Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1540

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Make 櫻さま proud...

Is there an easy way to tell when a kanji is read with the on or kun reading, or is it completely random and you have to know the vocab?

おそっ

>>141505510
Kanji study is useless just pick up the vocab

>>141505367
This image is shit and boring. Why have you greyed-scaled it all? It looks awful.

If you're not going to use the default image then at least use a decent one. I'm not even objecting to the use of Sakura, I'm objecting to the shit aesthetics of this specific picture.

>>141505622
Contact Sakura-chan to make a better triggering image if you don't like it.

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Any of you guys got a penpal and if some how did you manage to get one, I want practice speaking Japanese.

>>141505639
Use hellotalk it's much easier

>>141505639
I just speak to anime. It's a good way to learn.

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Friendly Reminder

How to tell if something is a shitpost:
>calls the community made guide/whatever method a piece of shit with no reasoning given why
>insults someone giving helpful advice with no reasoning given why
>attempts to create arguments over virtually nothing (eg opinions without facts)
>"spam questions" that are easily answered via a 1 second glance at the guide
>uses obtuse Japanese fragments interspersed with English to attempt bypass people trying to filter the shitposts
>any mention of anime being shit, or "real Japanese"
>spells the word as romanji

>>141505656
>hellotalk
Is that the "HelloTalk - Learn Languages Free on Google Play"?

I assume it is just like LINE? Have you personally used it? how useful did you find it?

>>141505715
His active time is also usually from 6am GMT to 5pm GMT if anyone wants to just avoid the thread while he's sperging about

>>141505715
>that detail
Well. I think アニメ is art now.

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>>141505510
Flawed method: compounds use the on reading, when its on its own it uses the kun reading

できる method: study hard boya

>>141505735
He's a neet faggot, so it isn't really guaranteed.

>>141505761
Past two days it's been that at least, I think he tires himself out pretty quickly considering he doesn't do anything but monitor this thread every second on the day, but yeah it probably is unreliable

>>141505735
You must be pretty new.
>>141505761
aka living the anime life.

>>141505715
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>>141505761
>being this obsessed with anime man
What's your objective now that you have trapped everyone in your charm?

>>141505734
I have used it a bit, but I got pretty bored of it, it's pretty much what you'd expect just chatting one on one with a bunch of normies, usually women

It is really useful and has a fuck ton of users, when I used it I just made an account, didn't even have a description on it and still just got people adding me constantly

Can't really think of any easier way to practice production, check it out

>>141505866
I don't really know if I actually want to do it, my image of talking to Japanese people is that they don't really teach you anything and won't correct you if you say the wrong thing.

I just can't think of any other way that doesn't cost money to practice speaking.

I have about 75% correct after doing reviews and 30 new cards a day. Is this ok or too bad

>>141506015
normal

>>141506000
Yeah I thought the same thing when I was using it, Japanese women are far too overly nice, they'll say your Japanese is amazing no matter how shit it is

But I think even with that it's still beneficial just to practice, you get naturally better from the exposure anyway, up to you

>>141506015
It's all right.

>>141506064
>Japanese women are far too overly nice, they'll say your Japanese is amazing no matter how shit it is
can't you encourage them to point out mistakes or something
dont they care even then? they're basically talking to chaika

>>141505866
>normies

>>141506084
Most people found Chaika endearing.

Anyone mind posting that one pastebin explaining how to set up a text hooker in your browser? I couldn't find it in the guide

>>141506084
I guess it depends who you talk to, I said that to a few of the people I spoke to but they never seemed to keep it up, but to be fair I never tended to correct their English either, always just felt kind of rude

If you want something where you'll have accurate corrections all the time you can try out Lang8 , people are really serious on there and will correct everything you say, but it's harder to think of shit to write about imo because it's like a blog kinda deal as opposed to one on one convos

>>141506169
SHOCKING TRUTH

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Is there any way to do vertical text properly in Anki? You can cheat by setting the div width to the width of your font, but that fucks up when you get a card with 拗音 (see top of pic).

I did some googling and there is a CSS option for vertical text (-webkit-writing-mode: vertical-rl;), but it doesn't seem to work correctly in Anki. The glyphs are supposed to be vertical when using this option (see middle of pic), but Anki actually rotates them sideways (see bottom of pic).

>>141506190
But I don't want to learn Japanese, I want to learn to read raw VN

Don't get between me any my shit taste

>>141506203
Not even joking, I saw that coming word for word

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>>141506230
there's another CSS option, one of the two between them is old or nonstandard

try the one you didn't try yet

>>141506304
Are you referring to tb-rl? If so, that does absolutely nothing.

>>141506267
Despite how enlightening the phrase "Anime is shit." is, I'd still like to learn how to set up my text hooker properly

>>141506327
>>141506342 is not me

>>141506342
That doesn't do anything either, though I guess you are just a shitposter judging from >>141506370

>>141506404
Yes, it's just a shitposter.

I went looking and what I was thinking about was text-orientation.

>all these people helping sakurafag shitpost
Why?

>>141506465
Learn about post timers.

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Should I read Zaregoto?

Back in my EOP days I've read the first two volumes, but now I'd of course go for the entire series in Japanese.

But damn the books are long. I check out volume 1 in Book Off and could read it 100% fine (why do people say Nisio is hard?), but the page count is challenging.

>>141506480
Long books are good books. Reading is good. Read as much as you can. Then read even more.

>>141506483
He's apparently not on windows or is using nonstandard text rendering so "works for me" doesn't really matter.

>>141506498
I'm mainly debating if Zaregoto is worth the time investment when I could use the time to read several different one-volume books instead.

>>141506260
this webm makes me wonder. Do you know of have any good YTPs that use current anime as source material.

>>141506515
>>141506483
Wait, so that CSS works fine on the Windows version of Anki?

Please screenshot for proofs.

Also, when you say
>I don't know then. It worked for me.
Which CSS option are you referring to specifically?

>>141505510
Usually compounds use the on reading, but on some occasions, there are compounds made up of kun readings.
I think there are some exceptions for lone kanji too, but none come to mind atm.

Get enough vocab/exposure in you and you'll be able to feel them out.

>>141505547
Not useless; especially if you're set on reading rather than listening. Vocab and the rest falls into place if you're flexible and attentive.

>>141505639
Follow someone you're interested in on twitter and commend their work or something.

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>>141506594
>Wait, so that CSS works fine on the Windows version of Anki?
I don't know if it does, I was just responding to something he said.

>Also, when you say
>>I don't know then. It worked for me.

I didn't test the option he posted (rb-rl)

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>>141506545
What kind of logic is that? And it's a good LN.

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>>141506680
どうしてアコちゃんがこんなに可愛いですか?

>>141506767
>What kind of logic is that?

Perhaps not an immediately obvious one, but reading mostly one volume LNs allows me to swtich between various authors with various styles and topics and feel the feeling of accomplished accompanying finishing a book more often.

If I decided to read Zaregoto, I'd end up Nisio'd for a long time.

>>141506831
Don't read Zaregoto then.

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>>141506765
できない。

>>141506828
一流の主婦ですから
Rusianの野郎、裏山氏

Thank you very much meido-san.

Thanks janitor/mod

happening?

>>141506831
You don't have to read the series in one go you know. And whether it's worth the time investment depends on if you want to read it or something else more, pretty simple.

Anyways, what are some of those one volume LNs? I'm curious, since I'm only really familiar with the serialized ones.

>>141506863
But I kinda want to. I'm just not sure I'd keep wanting all the time it would take to read them.

Also I'm not sure if I should skip volumes 1 and 2 since I already EOP'd them few years back.

I'm watching horrible's release of Mayoiga ep 7 and, at 18:37, one of the characters seems to say「女性べしはつげんね。」 (TL'd as "Talk about misogyny.")
What does the べし part mean?
The best I could dig up was it possibly being a form of へす, meaning 'to push/dent/press'.

>>141506913
>Anyways, what are some of those one volume LNs?

Gagaga Bunko has plently of those. Seikaisha Fictions too.

For starters you can read 田中ロミオ's LNs. You'll see that there's a reason why people say he's on a level above others. Especially if you read a book of his after reading some standard LN written by some whoever.

唐辺葉介 also has several one-volume works under 星海社FICTIONS. He's notable, cause he's actually Setoguchi Ren'ya.

>>141506918
How about you alternate between Zaregoto and other LNs
>Also I'm not sure if I should skip volumes 1 and 2 since I already EOP'd them few years back.
Having memory of the story can be useful as it'll help you avoid getting too confused. So from a learning perspective it isn't a bad idea I think.

>>141506167
Just in case anyone else was wondering, I found it http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk

>>141506974
べし is from べき most likely (the old 終止形 conjugation of it), but I can't say what it's supposed to mean.

>>141506974
べし is Old Japanese, used today too in more formal or serious contexts. Just google it and you can find million explanation. Example: http://kou.benesse.co.jp/nigate/japanese/a13j0112.html
If you want to write in in kanji, it's 可し, but that was used just in 漢文訓読, i.e. 不可欠 - 欠ける可から不 - かけるべからず.

Most importantly it's not tied with nouns, so when you say
>one of the characters seems to say 女性べし
you likely misheard.

>>141507116
It's way more proper to say べき is 連体形 of べし, as べし is the base form.

>>141506974
>Something you should say to women right?

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>>141507039
滅茶苦茶
目茶苦茶

Anyone stumbled upon any proper audio lessons that can be used when not doing Anki? I find myself cycling or sitting in public transit a lot, and I feel I could use said time to listen to some stuff. the resource guide suggest Japanese pod 101 which is sort-of-free but I'm looking for something actually free or "free"

>>141507326
Audiobooks?

>>141506974
I think 女性べしはつげん refers to statements like "women should stay in the kitchen" et.c. Which would be written as 女性は....べし in Japanese. So the character is pointing that whatever was said sounded a lot like something like that, which of course often sounds pretty condescending, and at times misogynistic.

>>141507366
Don't think I'm far enough yet for fully fledged Japanese Audiobooks. I'm about 1½ months into 2k/6k at the moment

>>141507400
Can I see your Anki chart? I'm about the same into it and want to compare.

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>>141507387
べっし：蔑視じゃないかなあとおもうよ

おにいちゃんったら

>>141507326
There's a Japanesepod torrent up somewhere with like all the lessons on, they're pretty good, I've been listening to them loads out and about recently

>>141507428
kek yea probably
dumb anime speech

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>>141506794
Finally.

Thanks mods.

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>>141506794
Where the fuck you faggots were
There were 2 e-celeb drama threads up for hours in the front page

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>>141507419
If I knew how to grab charts from my phone I'd share it with ya. Though the main reason I need the audiocasts/lessons is actually because all the cycling and public transit was cutting into my anki time, which is starting to lag behind now, so I highly doubt you even want to see those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p-8Vu8ywLw

What does はらう mean in this context? I have only heard in the context of money.

>>141507613
I'm not gonna watch the video, but there's 払う and 祓う. And expressions like 注意を払う.

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>>141505622
I made that images a fair while ago now. Well, not made it as much as mocked it up in paint.net then posted it, thinking nothing of it. For whatever reasons it ended up being used in thread OPs. Personally I like it, which makes sense being that I put it together .
Don't really know what you dislike about the image but it didn't take me all that long to make it, a few minutes maybe. If you don't like it, what not do what I did and randomly make or put together your own image and post it in the thread? Maybe an anon will take some sort of interest in it like they did with this image? I also mocked up the yaranaika/dekinaichan image that guide-anon added to the guide a while ago, from the same process: I was dicking around and for whatever reason ended up putting that together in paint.net and decided to post it in the thread, expecting maybe someone to laugh at it and then disappear into the archives forever.

So, yeah, it can happen. There is always the option of making the threads yourself and using a different image. Personally, I like pic related more, but it fell into the archives as I expected the sakura OP image design to also end up. 4chan is pretty random at the end of the day.

>>141507704
What happened is someone is spamming the gray sakura OP to troll people.

>>141507613
Judging more so by the pictures and less so by what he's saying, I'd say that とめる refers to just taking the pen off the paper as soon as the kana is finished, while はらう means to swipe the brush a little bit after you're finished

You can see the kana with はらう on them have brush sweep affects at the end while the とめる ones just stop

Jisho says はらう can mean 9. to make a sweeping stroke (in Japanese calligraphy) so I guess that's it

>>141507704
That picture is indeed quite nice

>>141507704
I think it's more fun if we switched the image every thread to be honest, but the guy obsessed with making the threads makes them always early

>>141507704
Holy shit, seconding this as new /djt/ OP image

Nice work anon

>>141507789
Doing that has resulting in a lot of shit in the past though, like people scrambling to make their own threads which results in 2 or more threads up at the same time, as well as the picture derailing the thread

>tfw managed to set up rikai sama anki import and the html text hooker all on my own
Thank you based coder anons for creating step by step guides even I understand

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>>141507387
Thank you all very much.

>>141507704
That one actually looks a lot nicer than the Sakura abomination.

>>141507853
>>tfw managed to set up rikai sama anki import
i abuse that shit so much god damm

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This thread's so cozy without that fucking autistic guy in here, almost brings a tear to my eye

>>141507853
That reminds me, some anon mentioned adding a script for keeping count of read lines per session to compare how much he reads each day, anyone happen to have that at hand?

>>141506230
Damien said back in 2013 that the version of webkit Anki uses lags behind the most up to date versions, and maybe it's still that way. Anyway, if you can make heads of tails of this, it might be something you can reverse engineer for your own usage:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28934674/centering-all-fields-in-anki-html

An anon a fair while ago now managed to do this really well (that stackoverflow post may even be his post before he got the kinks worked out) but I can't find anything about it on desu.

>>141508140
Here it is:
http://pastebin.com/raw/HxjV6YrB

This is an updated version that also has an x you can click to remove the last line copied in. It's for cases where you accidentally copy something unrelated onto the page and don't want it to affect the character count.

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>>141507796
Don't really think it is a democratic process. I've done dozens of other mock-ups of images and memes in the past which have ended up being reposted a lot in a sort of memetic way but it always seems pretty random how other anons respond to stuff. More of a 'if you want something to be posted, you gotta do just that' sort of thing.
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>>141507796
Pic related is the source image. It wasn't like it took a whole lot of effort to modify.

>>141507853
Feels good, man.

>>141508402
Thanks man, I assume you're the creator? Great idea

>>141507704
>Personally, I like pic related more
No wonder. It's way better.

>>141507796
Thirding.

>>141509043
I don't want to live in a world with dolls like that.

>>141508809
かわいそうなイエス

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>>141508166
I copied the formatting in that guy's pastebin link, and this is what I get.

I'm guessing there's a problem with the Gahnoo/Linux version of Anki. Either that or it's something to do with my font rendering, in which case maybe it's an Infinality bug.

>>141509596
I got the same result but on Windows 8.1, so I don't think it is related to Gnu/Linux, unless our results are the results of two different issues, each unique to our operating environments.

Don't know why I can't find the relevant posts on desu, though. They have random entries dating back to 2010 with some things but doing a search for
"anki"+"vertical"
results in fuck all and change, and I'm pretty certain the anon who managed to pull it off and upload his deck and a pastebin with his settings used both "anki" and "vertical" in his texts in those few threads a whole heap of times. I bet the jews did this.

>>141509596
Don't you have to use a vertical font as well?

>>141509764
No, any unicode-aware application should understand that CJK and Latin characters rotate differently in vertical mode.

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>>141509764
I don't have the KouzanBrushFontGyousyo font that the guy from stackexchange/pastebin uses, but I have all the other ones he uses.

Here's his screenshot. As you can see, we are both using the same KanjiStrokeOrders font.

>>141509731
Seems like it's not just us. I googled "Anki" "vertical-rl" and found this:

>488 ：名無しさん＠英語勉強中：2015/06/20(土) 07:07:59.21 ID:kmt4Irfw
>-webkit-writing-mode: vertical-rl;

>css3はこれで縦書きになるけど
>なぜか文字が横向きになっちゃうんだよな
>jsは竹取.jsとかいうの弄ったけどできなかった

>縦書き出来たって人いたらやり方教えて欲しいです
http://yomogi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1424287848/

From what I can understand of that, he's saying that "-webkit-writing-mode: vertical-rl;" is supposed to give you vertical text, but for some reason the characters are rotated sideways, and after messing around with javascript(?) he wasn't able to fix it. The bottom line is asking anyone who figured out how to make it work right to tell him what they did. Doesn't seem like he got any replies though.

>>141505367

Would you want to see the image post in >>141507704 posted as one of the OP images for these threads? Here is a strawpoll, if enough people want this image used some time, the anon who makes these threads may see it and do just that. Or not.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10208849

>>141510166
It works in Ankidroid for some reason.

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>>141510250
This one is better

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I just wrote this, someone please tell me if it works on your end.

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/613684242

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>>141510349
Works for me, though you might want to round the percentage to 2 decimal places.

>>141510446
Kek. Hotfixed, redownload it.

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>>141510331
Just putting it out there as a means to streamline the conversation surrounding that post instead of having that sort of thing clutter threads or worse, create silly arguments.

>>141510349
Sure thing mate, pic related is an example.
Could you explain in more concrete terms what the values means?

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>>141510510
Seems to have worked. Thanks.

>>141510524
>Sure thing mate, pic related is an example.
>Could you explain in more concrete terms what the values means?
Anki counts all answers towards its main stats, and this includes new cards and relapsed cards. Incidentally, this biases the "correct rate" towards 50%, especially for people who have a lot of relapses, but fail few "Review" cards (cards that still have an interval of at least one day and haven't been flunked before)

>>141510589
relapsed card - card which you failed yesterday
review card - any card which isn't new and wasn't failed yesterday

Is that right?

>>141510671
Here:
relapsed card - Card which you're already flunked, and then flunk again before graduating it (graduating = making it young/mature)
review card - Any card which isn't new and hasn't been failed yet today

>>141510714
Ah, I see. Thanks.

>>141510589
>>141510714
Okay then, cool. Thanks for the add-on. Are you planning to do anything else with it?

>>141510877
I might add a "whole last week" stat and then a "Period" version (corresponding to the month / year / deck life toggle), but I'll probably get bored of it before I do so.

>>141510929
Rigtho then man, whatever do you I don't mind being a guinea pig to see if it works as it is supposed to, provided I see the post. These little community mods are pretty neat in their own way.

I always lose interest when I try to read manga/VNs/LNs, so I'm trying to find other things to read

Any ideas?

>>141511067
Are you sure it's the mediums and not the particular thing you don't like? Maybe ADHD?

>>141511067
At what point do you lose interest? Near the end? Maybe you don't want it to conclude. Have you tried getting into more one-shot/short story type works?

>>141511121
I don't know but I have no trouble reading heaps of English novels.I've tried to read a lot but always lost interest after a volume or two of manga, etc

I don't know why. Maybe it's because I rely on the dictionary so much

>>141511165
I've gotten that way with anime. There's so many where I just haven't watched the last episode or two. But the furthest I usually get into manga is no more than a couple of volumes, or a couple chapters of an LN.

I haven't tried any short story stuff

>>141511231
>Maybe it's because I rely on the dictionary so much
Well duh, you didn't mention that. Obviously it's more 'fun' to read in English for you since it's much faster and easier to comprehend. Just buckle up and continue reading if you want to improve.

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>I learn japanese from an anonymous image board!

>>141510349
This is really nice, thanks.

>>141511231
>I don't know why. Maybe it's because I rely on the dictionary so much
Ah, you know, that might be a pretty big issue, even if you aren't really feeling bad about it at the moment while reading.

Why not give reading a break for a while, while increasing vocab or grammar, or both, study in Anki? I went through a similar thing as you appear to going through at after a while I found myself more or less really, really wanting to get back into reading and ended up balls deep in it but this time with the help of a better grasp on both vocab and grammar and found myself not so caught up with both look up issues and feeling unwilling to read/watch the end of a series.

Who knows?

>>141511325
Yeah I guess so

>>141511417
Yeah vocabulary is my weakest point by a lot. Most of my reading now comes from talking to people as I do it a lot. Everything but my vocabulary has increased heaps so I should really start improving it better as I have no problems reading or listening when I know the words

>>141506488
>waves apon waves are crashing around

厂下广卞廿士十一卉半与本二上旦上二本与半卉一十士廿卞广下厂下广卞廿士十一卉半与本二上旦上二本与半卉一十士廿卞广下

>>141511597
>Most of my reading now comes from talking to people as I do it a lot
Wish I had that sort of confidence. Since you seem to have a more audio centred focus, have you thought about making an audio→word type card for vocab facts in Anki, or something like Subs2SRS?

>>141511618
That's awesome.

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This seems like a bad way to put things.

>>141511912
Which other ways do you think would be more ideal?

>>141511989
No idea.

>>141511989
Not that guy, but information column-centered like that is really hard to parse at a glance. It should be column-aligned at the least.

>毎年
What's the difference between まいねん and まいとし?

>>141512206
yearly vs anual

>>141512206
not much i think
english has every year, annually, yearly, per annum

>>141512206
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1311087593
まいとし is considerably more common but まいねん is not incorrect.

>>141512241
>>141512279
>>141512286
Neat.

Thanks.

>>141512206
Diction. One sounds more "causal" whereas the other sounds more "educated". Just as anon puts it here >>141512241 more or less.

>>141512286
>considerably
圧倒的
damm no kidding

>>141512360
>Diction. One sounds more "causal" whereas the other sounds more "educated".
Do you have any evidence for this? まいとし is the reading NHK gives as well (http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10010354021000/k10010354021000.html), so I'm not sure what you're referring to by "educated".

>>141512448
Never mind, found a source for it anyway.

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/thsrs/12831/meaning/m0u/

>話し言葉としては、「まいねん」の方が、やや改まった感じを与える。

>>141512206
From what I understand, ねん is more formal and とし is more colloquial.

Anyone have tips for memorizing onomatopoeias in vocabulary? I'm making a hard time making mnemonics for them.

About Anki, should I press again if I knew the definition of the word but either forgot or were slightly off in the pronunciation?

>>141512690
If you did not have the right answer consciously in your head when you flipped the card, it's a flunk.

>>141512668
Not really. You've just got to grind them hard.

Why do Japanese people go 「日本に生まれてよかったと」 when they go to the Onsen

>>141512762
Because they enjoy the fact that they have good hotsprings they don't have to travel relatively far to enjoy?

>>141512811
No, you or I did not.

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How long does it take to become fluent in Japanese? Is it even possible if you weren't born in Japan?

>>141512811
Ban evasion is against the rules.

>>141512690
Yes.

>>141512905
Yes.

>>141512905
No.

>>141512905
Maybe.

>>141512905
Category V: 88 weeks (2200 hours)
Languages which are exceptionally difficult for native English speakers

Japanese*

* Languages preceded by asterisks are usually more difficult for native English speakers to learn than other languages

>>141512922
sigh, did the autist find another IP

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What does /djt/ drink?

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Should I update it like this?

>>141513122
coffee, and occasionally water with berocca
you?

>>141513122
Fish oil.

>>141513273
Looks better.

>>141513327
シャクタプ

>>141507704
You could've picked a better font for the English text. Also, the Japanese guide text looks crammed.

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ここにその男の子は来ている。

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So do any of you actually read things other than Peruvian pop-up books?

>>141513497
Bit late for that, isn't it?

>>141513628
In Japanese? Nope. Novels are superior in English anyways, Japan is only relevant for its weeb stuff.

Though I heard Book of the New Sun has a Japanese translation, reading that could be funny.

>>141513628
I plan to read classics like 吾輩は格好いい猫である

>>141513628
NHK easy is about all i can handle - still a scrub

>>141513122
ヴォッカ、ストレート。たまにエールも。

ノンアルコールはみずと緑茶と紅茶とコーヒしか飲みません。

>>141505367
I got a fucking iPhone as a gift, what the fuck do I do now? I don't want to pay 25$ to the jews that made iOS Anki, is there any way around it?

>>141513628
Not even.

I'm still going through core2K.

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>tfw I saw it in a novel yesterday and thus recalled it easily
Suck a dick, past me

learning kanji is the most annoying shit ever

>>141513926
Use ankiweb in a web browser.

>>141512905
You've probably been studying English for the past 20 years and unconsciously picked up new words, pieces of rarely used grammar and other language intricacies on a daily basis.

You just don't see it as studying because it has become second nature to you.

>>141513926
>program that you will literally be using daily for years
>chimping out on paying $25
God-damn kids are annoying

>>141514113
>paying $25 for something that should be free
Have you grown senile already, grandpa.

>>141514054
How do you learn something while you're being unconscious?

>>141514443
u cheeky cunt

>>141514443
How do you unconsciously breathe?

>>141514186
>should
The developers of anki have the good graces to provide their labor for free on the open PC platform, but charge on the more lucrative, closed platform of iphone in order to recoup the costs of labor. Welcome to Capitalism, wherein labor costs money.

>>141514443
You don't learn when you're unconscious, you learn it unconsciously, that is without actively putting any effort.
You hear an expression you didn't know several times and, without realizing it you start using it yourself.

>>141514113
when you put it that way i really want to donate, but all they want is code contributions and i've never bought anything apple ever

>>141513926
You can use AnkiWeb

>>141514731
>volunteer labour costs money

>>141513273
What add-on is that?

>>141515747
>>141510349

>>141515747
One I'm making. Do you want me to upload that version and replace this one? >>141510349

>>141515818
Yes please.
How is True Retention computed btw?

>>141515863
young or mature cards passed without lapsing : young or mature cards lapsed at least once

>>141515917
Thanks. I've been looking for something like this given that when I fail mature cards, it doesn't affect my 'again' count. which is weird.

>>141513723
>吾輩は猫である
Seconded. Slowly making my way through the first story, aided by a translated copy I had lying around.

無能毎日頑張るぞい！

>>141514894
Ankiweb is entirely supported via those "iOS donations", so it's not money wasted. They need to pay for the bandwidth somehow.

>>141513614
ああ、くそ。　ヨ。

>mfw grinding a chinese deck full of new kanji
Man I'm gonna become the Kanji Master in no time

>>141514731
See
>>141516751
There might be a minimum listing fee on iOS store, for things that don't spam you with ads already?

このスレ来てるヤツまだいたんか
今ではレディットさえもダントツいいのに

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Time period stats version is up. Make sure it works.

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/613684242

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>>141516974
You should use a HTTPS link for the screenshot, otherwise it won't load for anyone accessing the page via HTTPS.

https://i.imgur.com/YEeDitA.png

>>141517196
Okay. Try again.

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>>141517251
Works now.

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In what order am I suppose to go through those bad boys?

>>141517404
Yes.

>>141517404
>read 20 eroges
>pass N2 without thinking

>>141517588

Oh yeah I'm actually going for N1, just picked a random picture.

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>>141516974
Just started reviews today, seems to be working fine?

For reference, this is what your stats will look like if you have a pile up of reviews. I did ~400 earlier this week while suspending new cards in order to catch up.

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>>141517675
You've got no idea.

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so what does this actually tell me

>>141517803
It tells you your retention is above 90%. You can learn japanese.

>>141517754
>constantly skip days
>complain when you have shit retention and loads of reviews to do

>>141518072
Hey man I know the hell I've gotten myself into.

>>141518103
Just take it easy on your new card amount if your daily reviews seem too much to face. It's better to do a only small amount of new cards a day than to be in a state like the one you're in.

>>141518356
It's not hard, I'm just lazy as hell. I'd rather study the frequency domain properties of hermite spline interpolation rather than do flashcards.

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>>141518409
>tfw enjoy doing anki

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>not having 100% retention

>>141517665
go through vocab adding everything to anki
then go through grammar
then reading

practice listening consistently throughout

>>141517404
Are the listening comprehension books really worthwhile?

>>141519570
Just watch anime for listening comprehension

>>141519570
Only if you're one of those dumb cunts who're somehow unable to pick it up naturally.

>>141520185
I'll keep trying to pick it up naturally then

>>141520185
The same could be said about everything else too though. Everything past Tae Kim can easily be picked up naturally.

The difference is reading through a book (and making flashcards) can actually noticeably improve your grammar understanding, listening can pretty much only be trained by massive exposure together with having the necessary vocabulary foundation.

>>141520422
>Everything can easily be picked up naturally from anime
Fixed

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Am I missing anything?
I recommend night mode plugin for everyone because it makes anki much prettier

>>141519864
Are you listening to music? Tired? Coming back from a break?
I don't understand these numbers

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>>141520681
There is literally nothing for you to gain from lurking here or worrying about stats for at least a month or two

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>now able to read something i couldn't read yesterday

i..i'm learning?

>>141520854
Same here
I was very busy yesterday and therefore did not have time to read

>>141520530
Why do you need something like a night mode? Do you sit there grinding in a dark room like some sad bastard?

>>141519864
>2.5 cards a minute
>41% correct
If you don't remember a card, just hit "again". There's little to be gained for sitting there for ages trying to remember it.

>>141521079
If you spend hours every day on your computer and don't use night mode on Anki,the Tomorrow on 4chan and flux or redline you are going to fuck up your eyes sooner or later.

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tfw slowly unlearning japanese

>>141521289
>new cards learned: 1340
Neat.

>>141519864
99% probability that you are doing too many new cards or skipping days. 1% probability that you have a learning disability.

>>141521193
This. If you can't remember it quickly enough that you could easily read a sentence containing it (assuming you knew all the other words and the grammar), then it's an "again".

>>141520761
Are you implying that those stats are acceptable for someone who is less than a month or two into Anki?

I was pantsu on head retarded when I first started doing Anki. I did 100 new cards a day for a week, then 50 a day for a week after that. I really suffered for my stupidity (reviews took ages and I got tons of cards wrong), but my retention never went lower than 52%. After doing a review-only day and adjusting my new cards to 20 a day, my retention went up to >70%. I gave up a month or so later because I just hated Anki by then and was feeling generally negative about the entire learning process, but that's besides the point.

>>141521706
>but my retention never went lower than 52%
That's probably because anki's retention stats and default learning steps make it literally impossible to get a retention below 50% as long as you don't Again cards that are on 1-minute intervals.

>>141520761
I lurked /djt/ from day zero and gotta say the feeling of solidarity really helped me stick with it until it turned from motivation into habit

I know I shouldn't have to rely on an online image board to teach me discipline but I'll take the dent in pride if it let's me learn Japanese

>>141521562
Good idea, but I like the previous one's look more.

>>141521777
Okay, I'll leave the uploaded version alone in that case.

日本語の勉強が難しくない！

嘘だろ？

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>>141521596
That stat is a bit misleading. I quit Japanese about half a year ago and just came back to it recently. I was able to get through that many cards as quickly as I did because they were still fairly familiar to me. I'm starting to struggle now though because I overestimated how good my memory was and did too many cards that I'd basically completely forgotten too quickly.

In particular a couple of days ago I hit some cards that I just can't seem to remember no matter what. I even resorted to writing them out but it didn't help at all. They just won't go in my head for some reason.

>>141521760
The guy I replied to is barely above 40% retention.

I've seen a fair number of people post in these threads by now with sub-50% retention rates.

>>141521915
Do they not go into your memory even once you pass over to the next day?

>>141521669
害人
毛唐
胡座

>>141521908
>が

A friendly reminder that if you need to be told something more than one you are a literal retard, which makes every person who needs anki to remember words a degenerate.

>>141521955
Yes, that's because they press "again" on cards that are on the 1-minute interval. Anki counts every single answer towards the correct %age rate, so if you never press "again" on cards that are on the 1-minute interval, it means that every single card will lapse a maximum of one time for every time you get it "right". You need to press "again" on the 1-minute interval in order to have successive "again"s on the same card on default stats. The only exceptions are if you bury a card that's currently on the 1-minute interval or take your stats before completing all available reps.

>>141522028
I won't let you derail the comfiest /djt/ thread we've had in weeks, copy cat anon

Please don't let him win

>>141521963
Nope. Notice under the "Review Time" section the sudden appearance of those big red chunks. Those are me sitting and staring at those cards with frustration thinking "why the fuck can't I remember this?" and failing them over and over. There are about 6 cards in total and the only reason I'm even able to pass them is that eventually they are the only cards left to review so the gap between them becomes small enough that I'm able to just barely remember them by the next time that they show up.

Incidentally, the last time I was learning Japanese, I had the exact same problem with these specific cards. I don't know what about them is so incompatible with my brain.

>>141521915
>In particular a couple of days ago I hit some cards that I just can't seem to remember no matter what. I even resorted to writing them out but it didn't help at all. They just won't go in my head for some reason.
I had this shit too when doing the core deck which lead me to give up on anki. I would remember that these are the words I can't remember which obviously doesn't help

俺はニオンん

>>141522146
What worked for me was setting my graduation interval to two days instead of one. For some reason if I lapse them the first time on the successive day, they enter an endless recursion or refusal. But if I lapse them the first time later than the successive day, they don't.

My brain is fucked up, though, so where normal people remember something for one or two days I remember it for two to four. In return I have basically no working memory and a bad long term memory, except for things that I've strongly learned. YMMV

>>141522146
Post 'em, /djt/ will work together and give you the perfect mnemonics to remember them

>>141522146
I had that problem with some of core too mainly because core contains a lot of similar or similar-looking words, and it ends up being difficult to know which was which, especially at first when you're not really familiar with kanji/radicals.

If it's just a few cards giving you trouble I really think you should just suspend them and forget about it. There are a lot of words in the language and these specific ones won't make or break whether you know Japanese. And once you get farther ahead you could always come back to them. The real problem would be spending too much time on them instead of learning other things.

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>>141521777
How about this? The markup is ugly but whatever.

>>141522295
Turns out it's actually 12, not 6.

確認
得意
直接
接続
結構
連絡
普段
故障
成績
正確
普通
複雑

>>141522451
all super common just read an anime or two

>>141522483
Are you that eager to be banned again, shitposter-kun?

>>141522451
>確認
>連絡
>普通
Fucking same, I'm not even doing the same deck.
>結構
>正確
These took me a couple lapses but they worked after like two days. Just write these two in particular a few times and they'll stick.

The above five words are all super common (like, top 1k-ish in frequency), not sure about the others.

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>>141521915
>In particular a couple of days ago I hit some cards that I just can't seem to remember no matter what.

Make mnemonics.

ボクのズボンの中に大うんこが現れたのでやっぱり困りましたのう

そんなに大変なことを想像できなかったぞ

手ごわい相手じゃのう大便は

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WCVMNBXKRA

>>141521998
I hope you're baiting.

>>141522635
Not that guy but in that situation は is more appropriate, especially due to the negation.

>>141522635
heres a professional tip from the djt survival guide written by bradygames

if someone >がs you they are just jealous of your 日本語ペラペラ

>>141522577
I just can't get over the idea that mnemonics are childish. I feel too proud to use them, even if it means unnecessary suffering. Maybe I'm being too stubborn.

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だらしないなあほれ貸して
i cant translate this for the life of me

>>141522834
youre a turd with legs

here give me that

>>141522696
I want to correct you, but seeing as how you're spreading misinformation you deserve to remain ignorant.

>>141522916
i want to report you but seeing how youre just as bad im going to report you

thats the difference between you and me. i do the things i want to do

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One more try.

>>141522383
Better, but I still prefer the previous version. I know it's hard to avoid, but the three number columns not being centered with the middle one being below the default text's center is throwing me off

>>141522451
What the fuck? Like 8 out of my 10 worst cards are in that list.

I'm the guy that proposed listing them but I'm sorry, I'm as helpless as you. At least we can suffer together.

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>>141523164
I can make that happen but it's basically 100% hack and I'd have to use highly platform specific values to make it perfect. I'll have to think about how to separate the far left column without displacing it too far.

>>141522834
Does しょうがないなぁぁ trigger your anime perception? だらしないなぁ has the same "you're hopeless" nuance

>>141522905 is one way to put it

>>141523386
Different guy. I think its fine either way the true retention part is a great feature. I don't care much about the rest of the details

>>141523019
Oh, that looks worse than I imagined. Sorry anon, I'm not sure how to make it look good either. For what it's worth I'm fine with having the legend for all three columns.

Thanks again for making this add on

>>141522451
Shit like this is why I'm inclined to say kanji study is severely underrated. After doing a recall/recognition deck for a while with just English keywords for the kanji, it becomes so much easier to remember the readings for them when looking at words like this. Even mnemonics become rarely necessary, I just see 普 here and it reads ふ.

Of course it also helps that almost all of these come up in the first thousand cards of the 5k frequency deck, and so there's really no excuse for not being able to recognize at least half of them at first glance. They're fucking everywhere.

Is there a tool that lets me transform Japanese subtitles into all romanji easily? I'm trying to learn through anime, but there's no way I will bother to learn the thousands of kanjis and kanas.

>>141522451
Those words seriously are all super common, literally read anything and you will eventually learn them all, you don't even need to have them in anki.

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brb gargling volatile fluids

>>141519439

Thanks sempai I was starting from dokkai but your order makes more sense.

>>141523790
>>141523887
Fuck off, ban evading cunt.

>>141523758
Anyone who is dumb enough to fall for the "don't study kanji" /djt/ sabotage couldn't have learned Japanese anyway. If that retard is having trouble with words like 確認　and 普通 he will never even become intermediate.

>>141523972
It's been pretty much always recommended to learn kanji through vocab.

>>141524016
No, what's always been recommended is RTK.

Q: Should you study kanji in isolation?

A: Do whatever you fucking want, there is no objective best answer

>>141524099
Nah.

>>141524159
Yeh.

>>141523972
is there anyone in djt that can learn japanese? the answer may surprise you

>>141524194
This guy >>141517882 said I can learn Japanese, and I don't even study kanji!

>>141524099
I've always gotten the impression that the general opinion was very split over RTK and leaned towards being negative.

I tried it myself and got about 300 kanji into it, but I found it really tedious and kept forgetting the mnemonics so I stopped.

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>>141523808
That looks like complete shit, the columns from before were perfect.

>>141524307
Yep layout design is hard

>>141524276
>kept forgetting the mnemonics
You aren't supposed to remember the mnemonics. They're just there to help get you started.

>>141522519
nice bogeyman

>>141524365
I meant I was forgetting the characters and couldn't remember the mnemonics which I was supposed to use to remember the characters.

>>141524420
Make mnemonics for the mnemonics

>>141524486
yo dawg

>do core2k/6k without RTK or KD
>look up individual kanji i havent seen before on jisho
Isn't everyone doing this?

>>141524526

Because I use tangorin.

>>141524526
I'm doing this and I have 90% retention on reviews

RTK is for idiots desu

>>141524526
No, not everyone is doing exactly what you are doing, you pretentious cunt.

>>141524420
Maybe you just aren't the right type of learner. Do you have trouble visualising the stories when reading them? You should be seeing them as concrete things with your mind's eye.

>>141524598
lol anyone can achieve 90% retention when you've only got a few thousand cards and all the words look different. You'll see for yourself the difficulties you will start to have with retention later on past the pre-novice level you're currently at.

>>141524016
While it's all pretty subjective, my experience tells me this is unrealistic and in all likelihood actually a slower method than just hunkering down and copying down kanji into a notebook for an hour or two a day. After you get a good couple thousand down, you can speed through a frequency vocab deck at a hundred or so new cards a day without breaking so much as a sweat. Your recall of these words is actually improved by seeing so many new ones at a time, since you encounter the same kanji more often and become able to actually read them in words you've never seen before. Since my recall has been above average from the start, I don't have any confidence that the remaining majority of DJT will be able to "learn kanji from vocab" in the way most experienceless beginners around here love to tout.

>>141524624
wow rude

>>141524707
sorry

>>141524598
90% is pretty much five times worse than 98%, chucklehead.

>>141524698
>After you get a good couple thousand down, you can speed through a frequency vocab deck at a hundred or so new cards a day
only 696 unique kanji show up in the "world" fields of anon core 5k three or more times

>>141524698
Not him, but while I see the benefits of grinding kanji individually for a while and then breezing through vocab I can't see myself doing that. It may be sub optimal but I feel more motivated by making steady "progress" towards my goal rather than an investment for the future.

I know both can be considered progress, but you get what I mean. In the end "see what works best for you" wins out I guess.

>>141524650
>Do you have trouble visualising the stories when reading them? You should be seeing them as concrete things with your mind's eye.
I would lean towards answering "no", but it was over a year ago that I did it so I can't say for sure. I think I just tried to chain the elements of the kanji together with the story rather than actually visualising anything.

The only thing I remember clearly is being very perfectionistic about selecting stories off koohii (i.e. only picking ones which didn't annoy me in some way). Sometimes I would spend quite a long time looking through the stories and trying to decide which one I hated the least before reluctantly choosing one of them.

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>>141524253
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>>141524924
The only way to soothe the squirming in my stomach telling me I'm garbage is to put down other people on 4chan.

>>141524924
>tfw noticed clear progress when revisiting a VN i dropped a month ago
I can do it!

>>141524698
So did you do RTK or did you just write characters down over and over with no mnemonics or anything?

>>141524924
I got two (You)'s, what's everyone else's score?

>>141525038
Two here.

>>141525038
3

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>>141525038

0 as always.

>>141525038
1 :(

notice me senpaitachis

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>>141525109
Here you go, a super rare (You) imported from Austria.

>>141505367
I'm sorry if this was covered in the guide, but I just started with Anki and I was wondering if I was using it "correctly." Am I supposed to be typing anything, or am I merely supposed to be recognizing the words/phrases and relaying how memorable they are for me?

And thanks for this. I doubt this will make me proficient or even decent in Japanese, but it seems like fun.

>>141525109
Free (You) just for (You).

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>>141525219
>but it seems like fun.

>>141525219
You're supposed to guess the answer in your head. Then you turn the card and rate if your answer was right.

>>141525219
It's like deck of flash cards. If you don't speak natively English, it's like a stack of cards where you write the thing you want to remember on one side and the solution on the other. You then go through the stack trying to remember each thing. Anki just makes it digital, with the "flip" being the only real action you take.

I too enjoy anki

>>141525219
>remember the word instantly
easy

>remember the word within a few seconds without much trouble
good

>remember the word in ~10 seconds with some difficulty
hard

>can't remember within 10 seconds
again

>>141525219
>see 女
>ah, that's おんな!
>which means woman!
Like that.

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>>141525223

Thanks now I can go to sleep with no regrets.