Macross Delta (マクロスΔ)

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I love Kaname!

Don't wanna read the previous thread because I'm still waiting for subs.
But please spoil me a bit: did love triangle finally start as expected?

>>142153832

BLUE BOARD

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>>142153894
Roid please

>>142153970
Nah, not really.
More like a complicated potential future couple Talking Messer Kaname here

>>142153970
Kaname's song saved Messer when he got Vared years ago.

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>>142153832
There is anything Makina vaginal bones can't do ?

>>142154082
>>142153832
>>142154082
Only Makina has those.

What's even their purpose? the focus on them is too strong tbqh

I love all the "Milia is old" jokes in 7.

>>142154422
Maybe it's her eyecatch point, like Freyja's rune.

>>142153970
Nope, it doesn't start.
Bridge bunnies view Elysion as their soap opera - shippers and deliusonal as fuck. Kaname's singing in the past saved Messer from Var. He keeps that song in his bracelet and always prays to it before taking off.

>>142153970
It's mostly Freyja->Hayate.

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>>142147715
They're all virgins, right?

>>142154673
Kaname is not.

>>142154673
I'm pretty sure Makina came from a pleasure house and was used as Gravure Idol before Walkure

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Reminder

>>142154931
>inb4 freyjafags edit this

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>>142154633
>doesn't even have cleavage
What?

>not even a Mirage episode
>already blowing Freyja out with minimal screentime

Kek

>>142154772
no, Makina --> machina

>>142154593
>and always prays to it before taking off.
That's kind of cute and hilarious at the same time.

>>142153832
Lucky green

>>142155436
Why is it hilarious? He literally owes everything to Kaname bringing him back to sanity when he was overtaken by the VAR. In a sense she's everything to him, and what keeps him from rebounding

I want a happy ending for Messer and Kaname

>>142155682
As do I, but he keeps piling on death flags

Final episode team between whats left of Delta squadron and the Knights.

Hayate, Mirage, Keith, Bogue, Messer riding the wing of Heinz and Freyjas song against Mikumo

Id like implied sex scene between Messer and Kaname before final battle

>>142155682
I don't know. Messer every episode gets deathflags.

>>142155682
Do you remember how EVOL ended?
>One couple is the main triangle losers paired together for no reason
>One couple turns their girl into a guy
>One couple turns their guy into a frog
>One couple loses their guy and gets platonically paired with a stalker
>One couple is a heroic dick who absorbs the big bad

>>142155879
One of them will die next episode.

>>142155604
Messer is the 2nd tallest guy in Delta.

Ernest Johnson 227 cm

Messer Ihlefeld 191

Roid Brehm 186 cm
Arad Mölders 182 cm

Keith Aero Windermere 179 cm
Bogue Con-Vaart 174 cm
Chuck Mustang 173 cm
Theo Jussila 171 cm
Xao Jussila 171 cm

Hayate Immelmann 169 cm
Kaname Buccaneer 168 cm
Mikumo Guynemer 165 cm
Mirage Farina Jenius 164,5 cm

Makina Nakajima 159 cm
Freyja Wion 154 cm

Reina Prowler 147 cm

>>142155898
This isn't Evol

>>142155898
Sounds a lot like Sidonia.

>>142155973
Freyja is taller than Reina?

2chan is blowing up with Kaname love!

>>142155436
Kaname is literary a LIFE to Messer.

>>142155973
>Reina is 4'10"
Fun sized.

>>142153832
>editon.

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>>142156122
CUTE sized you mean.

>>142156058
I hope this means we get more fanart finally.

Messer officially gets with Kaname which leads to Freyja thinking about possibility of Delta squadron dating Walkure members

>>142153832
This guy's pixiv just made my dick blow up.

>>142155993
The series Kawamori has done since EVOL are AKB0048, which had no pairings or any sensible ending really, and Nobunaga the Fool, which no one watched and had a junk romance
This is the first proper love triangles we've had since EVOL and we have Macross precedent for generally how things go. Kaname is going to sing him the pineapple song and then he'll die.

There are very nice moments with Freyja and Messer - aces and die young, Kaname and Mirage - lots of people are better than them in their profession.

>>142154931
Oldest ever win!

>>142156301
>junk romance
You better be talking about main triangle. Caesar, Mitsu and Nobu's sister was a great.

>>142155682
One of them will die next episode, dont see the flags? even the back song AXIA was one!!!

>>142154931
The only thing I take from this, is that Frontier's character style is ugly as hell. Like Sheryl is supposed to be a looker right? But what the fuck am I looking at?

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>>142153832
>you'll never lick the sweat off Makina's thighs after her big show

Time to kys.

>>142156301
>AKB0048
>no sensible ending really
The story was about Nagisa and Chieri, so them becoming Acchan and the Center Nova respectively is the natural ending for the series. Did they leave some loose ends? Sure, but that doesn't mean it's an open ending.

>>142156482
One of them will die, but not next episode

>>142155973
>Hayate Immelmann 169 cm
When will he learn?

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>>142156449
I actually kind of liked Jeanne/Nobu. Himiko felt really unnecessary though.

>>142156595
I didn't say it was open I said it wasn't sensible. There's no defending it. Hell that last part you mention they didn't even tie in, they just ended the story and then jumped to that.

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CUTE

>>142156821
Is she wearing a bra?

Hayate and Mirage act as Messer's kids.

>>142156301
>This is the first proper love triangles we've had since EVOL
I guess if you were referring to Kagura - Mikono - Amata then it might be proper, but Zessica - Amata - Mikono is how you should never do a love triangle.

>>142156777
They probably shoved in a triangle because Kawamori is known for triangles. Kind of hilarious how hard Himiko was blown out considering she said she would win in the afterlife, but Nobu and Jeanne just go and reincarnate.

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>Ranka beach
>Freyja literally turns into Ranka this episode

>>142156899
>you'll never have a cool dad like Messer

Messer and Kaname die together

>>142154931
>>142156422

But Freyja is already middle-aged.

>>142156934
It's a cursed beach, the spirit of Ranka haunts the place.

>>142156946
This. Mirage is going to fill Kaname's role in Walkure

>>142156992
No, she isn't

>>142157021
no fold receptor, anon

>>142157115

>lives only 30 years
>is 14

Middle-aged you faggot.

>>142157139
Power of love anon.
Power of love.

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Looks like the little anglerfish is gradually becoming a jellyfish.

>>142156821
He doesn't even give a fuck

>>142157277
Mirage is literally perfect

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>>142153832
>Edition

Mirage is still irrelevant!

>>142153832
sauce on the pixiv artist

>>142156916
>They probably shoved in a triangle because Kawamori is known for triangles
Must suck to be known for something you don't even like.

>>142157424
Fuck off. Saucenao you fucking newfag.

>>142157288

He's pretty god damn autistic. imo Basara end is still the favorite.

>>142156821
I like Hayate's blank expression.

>>142156821
>Mirage's ears are red
That is a cute detail.

>>142157288
Hayate isn't easily embarrassed or flustered. The first girl to get a blush out of him will probably win.

So all this shipping trolling is anger that Mirage is still irrelevant?

>>142157666
At least she had some actual dialogue this week.

Messer's and Freyja's philosophical talking:

>By the way, how does it feel knowing you have like 15 years of life left?

>>142157666
I don't care about it. This time she actually had real lines.

>>142156821
These two look so comfy together. Cute couple.

I don't think Mirage will win. This episode focused more on Freyja's realization of her feelings than Mirage. So it was only to make her be self-aware. Seto mentions that what Mirage can be feeling for Hayate isn't love but admiration. This never ends well in Japanese love triangles.

>>142157666
She actually guessed Kaname's and Messer's connection.

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The bizarre shipping is getting out of hand.

>>142157932
>She actually guessed Kaname's and Messer's connection.

Ah, yes Mirage figure it out, because she has noticed AXIA on Kaname's watch.

>>142157902
>Freyjashitter delusions

Freyja teaching Messer how to be a real human bean would be the best thing that could happen in Delta. Fuck off shippers and /m/ fags there are real human problems to solve here.

>>142158058
Not really. Just someone with experience. The girl who looks up and admires someone (confusing her feelings) always lose.

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>>142158017

>>142157902
Freyja is going to give up on Hayate because she's already halfway through her lifespan and won't want him to end up alone and miserable in another 10-15 years.

Or they'll do an asspull with anima spiritia curing the whole shortened lifespan thing.

>>142158179

>Artist and image not even tagged

Does Messer download his music from Youtube?

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>>142158231
Which only gives her the winning flag, you know.

>>142158266
>needing your favorite/only song you listen to tagged

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>>142153832

>>142158231
>>142158169

Yes, Freyja and Messer are facing similar problems. These two needs to talk more about life. Messer would aquire a daughter.

Hayate cannot teach Mirage to git gud, the key is Freyja. Can these shitters do anything without Freyja? It feels like if she's kidnapped by Roid, everybody will be in trouble.

>>142158395
them interacting more would be really interesting and kinda unexpected

>>142158395
Please, make it happen.

>>142158361

Songs are usually tagged already if you buy or download a rip. Unless he went through the trouble of untagging it so no one could find out he's a Kaname fan.

Haha, shipping wars are already going on in Japanese fandom.

>>142158632
FUEL TO THE FIRE

>>142158315
Freyja will win for a number of reasons:
1. It's a feel good triangle to make the viewers "look for" the characters. Nobody is really attached to Mirage.
2. That.
3. Mirage admires Hayate. Feelings of admiration only get you not far in triangles.
4. The draft was about male pilots resonating with their female singer partners. No female pilots. They competed with each other and then team up. It was closer to Plus. So the triangle was probably Hayate prototype/Freyja prototype/some Aerial Knight Prototype (before they created the Aerial Knights concept, whoever is Hayate's rival). The pilot/singer resonance was kind of fundamental.

>>142158704
FUEL TO THE LOVERS

>>142157902
The thing is that Mirage doesn't really have anything outside of her relationship with Hayate while Freyja is setup to have a key role once the Mikumo/Protoculture thing goes full force unless this is going to be EVOL triangle 2.0

>>142158432
Hayate setup some flags for that happening when Mirage was worried about eventually falling to VAR and Hayate responding with Freyja will take care of it. Hayate really is getting too dependent on her song that it will blow up in his face in the future.

>>142157930
Messer-papa and Kaname-mama adopting Freyja when?

>>142158811
>Hayate really is getting too dependent on her song that it will blow up in his face in the future.
This. He tells Mirage in ep 5 to not put pressure on Freyja but he may be doing the same without noticing it.

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MesserxKaname was strong in this episode, so have this fanart.

Too bad Messer is amassing a great amount of death flags, even the name for the next episode so maybe he'll die in that one please kawamori I don't want another MichaelxKlan situation, let both of them live for once

>>142158976
No way Messer is dying with Keith still around. No way.

>Frejafags on suicide watch

Fuck you all, Arad will die.

>>142159045
I really hope so, because yeah, without Messer Keith would be able to take down delta squad or most of it easily.

>>142159045
Not if Keith is captured by the Deltas. They shoot the other down but Keith survives. Also would give Heinz and Roid a reason to stop messing around.

>>142158594
or unless he secretly recorded them practicing/performing or just ripped a copy himself

>>142159211
I can't honestly see what good would come from killing Messer this early.

>>142159211
Bogue is more likely to be captured and have a change of heart He's less skilled so thus easier to defeat and disable. He's voice by KENN so him singing seems likely

The sponsors demand blood sacrifice. Ranka Lee resurgent.

>>142159321
Not all KENN's characters sang.

>>142158632
What seems to be the main shipping wars there?

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>>142157994
Everyone wants a hoina

>>142158713
Hayate and Mirage were the last characters drafted though.

>>142159321
This sounds good. Kaname dies, Bogue replaces her. If Walkure is already popular imagine if we add the KENNfags.

>>142159458
From what I read it is mostly hayamira fans finding hayafure fans annoying because even if you look for hayamira content on twitter they show up. I have seen something similar in 2ch. Also, some Bogue/Freyja shippers have complained from something similar.

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>Arad's very shinpai over Messer, while Kaname is ki ni naru about Messer, and also shinpai whenever he gets hurt protecting her. Now that she has shinjitsu wo shitta, this will probably be even more so. Messer think Kaname is his inochi no onjin and that he's doing kataomoi. He probably doesn't want to kegare her either, so he keeps hanarete iru.

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>>142159497
DELETE THIS

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>>142159606
Have this one.

>>142159604
It's actually the truth.

>>142159321
>He's voice by KENN so him singing seems likely
Why do people keep repeating this. Most of the roles where he sings are in otomeshit and idolshit, most popular VAs have done those. Hayate and Keith's VAs are in the same band in Utapri, does this mean they will sing together? No.

>>142159634
>Bogue in a hawaiian shirt
Make it happen.

>>142159691
Because they get boners thinking of a singing Bogue. Don't be mad

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>>142159606
No.

>>142159822
Non singer characters singing give me boners every time.

Will we see some sort of NTR in this show?

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>>142159869
This one is cuter.

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Can we stop pretending dark red means "he's just tsundere" now?

It means absolute hate

>>142159928
Is this still a meme?

>>142159966
On the day of the rope, bogueposters will hang the highest

>>142160009
But the first one wasn't hate.

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>>142155682
Ganbatte!

>>142159822
Hayate's VA sings very good, I would prefer him singing.

>>142155682
Kaname singing Watashi no kare wa pairotto when?

>>142160110
>sound only
It needs a UI theme that makes that hologram looks like a SEELE monolith.

>>142160047
They are different colours.

Dark red means hate, denial, disgust.
The red runes from ep 5, we don't know what they mean.

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>>142158395
Yeah this is actually a really unique sort of friendship that could spawn. Two people with feet in an "earlier than normally expected" grave

Hayate now knows how to work in teamwork. It looked beautiful. He was nicely cooperating with Mirage and Chuck.

>>142159497
That looks more like father/daughter than anything

>>142160047
If you mean his regular red, it just meant he was feeling strong emotions. Red is his default color like Keith's is light blue or Freyja's is pink. Dark Red means anger

>>142160453
Yellow is his default color, not red.

>>142160207
I only ever heard his nyan nyan, so you'll have to excuse me for being sceptical

>>142160238
Her pilot is on the verge on death like Freyja. I would like to see more Messer and Freyja talking about life. It's a unique relationship.

>>142159513
Wrong. Hayate existed but he was a taciturn guy.

Mirage is literally added as late comer.

Frejya and Hayate VAs sang Ni hao nyan in the radio
https://youtu.be/hyQTxKLiI0I?t=3m26s

>>142160453
I mean the one with Mastah Herman and Freyja's picture.

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>>142160339
Yeah, I want to go back to the people shitting on him in episode 3 thinking he would be a showboater and laugh

>>142158811
>The thing is that Mirage doesn't really have anything outside of her relationship with Hayate

Sounds like Zessica.

>>142158811
>>142158954
>ignoring Delta was originally a show based on singer-pilot resonance

Hayate is doing what Mirage cannot do.

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Kaname has a really nice voice

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>>142159822
Best Girl KENN will make Macross great again with her homo song.

>>142160716
I liked Kaname first

>>142160580
That's hilarious.

>>142160905
I liked her since that thumbs up she and Messer gave each other back in 0.89

>>142160942
O-oh oh yeah!? Well I probably saw 0.89 first, so there!

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I miss Battroid

>>142160517
You can't use that as reference when he was exaggerating. Listen to his Classroom Crisis character song or here, he is the dude in blue.
https://youtu.be/86hha0bdd-8?t=1m10s

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>Kaname is LITERALLY his waifu and calls her his savior and she's the first person he thinks of/can hear her voice to turn off the Var

Oh man this went in an amazing direction

>>142158811
Mirage is a Jenius who has a famous family behind her. She only needs to get over her issues and fly. Her feelings for Hayate are maybe admiration, which all the loser girls in triangles get. Sure, she's boring, but so what? It's not like they try for her to be a face who would sell many merch.

Freyja is alone in the world, orphaned who saw her house burn down in a civil war, considered a traitor by her people, a spy by some, half of lifestime ran out, and she's the main female character with the biggest fanbase and the one literally made to be the heroine since the draft.

In a show where living your life the fullest and make every day precious is one of the main themes. Hayate ending up with Mirage wouldn't make sense. She feels added as filler.

>>142161124
It's too good to be true, too perfect and sweet. She will reject him.

>>142161175
More like he'll die

>>142160009
>dark red means "he's just tsundere"

Pretty much.

>>142161124
Those Messer and Freyja parallels. I hope he doesn't die just to get Freyja and Hayate end up together like Klan and Michel case.

>>142161051
You're not the only one believe me.

So far the Knights have just went into battroid for Roid's message, I mean I love doghfights but I wish they could vary it a bit more and use the other two modes more often.

>>142161233
>Those Messer and Freyja parallels. I hope he doesn't die just to get Freyja and Hayate end up together like Klan and Michel case.
They are really in the same boat. I fear the same that they are going to kill him to push the romance of Mirage or Freyja.

>>142161342
After this episode and the radio episode (plus the interview), I rule out Mirage as anything but a third wheel to make Freyja realize her feelings. They didn't even consider people would care about the Jenius family. That tells you all you need to know.

He might die or get in a critical state to make Freyja realize life is short so she should confess or something. Basically Sheryl and Alto 2.0 because Klan had to tell them to not play around like she and Michel did. I fear that. I hope it's just a close death experience.

>>142161124

Keith can fuck off now I need to see Roid vs Messer in a Kaname otaku battle.

>>142161233
>I hope he doesn't die just to get Freyja and Hayate end up together like Klan and Michel case.
How did Michel die to get Alto with someone? He died to save Klan

>>142161175
>It's too good to be true, too perfect and sweet. She will reject him.
He would never tell her. You know he thinks he is too dangerous to get into that kind of relationship. He thinks of himself as someone who would ruin the life of any girl. On the hand, he obviously gladly would die to protect her.

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>>142161265
I think they're going allout with the dogfighting because there has not been a series that solely focused on the "they are jets" aspect since Plus. When they fought the Vajra in Frontier, they mainly used Battroid. When Basara sang, he was pretty much always in Battroid. He even had to get an episode to learn how to use Gerwalk which meant he wasn't using Gerwalk for like a third of the series

Hell, did Mylene and Ray/Veffidas' VFs even go into Fighter mode once?

>>142161596
You're not thinking in creator terms. Him saving Klan was a mcguffin for him not to die in vain in universe. The real reason he died, was that so Klan could say what she said

>>142161596
Sheryl and Alto were basically dancing around the issue. Klan wanted Sheryl and Alto to stop that before they would regret it, basically not waste precious time, as happened to her and Michel.

They are sending parallels of Messer/Kaname to Freyja/Hayate. Same shit can be said for Roy and Claudia too, Claudia wanted to help Misa because of her love loss. Being a big sister character is suffering.

>>142161469
>He might die or get in a critical state to make Freyja realize life is short so she should confess or something.

I would hate if they did because I'm starting to get tried of Freyja being in the center of everything and Messer doesn't deserve to die for that shit.

>>142161175
>She will reject him.
It would be more like she would confess to him if anything

>>142161741
Alternatively, Freyja will give him emotional support for him to confess when she solves her insecurities. Either way, they are being paralleled hard.

Hilarious how people assume this was going to be a Mirage episode with Messer, but turns out it's Freyja episode with Messer. Mirage gets more lines but she's basically stagnant as ever.

>>142161596
I think he's refering that because of Michael's death Klan decided to tell Alto about Sheryl's disease and that brought them together, but you are right he didn't die for that.

>>142161469

She already knows life is short, it's the driving force behind her actions.

>>142161811
He didn't die for that, but from a meta way, he did die to speed up Sheryl/Alto and drive a wedge between Ranka and Alto (because she sided with the Vajra and fucked off).

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>>142161723
Hopefully this time Kawamori can stop the writer/director from rehashing these plot devices.

>>142161817
She might be insecure to impact or be with someone whose life isn't short, you know. Same problem as Messer, she fears hurting them.

>>142161342
They won't kill Messer off to make Freyja realize her feelings because that sounds like soap opera crap that they stated they want to avoid with this triangle.

>>142161872
Messer has an actual storyline, unlike Michel and Roy, so I'm not worried. He is Freyja's foil now.

>>142161469
Messer doesn't need to die for Freyja to realize something that she already knows. I actually see Freyja influencing Messer to act on his feelings or whatever instead of the other way around.

>>142161928
Her foil?

>Freyja's stupid wristphone thing says hoina and gori gori
How does Kawamori do it

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The fuck these girls doing?

>>142162119
Strike a pose ...

>>142162119
muh poses. Probably just to get into it themselves

>>142162002
they need to sell something cute when mirage's pet looks like shit.

>>142161988
He's contrasting her with his arc. That's why they stumbled upon the beach.

>>142161741
>I'm starting to get tried of Freyja being in the center of everything

Why? They told you this was a coming of age story. She's also the most interesting character with Mikumo and maybe Roid.

dunno how many more episodes we can go before we have a death... the stakes need to be raised. There's 6 aerial knights vs 5 deltas, 4 before hayate joined (7 knights with Bellri, though he literally was only in episode 6)

>>142162157
>>142162175
But those poses are ridiculous. I literally can't look at that Kaname and not burst out laughing.

Apparently Hayate mentioning Freyja when Mirage worries about Var is a "broken flag" for Mirage and Hayate according to our wise nips. Even when they are together, their conversation seem to be about Freyja or involve her.

>>142161638
I want Messer and Kaname to be happy. ;_;

>>142162321
Oh, you're reffering to that they're QUALITY. Well that's true.

Come to think of it, Delta don't have that much QUALITY

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>>142162424
She looks happy.

>>142162290

Either Herman or Qasim will be gone depending on whether the writers want to bully Bogue a lot or Freyja a little.

>>142162262
I don't want Freyja is amazing when I just dealt with Kudelia is amazing last season.

>>142162376
>Apparently Hayate mentioning Freyja when Mirage worries about Var is a "broken flag" for Mirage
It was since he could have earned points by saying almost anything else, but it also showed that Hayate might be expecting too much from Freyja's song.

>>142162666
Arad belongs in a bara manga

>>142162666
The OP doesn't lie, they are the OTP, Messer's feelings are unrequited, Fish chick will win the Messerbowl.

>>142162754
>but it also showed that Hayate might be expecting too much from Freyja's song.
Yeah, this. It sounds like he's doing the same thing he thought Mirage was expecting from Freyja in episode 5.

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>>142162666
DELETE THIS

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What's his routine bros?

>>142162666

That's not real happiness devil trips, that's just workplace formality. Kaname has an inferiority complex about the fact that she can't compare to the true idols of the group, but to Messer she is the only true idol.

>>142156301
>his last three series were utter shit
ok now I am worried

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>>142163036
>tfw you are swole enough your muscles punch trough suit designed to protect you from SPACE.

>>142163036
Listening to Axia all day every day.

>>142161723
But Mirage is the one that Hayate will love, anon.

>>142163157
Yeah but his last three series also weren't Macross™

>>142163193
>Mirage
who?

>>142163311
MEE RAG JOO

>>142162754
>I don't want Freyja is amazing when I just dealt with Kudelia is amazing last season.

Freyja actually does shit. Kudelia didn't do anything.

>>142162754
>>142163022
It shows he trusts Freyja, not Mirage. That's what the Japanese fandom are talking about. That he doesn't trust Mirage's fortitude to fight off Var, but how Freyja resolve might heal her. He's not pressuring Freyja because she's not in the scene and that's what she chose anyway.

So Arad x Messer end confirmed?

>>142162753
Herrman is supposed to reveal something important and he's the really popular among the staff, so maybe Qasim.

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At first when they sang to the ruins it didn't react at all, but when they sang during combat it did react. What made the difference?

>>142163545
Magik

>>142163545
Love

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>>142163464
Real bros

>>142163545
Rune

>>142163545
Birds Humans

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>>142163545
Labu

>>142163545
It's always strong feelings.

>>142163157
>his last three series were utter shit
your taste is shit

>>142163545
Kaname's love for Messer

>>142163545
>What made the difference?
The resonance with the pilot. That was the basis of the series: a pair of female singer+male pilot who can resonate with each other.

Remember that Mylenne 'awoke' some ruins because she was a product of two things mixed together.

>>142163545
Feelings.

>>142163777
What's the point of Mirage? Unless she goes lesbian, she's doomed.

>>142163830
Sponsors wanted a triangle. I really wish Kawamori would just stop with the triangles if he doesn't want them since triangles like this are just pointless and sometimes painful to watch.

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>>142163464

>>142163584

>Arad is literally 5'11

Manlet territory even in Japan

>>142163830
>>142163913
Delta was originally like Plus. So it was probably a male-female-male triangle of two pilots (male) and a female singer. I think Mirage will learn how to dance to Freyja's song now, just to keep with Hayate's beat.

>>142163913
>would just stop with the triangles
>scared Greenshitter

>>142163913
Let's just thank the sponsors he could do it without CGI dancing.

>>142163932
>Touma and Pollon

>>142163913
It's not Kawamori's fault. He might be the creator, but really the sponsors call the shots.

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>>142163975
>male-female-male triangle of two pilots (male) and a female singer
Better than the triangle with Mirage.

>>142163980
Another side effect of the triangle is how shitty it makes these threads, like this.

>>142163913
Seto literally says that Mirage might not want Hayate but she wants to be Hayate. It's going on misunderstanding route.

>>142163975
>So it was probably a male-female-male triangle of two pilots (male) and a female singer
According to the interview, Kawamori didn't want any love triangle in Delta. The sponsors forced it on him.

>>142164084
Oh look, another stupid Boguefag.

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>>142162119

>Freyjafags on suicide watch
>now backpedalling that Kawamori doesn't want romance

It's like I'm back in 2008!

>>142164084
I think everyone would agree. Bogue stands for 'settling down' inside your own culture, Hayate stands for taking risks and branching out.

Mirage feels forced inside the relationships and I like her. She really doesn't impact Hayate. Now the basis of their bond is her admiration to his skills which sucks.

>>142164127
I'm a Freyjafag, nigger.

>>142163830
Mylene, like Mirage, owns the ability to save the plot at any moment. Runs in the family.

>>142164171
these threads are garbage

>>142164121
Isn't that good news for Freyjafags?

>>142164201
The director didn't think anyone would still care about the Jenius family.

>>142164121
Where did he say that?

>>142164325
Headcanon and mental gymnastics

>>142164007
Kawamori seems like he is a big enough name that the sponsors would listen if he put his foot down about it.
I think he really just flipflops about how he feels about triangles since he called the triangle one of the key parts of Macross in a pre-airing interview, but now says it is only there because the sponsors wanted it.

>>142164325
>“While the Saab 35 Draken is a delta shaped craft, the name for Macross Delta came from elsewhere. The name actually originated from the fact I had to include the three main elements from Macross, the battles, songs and a love triangle relationship, as this is something the sponsor were steadfast on having. Each time I plan for a new Macross series, I always think that it could be about time to remove one of the three elements, such as the love triangle relationship, but the sponsor always says no (laughs).”

The Forbes interview.

>>142164171
When you start using interviews to justify things you know you have a problem.

>Please, I'm sick of love triangles. I just want cool fights and cute signing
>NO MAKE TRIANGLE. USE POINTY EAR GIRL. GOOD ENOUGH

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>>142164341
http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/05/28/shoji-kawamori-on-macross-delta-and-his-hopes-for-the-series/#6a2f454d1210

>>142164417
That doesn't mean he didn't want a love triangle in Delta, that means that he always wants to try to remove one part of the triangle, but they they don't let him.

>>142164582
Do you honestly believe that the part that he wanted to remove was the music of the mecha?

>>142164582
now who's doing mental gymnastics? He literally mentions what part he wanted out, and its the part that annoyed him the most with frontier

>>142164520
Ah yeah, well Freyja and Hayate confirmed as couple I guess. He did want to remove it in Frontier. He'll sabotage it further here.

>>142164582
>"In case you are wondering, the idea for the love triangle relationship originates from the first Macross and was intended to help differentiate our series from other mecha anime at the time."
>"“As you’d expect, the series came about based around the three main aspects that define Macross; songs, battles and a love triangle type of relationship. I normally ask the sponsors if I can drop one but they always ask to include all three.”
>"Each time I plan for a new Macross series, I always think that it could be about time to remove one of the three elements, such as the love triangle relationship, but the sponsor always says no (laughs)."
He isn't explicitly saying "I didn't want Delta to have a love triangle," but he doesn't exactly seem fond of it.

>>142164582
Anon, mecha AND music were part of Delta since draft, and the basis of the draft was a pair of male pilot and female singer resonating with each other, pairs competing. There was no fucking triangle, unless it was pilot-singer-pilot. You know who are paired off as pilot and singer? Messer and Kaname, plus Hayate and Freyja. Maybe some more in the future.

Mirage was just shoehorned to make a generic triangle, but the couple is singer/pilot. A pale (fake) triangle when Seto is hinting Mirage confuses admiration with love.

>>142164790
See >>142164806
The draft was based on couples, no triangular. Mirage character didn't exist in any shape either. Hayate character existed but he had a different personality (he was brooding).

Sounds to me Hayate and Mirage were the same character and they split them.

>>142164872
so wait, Mirage x Chuck confirmed?

>>142164872
I know. It's obvious he doesn't want it. What I mean is that he's going out of his way to imply it without explicitly stating it.

So this time instead of "Mirage is irrelevant" it,s "Mirage is a forced character"

>>142164939
Both are true.

>>142164695
>Freyja and Hayate confirmed as couple
Just like Ranka right?

>>142164520
That's why we can't have nice things.

>>142164927
He doesn't need to imply because he mentioned like the love triangle and we fully know Delta had mecha and music since the draft. Not a mention of a triangle.

>>142164939
In your dreams Freyjafag.

>>142164939
There's no end to it. Personally I liked Mirage's role in this episode.

One thing I don't get about discussing what Kawamoroi wanted or didn't want, how does it matter since that's not what we're getting. It's like people bringing up how Misa wasn't supposed to be a main, who cares since in the end she was regardless of why?

>>142164956
Mirage will win just like Ranka actually.

>>142164956
Freyja has virtually nothing in common with Ranka. In fact Mirage seems to have more

>>142164956
No? Frontier was about two Minmay competing for MC and Kawamori made three versions of the first episode so the viewers had a different impression on SHERYL.

While he gives zero fucks about whorage who barely gets screentime. You seem salty about the truth.

>>142165032
The drafts always change, but suddenly since the interview, they're super important.

>>142165044
Last one standing you mean?

>>142165032
Misa was changed on the series advanced.

In this case, they have the episodes already done. Besides, the ending was always going to be Minmay's and Hikaru's separation: Misa was just Hikaru's silver medal and consolation prize.

>>142164998
I wish Kawamori was allowed to drop the fucking triangle so shitty posts like these go away. Love triangles breed cancer.

>>142165032
>It's like people bringing up how Misa wasn't supposed to be a main, who cares since in the end she was regardless of why?
Intent in creation.

>>142165132
Love triangles and shitting on the obvious loser was always part of Macross newfag.

>>142165110
No, Mirage is literally the Zessica/Ranka of Delta.

>>142165126
>silver medal and consolation prize

25 years later and still mad

>>142165192
Wouldn't she need to be in love and following him around like a puppy then?

>>142165028
I don't know why they don't just say I don't like Mirage. It's much easier.

>>142165089
Drafts change, but the core idea usually remains the same. Tomino had a draft for G-Reco years before it was a thing and the show we got ended up almost being the exact same thing except Aida wasn't a Queen.

What time do subs normally drop?

>>142165158
Thank you for proving my point.

>>142165089
>The drafts always change, but suddenly since the interview, they're super important.
They aren't important really. It just helps to illustrate Kawamori's true intention. Would be cool if next time the sponsors actually let him do what he wants for a change.

>>142165303
6 hours to a day later. This time its getting delayed, so day+

>>142165334
At least these are nothing compared to frontiers shitfest. This is probably the worst they've been for Delta so far, but it just isn't a main dish on the menu this time

>>142163830
Resonance doesn't need to be romantic.

>>142154931
>Freyja gets shoved with Hayate every episode and does nothing
>Mirage gets a few minutes of screentime with little to no lines, proceeds to win with what little of everything she has

SAVAGE

>>142165205
Misa is my favorite girl in Macross, but she didn't win because of her merit, rather she won because Hikaru couldn't be with Minmay. This was decided before she was even a love interest. She stepped into that.

>>142165420
Shin and Sara and Sheryl and Alto are two who had perfect resonance in Kawamori works.

>>142165401
>nothing compared
That's because in Frontier the best girl already won before the battle even began.

Today the other side has been given all the preparations and handholding they all want but we all know she's still going to lose while the best girl is just cruising below the radar waiting for the knockout like a clutch pro athlete.

>>142165449
>Minmay gets shoved with Hikaru every episode and does nothing
>Ranka gets shoved with Alto every episode and does nothing
>Mao gets shoved with Shin every episode and does nothing
It's like pottery

>>142165531
Freyja isn't under the radar. The non character is.

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Chuuni.

>>142165561
>Ranka gets shoved with Alto every episode

You mean at midpoint and by that time no one gave two fucks about her and everyone knew she lost

I bet the space AIDS part was a last minute plot device to make Sheryl vulnerable because she was too OP as a love rival

>>142165449
>Freyja gets shoved with Hayate every episode and does nothing
>does nothing
'You aren't even watching the show.

>>142165657
>answering to trolls

>>142165508
Yeah but I was talking about Mirage. She doesn't need to go full dyke for the song to give her a boost. That said I won't mind some /u/.

>>142165625
This post is literally the inverse of those fake interviews. Fact is there's no chance they changed the plot at that point.

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>>142164520
I felt physical pain reading his opinions on Robotech and overall handling of the franchise in west.

>>142165768
The plot wasn't really changed by her having AIDS. It was just a shallow "Oh boohoo, Sheryl is vulnerable too" move when they realized from viewer reaction just how uneven it was

>>142158713
>The draft was about male pilots resonating with their female singer partners.
Where did you got that? Is there any interview mentioning this?

>>142165863
You haven't even seen Frontier have you, it's a key plot point. And what would that even do to make it "even" it would be a pointless change.
Again this thread is as bad as the old Frontier ones about fake interviews, just stop.

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>>142164379
Freyja's phone picking up her vocal quirks is adorable

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Post ep 9 glasses compilation from every Roid scene. Staff is being kind of lazy reusing the winged ones all the time.

>>142166047
Key plot point huh.

>>142165905
Karice translation of the director interview.

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>>142166196
>no Roid's first glasses

Why is Messer so cute!
CUTE!

>>142166047
We have actual interviews translated by reliable sources. It seems Miragefags are just as bad as Rankafags to accept the facts.

MIRAGEFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>142165905
The idea of Delta was about club activities about teams of pilot and utahime. Resonating and competing with other teams. Zero mention of triangle. What Hayate and Freyja re doing is that shit. And we have a hint of Messer and Kaname doing the same this time.

There was no Var or war drama. Honestly I can't believe people expect secondary heroines to win.

>>142166454
>Honestly I can't believe people expect secondary heroines to win.
b-but muh SDF!

>>142166551
That wasn't much of Misa winning and more of Hikaru losing, then ending up with Misa.

>>142166399
Name one. Point to a single interview where it says "oh by the way Ranka was so unpopular we at the last minute added in this entire story for no reason at all because we felt bad."

>mfw these threads would be a thousand times better if Freyja, Bogue, Messer, and Mirage died
>mfw I have no face

>>142166704
The fuck you're talking about. I'm stating the interviews were translated by neutral people and Karice who translated all Frontier reliable interviews.

If you're talking about the shaloom fiasco, it's not the same. Because we have actual Kawamori interview confirming he made episode 1 different versions to get a different impression on SHERYL. Freyja is his focal point this time. Sheryl in frontier.

Doesn't look too hot for Mirage.

Freyja = goddess of love among things
Mirage = illusion, deception

>>142166857
I'm talking about >>142165625
Go ahead and show me which interview that's from.

>>142166976
Not that guy. They are just speculating. I know it's bullshit.

>>142162666
Oh my gosh! Messer has a thing for Kaname and see's her as his savior and holds her song very dear to his heart. Kaname however doesn't know anything about her song saving Messer, and only see's him as a friend who doesn't participate in social events, so she tries to get him to interact more. Kaname has a thing for Arad, but Arad friendzones her because even though he likes Kaname, he knows the truth behind Kaname's songs and how dear it is to Messer. So he selflessly tries and get them together.

Such a tragic and complicated love triangle!

>>142163777
Mylene didn't do that Basara did. Mylene's blood was just the password authentication.

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>>142156020
reposting this everytime someone mentions sidonia

>>142167127
Kaname will die.

But her soul will chose to go back in time, the the time when she was happiest, and she will be at season 1 first episode.

Messer who loves Kaname want to be with her too and want to be in a time when Kaname'd love him, but since she already loves Arad he'll go back in time before Kaname is born, and became her father.

>>142167266
Nihei is moving up the ranks of anime/manga rusemasters.

>>142166917
>Mirage = illusion, deception
Seems that her parents weren't happy with her.

>>142167127
I don't think Arad likes Kaname. He's wingmaning for Messer hard.

>>142167127
>old hag delusions

>>142167495
Literally fanfic tier possibility of this happening unless kawamori decides to follow the path of absolute madman.

>>142167766
Newfag detected

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>>142167766

>>142166196
I think those are the glasses he wear whenever he is in that uniform.

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>>142167266
>girl c gets a sex change and starts railing girl b in the epilogue

None of this is going to impress me unless Kaname turns traitor and Messer is the one that kill her.

>>142168360
Fuck you.

>>142168776
>Freyja tucked into her bed
too comfy

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I want to believe Messer is putting up so many death flags that he won't die