Muv-Luv / Total Eclipse / Schwarzesmarken

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>>141357842
Claiming this thread in the name of my Planefu

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music

Official Schwarzesmarken soundtrack by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is THE soundtrack, comrades.
He`s now working on his next album about interdimensional matress travel - when he`s not busy calling out the jew.

Also, commissar Gretel and Martin were lucky to attend to the last concert of the Puhdys https://youtu.be/7FCWNS02jP4

But you can't forget the classics(if fucking shlomo didn`t block them where you live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g]

>>141357975
Garbage

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>>141357842
posting best girls.

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Posting two best girls

>>141357842
VN poster with all 3 route grills + secret unlockable grill.

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>>141358035

>>141358085
Best case scenario

>>141358151
So if the Beato-route is like the Yuuko-route in Unlimited, we'll be getting drunk depressed Beato crying over everything she has done?

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>>141357842
>>141357962
Oh, so I'm not the only one who remembers it.

Whatever did happen to that story? I was really enjoying it and wanted to see (Stasi informant) Theo have a private moment with Katia and clearly-not-CIA Lise where he asks them what the fuck were they thinking.

In fact, does anyone have the pastebin for part 1?

>>141358299
Derp. First one meant for >>141358197

>>141357999
Here`s your pity post.

>>141358295
you will save yurop but it won't matter since is non-canon

>>141358295
Followed by group therapy sex with the Werewolves, as is tradition.

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The most common enemy that we will face, the Tank-class and the Grappler-class are very vulnerable to our current weapons that the motorised rifle troops have. The Tank-class, is vulnerable to12.7mm fire at long range and vulnerable to 7.62x39 at close range that a short burst from a Ak-47 is enough to almost cut of its arm is a very interesting fact, and it can save your life.

The 7.62x39 m43 round got the power to penetrate almost 6mm of RHA at 100 meters but it drop of to 3.5mm at 280 meters.

The 12.7mm gun firing the B-32 API round got the power to penetrate 20mm RHA at 500 meters and 13.2mm at 1000 meters. It can penetrate twice as much steel as 7.62x39 round can from 100 meters ten times further.

The 23mm gun that is used in shilkas got the power to penetrate 24.1mm RHA at 500 meters and 19.3mm RHA at 1000 meters. Almost as much as a 12.7mm B-32 API round can at 500 meters but double the range. And the shilkas we have in service are used as ground support weapons, capable of cleaning the battlefield. Taking down Tank-class and Grappler-class with its high rate of fire and power per round.

But we have weapons far more common then the 23mm and it available in every motorised rifle unit with BTR's and more. The KPVT firing the 14.5x114mm BS-41 round is capable to penetrate up to 40mm of RHA at 100 meters and 20mm at 1000 meters. It will do maximum damage at 100 meters being able to fell the gigantic Grappler-class better then a shilka per round. The Grappler-class which can with its gigantic claws smash tanks and taking down our mighty MiG-21 is vulnerable to a mere BTR-60PB.

And there are even more weapons that can destroy our enemy. RPG's, ATGM, Recoilless rifles, machine guns and hand grenades. We have the capability to mass produce old world war 2 anti tank rifles and equip every motorised rifle squad with it giving them a massive advantage.


Our enemy, is very vulnerable.

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Let's look at what Soviet Tanks can do

The T-62 along with its older brother T-54/55 are the main battle tanks of the USSR. The T-62 is directly related to the T-54/55 series, where the big difference is the main gun which is a 115mm smoothbore gun vs the 100mm rifled gun on the T-54/55 series. The T-62 also have a more rounded and larger turret with small difference in hull size and road wheel spacing.
Both the T-62 and T-54/55 series have a coaxial 7.62x54R machine gun and a 12.7mm HMG on the loaders hatch. During the war against the BETA, field modifications such as mounting a 12.7mm HMG on the commanders hatch have been done to increase the firepower and survival. All weapons can be used to a distance of 1500 meters, the same range where the 115mm gun with a APFSDS round have a 50% chance of scoring a first round hit on a tank sized target. However the 7.62 and 12.7mm gun is best used at ranges below 1000 meters, effective against the smaller BETA strains.
The 115mm gun main advantage over the 100mm is that it fires APFSDS where the main killing power is from the steel long-rod penetrator with muzzle velocity of about 1600m/s meaing it have a very flat trajectory below 1500 meters. It also makes it significantly easier to hit high speed targets vs the 100mm. It also fires a HEAT warhead with much better penetration then the 100mm. The advantage from the 100mm is that it fires HE rounds more accurately at long range then the 115.
The smallest tactical tank element is the tank platoon which consist of 4 tanks where 1 is the platoon tank which has radio communication with the company headquarters tank. These 4 tanks alone have high combat potentional due to their firepower, protection and mobility. Having canons which can fell the largest beta and the mighty Destroyer-class either through concentrated fire on the front or flanking. Together with motorised rifle platoon or attached to motorised rifle company they form the basic elements in the combined arms team

Lise died, we all cried.

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>>141358151
>>141358295
Beatrix is just in the background to establish that she's the main threat and antagonist. You will probably send your knife through her feminine body no matter the route.

>>141358822
t. theo-kun

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>>141358793
Its okay happy end soon. Mabye

>>141358299
Prologue.
pastebin.com/3WbmXqsW

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>>141359259
Yep, this is it.

Though I recall there being more. Up to the point where Katia and Lise officially defected.

>>141359259
Thank you anon.

>>141358822
Unless Lise route is "Lise defects to 666th" I can't see Bea penetration happening. Even then it seems less likely.

>>141359259
Thank you Anon.

>>141358793
>Implying

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

>>141357975
my watersbrother

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Cryska, Inia and Yui are my waifus.

>>141359638
>implying you didn't

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>>141359668
You won't mind if I CHOMP one or two, will you?

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

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>>141359741
No.

>>141359863
Nothing personnel kid.

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>>141358822
You know, I'm going to go out on a limb and trust the people who have access to the source material when they say that Beatrix is a tragic heroine and even a very dark anti-villain:

アイリス　国＞星
ベアト　国＜星
ベアトは仮にシュタージを乗っ取っていたら共に盾となって心中したのかね

Iris Country>World
Bea Country<World
Beatrix took over the stasi and wished to suicide both to form a temporary shield.

Also, even the Japs say that she's basically Yuuko, just with her character points invested into piloting, charisma, and spycraft rather than science:
ベアトリクスが夕呼先生と同じ物理学(?)の天才だったら、 同じような生き方したかもな。代わりにベアトリクスには、デュルクに習って開花させたスパイの才能と 飛び込みで鍛えられた衛士の才能と なりふり構わないシスコンな彼氏がいたために、ああなっちまった。

This guy is saying that Beatrix is approximately equal to (≒ or more commonly in the west, ≈) Yuuko
この３ヶ月早かった・・・ 夕呼先生≒ベア様とこのスレで見たせいか テオのロボット～のとこで何か考えすぎちゃったｗ

And finally, have something that's almost poetic on the anime vs the VN/LN (you can decipher the meaning yourself with Google translate):

アニメはアニメ
原作は原作
で割り切った方が楽だわ
アニメ組のテオへの態度見てそう思いましたまる

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Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

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>>141360039
Here, have the updated version of that scan, secondary lover.

>>141360160
I kind-of like the graininess of the old scan. It makes her skirt look like it's got a lot of texture.

>>141360039
>>141360160
Martin gets to tap that.
Lucky Martin.

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>>141360160
Thanks
>>141360302
He is such a lucky guy

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>>141360213

Instagram filters exist for a reason, and it's not just to hide obesity and acne.

Sometimes things look a little more charming with a little bit of texture or interference.

>>141359997
ベアトリクスが夕呼先生と同じ物理学(?)の天才だったら、 同じような生き方したかもな。
Yeah, I think the above line is stating that if Beatrix had been a genius in physics like Yuuko, that she would have turned out exactly the same.

代わりにベアトリクスには、デュルクに習って開花させたスパイの才能と 飛び込みで鍛えられた衛士の才能と なりふり構わないシスコンな彼氏がいたために、ああなっちまった。
Instead though, because of her boyfriend's influence, she applied her genius and talents to piloting and spycraft.

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So alpha.

>>141360493
I think her father is more responsible for the stasi path she took.

>>141360571
The last BiS chapter kinda shot that japs theory in the face.

>>141360654
What do you mean?

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>>141360571

Yeah, honestly. If she had her way, she'd have gone NVA and been Jurgen's wingman for the rest of her life.

>>141360686
Beatrix willingly joined the stasi because she wanted to get in on oppressing and killing people to exercise her innate sadistic tendencies.

>>141360686
The thing you wrote. Assuming >>141360571 was you.

>>141360691
I bet it was those gigantic tits that got him.
Even with all the immunity Iris granted.

>>141360814
I thought the first BiS chapter made it clear that it was her ass, or am I remembering wrong?

>>141360732
ebin

>>141360691
>I can't live without you Jurgen, and what would you do without me! So I've decided I want to become a pilot and help you if possible.

She wanted him bad. Thing is though, that Jurgen wanted her to stay home and stay far away from the war, possibly even more so than Iris even. His ideal probably would've involved her taking care of a couple of his kids or working in the civilian government, not fighting BATERs.

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>>141360867
It was more like dat everything.

>>141360909
There is always the possibility that he had an idea of what she could become if she tasted blood. But that's just a theory.

>>141360953
I'm just asking. Beato is hot, no matter what.

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>>141360909

There would have probably been a conflict over that, but I don't know which way it would break. But Bea would have wanted to be his wingman, and keep him safe. Sitting at home worrying about him is probably even worse.

>>141361053
From the spoilers, Jurgen's been suffering from a bit of PTSD, so I think it's more that he doesn't want his waifu to be in the same pain and danger as him.

>Beatrix was the first person Jürgen would visit whenever he returned from the front. They would confide their secrets and insecurities with one another and often had to console each other's mental trauma and anguish. It fell to Beatrix to cheer Jürgen up when he sunk into depression after he lost a few of his subordinates in a confrontation with a Fort-class.

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>>141361098
>There would have probably been a conflict over that, but I don't know which way it would break.

Jurgen canonically lost that argument.

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>>141361358
Fucking hell

>>141361405
The worst part for him was that everyone greeted him as a hero when he returned to Berlin for taking down a brand new strain. They even had a parade for him, which made him feel even more guilty. Only Beatrix "got" him.

>>141361393
Because he argued, if he had just made Beatrix pregnant the argument would have ended.

>>141361358
If Iris is completely in the dark about her brothers war experience, as of '76, wouldn't it reinforce that it is Beatrix and not Iris who has the better picture of his Ideals?

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>>141361496
>taking down a brand new strain
Wait what?

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>>141361358

That's not necessarily PTSD, that's just normal grief. PTSD is stuff like flshbacks and panic attacks that disrupt your life. The important part is that it's an inappropriate reaction to the time and place you're in at the moment it occurs. Being sad when your friends die is normal.

>>141361571
Could be that the Yanks didn't tell the commies, the first time a Fort-class was seen on Earth or continuity error.

>>141361656
>first time a Fort-class was seen on Earth
Probably this. It takes a while for hives to build up to that. Or maybe the dudes wrong. They don't mention the fort being a new strain in the spoilers.

>>141361656

Or they made it up as a PR thing. You can do that in a closed society

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So naive, Takeru.

>>141360953
>>141361053

Reminder she was only 14 years old in that pic. Stupid oppai lolis.

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>>141361656
>>141361793
>>141361805

Either a continuity error or first East German TSF unit to take down a Fort-class.

Or he "solo" the Fort-class thus they paraded him.

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>>141361824
Ursula just can't compete, can she?

>>141361805
Point taken. I think there were Forts at Kashgar as well, De-classifying them as propaganda action makes sense.

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Even Lise was bigger than her at 14-15.

>>141361896
Why is it so hard for her to shoot a alien?

>>141361876
>>141361916
No, I checked it. I was just wrong about it being new. It's still strange that they'd parade him and his squad in Berlin, but I guess they're using him as a propaganda piece. Back in the early days, just surviving the 8 minutes of death was virtually enough to qualify you for Hero of the Whatever status.

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>>141362019
Because she didn't care enough about Vivi.

>>141362043
Was it only 1 Fort-class?

>>141362043
Well he was their Ace of aces, maybe they blew up one of his victories for propaganda purposes and he felt bad about all of it.

>>141362086
But she is a saint.

She is supposed to be perfect and not wrong about anything.

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>>141359463
>>141359259
Alright, so after spending/wasting literally an hour and a half or so searching through the archives, I FINALLY found the pastebin for the first part of this story....
>http://pastebin.com/JPJuYeYy
....only to find that the content has been removed.

That's the bad and frustrating news.

The good news is that the story was slightly continued in a Titanpad and a good chunk of it is still there. Along with a chat that is basically loaded with conversation.

So yeah, anyone who wants to read that, here it is:
https://notallgermans.titanpad.com/1

>>141362087
>>141362161
They said it was a combination of Fort and Lasers:
不出所料，要塞级大规模出动果然是因为要掩护光线级。

and though he managed to turn things around, he had to sacrifice six of his MiG-21s:
这一战虽然获胜，但光线级照射攻击使试验部队损失6部MIG-21，5名卫士，不如说是惨胜如败。

Also, Jurgen seems to be one of the more intelligent commanders in the setting. When he was pushed, he told his men to back off, increase their range, and shoot back at at the BETA rather than getting into a melee like the other squads:
但尤尔根为了安全，让众人不要太靠近，用射击解决战斗。

Another contrast to Theo I guess. Jurgen likes to specialize in guns while Theo loves his knives.

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>>141362315

>Saint
>Kept Lise apart from Theo

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>>141362394
>They said it was a combination of Fort and Lasers:
Okay this smells like bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

The BETA are not supposed to do this. It may as well have been a normal Fort because those things can only attack at close range and have a tail to fuck shit up.

>>141362394
so theo is a jap
>muh knife folded over 9000 rimes

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>>141362413
That was more Iris really.

>>141362394
>6 Pilots down

That's like more than half your squad right there. If I was a commander, I'd be devastated, even more so if I got I big celebration when I got back.

>>141362497
It could be read as Forts and Lasers took them down, not Forts and Lasers working in tandem.

>>141361528
>If Iris is completely in the dark about her brothers war experience, as of '76, wouldn't it reinforce that it is Beatrix and not Iris who has the better picture of his Ideals?

Isn't one of the themes in BiS about Beatrix stealing Jurgen from Iris?

>>141362394
Second line says that it was the lasers that killed his MiGs, not the Fort.

>>141362602
I accidently read it as a fort/laser hybrid.

Serb time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kohsgr4kLdM

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>>141362508
No, Theo just likes penetrating beautiful women with something slightly more phallic than a bullet.

>>141362602
>Isn't one of the themes in BiS about Beatrix stealing Jurgen from Iris?

I thought the only Jürgen was a Siblingcon in '73, and that thus Beatrix didn't "steal him". But then again, Beato and Iris never did get along did they.

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>>141362847
No, they got along. They had a rocky start, but the two became best friends and remained so for a long time despite muh Jurgen.

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>>141362338
Good stuff anon, thanks for the find.

>>141363051
Once BiS hits '78 we are getting quite the ride then?

>>141362338
Yeah thanks anon you are great!

>>141363167
It's '76 and Beatrix is already being forced to shoot runaways.

>>141363224
But the Bernhards don't know yet, do they?

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>>141363218
Sure thing.

At this point I'm just motivated by a perverse curiosity as to how this guy would have written the "LISE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE" scene. This is going to bug me for months. I can tell.

>>141362394
>Theo loves his knives.
Someone post the webm of the retarded knife spin.

>>141363426
Lise sure love onii-chan.

>>141363426
I admit I was totally looking forward that scene.

>>141362338
>https://notallgermans.titanpad.com/1

Fuuuuuuck, this looked like it had potential.

>>141363426
Same, specially if the whole CIA spy thing came to fruition.

>>141363479
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28498184

>>141363426
I found this.
https://notallgermans.titanpad.com/3

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>>141358035
>>141358044

Posting

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>>141363810

present

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>>141364055
room for two more

>>141364055
What if Lise had a twin?? Wouln't that cause an Imouto war for which Lise would have the monopole of Theo's D?

>>141364123
This is a recipe for hilarity and tragedy.

>>141364123
She would've been into twincest on-top of incest.

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>scroll through the Titanpad chat to see if there is anything useful
>there is a link to a pastebin
>for part 1 of what was written
http://pastebin.com/zuwzJEDQ

Alright, now I feel slightly better knowing my search was not in vain.

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>>141364123
I'm sure they would have worked something out. Joint custody, so Lise # 2 gets Theo on weekends and holidays.

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>>141364273
Glad this little lost gem resurfaced. Too bad the author died. I guess the muv-luv curse for fan artists extends to writers as well.

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>>141357842
The F-4 really is a nice plane when you think about it, Raptor. I like you.

And F-5. Really wish the F-20 saw the light of day.

>>141359997
Wait, you guys use a different symbol for 'approximately equal to'?

The fuck

>>141359668
TE was nice, fuck the haters. That music was awesome too.

>>141359666
>/NVA/
>Warsaw Cucks

This is a joke, right?

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>>141364455
No

>>141364455
>F-20

It could have been beautiful, but much like many great things it never will be. Honestly though, as soon as the F-16 was starting to get exported, there was no real room in the market for it. The F-16 was simply a better choice.

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>>141361896
Took stuff out of her hips and breasts sliders, and then used ass as a dump stat.

>>141364728
thats just the suit. all her points are in moe bait.

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Here's one that's just a little more extreme than normal.

Walther sat on the edge of the bed, cradling his head in his hands. Behind him, Sylwia lay unconscious. The only sound in the room was a gentle sucking noise coming from a stiff plastic tube poking out of her mouth.

"We've... I've... gone too far this time."

Sylwia liked rough sex. She liked very rough sex. He wasn't sure what the reason for it was, maybe there were a lot of reasons, but the girl he had fallen in love with felt a great need to be punished for something she had done before he met her, and she demanded he provide that punishment for her. He was hesitant at first, but seeing the intense pleasure she felt as he pressed his hands into her throat, he had always gone along with it. Now, however, things had to change. She had passed out, of course, around the same time she had climaxed. The two experiences seemed to be inextricably linked. However, this time, something had gone wrong. Her trachea had collapsed, and she could only exhale. Walther had acted quickly, grabbing a breathing tube they had ready just in case something like this happened, and shoving it down her broken throat. They had, of course, practiced this many times before. Sylwia had forced him to. For a time, it was her high of choice.

As he sat there, unable to do anything other than press the palms of his hands into his eyes, the girl behind him gradually came to. Unable to speak because of the plastic in her throat, she wrapped her arms around the man she loves. It's at this point that Walther finally breaks down into tears. He gazed sadly into her eyes, which had turned red from all the burst blood vessels.

"We can't keep doing this."

Sylwia reached up to stroke his cheek, before finally giving a solemn nod. Eventually, they would have to take Sylwia to the emergency room, but for now, they sat there, listening to the soft sound of Sylwia's breath as it went in and out of the plastic tube.

What year is TDA set on?

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>>141364944
Well. That's... new. I guess.

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>>141364944

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>>141364600
Also the Muv-Luv F-4 and F-16 are sexy beasts too. Personally my favorite 4th gen aircraft is the F-16 with the F-15 as a close second. Something about the Falcon's size and capability speaks to me. It's the terrier in a dogfight, the thing you wouldn't expect to suddenly go hard as fuck on your ass. It's also become pretty much THE multirole fighter to compete against when it comes to competitions for procurement. Hell, the curries have a chance of purchasing it if their current fucking insane procurement problems cause Dassault to FINALLY back out of the deal.

Not bad for an aircraft originally designed as a highly maneuverable and cheap AIM-9 carrier expected to die in droves.

>>141364944
Lewd.

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>>141362394
Well Theo at least knows when to and when not to use his knife, so I wouldn't say it's an outright contradiction or contrast compared to Jurgen. What Jurgen's saying is proper tactics - and it's really more he and Anette did specialize for melee (since he does tell Lise off for going melee that early, only to get chided by Anette). Anette being one of the few Pact people who can handle the PRC Sword, and Theo being more the "everything else" melee guy since he is proficient with using his shield as wellTheo IS a great shot with an assault cannon. And we know Jurgen did like his melee too, since he did literally invent the manuver Theo used to kill his waifu.

It seems to be more contrasts on the surface, but underneath.

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>>141364944
Well...shit. So much for their backbreaking marathons I guess. When I suggested the idea that they were extremely kinky and rough, I didn't mean she had a choking/asphxiation fetish dammit.

Salute to the warriors. ;_;

>>141365377
That weapon is still a virgin.

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>>141365147
>And we know Jurgen did like his melee too, since he did literally invent the manuver Theo used to kill his waifu.

Thanks again Jurgen. Just wanted to let you know, it felt great inside Beatrix. Heh, nothing like virgins, right? She moaned and screamed when I sheathed myself to the hilt in her. She's a bleeder alright. Too bad for her her hymen wasn't the only thing I penetrated.

>>141365377

I kind of settled on choking because it's a much more slippery slope. Walther wouldn't slap her around or lay hands on her, during sex or otherwise, but he could probably be convinced to put his hands around her neck, and from there gradually be eased in to the actual business of choking her. It's also a lot easier to take too far, which is what happened, and it's kind of inevitable that she'd keep making it more and more extreme to try and chase whatever she felt the first time she passed out. From here, it's time to do a little soul searching I guess.

Also, time to practice blood chokes instead of breath chokes. those are a lot safer.

>>141365664
t.Master.

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>>141365664
Did Theo literally somehow find a way to dick the crazy INTO the RLF girls then? Normally, the d is supposed to drive it out.

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>>141366033
I don't think most women would be able to withstand the full force of his D.

>>141366146
>record Beatrix's death
>force Jurgen to watch a loop of it over and over

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>>141366146
ahem

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>>141366226
Please, we all know the true form of Theo's D. Just look at that orgasm from taking Beatrix's life-virginity.

Besides, Lise died later anyways. It was just a delayed case.

>>141366184
Not another edge lord please...Futhermore someone who gots some brains.
Do you want to create the ultimate human weapon?

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>>141366339
Fair enough. God help any woman that man ever deems important to him. I hope Katia gets away when she can.

>>141366226
That sure change from the face she had while fucking a highter-up.
Though I found it ironicaly funny when she told Theo that Iris probably forgot all about him with having a man inside her since she looks ''deadly-ecstasic'' after having licked Axmann's boot. I think she may speak from experience or did she always mentally projected herself in a happy world with Theo?

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>>141366184
To be real real for a second, I honestly think Theo, once he learns more and more of the truth and whole picture in the days before and after the fall of the GDR, Beatrix's words to him, eyes for him will haunt him for the rest of his days.

>>141366226
this is anime original. in ln he said no and that he only penetrates girls with knives.

>>141366711
She must have not taken that rejection very well.

Is Alternative Projects ever going to finish translating the LN volume 1 at least?

>>141366617
She was just some random hot psycho lady. He killed her and probably thought nothing more of it.

>>141366841
Translator went on deployment and hasn't updated it since.

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>>141366594
She looked pretty pissed off having to fuck the other guy, and either dead inside or mentally someplace else when she licked Axmann's boots. She clearly hated Ax in episode 9 and was ready to blast him like she did Pham once she had an excuse to remove him.

I don't think they explained how she went from point A to point B very well. Some stuff doesn't seem to make sense.

>>141366969
I fear what the BD will have for us in episode 8...

>>141366617
>>141366146
even in death she is a best.

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>>141366969

>>141367096
Well, she is pretty cute looking all helpless and struggling to breath as she drowns in her own blood.

>>141367160
thats the thing with best girls even when they are dying they are cute

>>141367050
I know that Lise is getting extra shit for the BDs; will they be giving any elaboration or scene changes concerning Beatrix and Iris?

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>>141367050
I think it'd do a world of good to flesh her out a little more than they did.

>>141367319
Same for this.

beatrix = hitler
gretel = stalin
irisdina = bin laden
axemann = ghandi
lise = himmler
katia = al-Baghdadi

>>141367319
They'll definitely redo penetration. I think even the Japs were complaining about the inconsistent way Beatrix's stab was handled.

Apart from that, I don't know. Beatrix feels really awkward in the anime. I'll always keep my fingers crossed for a BiS short though.

>>141366226
I asking myself if Theo was truly honest when he told Iris and comp. that he entered a relationship with Lise in order to control her and told them just what they wanted to hear. He was catatonic during a damn whole episode after Lise's betreyal.
Maybe I am just trying to justify some of Theo's action but Lise monopolised nearly all of Theo's tears. When she was alive and not anymore.
But he did say at the end that he was in live with Iris didn't he. But there is some trouble about what appear to be his vision of a woman with blonde hair when he though about his parents' villa, as if there was an emphasis betwen Iris and Lise.

>>141367447
>Axmann = Gandhi.
You made my day anon-sir.

>>141367543

Theo was telling himself lies constantly just to get through everything. He doesn't know what's going on, he doesn't know what he should do, and even if he did, he doesn't have the means to do it.

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>>141367543
They draw a lot of parallels between Lise and both Iris and Katia, like this flash when he sees katia for the first time. Dude can't seem to make up his mind about what he wants.

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>>141367096
Jurgen...tasukete...

>>141367762
so he just exist to kill waifus and cause suffering to readers?

>>141367817

No, he exists to suffer. Everything else is just an added bonus.

>>141367891
but he isn't suffering he just causes it. and even if he is suffering he is the reason he is suffering because he makes herpa derp decisions.

>>141367762
>Theo was telling himself lies constantly just to get through everything.

That would explain how he kept it together when Axmann pointed him out the obviousness of his station (free from the stasi grasp with no apparent reason).

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>>141367543
Well the anime fugged things up, but basically, Theo lies to himself a lot because of his horrible life. It's a survival mechanism in a nation where the truth is forbidden.

It takes real trauma to break his walls, that's the thing. Even after he changed, it takes trauma for him to finally decide on a course of action.

And even then, the lies.

I really do wish people cut him a bit of slack. Above all, I feel sorry for him, and I admire him because given what he was, and that he held his chin up and desired to change. He was brave in the end, because being brave isn't about being brave, but being scared and continuing in spite of that. That should be admired.

>>141367891
>>141367817
>>141367974
I think that's more Lise's and Beatrix's role.

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>>141367447
>>141367597
Shouldn't Gandhi be Schmidt, considering he thought nukes were the best option?

>>141368033
His paranoid ass could not distinguish between right and wrong

>>141368033
I think Theo gets criticized much more harshly because he's supposed to the hero. Heroes can make mistakes and fuck things up and the audience will be mostly alright, but if they're an asshole or idiot on top of everything else, people will be much less forgiving.

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>>141368486
But people miss why he's a hero. A hero isn't someone who is automatically good. To me, Theo's heroism is much more poignant precisely BECAUSE he is not a good guy, not a hero at the beginning. He's just a scared man who's already accepted the inevitability of his death. And how do people just expect him to know the truth of the matter? Truth is a precious commodity where he lives.

In spite of his fear, of his hatred, of his ignorance, he desired to change, to do the right thing finally, to do things for someone more than himself and his basic survival. Should that not be admired?

>>141368711
It should.

>>141368711
He kills PoWs and disabled pilots. That's not good. And as much as Beatrix deserved dying painfully, her LN death still left a bad taste in my mouth. And really, most of the other 666th aren't anywhere near as edgy as him. Annete mourns the people she kills, and Walter dies trying to save one of his enemies. Theo though doesn't give a shit because they're evil monsters and any harm inflicted upon them is OK in his mind.

>>141368711
He is just a tool used by people to full-fill their agendas

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>>141368918
I think Theo just wanted to get back at the bitch that killed his family and turned his sister evil.

>>141369065
pic unrelated
Bravo Theo, nice justification for everything

>>141369065
I think Theo just wanted to have sex with Beatrix, but because he's so fucked up in the head, he ends up turning that sexual tension into negative emotions and ends up hating her more than anyone else. I think, subconciously, he saw the knife as a stand in for his dick, which is why his inner rapist took over when he saw that Beatrix was helpless.

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>>141369065
>Theo blames everything Axmann did, from executing his parents to mind breaking his sister, on Beatrix
>Beatrix and Iris are more concerned with fucking each other over than bringing the one whose really responsible for Jurgen's death, Axmann, to justice.

How does he do it.

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>>141369280
What would Lise's reaction have been if Theo had ripped open her cockpit and fucked her in it right there and then to establish his alpha male dominance when she started screaming at him?

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>>141369437
>Fucking crazy, crying Lise in a psuedo-rape.

Hot, but it would probably just freak her out more.

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>>141369437

She'd be at his beck and call for the rest of their long, happy life together.

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>>141369437
Thats exactly what she wanted him to do. Probably would have saved Pham's life also since she would be too caught up in the afterglow to fight.
Everything would have turned out better with a little dose of Onii-chan D.

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>>141369813
A lot of people think both Beatrix and Lise would've been alright if their love interests were around to show them a little bit of interest. Like if Jurgen were to pop up or Theo were to switch his obsession away from Iris, that these two girls could be saved. But what if it's not them who are saved, but Jurgen and Theo who are instead dragged into the darkness with them in such a scenario?

>>141370242
Well Lise wanted to get the hell out of the country so no risk for Theo. He just got the most loving imouto of the world.

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>>141370242

Also possible, but in both situations, the alternative can hardly be any worse than the event.

>>141370242
>Bea, cut that out, that's not what I wanted.
>>Anything for you Jurgen.


>As Lise and Theo make their way to the border.

>>141370547
I think Beatrix and Jurgen would argue quite a bit, especially concerning what the DDR should look like after the old order is thrown out.

Bea might pull a Lise though, especially if she gets pregnant and just decide the best course is to ditch the DDR. Her plan takes a certain amount of suicidal desperation that she wouldn't have if Jurgen was with her.

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>>141370242
this >>141370547

Jurgen would have to correct Beatrix if her actions were not in line with his true ideals after all.

Lise and Theo would be long gone fucking like rabbits far away from East Germany if she got her way.

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>>141371150
Beatrix looks like she'd be a total sub to Jurgen to be honest.

Lise would be very sweet so long as Theo loves her.

>>141360542
those loops did a number on him alright

>>141371480
Yes, but it could be argued that neither of them really loved their men, but idealized images of them.

So did BiS already ended?

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I want to pinch her cheeks

>>141372218
I think it's on it's final volume. It should wrap up in a couple of months.

>>141363051
Sluts.

>>141372301
Make sure to wash your hands after. You don't know much cum that cheeks have touch, do not want you getting some germs okay?

>>141372028

It's not a compelling argument. In both cases, the girl loves her man as he is, but the girl herself has become twisted and broken.

>>141372496
Is there at least one reason not to bully Irisdina?

>>141372496
I'd lick Iris' cleavage

>>141372550
she isn't real

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>>141372301
Which cheeks are we talking about

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Why does Beatrix have such beautiful eyes?

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>>141373330
I dunno. Of all the girls, she's the only one with that particular eyeshape.

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>lick Gretel's armpits
>cum inside Gretel
>marry Gretel

>>141373396
I want young Beato to scold me.

>>141373330
>>141373396
It's because she's supposed to be the most attractive, hence why she has all those unique sexbomb features like exotic eyes or lipstick.

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>>141360542
Being buff as fuck and being love nucleus has its perks

>>141373575
>>141373396
>>141373330
Why did they make the far away most attractive girl the main villain and the one the MC has to kill?

>>141374036
because its kouki and this is muv luv

>you will never be Jurgen
>you will never have Beatrix getting soaked over you
Muv Luv is indeed suffering.

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Love Lise!

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>>141374945
Lise is old and busted; Katia is the updated model.

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>>141374945
Do your best anon

>>141375309
I want to tease Katia about pissing herself.

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>>141375309
Katja mit uns!

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>>141375629
I wonder who could be behind this post

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>>141375309
>Only ONE ribbon
Don't try to pass off your discount imoutos as anything but a downgrade.

I want to brainwash Beatrix into thinking I'm Jurgen and cuddle with her.

>>141375970
>dead imouto
>not a downgrade

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>>141376057
She's alive in my heart

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>>141376057
Too good for this world.

Both Lise and Katia should headpat each other.

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>>141376150
Now theres a sensible suggestion. They're both good girls who need to be loved and cherished.

>>141375698
I'm sure its Pham, she loved to tease Katia about is as well.

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>>141373228
But Inghilde has the best junk in the trunk.

>>141373330
It's because when you realize and understand her and her history, it makes you feel even more guilty because you realize this girl didn't deserve the life she got.

It relates back to >>141371480

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>>141377624
Great rack too.

My kingdom for an Inghild.

>>141364437
>Too bad the author died
what

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>>141378061
Not "dead" dead as far as I know just disappeared.

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Is there anyone here man enough to marry Marimo and keep her safe from CHOMPY Soldier-kuns and gangbanging Motostrelkis?

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>>141379036

>>141364944

Walther and Sylwia got home from the emergency room later that day. Apparently, it wasn't as serious as Walther thought. Maybe he overreacted. At least, they were thankful that Sylwia wouldn't require surgery. Walther had been worried that someone at the hospital might accuse him of being an abuser, or there would be some similar sort of misunderstanding. Luckily, sex-related accidents are a lot more common than one might think. People are understandably reluctant to share their experiences and equally quick to blame someone else. One particularly jaded nurse joked to Walther that it was speculated that a majority of hanging suicides in the region were autoeroticasphyxiation gone wrong, before chiding him for engaging in that sort of play.

Walther felt pretty miserable. It seemed like, today, everything he tried to do backfired in the most spectacular way. He already called his boss to let him know he wouldn't be coming to work today. Now, he had the whole rest of the day to sit at home stewing in his own misery. He glanced across at Sylwia. She was feeling pretty low herself. She felt like everything that happened today was mostly her fault, and seeing Walther's depressed, exhausted visage humiliated her. She still couldn't speak after the trauma her throat had been through, but she wished Walther would say something. Finally, she went to the junk drawer, and returned with a notepad and a piece of paper. She wrote something on the paper, folded it once, and handed it to Walther. Waltehr opened the letter.

It read simply, 'I'm sorry. I love you.'

>>141374036
because she was supposed to be main heroine b4 they decided to make SM grimderp

>>141380109
really?

>>141380305
Don't you know that SM originally was pitched as Unlimited set in Germany before Kouki decided that it would be better as a war & politics story?

>>141380344
No, why did he do it?

>>141380510
I don't have the quote on hand, but it was something about Hiroki's writing style. He thought that it would be better to have him write a war story like he always had or something like that.

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>>141379992
Oh jeez my heart

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>>141379992
>One particularly jaded nurse joked to Walther that it was speculated that a majority of hanging suicides in the region were autoeroticasphyxiation gone wrong
Sadly, I find this to be very likely.

I want to princess-carry Irisdina or Anett just to throw them into a nearest dumpster

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>>141380735

>>141380785
>tfw dick tells me to follow her route on altered fable
>but heart tells me not since its heresy to soil the cuteness

what do i do?

>>141381068
stop being autistic

Girls are for feeding to BETAs

>>141381164
rape first and then feed them to the BETA while the semen is still in them.

Why is Suzy such a bitch?

>>141381275
Her brother won`t look at her.

>>141381275
she is axmanns sister. and he is the mastermind behind moderate rebels its how he got access to rebel camp to shoot katia/irisdina.

>>141379992
I think it's time to see some help.

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Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord

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>>141382498

>>141382814
So long ago that was made.

>>141382902
it's like a month old

>>141382910
Yet here we are still shitposting when the ride is over.

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>>141382959
The ride never ends

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>>141382959
Why can't we just let go

>>141383239
Because we have nowhere else to go

>>141383239
Because kouki sama won't allow us to let go off his wild ride

>>141383239
Even if you let it go away, someone will make a new thread moments later.

>>141383516
I love Iris!

>>141383239
he has thick eyebrows

>>141383789
for you

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QFSpS8Kx6c

Where are you writefag ;_;

>>141384086
Schweppenstette did nothing wrong!

>>141384108
>withholding the information that Able Archer 83 was an exercise
>nothing wrong

>>141384133
There is nothing wrong with trying to bring about the Deluge of fire.

>>141384178
t. Erich Schmidt

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>>141384206
Nah, only based Curtis. Schmidts toys can't compare.

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>>141384244
Europe was going to be a nuclear wasteland, Schweppenstette didn't give a fuck?

have some moe LeMay

>>141384244
This "based Curtis" would see his flying targets literally removed from the sky. Once the age of the missile came, it was game over.

>>141384327
>Valkyrie and Rapier never

why life

How big are BETA armies in numbers?

Sorry if thats a stupid question but I know next to nothing about the series.

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Would we have seen the Mi-12 instead of the Mi-26 in the muv luv world? It would have been able to be deployed much faster because it already exist and is ready to be mass produced etc and it have a very highy payload that would have been needed in the BETA war (maximum is 40 tons).


>>141384349
It depends. The army group that reached east germany that almost broke it was 160000 strong.

>>141384397

Only 160000? Thats very small considering that USA in 1943 produced 37000 tanks, Germany produced 19000 in 1944 and Soviet Union around 27000 in 1944. Going by those numbers those three nations could produce about 83000 TANKS per year and thats not total mobilization for USA, resource starved Germany and occupied USSR.

Can a tank solo a BETA unit?

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>>141384397
The Mi-26 could be used to carry ammo to resupply the TSF

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I want to corrupt Irisdina and make her as sexual as Beatrix!

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>>141384433
>Can a tank solo a BETA unit?
Yes, see>>141358597
T-55 STRONK

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>>141384449
>Beatrix
>sexual

>>141384468

Then the numbers are bullshit. Fairly sure in a total war against an alien menace humanity could easily produce 200-300k tanks per year, add to that self propelled guns, artillery and you have 4-1 or better ratio for humans vs BETA.

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>>141384488
Japan cannot into tanks

>>141384433
>>141384488

Problem is that that 160000 strong BETA army was formed in mere weeks or a month, maybe even less.

World war 2 tanks are rather in limited performance against the BETA then cold war tanks due to their inferior mobility, firepower and sights and so on.

And there are 7 different strains each with special combat abilities and the whole group traveled 900 kilometers in 4-5 days.

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>>141384475
>Beatrix
>Not sexual

>>141384488
>BETA numbers
>Bullshit

Pick both. But apart from that, most of the BETA are capable from enduring enormous punishment. They can successfully cross nuclear minefields, operate underwater and in the vacuum of space without any problems, etc. Their numbers are the least of your worries if you are trying to make sense of them.

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>>141375629
>>141375698
>>141376823
Dunno what to tell you bruh, oneesan's got a dark side.

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>inb4 you try to talk with me about ww-2 tanks

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>inb4 you say ww-2 tanks can do it

>>141384822
>>141384849
>Sherman
>a benchmark for any kind of comparison

Nice joke here, comrade.

>>141384558
>>141384475
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>>141369065
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>>141358035
how can one 2D girl be so best?

>>141384534

Yes but still its not much. Even assuming that humanity was totally unprepared for BETA they should be at total war gearing once the East fell.

We are talking here hundreds of thousands of tanks being produced, millions of artillery pieces, armies counting dozens of millions of troops.

The scale simply isnt there.

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>>141384889
Beato is love, Beato is life, or rather we should say was, since by 83 she mostly delivers hatred and death, but that doesn't make less sexy. It just means that she should have been kept away from war, weapons and authority over other people.

>>141384961
She's not that bad in her role as a military leader, honestly. She's probably one of the most talented officers and pilots the DDR has at the moment.

>>141384961
but she is the saviour the world needs but stupid ddr no want. they will have to wait 20 years b4 another appears.

>>141385077
She was most definitely did not have the DDR's best interests in mind.

>>141385029
I am not denying that, its that it feels similar to Marimo to me. Marimo's true calling wasn't the military, even if she was extremely competent as a military commander.

>>141385077
Beatrix didn't have the means, only Yuuko did.

>>141385182
She's more like Yuuko though, who's true calling was fighting BATERS and super science, not being a physics teacher.

>>141385221
Extra Yuuko was a bored Rich girl who likely became a teacher to continue bullying her best friend, she didn't have a purpose in life. Whatever Extra Beato was, it must have been better than a broken existence only hanging on due to her desire to see Jürgens goals carried out.

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>>141384938
I dont think you understand the situation in 1983.

Sure the frontlines should not be like this if we follow reality but right now there are hundred of thousands of BETA hitting the frontlines globaly each day.

And the BETA operate on a whole different scale. They dont need to grow up and be pretty useless for several years, loved and trained. Then trained again to operate equipment which needs fuel, spare parts and munitions and will wear down with use. They dont need to sleep several hours or have a special week where they act weird due to how their body works and then be useless for some months so you can spawn a new human which have to follow the same cycle.

They get born, spend some time and then instantly walks out to the frontline and work. They only need to charge up their power at the hive which produce thousands of BETA each hour.

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>>141384889
It's because you feel her, feel her pain, feel her joy. You want to walk with her. That is only admirable.

Once you FEEL your waifu, once you KNOW your waifu, then you will understand her.

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>>141384879
>Sherman
>not being the top medium tank
Wew lad

1 Sherman
2 T-34
3 Panzer 4

>>141385029
>some cunts from the cunt squadron have died, cunt-sama
>[smirking intensifies]

>>141385136
Shlomo`s victims will never grasp that. Right until the day shlomo sends themselves into the grinder.

>>141385696
Thank you Watanabe!

>>141369262
>I think, subconciously, he saw the knife as a stand in for his dick, which is why his inner rapist took over when he saw that Beatrix was helpless.

t. Frued

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>>141386195
You saying?

>>141385384
>>141385221
Beatrix would probably be a hausweib in Extra.

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>>141385136
>complaining about schlomo never having others best interests at heart
>when the GDR was literally a Soviet cuck rapebaby

>>141386378
You demonstrate a lack of understanding befitting a burger. Your picrelated compounds that even further.

>>141386420
>Burger still number one.

U mad yuropoor.

>>141385580
damn. you pham-fags are gud people i promise i will never shit talk about your waifu.

>>141386448
>in jobbing for the kike

Weird thing to be proud of.

>>141385564

This is important. Also, remember that the group that hit Seelow (and I recall it being closer to 200,000, something like three thrusts of 60,000+80,000+60,000) was just from Minsk Hive, which was Phase II in 1978, and therefore maybe Phase III now. There are four older Hives and two that are slightly younger, plus one newer one.

>>141386378
>when the GDR was literally a Soviet cuck rapebaby

And why do people talk about NATO like it was some kind of sexual extortion racket?

>>141386523
French were the only ones with any balls left to resist the rape.

>>141386523
>Germany and France told the burgers to fuck of against the war in Iraq.

>Imagine the DDR doing the same things.

USSR: time to show who's the boss with muh tanks.

>>141386589
DDR did exactly the same thing with Afghanistan.
You`d know if you weren`t a burger.