Why is Incest so hard to get right? We all know Oreimo failed,

>>141307547
Cause it's inherently wrong, you goddamn redneck.

>>141307547
Give more examples.

Yosuga no Sora.

>>141307619
>inherently
elaborate

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>Oreimo is incest done wrong
>Oreimo failed
Nope, it's great.

>>141307619
What anime do you like gaylord?

>>141307619
>it's inherently wrong
Not more wrong than homo

>>141307547
SS sisters, sempai.

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I thought Koi Kaze and Ore no Imouto were both pretty good. Oreimo had a much more interesting cast of characters, but Koi Kaze really hit the emotional bits pretty well. I like Koi Kaze's manga art better than OreImo's anime but it feels unfair to compare them that way.

Questions for OP, or anyone:
Why did OreImo fail? Why did you like Koi Kaze?

>>141307547
I'm sure you're an expert on what manner of incestuous interaction is correct and which isn't.

>>141307830
KissxSis
Himouto
Onii-chan no koto nanka zenzen suki janai
Onii-chan dakedo ai sae areba kankei nai
Joukamachi no Dandelion

>>141307547
first one is drama second one is shit

>>141307619
Yeah. This.
>>141307886
>homo
Defective genes don't make it back into the pool.
>incest
Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects

Literally worse than faggotry.

>>141308240
>Onii-chan no koto nanka zenzen suki janai
the artstyle was too boku no pico for me

but I do agree on the other ones, there's also another one, I don't remember the name of, I don't think I saved it after watching either, but where some rich guy has to choose a wife before he graduates highschool or something, and a bunch of girls want to marry him because he's super rich, but it turns out that his secret stepsister is also attending that school and he doesn't know who it is and has to pick someone to marry without picking her because then he won't get the inheritance and the family will be ruined or something

that one was pretty funny

>>141307830
True love.

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>>141308482
Read the manga then. The art is better.

Nakaimo?

>>141307867
we have a sense of what's fucked up and what's not and incest falls in the fucked up category and your or any other neckbeards opinion doesn't matter as they are too in that fucked category you fucking mouthbreather piece of shit

>>141308753
There is no logical reason why incest is bad.

All you have is emotions and bluster.

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>>141307547
>incest done right
>siblings who never saw each other, thus there's very little taboo holding them back, since for them it doesn't feel as wrong as if they had been raised together

>incest done wrong
>siblings who grew up together and were raised as siblings who fall in love for each other

In reality Koi Kaze is barely incest.

Are there any decent incest manga/anime where the sister is older?

>>141308787
>There is no logical reason why incest is bad.
As long as they don't get children I guess.
But even then it is weird and disgusting.

>>141308787
doesn't matter

>>141307886
found the bigot

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Nanoka doesn't get enough attention, despite being a complete QT

>>141308813
It's right because it logically possible. Do you even Westermarck effect?

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Like SAO but not at all and better.

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>>141307978
Oreimo only failed because it failed to even begin to squeeze 12 volumes into 24 episodes, minus the OVA's. Characters were reduced to "literally who" status due to almost never appearing, and certain important character (Sakurai) didn't exist at all. Kirino's tsun was jacked up too far, as well
The Koi Kaze anime was pretty good, the artstyle felt a little weird at times, but the voice acting was great, and the music, as is usually the case in incest adaptation, was nothing short of godly. The only thing I didn't like was the hamfisted attempt at implying difficulty for Nanoka and Koushiro

>>141308928
Not worth shit.

>>141309060
Do you even have a sister?

>>141308459
>Defective genes
You can't say which genes is good and which is bad, because there is no end goal
Also incest is common practice for animal breeding

>>141309231
is that what your mom told you when you asked why others are better than you?

>>141309274
What did tyrone tell you?

>>141309325
I don't know who tyrone is, probably your dad or something if you are asking after him

>>141309221
No but the Westermarck effect has no scientific backing, it's just something that may or may not occur. Hence the "effect".

>>141308240
Himouto is not an incest manga retard

>>141309377
Tyrone is your mom's boyfriend.

>>141308908
Too old

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>>141308240
Could you kill yourself along with your nbr shit?

>>141308240
>HImouto
What the fuck are you smoking

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Incest done right

>>141308928
>Westermarck effect
Every living being in animal world takes a big crap about that pseudo-science shit.

>>141308813
>it's right because they don't feel wrong about it

>>141308819
>But even then it is weird and disgusting.
emotions and bluster

>>141308813
But Koi Kaze had inscreen sex scene between siblings, Oreimo only had offscreen.

>>141308459
While defective homo genes don't directly make it into the pool, the faggotry spreads because of acceptance and gaylords raising kids.

>>141309487
nice one

>>141308459
>Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects

As with any sexual reproduction.

>>141308459
>Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects
So having sex with a woman over the age of 45 is wrong too. Having sex with a smoker is wrong too.

>>141308177
I would say those that are more busy giving fanservice to the viewers than telling a story. For example SAO, it's only about the fanservice, in Koi Kaze the fanservice is minimal (MC smelling imouto's bra) because it is busy telling a story. Fanservice isn't bad as long as it isn't the main focus.

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>Incest
I'm in

>>141309832
Are you part of the group who decides what counts as pornography and what counts as art?

Ruri was robbed

Fuck Oreimo

>>141308240
>Joukamachi no Dandelion
Wait, Dandelion had incest?!?

>>141309937
No, I use common sense.

>>141309953
Idiot.

>>141308459
>caring about genetics when all sorts of defective people breed

Call me when we start up eugenics.

>>141309983
Doujinshi > in anime nicest

>>141308819
I'm not even in the pro incest camp but why?
The only reason its weird and disgusting is because you've been taught that it is.

That aside, inbreeding is counter-intuitive to evolution so its likely that animals and humans would naturally avoid it. However, if your blood is the only blood in town, you haven't got much choice.

It seems to me like one of those things that a bunch of societal leaders decided would be best to taught to advance the growth of human society. It certainly isn't naturally gross or weird though.

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>>141309953
>Crushingly dumped her boyfriend all for the sake of melodrama, driving him straight to Kirino
Yeah, no

>>141308240
NBR, fuck off.

>>141309832
Koi Kaze is animated drama. Oreimo is typical otaku pandering anime.

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>>141309983
Every night, like animals.

>>141310097
Go make another thread if you actually care.

>>141309231
The only goal of all life is to reproduce successfully. Incest has a higher chance of that failing.

>>141310305
Not him but you fuck off, NBR doesn't belong here and it never did, you are the only trying to force it in here.

>>141310325
Only if you have defective genes.

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>>141310366
Does this trigger you?

incest can't be right desu

>>141307619
first post, truest post

>>141310429
This is an incest thread, you might have some ground in an Imouto thread but not here.

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>>141310612
>This
>Not the purest love imaginable
Fuck right off, tripfag

>>141310429
Actually Kana imouto is kinda ok because it's only said at the very end to obviously avoid censorship or possible publishing problems. Shit like KissxSis or other harem series with a token "imouto" can fuck right off.

>>141310612
Weren't you that faggot whining in a loli thread about how you want to kill all the lolicons? Go kill yourself.

>>141310731
Plus, they only say it once in the climax, and never bring it up again, so you can pretty safely ignore it if you don't like it

Shoujo get incest right because they know how to play on the taboo and the oh-so-wrong charm.
90% of incest in shounen/harem ln/vn has no substance behind being a character description.

>>141310756
He is also posting sadfrog and other shit memes from other boards. Nobody should ever reply to him.

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>>141310366
Let's have a vote.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10169180

The only people that care about NBR are the ones that don't have sisters.

>>141310766
Yeah, it's like YnS having a "bad ending" in the anime and Oreimo having the siblings "break up", it's just to bypass those retarded jap laws regarding public decency or whatever it was.

>>141310866
Fuck off shitposter.

>>141310575
Sauce?

>>141310899
You have to be older than 18 to post here.

>>141310866
Fuck off, you faggot. NBR isn't Incest and it is shit.

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>>141310899
The "bad ending" is debatable, because the twins go off together, happily. They just leave behind a tangle of confused and hurt feelings, mostly in the butthurt Kozue, who was far more upset than Haru's actual girlfriend

>>141307978
>>141308014
>>141308098

Been a while since I've seen these stickers. Isn't there also an orange one, that also says something like "I want to be your only girl"?

>>141310916
Daily Lives of High School Boys
This scene also shows in the anime

>>141310958
Would you stop loving your sister if you weren't blood related? How can you call that love.

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>>141310899
I wonder how things would have gone if Fushimi had gotten his way with the Oreimo anime finale, with the simple change of Kyou kissing Rino on the lips, and not the cheek. I know it was a product of executive meddling, but would it have made that much of a difference? We've already seen them kissing before, and it's pretty evident, even in the anime, that they still love each other

>>141307547
Is Copyrighted Material a good anime?

>>141311038
Probably not too differently, people would still complain about the pairing being forced, about their favorite girl losing and about the ending being too inconclusive and abrupt. We'd just have a bit less shitposting in Oreimo threads.

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>>141309606
>each successive generation has more physical disfigurements than the next

Hell yes done right

>>141310983
>>141311065
>/A/
>:/

Fuck off, you retarded tripfag.

>>141310958
Dude shut the fuck up for once. Judging by your typing style I'm sure you're the same guy from the imouto threads. We get you don't like NBR, but time should have taught you there are some people who do or just don't care about it. Contain your autism, no one is forcing you to like or watch NBR stuff.

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>>141310575

>>141308459
Won't be a problem as long as they don't successfully fertilize he female.

>>141311289
Until Kanafriend comes along to trigger him, he's usually pretty quiet about it. It's almost funny watching it go back and forth

>>141311012
Would you stop pushing NBR? You've been pointed out numerous times why it is shit but if you're goal is to be a shitposter then you're succeeding.

>>141310575
I can't tell if she is happy or not. I doubt she is going to end up with glasses though from what I've seen of the series.

>>141311327
I'll never stop.

>>141311377
Yet another cancerous wart infests /a/.

>>141307867
Liberals are shit.

>>141311419
And you aren't? You are getting so worked up over it that you're arguing with someone you don't even know about the merits of whether or not someone sister is related to them or not. Maybe you're the autist here

>>141310061
It's not perceived as disgusting only because we're taught it's wrong, it's also a result of natural instincts. That doesn't make it wrong though, and contraceptive methods make the evolutionary argument null.
Saying it's "wrong" as a result of one's personal emotions is irrational and childish.

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>>141310969
Nevermind, found it.

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>>141311547
That's really god damn cute

Is the oreimo LN anymore conclusive than the anime? I know that it's supposed to be better all around in terms of expressing what's going on. I know they said they had to cop-out there in the anime, and I guess kind of in how the series concluded in the LN due to that shitty law, and that the author said it was a complete Kirino victory, but I was wondering if it actually has more details on what happens at the end. As in, does it contain more implied fucking, relationship stuff, etc.

>>141311547
Ah nice. I was just about to say, yeah there is but I don't have it. Thank you anon.

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>>141311588
Got this and the kiss at the end was on the lips.

>>141311588
In terms of implied fucking, it pretty much comes out and says it.
>So --- I and Kirino
>From brothe and sister, we became lovers
>The next day, 5:00 in the morning
>The chirping sounds of the birds --- that's impossible in this cold weather, but the lazy atmosphere of the morning filled the room. I casually laid my body on the chairs. On the other side, my little sister was sitting on the bed, wearing a bathrobe
>We --- didn't look at each other
>.............
>.............
>A strange silence lingered between us
>.....No, no, no. It's not like ---- we brother and sister did something strange!?
>I'm telling the truth! Really! Although we said that we would take some references from this eroge, but when it showed an H-scene the atmosphere between us became very embarrasing!
>Afterward, both of us had a feeling "Do, do you want to?
>Say...! As a narrator, I don't have to tell you everything!

>>141311588
With the After Story yes, it is more conclusive.

>>141311588
The ending itself is quite similar, what makes the LNs a lot more conclusive is all the context and narration the anime left out, even going back all the way to early S1. For example themes like "it's fine because we're siblings" and the meaning of "life counseling" are far more prevalent and recognizable in the novels. Also there's the After Story which is rather unnecessary but makes it clear once again they are still together.

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>>141311612
>>141311703

>>141307619
Which is exactly why Koi Kaze is incest done right.

But you wouldn't know that because you're a pleb who started watching anime sometime post 2010.

>>141311588
Plus the afterstory tells us, in no uncertain terms, that Kyou and Kirino are fucking, because Kirino is bragging about it to Ruri
>(Ruri)......I'm completely convinced by what you said just now. Why, if you lost that beautiful face of yours, the only thing remaining would be that bitch heart of yours, after all”

>(Rino)What part of me are you calling a bitch!? Just what are you saying to this super pure otome Kiririn standing in front of you!”

>(Ruri)...... pure?”

Kuroneko tilts her neck in doubt. And then, mutters with a scary low voice.

>(Ruri)All the women who dare to brag about their love life before me are bitches, all right?”

>(Rino)Wait! I haven't be, be, be, be, been bragging at all, you hear!”

>(Ruri)Yes, you have. Why, specifically speaking, that Sunday last week----”

>(Rino)Da~~! Sto~~~~p! You can't talk about that! You definitely ca~~n't!”

>>141311820
>he actually believes that
>he doesn't think Kirino NTR'd Kyousuke with Chad and that's what she's bragging about

>>141311786
Does Koi Kaze teach that it's wrong? I don't really remember that. The anime made it seem like it worked out pretty well for both of them at first. The problem was more so that other people had a problem with it which made their life harder, not that the thing itself was inherently wrong or hurt them somehow. They helped each other out a lot actually.

>>141311964
>Implying Kyou would stand there and listen to it if that happened

>>141311612
>>141311703
>>141311820
Damn, that's much more than I would have hoped for. Good stuff.

>>141311740
>>141311768
Yeah, that's what I heard, there's a lot more characterization. Looks like I'll have to go and read it then. Is there an official release? Quick glance at amazon didn't seem to show one.

>>141310964
Nao was just a straight up freak and chill. She would have threesomed if Sora was up for it.

>>141312099
This can pretty much sum up Nao's reaction in the anime
>What's that noise?
>Oh, damnit, he finally realized he loves her
>Oh well, I hope they're happy
>Wait, is Kozue going to fucking hyperventilate?
Now I want a doujin with Nao, Haru and Sora, with Sora trying her best to one up Nao

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>>141312008
He's just shitposting in a very pathetic way. Also I'm glad to see my fellow Oreimofans are still alive and kicking.

>>141312033
NanoDesu for the first 6 and a half volumes and BT for the rest. Though Nanodesu has shut down their blog due to a takedown notice and I don't know if someone here uploaded the pdfs/epubs to mediafire.

>incest thread A.K.A. Oreimo and YnS general
Everytime

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>>141312201
That gif is so heartwarming.

>all the butthurt in this thread because OP correctly labeled Oreimo garbage
As expected, fans of that series are complete idiots.

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>>141312311
Oreimo has it's moments

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>>141309983
Yeah it does.

>>141312201
Okay, thanks, I'll look around for them then.

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Can anyone even come close to him?

>>141312540
Truly an inspiration for all.

>>141312540
You really have to throw away morality to have as many kids as Tomaru.

>>141312363
Every time I see this I think RNC.

>>141311038
i don't remember watching this scene in s1 or s2. Is this an OVA ep or something?

>>141312832
If haven't seen the ovas after s2 you should right now.

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>>141312832
It's the final scene of the last S2 OVA. They're chock full of cute little moments

I just want an onee-san to suffocate me in her breasts while hugging me. How can I get one?

>>141312904
Oh dang well i should probably watch it then. But i feel like its been too long now, like im too late for the party to fully savor it

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>>141313820
You're never too late. Just go and enjoy it

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Does anyone know where I can find the raws of the non-H Ane Naru Mono series? I saw them in a thread a few months ago but I can't find it on the archive.
Also will anyone ever translate it?

>>141311995
The story made it so nothing about the relationship seemed healthy. However everything about it seemed beautiful.

>>141313862
Me thinking about my imouto

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>>141313862
>tfw constant public erections because the image of your naked imouto waiting for the dick is burned into your mind

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>>141315082

Why do animals not give a fuck about the said biological something that's supposed to make them not want to fuck their siblings?

>>141315422
Because they're fucking stupid and have no sense of morality or consciousness or societal mores?

>>141315422
Some animals actually prefer other partners than their relatives.

>>141307547
>Why is Incest so hard to get right?

Forbidden love is only interesting if it's dramatic, but it's easy to cop out and simply write characters that are casually in love with each other.

>>141315536
>no sense of morality or consciousness or societal mores
>stupid
Kek.

>>141315607
ok

>>141315536
But faggotry and pre martial sex are ok?

>>141312540
He's a full-blown rapist, and that's basically cheating.

>>141315707
???

When did I say anything about those? The question was "why don't animals care about incest" and the answer is because they have no understanding of the concept, and thus have no opinion about it.

>>141315876
But I asked about the supposed biological whatsitsname that should make them avoid it
Since you argued outside of biology I assumed you changed the approach

>>141315422
They only breed close relatives in captivity.

>>141316012
You're talking about Westermarck which is not biological, so you're just making yourself look stupid.

The idea behind Westermarck is that growing up with someone makes it more difficult to see them in a sexual light (basically). That obviously doesn't apply if you're an animal with no real level of conscious thought.

>>141316257
No, i've seen people saying there's a biological factor to it
I asked because we already know the westermarck effect is bullshit

>>141316257
>>141316443
erm...... are u guys arguing with bioscience or humanity/social science?

>>141316126
Is there a good article about it? I'm surprised no one ever posted one

>>141310325
>random internet faggot on /a/ has discovered the true meaning of life

Somebody should call the newspapers.

>>141316494
I started asking over bioscience, there's no much point otherwise

>>141316576
the true meaning of life is to find excuse to live on

>>141316623
Alcohol, pills, and cigarettes?

>>141316670
yeah, the excuse to escape and muffler the excruciating pain of living
everytime you went to sleep, our heart, our brain, our body and soul literally scream for life-ending and transcendence, that's why we dream

http://www.medicaldaily.com/kissing-cousins-everything-you-didnt-want-know-about-incest-and-why-inbreeding-isnt-321650

MODS sticky this

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Stop posting pseudoscience garbage like you know what you're talking about.

>>141316257
He's talking about a real, well documented genetic aversion in animals to avoid inbreeding.

>>141316505
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding_avoidance

>>141317074
>In some circumstances, incest is a necessity and multiple studies have shown that offspring of distant relatives are actually healthier than the general population.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1#.TtZburIr2sp

>>141316822
>the excruciating pain of living

Come. You live in a first world country. Stop being a pansy.

>>141317195
>distant relatives
it is not considered incest though

>>141317295
the very pain of living is to find excuse to keep on living and finding the self-destructive method to keep away from the mental disabling thinking on death

>>141317074
I want to thank you but come on man, that link just explains why it's biologically bad. It even says the mechanismm is just an hypothesis

>it's the year Heisei 28
>people are still talking about abstract morality
If two people consensually have sex there is literally no one being harmed. It's easy to prevent impregnation with contraception nowadays, so the genetic argument doesn't really stand, and one day through screening techniques and genic therapy maybe we'll be able to fully prevent and fix potential defects.

Two sibling fucking might disgust you and might disgust me, but one's personal feelings don't prove anything nor give anyone the right to deny someone the freedom they have as human beings.

>>141317315
>Responding only to the post
>Not bothering to read the article to put the post in context

>According to Stefansson, the reason that related couples were more biologically successful may be because these couples have "just right" genes when combined — not too similar, but not too dissimilar, either.

Why do you hate love Anon?

>>141317718
>Two sibling fucking might disgust you and might disgust me

Or it might be incredibly arousing

Incest doesn't imply inbreeding.

/thread

>>141317718
>If two people consensually have sex there is literally no one being harmed.
One of them has an STD.
One of them can get pregnant and the child will be retarded.
One of them will have their anus ripped open.

There are loads of things that can go wrong in various forms of consensual sex.

>"The take-home message is that ... we, as a society of [the] 21st century, have basically ruled against the marriages of closely related couples, because we do not look at it as desirable that closely related people have children," Stefansson said. "But in spite of the fact that bringing together two alleles of a recessive trait may be bad, there is clearly some biological wisdom in the union of relatively closely related people."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1

>>141308813
Kirino and Kyousuke spent years ignoring each other before the start of the series
pretty much all of Kirino's friends weren't even aware of Kyousuke's existence
the series is actively about Kyousuke learning about her even

It's the same shit in principle

>>141317718
It should still be illegal
Not for biological or moral reasons, but to avoid domestic abuse
Parents are able raise their children however they want after all

can some /sci/ pull some journals?

>>141317901
Yes of course, but it's assumed both parties are willing to trust one another or take their chances.

>>141317920
> Stefansson added that, as globalization continues to offer people great diversity in the selection of distantly related partners, perhaps the number of children born in the world will decrease: "Globalization will probably result in marriages of more people of different ethnic groups, but according to these observations, that will decrease the number of children born in this world," Stefansson said.

>>141317849
>Incest doesn't imply inbreeding.
Incest without inbreeding isn't even interesting. I mean that's the whole controversy in the first place.

>>141317943
>abuse
>consensual

>>141317901
>One of them can get pregnant and the child will be retarded.
My God when will this fucking meme die?
Genetic problems happen after GENERATIONS of inbreeding.
One generation do not have any problems.

>>141307547
>Why is Incest so hard to get right?
Because it's wrong.

>>141308459
>Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects
Incest only produces mutations over multiple generations.

Royalty did it for fucking ages.

Fuck your sister if you want, the odds of your next several generations of family doing the same is slim.

>>141310866
>strawpoll
>/a/
Fuck off

Inseki is superior to Incest. NBR is much better. It's legal and acceptable, it also doesn't fuck your kids up. The emotional/psychological aspect is still the same.

>>141317995
>but officer, it was consensual, RIGHT HONEY?

>>141318032
>Incest only produces mutations over multiple generations.
>Royalty did it for fucking ages.
Inbreeding is what killed royalty - it takes only a handful of generations at most to pretty much guarantee that the child will be dysfunctional.

>>141318032
>Egypt

>>141307867
Sicko

>>141318079
How does incest being illegal prevent that exactly?
May as well ban sex altogether since what you wrote fits rape scenarios as well.

>Robin Bennett, who headed the study, told ABC News that the risks of having a child with a cousin were about "2 [percent] to 3 percent" above the average population's risk for having a child with birth defects or mental retardation. She says while there are risks, they're "not as bad" as people perceive.

>Other risk factors are higher. For example, there's a 10 percent chance that a 41-year-old woman will give birth to kids with chromosomal defects.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1

THIS ISN'T POL, POST IMOUTOS

>>141318032
If you keep it to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd cousins, yea you can pretty much have all the incest you want, and there's actually genetic and reproductive benefits to that.

But 1st degree incest is always really risky, with some recessive genetic disorders being as much as a 50/50 shot.

>>141309056
>Kirino's tsun was jacked up too far, as well
The reason why I dropped the show

>>141318005
It's not a meme. The chances of defects are still higher than average. It's not as simple as dice rolls, it depends potentially harmful genes in the parents. If they both inherited the same one, being siblings and all, the chances are as high as 1/4, which is a lot.

All in all, in the media the risks are definitely overestimated, but they're still there. The problem is there is almost no certain statistical data on the subject.

>>141309056
The problem with OreImo anime was too much filler. The problem with the LNs was that there was even more filler.

OreImo is a 6 novel story, a 12 episode anime, max

>>141318202
>prevent
The point is not making it easier, like avoiding scenarios where some fuck up raise his daughter to be his fucktoy (depriving her of proper education so she entirely depends on him) and get away with it

>>141318356
50/50 is mathematically impossible, unless we're talking about X-linked genes.

I wish I had a kawaii imouto to have passionate sex with on a regular basis.

>>141318531
Explain pls.

>>141317982
why do you want deformities so bad

>>141311612
Could this actually be a literary device I learned in English? Something like faulty narrator? Where the guy telling the story may be lying to us?

He totally boned his sister wow

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>>141307547
Here i fixed it for you OP

>>141318762
Kyousuke was always that. He was constantly saying how much he hated her but kept bending over backwards helping her.

>>141318762
Its a literary device known as unreliable narrator, Nick from the great Gatsby is a good example of it.

>>141318072
Fucking bootlicking normalfags, fuck off.

>>141318948
Not normal faggs, we just have sisters IRL and understand that actual Incest is disgusting. and No it being ''2D'' doesn't suddenly make it ok. I wouldn't do something in 2D that i wouldn't be willing to do in the real world.

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>>141317195
Sure, if "just right" mating patterns between third cousins are your fetish, that study does provide justification for it. It's not even the first of its kind, there are plenty of other studies that show benefits in mating with distant relatives over generations, when recessive lethal alleles are more effectively reduced from the gene pool than in populations that do not commonly practice incest. Generally 2nd cousins or further away, though.

>>141318099
In Egypt full sibling incest was very common even among the commoners. During the Roman era, up to one third of all documented marriages were between older brothers and their younger siblings. It was against the local custom for onee-chans to marry their otoutos, however. Incest was more common in the cities than in the countryside, and the inbreeding depression (lower fertility rates, not "sadness from the realization you just fucked your sister without first offering a sheep to the goddess Isis") is thought to have been quite severe.

>>141318924
>unreliable narrator

/lit/anon, does GGRM count?

Incest was used by nobility to keep the blood puree

>>141319058
Did you mean GRRM(George R. R. Martin)? If so then yes.

>>141309231
Dog inbreeding kind of results in bastardized pups. Just because it's common practice doesn't mean it's not fucked up.

>>141319036
I swear, this whole "if you have a sister then you can't like Incest" thing is so fucking stupid and said nearly every thread. I have an Imouto and I fucking love Incest.

>>141318453
You do realize that it's actually legal in a lot of the world, including the U.S.? There are multiple states that allow it, and allowed it before things like gay marriage. I think it's absolutely retarded to make laws against it, who gives a fuck how people live their lives, but your point doesn't even stand, since it's not even illegal in a lot of places.

>>141319187
How does Martin quality as a unreliable narrator..

>>141319057
at least they are unlike the mongol where the successor also retain the concubines including mother

>>141318590
X-linked diseases (caused by genes in the X chromosome) are inherited by 50% of the male offspring (so 25% of the total offpsring) when the mother is a healthy carrier, (100% of the male offpring if the mother's affected too, but it's very rare)

If the father's healthy, incest does not affect this, but if he's not (and it's not that unlikely if that disease runs in the family) then half of the female offpsring will be affected too (so 50% of the total offpsring).

For the rest, I just realized I was full of shit. If there are multiple sets of harmful allels and both the parents are healthy carriers for all of them, the chances of defects can get pretty high, though I don't know how often this happens (there is almost no reliable statistical data on close-relative incest). When I read that post I assumed there was only one harmful allel (in that case the chances of disease are 1/4)

>>141319271
i feels sad for your imaginary imouto
>>141319278
i heard one can marry his adopted daughter in Murican, true?
>>141319291
the fatfuck forgot some details and treat them as ''unreliable narrator'' when prompt

>>141309231
>Also incest is common practice for animal breeding
And look at what kind of abominations who life in constant pain it has wrought.
Special dog breeds are absolute cancer
Chickens are bred and fed in such a way they break their own legs with their weight
Cows literally can't life on their own without someone milking them regularly/daily

etc.etc.etc.

Acting like modern domestication is a good argument for incest has to be the most retarded thing I've heard of in the past year.

>>141319271
You clearly have not spent enough time around her. 3D Women are selfish entitled and unreasonable. Even more so if they related by blood, i have 3 sisters. Not just one. So I've had the displeasure of experiencing the whole spectrum. You've obviously not shared a room with your sister or had to be her errand boy and fetch shit for her 24/7.

>>141319271
This. Why do you >>141319036 fucks always spout this shit? You may not like it, fine. But I think incest in fiction is top-tier, and I would certainly fuck my sister given the opportunity to do so.

>>141318453
This doesn't concern sibling incest.
And exploitation can still be made illegal.

>>141319420
>3D Women are selfish entitled and unreasonable.

Yup but I still like Incest.Perhaps it is because I'm southern and it is in my blood?

>>141319420
>3D
No shit, that's why 2D is different. Just because you want to fuck a cute and nice sister doesn't mean you want to fuck your own piece of shit sister. Are you actually retarded?

>>141319440
>>141319036
Single sister plebs think they have a stake in this discussion

> L
> M
> A
> O

>>141319036
>we
I have a sister, I feel very uneasy about being romantically involved with her, but I still like 2D incest and have zero problems with 3D one.

>>141319420
>my sister was a bitch so incest is disgusting
Would you shit on Tonari no Seki-kun if the girl sitting next to you in school had been a bitch?

>>141307830

Myself;Yourself

>>141319278
I argue why it should be illegal and you not only ignore the pointed issue but says it ok because it's legal in several places
You might as well not have replied

>>141319332
So in your opinion, there should be no real negative effect of 3rd cousin incest, or even 2nd cousin incest?

>>141319386
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that there are some states that don't have laws against it. Hell, there are some states that let you full on marry siblings and parents. And why not? If they want to, who gives a damn?

>>141319528
>>141319440 Here, how would that even make a difference? Would that make you less or more likely to want to fuck them? If I had more than one sister, I'd probably just want to fuck them all.

>>141319386
I always felt unreliable narrator is a cop out

>>141318234
So why do the chances of children being born with a defect go up the older a woman gets?

>>141319656
The cake starts to spoil.

>>141319640
not always

>>141319640
It's a cop out if you randomly pull it after the fact like that, especially when the narrator's not even any sort of character. When the narrator is a character or does have a clear personality and motives, then that's different.

>>141319656
More time for eggs to get fuck ups. Woman are born with all their eggs, the longer it takes to fertilize one, the higher chance something will have gone wrong with it by then.

>>141319609
I was only replying to what you said in that post. As for your other argument, nothing stops someone from deciding to raise their kid to just be single and want to fuck them their whole life either. So saying that allowing family members to marry would lead to sudden spikes in people raising fuck toys isn't logical at all.

Interested in Koi Kaze. Which should I go for, the manga or the anime?

>>141319656

Because semen is produced daily and eggs are produced at birth.

>>141319690

Indeed.

Is Kyon in Haruhi an unreliable narrator?

>>141319618
If we want to be nitpicky, the chances are probably still higher than average, but for 3rd and 2nd degree cousins they're incredibly low. There's no real reason to worry about them more than, say, complications during childbirth.

>>141319862
Is anon in 4chan an unreliable narrator?

>>141319912
Nah, you can trust us.

We need to find a way to legitimize incest.

This is the time to do it, thanks to the jews.

>>141319912
I fucking hate Normie's and women hating and laughing at me for no reason

>>141319444
The whole consent thing is grounded over when a person is mature enough for a relationship, but people don't mature the same. Parents and - in a much lesser degree - older siblings have a too much powerful influence in the maturity process. My point is, its not ok to fuck someone you raised/were raised with, blood related or not

>>141319633
>>141319583
>>141319564
>>141319516
Its mainly based on suspension of disbelief, if you understand the behavioral mechanisms of actual women and sisters it becomes impossible for you to enjoy incest. Because your brain keeps sending messages to you going like ''this is impossible she would never act like this, why are you watching/reading this? this is retarded''.

Number of dimensions withstanding, the way characters behave and interact with the world around them needs to be coherent for the viewer or they will feel disconnected and unable to empathize with the story.

>>141320021
>My point is, its not ok to fuck someone you raised/were raised with, blood related or not
I say that's bullshit, honestly. The actual fucking is not a problem once they're of age to consent, the only problem is if someone wrecks your life by trying to engineer you so that they can fuck you.

>>141320021
When both the siblings are mature what's wrong with them fucking? And who are you to stop them?

>>141320045
If you seriously can't handle sisters acting nice in fiction because of how unrealistic it is compared to your sister, I think you need to see a specialist.

>>141320045
How the fuck do you even watch anime if you have literally no capacity for suspension of disbelief?

>>141307547
Actually all incest is inherently good

i like when the mods are tolerate.
the verdict will be:

>2D: ok,encouraged
>3D: suit yourself, no one care

>>141320045
Again, you clearly don't find it appealing, but as I stated above, I do have a sister, and incest is one of my top fetishes, and I would have sex with my sister for sure if given the chance. And many other anons say this all the time.

>>141320021
You're free to believe what you want. Luckily, you don't get to decide what others get to do in their own lives.

>>141320045
I call bullshit. It's clear as day fictional characters often act differently from real people. Going by that logic I should dislike all fiction by now.
It's obvious that sisters don't act like they do in incest-themed works (in most cases I guess), but me being aware of it doesn't make it less enjoyable.

>>141320225
>2D: ok,encouraged
>3D: suit yourself, no one care
This.

>>141319817
It greatly makes it easier to get away with it and that's not ok
People who had power over the delicate maturing process of a person shouldn't be allowed to fuck them

>>141320225
Sounds about right.

>>141320140
>>141320180
I do, its just that any situation in anime that involves incest just completely fails to suspend my belief. Because I've never encountered any that have been executed well enough to, perhaps because of the very nature of the notion of incest itself seems like an impossibility to me.

>>141320368
Not even, I've watched a ton of fantasy based anime.... The issue with incest themed works isn't that they act different. Its that they are COMPLETELY removed from reality.

The only circumstance under which i've ever though an incest story could work is that both characters are raised apart from each other with no knowledge of one another only to meet on later in life and strike

Sisters in anime are generally portrayed like shit, the only anime i specifically remember liking the brother/sister dynamic in was Oregario.

>>141320623
Someone willing to mentally condition someone in order to fuck them over a decade later that would probably do that regardless of the law. If you can convince them to fuck you then you can convince them to keep quiet.

And then, most of the times consensual incest happens between relatives who've grown up apart. What about them?

>>141307547
>Oreimo
>failed
What the fuck is up with this Koi kaza/Kanafag shitposting recently?

Oreimo is one of the greatest love stories ever told and you can't change that. It's not up for discussion.

>>141320739
>COMPLETELY removed from reality
Not a problem for me, and I even have a sister.

>>141320864
>Oreimo is one of the greatest love stories ever told and you can't change that.

Kyou wasn't the most likeable character. Pretty bland.

>>141320739
>The only circumstance under which i've ever though an incest story could work is that both characters are raised apart from each other with no knowledge of one another only to meet on later in life and strike

Spoke to an anon on /b/ who had regular sex with his sister from (her) age 13-20 (his) 20-27. He said it wasn't at all romantic at all, though. Just sex.

>>141320623
You're entitled to believe that then, though I disagree.

>>141320093
This was exactly my point
No one else can tell how a person was raised nd stockholm syndrom is easy to achieve on a kid

>>141321063
>You're entitled to believe that then, though I disagree.

This is such a retarded saying

>hurr lets agree to disagree

Fuck you.

>>141320977
13-20

''just sex''

> B'tard grooms and rapes his 13 year old sister.

W E W
L
A
D

>>141321153
He was just preparing her for the real world

>>141320864
Araragi and his sisters make a better incest love story than Oreimo.

Besides Kuroneko I never really got the Oreimo appeal. It's a kid being a whiny bitch because someone broke the tsun knob and nothing ever really happens because the author is, like many of his kind, a coward.

They kiss, status quo is restored, she is less of a bitch. 12 volumes for that. Whoo-hoo.

>>141320902
What can i say to that? If you're okay with shit writing and shit characters and shit quality anime, then all the more shit to you.

>>141321208
Sure.

If she her goal was to grow up to be a crack whore. She's totally ready for it considering she's used up and loos.

>>141320855
The fact you have to keep it secred makes it harder to pull and is discouraging. There are definitly loads of rednecks that don't do it becuse of it

>And then, most of the times consensual incest happens between relatives who've grown up apart. What about them?
There's no issue then, I'm perfectly ok with it

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It's hot as hell in doujins, but I don't understand the rest of you when it comes to 3D.

>>141321270
>anime has to be realistic, otherwise it's shit
Ok.

>>141321270
Well the anon from b was a namefag named Shindol so...

>>141321136
What else do you want me to say? You, if you are him, obviously are set on believing that the second people can marry family, we'll have scores of people expressly setting out to create children for the sole purpose of having a relationship with them later, even though anybody could do that now as well.

>>141321153
Sometimes sex is just sex. No need to get your panties in a twist yelling about grooming and rape.

>>141321153
He said he did push her in that direction initially, hoping against all hope that it would eventually go places (which it did), but for most of the time was totally consensual.

>>141321350
>What else do you want me to say?
Tell him he's wrong and should feel bad about himself.

>>141321153
Man you prudes really do put sex on a pedestal

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>>141307547
>copyrighted material
>he faps to non-free material
wew lad, why??

>>141321259
>>141321259
>Besides Kuroneko
That explains a lot. "muh neko" will always be the primary reason for the butthurt and hate that the series gets.

>>141321303
Some people have had experiences with siblings that change the way they look at them, others have a really twisted view of it all, but everyone has their own circumstances.

Either way, the way that a romantic relationship between siblings is portrayed in anime is rare as fuck in real life, and more often than not it usually really isn't appealing. The stories of OHB and Redline Imouto are only so appealing because we don't really know much about them.

Imagine, it'd probably be harder for you to accept your best friend having sex with his sister/relative. It's a different story when someone you know personally is in question.

>>141321355
>He said he did push her in that direction initially
Oh wow, I have been arguing with this anon >>141321278 for a while and now I almost agree with him. It's fucking disgusting.

>>141321316
It doesn't have to be realistic it has to be believable. if it can't manage something as simple as that then its just shit tier and the author is an incompetent hack.

>>141321339
Ironic.

>>141321355
>>141321350
>>141321463
Consensual ''13'' Yes a because a 13 year old girl totally understands a ton about her body and is mentally developed enough to make her own decisions and be responsible for something like say a pregnancy... or other shit like UTI infections, or STDs or having a good moral compass going forwards. Its literally impossible to have sex with a 13 year old as a 20 year old without being a fucking pedo, i don't know whats wrong with your brain anon if you can't understand something as simple as that.

You guys don't know all sides of the story so stop acting like you're better than everyone else and morally superior

>>141321710
But we are morally superior and you're a dirty sister fucking degenerate that should be publicly lynched.

>>141321495
It's been sometime since I last saw or read it, but I remember her being, very much like the other main characters except the MC (who was just bland), unlikable. But as it went on she was the only one to be somewhat likable, mainly because of how she was around her siblings.

>>141321710
Sorry, but the sole fact a 20 year old man tried to mentally condition his 13 year old sister into fucking him is enough to make me feel a better person than him.

>>141321532
Why? What does that change? People do this shit all the time, how exactly do you think it goes down? You say hey, you want to fuck, and they fuck. Nobodies being tied down.

>>141321596
And I was saying that it can be the way you said, or that it was just sex, like he said, and that they turned out fine, nobody killed anyone, no mental breakdowns, no suicides, and they went on with things. Life's not that dramatic.

>>141321532
He said it started with "secret sharing." Well, first it started with them sharing a bed when they were children, and then her continuing to come sleep with him (prior to her puberty) after they had separate bedrooms. So imagine a 12 year old boy and a 5 year old girl, and then a 15 year old boy and an 8 year old girl. For example.

But when she hit puberty she was really curious about sex and everything. He'd been having "a secret little interest" in her for awhile by that point. So he encouraged her to tell him her related tweenager secrets and whatnot. He didn't really think it was going to go anywhere, but for like two years he just kept moving it in that direction. I can imagine it was easy for him to come across as "cool and experienced" and whatever to her, with the 20/13 age gap.

And then from there it went to "you show me yours and I'll show you mine." And then he said things started moving faster. And, like, I think 6 months after that, they started exchanging oral.

>>141321792
>20 year old man tried to mentally condition his 13 year old sister into fucking him

hot

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>>141318445
I don't see it working.

S1 took a decent approach to the situation. It just needed to cut volume 4 material (with the exception of the last part) and the filler. I'd like the see more of volume 3 material in its place though since that's incredibly important. Volume 5 can go fuck itself in general with the exception of the last few bits.

That pretty much leaves us with 8-9 episodes still. And plenty to cover.

The problem with oreimo is that it starts with two strangers that hate each other and it has to work its way up from there. Pretty much every other incest story has the siblings know each other or at least not hate each others guts.

>>141321596
>post-pubescent
>"pedo"

You literally do not know what you're talking about

>>141308459
It's not defective genes but rather recessive genes that is preserved. These can be good, bad or have no real effect. An example of a recessive gene is blue eyes. If both people involved are perfectly healthy without any recessive genes then the chance of defects in the child is exactly the same as if they weren't related. That is of course just a hypothetical as we all carry a ton of recessive genes and through incest those are magnified, both good and bad, but not by much for the first few generations. It took European royalty hundreds of years of inbreeding before things got really bad.

>>141312488
Well that is certainly interesting.
I'm all for Shuu X Kanade X Akane

>>141321814
Or, wait, I fucked up. The "grooming" (if we can really call it that in this case) started at like 11. And like I've mentioned, Anon said he didn't really even think it was going to go anywhere, but his D was just moving things into that direction on autopilot, even though his brain didn't think it was really going to happen.

13 was when the first started actually fucking. So the grooming was an 18/11 split. And IIRC he started having "perverted" thoughts sometime before he actually started acting on them (by encouraging her to confide in him i.e. become closer to him).

>>141321805
Nah, i am sure shes emotionally scarred. Its going to come back to bite her in the ass. Its never ''just sex'' anon casual sex can ruin a good friendship, what do you think its going to do to the brotherly and sisterly bond? When your own sister can't feel safe in her own home because she might be pushed down and forced to fuck, or even just implicitly ''asked'' how is she going to turn down her 20 year old brother as 13 year old? She has no choice, therefore it CANNOT be consent. Its rape that anon is a rapist and should spend the rest of his life in jail atoning for the horrible crimes he's committed.

>>141321935
Yes your right, hebephile is the technical term here. But lets pretend that semantics are whats important here because you have no argument you disgusting immoral degenerate, people like you made me sad that they've abolished using the electric chair. I'd sure like to give you a round or two on it.

>>141321805
>Nobodies being tied down
>what are power dynamics
>>141321814
I'm not prudish at all, but I think, there must be a line somewhere that must not be crossed.
A 13 year old girl is not mature enough to consent to sex with her 20 year old brother. The guy is a piece of shit for taking advantage of her.

>>141321994
Don't know if this story is true but it gave me a raging boner

>>141322106
Why arent there more anons as reasonable as you, reading some of the other responses in this thread makes me fucking sick.

>>141322106
Better her brother than some random guy.

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Gonna consolidate my posts related to this story:
>>141320977
>>141321355
>>141321814
>>141321994

Continuing:
So anon said that they started by giving each other oral. He would do her, and then rub his d against her puss, and she would always say "don't put it in." But then, when she was 13 one time, he noticed she was super wet before he'd even done anything. So he popped the tip in, and she didn't try to stop him. And he asked "does it hurt?", and she said it didn't. And then he went balls deep, and she hugged his back really tightly and started grinding. And he took that as his greenlight. (>mfw)

He said after the first time she was much more open to having sex in all kinds of positions. She never liked anal.

>>141322179
Exactly.

>>141322136
How about you go leave /a/ then cause most anons would be for it. I bet you're the type of faggot that didn't like Usagi Drop's ending.

>>141322248
Congrats for having a conversation with a fan fiction author? Most of these stories are fake..

>>141321278
>There are definitly loads of rednecks that don't do it becuse of it
Yeah I'm gonna call bullshit.
I seriously doubt making incest illegal will make things easier. The scenario you described is just too absurd, the abuser would have to wait for 18 years to start doing things "legally", and I'm pretty sure someone so fucked in the head would not wait for so long.

>>141322093
i gotta congratulate you on the effort lad, even i can make such good bait

>>141322248
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>141322093
>>141322106
Emotionally scarred, power dynamics, you're both assuming things. I'm not saying it can't be like that. I'm not doubting there are people who are forced to have sex, etc. But I'm also saying that sometimes people just want to have sex, because it fells good. And that's all there is to it. And that things turn out fine.

>>141322248
This honestly sounds like some sort of fan-fic shit.

>>141322265
>most anons would be for it
Stop projecting.

Oreimo is complete garbage. Anyone who genuinely thought it was a good romance is a really stupid idiot.

>>141322452
That's why I said most and not all, you idiot.

>>141322265
I certainly would have welcomed the development. And yes, Usagi Drop had a fine ending.

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>>141322492
Oreimo saved anime.

>>141322376
>>141322114
>Don't know if this story is true
You never know if it's really true or not, I guess. But OP lurked the thread, answering all kinds of questions from anons, and whatnot. And throughout that thread (because I lurked it until he left because I LOVE this shit), his story was consistent. And it wasn't like those shitty wincest fanfics you see, where it's overly descriptive, and sounds like a trash novel written by a horny faggot; to me it sounded like an Anon sharing real memories.

Anyway. That's my opinion on the subject, and that's the last I'm going to talk about whether or not it's real. Think what you will.

>>141322248
What else is there to say? Just gonna pop everything off the top of my head.

He would usually pull out and cum on her belly. Their mom almost caught them having sex one time; he said "we got too confidant."

Also, actually towards the earlier days of this relationship, he got her pregnant because he was "blasting away inside like an idiot." He said when she told him, he fell on his knees and felt like his life was over. But they went to planned parenthood or something and had the fetus chem nuked or whatever. Planned Parenthood will chemnuke your fetus, no questions asked. You don't even have to show ID. Anon was really grateful that PP exists.

>>141318032
It doesn't actually increase mutations from originating. All it does is raise the chance of ending up with homozygous recessives, and homozygous recessives tend to be deleterious mutations that result in malfuctioning or nonfunctioning proteins.
>>141319656
The eggs age and chromosomes have an increased risk of not pairing up or separating as well as they used to. Down's Syndrome is, for example, trisomy-21--having three copies of the 21st pair. There's also another version caused by a translocation of 21 onto another chromosome, but the most common form is the 21st chromosomes not pairing up like they should and two copies ending up in one gamete, whereas another gamete has 0. But only one would make it to maturation, the 2 or the 0.

What a shit thread. Please don't allow these idiots to start this shit in imouto threads.

>>141322506
>most
I still want to believe some people here are still not so detached from reality to actually think something like that is fine just because it fuels their incest fantasies.
And I'm all for incest myself.

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Just post more cute OTP pictures.

>>141322708
What with everyone encouraging anons to go for when blogshit pops up asking to fuck your sister. I wonder if they want them to destroy themselves or actually get the Imouto route.

>>141322572
Continuing:

She liked being on top. Anon said she would often insist on it: "Let me get on top."

One time they had sex in his car. He found that super hot, and came after like 5 seconds.

He posted pictures of his sister in her prime (because all this stuff happened 10 years ago). Her face was blacked out but she had a great PTP body. He said she was really beautiful, and that when they were in public guys would be pretty aggressive with staring. He said that, when they were with her friends, that he had to pretend to be defensive about it, but really he didn't care at all because of what was happening.

There was one of her peers/friends from highschool who commented one time, saying something like "She spends too much time with her brother." But that this one comment was really all the open suspicion that they ever got. Although Anon thinks his Mom suspected what was happening, but just never said anything. He said he wasn't about to bring it up with her now, to find out.

You're just writing erotic fiction at this point. It's pretty hot tho

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This is now an Oreimo/Incest Sad Panda thread, post your favorites if you d/a/re.

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>>141322945
http://exhentai.org/g/575878/c9f14f272d/

>>141322945
In terms of story, the one by Ties (takei ooki). Part 1 at least cause part 2 will never get translated.

>>141322824
Continuing:

She cut it off with him when she was 20 because she had a boyfriend, and she said it felt like cheating. I didn't question him about it, but anon clearly didn't want it to end.

Now Anon has a gf, and he said he's frustrated because he has a hard time climaxing; he said it takes forever, which had never been a problem before with his sister.

He said that, while they were having sex, she would never initiate or ask for it directly. He said that when she wanted sex, she would wear tight clothes, especially shorts. That was his cue to initiate.

And on that note, one thing that struck me about Anon's story was how indirect their sexual communication was; alot of it was communicated only through specific phrases (like "don't put it in" or "let me get on top"), or body language, like the clothing cues I just mentioned. Multiple times anon mentioned his being in a position where he was required to kind of guess or infer his sisters feelings about something, because they didn't just speak directly about certain things.

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>>141322945
Can someone post the one where Kyouseke's dad NTR's every girl that liked Kyouseke.

>>141322805
One thing is fucking your sister, when she's mature enough another is fucking your sister when she's underage or under the age of consent.

I gotta say that, regardless of the age of consent, incest should not be allowed until 18 to avoid exploitation.

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>>141322945
http://exhentai.org/g/584883/f159387923/


:)

>>141322945
>>141322981
>>141323117
>>141323185
Wow you're desperate. Here, take my (You)s and fuck off shitposter.

>>141323078
Continuing, pretty sure this is everything:

They never kissed while having sex, or ever.

It was interesting. Because Anon talked about how one time, during the period shortly after they started penetrative sex, that they were caught up in the heat of the moment, and started making out. But he said that afterwards, it felt really embarrassing to him, and that, the next time they were in that position (him on top, their faces close), she turned her head to the side so he couldn't kiss her; so it seemed like she had also found it uncomfortable. And that, from then on, whenever they were in that position, and he was pumping away, they would keep their faces apart, and, like, not really even look at each other.

I found it extremely strange that kissing became a kind of taboo for them, when both oral and actual sex were not.

Oh, also about oral: she didn't like to swallow, but she did it a couple times, if he asked. She agreed to do it as a favor. He said that's how she put it "Okay. I'll do it as a favor." He thinks she was just curious.

>>141323304
>stop shitposting in a shit thread
Somebody stop him!

>>141323354
Okay, actually there's a little more:

Because I got into incest through oreimo, I was almost flabbergasted that Anon could make it THAT far with his sister, but then never having any intention to move the relationship into a romantic direction. I pressed him about this, and asked him if, going back, and if he could do it again, would he try to make the relationship with his sister more than just purely impersonal sex? It seemed to be the first time he'd thought about this concept. He was pretty clearly still depressed that their relationship ended.

In retrospect, however. It does make sense that, if imouto incest sex really would occur in 3d, that it would much more likely happen like this (impersonal favor-exchange backscratching between siblings), than be all flowery and romantic like my cartoons.

His sister is married now, and has two kids "real proper," he said. (I'd asked him if his sister turned into a huge skank after everything).

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>>141307619

I wonder why genetic sexual attraction is never brought up in these threads. For anyone interested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction

In some stories I read online people claim they felt as if the other was part of themselves, because of the physical similarities.
That's kind of hot.

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>>141323756
>>141323354
>>141323078
>>141322824
>>141322572
>stop kissing
>he and his Imouto aborted his child
>didn't even end up together
>probably completely dead inside

This almost makes me want to cry. Real life is awful.

>>141324350
>probably completely dead inside

He said he thinks that this experience fucked him up. I mentioned the ED earlier. Anon also said he was still most attracted to young girls.

I made the suggestion that he consider seeing a therapist about this (while strongly advising him to phrase his condition as: "I fucked my sister 10 years ago and now have ED" and not "I fucked my sister 10 years ago and still want to fuck 13 year olds.")

Anon expressed interest in the suggestion. I think it was the first time, as well, that he had considered it.

>>141307547
There is no incest in oreimo

>>141324672
Stop pretending it is all about some 'anon'. The whole story is bout you.

you fucked your 13 yo sisterf