Sakura is a GOOD GIRL

A good slut you mean.

Sakura is the best heroine of F/SN and there's nothing any of you can do to change it.

>>141423822
Most people would have been broken with a lot less.

You're a Good Girl, Sakura.

>>141423822
>Sakura is a USED GOODS

>>141423822
She needs to get some sleep and calm down

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She isn't good enough.

Do grails poop?

But then why does she insist on biting that fish all the time?

>>141425124
Sakura leaks mud at night.

Sakurwa is a good whore you mean.

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>>141423822
The only good Sakura is a dead Sakura.

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>>141423822
Here, have your fish.
Now keep being a good girl and crawl back to your wormpit.

>>141423822
Yes.

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>>141425592

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>>141423822
Yes. She is just madly in love.
I just can't wait to hear Shitaya to say this line with crazy voice.

>>141430384
>tfw that won't be animated this season

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Guys, guys! I found a way to fix Sakura!

Just picture her with this looks and a better voice actress, teasingly calling Shirou "Emiya-kun" instead of squeaking "Senpai!" with her usual dick-craving tone. It's like instant perfection.

>>141430470
Honestly, just giving her a different voice and stop her saying "Senpai" constantly automatically makes her a good character.

>>141430525
You're cofusing good girl with good character. Sakura, as a character, is terribly written regardless of her looks and personality, but that's a story for other thread.

>>141430658
Nah, I think she's a good character personally, I just find her voice really annoying.
I think her romance with Shirou is bad though in that they have no chemistry and I don't think they make a good couple. I like them both as individuals and their character arcs in Heaven's Feel though.

>>141430459
I can wait year for it, if it will be done in all glory.
Also will Sakuralot's laught sound like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm0uVtu9cS8

>>141430737
The romance is all Sakura is about, take that away and she's just a generic damsel in distress turned villan. Cliched as fuck.
It's like you've got everything backwards.

Quick question.
Why do Touko and Aoko hate one another?

>>141430789
Every character is generic. Of the last 4000+ years of writing, there is no character that hasn't been overdone.

>>141430848
If Siblings don't love each other they hate each other.

>>141430872
Semantics? really?

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>>141430470
Just make her bro character like Hiroyama did, and thing is done.

>>141430907
I'm not disagreeing with your semantics.

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>>141430470
Congratulations, you just created Rin.

>>141430875
I can understand that.
Thanks

>>141430955
Reminder, that future Rin and future Sakura are basically personality swap.

>>141430944
>Just make her bro character
This.
Remember when it seemed he hated her because of yandere Sakuralot
>tfw 3rei Sakura ended up being best Sakura

>>141430955
Rin's voice is squeaky as fuck, though.

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>>141430470
Just avoid Matou's adoption. Is stated that if Sakura wasn't adopted by them and stayed Tohsaka, her personality would be moreless like pictured.

>>141431130
Ughh, no thanks. I'll stick with the yamato nadeshiko type rather than the memetic dyke ojou type.

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>>141431175
Then you must keep her wormraping. Since once she escapes from influence of Matous, fragments of her actual personality start to crop out. As you can see even in HA.

>>141431368
>HA
>Getting any personality right
FYI, she is the yanderest and creepiest she's ever been in HA.

>>141431453
How much of HA did Nasu write?

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>>141431506
A decent chunk

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>>141431555
>father's day
I see what you did there

>>141430384
Where's this from?
The F/SN manga?
Is it any good like the Tsukihime manga

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>>141431555
I need a better picture of that clock.

>>141431736
A fanmade manga called Type-Moon Complex. It's quite good for fanfiction, but expect impossible scenarios like Sakura with Lancelot's powers, Illya with Archer's powers, genderbent Gilgamesh, etc.

>>141423822
I want Sakura to be a bad girl

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>>141431930
Well, she does love to get scolded

>>141431453
I don't say that she will get right. Just that she show some little fragnents of her actual personality. Even Shirou states here, that she basically becomes "Second Tohsaka" in HA.

>>141431736
That's from Prisma Illya 3rei. When shit got serious. Anime adaptation will probably rearch that in next year.

>>141432030
>actual personality
So, you're saying HA's depiction of Sakura's personality is more accurate than SN's?
Fuck off.

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>>141431834
>Gimmie Clock

NO!

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>>141431597

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>>141431736
Fate/kaleid Liner PRISMAILLYA 3rei
In which Sakura is kind, happy, and loving.

>>141433090
Why aren't the times on the clock imaginary numbers?

>>141433131
Because Imaginary Numbers doesn't have anything to do with actual imaginary numbers.

>>141433094
>In which Sakura is not Sakura
FTFY

>>141433094
What does the German text say?

>>141433354
"A boy falls in love with a girl.

Unable to confess, he is gifted with by a deus ex machina with the girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well."

>>141433411
Ebin maymay.

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>>141433458
Thanks friend

>>141433693
Damn dude

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>>141433411

>>141430470
Her voice actress is fine though.

>>141433884
Her voice actress' voice is the problem.

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>>141423822
What's worse about this is that I have the banner of the fucking meme going into this thread.

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>>141433354
"I'm reflected in the mirror. The world is nothing but virtual pictures in a set of mirrors against each other. I do not know my hollowness. And I do not have the hand that moves me*. But I exist here. I'm in the World of Mirrors, the endless Prismworld."

t. high-school german
*TL note: Probably means not being in control of one's own fate.

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>>141433979
Shut up. Sakurafish is the only redeeming aspect of Sakura's whole existence.

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>>141433979
>Recursive fish

We're doomed!
>No we aren't

WE'RE NOT DOOMED!

>>141433321
Sounds like you haven't read the VN.

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>>141434526
I don't remember this in the VN

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>>141434526
That was lazy as fuck

0.04/10 made me reply.

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Saber.

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>>141434811
>Suit Saber
Patrician taste anon.

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>>141423822
Fo' you

>>141431555
God damn, where do I get a clock like that?

>>141432277
Not really accurate, it's rather more natural evolution of her personality after she frees herself from influence of Matous. Post-Matou Sakura never actually have same personality as possible Sakura Tohsaka could have. It just that HA Sakura is no more afraid of showing more of herself and thus her family's nature is more visible in her personality. Which is also why Shirou describes her as "turning into second Tohsaka".

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>>141434811
Saber.

>>141435994
In HA Sakura becomes a stalker and a psycho jealous bitch after she's free from the Matous. Explain that, genius.
HA fucked up the personalities and went for a flanderized approach, it's shit.

>>141433321
Is hinted, that she was still wormraped. Not mention, that her past was probably even worse, consisdering that all Tohsakas are actually dead in this universe.

>>141434811
>>141435042
I want to fuck that Sword

>>141424214
Like Rin, for one.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the ultimate Fate girl. Period.

Don't worry, Sakurafags, she's quite the slut, and comes with optional worms.

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>>141423822
worm...
o
r
m
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.

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>>141434615
This scene was pretty much the same thing.

>>141423822
Remember
[ ] I want to save Sakura no matter what
[x] Persist on being a superhero

>>141436148
That's an optional side scene, don't you dare compare it with Prisma's masterpiece.

>>141436140
>.
>.
>.
Kill yourself.

>>141436169
You monster

>>141436182
>Worm yourself.
FTFY

>>141436128
>she's quite the slut
We can tell from those clothes.

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>>141436071
This is all I can say to you.

>>141431834
second this, >>141433039, didn't count

>>141433979
What part of "Everyday until you like it" you did not understand.

>>141436177
>optional side scene
0/10

>>141436169
>bad end
Also, reminder that the greatest moments of the VN happened because Shirou decided to save Sakura.

>>141436217
Yeah, just imagine how Sakura would look in those. The sluttiest girl with a slutty outfit, It would be like a slut squared, just delicious.
Too bad they gave her Saber's disgusting cuck face.

>>141436128
I just can't wait once Saber Install Rin will happen in Prisma. With regard to the current events, it's nearly inevitable.

>>141436343
Secondary detected.

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>>141436387
You literally need to read that scene to even get into the HF route, LP watcher. Check out the flowchart.

>>141436128
TAKEUCHI, STOP TURNING EVERYONE INTO SABER FOR FUCKS SAKE

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>>141436008
Saber.

>>141436582
If Saber install Rin will happen, you can be sure that Takeuchi will draw bonus art of her.

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>>141436074
For Miyuverse Sakura it's not so much "hinted" as "all but stated." Aside from that, on one hand Shinji and Zouken died five years ago, on the other hand she's been living with the Ainsworths.

More interesting is main Prisma's Sakura. We only see her for like two pages, but she's a Matou with purple hair, so she was wormed too. We don't know how thorough Kiritsugu was when he killed everyone involved with the Holy Grail War ten years ago, but if he got Zouken he was too late to save Sakura. And if the Tohsakas are still alive, they couldn't care less about her. Sakura didn't even have Rin; she was educated at the Clock Tower until Zelretch assigned her to this business with the Cards.

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>>141436169

>>141436582
All shall become Saber. Resistance is futile.

>>141436683
>her own sister gets killed
>nothing wrong at all
What a heartless bitch.

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>>141436577

O P T I O N A L
P
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>>141430470
Isn't this what she's supposed to look like? Like didn't they say the crest worms altered her appearance so she didn't reflect her heritage?

And if she was raised by Tohsaka's, she probably would've acted like one too.

>>141436683
I'm just curious once flashback arc ends and final battle starts how they divide cards between themselves, considering that they now know how use them. And since there is exactly enough cards for each character in Miyuverse, is pretty obvious that this will happen.
To summarize. Not counting Shirou who don't need card and Kuro who is stucked with Archer card, there is:
Illya
Miyu
Rin
Luvia
Bazett

And remaining cards are
Saber
Lancer
Berserker
Rider
Assassin

So who will get what card?

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>>141436888
Well, no. Her sister was sold by her father to a soul vampire for political gain, raped and defiled by demon insects at eight years old and every day of her life after. Her family abandoned her, her sister was told to forget she existed and enjoys a successful life as a prodigal magus of the Clock Tower, as an apprentice to Zelretch himself. And when her sister finally returned to Fuyuki, she hasn't said so much as a word to her and is actively trying to steal the heart of her senpai, the only boy who brightens her lonely horrific life.
That's probably more what she's thinking about.

>>141437038
>implying her sluttiness comes from the Matou treatment.
It comes from the Tohsaka side, who inherited it from the Edelfelts.
Tokiomi was a manslut that left bastard daughters spread all over the world, and don't be mislead by Rin's aparent purity, her slutty herritage just manifests towards girls instead of boys.

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>>141437147
I want Saber to get incarnated. Really, she's the only character from the main cast of Zero, SN and HA to not be there at all, does Hiroyama just not like her at all or what?

>>141437188
You would think Tohsaka's textbook classic tsundere character arc would be easy to understand for everyone, but more than 10 years after the VN's release, Sakurafags still struggle to get that scene.

>>141437282
Having no Saberface around would be kinda fresh t.bh.

Aside from "Alter" in the early part or PrIllya, that is.

>>141436683
I really isn't that hard to explain, Sakura was already wormed by the beginning of the HGW in FZ, so she must also have been in Prisma.
She was probably just adopted by some random folks in town, seeing as she's pretty much as irrelevant as it gets now.
Tokiomi died like in the original, but this time Rin had no Kotomine to teach her, so she just moved to London by middleschool or whatever, and seeing as Sakura was happy with her new family, she must've let it go, as Sakura no longer belonged to the same world as her.

>>141437201
>just manifests towards girls instead of boys.
>instead of
>not in addition too

>>141436075
Shirou, please.

>>141437413
>t.bh.
Fuck off.

>>141437452
Read her H-scene with Saber and read the one with Shirou. If you can't tell the difference in her behavior between those then I suggest you reevaluate your definition of "slut".
Rin is a lesbian that goes straight for Shirou, we've been over this a million times.

>>141436169
Reminder that you're also losing Illya by doing this.

>>141437282
>Really, she's the only character from the main cast of Zero, SN and HA to not be there at all
It's not just her but all others servants as well. Simply because there is no third magic in Miyuverse. Just Gil was able to half-incarnate by thanks to his ego completely overwriting original master of his card. And unless you want "kill" some of heroes by overwriting into servant. Then it probably don't happen. All we probably get is Saber install on someone (most likely Rin).

>>141424857
I want to fuck Taiga from when the sun sets till when it raises.

>>141436377
>>141437629
>>141436631
>Saber Install Rin
It's been a while since I last read Prisma so I'm not sure if I missed anything, but where the fuck are you taking this from?

>>141437594
Cups are simply tools to be discarded when they break.

>>141437704
Obviously Rin became a heroic spirit and has a class card now, and Saber has been incarnated like Gil, keep up anon

>>141437629
>Saber Install Rin
How the fuck will Rin resist the urge to literally fuck herself?
I mean, give that girl a mirror and she'll spend the rest of her life furiously masturbating.

>>141437012
>scene isn't unlocked until after you get through UBW
>can't access HF without reading it
Sure is optional, secondary.

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>>141437188
>Her sister was sold by her father to a soul vampire for political gain
wew even zero secondaries know this is wrong.

>>141437979
Not that guy, but if the game gives you the option to pick between seeing a Rin scene and a Sakura scene then it is technically optional.
It fits the definition of optional perfectly, therefore it is optional.
Now stop replying to obvious bait, dumbass.

>>141437299
Getting tsundere behavior doesn't mean it's excusable behavior. Rin failed as a big sister because she refused to let go of her pride until the very last moment.

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>>141437867
...okay, whatever you say.

>>141438100
>Not that guy, but if the game gives you the option to pick between seeing a Rin scene and a Sakura scene then it is technically optional.
By that logic most scenes in a VN are optional

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>>141437795
KOTOMINE
KIREEEEEEEEEI

>>141438100
It's optional in the sense that reading all the routes of the VN is "optional", sure. If you pick the Rin scene there, you'll end up in Fate or UBW.

>>141437704
With latest arc we learned how cards works. And is obvious that Illya and co. will gonna use them against Ainsworths in final battle. So is just question how they divide them between themself. As you can see here >>141437147. And regarding Saber install Rin. I believe that it will happen simply because somebody would need to deal with Lancelot Sakura. And with this scene >>141436683 is obvious that it gonna be Rin. And there is no more iconic card that she can use against her than Saber card. Hiroyama would be fool if he missed such great chance for double echo of final battles from Zero and Heaven's Feel.

>>141438026
You would know about that, now wouldn't you?

>>141438154
Indeed.

>excusable behavior
Almost no one in the series has excusable behavior, not even Shirou.
And Sakura is right on the bottom of the list for that, of course.

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What does Sakura's feet smell like?

>>141437299
WE can understand Rin's tsundere behavior, but Sakura can't. And let's face it, tsundere or not, that is a horrible (and given the circumstances, stupid) thing to say to someone.

>>141438338
Meant for this >>141438123

>>141438243
Welp, that flew right over my head, I need to re-read the latest chapters.
Makes sense though, and I'm a little hyped now.

>>141438124
Open that folder. NOW

>>141438364
Worms.

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>>141437299
At least it's just a scene in their case, and not the entire route.

>>141438366
Killing people is far more horrible than telling your whiny sis that she's being a little cunt over who gets to have a dumb sword guy's dick. It's hypocritical as fuck to judge Rin for that moment of brutal honesty but make up excuses for Sakura's massive crimes.
Most of F/SN characters are huge dicks and psycho criminals, and Rin is Mother Teresa compared to most of them. How about you get over that scene? it's been more than a decade, for fuck's sake.

>>141438394
>>141437147
Regarding card division My guess is following:
>Saber - Rin
>Lancer - Bazett
>Rider - Luvia
>Berserker - Illya
>Assassin - Miyu

>>141438366
It wasn't really stupid, she had the upper hand by then.
Actually, it was quite useful to make Sakura even more unstable and keep her from noticing the toll the jewel sword was taking on Rin's body.
Taunting was quite a smart move there.

While I do agree that it was a horrible thing to say, I also think that Sakura needed to hear it, it ultimately helped improve both their characters and their relationships.

>>141438338
Literally being permeated by all evils of the world sounds like a pretty good excuse.

>>141438653
>Luvia
>Rider
>Not Lancer
Cu is a dog, get it?

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>>141438653
>>Rider - Luvia
Mama mia.

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>>141437147
>Luvia
Rider
>Rin
Saber
>Miyu
Lancer
>Illya
Berserker

>>141438653
Also Ko-Gil will probably install his card on himself and becomes full Gil.

>>141438625
>massive crimes
>being a little cunt over who gets to have a dumb sword guy's dick
See >>141438603.

>>141438726
I can't imagine that going well for Illya&co.

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>>141438625
>Rinfags in charge of not being delusional

>>141438687
>Sakura didn't do nothing, it was all Angry Manjew
>This meme again
Fun thing is, no, it's still not a valid excuse.
Even Schizophrenics, retards and drunks don't get to walk free if they murder several people.

>>141438871
How many people has Rin killed again?

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>>141438687
SAKURA DINDU NUFFIN SHE A GOOD GIRL

>"What are you talking about? You don't need to hide it, Matou Sakura."
>The priest denies her.
>"W—What do you mean?"
>"I said there's no need to hide it. You are not another personality. You were swallowed by the mud and have become addicted to violence, but you are still Matou Sakura. You don't need to prepare another personality to excuse yourself."
>Her face stiffens.
>He's absolutely right.
>The girl grits her teeth and glares back at the priest.
>"What are you saying!? You're the one who made me like this…!"
>"I won't deny it. I kept you alive so that you would remain its Master. You measured up to my expectations, and you are about to give birth to Avenger. You have easily accomplished what I could not."
>"It wasn't easy at all…! You don't know how painful it was, how much pain I'm going through right now…!"
>"I don't know, and there's no need to know. I'm not so mad as to listen to a girl's complaint."

>>141438871
Shinji did very little wrong, though.
He presumably hit Sakura a bunch of times and almost rapes her once, that's nothing compared to what Sakura, Saber, Illya and even Shirou have done.

Shinji is a good boy.

>>141438994
>Kirei
>Reliable
Only the narrator and Sakura herself are reliable. Nice try tho, Fujoshit.

>>141438919
She kills Berserker once in Fate.
She destroy some golems in UBW.
She mercy kills Shirou in a Fate Bad end.
She let Shirou die by Archer hand in an UBW bad end.
She kills Sakura in 2 HF Bad End.

>>141438996
>almost rapes her once
>almost
>once
anon...

>>141439048
>Only the narrator and Sakura herself are reliable
Wormfags really can't be more delusional

>>141438871
Sakura is worse than shinji

>>141439068
>raped her many times
>almost rapes her only once
It still adds

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>>141439048
>Only the narrator and Sakura herself are reliable
And both of them say that Kirei is right.
In that exact segment I quoted.

>>141438791
So far, Gil is pretty much neutral.

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>>141439138
Gil-kun is neutral.
Gilgamesh isn't.

>>141438879
Good thing Dark Sakura only murdered clear-cut villains.

>>141437560
Reminder she also had a child with another man when Shirou dies.

>>141439163
I read that in Liquid Snake's voice.

>>141438665
>It wasn't really stupid, she had the upper hand by then.
And within a few seconds, she lost it, and it would have gone REALLY bad for her had Shirou not killed Saber.
>>141438625
You know what? You're right. It was silly of me to think that comparing your upbringing (which involved training really hard to become a magus) to that of your sister's (which involved horrible abuse and rape) and suggesting that the two are on same level MIGHT be a cunt move.

And who said anything about what Sakura did? I'm not defending what she did after she broke out of the control (before though? I absolutely wouldn't hold her responsible since she's more or less a puppet at that point). My point is that what Rin said to her was completely out of line and I don't blame Sakura for getting angry.

>>141439220
>Good thing Dark Sakura only murdered clear-cut villains
>This meme again
Next you're gonna tell us that she's a virgin and F/Z is not canon, right?

>>141438879
>>141438994
If she's such a horrible person and a natural born serial killer, why doesn't she go full murder spree in the other routes, where she's not under the influence of the Manjew?
Even if he didn't alter her personality, he clearly removed all of her restrains.

>>141439123
So all the times he successfully raped her don't count?

>>141439329
Everyone knows she isn't a horrible person. They are just teasing you.

>>141439293
Stop calling everything a meme it's /v/tier shitposting.

>>141439360
They do, but you can still say he ALMOST raped her only once

>>141438994
Well, the whole point of the route is that all the envy and rage, all the dakr emotions of her dark version come from her, right? So yes, she has a lot defects: she is petty, evious, rancorous, jealous, and she is unable to believe in other people. The whole climax of HF is her that understand that the whole mess is HER fault too, because she was unable to trust her sister and Shirou.

On the other hand, she is not responsable for zoroastrian Satan using her to eat people and accelerate his birth while she was sleeping.

>>141439266
>And within a few seconds, she lost it, and it would have gone REALLY bad for her had Shirou not killed Saber.
Yes, THAT was stupid.
It was also emotional, but you can't call her a bad person for it now, can you?

>>141439266
>My point is that what Rin said to her was completely out of line and I don't blame Sakura for getting angry
Ohh poor Sakura, Rin hurt her feelings!! let's just feel bad for her and ignore that at that very moment she was making Shirou fight his own servant to the death along with Rider, her own servant.
Yeah, how could Rin be so mean to Sakura?! poor girl wasn't hurting anybody, just throwing a little harmless tantrum and making Imaginary Number friends when Rin came and went full Excalibur on their asses and said mean things to her!

>>141439360
>So all the times he successfully raped her don't count?
You can't rape the willing. Sakura only refused the last time.
Not to mention a certain Anon would argue the rape didn't even exist in the first place because RN is the true canon.

>>141439381
What do you expect of a Sakura hater? He'll start spouting his bogeyman accusations any second now. He always does when people point out his bull.

>>141439493
Rin or Sakura?

>>141439217
Gil is pretty much currently in his "I will watch you, amuse me clowns" stand.

>>141439381
>>141439533
This is getting sad, "guys".
We don't choose what becomes a meme, and something being a meme has nothing to do with it's validity.
Maybe next time try to make your arguments in a less memetic way, ok?

Fucking hell, I just realized that I'm defending both Rin and Sakura from their respective retarded haters.
I feel disillusioned.

>>141439538
Rin.

>>141438696
Lancer class is not very fitting for Luvia. And since Caster card was destroyed, most fitting card for her right now will be Rider.

>>141439498
Ohmigosh, you're right! I can't believe I thought that Rin being a massive cunt to her dangerously unstable sister by comparing their lives and suggesting they were equivalent was a bad thing!

Seriously, if she'd just said that she didn't have any sympathy, that'd be one thing. I'd call her an idiot, but I wouldn't care. But the fact that she actually had the audacity to claim that she had it just as bad? I'm sorry, but that's where I draw the line.

>>141439532
Sakura only craves a magus' semen, something Shinji can't provide.

>>141439688
Fair enough. I wouldn't exactly call her a "bad person" or even a bad character, but I wouldn't give her any "good person" points, either.

But then, this is FSN. Nothing and nobody ever really falls into conventional morality, do they?

>>141439538
Neither of them.
Sakura is a bad person for different reasons than getting mad at Rin, and Rin is not a bad person for telling her sister the hard truth. You're not obliged to like or respect your siblings, and that doesn't make you a better or worse person.

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>>141439768
No, Sakura craves for hot skin, breath, sensation, penis, semen and kind words. Shinji can provide most of those.

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>>141439791
Everyone knows there are only three "Good" characters in F/SN

>>141439692
Just have Bazette install Berserker for Godhand and Resurrection rune. Luvia is ok with Lancer for blue skin tight body suit

>>141439498
You do realize Sakura was intending to sacrifice herself to stop the grail until Rin decided to escalate things for no reason by saying she'd kill her, right? They had a plan to save Sakura and all, and yet Rin went and declared war on someone who was trying to save them and wanted them to escape.

>>141440038
Anime of Shirou and his waifu Illya raising their daughteru Kirei when?

>>141439812
>Sakura is a bad person
>Rin isn't
Telling your sibling that you can't go full murderous grail just because their life sucked is one thing. I can understand that. But telling your sister that your backstories are somehow comparable? That is edging very close to "bad person".
>You're not obliged to like or respect your siblings
I can agree on that.
>and that doesn't make you a better or worse person.
Depends on how you go about it. Rin actually DOES love her sister, but isn't willing to admit it until she's literally about to stab her. That might not make her a good or bad person necessarily, but it does kind of make her an asshole. Otherwise, Sakura trapping Rin and forcing her to experience her life wouldn't make her a bad person, either.

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>>141440123
>Implying Shirou isn't the waifu

>>141440037
She doesn't want Shinji, though.

>>141440037
No, that's what Shirou says. Sakura tells him on the first h-scene that only a magus' semen would do.

>>141440157
>implying Illya isn't the waifu

>>141439498
>"Because nothing is my fault."

>Right, everyone else is at fault.
>She did not wish for such a thing.
>It turned out this way because nobody helped her.
>Nobody helped her, so that must mean they affirm her.
>They didn't object. That's the same as agreeing with her.
>No one can punish her.

It's funny how Sakurafags and Sakura are alike.

>>141439630
Sure thing, /v/-kun.

>>141440113
>Sakura was intending to sacrifice herself to stop the grail
False. Sakura confessed to Shirou that she could never bring herself to end her life. Why would they trust her twisted dark self saying she will sacrifice herself when Shirou knows for a FACT that Sakura could never do that?
Sakura would have failed.
It was literally impossible to save Sakura and the world without a series of perfectly timed miracles. It took Rin using the Second Magic, Illya using the Third fucking Magic and Shirou basically throwing away his life and using a servant's broken powers to make everything right. And it still was done at the cost of Illya and Saber's life, not to mention Rin and Shirou almost died too.

>>141440293
>cherrypicking the one moment where she gets angry at the irrationality of her situation instead of meekly blaming herself for everything as usual

>>141440235
>No, that's what Shirou says
How about you read the fucking VN? that scene is from Sakura's own POV, not Shirou's, moron.

I do think that people who are defending Sakura but calling Rin a bad person should rethink they're position. It's a bit silly to defend Sakura's murder but attack Rin' mean spirited-ness.

>>141440293
She is 100% broken and mentally unstable, but you can hardly blame her for it, the fault lies with those who broke her in the first place.
I'm looking at Tokiomi and Zouken.
I'd look at Shinji too but he doesn't deserve that much credit.

>>141440359
>Sakura would have failed.
Yes. Nobody is disputing that, considering what the grail did just before Shirou used Rule Breaker on her. It still wasn't a good idea to make her become hostile towards them when there clearly was a better way of solving the issue at hand. Sakura wasn't attacking them for the hell of it, but because Rin forced her hand by threatening her.

>>141440156
>That is edging very close to "bad person".
All magus are bad people. You need to be a bad person to be a good magus.

best doujins? Doesn't matter if it's sad panda or not

>>141440373
That's the moment of Anagnorisis, though.
If you knew a little about literature you would understand that's the most revealing and truthful bit of insight we get on Sakura in the whole VN.
Every casual "Sakura blames herself" moment was just her trying to deny her true subconscious feelings.
The Shadow, is actually a Jungian metaphor for Sakura subconsciously blaming everyone for her dark past and wanting to take it out on the people that never helped her when she was being raped and tortured.
So, yes, Sakura does blame everyone but herself, and that's a key point of her character. Without it, everything crumbles and we are left with a distasteful cliche of a character arc.

>>141440400
Even if that's the case, how does it negate my second point?
She could very well mean Shirou's "hot skin, breath, sensation, penis, semen and kind words" since he's the one with her at the time.

You sound so mad, it's pretty funny really

>>141440469
Sakura had been tortured for 10 years and was in the middle of being corrupted by all evils of the world, all while being in an incredibly confusing and stressful situation. Meanwhile, Rin was just blindly clinging to vague ideals that her dead father had given her, which we had seen her discard without a second thought for Shinji of all people in the previous route. It's pretty clear who had the most reason to behave the way they did.

Oh, and the obvious part where AM=/=Sakura.

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>>141438994
>You have easily accomplished what I could not."
Of course Kirei you're not a girl you can't have babies

>>141440506
>Rin forced her hand by threatening her
This is called blaming the victim.
It's like the abusive husband that blames the wife for the beating she gives her. "look at what you made me do??" "why didn't you shut your mouth?? you know I can't control myself when you talk to me like that!!"

>>141440673
>She could very well mean Shirou's
But we don't know that, as far as the scene tells us, it's anyone's.
>You sound so mad, it's pretty funny really
I'm mad at you being a secondary, not at the scene or whatever.

>>141433354
Bullshit about mirrors

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>>141440738
>Kirei
>not a girl
How could that be if he's actually best girl?

>>141440668
She wouldn't be wrong, though. It is quite hypocritical for Rin to ignore all the injustices being done to Sakura, then act all high and mighty about being the law as soon as Sakura does something wrong.

>>141440762
Attacking someone who's just announced their intent to kill you and made a weapon for that purpose is generally known as self-defense.

>>141440708
Their sucky backgrounds are proportional to their actions.
Rin had a dick father, so she feels it's not a big deal to be a dick to Sakura. And it's actually not.
Sakura had a murderous Grandpa, so she feels like it's not a big deal to murder people. But it actually IS.

>>141440983
Read the VN, secondary.

>>141440956
Threatening a confirmed killer that invaded your property is self-defense, the killer attacking you is just her adding to her crimes.

>>141423822
I want to be one of her worms.

>>141441071
I already did, but thanks for your advice :)

>>141440818
I'm not a newfag, I've read the VN forever ago.

And, again, she straight up tells Shirou that her "lewd body craves a magus' semen".
You can't refute that, it's not up for interpretation.

Now, tell me how I'm such a secondary if I've read the scene which we will probably never see outside of the VN.

>>141439048
>Sakura
>Reliable
And the narration explicitly says Kirei is right

>>141441162
>she straight up tells Shirou that her "lewd body craves a magus' semen"
That doesn't exclude non-magus semen, though.

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>>141440889
nevermind then

>>141440762
>>141441107
You know that mental illness can be used in court to change a sentence, right?

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>>141423822
I prefer Rin to Sakura, but both sisters are good.

Taiga is best though

>>141441214
The narration is told from Kirei's perspective, so it's not reliable.
And yes, who other than Sakura is more fit to tell us how Sakura thinks and feels?
Sakura>Narrator>Rest of the cast>Lying manipulative characters like Kirei and Zouken

>>141441236
>That doesn't exclude non-magus semen, though.
Who's using semantics now?
We don't know that, as far as the scene tells us, it's a magus'.

>>141441290
I said "walk free". With a good lawyer you could be put in a different facility than a prison, or get your sentence reduced, but no serial killer is walking free even if he's completely insane (and Sakura isn't, btw).

>>141441317
>And yes, who other than Sakura is more fit to tell us how Sakura thinks and feels?
Seeing how she's constantly deceiving herself, anyone.

>>141441158
>:)
Says it all.

>>141441370
I'm just playing by your rules, bro.
The kind words scene is still more reliable since it's told from Sakura's POV anyways.

>>141441412
>no serial killer is walking free even if he's completely insane
He just gets thrown into the loony bin for life.
>and Sakura isn't, btw
She is, btw.

>>141441464
>greentexting
Says it all.

>>141441412
You do realize magi are free to kill eachother, particularly in a grail war, right? Because she only killed people involved in it, and that's before we get into what they had done. You might as well call Shirou in Fate a murderer for killing Kotomine.

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>>141423822
itadakimasu!

>>141441518
>He just gets thrown into the loony bin for life
Depends on the country and the state, and how the lawyer performed, among many other thing. He could get a death penalty too.
>She is, btw.
No, the insanity is just a façade. Kirei says Dark Sakura is still Matou Sakura despite how much she tries to hide it.
And the narrator confirms: "he's absolutely right."

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>>141441313
Taiga is a big girl.

>>141441645
Saved.

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>>141441697
Just more of her to love. With vigor.

>>141423822
and she knew the reason why

>>141441496
>I'm just playing by your rules
Glad to know you're not even trying to argue then.

But let's say you're right, for argument's sake.
Then at that moment, and only that specific moment, when her brain is turned to mush, she's craving anyone's "etc, etc, kind words".
Then again, on the first h-scene, when she's still with a clear mind, she straight up tells Shirou that her "lewd body craves a magus' semen".
Now tell me again which is the most reliable of the two scenes.

>>141441697
Well she always was. Just Ufotable is first studio that actually corectly portray girls' sizes.

>>141441681
>Depends on the country and the state, and how the lawyer performed, among many other thing. He could get a death penalty too.
There's no way to be objective here then.

>No, the insanity is just a façade. Kirei says Dark Sakura is still Matou Sakura despite how much she tries to hide it.
Sakura has been insane and broken since she was a small child, due to all the abuse she suffered.
The Manjew only removed her restrains.

>>141441864
Her brain is also turning into mush in the H-scenes, that's why she comes visit Shirou to get her fix of dick and semen and kind words.
When the worms get hungry she always loses her mind.

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>>141431555
I want that clock.

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>>141441929
Judging from the sprites, I would have never guessed she packing a chest to rival Sakura's.

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>>141441645

>>141442036
If you look at Sakura's sprite you'll notice that they don't rival her own size description either.

>>141441985
>There's no way to be objective here then.
Bottom line, a serial killer never walks free, regardless of the severity of his sentence.

>Sakura has been insane and broken since she was a small child
Wow, this one is new. But no, traumas, social anxiety, sexual disorders, repressed memories and shit like that are not on the same league than proper insanity. You can't be ruled insane because you had a shit-tier childhood. Sakura had reasoning, a conscience, and even a somewhat normal morality, she was not insane before HF. And she wasn't during it either, at least not permanently.

>>141441990
On the first h-scene, before they even had sex, when she tells him about craving a magus' semen, she's clearly far more level headed then here >>141440037.
She's only starting to go into lust mode there, while on the image she's with lust mode at its peak.

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>>141442121
I'm just not seeing it.

>>141442193
>she's clearly far more level headed then here
Debatable.
But still, Sakura talking to Shirou is less reliable than Sakura's own mind. Sakura could have lied, or been telling a partial truth.
The source itself is of a higher authority in the kind words scene. It's a whole different tier, even if you subjectively think she was "more level headed" in the H-scene.

>>141442180
>Bottom line, a serial killer never walks free, regardless of the severity of his sentence.
Sure, but the people who are "in treatment", however long that may be, are fundamentally different from the ones who goes to the death row.

>But no, traumas, social anxiety, sexual disorders, repressed memories and shit like that are not on the same league than proper insanity.
Mental instability caused by a strong trauma is already enough. PTSD gets thrown around a lot because of it.

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>>141442314
>Debatable.
>But still, Sakura talking to Shirou is less reliable than Sakura's own mind.
Not in this case. See
>She's only starting to go into lust mode there, while on the image she's with lust mode at its peak.
That's not subjective.

>>141442180
Your point is moot either way, since mage morality is completely different from regular laws, making the people Dark Sakura killed completely fair game, since they participated in a mage battle royale.The shadow is a completely different matter too, since that's more like someone breaking into your car while you're sleeping in it and using it to kill people.

>>141423822
Would she be a good partner for fishing?

>>141442702
Hell yeah, she can even provide the worms for bait

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Stop talking about worst girl in the franchise and start talking about best girl in the franchise!

>>141442909
I call it arturia syndrome. Where every clone is better than the original

>>141434811
Saber? More like

GAYBAR

>>141442702
>>141442746
Wait, did the memes just went full circle?

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>>141441214

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Taiga's taigas really are inconsistent.

>>141443353
Taiga is consistently a best.

>>141442632
>mage morality is completely different from regular laws, making the people Dark Sakura killed completely fair game
We're talking actual morality here. Are you so autistic that you think when people say "Sakura is a horrible person because she kills people and hurts her senpai" they are thinking with a fantasy mage's morality in mind?
Have some common sense, retard. When people judge Sakura or any other character ever as bad, they are doing so from their own real life morality.
It doesn't matter if magi think it's OK to kill, it's actually not. If you self insert as an asshole magus while reading, you're doing it wrong.

>>141443537
>If you self insert as an asshole magus while reading, you're doing it wrong.
Is that why Sakurafags like murder so much and are obsessed with Sakura being pure and perfect?
It all makes so much sense now...

>>141443682
If that's the reason they fail even at that
Sakura is utter shit at being magus

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>>141443682
>>141443722
>not self inserting as Kirei

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Saber a shit
Sakura a shit
Rin a shit

Fish is best girl

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>>141443512
That she is.

>>141443537
>moral objectivism
Is there such a thing as a non-asshole magus?

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Rin.

>>141442036
Takeuchi was not good at drawing breasts back them.

>>141443831
Rinfish>Illyafish>Sakurafish>>>>>Gilfish

>>141441697
Acording to Nasu, she is bigger than Saber, but smaller than Rider in terms of sizes.

>>141443682
>>141443722
Sakura is hardly pure and perfect, nor she is blameless.
Still, faggots keep pushing everything bad that happens in the route on her back, when that's far from being the case.

tl;dr: Both Sakura haters and Sakurafags are retards. Same applies to Rin.

>>141443990
>bigger than Saber, but smaller than Rider
That's a big fucking gap.

>>141443933

He's still pretty poor at it, since he has to resort to boob socks.

Why is there so little Taiga porn lads? Genuinely curious.

>>141444112
Japs don't like her.
It's as simple as that.

>>141444172
Fucking Japs.

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>>141444112
For the same reason she has no porn

>>141444291
Literally fucking who?

>>141444202
Two nukes weren't enough

>>141444312
One of nicest characters
She can also see the future
Also her mini story in Plus-Disc is pretty good

>>141444463
Indeed, we need more nukes to turn them into loving tentacle monsters.

>>141444464
Sounds pretty good, but man, compared to Taiga, I don't know.

>>141443996
>Still, faggots keep pushing everything bad that happens in the route on her back
Who did anything like this?
Did you see anyone here blame her for Caster and Kuzuki's death? blame her for Lancer's death? For Sasaki's death? for Saber's death?
Nah, this is a huge strawman. People only blame Sakura for her own crimes, some pin more murders on her than others, but that's as far as it goes. No one blames her for anything she was not involved in, and certainly no one fucking blames her for "everything bad that happens in the route".
This is a huge fallacy pushed just to undermine the veracity of the non-Sakurafag arguments.

>>141444025
I think that was pretty much intention.

>>141444620
Do I really need to put a huge "FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING" sign on my post?

Anyway, what I meant is that Sakurahaters blame all those things on her alone, when she's clearly not the only one to be blamed in those situations.
I'm not saying she's blameless herself, but at the very least she's as much of a victim as a perpetrator, and yet she's the one who is crucified alone.
Of course, It's equally retarded for Sakurafags to think that "realta nua is the canon hurr" and such, but I'd rather thinks of these posts as ironic shitposting at this point.

The same is true for Rin, haters give her a hard time for what I believe is her best scene in the whole VN, while Rinfags rid her of any blame or flaw of character she could possibly have.

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>>141430525
Shut up you tasteless fagget.

>>141430384
Has ever Shitaya voiced full yandere character? (not counting Kyouko from Kore wa Zombie)

>>141445619
>what I meant is that Sakurahaters blame all those things on her alone
Another fallacy.
>Rinfags rid her of any blame or flaw of character she could possibly have
Yet another fallacy.

Seems like you built an internal image of how a Sakura hater or a Rinfag behaves in your mind based on some random anecdotal evidence you cherrypicked from several threads and now you spout that opinion you formulated as if it was the truth.
No, most "Sakura haters" don't blame Sakura alone, and no one here has done so, and Rinfags are the first ones that will correct you if you seriously claim she has no flaws (AKA she's a Mary Sue).

>>141445732
>Shitaya

SHITaya? seriously? Is that her real name or a pun?
Either way, it's a very fitting name considering the character she voices.

>>141446125
I spent most of this thread replying to Sakura and Rin haters, if you actually took your time to read it you'd know what I'm talking about.

>>141445631
>Sakura is kill infront a Shinji, turned into a Berserk Doll, and Shinji will need to be put her down with his own hands.
Literally the best end possible. Thank you fate/kaleid

>>141446276
Show me some Sakura haters that claimed Sakura alone was to blame for all the shit in HF, or some Rinfags that claimed Rin is a flawless character. Because I've read the whole thread and I didn't see any of those.
You're just assuming the people you argued with are like that, but they didn't actually claim any of those things I just mentioned.

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Are Sakurafags seriously ditching VN Sakura for fucking Prisma Sakura of all things?

In the end the character development and personality didn't matter, they saw a chance of getting a (presumably) worm-free Sakura and they threw away their waifu in a heartbeat.

This is fucking sad, really.

>>141446537
The same could be said about Rinfags in Prisma, couldn't it?

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>>141446537
>Sakurafags will be pleased by more Sakura
What a mystery indeed.

>>141446779
Rinfags ditching VN Rin for Prisma Rin just because Prisma Rin is worm-free?
That doesn't make any sense.

>>141446779
Prisma is basically just Rin. There's like, not substantial difference between the two in terms of personality, really.

Like, maybe Rin's a bit more exaggerated to fit some of the comedy? But that's kind of stretching it.

VN Rin and Prisma Rin are pretty much the same character in my book in a lot of ways.

Kotomine best girl.

>>141446404

See >>141436888 and the reply chain.
It's all a clusterfuck, but nothing unusual in these threads.

There's a guy comparing Rin to Mother Teresa, a guy saying Shinji did nothing wrong for her sake, a guy passing everything Sakura did as a "tantrum", etc etc.

And I wasn't even halfway through the thread.
I didn't really want to look back >300 posts just for this, but I did anyway, and it wasn't even hard.
Apply yourself next time. But I suppose it's your win since I ended up doing your work for you.

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>>141438364
I would like to know as well

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>>141446537

>>141433693
bro is this legal in america

>>141447087
>>141447702
Nah, Rin in Prisma is about the same as VN Rin as Prisma Sakura is VN Sakura.
Just because they have similar personalities, the character development is still not there.

But it all boils down to this really >>141447026
You see your waifu somewhere, be it a spin off or whatever, and she's just the same to you.
Even if they take a huge dump on her, waifufags will still feel bad and blame the author.
And on Sakura's case is even more understandable because so far she's really the Sakura from the VN but without the bad parts.

>>141447877
>What a heartless bitch
that alone is a dead giveaway he was baiting

>There's a guy comparing Rin to Mother Teresa
Yes, next to most magi, which is a valid point. Rin is too kind to be a proper magus.

>a guy saying Shinji did nothing wrong
Do you also believe people that say Hitler did nothing wrong to be dead serious?

>a guy passing everything Sakura did as a "tantrum"
Which is different from blaming her alone for all the shit in HF

Sounds to me like
a) your troll detector is broken, because some of the things you just mentioned were obvious bait, and
b) you're bending people's statements or taking them out of context to fit your viewpoint.
Sadly, none of those examples were actually solid, and some of them didn't even relate to your point at all.

>>141448215
>she's really the Sakura from the VN but without the bad parts
Disgusting.
Sakurafags are ditching a decent character for a "flawless" idealized version of her. Why can't they love their waifu as she is?
The same shit happened with BB a couple years ago. We lost a great deal of Sakurafags to a fucking AI with her looks mixed with Rider's.

>>141446223
You really need to get better bait.

>>141443682
But I like her being a wormslut?

>>141448473
Ok, the last part was bait, I confess. But I seriously don't know if her name is Shitaya.

>>141448251
>>What a heartless bitch
>that alone is a dead giveaway he was baiting
I replied this post because it's the origin of the shitshow, not that it was relevant itself.

>Yes, next to most magi, which is a valid point. Rin is too kind to be a proper magus.
Really? Mother Theresa? That's way over "too kind" mate.

>>a guy saying Shinji did nothing wrong
>Do you also believe people that say Hitler did nothing wrong to be dead serious?
He was comparing Shinji's effects in the HGW as far as I got it, but ok, even if ironic shitposting is still shitposting, let's gloss this one over.

>>a guy passing everything Sakura did as a "tantrum"
>Which is different from blaming her alone for all the shit in HF
To me it sounds like you didn't even read the post or maybe everything has to be told to you in absolute literal form for your understanding.
He absolutely ignored everything that made Sakura the way she was and passed it off as a mere "tantrum", which is pretty much blaming her alone for what was happening.

I already did your work for you just by looking these posts up, try it yourself now.
You have over half the thread to enjoy.

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>>141442436
Some hijack