>>142314799
I remember an anon from another thread who had a thing for long strings of kanji without kana in Japanese so I posted it for him, in spirit.

>>142313284
You need to learn thousands of kanji in order to read any Japanese content so you might as well remember a few dozen kana

So, I need some help. I'm not trying to learn Japanese all that much, but I'm going to teach English there soon and I'd like to learn how to write and pronounce my name in Japanese. Guy's, what's the translation of 沈威？

>>142314278
>You can't count cards effectively if you don't know how many decks are in the shoe.
Why wouldn't you know this? The only real "counter" to card counting is a continuous shuffle.

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>>142314813
would have thought a native 美少女 would have a higher score

>>142314318
This is why JUST using anki is a bad idea.

I used listening learning programs in conjunction with Anki and have no problem understanding anime now. Honestly, listening tools are so good to use.

>>142314813
>256
Kek

>Underage
More like too old to bother keeping up with all the latest memeshit anime

>>142314950
Stop shitposting and go to bed or pester you mum for hotpockets or something you fucking manchild.

>>142315049
I don't just use anki, I read every day as well

Can you recommend me some of these listening programs?

>>142315054
I'm sorry I made you mad. If it makes you feel better, it's only for a year. I just want to know how to pronouce my chink name.

>>142315109
ping pong

t. hirohito

>>142315049
Anki allows multimedia but it's kind of a moot point because no one just uses Anki. That's like telling people drinking more water than coke is a good thing but drinking only water and not eating is bad for you. Like no fucking shit, really.

Why even bother bringing up such a hypothetical? It doesn't make your argument any more valid.

>>142315109
>chink

google translate
get out

>>142314610
This is why Anglos will always struggle with moon, they can't into languages.

I am treating importantly -> I cherish/treasure etc.
the hard to forget memories -> the unforgettable memories
of and with him -> of him

Japanese is a more literal language than English and you Anglos always seem to struggle with that.

>>142315181
No, I just need to know what these characters become (沈威). These chinese characters don't exist in japanese and I'd like my name to be understandable o my students.

>>142315109
Another year before your mum kicks you out?
Here you go: 河童、it's pronouned "デビット/debitto".

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>>142315042
Fuuka is cute.

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おはようおにいちゃん

がんばって

>>142315228
Don't conflate "Anglos" with Americans. Burgers are to Anglosaxons as to what Mexicans are to the Spanish. Retarded cousins.

>>142315229
it becomes a euphemism for the sexual organs of an orangutan

>>142315333
>333
大福

>>142315278
I've been moved out ever since I've gone to uni. Even though I don't read kanji, or even katakana for that matter, I recognize Kappa, and I know debit means debit. Can you just tell me the kanji for my hanzi name?

>>142315093
I used Assimil to great effect as beginner, good way to get used to reading/listening (and pronunciation if you don't mind talking to a wall). Usually it will set you back ~200 dollars, but lets be honest where do we think we are. I would also watch anime episodes, first with subtitles and then raw. Not so much because I enjoyed the anime, but because it is basically the only medium that has translated spoken Japanese that is very widely available. Trying to get your hands on other Japanese spoken dialogue that has been translated into English is pretty hard.

>>142315333
貴様を地獄に送るため全力を尽くします

>>142315345
Kek try not to rip the skin while jerking yourself so hard sandbong

>>142315345
what are australians to brits, do me do me

>>142315174
Because there are people who literally just use Anki. They think if they watch enough anime and combine it with a 20k anki list that they'll be learning efficiently. It isn't even that it doesn't work, eventually you will learn Moon with a 100% deck method as well, it just a horribly inefficient way to do it.

>>142314950
Sunken Menace

>>142315415
Why not just tell your students what you want them to call you? Not like they give a shit if you give a pseudo name.
Or you could ask them what they want to call you. Maybe they want to call you "kappa" or "debitto"

And this is an English class anyway, shouldn't you be using English instead of jap? You'll be teaching in English, just call yourself "Mr Smith" or "Sim".

>>142315229

Fuck you mean they don't exist in Jap? They do. They're pronounced chin'i. Chin'i BTW, is homonymous with 珍異 (rare and strange), so be prepared to get mocked.

>>142315680
I want them to have an easy way to refer to me. I want them to know me as something other than "sensei." Also, I'm pretty sure they'll have trouble saying "Rodriguez." Some dumb shit like Uradurigesu-sensei.

>>142315822
Yes, the hanzi don't exist. I'm pretty sure you can pronounce it, but can you write it without hiragana? Also, why is rare/strange merit to be made fun of?

>>142315561
>Continuing to battle the strawman

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>>142315229
Just introduce yourself as "Mr. Senkaku, Landis"

>>142315991
Calm your tits and stop taking it so personal kid. Nobody gives a shit if you use anki or not at the end of the day.

>>142315964

>>142315822

Are you fucking trolling? 沈 exists in Jap, it's pronounced shizumu and means "to sink". So does 威, pronounced odosu, means "to intimidate".

They both exist in both Chinese and Japanese.

So, I need some help. I'm not trying to learn Japanese all that much, but I'm going to teach English there soon and I'd like to learn how to write and pronounce my name in Japanese. Guy's, what's the translation of 深膣？

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>>142315480
ひどい

>>142316029
Is that supposed to mean something? I'd do it if I understood the joke.

>>142316078
Does it really? When I plug it into translate, I get シェン魏, but also, if I isolate my hanzi, they don't translate. I was also doing research saying I'd have to translate them into either on'yomu or ku'yomu or something.

>>142316133

あなたのお母さん。

>>142316173

Pickled cuntflaps, Batman...

威：　https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%A8%81#.E6.97.A5.E6.9C.AC.E8.AA.9E

沈：　https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%B2%88

Where the hell did you even get those characters? I'm going to go ahead and assume you aren't ethnic Chinese...

Just introduce yourself as Mr. 天安門.

I've been <1min into <10m/1d 90% of my vocab cards including super basic shit like かなり and 多く for the past 10 days.

The ridiculous spacing between 1d and the next time you see them which is like 10d / 2 months isn't helping either. How do people learn this shit again?

>>142316273
What do you mean ethnic Chinese? I mean, I'm half if you really want to know.

>>142316322
you should use a tripcode :3

>>142316322

You say that 沈威 is your name. Where did you get those characters?

>>142316319
Did you mess with your intervals? Normally it's something like 1m/10m/1d/4-5d/10-15d
Assuming you press good.

>>142316173
Senkaku islands are the islands your country and moonland are being extremely butthurt about towards each other.

Alternatively you could name yourself after some super warship of your navy, but you don't have those. The best you have is your "Lianoning" aircraft carrier which is just a fancy decommissioned Soviet boat.

The purchase of that ship is a cool story in and of itself btw, not least of all because cancer turkroaches were being manchildren about their Bosporus rights.

>>142316382

I don't remember even seeing a bunch of these vocab words and for some reason they're 1m/2m intervals. I don't think I've messed with anything.

Should I be pressing "good" if I know what the vocab word means but I don't know how to say it in Japanese? That could be a big reason as to why I'm not learning these words but since every kanji has 3-4 ways of reading it depending on what it's attached to I stopped bothering.

>>142316529
Are you trying to learn vocab or kanji?
Vocab rarely has more than one reading.

>>142316381
My mom?

How do you keep track of false good answer in anki?
For example, according to the SRS algorithm you're supposed to see a word in 5 days, then in 15 days, then in 2 months and so on. Then you can tell if you forgot the word or not.

But what if you meet the word in a sentence that you read in a VN one day before the 2 month rep? Of course it's fresh in your mind, but it's potentially a false good answer since you might have forgotten it if you don't meet the word outside anki. I normally press hard or again at these occasions, but I really have a hard time remembering which words I met outside anki and remember them only because of that.

>>142316663
>Vocab rarely has more than one reading.
lol

>>142316781
I said rarely, not never. But most vocab, especially those that use 2 or more kanji only have one reading.

>>142316768
>I remembered something because I saw it outside of anki so it doesn't count as remembering.
This is the most retarded thing I have read today.

>>142316322

Okay, because I'm bored I will assume that you are not a troll, and just someone of partial Chinese background who knows the characters for his Chinese name but is otherwise illiterate. There is no other explanation for your mistaken belief that those same characters did not exist in Japanese.

Hanzi/kanji can have many, very different pronunciations in Japanese. You can mix and match them pretty much however you want in a name.

沈:
Chinese-derived readings: chin, shin, jin
Japanese-derived readings: shizumu, shizumeru, shizuku, shizumi, shizume
Special name readings: ushi

威:
Chinese-derived readings: i
Japanese-derived readings: odoshi, odosu, osore, odokashi, odokasu
Special name-only readings: takeshi, taka, take, takeru, tsuyo, tsuyoshi, toshi, nari, nori

You can technically choose to pronounce your name with any combination of those. However, if you are Chinese, the Japanese will insist on pronouncing your name as Chin'i, because that is the closest Japanese approximation to the real Chinese readings, which are 沈 (chen and shen), 威 (wei).

>>142316868
But anon, you're essentially cheating the SRS algorithm.

>>142316768
there are enough words in the japanese language for this not to matter at all

like, at all

>>142316834
I wouldn't use the word "rarely" considering I can list over 30 off the top of my head

>>142316923
And I can list 10000 that only has one reading.

>>142316885
>Okay, because I'm bored I will assume that you are not a troll, and just someone of partial Chinese background who knows the characters for his Chinese name but is otherwise illiterate. There is no other explanation for your mistaken belief that those same characters did not exist in Japanese.
Pretty much. Also, I was under the impression that since time has changed the character, so has the pronunciation of the word. Like, the word for woman uses the exact same character in both languages, but is pronounced differently.

>>142316891
If anything the SRS algorithm is holding you back at that point.

If you were to live in Japan and be forced to communicate with your shitty Japanese all day, but because of that remember a ton of words you encounter. Then you go to your daily anki session, and you mark the words in anki as "hard" because you only know them through IRL. You are being a retard at that point allowing anki to become a burden instead of a learning tool. If a word is easy it is easy, get it on the mature pile ASAP, fuck me, do it manually if you have to. Don't force it onto the hard pile because "I didn't learn it through anki". Fucking turbonerd, I swear.

Can someone help me understand a dialogue?

It's from a h-manga here (http://g.e-hentai.org/s/9023f2ea3d/811592-135), specifically this page (http://exhentai.org/s/3d18dd239b/811592-151), if you can't/don't want to click, the context is:
Childhood friend misses last train, stays with a guy, comes into his room with drinks, they have nothing to talk about (they were drinking before), until she asks if he's not going to do something to her.
She says she was worried he didn't see her romantically, and sex.
Lastly, she says:

> 安全日だからまぁ大丈夫ですよ
(got this one)

> 襲われなかったらどうしようって言ったでしょ？
I told you I didn't know what to do if I wasn't assaulted?
(hm, no, she didn't had any lines like this in the story, and what saying about NOT being attacked? This doesn't make sense to me)

> こうなりたくて来たんです
Because I wanted to get like this

Please help me understand what is it about, or correct me if I'm getting something wrong.

>>142316979

Well, those same characters exist in Japanese as well, not even in variant forms. They are identical in appearance, unlike certain other characters.

It is as I wrote above. Technically, you can choose to pronounce your name with any one reading for the first character and any one reading for the second.

If you try pronouncing it to a Japanese as anything other than Chin'i, however, you will get nothing but confusion.

Your Japanized Chinese name is Chin'i. Start learning to love it.

Oh yeah, and don't let the kids start calling you Chin-chin. It means wee-wee.

Why do they say 縁起でもない when they actually mean that it definitely has a lot of 縁起?

>>142317116

That is an expression that means "bad luck", "ill-omened".

>>142317116

For exactly the same reason that saying that a person has "bad luck" and "no luck" mean the same thing.

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>>142317116
験が悪いともいうよ

反対語は、験を担ぐだよ

どうしてそういうのかはどっちもわからないよ

>>142316068
>being this oblivious
Just funny how you continue to argue against a strawman even when that guy already confirmed that he isn't an anki drone. So who were you arguing with at that point? Just talking to no one in particular?

Kill yourself.

>>142317086
it's a reference to this line earlier

>アリカちゃんをそういう目で見ないって言われて私も一緒かと心配しちゃった

I think you can connect the dots, て言ったでしょ doesn't need to be what was said verbatim (neither does the english equivalent for that matter), it just needs to convey the same idea

>making me read 10 pages to find this answer
I'm reminded why I don't read vanilla shit

>>142316979

Oh, and finally, you could just go by the modern Chinese pronunciation of your name too. They would write Shenwei as シェンウェイ without losing any phonetic data, other than the tones, of course.

>>142317635
But, isn't hiragana for children?

>>142317801
Katakana is for foreign words and names.

>>142317889
and dank af sound fx

>>142317801

Nooooo... It is an integral part of the language. Using too much kana, especially when kanji should be used does look childish, however.

Also, that's not Hiragana, it's Katakana which is used for writing foreign names.

If you insist on using the Hanzi for your name, you will be assumed to be called Chin'i. If you want to keep the Chinese-Chinese pronunciation (Shenwei, I assume), just abandon the hanzi entirely and accept シェンウェイ as your name.

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Recommend me some VNs /djt/. I don't really care about difficulty as long as it's not super difficult. The only VN I've played a lot of is 蒼の彼方のフォーリズム but I'm kind of getting bored with the slice of life-ness. The only reason I really keep playing is for the 2 character routes I wanna do to bang the girls.

So basically, what are some good VNs that actually have plots and are more serious-tier?

>>142316663

> Are you trying to learn vocab or kanji?

I'm the original guy you replied to and yes I'm trying to learn both.

I have a different deck for Kanji and 10k core for vocab.

>>142317960
Fate/stay night is good and has a lot of plot

>>142317960
Read the OP.

Also finish VNs before you start new ones cuck.

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>>142317960
If you like scifi at all, can't go wrong with Baldr Sky.

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>>142317889
フリガナ　っていう書類の空欄あったら　カタカナでかくよ

ふりがな　っていう空欄には　ひらがなでかくよ

氏名ってかいてあるところには、漢字でかくよ


>フリガナ　 　 　ｻｸﾗｷﾞ ﾏﾂﾘ
>氏名 　 　 　 　桜木 茉莉

>>142317556
> neither does the english equivalent for that matter
Oh, that sorta makes sense now... whew, I was starting to assume if was something not said in the story.

Thank you very much!

>>142317960
I really enjoyed Chaos;Child

>>142317960
I fucking hate trying to find VNs to read, it always feels like I have no way of telling what they're going to be like

>>142318166
>he doesn't have 200 VNs on his backlog
I love finding new VNs, but the hardest part is finishing them after the excitement of the first few hours is gone.

>>142317086
I am no help to you because my moon isn't good enough, however I still would like to know what it says.

>"It's ok, it's my safe day".
(I am assuming this is talking about ovulation cycles and her saying it is safe sex today because she charted it "properly".)
>"I told you what I would have done if I had not been assaulted"
>"I wanted to become like this"

So is this some turbosloot who wants to be assaulted?
None of that makes sense to me and I am probably getting it all sorts of wrong.

>>142317283
>everything said on this site must be an argument made against another person.
kekno.

>>142318274
How do you determine what you want to read? Just through seeing other people talking about them?

>>142317960
>difficulty
There are difficult VN's? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy VN's, but they aren't exactly 2hu.

>>142318348
Have you played all the kamige yet? If not you obviously do that.

>>142318348
I lurk the untranslated VN thread on /jp/ and write down what looks interesting, I occasionally do searches on vndb for tags I'm interested in, of course I look at toplists, both highest ranked vndb and Japanese ranking sites and so on.

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>>142318427
Yeah, there are some hard ones.
One type of hard VNs is those with hard grammar and long sentences which are actually well written by talented authors, like pic related.

The other type of hard VNs is chuuni games that spam you with Buddhist vocab because it's cool or something, like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztlahl1SkKw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXOfmHDitNo

>>142318434
That's kind of vague

>>142318464
I'll have to check that thread out, I did briefly scan over vndb before but I had the same problem of not being able to tell what the VNs were like, I'll have to give it another look

>4人でプロチームを組もうと言ったのは
Can someone help me with this? I get that it's a professional four-man team, but it kinda makes no sense. What's the 組も doing here?

>>142318591
Oh, difficult as in the language they use, I hadn't even thought of reading it like that.

I was assuming they guy was on about VN's with puzzles or dead end routes or some other shit that would have made it a "difficult game".

>>142318670
>That's kind of vague
It isn't. There's a handful only. Basically the top 20 on EGS.

>>142318283
Now that >>142317556 explained what I was missing, I'd go with:

"It's a safe day so it's fine"
"I told you I was worried that you wouldn't assaulted me didn't I?"
"Because I wanted to get with you like this"

I kinda write in engrish so forgive these, but I think those meaning should fit it...

>>142318682
volitional conjugation.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/desire

>>142318740
Wow, I was less far off than I expected to be.

>>142318682
Someone told the four people to assemble into a pro team?

組む just means "to form a team", 組もう would mean "let's form a team" or something depending on who's saying it, と言った is just "said to do something"

For the longest time I thought they just said 偽 in a weird slurred way when talking about a fake something in anime, then I encountered the word 似非.

>>142304434
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pafyoyqGtgk
>dat baka gaijin
>drinking ponzu and not giving a fuck

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what do these three mean, I know it's something related to continuing at a specific place

>>142310131
Pretty sure there's no welfare program feeding baka gaijin asses in Japan.
This isn't Europe, you either work or get the fuck out.

>>142319159
>読む
>continuing

>>142319159

Right to left

Do not read

Read this scene

Read from the point to which you progressed

>>142318807
hmm, the full sentence is
>4人でプロチームを組もうと言ったのは,このひとです
So it's
>The one who wanted to form the professional four-man team is this person.
That somehow seems weird

>>142319228
thank you

>>142319231
>4人でプロチームを組もう
Let's form a four man team

>と言ったのは
Was said by

>このひとです
This person

Seems fine to me

If you're trying to make sense of it using English logic, it's obviously going to seem weird, you have to make sense of it with Japanese logic

>>142319767
Okay, I guess that's really the only thing that makes any sense here in the first place. Thank you very much for the help.

>>142318728
Not him, do you mean the top 20 by year (which literally has 20 entries per year) or the overall (which seems skewed towards games with few but positive ratings). First time using the site

>>142303437
ヤラナイカ

>>142318591
> actually well written by talented authors, like pic related.

hahhahahahahahahah

>>142320042
Overall. Pretty much anything above 88+ with a decent amount of votes is considered kamige, and several games in that area have thousands of votes even. There should be a way to filter out the low vote stuff I'm sure, can't check right now though

>>142319228
how do you manage to make out kanji like that are you a wizard
really need to do a radical deck dont i

>>142320042
Kamige, not looking at egs:

White Album 2
Yu No
Clannad
Muramasa
Baldr Sky
MLA
Kitto,Sumiwataru asairo yori mo
Cross Channel
Subarashiki Hibi

Other things that are quite popular:
Dies Irae
Himawari
Harumade Kururu
Ikusa Megami Series

Gameplay focus:
Rance
Kamidori
Utawarerumono

And of course anything written by the same authors as above.

>>142320209
You just need to read more.

>>142319767
>>142319231

If you want to break it down completely:

4 / person / pro / team / [を - particle indicating object] / let's form / [と - particle indicating quote] / said / [のは - "particle" indicating the preceding action is to be seen as the subject, so the thing being said is to be seen as the sentence's subject] / this / man / "it is".

Far more literal than English.

>>142318591
>朔屋のぼやきはいささか責任転嫁の。

Why does the sentence end in a の like that? It doesn't make any sense.

>>142320154
I wish pornhub would do this. Filtering by "top rated" is pointless, as all that happens is that you get pages upon pages with 100% rating based on <100 votes. I want it to take the amount of votes into consideration as well.

>>142320511
This is actually kinda helpful, thanks.

>>142320401
Oops, obvious emissions are

Type moon stuff
Oretsuba
Eustia and Sen no Hatou
Steins Gate
Some short hipster games like Sayonara wo Oshiete and Urobuchi shit

That's pretty much it. Everything else is garbage.

>>142320117
Seriously, that just looks like someone wanted to show off by writing as stilted as possible.

>>142320591
>Getting off to generic western porn

>>142320401
>Everything else is garbage
t. guy who has 20 completed VNs

>>142320566
体言止め

>>142320678
>t.
filtered

>>142320209
>radical meme again
kanji recognition is based on silhouettes and context, not radicals

your mind goes
>that looks a lot like 読, which I've seen thousands of times
>it's followed by 読's negative okurigana まない
>in a VN menu
>yeah it's 読

not
>hmm that's the speech radical 訁
>and that's the scholar radical 士
>and that's the crown radical 冖
>and that's the legs radical 儿
>ah ha, it must be 読
>I'm such a kanji master

>>142320791
>not just 言 and 売

>>142320680

> real say stop hiragana me

learning kanji without vocab was a mistake

>>142320680
If that was the case, the sentence would have to end on a noun, not some random Hiragana.

>>142320791

> not (convoluted shit etc etc)

I just attach 言 (say) to 売 (sell) and get 読 (read)　

>>142321095

I know, but I gotta make up somehow while I simply learn that 読 is read at simple glance

I've noticed this is a lot easier with some kanji than others

>>142320209
you don't need one but there's literally no harm in using a sufficiently easy one

>>142320986
の is the nominalization particle so it makes it a noun. The sentence is awkward as fuck since the writer is a hack but it makes sense

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>>142320845
>>142321067
that's not how kanji recognition works at any level beyond beginner

if you can't read these three words, your radical deck did jack shit for you

>>142319159
途中から読む
この場面を読む
読まない
These are fairly recognizable. Though, it's not going to click with you in the first year.

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What is /djt/'s social security number?

>>142321281
薔薇　醤油　憂鬱
That ばら would be unreadable if it wasn't clear you were just going for complicated characters

>>142321281
>>142321366

Fucking jesus

Well that's made me depressed

I recognised 憂 at least

>>142321366
> if it wasn't clear you were just going for complicated characters
yes

this is called using context

>>142321281
薔薇　醤油　憂鬱

>>142321281

> if you can't recognize upscaled pixelated chicken squiggles your deck did shit for you xdxdx

nah get fucked

>>142321271
I still don't get why you would want to use a nominalization particle here especially since (責任)転嫁 is a perfectly fine noun. The writer certainly is a hack.

>>142320965
Substantive stop. It means to end the sentence on a grammatical substantive (i.e. a word inflected as a noun). So in a way, the way you looked at the kanji might make it easy to remember: "real say" = "nouns" + "stop". Since particles follow nouns in moon the "no" ends up being right at the end after the (inflected) noun which ends the sentence.

It's a rhetorical style found in, for instance, tanka and haiku.

>>142320401
Massively overrating Kamidori

>>142321572
i'm sorry

maybe you could've spent that time learning actual kanji

>>142321587
It's because it's 四字熟語. It's awkward but it's still an attempt at sounding literary rather than just arbitrary grammar abuse.

>>142321587
Because it's specializing
朔屋のぼやきは
いささか責任転嫁のぼやきだった

It's not equating her ぼやき with 責任転嫁

>>142321656
It's pretty much the only VN I actually played for the gameplay.

>>142321802
Got it, thanks.

>>142321296
>Though, it's not going to click with you in the first year.
Only if you've suffered some severe brain damage.

>>142321802
Your taste doesn't make it true.

The Ikusa Megami games are objectively better as is Baldr Sky and KR, Rance VI and SR

>>142322032
>Your taste doesn't make it true.
Neither does yours?

Kamidori's gameplay is way better than the Ikusa Megami series. I'm not trying to compare the stories here.

>>142322032
> objectively better
You are objectively stupid.

>>142322297
What about it? 君
That one is pretty clearly readable.

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>>142321595
>>142320511
>>142319767
>>142319228
>>142318740
Helpful people

>>142320791
>>142321713
>>142322010
>>142320791
Condescending pricks

Guess which group is more likely to contain people who actually make use of Japanese outside of anema&mungo.

>>142322511
>make use of Japanese outside of anema&mungo
So in other words, disgusting normalfags?

silly question but are some of you fuckers actually Japanese?

I swear some of the shit said here seems too obscure for your typical weeb that has been studying the language for x amount of time as opposed to your entire lifetime

>>142322610
We learned it from anime :)

>>142320986
Not a noun, a substantive. So words inflected as nouns also "count". Anglo grammar has pretty much gotten rid of the differentiation though, the grammatical "substantive" is pretty much a non-word in English.

>>142322511
>>>/reddit/

>>142322583
>>142322655
Neither of you enjoy anime, manga, or speak/understand Japanese. You just enjoy shitposting.
>>>/trash/

>>142322610
my impression is that there are some people here who've poured a large amount of time into specific things that interest them, like classical japanese or advanced linguistics

that's assuming we're talking about the same "obscure" shit

>>142322720
if you feel that way, maybe you should report me instead of throwing a fit
Are you a woman?

>>142322610
You undoubtedly have people here who have studied it for a long time and are actually "that" proficient.

However I reckon a lot of those posts are just people googling stuff in an attempt to sound clever and exotic e.g.: >>142321281

>>142322720
アニメと漫画は時代錯誤、祖父さん。今時皆はエロゲを読めるために日本語を習う。

>>142322813
>Feel that way.
Your English is atrocious, so your moon skills being non existent is not a "feeling".

>>142322883
And h-mangos, that's the reason I picked up japanese "for real" after dawdling for years.

Still not perfect, but I can read my stuff (still need a lot of help of a OCR and/or dic when OCR fails for kanjis) but one day, one day I'll be able to fap without a dictionary besides me.

>>142322883
>not learning it so you can leave Europe and live in a 98% pure country instead

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>mfw the you'll never learn moonspeak memes were true all along

What about Russian, guys? French maybe?

>>142320154
Overall rating doesn't account for the amount of people that played the game. Last time I checked there was a furry prgmaker game in the top 10 because only 8 people played it and gave in a 100.

>>142323097
>it's the "moon is so hard" meme
If you are anglo maybe, but then every language is hard for the eternal Anglo, English included.

>>142322947
that doesn't even make logical sense

>>142320401
Can confirm that Baldr Sky, Himawari and Harukuru are kamige.
Also you fags need to read Island, it's short and pretty fucking good.

>>142323023

same here brother

it's too bad most of how I read it in my head is wrong, though

also no matter how much I read I will never improve because I don't have the "correct" version to read most of the time and will always stay with the shitty way I read it

>>142323097
>Russian, French
Why?

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>>142323089
>tfw already living in the last 98% white European country

>>142323205
>Also you fags need to read Island

The girls look too loli for me.

>>142322511
このレスの貴様たちは私の癪に障るようなこと以外、何も語らない。

>>142323239
You don't understand how numbers work

>>142323171
Is it still a meme if it's true for my case?
Not even anglo though

>>142323217
Russian because Russia is huge, and French because of French culture

>>142323357
>Russian because Russia is huge
How is that a reason for learning a language?

>>142323293
no, the census is just intentionally deceptive

he's retarded for picking a 2001 census though

>>142323208
It sounds like you don't have your basics well formed then. I rarely stumble on sentences now, and when I do I ask here, the ex forums or reddit for help.

I'd suggest picking a short/compact guide like http://amaterasu.tindabox.net/guide/Intro.php
and complementing by figuring the sentences from anime/comparing to subs.

CruncyRoll/Funi (HorribleSubs) guys are awesome imo, you can hear the sentence, figure the parts and see how it was translated.
Just have to be careful because they localize stuff, so it's not a literal translation.

I found this quite helpful in identifying sentences/expressions, I feel I know stuff that I don't even know how I know when I read them, but because of this my kanji vocab is extremely lacking.

>>142323389
To relocate there

>「ずっと一人でいると、自分が特別なんじゃないかって思っちゃうわよね。一人でいると、確かに、その他大勢には、ならないもの。でも、それはなれないだけ。笑っちゃうわ」

This is a quote from Hitagi in the Bakemonogatari LN. How would you translate it? I'm not sure. My version:
"If you're alone all the time, you think you're somehow special. Sure, when you're alone all the time, you don't become like the others. But that's just because you can't in the first place. It's funny."

大抵の日本の女の子はチョロいからそういうことされるとすぐに落とせるよ(笑)

What did she mean by this?

>>142323283
Only one of the girls is a loli and it's 100% plotge so it doesn't even matter.

>>142323529
Most japanese girls are easy to get so if you do that you'll be able to fuck them in no time.

>>142323521
close enough

>>142323529
which part do you not understand? she's saying they're easy

>>142323097
Russian is harder than Japanese grammar wise, and the required vocab is enormous. Also correct pronunciation could be hard as shit to anglos.
Sure it doesn't have kanji, but I can't say it makes memorizing vocab easier. Also current Russia is creatively bankrupt so there's no fun stuff created currently, only do it if you really like classic literature or soviet cinema.

>>142323504
That's also a really dumb reason to relocate somewhere. China and India are also huge, why not relocate there? At least those 2 are populated all over and don't 80% consist of frozen wasteland.

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>>142323682
>At least those 2 are populated all over

>>142323658
>>142323653
I didn't believe it till now. Thanks brehs.

>>142323097
>learning useless shit languages like russian and french

>>142323840
which languages are not shit?

>>142323894
Nipponese and English.

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>>142323840
>French
>useless

>>142323682
Thank you for the information. What is it with that anglo thing though?

>>142323753
Ok I don't have any real and/or feasible reason for learning a language, and relocating sounds dumb. It's just nice having an illusion of going atleast somewhat forward in life instead of constantly having that feel of stagnation on the back of your head.

>>142324067
How is it not useless?

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>>142323753
紛らわしい宣言をするな。絶景しか言えない、こりゃ。
t. Алтайский край.

>>142324171
>French is the largest count of countries who speak the language.
Try hiding your retardation better.

>>142324171
A shitton of manga is licensed in France and Belgium.

>>142324217
>>French is the largest count of countries who speak the language.
>Try hiding your retardation better.
like poetry

>>142324214
それはどうした。写真を上手く撮れば世界のどこだって綺麗に見せられる

>>142324171
You can't be a professional cum guzzler if you don't speak french

>>142324217
>largest count of countries
Yeah, France, Quebec and a bunch of former nigger colonies. What a truly great language.
>>142324279
How about reading the originals instead?
>>142324342
You need to be gay too.

>>142324398
>Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland
>former nigger colonies

>>142324523
>three insignificant countries that aren't even fully french speaking
Great.

>>142323682
>ignoring the current political/economical circumstances
Russia has been, is and will be playing a huge role on the world theatre. Certain big jobs will greatly benefit from knowing the language. Business, military, intelligence, IT etc.

Of course non of this matters if you are merely flipping burgers to sustain your anime hobby.

>>142324337
絶対ない。これは人が足で踏まないところの美しさだ。俺は我が国を一番よく知っている。

>go to Japanese I class for shits and giggles
>12 weeks in and there are people who STILL can't read hiragana
What's a polite way to tell this middle aged Chinese lady she's too old to learn and third language when she can't even speak and comprehend English that well?

>>142325104
とっとと消え失せろ、このくそばばめ野郎。

>>142310054
>fair eyes
That's not a half. It's at least 3/4 white.

>>142325104
"You can't boil noodles thrice".

>>142323491

the shit I have the most trouble with is particles and negative stuff / verb conjugations

for example I can read 夏子さんどこに行かれるんですか but I have no idea what is being said

I know the first two kanji is a name, where and go and it ends with a question but no clue about the rareru and I've already gone through tae kim and JPW several times but I can't remember

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>>142325291
They might not be real, you know.

>>142325325
Where are you going, Natsuko-san.