This is your fate tonight

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>>141986684
10/10 would _be_ her.

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I'd like to exchange her for a better Fate.

>>141986684
I accept it.

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>>141986684
Will she Stay the Night?

>>141988077
Masterful.

>>141986684
Rin is cute
Rin is pretty
Rin is smart
Rin is powerful
Rin is beautiful
Rin is clever
Rin is gorgeous
Rin is sexy
Rin is funny
Rin is confident
Rin is loyal
Rin is strong

Rin is best

Rin a shit.

Why is there no fanart of swole Rin? It says in F/HA that not only does she lift, she even takes protein powder and creatine.

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>>141988526

it obviously all goes to that delicious anus

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>>141988526
Thats not all she takes

>>141988526
There is that one picture.
But did it say exactly how much she lifted?
She probably just works out enough to not gain weight from reading all them magic books all day

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>>141988577
Maybe her anus was dirty because she was bulking at the time.

>>141986684
Can I impregnate her and have a cute daughter who I can give headpats to?

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>>141986684
I LOVE TOHSAKA RIN

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Rin is not just my favorite Fate girl, she's my favorite T/M girl. Nobody comes close. Not Aoko, not Shiki, not Saber. Not even my second favorite, Hisui, comes within a mile of the perfection that is Rin Tohsaka. I love her.

>>141988675
Given her personality, I don't think she would half-ass her physical training. The only reason she isn't noticeably muscular is that it would affect sales.

I'd saw off her horn and sell it on black market.

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Rin is cool.

>>141988675
I think when saber was playing around with the equipment she dropped it on accident, due to the weight

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>>141986684
Rin a shit

RIN IS A MIRACLE

>>141989543
LUVIA PAYS YOUNG WOMEN TO PLEASE HER

Rin a shit.

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>>141989619
Is this what /u/ wanted?

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>>141989543
REMOVE LUVIA

REMOVE OHOHO

>>141989723
No, I'm just pointing out that Luvia is a faceless fat old man in an ojou's body.

>>141987702
Who the fuck ties someone up with the chain going up their butt crack? Seriously, that chain's gonna need a wash now. That's just unhygienic, especially since Rin's the kind to struggle so her crack probably smells something awful. Waste of a good chain if you ask me.

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>>141986684
This is my Jannu!

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>>141986684
No

So, uh, why is that her head looks way narrower in the UBW show than in the game? It is sort of odd because everybody else looks just like they did in the VN while she is made to look a bit ayy lmao in the anime.

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>>141989829
Oh

>>141988287
Rin is a:

Beautiful
Irresistible
Talented
Cute
Hottie

>>141989991
I think they may have been trying to preemptively prevent Rhinoface

Of course it didn't work in the epilogue but hey, props for trying?

>>141988287
Rin is perfect

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>>141989820
You can't remove perfection

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>>141990255

>>141989991
All of the characters went through some level of design changes with UBW. Rin might be one of the most obvious because you probably end up looking at her the most (other than Shirou, but the VN's shown from a first person perspective, so whatever).

>>141990701

Now that I look at it, it is not really that hear head is narrow, but something definitely looks off, although other characters like Shirou and Saber look spot on.

Still, I can't really put my finger on what is wrong. Maybe its just that the art style is different

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>>141990895
Her hair is definitely different. The twintails are more toned down. Hair is less shiny, too.

Rin also tends to wear a lot more outfits in the Ufotable show than in the game.

>>141989723
DELETE THIS

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>>141991059
not a direct comparison to the VN, but probably somewhat relevant.

>>141988287
>rin is loyal

kek

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>>141990000
nice desu ne

>>141991297
She is, really. I mean she always has Shirou's back throughout the VN.

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>>141986684
Ditch her and take this cutie on a date.

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>>141991364
Wrong image

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>>141991641
Wrong lady

>>141991842
Medea, please go.

>>141989465
Yeah but that's Saber without Mana

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rin thread

>>141989855
maybe the chain is going in her ass

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>>141991842

Rin already did her.

>>141989723

>Forgetting Rin already slept with both Saber and Rider in different routes.

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>>141988287
Rin pleases...

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>>141995813
old men...

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>>141995869

Please, Luvia is not an old man.

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>>141988526
I NEED /fit/ Rin.

>>141996002

Imagine that threesome.

>>141991297
>only girl to stand by Shirou in all three routes
>saves her almost-rapist from death, just to help Shirou realize his ideals
>looks after Shirou to ensure he doesn't become a Counter Guardian
>Supports Shirou's decision to leave Clocktower, even if it gets in the way of her own progress as a mage

She's loyal as fuck. 10/10

>>141996534
If you like ambitionless bimbos, sure. Some of us like women who stand as equals to the men like Saber and not just glorified babysitters.

>>141996647
Rin and Shirou help each other out.

In the Fate route, most of the time it's Saber saving Shirou's ass.

>>141996757
Or Shirou "Helping" and getting fucking wrekt because he's a human and not even a good magus.

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>>141986684
I'm fat, old and starting to go bald, so it's a perfect fit

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>>141995936
Why are they wrestling?

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>>141996043
Be cause what you wish for

>>141996920

Hatesex.

>>141986684
give me illya

>>141996647
>ambitionless
>teams up with Waver to destroy the Holy Grail for good, ending all Grail Wars forever

She and Waver did more good for the world than any other Fate character.

>>141988577
If I play Realta Nua, I won't actually get to see that, will I?

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>>141996647
>Some of us like women who stand as equals to the men
Come on now

>>141997294
Nope, instead you get bloodsucking.

>>141997539
B-but I can't get the original to work under Wine. ;_;

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This is your bait tonight.

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>>141995936
>scratches
yes

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This is your STRONGEST tonight.

>>141997928
Name five things that could take all of Herc's lives at once that aren't Jackie Chan

>>141998037
1. Asspulls
2. Himself
3. Jackie Chan
4. Uhh FUCK

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I'm fated to turn into Rin?

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>>141998086
Sounds like an alright fate.

>>141996757
How the fuck does Shirou help Rin out? Saber and Shirou help each other out, Rin does everything for Shirou and he takes her for granted.

>>141997268
The Grail isn't really that relevant and she was only following Waver's orders. Maybe she always depended on men.

>>141996757
Is this why Fate route climax is about Saber and Shirou fighting side by side against different opponents (even union-wielding Avalon) while UBW route climax was about Rin getting saved by Archer and doing nothing of note?

>>141998500
What the fuck are you talking about? Shirou saves Rin several times throughout the story, and the same for Rin saving Shirou.

Also you're making up that Rin was following Waver around. We don't know anything about the specifics of the dismantling of the grail.

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>>141998533
Rin saves Shinji and uses her command seals to power Saber destroying the grail. The former is a very important part of the theme of the route.

Saber and Shirou werent' fighting side by side in the Fate climax, either. They were off having their own individual fights.

>>141998542
Shirou helps and saves Saber just as much, idiot. But Shirou never actually helps Rin with her problems. He never saved her. He ignores her when she's opening her heart about Sakura in UBW. He only focuses on himself in UBW. The most masturbatory route of the three.

Waver is officially the one who took down the Grail. Rin was one of the people who helped him.

>>141998588
None of that is a great accomplishment. Shinji didn't deserve to live. Saber destroyed the Grail, all Rin did was to get on the way and nearly get everyone killed if wasn't for Archer's intermission. She did absolutely nothing.

Fate climax is about Shirou and Saber fighting the final bosses, even if the battles were separated, they took place at the same time, and they defeated them in unison. THIS is a real battle couple. One that lives their ambitions and dreams, respecting each other and enduring in their love. Last scene of Fate route is their reunion now, after their journeys are complete. Last scene of UBW route is Shirou walking alone.

>>141998791
>Shinji didn't deserve to live
Kill yourself.

>>141998699
There was no inherent problem to be had with Rin and Sakura in the situation in UBW. For all Rin knew, Sakura was perfectly fine. She had no reason to delve deeper into it when there was no pressing need to, unlike in HF, where the stakes are different.

Shirou does help Rin, though, both in the literal "I saved your butt" sense, and as a character. He helps her see there's more to being a magi than what her father presented to her. At first she sees his actions, the way he acts, as being completely at odds with what it means to be a mage. They're supposed to be cold, and ruthless, and while she tries to act like it, that isn't what she wants. Shirou helps her vindicate that mindset.

>>141998834
No, you kill yourself. Rin jeopardized many lives for that piece of shit. Look, I agree Rin and Shirou started as team, but by the end of UBW, Rin's existence orbits on Shirou, she's not important, only Shirou. She doesn't have dreams, ambitions, or even a family crest in Realta Nua, she is more a yes man and extension of Shirou as a typical Urobutchi woman than her own usual self. She doesn't shine at fucking all in last days, she's reduced to damsel in distress twice in a row.

While Saber and Shirou start with her as his protector and he trying to protect her and failing and evolves as a real battle couple around Herakles battle when their joint effort take down Herakles (meanwhile Shirou and Rin fail to take down Kuzuki and Caster, as contrast to Saber and Shirou team). That's why they have equal shine in the climax, both facing each other's foils and summoning Avalon through their bond and mutual partnership. They stand as equals in the farewell, each with their own journey and a love that would eventually reunite them.

>>141998834
I mean, throwing around the word "deserve" is a bit much, but he was a huge whiny rapist cunt.

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>>141998969
>>141998960

>>141998878
HF sheds light that Rin isn't fine inside. He never bothered to help or understand her issues. Their UBW relationship is shallow as fuck. Saving for Shirou (and as Archer understands it) isn't just "i'll rescue you from a robber" that has absolutely no weight to the impact he wants to make. HF is the route he actually saves Rin, not just Sakura. In UBW, he completely ignores her.

>>141998791
>Shinji didn't deserve to live

Right off the bat you don't understand one of the important messages of UBW.

It's validation for both her and Shirou's character. She wants to save people, so Shinji needs. Rin needs to save Shinji, for the sake of her sister, but also to show that she backs Shirou's philosophy now 100%.

>Fate climax is about Shirou and Saber fighting the final bosses, even if the battles were separated, they took place at the same time, and they defeated them in unison

A complete non-point, since the destruction of the grail and Shirou's fight with Gil happen roughly at the same time as well.

>Last scene of UBW route is Shirou walking alone.

Rin and Shirou are still together. The point though is that Rin understands Shirou's dream, and doesn't want to anchor him down and hinder him, because she now believes what he's doing is a worthy cause.

christ how can you still argue this same tired shit year after year

jut post more rin you queers

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>>141999051
Read, I'm not going to touch this. >>141998960

>Rin and Shirou are still together.
Maybe in your headcanon. What matters is what the author shows. In UBW, added on written epilogue, last image is SHIROU ALONE ON HIS JOURNEY. This is what matters. He could have photoshopped Rin at the other end of the path, but he didn't give a fuck.

Fate's route last image is... Saber and Shirou embracing each other after a long journey for both of them. It's not about Shirou alone. It's about Saber too. Because in UBW, Rin became a nonentity, a cocksleeve for Shirou to powerup and get some kind of reprieve from his harsh path, but she wasn't a character who deserved an ending.

Her ending is actually in HF.

>>141999049
There is literally nothing to fucking save in the context of what happens in UBW. Her issues aren't a pressing matter. Hell, they could have been addressed in the weeks and months after the war. There was no need for them to deep into a tirade about her relationship with her sister when there's a war going on.

It's different when HF comes along, but that's because Sakura is involved.

>Saving for Shirou (and as Archer understands it) isn't just "i'll rescue you from a robber" that has absolutely no weight to the impact he wants to make

No, that's actually a very big part of what Shirou wants. The guy isn't trying to be a psychologist. He wants to help people. Emotionally, sure, if he can, but he also wants to literally save them.

>>141999175
So she doesn't matter as character? I agree, in UBW, she's just a cocksleeve for prana, rather than a character with her own deserving ending. Her relationship with Shirou ruins her character and undermines it.

>No, that's actually a very big part of what Shirou wants.

You didn't get the point of Archer's lecture about what salvation means. You're really fucking stupid, congratulations.

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>>141999174
Yeah, you're not going to touch the fact that you don't understand why Shinji was saved.

Shirou, and by extension, Rin, wouldn't just kill Shinji without attempting to save him. He's a scumbag, but they're not outright murderers who'd take the guy's life in cold blood.

That's the entire realization of the ideals presented in the route. Shirou knows he'll likely have to kill at some point, but he's going to do his best to help no matter what.

You know what isn't doing your best? Killing your kohai's brother cause it's easier for your current situation.

>Maybe in your headcanon. What matters is what the author shows

You mean like how the last spoken scene before the credits literally has Rin talking about how they have a happily ever after?

You know, something Nasu specifically wrote in?

You just gonna ignore that?

UBW just added an extra bit of symbolism at end to hammer in that Shirou surpasses Archer.

>>141999051
>Rin needs to save Shinji, for the sake of her sister,

The only real reason is because it's a one sided thing of concern for Sakura, she would blame herself for indulging Shinji's idiocy for participating in the war, and the fact she feels responsible for the chip on his shoulder.

Ultimately, saving him didn't really do anything beneficial for her situation, he never apologizes, and she is the one having to do the actual work of patching their relationship. He rethinks his life and stops abusing her, which is good, and I always appreciate someone finding a path to redemption, but it's somewhat hollow. It's sort of pathetic that the person who requires the most care and therapy is babysitting and counseling her rapist.

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>>141999100
You mean Luvia

>>141998037
1.Berseker is cute
2.Berseker is my boyfriend
3.Berseker has 12 lifes
4.Berseker!

>>141999238
No, Rin's character does matter, but her character doesn't wholly revolve around her sister, which you seem to think it does. There are other facets of her looked into that I previously just spoke about.

In regards to Archer, you know a good chunk of what he lectures on is bullshit, right? He goes on to agree with Shirou.

Shirou wanting to save people doesn't inherently come down to fixing their social problems.

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>>141986684
I guess it is my FATE to STAY the NIGHT with her.

>>141999396
even better, Im low on Luvias

>>141999465
Ey b0ss fuck you

>>141999368
>rapist
Found the secondary.

>>141999396
I will be fine with either. Or both. Preferably both

>>141999498
It was rape you nerd

>>141999321
I don't give a fuck why Shinji was saved, I'm saying that Rin was so fucking useless she needed Archer to save her sorry ass in her 'arduous' task to save her little sister's rapist.

>You mean like how the last spoken scene before the credits literally has Rin talking about how they have a happily ever after?

It has no weight when the LAST scene is Shirou alone. You still don't get it. Rin is a great hollow waifu who does everything for her man. That scene only cements her role: it's never about her, it's all about Shirou. That's why she's not a real character, she's emptied of her own characterization, ambition, problems, her journey. She exists as a hole for Shirou to stick it in. But the end of his journey, the meat that matters, is displayed on him alone. It's his journey. Not hers. She's irrelevant and exists only for comfort. That's her relationship with Shirou about. It's the opposite of 'mutuality', it's all about Shirou. If you like that, you like that but don't go and pass it around as 'mutual shit' because there's absolutely nothing about what Rin wants to do, she doesn't even feature there reckting ISIS.

The contrast is that Saber had her own ambition, own journey, own ideals, and duty to fulfill. Most idiots were upset 'she left' but that's what makes her a great character even as a love interest, she's not reduced to orbit around Shirou. Shirou, unlike UBW Shirou, actually considers her as important or more important than his ideals. They both complete their missions and reunite. The scene in the end is both of their journeys. It's not just about Shirou, it's about Saber too. The ending is both of them finally together, and it's their embrace the farewell note.

Rin is a great character, but she is a terrible love interest. Being a love interest reduces her from being one of the most interesting characters (in HF) into an empty fuckdoll and hug pillow who moves.

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>>141999465
YAES

>>141999548
He never raped her you nigger.

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>>141999482
>>141999499
Unfortunately I'm now empty on Luvias. Posted most of them earlier

>>141999549
>I don't give a fuck why Shinji was saved

Thank you for displaying your ignorance at being able to not understand one of the core messages of the story here. That's real nice.

I also don't see the problem with Archer helping out Rin. It's important as a way of trying to make up for the fact that he'd been a complete asshole to her over the course of a large chunk of the narrative.

Shirou does something, Gil does something, Rin does something, Saber does something, and Archer does something.

The ending to UBW well utilizes its ensemble cast, which I don't see as a problem.

Your harping on about the last scene and ignoring the context of everything before it though just shows your ignorance. I mean especially when you throw in contradictory statements like this.

>Most idiots were upset 'she left' but that's what makes her a great character even as a love interest, she's not reduced to orbit around Shirou

Rin says she'll follow Shirou around for a while, but she's not going to tied at the hip. She'll probably go on to be involved with the Clocktower, but she fully supports what Shirou is doing.

So which is it, is orbiting around Shirou needed or not needed?

Regardless, no, UBW is not wholly Rin's story. it focuses more on Shirou, even the romance has her dating him. You can almost kind of see it as an otome in some ways, but none of these are bad things. Developing the core protagonist is good, and it's not like Rin is left out.

Rin, as a whole, is the most prominent character in the VN. You make the story anymore about her, and you need plaster her in front of Saber on the because, because she'd completely overshadow the story.

But Rin does have a story in UBW, as well as in Fate, as well as in HF. She's well rounded through the entire game.

>>141998878
>For all Rin knew, Sakura was perfectly fine.

Not entirely. She blatantly lied to Shirou about what she knew about the Matous for a reason, in both Fate and UBW.

She knows she gets regularly bullied by Shinji, despite being the supposed blessed scion of their house, and until her wake up call in HF, thought that being the heir to that household was like any other household. From her perspective, Shinji should be almost at her beck and call.

We know from the many scenes in HF that Rin avoids a lot of things concerning Sakura until absolutely forced to, as evidenced for why she stood outside the Matou residence looking up all forlorn in UBW, asking Shirou if someone who was adopted was happy. And what the hell Shirou, you never questioned her why when she was doing something that suspicious?

I just wanna know of Rin and Shirou's kid would be a weak shit magus like Shirou, or an amazing top tier like Rin

>>141999890
Because these are questions, while probably quite important, didn't need to be directly covered at that time, considering there was a grail war going on, and there was no pressing reason to delve deeper into Rin's familial issues.

Again, different in HF, when Sakura is directly involved, but you can put that on the back burner in the other routes.

>>141999989
If he inherits Rin's crest, they should be fine. Probably not a huge power boost to the Tohsaka family, but I don't think they'd be any weaker.

>>141999989

Shirou is technically only so terrible as a magus because his magic circuits were never used until he was already 17. They rusted over and decayed because Kerry taught him incorrectly, as a joke. Also because where he would normally have an elemental affinity, he instead has the affinity of Sword, due to his body being altered by Avalon.

>>141999863
plaster her in front of Saber on the box*

>>141999549
holy shit, you seem to dont understand what she gains in UBW by staying with Shirou,she fucking finally find a new 'main' objective and this one is being with Shirou AND SAVING people with him.She find a more reasonable way to continu her path in accordance with what she truely desire and that's all because of Shirou.

she actualy evolve at the end of UBW but that doesn't mean she drop out all her dream and what she want at the begining.

>>142000011

The problem with that train of thought is that she is keeping vital information from her allied members about a rival family. Lying that there is no person currently among the Matou that practices magic and dodges the issue. She skates by a tad, by saying their bloodline had dried up, which is true, with a caveat to that.

Hell, Nasu even said in the UBW anime interview that had Sakura learned about the Bloodfort, she would make Shinji into "even more of a wakame" and stop it. So that solves one issue. Although that could open up Pandora's Box as well, so there you go.

>>141986684
would stay/10

>>142000109
>Abandons hot wife and qt daughter
>Lets Mud Spill out
>Doesn't kill Kotomine which kills best red head
>Fucks up Shirou's circuits
>Dies
Kerry is a fuck up

>>142000413
Name 1 (one) thing Kerry did right.

>>142000443
Created Iilya

>>142000413
>give his seigi no mikata curse to Shirou

>>142000324
Well characters not being upfront about everything happens a lot in the story. Saber keeps Shirou in the dark for a long time that Kerry was her master in the 4th War. In UBW, Rin has to learn second-hand from Caster that Shirou was one of the only survivors of the Fuyuki fire.

Ilya has like, a laundry list of secrets she could have explained to people that would have made various situations easier.

A lot of these characters do dumb shit sometimes.

>>142000413

You forgot that he neglected to tell anyone he set bombs to seal the greater grail under Mount Enzo forever.

And that the grail is tainted and shouldn't be used.

Those two things being mentioned to more noble parties would have fucked over Zouken and Kotomine, but nope, he died with that information and dormant explosives that will go off in fifty years. Too bad for the monks.

Good think Sakura seals the leyline forever and cleans things up post HF. At least his soon to be daughter in law ( and his real daughter ;_;7 ) finished the job.

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This is your Grail tonight.

>>141999051
>Rin needs to save Shinji, for the sake of her sister, but also to show that she backs Shirou's philosophy now 100%.
That doesn't really invalidate the point that Shinji didn't deserve to live. That just means that Shirou and Rin are making bad decisions.

>>142001443
Shinji should die in cold blood because he's an asshole?

By all means, judge him afterward, but using Saber to destroy the grail with him in it would just be outright murder, when it could be avoided.

>>142001443
Things Shinji did wrong:
>rape
>more rape
>attempted rape
>physical assault
>attempted murder

He's a terrible person, definitely, but he doesn't deserve to die. Just hand him over to the Mage's Association, explain that he did stuff to expose magic (Rider's bounded field), and the Mage's Association will get their panties in a twist and prosecute him.

>>142001443
Shinji was a good friend of Shirou that was just overly arrogant and annoying like Tohsaka. Then he went batshit insane when the HGW happenned.

>>142001541
He isn't just an "asshole". He put countless uninvolved people in severe risk of their lives and planned to kill the entire school for feeding Rider.
>>142001707
>when the HGW happenned
It was pretty obvious that he had it in him, though, with his blatant disrespect for other people and capability to exploit them in any way whatsoever that fit his completely selfish purposes.

>>142001707
>Shinji was a good friend of Shirou
I never really understood why Shirou is so very forgiving of Shinji. If other people did the stuff he did, Shirou's fist wouldn't be many seconds away, but as soon as it's about Shinji, Shirou goes all "ah, that's just the way he is".

>>142002634
Yes, Shinji did bad things, but that doesn't mean Shirou and Rin had the right to play judge and jury when he was currently not causing people harm.

Judge him afterward yes, give him off to the association, but killing him would be killing a defenseless person for no reason other than revenge.

>>142002790
>but killing him would be killing a defenseless person for no reason other than revenge
There would be the slight circumstance that he was the core of the holy grail that they had to destroy for quite important reasons. Choosing not to save him (quite an arduous task) is not the same thing as judging him or killing him in cold blood.

>>142002873
And you might have a fairly reasonable point, if the story didn't spend 200k words hammering in that Shirou's whole ideology, is about want to save others, even if the circumstances at hand are ridiculous or impossible.

In the end, Gil was stopped, Shinji was saved, the city was saved, and the various concepts presented throughout the story are wrapped up in a bow.

>>141997928
>strongest
>lolgateofbabylon

>>142003028
>And you might have a fairly reasonable point, if the story didn't spend 200k words hammering in that Shirou's whole ideology, is about want to save others, even if the circumstances at hand are ridiculous or impossible.
Again, though, that just means Shirou is wrong, not that Shinji deserved to be saved.

>>141986684
WAH MY VERY OWN TOESAKA?

>>141986684
>>141988077
Very nice.

>>142003167
Shirou isn't really presented as wrong, though.

And I don't see how he's wrong in this situation either. Would it have been more utilitarian for him and Rin to just destroy the grail? Yeah, but there are a multitude of factors to consider.

1.He's Sakura's sister
2. He's Shirou's former friend
3. Him dying would mean his blood would be on their hands
4. It wasn't exactly impossible to save him

>>142001578
Shinji never raped anyone. He only came close to hurting Rin. Rin on the other hand raped Saber in Fate and Shirou raped Rin in HA.

>>142002701
Read the VNs.

>>142003302
>Shirou isn't really presented as wrong, though.
Whether the game presents him as right or wrong has no real bearing in whether he actually is right or wrong.

>Would it have been more utilitarian for him and Rin to just destroy the grail?
>implying utilitarianism is objective morals, but anyway...
Quite arguably, it would be. Saving Shinji was very far from a safe undertaking, and severely risked Rin being killed in the process, which might more than well have prevented the destruction of the grail, which would certainly, under any moral code, have been a greater evil than Scumbag Shinji dying.

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>>142003385
Rin raped Shirou, too.

>>142003445
This. Rin doesn't deserve to live.

>>142003429
Rin made orders for Saber to destroy the grail even if something were to happen to her. To te point of her using her command seals while she was still trapped in there.

There really was no point in not at least trying to save him, barring personal feelings of malice towards him.

>>142003572
When they started saving Shinji, Saber was still battling Assassin.

>>142003445
I never noticed how clean the floor is.

>>142003667
Wasn't that an unplanned concern? They didn't think Assassin was still alive.

Even still, that would have resulted in Rin just waiting for Saber to finish up with the fight. That gives even more reason for her to at least try to help the guy.

>>142003385

Saber didn't seem to mind Rin using her as her first lesbain experience though.

>>142003895
>it's okay when Rin does it

>>142003741
Nevertheless, they couldn't know that Saber would be available to save the day if Rin couldn't successfully save Shinji.

Am I the only girl around here who enjoys the Fate series?

>>142003920
Well if Saber was unsuccessful with Assassin, they would be unsuccessful with their plan as a whole.

They needed her to use her noble phantasm to wipe out the grail.

>>142003952
We're all little girls here, anon.

>>142003971
If Rin had died saving Shinji, she would be unable to feed Shirou with further mana, which meant he would have lost against Gilgamesh, leaving Saber to deal with both Assassin, Gilgamesh and the grail, all without getting any mana from Rin.

>>142004055
Well, like she planned (and even did), she'd use her command seals to force Saber to destroy the grail if worse came to worse.

I mean when it came down to it, it would have been her just standing around, waiting so she could kill this guy, rather than even just attempting to help him out.

>>141986684

TOHSAKAR RIN PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY

>>142004152
>Well, like she planned (and even did), she'd use her command seals to force Saber to destroy the grail if worse came to worse.
And that's another thing she would have been unable to do if she had died before Saber could arrive.

>>142004191
"Use your noble phantasm to destroy the grail"

Probably would have teleported her over to where the grail was, and destroy it.

>>142004243
At that point, she wouldn't even know that Saber would survive the battle with Assassin. Sure, it may be somewhat likely, but is it a risk worth taking for Scumbag Shinji?

>>142004298
Rin's not a terrible person like you, so yes.

>>142004298
He was her brother's sister, yeah.

There was certainly a little risk involved with saving Shinji, but she's not Kerry. She wanted to not kill the guy.

And that's established with her character. She doesn't like hurting people.

>>142004327
If there's anyone who is a terribly person, it would be Shinji.

>>142004458
Why?

>>142004372
>He was her brother's sister, yeah.

wait

the other way

>>142004489
Is there literally any one action that Shinji performs which is not terrible?

>>142003445
wow what a fag

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>>142004523
He makes me laugh

>>142004523
He gives Sakura his semen so she's not forced to get fucked by old, faceless magi.

>>142004571
>implying that wouldn't be preferable

>>142004649
Nice shitpost. Why do you have Shinji so much?

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>>142004682
Because he's a horrible person. He's literally the kind of guy who'd rape or torture someone just to prove he's superior, even if it's not by his own power.

>>142004774
But he never did any of that.

Does Rin like giving buttjobs?

>>142004818
He chased Shirou out of the archery club and bullied the newcomers just so he could be the only one to hit on the girls there.
He went immediately to rape Rin when she was tied up by Archer just so that he could "own" her.
He doesn't waste one opportunity to talk down Shirou just because he knows Shirou is better than himself.
He probably hits Sakura, just for the same reason.
He doesn't realize what cheap a person he is and instead begrudges Rin for not unconditionally wanting him.
Need I even go on?

>>142004979
>He chased Shirou out of the archery club and bullied the newcomers just so he could be the only one to hit on the girls there.
We don't know what happened between him and Shirou, it could just as much have been Shirou's fault as it was Shinji's. And weeding out the unmotivated from a group of new comers isn't anything bad and quite normal.
>He went immediately to rape Rin when she was tied up by Archer just so that he could "own" her.
No, he teased her and then tried to kill her.
>He doesn't waste one opportunity to talk down Shirou just because he knows Shirou is better than himself.
Read HA. He abuses Shirou because he wants Shirou to snap and say "no", as in to stop being a pushover.
>He probably hits Sakura, just for the same reason.
There is nothing wrong with disciplining someone who you are responsible for when they deserve it.
>He doesn't realize what cheap a person he is and instead begrudges Rin for not unconditionally wanting him.
Rin is incredibly rude to him and is canon bitch confirmed by Nasu in Extra.
>Need I even go on?
Please do.

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>>142004818
He forced Rider to sleep with him, while also forever denying me that right. That is crime enough.

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>>142005217
He raped Sakura. Like, a lot. See the "THIS BODY IS SENPAIS NOW" scene from HF

>>142005270
>He raped Sakura. Like, a lot. See the "THIS BODY IS SENPAIS NOW" scene from HF
It was always consensual. Only that last time was an attempted rape because Sakura was being a bitch letting her brother's best friend NTR her away from him.

>>142001443
>Shinji didn't deserve to live
Attempted rape is not punishable by death, faggot. Shinji deserves more to live than his serial killer sister.

>>142005270
I love your pic.

>>142005423
Newfag.

>>142005333
Shinji, you can stop posting at any time. Don't you have some underclassmen to try sleep with using what little prestige your family has because of its wealth. Honetly bro, just go to a red light distract or a soapland or something.

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>>142005217
>There is nothing wrong with hitting someone who you are responsible for when they deserve it.
>Rin is incredibly rude to him and is canon bitch confirmed by Nasu in Extra.
Not the guy you're arguing with, but did you really need so many walls of text to hide this shit-tier bait?
What a fucking loser.

>>142005578
>>There is nothing wrong with hitting someone who you are responsible for when they deserve it.
Why do you think this is bait? Are you an American? Also, read Extra.

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>>142005639

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>>142005691
Is this the part where you don't have any point to make so you spam bait images?

>>142005217
Did I mention how he is completely incompetent to do anything on his own? Yet, as soon as he has some borrowed power (Gilgamesh, Rin being tied up by someone else) the first thing he does is to use it to whatever selfish ends he currently has in mind.

He may very well be the one single worst character in all of animedom. Even most of the child molesters at least take what they want by their own power.

>>142005751
He's a shit character for not being powerful? Do you even read what you type?

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I want Rin to put her jewels on my face as I revel in her feminine musk

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>>142005727
Yes, I'm merely using you as an excuse to dump my bait folder.
Doing that guy a favor and cutting your reply chain is just a bonus.

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>>142005639
There is such a thing as proportionality.

>>142005639
Extra Rin is a different person from SN Rin, in fact, she's SN Rin's niece. That's what you get from reading Extra's summary on the wiki instead of playing the game.
You don't even need a PSP to play it, you can emulate it, so what's your excuse?

>>142005787
He's a bad person for using powers that are not his to do things he could never bring about in a thousand years on his own. Doubly so when the things he does are completely and utterly selfish. Incompetent people should at least realize their lot in life.

>>142005952
>He's a bad person for using powers that are not his to do things he could never bring about in a thousand years on his own.
And? Shirou never won a fight without help either. And how is he anymore shelfish than the others who willingly entered the war? Hell, Shirou's selfishness caused thousands on innocents to die in HF.

>>142005941
They are the same personality wise.

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>>141986684
Literally perfection would jackhammer her hard.

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>>141986684
But that's forbidden love

>>142006057
They are not, you would know that if you read Extra.

>>142006126
They are.

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>>142006030

>>142006195
>Shirou's selfishness did not cause thousands to die
This is you right now.

>>142006164
Go read Extra, I'm not spoonfeeding you anymore, secondaryfag.

>>142006030
>Shirou's selfishness caused thousands on innocents to die in HF
That's Wormslut.

>>142006346
I'll re-read it once you read it just once.

>>142006374
Yeah, Sakura did the killing and Shirou didn't stop her because he wanted to dick her.

>>142006375
I'm re reading it for the third time right at this very moment, so get to it.
You didn't even know Extra Rin was a different person, so it's painfully obvious you won't be doing a re-read but a first time read.

>>142006119

Rin's totally into girl-on-girl though.

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>>141995869
>Old Men
Warning, warning!

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>>142003302
Those 4 still applied when Shirou tried to kill Shinji in the bloodfort in Fate

>>142007631
Different version of Shirou who was going through a different development at the time.

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>>142004184

>>141986684
poor mans akiha and responsible for over half of the worst and most boring scenes in fate (the rest being endless cooking scenes)

>>142010179
She's Akiha 2.0
Now with 100% less yandere, a convex chest, and several fetish options.

>>141998037
Saber with a competent master using Excalibur
Rider from fate zeros reality marble. Maybe?
Fully charged EA
Ars Almadel salomonis
Papiyas (nobunagas true no). Again idk maybe?

>>142003385
He raped samurai in HD and that not only once.
Just because she's a slut who enjoyed it because she needed it doesn't mean he wasn't raping her

>>142011925
He's only as bad as Shirou or Rin.

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>>142010179

She and Akiha are almost twins, or at least sisters.

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>>141998086
>>141998484
You wake up and realize that you are in complete control of Rin's body, effectively replacing her mind.
...FOR 1 DAY!

What would you do?

>>142012372
Find a mirror

>>142012372

Fuck Luvia.

I couldn't begin to imagine Rin's reaction to waking up, naked, in bed with Luvia.

>>142012372
Transfer her assets and property. Depends on what has happened to my body too. I'd quite like to fuck myself. Probably finish up by putting myself in a situation of inescapable death, which should occur just after I lose control of her body.

>>142012408
That is if you can manage to woo Luvia in one day well enough to get in the bed with her.
>>142012407
That's pretty modest, not even doing anything with the mirror, just finding one.

>>142012492

>That is if you can manage to woo Luvia in one day well enough to get in the bed with her.

That would be pretty easy. Exploit Luvia's own crush on Rin. Just walk right up and start kissing her, and then take charge. Luvia wouldn't even want Rin to stop.

>>142012589
That's pretty cruel. Rin would break up with her tomorrow and heartbroken Luvia would off herself.

>>142012720

...just as planned

>>142011813
>Saber with a competent master using Excalibur
Doesn't Kerry and Shriou actually give her Amazing NP power, just shit everything else?

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>>142012372

Ride Rider. Have Fuyuki City's wildest sapphic symposium.

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>>142012372
Offer my services to a voluptuous Finnish heiress.

>>142013115
>Kerry
Just shit luck, Kiritsugu is not a bad magus, he is unconventional.
>Shriou
He shits on mostly everything but luck.

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>>142014036
Why is Luvia lacking in highlights?

>>142014036

Shirou totally got to bang them both.

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>>142006410
>Sakura did the killing

>>142004571

This isn't true. He abuses her for his own self-satisfaction and malice. Nothing he does actually helps her, since he doesn't have the magical energy. Her capacity as a magus is as high as Rin, did you forget? If she needed random people to give her energy, let alone someone with as little power as Shinji, she'd be dead. Did you also forget that she can get regain energy over time? Shinji trying to give her energy would be like trying to fuel a Hummer with an eyedropper of gas. Not needed, and certainly doesn't help.

And in the all ages version, he abuses her because of much the same reason, to feel he has power over the actual heir because he is petty, and covers it up with his coping mechanism of "if I don't discipline her, she'll drag down the prestigious Matou househould", which is bordering on lunacy. It's all in the material books, Shinji is delusional to a hilarious extent.

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>>142003445
Rin is a rapist.

>>142003385
>Shirou raped Rin in HA
Are you sure you read the same HA as me?

>>142013244

Rider seems like a great ride until you get into the blood fetish. Did you read the Eclipse scene in Hollow where she makes the dream Sakura? The sheer amount of blood fetish stuff there is like something out of a vampire harlequin novel.

I mean, if that is your kink, it's fine, but you should know Rider is hardcore both ways. M and S.

>>142012477
>suddenly dies after all property is transferred to unrelated third party
Gee, the police will never figure this out.

>>142014322


I like how Rin and Luvia would go crazy without each other.

The Association is too full of stuffy political backstabbing and ass kissing for people as wild as them. Even Zelretch agreed in HF True, when he told Rin to get her materials and get out.

>>142016051
Police in anime and video games are retarded.

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I want to fuck Tohsaka Rin

>>142016184
>Socks in the bath
What a retard.

>>142016286
Yeah, but having sex while wearing thigh-highs is even more pointless.

>>142015155
Is Luvia an old man?

>>142014260
The Shadow acted based on Sakura's subconsciousness

"Senpai's gonna get killed if he continues the war, but.... he can't fight without a Servant, can he?"
> The Shadow takes Saber

"Senpai is gonna get killed at this rate, but... if he's too injured, he can't continue the war, can he?
>The Shadow takes one of Shirou's arms

also, Sakura herself said that she has dreams about herself killing people, and part of her found those dreams "pleasant"

>>142019262
Fuck off Sakura dindu nuthing.

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>>141998037
1. S
2. H
3. I
4. K
5. I

>>142016112
This, they'll probably blame it on a gas leak

/r/ that webm of Rin and Luvia fighting

>>142019669
Berserker got rkt so bad there it's not even funny.

>>142020089
Which one? There are plenty.

>>142020380
that doujin was the Ultimate Shiki Wankfest™

>>142017548
I think you might be a faggot.

>>142020763
Shiki killing Berserker while Berserker has his hands full with ARC is totally plausible and you know it.

>>141998037
1. Ark
2. Ark
3. Ark
4. Ark
5. Ark

>>142020380
if shirou and rin can fight servants without getting instantly destroyed, and tsukihimes and stronger than fates then it it's a fair enough leap in logic to assume tsukihimes can beat up servants

especially since underdogs always win in type moon

>>142021627
Specially when you consider Shiki can beat Shirou as per WoG.

>>142021830
Not really impressive, Shirou is weak as fuck. Literally every servant other than Gil would canonically wreck his ass.

>>141988077
nice

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>>142021255
not sure if bait, buuut...

> Tohno "I almost fried my brain just by killing poison inside a person's body" Shiki killing a Servant

yeah, sure....

>>142000413
>Doesn't kill Kotomine which kills best red head
He actually killed Kirei by shooting him in the heart. The Grail revived him after Kerry rejected it.

>>142022062
The level of brain-frying is based on how difficult it is to comprehend what you're killing. Killing poison, something that doesn't have a concept of death from the perspective of humans, should be harder than killing a spirit.

Not saying it wouldn't be difficult for Shiki to kill a servant, but if he can kill an immortal apostle with 666 different lives in it with a single blow, he can probably kill the 12 lives of a powerful familiar.

>>142001041
"You forgot that he neglected to tell anyone he set bombs to seal the greater grail under Mount Enzo forever."

and which Magi would've blown up the Grail, if he/she had known that it can open a path to the Root?

If anything it would've made everything worse.

>>142022062
He killed Arc who is a superior spiritual entity than a Servant. The whole relevant issue Nasu addressed with whether the MEoDP works on Servants or not is the fact they are spiritual entities and Tohno is proven to be able to kill those with zero issues.

>>142022062
shiki didn't fry his brain with the poison, he killed the concept of being poisoned and only went temporarily blind. and that was his first major use of his eyes in that route besides stabbing an already mostly dead SHIKI and cutting open doors

in near side shiki's two first big uses for his eyes are to kill arcueid (on the level of high tier servants at least) and nero (basically a walking reality marble). in ciel route he also manages to cut the link between the earth and arcueid (abit only for a while, because like arcueid herself that's something that doesn't die even when killed)

he does all of these without any real damage to his brain at all. the only time in tsukihime he has any drawbacks from his eyes is when he uses it on himself in ciel route and the posion on kohaku

all shiki needs to do to kill a servant is get one or all of his many girlfriends that could keep them at bay and go in for the sneak attack with his anime ninja speed, especially because he gets the Underdog bonus that doubles all stats in type moon fights

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>>142022062
In Hisui route he almost didn't use his eyes up to this moment and didn't get info on what his power actually is. That aside what he did was actually extremely difficult. He killed poison flowing through Kohaku blood circulation system, he didn't see his target instead he made whole "visualisation" with his brain alone.

>>142022369
> in near side shiki's two first big uses for his eyes are to kill arcueid (on the level of high tier servants at least)

by powerlevels? sure. anything else? not so much. conceptualizing Arc's death, who's vulnerable during day is not as difficult as conceptualizing the death of a Servant.

>in ciel route he also manages to cut the link between the earth and arcueid (abit only for a while, because like arcueid herself that's something that doesn't die even when killed)

that's vampirified Shiki, with Roa taking over his body. regular Shiki couldn't have pulled off something ridiculous like that.

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>>142020089

>>142022369
>all shiki needs to do to kill a servant is get one or all of his many girlfriends that could keep them at bay and go in for the sneak attack with his anime ninja speed

Actually, this is a fair point.

arcueid is arcueid

ciel is an amazing magus, a really strong melee fighter that can keep up to some degree with arcueid and she doesn't die even when killed

akiha has speed of sight life/power/concept drain (boosted by roa if you're basing this off kohaku ending, the only route that really works for a spinoff)

len ... does something, I'm sure.

and lastly satsuki has gag/underdog character hacks which means she has amazing potential to be a hella strong dead apostle and has a reality marble that sucks the mana out the nearby area, which is an amazing anti servant ability and does fuck all to most or all of the tsukihimes

>>142022731
arcueid is """""vulnerable"""""" during the day the same way servants are """"vulnerable""" all the time. You don't see archer or gilgamesh rebuilding their bodies after dying

her lines are very few and shiki only hit them because he hacked her into kibbles and bits. it's just that while there's a small potential of her dying during the day it's literally impossible for her to die during the night unless she's been seriously weakened already because the night powers her up

>>142022731
See>>142022342 Arc is confirmed by Nasu to have an spiritual rank on a transcendent level and being an spiritual entity on the level of a God.

Servants are shit compared to her in literally everything.

>>142019262
The shadow goes after servants on its own with the guidance of Zouken, as shown in several other cases, and the arm was literally a coincidence, since there's a bad end there if you move another way to dodge the shadow's explosion.

Also, Sakura was unable to control what the shadow did in her dreams, and was horrified by them at first until she got used to seeing them. The shadow used her as fuel for its MO, but she herself had absolutely zero responsibility for its actions, since she didn't even know her dreams were real until Gilgamesh attacked her.

>>142021830
that really depends on the circumstances.

> whether they have knowledge about each other's abilites
> how far is the distance between the two
> which version of Shirou it is
> does Shirou have an active link with Saber

>>142023391
Sakura couldn't help it and she's a victim, that's true.
but the Shadow was acting based on her subconsciousness.

AM doesn't have a self of its own (stated by HA), it needs a host to function, and using Sakura's repressed rage was a perfect opportunity for "it" to munch on people.

>>142023405
Nasu answer was about pure powerlevels. Circumstances can change outcome of the battle but overall Shiki is stronger.

>>142003952
Everyone is a little girl, no exceptions.

And, if, by 'around here', you mean 'on his Earth', then definitely not. I met a girl in college dedicated enough to watch Prisma Illya multiple times despite a disinterest in yuri just in case it would provide some further information on the Nasuverse, which she had 100%ed every game, manga, book, and anime of.

More dedication than I, at least

So apparently the first 3 episodes of Deen HD should have aired a couple of hours ago.

>>142025203
Wait, what?

They made an HD version of the DEEN series?

>>142025471
http://www.tbs.co.jp/tbs-ch/item/a0169/

>>142025540
Is it mandatory in Japan to have a Fate show on television year round?

Either way I'm not disinterested. If these get uploaded, heck I'll probably download them. I don't actively hate the DEEN series, and watching it weekly could be good fun.

>>142024385
Kaleid Liner was is damn pro-Luvia biased.

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>>142020380
subarashi~

>>141998834
>liking Shinji

Nigga what?

>>142027358
>Not liking someone means they should die

>>142027358
Shinji reminds me of my best friend

>>142029266
Does he have a sister?

>>142005225
But that was consensual.

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>>142014528
>you should know Rider is hardcore both ways. M and S.
That's more than enough to make for her schlicking with blood

>>142024385
I want to straighten her hair.

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>>142030154
Cruel. Are you sure that's better than drilling her hair?

>>142030705
I want to see her deviant (straight) persona.

>>142030705
Luvia is rude.

She needs to be set straight.

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>>142031659
It won't be easy straightening out this one.

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>>141986684
I rather have the superior sister

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>>142031877
Okay.

>>142031877
Not sure if superior sister but yes superior couple.

>>142032329
>superior couple

The problems with Shirou and Sakura's relationship is one of the main reasons why HF is so divisive.

Hey, a fate thread. I got a question.

So part of what makes tracing so awesome is that it copies most of the abilities of the weapon and the skill of the user

Can shirou/emiya give traced weapons to other people and have the same benefits? If so whats stopping emiya from tracing rho aias or avalon or something and passing them around?

>>142032928
Nah, it's distinctly Shirou's power. Projection to most other people is pretty useless.

>>142033042
I get that shirous version of projection is way awesome because he's the bone of his sword or whatever

I'm saying what's stopping shirou from giving his projections to other people. Do they just not work without UBW? I thought that just let him make them in the first place.

>>142033138
He can directly hand them to people, but I believe it's distinctly Shirou who gets the skill benefits of them. They'd just be swords to anybody else.

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PLEASES

ALAYA

FOR

GEMS

The closest example of this would be the Jewel sword in HF but that's probably because it's a magic sword that Rin already knew how to use.

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>>142033371
T O H S A K A
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>>142033371
This doesn't exist.
Stop showing me these lies and nothings.

>>142033371
>>142034612
would

very hard

>>141989855
It serves the same purpose as a crotch rope

>>142035301
>Liking this literal abortion of a design.
Even if you hate Rin, how can you like this over designed mess?

>>142035692
I love Rin.

I love Bayo-Rin.

It's perfect poetry from Dante-Archer.

>>142035692
I was gonna answer you but >>142035874 beat me to it

emiya has a fucking stupid outfit too, the glasses look does it for me

>>142035874
Bayo is a god damn STEPFORD WIFE compared to this.
Why does Rin have Horns?
Why is she wearing Slut Heels that do nothing?
Why does she have fish lips
What is all that shit behind her and what purpose doe they serve?
What is that red shit around her neck? Is it a choker a marking?
This is nothing like Bayo. It's Bayo's Period blood spilled onto the ground

>>142031877
>>142031999
Trips>Dubs

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Cute!

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>>141987702

I know this is a late question, but did UBW turn out the way you all hoped it would?