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Why didn't the incubators generate energy by throwing magical girls into tentacle pits instead?
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Because the entire entropy premise makes zero fucking sense already.

Go read that one stupid Mami doujin again.
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>>141845750
theres more than one stupid mami doujin
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>>141845801
Pretty much every Mami doujin that isn't [vanilla] or [yuri] is stupid.
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>>141845867
why?
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>>141845891
Probably because I'm still salty as fuck after that one Cake Mami doujin where the Majou discovered that they could clear their soul gems with fucking baking soda.
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>>141845963
what if they coudl clean their soul gems through sex?
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>>141846018
As long as it's yuri sex.
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Incubators aren't very creative.
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>>141845674
Free range magical girls > Magical girls stuffed in tentacle pits
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>Sayaka: What is this feeling, so sudden and new?
>Homura: I felt it the moment I laid eyes on you.
>Sayaka: My pulse is rushing…
>Homura: My head is reeling…
>Sayaka: My face is flushing?
>Homura: What is this feeling, fervid as a flame?Does it have a name?
>Sayaka: Yes-
Both: Loathing. Unadulterated loathing.
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>>141846630
but when the magical girls turn into witches you have to waste energy making another magical girl.

with tentacle pits you just need to keep the magical girls alive.
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>>141845674
What is the translation for these images?
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>>141845674
Entropy was Urobuchi telling the viewer that magical girl suffering is just something that needs to happen. It's not meant to be thought about that hard.
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>>141846751
>Being in the snow with my lover gives me a special feeling.
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>>141846786
cute
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>>141846755
but entropy is an actual concept IRL
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>>141845867
Mami yuri doujins aren't even good. No one's had the balls to have write a story where Mami steals Madoka from Homura.
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>>141846875
HomuMami is the way to go anyway. Black and Yellow is a more fun mix than Pink and Yellow.
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>>141846865
Does that matter? It's a plot device to show the viewer that the system is there for a reason and it's a pretty damn good reason. It makes Kyubey a necessary evil.
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>you-know-who invading the thread in 3, 2, 1...
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>>141846920
MamiHomu is my favorite crack ship, but no one ever writes those. Ayane did one, but it was 80% dialogue and a few dozen pages.
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>>141846946
yea but there are other ways of generating the energy needed to stop the entropy right
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>>141846946
iff you believe a word qb has to say about things

remember that the entropy explanation was the episode right after he claimed he didn't understand the concept of manipulation, then purposely got kyouko killed
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>>141847037
They're not evil. They're just not good. They wouldn't have a reason to throw the girls in a tentacle pit because megucas will despair anyways.
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>>141847078
He isn't though.
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>>141847037
You don't "stop" entropy. You merely need to construct a system that violates the second law of thermodynamics. That system happens to be a pubescent girl who has their soul ripped out and turned into a repository of magic. According to the Incubators, the combination of human individuality and the emotional spectrum of said pubescent girls is the only system that generates an appreciable net energy output.
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>>141847121
but despairing for the rest of eternity generates wayyy more energy in the long run
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>>141846751
>>141846841
>>>141846786
>>my lover
Close! So close! The pic >>141845674 says "my waifu". This meme has various modifications.
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>Things Homura will never ask you

Suicide is a good option right now.
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>>141847282
It's not about simply making them despair. It's about the phase change from hope to despair. Once you break them down, they no longer generate energy.
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>>141847211
right but the magical girls generate energy when they feel despair, but when they turn into witches you have to create a new magical girl, which means expending more energy.

Keeping the magical girl alive to generate despair for the rest of eternity is a more efficient system.

Also it would be interesting to see how the incubators experimented to end up with the current system.
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>>141847431
isnt that because they turn into mindless witches?
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http://exhentai.org/g/800512/a66c58f4b8/

Why aren't there more doujins like this
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All right, Madoka General, what if only one of the manga series was going to be adapted into an anime.

Which one would you most want to see adapted?

I'd want to see Different Story, Homura's Revenge, Oriko Magica, & Homura Tamura to be made into an anime about Homura's travels through different timelines
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>>141847872
>>141847753
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>>141847583
>>141847611
Despair is not the source of energy. It's the violent transformation from magical girl to witch that generates energy. Keeping them alive is literally just wasting energy.
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>>141847926
isnt the emotions that result in the witch transformation what generates energy?
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>>141847926
Yes, if you believe Kyubey's explanation.
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>>141847966
>希望と絶望の相転移
The phase transition from hope to despair
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>>141847966
Yes and no.

When magical girls use magic, their soul gems take on curses from the rest of the world because of the distortion their magic causes on the world.

It's the release of the energy of all the built up emotions in their soul gem, both positive and negative, that Kyubey collects.
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Inefficient. Why add extra variables when the Magical Girl > Witch Cycle fuels itself?
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>>141848094
so you just need to make them swing from hope to despair and then back again to generate infinite energy.
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>>141847872
Next season, I want Homura to lead a group of evil magical girls instead of the clara dolls.
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>>141847872
The Different Story. Possibly Wraith Arc.

>>141847966
It's not the emotion itself, but rather the change in emotion. It's like a lightning bolt: the girls build up a large "charge" then release it violently, generating energy. However, the process is irreversible, so the Incubators simply seek out another girl to repeat it.
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>>141848122
because you have to waste energy creating a new magial girl after they turn into a witch?
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>>141848123
That kind of thing doesn't end well for the Kyubey. You don't want a girl who's filled with infinite energy.
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>>141848123
It means I can not watch Madoka threads or post anything any longer!
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>>141848188
Sure, but you'll still need a fresh supply with the tentacle plan, too. Here, the witches supply the despair themselves.
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>>141848183
instead of the battery generating a large charge, blowing out the battery in the process, the incubators should just siphon off energy over a long period to prevent having to replace the battery.
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>>141848193
you would be removing the energy each time though, so the girl doesnt get infinite energy.
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>>141848123
Except reversing the process, going from despair to hope, would require more energy than was produced in the first place, completely defeating the purpose.
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>>141848183
>possibly Wraith Arc
That shit is still in moon runes. And it's going to end in Homura mind raping everyone anyway.
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>>141848240
You obviously don't know what the term 'infinite' means you stupid sack of shit.

When the girl meets the cusp of the infinite energy threshold then she's become way too full of energy for anyone to control.

Just hope you stay on her good side.
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>>141848217
It's not as simple as that. If they don't accumulate a large charge, then they're taking in too much energy by merely existing. You don't get the net energy gain this way.
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>>141847872
Different Story and Homura's Revenge, since they're the only two spin-off's that are under the Madoka Magica label.

Sayaka and Kyoko vs Homura would pretty awesome animated.
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>>141845674

The incubators wouldn't have the means to control them once they became witches. They might destroy the tentacle facility. better to let them wreck their own home world than risk losing control of them
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>>141848208
no you won't, because you just mind wipe the magical girls after they reach the despair point, that way they start from the hope point again.

This is assuming of course, that you disable the witch transformation part.
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>>141847872
First choice would be Different Story
Second choice would be Homura's Revenge

They're the only manga that wouldn't need new voice actors to come in if they became an anime.
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>>141848248
no it wouldn't, because mindwiping the girls is way easier than creating a new magical girl.
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>>141846875

Mami works better as the teams bicycle anyway. The doujin where she gets the other girls drunk and they all tag team on her is fap-fucking-tastic.
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Why don't Madoka threads disappear from /a/? Are our powers infinite? These threads are Hope or Despair?
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>>141848547
>disable the witch transformation part
Why would you do that? That just seems inefficient at best.
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>>141848594
Because one of the higher ups on /a/ is a Madokafag. They're never leaving this board.

never ever.
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>>141846710
But the energy came from the moment they became a witch.
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>>141846710
>tentacle pits
Please stop trying to cross Madoka Magica with La Blue Girl.
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>>141848590
Mami works best as a mommy.

Please don't sexualize the magical girls. They're only like 15, tops.
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>>141848547
>>141848570

Then you don't generate energy at all. The witch transformation is what generates the energy.
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>>141848349
how can she reach infinite energy if she never accumulates enough energy to do that
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>>141848594
Because we're so desperate to see Homura saved.
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>>141848547
Time to leave this thread and fap to some Madoka fanfiction, anon. You're too blinded by your own boner to know what you're talking about.
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>>141848914
She's never going to be saved.
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>>141849049
I'd argue, but that's an entirely real possibility, which terrifies me.
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>>141848199
Seriously if I leave here, nobody will be literally concerned with me.

>>141848635
You and I are Madokafags as well.

>>141848914
>>141849049
Are you two Homuhaters?
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>>141849161
>>141849186
new phone who dis
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>>141849049

But she did nothing wrong.
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>>141848547
Wouldn't it be better to have magical girls who can turn into a witch at will?
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>>141849198
Why would I say I want Homura to be saved if I hate her?
She's literally my favorite fictional character.
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>>141849198
I don't hate Homura. But she seems resigned to her own doom now that Madoka has been captured. It's dem tired eyes she has that she has during the end part of Rebellion.
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>>141849291

>two posts with 2 seconds between them
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>>141849370
I've seen some weak ass bait before but that is some weak ass bait

1/10, I replied.
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>>141849247
Why does GAN's designs look so slutty?
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>>141849371
>>141849401
>>141849413
>>141849429
Why do you just love to further damage the fandom? Why do you support low quality content?
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>>141849429
because they ARE slutty
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>>141849451
>damage the fandom
>fandom
Get out of here, you underage shit. Only retards and tumblrshits use this expression. And there's no "fandom" to be "damaged" when 4chan doesn't care about Madoka.
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>>141849516
Anon no
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To be honest, as anti-crack shipper, I was more offended by the egregious misunderstandings of thermodynamics in this thread than a handful of HomuMami posts.
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>>141849569
You're not "anti-crack" since you refuse to let this thread die.

>>141849705
See the above.
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>>141849924
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>>141845674
Is there any lewd images of this exact occurence?
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goofy doing the madoka theme, you didn't even know you needed this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OicAo_QLY_o
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>>141851363
sounds like someone has already become a witch.
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>>141845674
OP sure is a great sign to get your hopes up for some quality discussion.
Definitely not floods of crack content derailing thread, oh wait.
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I want to stick my dick in crazy.
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>>141845750
That part made perfect sense.

The universe is probably going to die due to heat death. Meaning that all particles are at their lowest energy states (e.g. no planets or suns anymore), assuming that all particles don't just decay into nothingness.

Magical girls for some unknown reason, generate more energy than that was put into them. Thus, farming girls for energy is a net-positive in terms of energy transactions. If the Incubators decided to use humans as a permanent energy source they could have prevented the heat death of the universe in whatever how many years from now.

But the Incubators supposedly had a finite quota so they were only thinking about their short-term gains (short term being several thousand years I imagine). The heat death argument *IS* valid and does make sense, but that was clearly them just bs'ing Madoka instead of actually believing in saving the universe.
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>>141846710
>but when the magical girls turn into witches you have to waste energy making another magical girl.
So? What matters if that you get more energy out of the whole deal per girl. You want a sustainable resource, not a one-time burst.
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>>141851774
wat
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>>141851938
k
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>>141845750
>Because the entire entropy premise makes zero fucking sense already.

Pretty much this.
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>>141849283
Sorry.
>>>141848914
>be desperate to ≒ be eager to
I knew the usage for the first time. Also I never ever wanna be "hopeless" about my English skills.

>>141849327
>tumblr

>>141849705
I recognized you as a offender. What is it that you dislike so much? But it is no use reporting me, because Mods ignore your wrong reports.

>>141851641
Where?
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>>141852240
*an
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>>141852401
Homura looks like she's suffering for some reason.
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>>141852431
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>>141852452
She ate too much and don't wanna get fat! However, Madoka....
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>>141852510
*doesn't
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>>141845674
Somewhere, this is a doujin.
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>>141851717
The point at which the universe would collapse from heat death is so many billions of years in the future that the earth would not even exists due to our sun going out by then. The Kyuubi is just a fucking asshole using humans to farm energy so Homura fucking his shit up was great catharsis.
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>>141846671
Why is there no MadoMagi musical yet?
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Madoka: "Homura-chan~"
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>>141846875
Because even my suspension of disbelief doesn't go quite far enough to assume Homura doesn't find out and empty a Browning M2 into Mami's wonderful oversized funbags.
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Madoka: "I caught you!"
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>>141852579
fire fox
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Madoka: (I wanna lick her cheek clean!)
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>>141848024
I don't agree with the little Satan teddybear but I do believe him. It sounds totally reasonable for a self-interested and quite literally emotionless species to behave this way in an effort to save the universe in which they live.
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>>141852740
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/141420463/#141440819
If the universe has finite resources about intelligent life, the annihilation of human beings dose not bring them a profit in order to get a temporary large energy in exchange for continuous trade. Therefore, there's a possibility he has another purpose. For example, he might want to ruin the Earth, because magical girls are dangerous characters. Anyway, the works are open-ended. Urobuchi is a shit.
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>>141852923
What are they going to do on the bed?
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You realize the reason /a/ never has Madoka threads of any substance is because you tripfags destroyed them.
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>>141848714
>implying mother/daughter incest roleplay isn't kinda hot
Although for cute value I can totally imagine an AU where Mami is alive and actually does behave as a mother for Kyoko and maybe Homura, whose parents don't seem to exist.
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>>141852947
Magical things.
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>>141852947
Because I wanna go to bed.
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>>141851641
Because crazy- especially yandere crazy- is hot. Yuno Gasai, Homura here, they're attractive because they're insane, overprotective and would do almost anything for the one they love. Devotion gives us boners because we're used to being left by women.
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>>141852849
I thought always responding is what makes it obvious who he is?
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that's nice
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>>141853110
You nailed it.
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What did she mean by this?
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>>141853383
But she's not real and never will.
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>>141853383
So beautiful, /a/
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>>141853443
FANTASY IS WONDERFUL.
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>>141853537
Then you're just lying to yourself
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>>141848768
so find a way to siphon off the despair to generate energy instead of turning them into a witch
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>>141846225
Subtle
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>>141853443
Neither is the prospect of love for me anyway.
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>>141853875
I can still love you, anon
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>>141853915
You are not a girl.
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If you're into imagedumping that much then I need more subtle or powerlevel hiding wallpapers for my phone.
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>>141853620
No one actually believes this. You idiot.
Notice how you are the only one who is responding? Take a Fucking hint dumbass.
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I'd like to think that if Yuma and Sayaka both contracted on the same timeline that they would fight over Kyoko.
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>>141855218
Bump
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>>141854677
What the fuck dude!
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Would Madoka let someone lick her ass if was guaranteed to save them?
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>>141855218
Most of the other anons that were posting probably went to bed or church.

Back to being on-topic, it's weird that there haven't been any tie-ins to the Suzune Magica or Tart Magica in any of the video games yet.

At least Madoka Online tried to acknowledge Kazumi and Oriko.
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>>141855490
Don't reply to that shit. Just report and ignore.

dumbass
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>>141855627
Had to, nsfw.
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>>141855577
There's really not enough crossover fanart.
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>>141856003
She's so pure and soft.
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>>141847872
Different Story would be great, but truth be told, it's not really the same. I love it as a story, with being able to see all these cross-over relationships that they didn't really have time for at first. But I'm not sure that was ever the point of PMMM, which felt more like it was about pushing to unravel what you expected from it by repeatedly setting up moments that "should've" gone a particular way (and would've, in typical a mahou shoujo) but doesn't. But even that kind of swerving has become more and more normal, really.

Obviously the whole world is it's own setting now, with all sorts of official work that doesn't hold to that same theme, but maybe that's why I'm just not as excited about their extended universe.
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>>141856003
Sleep snug meduka.
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>>141847872
Oriko and The different story.
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>>141856134
I'll agree that a huge part of what makes the anime great is how it plays with and unravels audience expectation.

And that the expanded universe manga don't really do that as well.
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>>141847872
Either TDS, Oriko or Homura Tamura.
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>>141856746
I haven't read all the companion works, but I liked TDS for its own story and the little callbacks it did to the original series. Even its conclusion is done (intentionally, I'm sure) in parallel with the main story and I found Madoka's involvement touching in almost exactly the same way as I felt originally.

But I do think that what made the original series so good was one gutpunch after another, not because they were shocking abd edgy but because they really laid bare how you had been counting on very particular things to happen, even if you weren't an avid fan of mahou shoujo before. Being confronted by that is probably something that not everyone wants to admit (maybe they think it makes them look stupid or something) so I think it's easy to dismiss it as edgelord material. And sure, they won in the end, but I don't think anyone was expecting a meta-origin story out of it, and it left this great wink-and-nod about there being only a tiny number of girls who actually know what they're truly fighting for. They're just different, which is maybe why I was happy to let it go at just the original series, because I thought it accomplished what it set out to do.
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>>141856134
>>141857249
I agree with you that TDS was very good and that helped fill gaps in relationships

>>141856746

One thing I noticed is the only enemy viable in the spin-off are other magical girls as witches are mindless and Kyubey and Wraith really only intervenes in special cases. But even so it has restrictions on the type of script that can be written, for example, the antagonist may not have long-term plans, as magical girl is not exactly a good life expectancy.

What opinion you that?
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>>141846671
Loathe and Love are just two sides of the same coin.
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>>141858253
Yes,yes, fight, fight!
>>141858290
Dafuq?
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>>141852568
What if it's only so far in the future because Kyubey was prolonging it, hmm?
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>>141858961

Weak female character.
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>>141853391

She wanted to make out with Homura.
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>>141852510
She isn't going to get the ass Madoka likes if she doesn't eat more.

>>141859173
Who doesnt?
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All of a sudden the air feels so much...


... cleaner.
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>>141851764
Magical girls in tentacle pits would be a sustainable resource because you wouldnt have to keep replacing them.
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>>141852240
I forgive you because you offer cute MadoHomus.

>>141852510
Why is she crying? Is she doing karaoke of "Connect" and being reminded of everything she went through?

>>141853614
You could use the same argument about any energy source, except replace "turn into witch" with "burn out." It doesn't work that way.

>>141856134
>>141856746
>>141857249
The reason why a lot of things are left unexplored in the mainline PMMM series is because it would mess up the presentation of the central plot. The manga (particularly TDS and WA) may not have this same impression, especially because they both feature foregone conclusions, but I like them because they fill in the gaps.
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>>141860101
Tiredness and thirst can kill
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>>141860111
>Why is she crying?

Because Homu is a cry baby when Madoka is around. Or not around for that matter.
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>>141860111
Think of it like a battery.

If you charge the battery with too much energy, it blows up. Just like a magical girl turning into a witch.

So you get the battery to discharge energy over a period of time instead of exploding.
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>>141860434
The problem is charging the battery takes in more energy than the battery puts out when holding a charge.
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>>141860156
im sure a race as advanced as QB can hook them up to life support
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>>141860494
we dont really know that.
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>>141862285
Keeping a human alive requires an immense amount of energy. If a magical girl lives for a long duration, she will keep on taking in energy to survive, reducing the return on energy, until you get negative values.
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>>141862761
You know, this is why the "battery" thing in The Matrix never made any sense to me.
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>>141862761
not really, their souls are in the soul gem remember?
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>>141862761
I was under the impression that the average magical girl lasted a few weeks, with veterans like Mami and Kyouko being outliers and people like Homu and Celopatra being on the extreme end of the spectrum.
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>>141863263
They still consume all the resources a normal human does.
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>>141852551
It's the best pairing so of course
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>>141863475
it makes it easier to keep them alive. remember, you dont need to keep them at maximum health.
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I am curious.
Are megucas immune to every disease and poison like witchers?
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>>141864189
No, but they could just heal off the damage inflicted on their body.
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>>141864035
You're still around and evading your ban I see.
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>>141864899
So we're going on 4 years now of you throwing an autist fit and evading your bans because you feel threatened somehow by other girls being paired together despite there being no canon pairing.
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>>141865182
We all already know who you are, do you honestly expect anyone to believe you're someone else crack-kun?
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>>141863966
Nah, it's garbage when you depict it as a romantic relationship.
>>141864697
You're still around baiting.
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For the uniformed, if they somehow exist

http://desustorage.org/a/search/text/crack-kun/
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>>141865533
uninformed* too
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>>141865182
>posting screenshots of some retarded mod who was fired long ago
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Why did it take me so so long to realize that "ACK" is an acronym for "anti crack-kun"?
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>>141865533
I am sure everyone knows, besides he is shitposting in a Symphogear thread.
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>>141865628
It's ok, Sayaka wasn't exactly the smartest of the magicas too
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>>141865533
>>141865613
Nobody cares, this isn't relevant to discussing Madoka.
You're just as bad and no better if you want to derail the thread with off-topic meta, crack spammer.
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>>141865652
Because you happen to be shitposting there.
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>>141865652
Didn't realize we had one up guess I'll go collect some yuri.
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>>141865652
Oh, are the Symphogear threads just as tainted?
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>>141865925
The thread was fine for a dozen of hours and then he showed up and is shitposting.
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>>141866186
Fucking kill yourself.
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Can anyone give me some good vanilla or yuri doujin's with Mami?
I need them for....reasons
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>>141866763
But her figure is good enough that you don't really need doujins
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>>141866763
http://exhentai.org/g/812038/4f737dccc5/
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>>141866794
I-I need crack anon....I need more....I need her in my life
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>>141867007
She's not real mang
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>>141852568
For all we know, in QBs society that's an incredibly shortsighted perspective.
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delet madok
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>>141867689
delet this
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>>141867079
>>141867174
http://exhentai.org/g/854418/02cb6d8142/
Here, I'm sure this is more to your liking and "respects" the characters much more
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>>141866965
great taste anon, I wasn't aware it got translated due to an ever increasing backlog
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>>141868456
http://exhentai.org/g/651536/03f3c35554/
There's a couple futa MamiKyou too
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>>141868595
Thanks, going to bring MamiKyou to the top of my priority list and check them all out.
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>>141866965
>>141868595
Thanks for the links.
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>>141869089
http://exhentai.org/g/368116/61aeb177d6/
Here's another doujin that totally respect the character of Mami, shit man is like I'm watching the serie
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Hey, I just got here. Thanks to the anons above for posting those links. Those were great.
I came with the fury of a thousand buffalo.
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>>141869745
I just got here to, I love mamikyo and anyone who is against it is a drippy douchenozzel.
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IT's absolutely unthinkable that Mami would invite Kyoko over for cake then softly carass her thigh. She wouldn't do that, she only has eyes for Nagisa. Even if she were to slowly walk her fingers up Kyoko's legs, it would only be because Kyoko spilled some crumbs there or something. It absolutely wouldn't be an excuse to get her hand closer to Kyoko's ladies parts where she could easily undo her zipper and pull her pants down. Even if she were to end up in such a situation she absultly would not ever even consider the possibility of stripping Kyoko's panties off as well and inserting not one or two but THREE fingers into the redhead's trembling slit.
Mami is a respect senpai and would never be disloyal to Nagisa or take advantage of her kouhai like it. I'm telling you, it's just unrealistic to think that something like that would ever happen!

I just got here btw. My trip proves that I'm a new person.
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Love how her familiars represent the two closest to her heart
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Fuck off and stop bumping this shit No one else wants to see this autism. Take it to tumblr or reddit where people care
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>>141870809
Candeloro a cute A CUTE
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>>141870809
I'm pretty sure Mami would never ask Kyoko and Madoka to make out with eachother while she sips tea and watches. That would never happen.
She wouldn't start masturbating to the sight of her two kouhai making sweet love to eachother. Mami is a good girl and has no tolerance for lewd things like that.
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>>141870809
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>>141871010
>we will never see Rosso phantasma animated
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>>141871254
>>141871298
Says the obviously upset 'anon'.
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>>141871347
Fucking disgusting
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>>141870976
indeed
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Could've swarn her familiars represented Kyouko and Sayaka.
Where does Madoka come from?
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>>141871601
>Oh look, you started posting canon pairs

glad we're in agreement, MamiKyou is best
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>>141847872
Oriko or Kazumi.
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>>141845801
>>141848590
S-Source?
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>>141871696
Never in your life would that be canon.
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Why exactly do people ship kyoumami when kyousaya is so much better?
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>>141871601
How is Candeloro and her dolls canon but MamiKyou is not? Both are based on something other than the original series (game and manga) and according to your everything that doesn't appear in the original series is not canon, you're so full of bullshit that you aren't capable of keep track of your own shit.
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>>141871965
You can think what you want, I'm genuinely curious
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>>141871917
No one here really does, it's only a minority commonly found on tumblr.
It's spammed here constantly 'cause of your baiting.
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Needy senpai/loving kouhai pair is just too delicious.
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>>141872043
Says the minority.
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>>141872013
Candeloro isn't canon.
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>>141872083
What minority? Elaborate.
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>>141872043
I see, well then post moar kyousaya
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Seriously tho, does Mami even interact with Kyouko?
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>>141872187
I'd rather not, wouldn't make this thread any better.
It's like putting a cherry on top of a sundae made out of shit.
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>>141872277
What the fuck is up with this guy?
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>>141872245
They only have a few lines and one I particularly remember is Kyouko calling Mami a wet blanket, pretty funny.
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>>141871917
Because SayaKyou is shit and their relationship is specifically made to pander to yurifags, all they had in the series is respect for one another, maybe admiration and then in the movie all the development is done off screen and are love-dobby of out nowhere, compare it with the entire series devoted to Mami and Kyouko and their relationship of senpai/kouhai, plus food buddies.
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>>141872541
Except, all that "devotion" your talking about is not even supported by the anime canon.
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>>141870809
Mami wants everyone but Homu. Mami can't handle a real woman like Homu.
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>>141872541
Wait, wait, wait, you're telling me anime isn't a medium in which anime watchers are pandered to? Holy hell
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>>141872541
my nigga, love how this guy is still popping out MamiAn. A true hero
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>>141872706
Great job up voting, anon. Tell your mother about it.
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Homura saw and felt the breasts of god against her face. How could Madoka think Homura was going to react to having the biggest case of figuretive blue balls in magical girl history.
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>>141872706
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>>141872706
Shame only like 2 of his works are scanned
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>>141872043
Not to mention there one of the most butthurt fans in the fandom.
Calling pairs like MadoHomu "unhealthy" 'cause of their obsession with health in relationships and call other pairs like MamiNagi "pedophilia" despite both still being underage and Mami being three years older.
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>>141872783
>Save for if you actually liked Kyouko and Mami in ANY installment of the series, TDS or otherwise, you wouldn't pair them romantically because that never happens where in the franchise.
Just like Sayaka and Kyouko were never pairing romantically in the series either, retard
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>>141872943
They're*
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>>141872333
Ignore him. He's just a resident autist on /a/ and /u/. Or if you really want to get him going post something that isn't homuxmado. Or really just post anything and he'll think you're !akemi.

Here, have some reading matieral. Of note the pastebins and the second page.


As to the topic at hand

>>141872541
Pandering as it may be (and isn't all anime pandering in some way or another?) I still love it dearly.
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>>141872984
It was hinted to be one sided at the very least. And no, Kyouko and Mami don't even have the one sidedness going for it. You can like it all you want, but it's fact that all that supports your ship isn't anything but filler
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>>141873055
http://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/6305-strike-that-reverse-it

Meant to post that as the aforementioned reading material.
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>>141873055
It's not necessarily pandering when it's written on the show since their first incounter.
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>>141872984
It was one sided coming from Kyouko.
They even had a duet theme song
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>>141873115
I mean I'd be inclined to agree. I think they're relationship makes sense. I was just replying to that anon about the pandering. Then again except in extremely overt cases I generally think pandering is massively overused both on /a/ and abroad.
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Pandering would imply that it only existed to please the fans, that can't be true when Kyouko and Sayaka's relationship was such an integral part of the plot, especially in regards to Kyouko's development
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>>141873055
>Pandering as it may be I still love it dearly.
Actually I quite liked the pairing after the series but the way they forced it so hard in the movie and Shinbo admitting he did it because the fans wanted it just made me hate the whole thing.
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>>141873194
I wouldn't even call the hand holding scene pandering. if you were to put yourself in Sayaka's situation, it only makes sense that she's come to reciprocate how Kyouko feels. People love to throw around the word "pandering" for a development they don't like
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>>141873174
Kyouko loved her like a sister supposedly because Sayaka reminded her of her past self. The only character whose love can be seen as romantically in some way is Homu who is on the level of obsession.

but that duet was 10/10 would ship material
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>>141873200
The pandering happening in the movie, anon, which is like 80% of the thing.
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>>141873289
>Shinbo admitting he did it because the fans wanted it
[citation needed]
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Why do you people hate being pandered to? You realize it's for your own enjoyment, right?
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>>141873363
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>>141873356
You do realize 80% of the development happened in the series right? That's where people took the hint that there might be something coming from Kyouko's side
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>>141873355
>Sayaka reminded her of herself
>so she loved her like a sister
That's not how it works
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>>141873347
There's no way to be fair to evil. Aku zoku zan.
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>>141873289
>forced
Literally a film centered on Homura.
Wasn't much time to fully display their grown relationship but the intertwine fingers did a satisfying job in giving the audience their idea on how their relationship is portrayed in the story.
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>>141873305
They also think it's a convincing argument when they throw around that cheap buzzword.
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>>141873456
this confirm that it's because Shinbo wanted it that Kyouko and Sayaka's relaitonship progressed so much
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>>141873355
>Homu who is on the level of obsession

Which is why she's raping Madoka at the end of Rebellion. Oh wait, she's sitting on a hill by herself while Madoka lives her life with her family.
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>>141873289
I liked it more during the series as well when it was more one sided because it fit more and the yuri doujins that made it work were cute. Forcing it felt like out of nowhere on Sayaka's part and then TDS came along expanding upon the drama cd and MamiKyou just felt perfect.

Not that I'd attack anyone who like SayaKyou or anything, just stating my feelings on the matter. Kyouko is cute no matter who she is with.
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>>141873456
Anybody can print out a word document.
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>>141873505
>Madoka saves Homu once
>Homu dedicates multiple timelines and sacrifices her happiness to save Madoka
That's not how it works
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>>141873456
Literally the opposite of pandering to the fans, more like pandering to himself.
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Isn't it neat how every Madoka thread degenerates into anons frothing over shipping pairs?
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>>141873596
It's not rape when both of them want it.
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>>141873355
>Kyouko loved her like a sister supposedly because Sayaka reminded her of her past self
That's not quite right, Kyouko cares about Sayaka and what she was looking for was redemption, which for some fucking reason people confused with love, "in save you I'm saved myself and redeem my past mistakes " which is what Kyouko wanted.
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>>141873715
>anons

You mean, the same guy?
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I like Kyousaya because dat character duet man, right in the damn feels.
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>>141873715
With pairs like MadoHomu and KyouSaya being central to the plot, you can bet people are going to be analyzing these pairs the story portrays.
It's on-topic discussion.
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>>141873687
Because Homura saw Madoka as something more than a savior; she saw her as a very reason to live. Homura felt her life was worthless up until that point, but saving Madoka was something that she truly desired.
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So I started reading The Different Story but I have a question. I got to the end of the first part and Mami is still alive when Kyouko and Sayaka fight. Is this a different timeline as the main story or is it just a spinoff that changes things?

Also Kyouko was really cute in this.
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>>141873799
Kyouko literally says that she was trying to protect the one thing she loves, fucking hell why can't people pay more attention?
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>>141873840
It's a great track.
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>>141873708
I know, I still don't like that he did it though.
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>>141873912
The implication is that it's a timeline before the main series.
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>>141873912
The first part is the common history from before Homu started her time jumping. The latter part is just another timeline that has been abandoned by Homura.
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>>141873912
It's non canon so there are a lot of inconsistencies with the anime, like how in the anime Kyouko doesn't know Mami aside from her name.
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>>141873912
Different timeline, I think.
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>>141873912
one of the many different timelines.

Love how they're together eating cake in the afterlife in the tv version as well.
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>>141873912
It's a spin-off that adds nothing to the official story.
Just official doujinshi based on CD3 on it's first few chapters.
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>>141873917
That was in the movie, she never said anything about love in the series.
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>>141874009
Lol who is this loser?
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>>141873996
Yeah she did, to fucking Homura when she seals herself and Oktavia.
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>>141873996
So you know she did say it
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>>141873615
I can see how people would view it that way. Personally I look at it as Sayaka's integration into the LoC let her see all the timelines. We can assume that the TV series timeline wasn't the only one where Kyouko ended up feeling something for her (be that platonic or romantic doesn't really matter in this case) and seeing someone do that for you time and time again would sway her.

Also there's the fact that Kyouko states that they were friends when she dies in Madokami's universe. So to me it felt like it made sense.

I think you also have to consider in Rebellion, Homura's labyrinth created an ideal world for them, and in the case of Kyouko and Sayaka, their ideal was to be together in some regard. Homura just removed the point of contention between them (namely, the dog eat dog nature of the MG system.) which allowed their relationship to flourish.
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It's so silly to argue over this. isn't Kyousaya pretty much canon already.
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>>141874039
>lol
It's ridiculous how the mods and jans let you get away with your posts.
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>>141873994
>Mami and Kyouko talking about open a bakery together
Cute as shit
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>>141873996
>That was in the movie

Rebellion is the sequel to Beginnings+Eternal. You must defer to the movies for any differences. Seriesfags need to accept that.
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>>141874189
That doesn't happen.
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The series wasn't so clear on whether Kyouko loved Sayaka beyond "she reminds me of myself so I must save her" but it also doesn't make it hard to believe that Kyouko might have loved her in that way. Either way, it shouldn't even matter, they're cute as lovers and as friends
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>>141874120
It was never explicitly said in the show. KyouSaya is just as valid as any other pairing people can think of. The only thing the show blatantly said is that they were friends. But the average anime watcher prefers yuri to just regular friendship, so obviously they have to shoehorn in some ridiculous romantic relationship into it.
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>>141874103
>Personally I look at it as Sayaka's integration into the LoC let her see all the timelines.
Hmm never thought of it like that, it's actually a pretty good theory.
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>>141874189
Where does it say this?
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The logical progression of Madoka Magica.
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How come tentacle pits dont feature often in madoka doujins?
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>>141874226
That's actually really silly. If anything the movie shows that Sayaka > Kyouko is a thing which makes it more valid than any other pairing sans MadoHomu.
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>>141873456
Even so I still think it made logical sense. Pandering is a bit too harsh a word for that.
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>>141874278
You never heard of people that were just friends talking the way they did? I have.
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>>141874215
Cleary it was love because of her stories that she believed in when she told Madoka and the quote she told Homura and Homura looking at Madoka and warmly smiling afterwards.
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>>141874120
They're all pretty much canon at this point. I'd go as far as saying episode 12 made MadoHomu canon and Rebellion and the concept movie is just them having their first real fight. There really shouldn't be this much conversation over shipping because this series makes it pretty fucking easy to follow who is with who.
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>>141874263
There were no tentacles in the show.
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>>141874262
>people here are too young to remember fish.jpg
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>>141873912
I forgot to say Mami was really cute too.

>>141873957
>>141873968
>>141873982
>>141873994
Wow I wasn't expecting 100 responses within a minute. Thanks, that is what I was thinking.

>>141873973
When did Kyouko not know Mami's name? I remember Kyouko got really mad at Sayaka when she said that girls like her were the reason Mami died or something along those lines. She seemed to know Mami then.
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>>141874309
No, not at all.

Just for the record, around the time I saw that scene I couldn't even be bothered with shipping (I never did watch Madoka for the shipping), this scene is so blatantly meant to show a love confession.
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>>141874103
>Personally I look at it as Sayaka's integration into the LoC let her see all the timelines. We can assume that the TV series timeline wasn't the only one where Kyouko ended up feeling something for her and seeing someone do that for you time and time again would sway her.
See, I would be totally ok with that if we saw the damn thing, but we are only left to assume that that is the case, the movie doesn't devote any moment to develop the feelings of Sayaka and we only see her "response" which feels fucking forced.
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>>141874360
>>141873973
Oh I misread. Sorry
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>>141874367
Sure it was.
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>>141874349
there were no faceless old men in the show either.
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>>141874421
Faceless old men =/= tentacles.
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>>141874379
The movie didn't have time to show any of that. It was literally Mahou Shoujo Homura Magica. And it would have spoiled the whole show if they had shown Madoka/Sayaka/Nagisa planning their mission.

>>141874394
I expected an argument at least.
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>>141874393
He thinks anime Kyouko doesn't know Mami aside from her name. Hes wrong regardless
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>>141874379
>>141873530
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>>141874309
>Battle Pentagram
>MadoHomu = Fated person, soul mate in the romantic sense
>KyouSaya: Mutual love
>ALL THE FUCKING OFFICIAL ART
>Promos and limited exhibits in Japan

They really make it easy for their audience to grasp that they are more tham just friends. Urobutcher is also a huge yurifag.
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>>141874499
Then explain why Kyouko talks about Mami's death so casually. And she isn't even in front of anyone to show that she's just acting tough. She doesn't even make a side remark to show that she's saddened, nothing. And it wasn't even Mami's name she reacted to, Sayaka was standing up after she was supposed to be unable to move around for 3 months.
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>>141874499
You have no proof of this whatsoever.
Everything you've said has been dubunked.
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>>141874520
Q: Why did you choose to portray a homosexual love?
A: I don't think it is that special -- a really strong friendship turns into a lovelike-relationship without the sexual attraction, in their case.

Or you know, he just thinks that a relationship between friends is just as valid as a relationship between lovers.
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>>141874259
Game, max relation of Mami and Kyoko I think, cute shit.
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>>141874492
People have spent ages arguing about that very thing, why spend more time treading the same ground?
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>>141874590
Yeah, Rebellion changed that completely. Just look at how obsessive Homura has become.
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>>141874607
Cool. Is the game good?
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>>141874607
It is but not when you depict it as romantic.
Especially when it's clear the side content that sopports the two having a past is portraying a familial Kyouko and Mami instead.
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>>141874625
Maybe the reason you gave up arguing is because you do realize friends don't usually talk to each other in this way, especially not with the implications that Sayaka saw it as a special moment that Nagisa apaprently ruined. Once again, you can't even provide any proof that this is just how friends usually talk.
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>>141874568
>>141874561
>>141874562
It's hilarious how much effort crack-kun is putting despite most of his posts being ignored.
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>>141874711
Rofl, you're so easy to ignore.
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>>141874680
Gameplay? Fuck no, has lot of cute SoL though.
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>>141874504
What? I just went back to the scene before I posted to confirm. She does seem to get annoyed because of what Sayaka says. I think so anyway. She isn't visibly sad at Mami's death because she has lost an attachment to her and is hiding her feelings, but when Sayaka blames her for more deaths she gets annoyed. That is what I think anyway.
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>>141874750
This is probably his actual job. I don't know who pays for that kind of service though.
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>>141874761
>Rofl
>where do you think you are.jpg
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>>141874750
It's sag how much effort you put into baiting, flooding, samefagging, etc and hilarious you think only one anon hates your toxic behavior.
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>>141874590
Nice pre-Rebellion interview.

>>141874638
Her wish, and by extension her soul, is literally tied to Madoka's existence.
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>>141874824
Oh ok, people just change everything in one year time with little to no justification.
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>>141874761
So you just resort to ignoring all the points I've brought forward. I will take this as you knowing that you're wrong since you've literally run out of arguments.

>>141874750
Nice argument you've got there.
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>>141874804
Thankfully, what you think isn't relevant and changes nothing to the story.
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>>141874856
>Unironically arguing Homura's love is only platonic
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>>141874856
You do know Urobutcher also said in an interview that Homura's love is romantic but doesn't include the sexual aspect of romantic relationships? He also said that Homura is "probably" in love with Madoka. As for Kyousaya, there have been mountains of commentaries coming from sources such as the character designer and the VAs, and even Shinbou himself, talking about the romantic nature of their relationship. I think there's also an Urobutcher interview that I can't find the source of at the moment. Anyhow, you are literally refusing to see that there are blatant yuri implications, and you probably do it because you want to have a reaosn to justify your shipping Kyouko and Mami.
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>>141874856
>Oh ok, people just change everything in one year time with little to no justification

The question was specifically about their relationship in the series. Why would he give away a key plot point (Homura's open love for Madoka) to Rebellion in an interview a year before the release of the movie?
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>>141874750
From where is that Kyouko outfit? I see it lot around but can't find the original.
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>>141875030
I wasn't talking specifically about MadoHomu.
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>>141875007
I think it can be argued that it was just undertones in the series. It's best not to work backward from Rebellion and say "they always loved each other!" Rebellion developed from what happened in the series.
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>>141875007
>sources such as the character designer and the VAs
Those are irrelevant and worth shit, fuck I would even argue that Shinbo opinion is worth shit too.
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>>141875147
The interview was in direct relation to MadoHomu. It had nothing to do with KyouSaya.
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>>141875147
>>141875184
It has never been about undertones. The entire plot is about how Homura is so obsessively in love with Madoka that she goes back in time endlessly just to prevent her from becoming a magical girl. I literally cannot understand how you can see this as just undertones when it's all the plot revolves around. If you want actual undertones, look at Kyousaya, for them there are only implications that Kyouko had one sided feelings for Sayaka.

>>141875201
It's worth more than you think.
>Shinbo
A man that's directly involved with the writing.
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>>141875201
>Implying Urobuchi works in a vacuum

The guy ships MamiCharlotte because he liked the fan art.
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>>141875302
>The guy ships MamiCharlotte
>ships
>implying Mami and Bebe are supposed to be seen as a romantic pair instead of as a mother and a baby
You're refusing to se logic. Next you'll throw around "pandering" in regards to something you disliked about the movie..
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>>141875281
>Homura is so obsessively in love with Madoka that she goes back in time endlessly just to prevent her from becoming a magical girl

Saving the person you love is now an obsessive act?
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>>141875217
So? It tells us what he thinks about relationships in general. How they develop is a different issue.
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>>141874904
Why would they have those lines back to back like that? I think it was foreshadowing that Kyouko was still good despite how she was acting. You can interpret it your way I suppose, but you are losing the deeper meaning.

Whatever the case, I have to go make dinner now, so it was fun talking to you all. Have a cute Kyouko before I go.
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>>141875377
When she goes back in time 100 times which in total makes in around 11 years of repeating the same events just for that one person, then yes, she is obsessively in love- Rebellion was simply the natural progression of those obsessive feelings of love.

I'm not even saying it's a bad thing, that's just how it is.
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>>141875349
I never said it was pandering nor did I say I disliked it. I'm just saying he created the cxharacte because he liked the art on Pixiv.
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>>141875281
>If you want actual undertones, look at Kyousaya, for them there are only implications that Kyouko had one sided feelings for Sayaka.

This is more or less what I'm saying, but thanks for that.
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>>141875377
When she don't want to be saved or need to, yes it is.
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>>141874744
Everytime
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>>141875417
She literally dies if she gives up.
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>>141875403
Please don't encourage him. Just ignore him.
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>>141851717
Yeah, no. The heat death of the universe is so far off we have to express it logarithmically and even then it's hard to grasp just how far away it is.

What are they going to do, murder little girls for elventy gojillion gojillion gojillion years?
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>>141875432
Madoka dies for no reason at the end of every loop. You can't argue against that.
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>>141875403
>one of the most cancerous tripfags is back
Stay gone please
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>>141875464
And what reason does Homura have to care so much about whether Madoka dies or not? A mere friend wouldn't dedicate their entire being to preventing the other girl from dying. That's just not how it works.
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Which girl is 3rd best
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>>141875547
Why
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I hope you guys are reporting crack kun's posts to get them deleted faster.
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>>141875302
For what I remember Urobuchi just thought it was funny, Inucurry came up with the idea and Ume-tentei designed the character, Urobuchi only gave the ok.
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>>141875508
Presumably they only need to extend the lifetime of the universe for long enough that they can find another species with human-like emotions which they can exploit.

>>141875547
Kyoko.
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>>141875608
Obviously.
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It's 2016 and people are still calling Homura's feelings platonic.
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>>141875540
>And what reason does Homura have to care so much about whether Madoka dies or not?

Homura literally dies if she gives up on saving Madoka. Are you asking why Homura should care if Madoka dies? I'm not sure if you're trolling or not.
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>>141875547
Homura
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>>141875678
Implying that Homura cares more about her own life than Madoka's. She's literally willing to die against Walpurgisnacht as long as it means that Madoka doesn't have to contract in order to defeat it.

>Are you asking why Homura should care if Madoka dies?
The question here is, why would Homura go to such great lengths for Madoka? If the feelings were merely platonic I wouldn't imagine anyone, in the history of ever, going through the same struggles that Homura did just for Madoka's sake.
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>>141875735
Horrible art.
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>>141874189
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>>141874103
If you consider Wraith arc to be canon in any way then it also shows that Kyouko had feelings for Sayaka in the new world, and she gave some sort of confession right before Sayaka was taken away by the LoC
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>>141875528
Post more Kyouko and Mami sharing food.
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>>141875938
I only have the one. Most unfortunate.
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>>141875776
>She's literally willing to die against Walpurgisnacht as long as it means that Madoka doesn't have to contract in order to defeat it.
Shed have to win first. She never has.

>The question here is, why would Homura go to such great lengths for Madoka?

I'm pretty fucking sure she never expected to spend 12 years going back in time to save her friend. I'm not saying she isn't in love with her. I'm saying I have a problem with your use of the word obsessive because your initial statement was that the story is about Homura's obsessive mission to save Madoka, at least in series.
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>>141875938
>goes out of her way to style her hair down in front
>grilling over open flame
>Mami completely okay with this

Do you want to catch on fire?
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>>141876076
Kyouko is not that much of a retard, anon.
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>>141876039
>Shed have to win first. She never has.
Doesnt take away from Homura's intention to fight Walpurgisnacht where the outcome of it could mean her own death as long as Madoka gets to live.

And not even the fact that she went through 12 years of repeating the same event for Madoka, there's also Homura selling her soul to the devil because a girl she had only known for just a month had died. She knew the dangers of what it meant to become a magical girl, and all that didn't matter to her, because a girl she barely knew, died. Maybe her love wasn't bordering on obsessive "back then" but it definitely became something bordering on obsession throughout all those timelines. This, which is emphasised when she's literally willing to bring an end to Sayaka's life just because Sayaka despairing causes so much harm to Madoka.
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>>141876195
>Homura selling her soul to the devil because a girl she had only known for just a month had died. She knew the dangers of what it meant to become a magical girl, and all that didn't matter to her, because a girl she barely knew, died.

What fucking show did you watch? She didn't know Kyubey was secretly working against them, she didn't know witches werd magical girls, and she didn't know her going back in time made Madoka's fate worse. There was nothinh wrong about her wish. She assumed they could beat Walpurgisnach next timeline and until Madoka told her to go back in time and stop her from becoming meguca before having to kill her, Homura had no problem with Madoka contracting.

>This, which is emphasised when she's literally willing to bring an end to Sayaka's life just because Sayaka despairing causes so much harm to Madoka.

She tried to save Sayaka first. She was rebuffed and after Sayaka decided to mouth off to her, she decided to kill her. She ended up dying 10 minutes later anyways and became a witch that did cause Madoka suffering and ended up killing Kyouko. Sayaka was always the weak link and had no business becoming meguca and always made things worse Timeline 3 was pretty fucking blatant about that. After timeline 4, Madoka would literally destroy the world if she contracted.
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>>141876569
cont.

Even with all the bad shit she did, Madoka embraced her and THANKED her for it.
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>>141876726
Into the trash it goes.
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>>141876569
That's why I said that Homura knew of the dangers of becoming a magical girl, and didn't care about any of that because a girl she barely even knew had died. That's quite literally the equivalent of committing suicide. Tell me, what's so normal about committing suicide over a girl you barely knew for not even a month? Homura was abnormal from the get-go.

>There was nothinh wrong about her wish
There is nothing wrong in wanting to save someone's life. And that's not even what's being argued about here.

>She tried to save Sayaka first
And after that she listed her intentions as to why she even tried to save Sayaka, and it definitely wasn't for Sayaka's sake. The very fact that she had no qualms over killing Sayaka because "she was making Madoka suffer" shows how much of her humanity has already left her, and she is STILL not willing to give up.

>she ended up dying 10 minutes later
Allow me to correct you on this one. She went missing for a whole week until Kyouko found her sitting at a bus stop.

>ended up killing Kyouko
Kyouko chose to be killed. She had the option to ask Homura for help, but she refused. Instead of that she asked Homura to leave.

>Sayaka was always the weak link
Still doesn't take away from the point I've been trying to make from the very beginning. Even Homura points out to the viewers that she doesn't consider herself to be a human no longer.
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>>141876798
I just want more Yuma. We already had a serviceable meguca loli, no need to invent Nagisa.
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>>141876195
>Homura doesn't try to save Madoka
>Madoka dies
>Homura kills herself
>Witches continue to exist because Madoka never got the power to make her wish
>Muh toxic obsession meme

Kill yourself Tumblr
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>>141876626
!Akemi is never wrong. His mission in life is ruining threads and anger anons. And he is a master at what he does
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>>141876937
Nice argument you've got there. You sure showed me.

You know where it does actually turn into something toxic? In Rebellion.
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>>141876952
I'm just going to make negative comments to every crack image you spam.

Utter trash.
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>>141876914
Is pretty sad that Yuma is also a better character that retard cheese.
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>>141876883
>She went missing for a whole week until Kyouko found her sitting at a bus stop.That was the same night in the same episode. Kyouko found her after confrontation with Homura.

The problem is your viewing the series in a way it wasn't meant to be viewed due to your preconcieved views on a character.
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>>141876626
Or he could start talking about his raving hardon , did you ever consider that possibility?
Oh wai-
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>>141877063
Who is Yuma?
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>>141877063
Awful English.
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>>141877109
It's the name Kyouko's daughter in Mami's Everyday Life spinoff.
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>>141877043
Shit
>>141877147
That's not even where the character originally debut.
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>>141876937
>>141876985

Homura is obsessed, no matter how you splice it. When you're single minded to that extent, it's an obsession. Toxic is stretching it. Really, Homura's devotion has caused more harm to herself than to anyone else.
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>>141877088
The problem here is that you are unaware of commentaries that have been made about the episodes in which it is confirmed that Sayaka wandered around for a whole week until she turned up sitting at a bus stop.
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good night thread
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>>141877227
Who're you?
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>>141877063
Would be nice to see their interaction animated. We'd get more family fanart of them.
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>>141877239
Someone who was named woxx by ack.
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>>141877213
Glad you finally agree with me.

Homura's obsession turned into something toxic the moment she decided to rob Madoka of her godly powers. Hell, even the scene in question Homura is scene smirking evily, making a commentary on how she "finally" captured Madoka. The scene is presented in such a way to show the viewers that there's everything wrong with what Homura's doing. Even her entire reason for doing so is an incredibly twisted kind of love.

I know Homura has no bad intentions, and that she wants Madoka to live a normal life together with her friends and fmaily, but she quite literally screwed over Madoka's wish. She thinks that she ha an authority on how Madoka should live her life, hence why she's trying to make her believe that everything is alright and that the "god" Madoka isn't the real Madoka.
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>>141876985
>You know where it does actually turn into something toxic? In Rebellion.

I think few would seriously argue she did nothing wrong, but the entire film goes out if it's way to make her sympathetic and justify her decision based on the information she received in her labryinth. She already assumes Madoka hates her.
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>>141877289
Oh i see
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>>141877338
I'm done with you long ago.
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>>141877371
>I think few would seriously argue she did nothing wrong
I'm convinced that those claiming she did nothing wrong are just being ironic. As someone who loves Homura I can't even begin to comprehend how anyone can appreciate her character while ignoring the fact that she has her flaws.

> but the entire film goes out if it's way to make her sympathetic
Agreed. It depicts homura as something pitiable, which she is for 100%.

>and justify her decision based on the information she received in her labryinth
Disagree on this one. The conversation that happened on the flower bed scene shouldn't even be taken as justification for what Homura did since she was talking to a Madoka that didn't have her memories of the sacrifice she made for the sake of all the magical girls in existence. And when Madoka does get her memories back for a little while, the first thing she does is think of how she has a duty to fulfill .And not just that, you know what also proves that the movie doesn't "go out of its way to justify Homura's actions" Pic related and Homura saying that she's willing to fight Madoka and the others if it means that she can keep wishing for Madoka to be happy. That is Homura presenting herself as an antagonist, nothing justifiable about that.
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>>141876439
Oh anti-crack-kun, will it ever stop? I have been praying for you, you know? Have you felt it? Have they helped you at all?

Please get better soon. I'd like to see you become a friend. Then we can all have fun together.
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>>141877361
>she quite literally screwed over Madoka's wish.

Yet the series ends with Homura's wish ungranted In the same way Madoka screw over Homura's wish. But I guess it's okay when that happens. Don't you care about Homura's wish in the same way you pretend to care about Madoka's wish? Or do you just like shittjng on Homura?

>She thinks that she ha an authority on how Madoka should live her life, hence why she's trying to make her believe that everything is alright and that the "god" Madoka isn't the real Madoka.

Okay, now you're stretching it. She doesn't want Madoka to die or be seperated from her family. Are you going to tell me that Madoka would chose to die or make a wish if she didn't have to? If Homura hadn't constantly lost, Madoka would have never made her wish. If Madoka didn't make her wish, she would never have to leave her family.
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>>141877743
God doesn't exist you silly.
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>>141877743
Whenever you're around, shit isn't going well around here.
Same goes for all your other personas.
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>>141877361
Third party; I wasn't in the discussion about Homura's love until that point.

The problem with writing off Homura's decision to betray Madoka is that beyond good intentions, she had very a very pragmatic reason for doing so. The Incubator threat. Even though they were defeated in that moment, there's no reason they couldn't have learned from their mistakes and tried again.

And, if you want to argue from an idealistic standpoint, what did Madoka have any more right to godhood than Homura? Let's not forget that Madoka's wish (inadvertently and unintentionally) completely screwed over Homura's, and robbed her of her reason to live.

And finally, the fact that Homura is aware that she's wronged Madoka in some form is the reason she breaks off her relationship with Madoka. She goes to the lengths of playing up the act of being the devil because of her awareness, not because she's evil. She saw it as a necessary cruelty for the sake of kindness, but still hates herself for having to do it.
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>>141877743
>praying
Trannies will go to hell
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>>141877636
>And not just that, you know what also proves that the movie doesn't "go out of its way to justify Homura's actions"

Madoka did the same exact thing at the end of the series. She broke the rules and even stated in her wish that all rules and laws that stand against her wish would have to be destroyed or reformed. To say the conversation in the labrinyth can't be trusted because Madoka is robbed of her memories means this conversation is just as invalid.

Madoka wanted all the wishes of magical girls to come true. Homura is a magical girl. Her wish to redo time and ne strong enough to protect Madoka did not come true. Madoka's words here cant be taken for shit here because her wish broke the laws of the universe and her desire is to see the wishes of all magical girls granted.
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>>141864023
For me it is all simple.

-When a girl turns into mahou shoujo this proces releases energy, a small portion of it is used to fulfill a wish and the rest is taken by Kyuubey, this is the first "phase change"
-When magical girl changes into a witch it releases even more energy, taht is why letting them become witches is the most effective form of getting energy, this is the second phase change
-You cant reverse any of these 2 processes unless you add energy, for example if a girl has enough potential energy so when she becomes a magical girl her wish has enough power to potentially reverse some other mahou shoujo transformation or maybe even reverse the process of becoming a witch.
-Some of witch's energy is left in the seed so when you kill a witch you can replenish your energy with grief seed
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>>141877744
>Yet the series ends with Homura's wish ungranted In the same way Madoka screw over Homura's wish
See, this is where you're wrong. Homura made a wish for one person alone, and Madoka even mentions that she wants Homura to stop suffering for her sake. Sure, Madoka makes her wish for the sake of all the magical girls in existence, but part of her reasoning was also to relief Homura of her "duty" to save her. And if Rebellion never happened, then Homura would have been content just that way, she says that she was willing to fight for the world that Madoka created. That was a beautiful ending, and then we got the shit that heppend in Rebellion, though I suppose that is a turn that Homura was expected to take.

>She doesn't want Madoka to die or be seperated from her family
This is true. She doesn't want Madoka to die or be separated from her family, but she also thinks that she has all he right in deciding what Madoka wants for herseld. Madoka's entire development was about how she was able to leave everything behind, including her own existence in the material world, for the sake of all the magical girls. Such a tremendous development of character, that was screwed over by Homura deciding that Madoka shouldn't have to do that. And you know also what happened? That witches came back because Homura decided to steal the power of the LoC, hence rendering Madoka's wish completely and utterly useless.
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>>141877636
>I'm convinced that those claiming she did nothing wrong are just being ironic.
For every person who says this ironically, there's another that actually believes it. I, too, love Homura all the greater for her flaws and shortcomings.

As for the flower field scene, it is a partial justification. Homura's reasons are pretty complex considering everything that led up to her decision. Madoka would rather live a happy life than exist as a concept, but she felt that she didn't have an alternative, so she chose the latter. Homura rewrites the universe so that Madoka's sacrifice is unnecessary. As for pic related, that's just being pragmatic in order to uphold her new universe. If she can't maintain it, then what was the point of establishing it?
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>>141877898
>Even though they were defeated in that moment, there's no reason they couldn't have learned from their mistakes and tried again.
That also being part of the reasoning, however that doesn't take away from the fact that the primary reason for capturing Madoka was that she wanted Madoka to be alive again.

>what did Madoka have any more right to godhood than Homura? Let's not forget that Madoka's wish (inadvertently and unintentionally) completely screwed over Homura's, and robbed her of her reason to live.
See the my previous post>>141878151 I already explained in detail why this and that aren't the same.

>And finally, the fact that Homura is aware that she's wronged Madoka in some form is the reason she breaks off her relationship with Madoka
I might have agreed if the concept movie trailer didn't show Homura teaching Madoka how to dance ballet. Unless that's meant to be entirely symbolic.
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>>141878151
>Homura made a wish for one person alone, and Madoka even mentions that she wants Homura to stop suffering for her sake.

That never happened and doesn't change Homura's wish. Homura can't be freed from from her contract just because Madoka says to stop.

>part of her reasoning was also to relief Homura

Urobuchi says Madoka's wish has nothing to do with Homura. It was for all the magical girls across time and space. She didn't realize Homura's dedication or suffering until after the wish was made.

>If Rebellion never happened

We wouldn't be having this conversation so that point it moot.

> That was a beautiful ending, and then we got the shit that heppend in Rebellion, though I suppose that is a turn that Homura was expected to take.

It's an incomplete ending that didn't address that plot hole of Homura's wish never being granted.
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>>141878151
The problem is that she doesn't relieve Homura of her burden at all. In fact, Homura feels indebted and outright guilty, so she tries at first to "honor her memory" but ultimately concludes that it was Homura's own shortcomings that forced Madoka to make her wish. Her reason to live was "protect Madoka's happiness" and she was unable to do that when Madoka existed as a concept. Being robbed of her reason to live was a major inciting factor in her decision.

On top of that, although it's not necessarily for their own sake, the movie explicitly shows that Homura goes out of her way to make the other magical girls' lives more comfortable. Sure, her goal is entirely focused on Madoka, but from a pragmatic standpoint, she's helped everyone.
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>>141878182
I'm dubious of the concept trailer since there's very little information we can take as canon from it, and I'm arguing only from what has been released. That Homura gives back Madoka's ribbons and declares that they'll be enemies, and ends up sitting on a hill alone, is explicitly demonstrating that she's forsaken her own desire for Madoka's company in order to uphold Madoka's happiness.
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>>141878011
Madoka especifically mentions that she thinks it's bad to break the rules "because you feel like it". That's entriely different from breaking the rules because you realize that that's the only way to save the souls of the magical girls.

>To say the conversation in the labrinyth can't be trusted because Madoka is robbed of her memories means this conversation is just as invalid.
It isn't. The point of this scene is to show that the god Madoka is starting to slip through the creaks. The point of this scene is to show that Homura is in the wrong and that Madoka will eventually regain her powers and her memories.

>Madoka wanted all the wishes of magical girls to come true
This is true. What is too bad is that Homura's wish required for Madoka to stay and for the souls of the mgical girls to be obliterated. If you weight out one thing against the other (Homura's wish to save Madoka vs. Madoka being the only one with enough karmic power to make a wish on the scale as the one she made) then it's obvious that the latter wins out.

>it is a partial justification
No it actually is not. The flower bed scene Madoka vs. the Madoka in the final episode of the series is like comparing the indecisive Madoka from the first few episodes to the fully developed Madoka that was willing to selflessly sacrifice her life for a greater good.

>Homura rewrites the universe so that Madoka's sacrifice is unnecessary
This is also where it goes wrong. Because Homur rewriting the universe doesn't make the wraiths go away, it is also implied that witches have come back into existence (which is logical since there isn't a LoC that takes them away) so no, Homura rewriting the universe didn't make Madoka's sacrifice unnecessary, it only made it more difficult for Madoka.
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>>141878461
For all we know, the ballet happens at the end and they reconcile, considering the lack of her earrings, new soul gem, and red ribbon tied across her chest. It's creepy and mildly erotic out of context, which is why they used it.
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>>141878532
You missed my point. My point is that, yes, Madoka was willing to sacrifice herself, but only because she had no better alternative.

Homura pretty explicitly says that she'd deal with all the wraiths herself (relieving the burden off of the magical girls) and implies that she uses Kyubey to that end. That being said, if witches do indeed return in the new project, I'll probably end up eating my words, because I've been arguing from the standpoint that Homura created a better world than Madoka's world. This was a deliberately ambiguous of Rebellion's ending.
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>>141878351
>That never happened
It does, it happens in the last conversation they had.

>Homura can't be freed from from her contract just because Madoka says to stop
Except that she does get freed. If it is any indication, she even has a different power in the new world because she didn't contract to save Madoka.

>Urobuchi says Madoka's wish has nothing to do with Homura
I would like to have a source on this. And if this is true then I can't comprehend why a scene like pic related exists.

>It's an incomplete ending that didn't address that plot hole of Homura's wish never being granted.
It showed that Homura was content enough with what happened. Even the final shot is how Homura keeps on fighting because Madoka is watching her no matter what. That was her character development. That was how her character was supposed to be rounded off. It made perfect sense.

>The problem is that she doesn't relieve Homura of her burden at all
By undoing the contract that she made, she already relieved Homura of her burden. Since the whole point is for the only way for Madoka to survive is to keep going back in time until Madoka lives and she doesn't have to go back in time for it anymore. And Homura has no indication, no reason to believe that Madoka's happinness doesn't lie in the fact that she can be the savior of all the magical girls in existence.

>On top of that, although it's not necessarily for their own sake, the movie explicitly shows that Homura goes out of her way to make the other magical girls' lives more comfortable. Sure, her goal is entirely focused on Madoka, but from a pragmatic standpoint, she's helped everyone.
And I'm not even disagreeing with this.
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>>141878351
>She didn't realize Homura's dedication or suffering until after the wish was made.
Again, she was aware that Homura sacrificed a lot for her sake.
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I felt pretty bad for Homura though.

To latch onto the purest being she cast her eyes upon and suffer endless time loops just for the eventual chance of finding peace, and then what?
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>>141878845
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>>141878532
>Breaking rules because you feel like it

Madoka broke a rule because she felt like it. While it was out of good intentions (as Homura's was), it's STILL breaking the entire foundation of the universe because it made her sad to see little girls despair as they had been for millenia.

>The point of this scene is to show that the god Madoka is starting to slip through the creaks. The point of this scene is to show that Homura is in the wrong and that Madoka will eventually regain her powers and her memories.

She had her mind wiped prior to asking tbe question. Her eyes were pink, which means it wasn't Madokami answering. I'm not saying Madoka isn't going to be mad, but Madoka with her memories would also try to understand Homura's reason if given a chance.

>It's not

Except it was. Homura explicitly says that she knows Mado can make the wish, but doesn't believe she should have to.

>This is true. What is too bad is that Homura's wish required for Madoka to stay and for the souls of the mgical girls to be obliterated. If you weight out one thing against the other (Homura's wish to save Madoka vs. Madoka being the only one with enough karmic power to make a wish on the scale as the one she made) then it's obvious that the latter wins out.

And Madoka will have to find a way to reconcile that because it's her own desire.

>Because Homur rewriting the universe doesn't make the wraiths go away, it is also implied that witches have come back into existence (which is logical since there isn't a LoC that takes them away) so no, Homura rewriting the universe didn't make Madoka's sacrifice unnecessary, it only made it more difficult for Madoka.

Homura states the LoC is still there and the production note says she controls it with Madoka's power. While I agree it isn't functioning properly due to the wording of her wish, Homura doesn't know this at this point in time.
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>>141878697
>because I've been arguing from the standpoint that Homura created a better world than Madoka's world. This was a deliberately ambiguous of Rebellion's ending.
I assume that witches still exist because, for one, there isn't a LoC that takes the souls away before they turn into witches, so if magical girls are still a thing, then so are witches. As well as the fact that Sayaka's witch makes an appearance despite the fact that she is neither dead nor in the labyrinth.
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>>141878901
She did it to herself. She could've moved on, but chose not to.
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>>141879095

She lived a teenagers lie, and at some point, she had to delude herself in order to not break mentally.
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>>141878845
>Except that she does get freed. If it is any indication, she even has a different power in the new world because she didn't contract to save Madoka.

She states in Rebellion that her wish was the same as it always had been. That is why it's a plot hole. Your headcanon is wrong here.

>I would like to have a source on this. And if this is true then I can't comprehend why a scene like pic related exists

It's in the commentary for E12. She doesn't fully comprehend Homura's suffering until she attains godhood and Homura is screaming the entire time it's happening in episode 12. Her last interaction with Madoka is a blood curdling scream.

>Even the final shot is how Homura keeps on fighting because Madoka is watching her no matter what. That was her character development. That was how her character was supposed to be rounded off. It made perfect sense.

We don't know what happened in that intervening timeframe. Wraith Arc makes it seem miserable and Homura states it was like a nightmare in the flower field in Rebellion. You can't go 12 years through that without developing a sense of guilt and self hate. The series is in the past and Rebellion is the canon.
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>>141879095
How? Your acting like 12 years of suffering and death only to fail is something people just "move on" from.
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>>141878845
We're made to believe that Homura accepts the new world, and in fact she tries to, but it's show in Rebellion that she cannot. See Wraith Arc. Even if you take the series of events as non-canon, it gives more perspective on Homura's line of reasoning than Rebellion does.

>>141879080
I've also been assuming that Homura has at least made magical girls forget about their powers, and since she's dealing with Wraiths herself, she can presumably prevent magical girls' soul gems from accumulating corruption (especially since they're not actively using magic), effectively preemptively preventing witch transformations. Of course, the concept movie shows magical girls using their power, so I take it to mean that the "equilibrium" of Homura's world has been disrupted in some form.
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>>141879028
>Madoka broke a rule because she felt like it
See, "feeling like it" is implying that it happened on a whim, and that there isn't any kind of justification behind it. That's the opposite of what Madoka did.

>because it made her sad to see little girls despair as they had been for millenia.
You're making it sound as if this is something with no significance. As if the souls of girls that sacrifice themselves for the universe's sake means nothing.

>She had her mind wiped prior to asking tbe question.
The question happened right after her Madokami side came out
>I-I do treasure this world!
Madoka is indeed happy to be back with her family and friends
>but I do think that it's kind of bad to break the rules just because you feel like it
Madoka disagrees with what Homura did. And I already explained above why Madoka disagreeing with this doesn't make her a hypocrite.

>Except it was. Homura explicitly says that she knows Mado can make the wish, but doesn't believe she should have to.
It wasn't, because Madoka has absolutely no recollection of who she was before the thing in the labyrinth. Unlike the situation above that was triggered right after a scene where she starts to remember what she was.

>Homura states the LoC is still there and the production note says she controls it with Madoka's power
I wish this kind of important info would be included in the movie and not require for the viewers to go to lengths to be able to find out about this.

Also this is where I leave off for today, I will continue this discussion in the next thread tomorrow.
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>>141879529
>See Wraith Arc
Wraith Arc has everyone completely out of character. Let's point out the things that are wrong with it
>Homura acting bitchy towards Mami and Kyouko
>Homura allowing herself to be seduced by Madoka's wraith
>Mami being over the death of her parents and not feeling lonely
>Kyouko being jealous that she isn't Sayaka's special friend
>Sayaka and Kyouko both treating Mami like trash
>Kyouko doing nothing after seeing Sayaka's blackening soul gem
>Hitomi and Kyousuke aren't dating, proven wrong in Rebellion
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>>141879421
12 years? I'm talking about the very first timeline.
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>>141879844
>because she's been a loner for a very long time and never really fostered a well-developed relationship with them
>which may or may not have been a projection of her own feelings
>irrelevant to Homura's own actions
>see above
>see above
>see above
>see above

I could argue a bit over some of those things but that's not the point of discussion. Moreover, you missed my point:

>Even if you take the series of events as non-canon, it gives more perspective on Homura's line of reasoning than Rebellion does.
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>>141880238
The thing is that Homura, despite of what the majority of the people think, does give a shit about the other girls, even Sayaka. The point is that it is completely out of character for Homura to act so coldly towards them.
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>>141880135
Because she exhibited signs of major depression even before she developed a relationship with Madoka; she hated herself and had no reason to live. She took Madoka's words of "becoming cool like your name" to heart and found a purpose from her desire to become like Madoka. And if she had that chance right in front of her via wish, why the hell should she not take it? Especially since she didn't know the dark truths of the contract. Even if she did move on without either killing herself or resigning to an en empty life, she'd have been so emotionally vulnerable that a witch would have picked her off in a heartbeat.
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>>141880330
I did not say she doesn't care at all, I said that she doesn't have a well-developed relationship with them. She brushes them off because she doesn't want to involve them in her own struggles. Even despite her caring, she's been a loner.
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>>141879705
>See, "feeling like it" is implying that it happened on a whim, and that there isn't any kind of justification behind it.
>Implying Homura made her decision on a whim with no justification

>As if the souls of girls that sacrifice themselves for the universe's sake means nothing.

The statement was about breaking rules. Madoka broke a rule that had been in place for millenia without regard to the state of the universe because how she perosnally felt about magical girls.

>Madoka disagrees with what Homura did. And I already explained above why Madoka disagreeing with this doesn't make her a hypocrite.

Not wanting Homura's wish to come true and taking away the ability for Homura to do that does make her a hypocrite. She can disagree with it, but she herself wanted all wishes to come true. Just because you "explained" doesn't mean your explanation is viable.

>The question happened right after her Madokami side came out

It happened right after Homura subdued her god powers.

>It wasn't

All Homura took from that was she would never leave her friends and family. Homura took this to mean she only made that wish because she couldn't protect her. She even states that Madoka is strong and courageous enough to make that wish everytime before she leaves.

>Wish this information was stated

It was. Homura states that the LoC is still there and functioning. Now I do think tbe LoC has problems because otherwise there would be no reason for a conflict, but it's still functional to an extent.
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>>141880135
Why exactly is it a bad thing to want to go back to save someone's life?
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>>141880238
The problem is these are a huge neuttering of the characters. Homura tried to find a new lease on life at the end of the series, yet she immediately goes bitch mode to everyone.

To say the other character actions are irrelevent is basically saying they can act as out of character as posssible because they arent the focus.
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>>141879844
>Hitomi and Kyousuke aren't dating, proven wrong in Rebellion

Fuck, proven wrong in episode 12. It makes Sayaka's death completely unnecessary.
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>>141880851
She doesn't go "bitch mode," she brushes them off because she's asocial as hell and is more focused on her own objectives and feelings, because she has her own problems to deal with.

I'm saying they're irrelevant to the current discussion at hand: that is, Homura's justification for taking over the universe.
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>>141880587
Why is it so wrong to move on? People die all the time.
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>>141881137
Do you not understand the concept of holding onto a reason to live?
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>>141880936
Anon mentioned Wraith Arc, you discussed Wraith Arc, so I brought up Wraith Arc. She doesn't trust Mami and Kyouko, but when Madowraith shows up she instantly believes some bullshit about helping her stop a giant wraith. "Homura trusts it because it has Madoka's face!" is literally doujinshi level because Homura is not that fucking stupid. Homura's justification for overtaking the universe was clear. It isn't a great one,mbut it's what she did. She had good intentions, but like every other wish in the series, it backfired on her. I'm personally nit going to hold it against her necause she has 12 years of tragedy behind her and I think the ball is in Madoka court in what to do about it. The ending is purposefully ambiguous. The short term consequences are not bad and really the worst thing we see is Sayaka being her usual self and Madoka stating she's not going to be chill woth everything. For the time being though Madoka is pic related. The long term consequeces are far more ominous. Homura's mental instability is not good for the universe, Madoka and Homura might end up eternal enemies, and witches are probably back in some form.

I think most people get that. The thing actually being discussed is some anon comes through and dresses Homura up as some evil selfish bitch with no motivation beyond wanting to controll Madoka's life and that it's her own fault for wanting to save someone she loved. She's just as much the hero of this story as Madoka and she's convinced herself that she's the shittiest being in existence.
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So wraith arc goes into the not canon?
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>>141881137
>This edge
You are either a troll or 14 years old. Given the oppurtunity to save someone special to you is an oppurtunity that anyone would take.
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>>141881626
It explains some stuff like why Homura forgot about Madoka and hints Madoka's universe suffers from inbalance (setting up for the necessity of duality I guess) but you don't really need it. It's trying to hard to connect some stuff, like Homura now aving the ability to rewrite memories. This felt unnecessary because I think it could just be inferred that the witches wards were already capable of doing that and by extension it shoukd be possible for a demon.
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>>141881549
She doesn't trust the Madoka wraith; she explicitly says that the only reason she's going along with what the wraith is saying is because she literally has no other leads to follow in how to get her powers back. That's perfectly pragmatic. On top of that, the wraith is basically feeding into the doubts Homura already has about herself-- Homura previously brought up the possibility that she may have used memory manipulation on herself. It's also entirely possible that the wraith is not actually acting on it's own agenda, but rather a manifestation of Homura's own feelings (unconfirmed, since the manga is still in progress).

The problem with one of the anons is that they weren't grasping why Homura could not accept Madoka's world. I'm fine with discussing Wraith Arc on the side, though, but this thread is at the bump limit.
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>>141881678
She knew her for less than a month.
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>>141881972
And was literally the only person with whom she had a meaningful relationship.
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>>141882200
Go play in traffic, ACK.
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>>141882039
I should probably go ahead and say that I like Homura a lot as a character, flaws and all. I think the fact that she latched onto Madoka so easily is one of the things that makes her interesting to watch.

But, I'll go back to what I said at the very beginning. She could have chosen to move on and didn't. That choice is what created all the timelines and all the suffering. Not to mention how every timeline gets progressively worse. She could easily have gone on with her life. Nothing was stopping her. And really, it being a meaningful relationship isn't that much of a factor. Meaningful relationships end all the time, failure to move on is a flaw on the part of the individual, but is not always a indication that action has to be taken.

I'm not saying she should have been written differently, just that that choice was available to her and she ended up doing the opposite. Paying the price for all that is entirely her fault.
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Please don't encourage him.
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